THERE IS NO GRAND TRANS-GENERATIONAL CONSPIRACY AFOOT.
Stop blaming:
-The Gays
-The GOP
-The Democrats
-The JOOOS
-The Muslims
-The Government
There is no concerted effort to make people stupid.
There just isn't much being done to make them smart.
PEOPLE ARE ALREADY IDIOTS. They do not need any help.
The government does not control Hollywood. There are too many major motion pictures coming out with obvious anti-government-policy messages. You could say the government doesn't care or that people are using these movies so they can "beat the government" vicariously through these movies while leaving the real world alone. But no self-respecting totalitarian regime would allow such outright dissent, much less a conscious conspiracy movement.
As much as I like to blame shit on people who don't deserve it, I have to face the facts.
There is no conspiracy, and the only evil genius at work in the world today are the heaving masses of seven billion half-retarded monkeys with too many shiny doomsday buttons at their fingertips.
:mittens:
At what point do the conspiracy theories become more complicated than the society these conspiracies are supposed to control?
Quote from: vexati0n on October 18, 2007, 06:01:04 AM
There just isn't much being done to make them smart.
This is beautiful.
I discussed this topic a couple of days ago with a friend who meant that They have learned new tricks, allowing anyone to take a shot at they because they can afford it. He said every reaction could be controlled and polled and thought damage control would be a more viable means of control rather the good ol' censorship or blatant no.
Cube [movie] said it:
there is no conspiracy.
nobody is in charge.
big brother is not watching you.
it's a headless blunder
operating under the illusion
of a masterplan.
[edit for Idem notifying me that the movie is called "Cube", not "the Cube"]
Quote from: triple zero on October 18, 2007, 01:31:56 PM
the Cube [movie] said it:
there is no conspiracy.
nobody is in charge.
big brother is not watching you.
it's a headless blunder
operating under the illusion
of a masterplan.
I fucking love that movie
My friends would ask "What was the cube for?"
I'd shake my head and say "They already explained... the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing, and it was made and it had to be used"
Says a lot about a lot.
Nice.. i like it.. the Cube quote too..
But if there is no conspiracy, how do you explain the teletubbies?
Quote from: Agrippa on October 18, 2007, 08:13:16 PM
Nice.. i like it.. the Cube quote too..
But if there is no conspiracy, how do you explain the teletubbies?
hovering bacon
Quote from: vexati0n on October 18, 2007, 06:01:04 AM
THERE IS NO GRAND TRANS-GENERATIONAL CONSPIRACY AFOOT.
Stop blaming:
-The Gays
-The GOP
-The Democrats
-The JOOOS
-The Muslims
-The Government
There is no concerted effort to make people stupid.
There just isn't much being done to make them smart.
PEOPLE ARE ALREADY IDIOTS. They do not need any help.
The government does not control Hollywood. There are too many major motion pictures coming out with obvious anti-government-policy messages. You could say the government doesn't care or that people are using these movies so they can "beat the government" vicariously through these movies while leaving the real world alone. But no self-respecting totalitarian regime would allow such outright dissent, much less a conscious conspiracy movement.
As much as I like to blame shit on people who don't deserve it, I have to face the facts.
There is no conspiracy, and the only evil genius at work in the world today are the heaving masses of seven billion half-retarded monkeys with too many shiny doomsday buttons at their fingertips.
Sucker.
Which is worse:
1) There is no conspiracy but you are constantly seeking whether there is one.
2) There is a conspiracy, and you decided to close yourself to that idea.
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on October 19, 2007, 06:23:12 AM
Which is worse:
1) There is no conspiracy but you are constantly seeking whether there is one.
2) There is a conspiracy, and you decided to close yourself to that idea.
3) There is no conspiracy, and you decided to close yourself to that idea.
Fucking BORING.
Quote from: Cainad on October 19, 2007, 06:29:37 AM
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on October 19, 2007, 06:23:12 AM
Which is worse:
1) There is no conspiracy but you are constantly seeking whether there is one.
2) There is a conspiracy, and you decided to close yourself to that idea.
3) There is no conspiracy, and you decided to close yourself to that idea.
Fucking BORING.
4) There is no conspiracy, so you make one.
People tend to forget their freedoms. They become complacent in their lives. They allow the government to dictate to them, when in reality, it was intended for us to dictate to them. Fucking vote. That is the one thing that we have. Then be vocal to those that were elected to represent you even if your person doesn't win. I really don't give a shit if you vote for people that have no chance of winning, but by voting it allows you the opportunity to complain.
If you are too young to vote, this isn't meant for you. If you are old enough and don't vote, STFU
Vex,
Sorry for ranting in your thread.
ETA: The conspiracy does exist, because the people have allowed it to be created by their own stupidity.
Quote from: rzasthole on October 19, 2007, 08:41:51 AM
Quote from: Cainad on October 19, 2007, 06:29:37 AM
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on October 19, 2007, 06:23:12 AM
Which is worse:
1) There is no conspiracy but you are constantly seeking whether there is one.
