Every ,ÄúBob,Äùdamned time I say ,ÄúI hate,Äù this or that, I hear those ever-enraging words from new-agers and hippies.
,ÄúOh, you shouldn,Äôt hate. Be Positive.,Äù
,ÄúHate is a bad emotion.,Äù
,ÄúHate gets you nowhere in life.,Äù
WHAT? Hate gets me nowhere? What the fuck are you assholes talking about?
I really think that these Pink dipshits have never even FELT real Hate in their lives.
HATE GETS YOU EVERYWHERE IN LIFE!!!
Hate is one of the greatest motivators in the world, and these pansies would shun it?!
I say let them. If they don,Äôt want it, then fine, more for me.
Know what I think? I think they,Äôre scared of it. They see that Hate is powerful, that Hate is useful, nay, that Hate is FUN, and they think ,Äúanything this awesome can,Äôt be really as good as it seems.,Äù
Well, hippies, the joke,Äôs on you, because Hate is ALL that it,Äôs cracked up to be, and THEN SOME! Gallon for gallon, Hate is 30 times more efficient than Gasoline!
So, fuck you if you,Äôre scared of a little Hate. Or a lot of Hate. Because Hate makes the world go round (the scientists would tell you it was gravity that does that, but who ya gonna believe, some scientist, or a Doktor?)
I haven't ranted in a long ass time, so I'm a touch rusty. Advice would be apprecieated.
Oh, you shouldn,Äôt hate. Be Positive.
actually the trick is neither hate nor love.
- you can hate and be very productive (some people on this board are good examples of this), leverage the burning hate as a source of energy.
- but you can also hate and be a whining pessimistic misanthropic emo fuck about it, and sort of wallow in your own hate until it starts to smell because you really should refresh it more often (or rather, burn it).
- you can love and be positive, and be a smelly hippie that is completely chilled out about anything having some very convoluted ideas about how the world works and should work right up until one of them haters (either one) hits them in the face with a barstool.
- but you can also love and be positive and be smart about it, use the positivism as leverage to get energy, learn stuff, inspire other people, i dunno, positive people can also be very good at that sort of thing.
so, really, neither is the solution. hate is not the only thing that makes the world go round. neither is love. both of them aren't all they're cracked up to be, and yet they can be that, too.
and don't come and say "oh but if you're an emo fuck about it, that's not REAL hate, you're not doing it properly", because the positivist will come and say the same thing "if you're a dreamy hippie with his head in the clouds, that's not REAL love, you're not doing it properly".
leading to the conclusion:
it's neither hate nor love, you just have to do it properly
(the rest is left as an exercise to the reader)
little disclaimer: i'm aware that "positivism" is some sort of social/philosophical movement thing. i wasn't talking about that, i don't know what it is, but i used the word to generally relate to a person who has a positive outlook on life (in the most vaguest way of meaning as you see fit) as opposed to the one who uses hate to fuel himself
Emotions should be controlled.
Turn on, turn off. They all have their uses.
Most are subject to abuse, same as any other drug.
I think 000 is riding the correct motorcycle ITT
oh well , hate... ´s like hunger
you feel it sometimes and if you don´t give it what it wants it gets bigger
so it saves a lot of trouble just kicking that bastards face in right at the beginning
edit: ok ok it´s rather like noise ; can´t avoid and if you put some effort into it you can actually convert it into some kind of art...
Most human are addicted to one emotion or another.
They seem to think emotions are some sort of magical state of being that just happens to them.
They don't realise they are simply hooked on a neurological reaction to a chemical discharge.
This lack of awareness extends to them not realising they are constantly subconsciously manoeuvring themselves into situations which provide fuel for the specific emotion they crave.
It's fucking hilarious to watch, especially with emotions which are generally considered to be negative.
Depression is one of my favourites. Try telling someone they're doing it to themselves and watch the incredulous pained look appear on their face :lulz:
FTR: sometimes, people aren't doing it to themselves (chemical imbalances, etc)
Quote from: SillyCybin on June 22, 2007, 01:50:53 PM
Most human are addicted to one emotion or another.
They seem to think emotions are some sort of magical state of being that just happens to them.
They don't realise they are simply hooked on a neurological reaction to a chemical discharge.
This lack of awareness extends to them not realising they are constantly subconsciously manoeuvring themselves into situations which provide fuel for the specific emotion they crave.
It's fucking hilarious to watch, especially with emotions which are generally considered to be negative.
Depression is one of my favourites. Try telling someone they're doing it to themselves and watch the incredulous pained look appear on their face :lulz:
yeah, but if it's clinical there isn't anything they can do about it themselves. For everyone else, there is some truth to what you say. though, I chalk it up to people just wanting attention. Seriously, we never grow out of that one.
