Its time to do something.
Even if its wrong. *
We sit here and complain. We bitch about society, the government, the piles of bull-shit dumped on us daily.
"But what do we do?" You say. "How can we stop this downward-spiral?"
Well, I sure as hell don't know. But that doesn't mean we should just take our seats and be spectators like good little boys and girls. It doesn't mean we should ignore what is going on and just worry about ourselves.
Inaction will result in worse societies, worse governments, and much larger piles of shit covering up the truths.
We may complain about these things now, but what happens when you don't have time to complain? What happens when you aren't allowed to complain? What happens when you no longer know what to complain about???
This is what THEYtm want. They want everything so ordered and predictable that they don't have to worry anymore. So that they can all sleep soundly.
They don't want any breakthoughs or major shifts putting them out of business. They don't even want to see the slightest ripple in the water. They want the boat so steady their house-of-cards wont fall over. But expect poison from standing water my friends.
They want to know just exactly how you will behave, so that they can easily profit. And THEY are doing it. THEY are winning the game and starting to run away with it. We need to put a stop to their momentum and put a few points on the board.
We may not have a chance in hell, but we can at least be a pain in their asses. Then again, there have probably been greater comebacks in history. Get pumped up Bob-dammit.
And do something.
Even if its wrong.
*(Just don't get caught. And if it turns out to be wrong, we don't know you.)
Finding out who "THEY" are would be a start.
Once people discover who they are, we could give them crabs. I'd like to see anyone run the NWO with an itchy groin.
Also, who's the target audience here?
Us?
Most of us are out there working hard, we just know how so STFU.
you cannot stop the downward spiral of which you speak.
the best you can hope for is to force yourself to live for another 1,000 years or so and then claim credit when the tyrants beaurocrats all die of natural causes.
in the meantime, go break laws that don't protect anyone, and don't get arrested (or do, sometimes you can mindfuck from jail too).
Quote from: BumWurst on July 13, 2007, 01:33:11 PM
Finding out who "THEY" are would be a start.
Once people discover who they are, we could give them crabs. I'd like to see anyone run the NWO with an itchy groin.
I think there is a thread about that in the BIP forum.
The audience isn't this board. It is just people in general that see the
fucked-up-ness but don't know who to blame or what actions to take.
And yes, IMO "THEY" don't even know who "THEY" are. Or they wouldn't be doing it. I like the headless-monster theory. Nobodies in charge trying to impose hell on earth. It is just those filled with greed, bigotry, fear of change, fear of differences.
And I guess THEY must have been good for survival at some point because they are still around and seem to be in charge of most things. But the time has come to purge this societal-mutation for it has outlived its usefullness.
Like JFK (I think it was him) said, "we must put an end to war or war will put an end to us." Not that war is the only threat they pose.
Everybody is somebodys "they."
I guess
Quote from: hunter s.durden on July 13, 2007, 02:25:45 PM
Everybody is somebodys "they."
Yeah...
It's pointless to rail against the world when one can only see a tiny part of it, and in an entirely subjective way. I'm not sure that I believe that the cruelty, the unfairness, is even that coherent - just the cumulative effect of each man feathering his own nest. It's probable that there's no enemy to fight.
Well, the enemy to fight is the evil powers that be. Whether they be personal or impersonal.
One of the first ones to cast off is that of oblivion. Raising awareness, however the fuck you do that, will be a step in the right direction.
We should start a denomination of Christianity, just to....well, for many reasons. If we haven't already. :tinfoilhat:
More likeable than the Mormons, less annoying than the Jehovah's Witnesses, and able to partake in DMT consumption an a weekly basis!!!
Just bring back one of the Gnoctic sects.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on July 13, 2007, 02:51:59 PM
One of the first ones to cast off is that of oblivion. Raising awareness, however the fuck you do that, will be a step in the right direction.
Yes.
Even if they don't necessarily work, it's still satisfying. At least for me. I get a dose of lulz any time I do my stuff, and it keeps me buoyed and feeling good (and sometimes smugly superior, which is extra win!). That's worth something. It's worth even more if I can get the same reaction out of a couple other people, but I'm not losing sleep over it.
Quote from: rzasthole on July 13, 2007, 02:49:48 PM
Well, the enemy to fight is the evil powers that be. Whether they be personal or impersonal.
The Enlightenment thinkers believed that the greatest enemy was unreason, but they never took their propositions to their logical conclusion, because they were - for the most part - theists, having a literal belief in an Angry Sky-Daddy.
