I am so tired of the excuses the world is giving people today for what is really their own stupid bullshit. Adults are obese because fast food restaurants sell fattening food. Children are obese because of video games. Why are they no longer just plain fat and they sit on their asses too much. Instead of putting down that double quarter pounder and super size fries and walking around the block a time or two, they blame advertising and the world. Parents don't make their kids go outside to play, they sit on their ass, eat cheetos and play the fucking game.
People are no longer retarded, they are challenged or special or we have come up with a myriad of names for their various diseases. Children are no longer mouthy little shits who need a good swat on the ass; they have ODD (oppositional defiance disorder). They tried to tell me my son had this, after being grounded for almost a year and getting a few harsh lessons in how to respect ones elders, he was miraculously cured.
Now we have everyone saying that the economy and the "bad" neighborhoods and the gangs are turning our youth into thugs or killers or whatever word they decide to use. My question is this, WHY THE FUCK are these kids out on the fucking street at 2 in the morning with guns to begin with? Where are these kid's parents? Why didn't they take some parental control?
This generation has done nothing but give excuses for things which used to be unacceptable. Things for which every effort was made to change them. Now we don't make people change, we just give them a name for whatever fuck up thing they have ALLOWED themselves to become. I'm fat, it's my fault. I know that krispy kremes make me fat, I still ate them. So instead of blaming anyone but myself, I stopped eating all the bullshit and lost a hundred pounds. Without Weight Watchers or Jenny Craig or any other bullshit. It's called self control.
I live in the crappiest neighborhood in the inner city of St. Louis. My kid is not out on the streets at 2 am with a gun, because I took control of that as well.
It's time we started making people take responsibility for their own fuck ups and quit giving them excuses or naming their issue and making it a disease, disorder or issue!
Until we do, when we wonder why the world is in such a shit fuck state, give it a week, they'll come up with a name for that!
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Brilliant! :mittens:
[AOL] x infinity!
:mittens: TRUF!
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There is a punchline too if want a sneak peek at what it'll be like in a couple of generations.
All those complexly disorded fucktards are breeding, right now, as we speak. :evil:
Idiocracy.
BING! :lulz:
On the plus side the decline of civilisation means plenty meat for the carnivores.
As soon as the mean IQ drops to sub-bovine, cannibalism becomes the ethical dietary choice :evil:
Quote from: SillyCybin on June 12, 2008, 11:22:53 PM
BING! :lulz:
On the plus side the decline of civilisation means plenty meat for the carnivores.
As soon as the mean IQ drops to sub-bovine, cannibalism becomes the ethical dietary choice :evil:
OM NOM FUCKING NOM!
Quote from: Cainad on June 13, 2008, 05:00:42 AM
Quote from: SillyCybin on June 12, 2008, 11:22:53 PM
BING! :lulz:
On the plus side the decline of civilisation means plenty meat for the carnivores.
As soon as the mean IQ drops to sub-bovine, cannibalism becomes the ethical dietary choice :evil:
OM NOM FUCKING NOM!
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My first thought was BBQ sauce would be necessary!
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:mittens: added to the pile. Well said!
QuoteWHY THE FUCK are these kids out on the fucking street at 2 in the morning with guns to begin with? Where are these kid's parents? Why didn't they take some parental control?
They were busy being afraid their kid would shoot them. :lulz:
This reads like a cross between a Daily Mail editorial and some Horatio Alger bullshit.
I am going to, for a moment, interrupt the stream of mittens to say only this:
I get wary when we begin to celebrate too much "BACK IN MY DAY....!" and "BY JOVE WE HAD RULES! WE HAD ORDER! WE HAD DISCIPLINE!"
It is a slippery slope that is easy to get started on. "Why, if those whippersnappers had RULES and DISCIPLINE...!" And then who else needs rules and discipline? Etc.
Not to say that I don't agree that there is some real fuckedupness in some of the behavior of kids/society/lack of personal responsibility. But I get jumpy about these things sometimes.
Anyways, it is no longer between the hours of 9-5 on Monday through Friday, so I don't think I'm even supposed to be here anymore. :p
While I'm leaving my mittens up, I have to take D-Cup's side on this.
I know there's a pretty strong vibe among people here that modern psychiatry has gone overboard and Big Pharma uses modern beliefs about mental disorders to make money, and I think there are definitely cases where this line of thought is justified.