Quote from: SillyCybin on June 22, 2007, 01:50:53 PM
Most human are addicted to one emotion or another.
They seem to think emotions are some sort of magical state of being that just happens to them.
They don't realise they are simply hooked on a neurological reaction to a chemical discharge.
This lack of awareness extends to them not realising they are constantly subconsciously manoeuvring themselves into situations which provide fuel for the specific emotion they crave.
It's fucking hilarious to watch, especially with emotions which are generally considered to be negative.
Depression is one of my favourites. Try telling someone they're doing it to themselves and watch the incredulous pained look appear on their face :lulz:
I've found myself savouring that look on their faces more and more recently.
Then again a lot of people still refuse to see it that way. I generally get drunk with them and get as many laughs as I can before they attempt their next 'suicide'.
Dunno what it is around these here parts, but a lot of people are doing the "woe is me" shtick fairly regularly.
Quote from: SillyCybin on June 22, 2007, 01:50:53 PM
Most human are addicted to one emotion or another.
They seem to think emotions are some sort of magical state of being that just happens to them.
They don't realise they are simply hooked on a neurological reaction to a chemical discharge.
This lack of awareness extends to them not realising they are constantly subconsciously manoeuvring themselves into situations which provide fuel for the specific emotion they crave.
It's fucking hilarious to watch, especially with emotions which are generally considered to be negative.
Depression is one of my favourites. Try telling someone they're doing it to themselves and watch the incredulous pained look appear on their face :lulz:
I would say one exception would be negative emotions as a result of constant, chronic pain.
It's really hard to force yourself to be upbeat and happy when it feels like someone is taking a powerdrill to your achilles tendon non-stop for 96 hours.
LMNO
-Tendonitis ain't no damn fun.
Quote from: LMNO on June 22, 2007, 02:02:03 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on June 22, 2007, 01:50:53 PM
Most human are addicted to one emotion or another.
They seem to think emotions are some sort of magical state of being that just happens to them.
They don't realise they are simply hooked on a neurological reaction to a chemical discharge.
This lack of awareness extends to them not realising they are constantly subconsciously manoeuvring themselves into situations which provide fuel for the specific emotion they crave.
It's fucking hilarious to watch, especially with emotions which are generally considered to be negative.
Depression is one of my favourites. Try telling someone they're doing it to themselves and watch the incredulous pained look appear on their face :lulz:
I would say one exception would be negative emotions as a result of constant, chronic pain.
It's really hard to force yourself to be upbeat and happy when it feels like someone is taking a powerdrill to your achilles tendon non-stop for 96 hours.
LMNO
-Tendonitis ain't no damn fun.
I agree with that point LMNO - some situations will put you under extreme duress and it's a hard to keep smiling but when it comes to 'chemical imbalance' I'm afraid that in most cases I see that as chicken and egg. Emotions are caused by the emission of peptide chains, from the hypothalamus, interfacing with brain cells. Neural peptides will affect most of the cells in your body (it's how your brain tells the cells what to do) which in turn will create feedback loops and can lead to anything from organ failure to cancer.
Yes there are plenty other things that can cause these effects but the part that your own attitude plays is grossly understated.
Take my own example - I was diagnosed acute bipolar as a result of severe chemical imbalance. I was put on a course of tranquillisers and the famous lithium which I traded for hash as soon as the law no longer required me to go for regular blood tests.
After a year or so of getting my head straight the imbalance had magically fixed itself.
My opinion - the chemical imbalance was caused by my way of thinking, and not vice versa.
I'm not saying the meds wouldn't have worked but I feel I learned a lot more from doing it the hard way and I wasn't left with a nasty chemical dependency at the end of it.
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I do my absolute best to keep the fourth circuit lit and separate my "self" from my "emotions". The best tool I've found is the old Chaos Magic maxim, "Banish with Laughter".
Because it's an important skill to be able to remove yourself from your mire and laugh at what a tard you sound like. That should be in the Discordian Self Help manual - don't take your baggage so seriously.
eh, but it's a struggle sometimes.
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Quote from: shajinn on June 22, 2007, 01:42:36 PM
it´s rather like noise ; can´t avoid and if you put some effort into it you can actually convert it into some kind of art...
:mittens:
Hate's a motivational tool.
Nothing more.
Hate is no different from a stick, a bonus, promise of a fuck or fear of an ass-kicking.
You want to achieve something? Be coldly logical.
I've seen far too many "apostles of hate" who get so wrapped up in it that it effects their ability to act effectively. It becomes the goal, and not the tool.
