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Principia Discordia => Techmology and Scientism => Topic started by: Cain on November 14, 2008, 09:39:25 PM

Title: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Cain on November 14, 2008, 09:39:25 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/081112-coslog-aurora-466p-1140a.jpg)

Scientists say the northern lights on Saturn are unlike anything they've ever seen, on Earth or elsewhere in the solar system. Infrared imagery from the Cassini orbiter, released today to accompany research published in the journal Nature, only adds to the mystery at the top of the ringed planet.

Saturn's north pole is already home to a bizarre six-sided cyclone that planetary scientists haven't yet figured out. That observation marked the first time a hexagon had been seen in atmospheric patterns. The northern auroral displays, monitored by Cassini's visual and infrared mapping spectrometer, also go against the conventional wisdom.

On Earth and Jupiter, for instance, astronomers are used to seeing auroral arcs or rings of light - which glow when energetic particles stream along a planet's magnetic field and interact with the atmosphere. The auroras on Earth, also known as the northern or southern lights, are sparked by the solar wind. Jupiter's main auroral ring is powered by the planet's own magnetic processes.

Saturn's main auroral ring, like Earth's, is caused by the solar wind. But the newly observed infrared displays go all over the place.

"We've never seen an aurora like this elsewhere," the University of Leicester's Tom Stallard, lead author of the Nature paper, said today in a NASA news release. "It's not just a ring of aurorae like those we've seen at Jupiter or Earth. This one covers an enormous area across the pole. Our current ideas on what forms Saturn's aurorae predict that this region should be empty, so finding such a bright one here is a fantastic surprise."

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/11/12/1671310.aspx
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 14, 2008, 09:46:39 PM
I don't know what to say to this other than it's motherfucking awesome.

Saturn has always been one of my favorite planets.
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Payne on November 14, 2008, 09:47:10 PM
I love how often science is often completely stumped by phenomena in what is comparatively our backyard.

UNRELATED:

According to the news on wikipedia, some astronomers have visual confirmation of extra-solar planets too, which I think is hella cool.
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on November 14, 2008, 09:52:41 PM
Quote from: Payne on November 14, 2008, 09:47:10 PM
I love how often science is often completely stumped by phenomena in what is comparatively our backyard.

UNRELATED:

According to the news on wikipedia, some astronomers have visual confirmation of extra-solar planets too, which I think is hella cool.

I heard that on the BBC this morning as well. AKAIK they are all gas giants.
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on November 14, 2008, 10:04:02 PM
This is very cool!!

Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Kai on November 14, 2008, 10:30:53 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on November 14, 2008, 09:52:41 PM
Quote from: Payne on November 14, 2008, 09:47:10 PM
I love how often science is often completely stumped by phenomena in what is comparatively our backyard.

UNRELATED:

According to the news on wikipedia, some astronomers have visual confirmation of extra-solar planets too, which I think is hella cool.

I heard that on the BBC this morning as well. AKAIK they are all gas giants.

I thought that was confirmed years ago?

Maybe this means direct visual confirmation, as in, actual photographs of the planets rather than indirect visuals by stellar motions.
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on November 14, 2008, 10:34:50 PM
Quote from: Kai on November 14, 2008, 10:30:53 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on November 14, 2008, 09:52:41 PM
Quote from: Payne on November 14, 2008, 09:47:10 PM
I love how often science is often completely stumped by phenomena in what is comparatively our backyard.

UNRELATED:

According to the news on wikipedia, some astronomers have visual confirmation of extra-solar planets too, which I think is hella cool.

I heard that on the BBC this morning as well. AKAIK they are all gas giants.

I thought that was confirmed years ago?

Maybe this means direct visual confirmation, as in, actual photographs of the planets rather than indirect visuals by stellar motions.

That is precisely correct. Up to this point, they had predictions based on measurable gravitational effects. Now, they've cross linked a couple telescopes and actually caught tiny points of light that have moved in an expected orbit. They're now working on analyzing the specific light frequencies involved to better understand what's there.

Apparently, there's some talk of looking for life, by seeking chlorophyll reflected light from distant planets based on some of the work they've done with these telescopes (it's Hubble and a terrestrial one that I don't  remember the name of)
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Kai on November 14, 2008, 11:14:05 PM
Ack.