However, can we agree that lumping everyone with a mental problem into the categories of "Insane" and "Retarded" is a bad idea, as is confinement in Loony Bins and whippings to "straighten 'em out"? Kthx.
Quote from: Cainad on June 14, 2008, 01:44:20 AM
However, can we agree that lumping everyone with a mental problem into the categories of "Insane" and "Retarded" is a bad idea, as is confinement in Loony Bins and whippings to "straighten 'em out"? Kthx.
Actually, I'd just add one more catagory, and call it a day.
Mental problems can also include "Well adjusted people in a terminally ill-adjusted world."
Quote from: Cainad on June 14, 2008, 01:44:20 AM
While I'm leaving my mittens up, I have to take D-Cup's side on this.
I know there's a pretty strong vibe among people here that modern psychiatry has gone overboard and Big Pharma uses modern beliefs about mental disorders to make money, and I think there are definitely cases where this line of thought is justified.
However, can we agree that lumping everyone with a mental problem into the categories of "Insane" and "Retarded" is a bad idea, as is confinement in Loony Bins and whippings to "straighten 'em out"? Kthx.
Exactly. Denying environmental and social factors = exactly the same sort of stupidity that blames everything on environmental and social actors. It just happens that in the former case it also gives you a good opportunity to wash your hands of the problem entirely and lay it at the feet of people who may not be responsible for their predicament.
I just feel that there needs to be a better balance of social support and personal responsibility.
I'm also dismayed at the direction social support is going in these days, from medical diagnoses to the way schools handle difficult children. I've just known too many cases where schools refuse to give a student the (very simple) accommodations he needs unless he has an official diagnosis. Every kid should be treated as an individual and have their individual needs met wherever possible, regardless of a "diagnosis" that legally mandates accommodation.
I'm not talking about expensive or time-consuming stuff, either; I'm talking about stuff like one kid really needed to sit in the front row so he was in plain sight of the teacher to defray his temptation to get into trouble. Another kid needed to be LEFT THE FUCK ALONE because it makes him severely anxious when attention is directed at him. My son has a hard time finishing his work if other kids talk to him, so he asked to be seated alone at a table in the corner when it's time to do stuff that requires his focus. His teacher was happy to accommodate him, but a substitute refused... and then gave him demerits when he didn't get his work done. He came out of the classroom crying. I wanted to punch that bitch in the face.
KIDS ARE NOT ALL THE SAME.
Anyway, that's a different rant. I just don't think people should HAVE to get diagnosed with, say, ADD so that the people they deal with are forced by law to grant them reasonable accommodations. They also shouldn't use it as an excuse for bad behavior. My son probably qualifies for a diagnosis of ADHD, but I would far rather teach him the creative coping skills that I've learned so that he can take as much responsibility as possible for managing his own behavior, instead of learning to be dependent on other people bringing solutions to him, or blaming poor behavior on ADD.
Quote from: Nigel on June 14, 2008, 06:57:21 PM
Anyway, that's a different rant. I just don't think people should HAVE to get diagnosed with, say, ADD so that the people they deal with are forced by law to grant them reasonable accommodations. They also shouldn't use it as an excuse for bad behavior. My son probably qualifies for a diagnosis of ADHD, but I would far rather teach him the creative coping skills that I've learned so that he can take as much responsibility as possible for managing his own behavior, instead of learning to be dependent on other people bringing solutions to him, or blaming poor behavior on ADD.
I think you summed it up well right there.
Your son realizes that he can't work as well around others so he takes responsibility by requesting to work alone so he can focus. He took responsibility for himself and his difficulties. It is then up to others to listen to him.
People need to meet each other half way--society shouldn't coddle people with whatever x y or z problem without the person contributing a bit to it, as your son did.
And I 100% think you teaching him creative coping solutions is awesome. I hate people using ADD as an excuse. While I definitely fervently agree with TGRR about sometimes a problem can be a well-adjusted person in a maladjusted world, that doesn't change the fact that sometimes we have to be able to play the game, push the buttons, etc, to make things happen, so even if it maybe ISN'T YOUR FAULT that the system doesn't work for you, it's still worth the effort to learn to work with the system, because if you can work from the inside, you can generally get a lot done. If you know how it works, if you can play the game, you can also play WITH the game and subvert from the inside out. I am a fan of staying below the radar, manipulating the system for your own benefit as you feel so inclined, and generally changing things by knowing how it works, which means being able to play the game.
Or at least, that is how I see it.