These people are easily goaded into traps, to throw off balance, to decieve and confuse and trick. They use their hate ineffectively, and because of that, they lose. Whatever they were hoping to achieve.
Cain doing the Dance of Troof ITT
My former roommate used to be very wrapped up in these things. How her hate and "suffering" made her SO UNIQUE and would make her a better writer or something. But instead of actually doing anything productive, she just became wrapped up in trying to be hateful and suffering and things like that. Drove me up a fucking wall. Meanwhile, all she did was back herself into a corner where she was stuck in this pre-defined little box she had made for herself. In the 2+ years I've known her, I've never seen her really grow or change at all. All she did by getting hung up on these ideas is limit herself.
And it sucks, because when she can break out for just a second, she's a really smart, interesting person. But 98% of the time, she's a massive tool. :sad:
I also knew someone like that.
He was potentially the best sword fighter I ever met. He had reactions like I have never seen, was strong enough to keep his stamina going and flexible enough (mentally and physically) to pose a real challenge to many people.
But if you goaded him...well...
And he became worse over time. He'd come in with flurries of blows, very fast and powerful, well aimed, but ultimately wearing himself down.
In the end, it was a simple matter of weathering the storm, then going in to deliver the final cut.
Love an hate are not opposites.
To hate, or love, you need passion.
Passion for me is a motivator. I love it. I love getting worked up during a workout. I love getting riled up before a fight. Without those strong emotions I wouldn't have been able to do half the shit I've done.
I'm just saying this for those of you that think being emotionless is somehow good.
Quote from: hunter s.durden on June 22, 2007, 04:22:58 PM
Love an hate are not opposites.
To hate, or love, you need passion.
Passion for me is a motivator. I love it. I love getting worked up during a workout. I love getting riled up before a fight. Without those strong emotions I wouldn't have been able to do half the shit I've done.
I'm just saying this for those of you that think being emotionless is somehow good.
Along with Cain's Dance of Troof, we have Hunter with the Left Hook of Troof.
The trick is to control your emotions and not let them control you. Currently, I am stewing in my own rage and will snap at any moment. When I snap, it won't be pretty, and it won't be a good situation. I need to be better at controlling my emotions.
However, emotionless is really no better.
Passion is 180% the way to go. But fuck if it doesn't sound corny as hell! "I aspire to live every day as passionately as possible!" :lol:
It's hard to have one emotion without the other.
Look at those ineffectual hippies.
If they really loved the down trodden, they need to learn to hate the corporation, or government (whatever their deal is).
I come off as hateful, but it weren't for the love I feel, I wouldn't have the energy, the passion, to hate so strongly.
Wait...
Go on about this love you feel.
Hippies were nasty, back in the day.
You read the actual biographies of people who didn't do enough drugs to scramble their brain, and they said the attitude towards "the establishment" was really hostile.
Not that it mattered. In the end, the only people who ever managed a modicum of success were the Yippies, anyway.
Quote from: LMNO on June 22, 2007, 04:47:20 PM
Wait...
Go on about this love you feel.
I never wanted to sound that gay, but it was relevant to the discussion.
I killed my image...
Quote from: hunter s.durden on June 22, 2007, 04:22:58 PM
Love an hate are not opposites.
To hate, or love, you need passion.
check. so passion is one of the "properly" things i tried to point out.
(there's probably more than just passion)
but it's one of those in between things, the perpendicular axis, so to say.
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I'm just saying this for those of you that think being emotionless is somehow good.
you know that's not what Silly said, right?
he's not emotionless, he just likes staying in control
(we had that discussion before, i think, some (maybe me too) called him a sociopath ;-) )
I called Fuzzymike a sociopath.
Hey, he wanted to play the "I don't care about..." game, I just took him at his word and extended it to its logical conclusion.
There is a difference between not caring, and not letting something have more control over your actions than is necessary to achieve your goal.
i think we're talking about different discussions here, it was before fuzzymike started posting afaik. me, silly and LMNO in that thread (at least).
but never mind that, it's off topic thread driftwood. i think i said what i wanted about hate and love and passion.
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All mocking aside (for the time being), I do really agree with you, Hunter. I think what you've said is entirely correct.
Quote from: Darth Cupcake on June 22, 2007, 05:03:20 PM
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:lulz:
so true
000 - It was a blanket statement for anyone that feels, or will feel, that way.
I didn't say "Eat it, Silly."
This place sucks. Evertime I bitch and moan about the news, or children, or whatever pissed me off, you're just gunna say "Oh, he looks mad, but he's dripping with the lurve."