I hate how people expect life on other planets to turn out exactly the same way ours did with little variation.

Chlorophyl..... :x
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Triple Zero on November 15, 2008, 12:10:07 AM
Quote from: Cain on November 14, 2008, 09:39:25 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/081112-coslog-aurora-466p-1140a.jpg)

OFUK ITS THE PROTOSS
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Kai on November 15, 2008, 12:56:25 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 15, 2008, 12:10:07 AM
Quote from: Cain on November 14, 2008, 09:39:25 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/081112-coslog-aurora-466p-1140a.jpg)

OFUK ITS THE PROTOSS



                              My life for Aiur!
                                       /
(http://ui26.gamespot.com/57/ss12hires_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on November 15, 2008, 12:58:27 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 15, 2008, 12:10:07 AM
Quote from: Cain on November 14, 2008, 09:39:25 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/081112-coslog-aurora-466p-1140a.jpg)

OFUK ITS THE PROTOSS

:lulz: It really does look like that.
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Vene on November 15, 2008, 01:35:29 AM
Quote from: Kai on November 14, 2008, 11:14:05 PM
Ack.


I hate how people expect life on other planets to turn out exactly the same way ours did with little variation.

Chlorophyl..... :x
Oh thank fuck I'm not the only one.  I actually think that if we run into extraterrestrial life we won't even recognize it as an organism.
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Kai on November 15, 2008, 02:03:01 AM
Quote from: Vene on November 15, 2008, 01:35:29 AM
Quote from: Kai on November 14, 2008, 11:14:05 PM
Ack.


I hate how people expect life on other planets to turn out exactly the same way ours did with little variation.

Chlorophyl..... :x
Oh thank fuck I'm not the only one.  I actually think that if we run into extraterrestrial life we won't even recognize it as an organism.

You expected different of me? :/
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Vene on November 15, 2008, 02:08:14 AM
Quote from: Kai on November 15, 2008, 02:03:01 AM
Quote from: Vene on November 15, 2008, 01:35:29 AM
Quote from: Kai on November 14, 2008, 11:14:05 PM
Ack.


I hate how people expect life on other planets to turn out exactly the same way ours did with little variation.

Chlorophyl..... :x
Oh thank fuck I'm not the only one.  I actually think that if we run into extraterrestrial life we won't even recognize it as an organism.

You expected different of me? :/
Not really, it's still nice to see.
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Elder Iptuous on November 15, 2008, 02:16:28 AM
i thought some teams had seen the shadows of gas giants pass in front of some stars a year or two ago.....
they were touting that as 'visual' confirmation.
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Kai on November 15, 2008, 02:30:33 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on November 15, 2008, 02:16:28 AM
i thought some teams had seen the shadows of gas giants pass in front of some stars a year or two ago.....
they were touting that as 'visual' confirmation.


Yes, but shadows and gravitational abberations are not visual confirmation in the sense that our vision receives reflected light, I guess.
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Elder Iptuous on November 15, 2008, 02:36:23 AM
Yeah, i guess. i remember seeing the headline and then being dissappointed when the 'visual confirmation' turned out to be a shadow. oh well....
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Iason Ouabache on November 15, 2008, 08:11:02 AM
Here's a pic of the extra-solar planet:

(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/ne/p/2008/1114fomal540x432.jpg)

http://news.cnet.com/2300-11397_3-6247700-1.html
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Verbal Mike on November 15, 2008, 09:42:05 AM
This aurora thing sounds like good material for ARGGASM. The colliding universes thing would "explain" it.
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Triple Zero on November 15, 2008, 11:28:50 AM
Quote from: Tik-Tok of Oz on November 15, 2008, 08:11:02 AMHere's a pic of the extra-solar planet:
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/ne/p/2008/1114fomal540x432.jpg)

SAURON????

wtf are all these fantasy/scifi things doing in real outerspace?
Title: Re: Mystery of Saturn's northern aurora
Post by: Kai on November 15, 2008, 05:12:48 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on November 15, 2008, 08:11:02 AM
Here's a pic of the extra-solar planet:

(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/ne/p/2008/1114fomal540x432.jpg)

http://news.cnet.com/2300-11397_3-6247700-1.html

Sweet.