I've got some sympathy with the idea that the "evil powers," if they truly exist, are the vestiges of superstitious thought that still cloud judgement, fill people with worthless guilt, afflict the imagination and hamper creativity. People should free their own minds before attempting to free others, particularly since attempts to free those who do not believe themselves to be slaves, or are content in their slavery to their own preconceptions and neuroses, will not free anyone but only worsen the situation...
The government is composed of shortsighted, lying arseholes, that much is true, but the best you can do is set a fucking brilliant example. :sad:
It would be so much fun to break out the pitchforks and flaming torches though... :D
Quote from: rzasthole on July 13, 2007, 02:22:47 PM
And yes, IMO "THEY" don't even know who "THEY" are. Or they wouldn't be doing it. I like the headless-monster theory. Nobodies in charge trying to impose hell on earth. It is just those filled with greed, bigotry, fear of change, fear of differences.
this = correct
even though there are probably "some" who know that "they" are "them", but that's just because the real clever ruthless sociopaths tend to float to the top.
but mostly "they" are faceless.
so we call "it" the Machine. (sort of)
Do something seems to be good advice. However, I'm not sure that action will result in a Better World (mostly cause I think that happens in the eye of the beholder... no not the D&D kind).
However, we can fix our own damned lives and that seems to be a helluva lot better than what most people are doing at this point.
Quote from: Ratatosk on July 13, 2007, 06:28:58 PM
Do something seems to be good advice. However, I'm not sure that action will result in a Better World (mostly cause I think that happens in the eye of the beholder... no not the D&D kind).
However, we can fix our own damned lives and that seems to be a helluva lot better than what most people are doing at this point.
Yes, and we should. But then what? I think many people start trying to "fix" their lives but then get caught up in that (because it could always get better, right?) and lose sight of their ability and desire to help fix other peoples lives.
(I do realize that many if not most don't want our help, (or our kind of help) but that is why we must help them without them even knowing it. To quote Futurama's 'God', "When you do things right, people wont be sure you have done anything at all.") <---Is this why the Illu minati are so secret? Are they those that are fighting 'THEM'? Getting of topic.
And you say better is in the eye of the beholder and this seems to hold true for many or most ideas of a better world. But we
can all agree on some things. Nobody wants bombs falling around them, (even if they want to drop them elswhere.) Nobody wants to fight in the street over a piece of meat. Nobody wants to be hated just for the color of their skin or their religious upbringing (even if they do it themselves). So yes, the action I propose is to set a "brilliant fucking example," and to shout at the top of our minds, what we as individuals see as right. Even if we are wrong. Just don't stick out, don't get caught.
Because, "(Give) the power to the have-nots, then (come) the shots." -Zach De La Rocha
Quote from: rzasthole on July 13, 2007, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on July 13, 2007, 06:28:58 PM
Do something seems to be good advice. However, I'm not sure that action will result in a Better World (mostly cause I think that happens in the eye of the beholder... no not the D&D kind).
However, we can fix our own damned lives and that seems to be a helluva lot better than what most people are doing at this point.
Yes, and we should. But then what? I think many people start trying to "fix" their lives but then get caught up in that (because it could always get better, right?) and lose sight of their ability and desire to help fix other peoples lives.
(I do realize that many if not most don't want our help, (or our kind of help) but that is why we must help them without them even knowing it. To quote Futurama's 'God', "When you do things right, people wont be sure you have done anything at all.") <---Is this why the Illu minati are so secret? Are they those that are fighting 'THEM'? Getting of topic.
And you say better is in the eye of the beholder and this seems to hold true for many or most ideas of a better world. But we can all agree on some things. Nobody wants bombs falling around them, (even if they want to drop them elswhere.) Nobody wants to fight in the street over a piece of meat. Nobody wants to be hated just for the color of their skin or their religious upbringing (even if they do it themselves). So yes, the action I propose is to set a "brilliant fucking example," and to shout at the top of our minds, what we as individuals see as right. Even if we are wrong. Just don't stick out, don't get caught.
Because, "(Give) the power to the have-nots, then (come) the shots." -Zach De La Rocha
I've given a lot of thought to this and I agree with what you're saying (in a general sense). In fact, I have a theory about the Illuminati. Here goes:
Most human beings are "programmed" from birth by their genetics. They are then further programmed by their parental figures, their surroundings, their tribe and their own experiences. I think Leary's circuit I-IV model might be a good description of this process. Your actions in this world, then are based on your current experiences as manipulated by genetic programming, your tribal imprints and your past experiences. Most people seem to respond through this system automatically. Occasionally, something will change their programming, either through a system shock (such as brainwashing, near death experience), adoption of a new tribe (like converting from X religion to Jehovah's Wittness), or exposure to new memes.