2) There is a conspiracy, and you decided to close yourself to that idea.
3) There is no conspiracy, and you decided to close yourself to that idea.
Fucking BORING.
4) There is no conspiracy, so you make one.
5) The conspiracy is so big, it doesn't matter whether you believe in it or not.
6) The only conspiracy is the conspiracy we are all in on, against ourselves.
7) elements of all of the above are true.
8) Or maybe you're just a dickhead.
9) FUCK YOU MY MOTHER GOT KILLED BY A CONSPIRACY
I think RAW made a good point when he argued that conspiracies do exist. He pointed out examples of real conspiracies that have been uncovered. However, he argued, since its humans who are involved in the conspiracy, it's doomed to fail or be discovered eventually. Thus, no One World Conspiracy by all of The Important People that has lasted for centuries... just lots of conspiracies by lots of groups that usually exist for awhile then die/disappear/get discovered.
But then, maybe he was part of the conspiracy....
you guys are FREAKING ME OUT
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Quote from: DarkStar on October 19, 2007, 08:42:30 AM
People tend to forget their freedoms. They become complacent in their lives. They allow the government to dictate to them, when in reality, it was intended for us to dictate to them. Fucking vote. That is the one thing that we have. Then be vocal to those that were elected to represent you even if your person doesn't win. I really don't give a shit if you vote for people that have no chance of winning, but by voting it allows you the opportunity to complain.
If you are too young to vote, this isn't meant for you. If you are old enough and don't vote, STFU
Vex,
Sorry for ranting in your thread.
ETA: The conspiracy does exist, because the people have allowed it to be created by their own stupidity.
Most people would say "a 'right' to complain". By your choice of words, are you saying that voting against
is complaining? Well, what if your vote doesn't matter? You say, vote for someone with no chance of winning... but why? I will not vote, and still complain, because I can always say I voted if someone wants to go there. Who says I have no opportunity to complain? I didn't vote in the last two elections, because it wouldn't have mattered anyway; that never stopped me. I complain all the time.
If the polls showed better than 40%-60% in my state before voting time I probably would vote. I will however try to persuade and educate people to vote for my gal.
Quote from: rzasthole on October 19, 2007, 07:13:32 PM
Quote from: DarkStar on October 19, 2007, 08:42:30 AM
People tend to forget their freedoms. They become complacent in their lives. They allow the government to dictate to them, when in reality, it was intended for us to dictate to them. Fucking vote. That is the one thing that we have. Then be vocal to those that were elected to represent you even if your person doesn't win. I really don't give a shit if you vote for people that have no chance of winning, but by voting it allows you the opportunity to complain.
If you are too young to vote, this isn't meant for you. If you are old enough and don't vote, STFU
Vex,
Sorry for ranting in your thread.
ETA: The conspiracy does exist, because the people have allowed it to be created by their own stupidity.
Most people would say "a 'right' to complain". By your choice of words, are you saying that voting against is complaining? Well, what if your vote doesn't matter? You say, vote for someone with no chance of winning... but why? I will not vote, and still complain, because I can always say I voted if someone wants to go there. Who says I have no opportunity to complain? I didn't vote in the last two elections, because it wouldn't have mattered anyway; that never stopped me. I complain all the time.
If the polls showed better than 40%-60% in my state before voting time I probably would vote. I will however try to persuade and educate people to vote for my gal.
I didn't intend to say voting against is complaining. Of course you can always complain. It is your right. But, if/when you get into a discussion about politics and you are complaining about a particular president with someone who did vote, knowing you didn't, leaves you arguement sort of mute.
Of course everyone that wants to complain can. It is one of our freedoms, freedom of speech. Go for it.
Quoteleaves you argument sort of mute.
only because you have been conditioned to think so.
Quote from: rzasthole on October 20, 2007, 02:53:32 PM
Quoteleaves you argument sort of mute.
only because you have been conditioned to think so.
Agreed. To think that choosing between the Blue Sellout and the Red Sellout is an actual choice seems more a product of good civics classes, rather than good government/politics ;-)
I do vote, when I think it matters. For example, in 2004 I voted everything BUT republican because I feared another 2 years with the Republicans in full control. I didn't think for a second that the idiots I was voting for would represent my views... only that they'd do their best to keep Bush from doing anything (which at this point seems like a good idea to me). As for my political views, no one in the US represents them, because the popular view of government has far exceeded anything that our Constitution was designed to deal with. Show me a party that thinks it's time to rewrite to Constitution and I may be interested (Hell, our 'founding fathers' expected the damn thing to be scrapped and rewritten regularly).
So if I don't vote, its because my views aren't represented. If I do vote, its usually because I'm registering a strong position AGAINST some idiot incumbent.
It's too bad more people weren't aware of the class that RAW ran before he died: "Non-Euclidean Politics, A View From Neither Left or Right". It's really something to see how many 'other' options are out there.