Forum ruint.
Quote from: hunter s.durden on June 22, 2007, 05:07:54 PM
000 - It was a blanket statement for anyone that feels, or will feel, that way.
I didn't say "Eat it, Silly."
This place sucks
Ahh soo cute
look he's mad, but dripping with the lurve
Quote from: hunter s.durden on June 22, 2007, 05:07:54 PM
000 - It was a blanket statement for anyone that feels, or will feel, that way.
I didn't say "Eat it, Silly."
This place sucks. Evertime I bitch and moan about the news, or children, or whatever pissed me off, you're just gunna say "Oh, he looks mad, but he's dripping with the lurve."
Forum ruint.
I do not feel sorry for you, Hunter. I am a diminutive female who gets carded constantly because I look about 16. When I get angry, people say it's cute. When I try to tell someone I am pissed off, they go "Whatever, you are too cute and sweet to be pissed off!"
At least you can LOOK mad. :p
that's just his avatar.
hunter is actually a 14 year-old calendar boy.
Women can be scarier, because I am much more reluctant to hit a woman.
Even with the scariest looking dude I think, "He may beat my ass, but I'm taking home a body part."
Hit the gym, cut your hair, and take a straight razor to your face.
Scars are badass.
BTW- I'm 15 now.
Quote from: Darth Cupcake on June 22, 2007, 05:13:21 PM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on June 22, 2007, 05:07:54 PM
000 - It was a blanket statement for anyone that feels, or will feel, that way.
I didn't say "Eat it, Silly."
This place sucks. Evertime I bitch and moan about the news, or children, or whatever pissed me off, you're just gunna say "Oh, he looks mad, but he's dripping with the lurve."
Forum ruint.
I do not feel sorry for you, Hunter. I am a diminutive female who gets carded constantly because I look about 16. When I get angry, people say it's cute. When I try to tell someone I am pissed off, they go "Whatever, you are too cute and sweet to be pissed off!"
At least you can LOOK mad. :p
Knee 'em in the nads.
Then we'll see how "cute" they think you are.
Quote from: Doktor_Fistula on June 22, 2007, 07:47:40 AM
Every ,ÄúBob,Äùdamned time I say ,ÄúI hate,Äù this or that, I hear those ever-enraging words from new-agers and hippies.
,ÄúOh, you shouldn,Äôt hate. Be Positive.,Äù
,ÄúHate is a bad emotion.,Äù
,ÄúHate gets you nowhere in life.,Äù
WHAT? Hate gets me nowhere? What the fuck are you assholes talking about?
I really think that these Pink dipshits have never even FELT real Hate in their lives.
HATE GETS YOU EVERYWHERE IN LIFE!!!
Hate is one of the greatest motivators in the world, and these pansies would shun it?!
I say let them. If they don,Äôt want it, then fine, more for me.
Know what I think? I think they,Äôre scared of it. They see that Hate is powerful, that Hate is useful, nay, that Hate is FUN, and they think ,Äúanything this awesome can,Äôt be really as good as it seems.,Äù
Well, hippies, the joke,Äôs on you, because Hate is ALL that it,Äôs cracked up to be, and THEN SOME! Gallon for gallon, Hate is 30 times more efficient than Gasoline!
So, fuck you if you,Äôre scared of a little Hate. Or a lot of Hate. Because Hate makes the world go round (the scientists would tell you it was gravity that does that, but who ya gonna believe, some scientist, or a Doktor?)
I haven't ranted in a long ass time, so I'm a touch rusty. Advice would be apprecieated.
:mittens:
To clarify, I want trying to say 'let hate rule you' or 'only hate' or any such thing, simply that hatred is a very powerful emotion, and just like any other powerful emotion it has its benefits and its downsides. I just think it's idiocy to say "dont hate something," as if hatred is going to ruin your life.
A lot of good shit has been posted in this thread, most of which I would agree with.
to clarify more, i was just elaborating your point, not disagreeing with it in principle.
(though personally right now these times i could use a little less hate and a bit more positive, but that's mostly because when i talk/rant/hate about the "fucking motherfuckers who took 7 months", my neck and stomach tenses and my fingers start twitching [yeah i found out what is causing it, stress] and it doesn't seem to go away)
Emotions are simply gears your brain/body can go into.
You either drive a stick or an automatic.
All the cool kids drive stick.
Both IRL and in this metaphor.
Quote from: SillyCybin on June 25, 2007, 10:48:44 AM
Emotions are simply gears your brain/body can go into.
You either drive a stick or an automatic.
pardon, but that was
begging to be dropped into the Meme Bomb thread.