I think that perhaps Illumination may be the direct 'metaprogramming'/'intentional reporgramming' of the human system of consciousness (particularly as relates to perception). This can be done through lots of hard work/yoga/tantra/meditation/etc, or it may be more easily accomplished with the right set, setting and dosage of various psychedelics.
(Now the bit that ties back in with what you were saying),
In the 60's there was easy access to drugs, books on the occult/tantra/etc. and access to huge leaps in understanding human behavior and the potency of perception as it relates to the human experience. One can begin to piece together the possibility that some cadre', cabal, society, or gang of misfits may have put some puzzle pieces together. Further, it might be that they decided (once they had become Illuminated Ones) that the world would be better off with more Illumination. Memetic breadcrumbs could be spread throughout the counter-culture and people who tended to connect with those breadcrumbs would be drawn toward information, which, if put together could help someone figure out 'Illumination'. Since perception is different for everyone, then so to would Illumination.
This may have been the problem with groups that had discovered the concept in the past... they tried to maintain a rigid hierarchy where only one path to Illumination existed. Perhaps because they didn't fully understand the impact of genetics, programming etc.
If this cabal of Illuminati wished for many people to find Illumination, they could not provide a path, but rather would try to keep people from creating a One True view of their revelation.
This might be a way in which some people could 'fix' others through action. Of course, I have no idea what might have happened if such a concept were real... in some sense. :fnord:
QuoteIf this cabal of Illuminati wished for many people to find Illumination, they could not provide a path, but rather would try to keep people from creating a One True view of their revelation.
More tentacles? Leading to the to Bobhead? lol
Quote from: rzasthole on July 13, 2007, 11:28:21 PM
QuoteIf this cabal of Illuminati wished for many people to find Illumination, they could not provide a path, but rather would try to keep people from creating a One True view of their revelation.
More tentacles? Leading to the to Bobhead? lol
Of course not. Don't be silly!
:lulz:
We could all try to pull a Project Mayhem and blow shit up. It might not work, but we would have blown stuff up.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/855000/images/_856866_building_burn150.jpg)
Project Mayhem was retarded. So is blowing shit up for any other reason than it is funny and pretty to watch.
As it happens, I have done quite a bit. But then again, I threw out a bunch of Discordian dogma about organization, or indeed turning a buck while doing it, and suddenly I've found disruption to be a quite profitable business.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cacophony_Society
They sound pretty cool.
Quote from: Cain on July 14, 2007, 02:30:15 PM
Project Mayhem was retarded. So is blowing shit up for any other reason than it is funny and pretty to watch.
As it happens, I have done quite a bit. But then again, I threw out a bunch of Discordian dogma about organization, or indeed turning a buck while doing it, and suddenly I've found disruption to be a quite profitable business.
I recently had the notion to craft a memetic viral strain to tun a given group into a self-corrupting, yet self-organizing system mimicking laws of self-organizing dynamic systems in chaotic physics. It would ultimately be for the purpose of abusing the laws and applications of symbolic power (like money) as a grand cultural/economic MF.
please, i'd be interested to hear how you are planning to go about "crafting" this memetic viral strain?
Quote from: Felix on July 15, 2007, 08:22:12 AM
Quote from: Cain on July 14, 2007, 02:30:15 PM
Project Mayhem was retarded. So is blowing shit up for any other reason than it is funny and pretty to watch.
As it happens, I have done quite a bit. But then again, I threw out a bunch of Discordian dogma about organization, or indeed turning a buck while doing it, and suddenly I've found disruption to be a quite profitable business.
I recently had the notion to craft a memetic viral strain to tun a given group into a self-corrupting, yet self-organizing system mimicking laws of self-organizing dynamic systems in chaotic physics. It would ultimately be for the purpose of abusing the laws and applications of symbolic power (like money) as a grand cultural/economic MF.
Me and Silly briefly talked about a self-destructive "poison meme" that would do something similar. It would do the biological equivalent of clearing the hard drive of unwanted spyware, before imploding itself.
But we have no clue as how to fit so much information into an easily marketable product.
What Cain is talking about is the philosopers stone of memes
Anyone who takes mindfucking even half-seriously should be aspiring to this. It's the Lollercaust - the joke that makes everyone die laughing
the brown noise of :lulz: