not feeling paranoid? we have a cure its called fusion centers
QuoteWHAT'S A FUSION CENTER YOU ASK? THEY'RE A SET OF LOCAL INTELLIGENCE CENTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY CREATED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY TO COMBAT TERRORISM AND RELATED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. AND NOW ACORDING TO A REPORT BY ONE OF THESE FUSION CENTERS, IF YOU'RE AN ANTI ABORTION ACTIVIST, IF YOU'VE SUPPORTED THIRD PARTY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES LIKE RON PAUL, CHUCK BALDWIN, OR BOB BARR. OR BELIEVE IN THE IDEA THAT THE U S, MEXICO, AND CANADA WILL SOMEDAY FORM A NORTH AMERICAN UNION, THEN YOU MAY BE SPECIALLY TARGETED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
ACLU - http://www.aclu.org/privacy/gen/32966pub20071205.html
wiki-leaks (right-wing fear) - http://wikileaks.de/wiki/Missouri_Information_Analysis_Center:_The_Modern_Militia_Movement,_20_Feb_2009
DHS - http://www.dhs.gov/xinfoshare/programs/gc_1156877184684.shtm
support bob bar? - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/23/fusion-centers-expand-criteria-identify-militia-members/
of course if you don't like having
the fearTM you might think of ways to use the collection of information for your own purposes
"they" are tightening the noose, sure the fusion centers entered into the news through the paranoid right wing media, but don't expect the representative of change to do anything but use the gains bush gave him, there is no hope for power grabbed to be restored,
so you are putting yourself out there getting people to think for themselves?
great but will your disdain for the tinfoil hat militias keep your name off the lists? or will you be on top of the game? can you work the system to your goals? or will you just be a marked man marginalized and rendered ineffective? the data mining has begun ....
At first I kind of ignored this, because I refuse to put an effort into FAUX News Sensationalism Monster, but did I see ACLU?
FOX News + ACLU = WTF?
Ah I see though. ACLU didn't like it when Bush was in charge, and Fox is just getting around to reporting on it since they will inevitably be used to house Christians.
I can't see this as anything but another long bomb from the right to demonize the left for running with the very ideas they set up in the first place. I don't like the idea of them either, but I find it hilarious that someone could get locked up in the prison that they themselves built.
Right wing/Left wing....
It takes two wings for the vulture to fly.
the reason you think one wing is dominant at any given time is because it is flying in circles above our doomed asses. :lol:
Quote from: fomenter on March 24, 2009, 03:53:38 PM
"they" are tightening the noose, sure the fusion centers entered into the news through the paranoid right wing media, but don't expect the representative of change to do anything but use the gains bush gave him, there is no hope for power grabbed to be restored,
so you are putting yourself out there getting people to think for themselves?
great but will your disdain for the tinfoil hat militias keep your name off the lists? or will you be on top of the game? can you work the system to your goals? or will you just be a marked man marginalized and rendered ineffective? the data mining has begun ....
I can say that i'll be visiting one in a few months for job opportunities. I'm sure that during the course of your work that you've been held responsible for somebody else's actions, regardless of whether or not you had any part in or knowledge of what happened. These people don't have time for silly little conspiracies against people, nor do they care about your personal data as it's analyzed and they move on. They are held responsible for anything and everything in their AO and their job is literally endless. just throwing that out there.
The data they share with other agencies is pertinent to ongoing investigations. Maybe, you consider their 'flags' ridiculous but the complexities are kind of understated in those articles, and particularly in a way to create the reaction that sells more papers.
fox news + ACLU caught my attention too, if had just been wingnuttery i might not have bothered to post.
they have an interest in people that are doing things that are effective.
many here hope to up there game and become effective,
and that means knowing what they do and how they do it is potentially relevant.. just because you see mind fucks and TFYSS as a game and fun,
doesn't mean they wont view it a subversive and use the information and agencies that collect it against
you if you were to become effective
i don't care about right-wing sensationalism or conspiratorial theories about internment camps, there are better and cheaper ways to discredit and shut up those that might oppose the direction that this country is headed , and i am in a pissed off mood about that direction today, reading the article Cain posted about bail outs and the rant TGGR put up yesterday got me going, and this was a nice little topper,
so it may be a weak rant but i say its a legitimate concern to know what powers the beast left for the smiler to use and abuse
Quote from: Iptuous on March 24, 2009, 05:10:37 PM
Right wing/Left wing....
It takes two wings for the vulture to fly.
the reason you think one wing is dominant at any given time is because it is flying in circles above our doomed asses. :lol:
i also find the idea of someone being locked up or abused by the system they created amusing, but it wont happen,
i suspect either party would be glad to see the extremists on their side pared away when they no longer serve a purpose,
the big players will be immune as always
edit to add - the JBS troll has put me on a news letter list, http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/911 conspiratorial stuff but it has some info and comments the other links don't...
On one hand, the threat of far-right terrorism is very real, and a more pressing risk to US security than, say, Al-Qaeda. There do need to be steps taken to smash the "Patriot" movement before it reforms, which it seems to be doing right now. And those themes mentioned are prevalent among such groups.
However, if people are not joining the organizations with an empahsis on "direct action" or whatever euphemism they want to use for building pipe bombs and drawing up hit-lists, if they are not linked to individuals known to be involved in such circles, then I would be worried about the attention they are getting. Its entirely possible to have lunatic ideas and not be violent about it.
There is also the irony, which Hunter noted.
real threat " right wing militants with no impulse control " vs sweeping generalisations and the abuse of new information collection powers,
perhaps i am being paranoid thinking anything we can do would get us on a list like this, none of the ideas we have would fall under the label of direct action or suspect ideology, i am sure it will be used responsibly against the militants and terrorists it was intended for, as pope L mentioned with the volumes of information they collect and go though, we are below the radar and i am sure if we were responsible for some effective and recognized event, they would never go back and check the information again to look for a bunch of harmless pranksters..
i am not going to worry about the government hassling a few innocent gun nuts and libertarians in their pursuit of real threats why should i, they aren't coming after me, the type of signs and bumper sticker they look for aren't the kind i put up so i will do nothing...
since discordian wasn't mentioned as one of the labels being used it never will be, and the types of things in the following quote cant happen to you. no need to be prepared, to understand staying off the radar, understand how information gets collected and used, not relevant to us at all please return to your regular scheduled sillyness you are just a ineffective and harmless prankster after all...
QuoteDo you not see how dangerous this kind of slanderous labeling can become? It could affect your flight status when you try to board an airline. It could affect your application for sensitive jobs. It could affect your adjudication before a court or judge. It could make you a target for aggressive law enforcement strategies. It could affect your being able to obtain a passport. It could affect one's ability to purchase a firearm or receive a State concealed weapon permit.
This is very serious business! We are not talking about private opinions. We are talking about law enforcement agencies. And remember, most law enforcement agencies share these types of reports; therefore, how many other state police agencies have similar reports floating around? Probably several. Plus, how do we know that this report was not influenced by federal police agencies? We don't.
QuoteAccording to Shinn, they detained him for about 45 minutes while they searched his van — without probable cause, without his permission, and without a search warrant. "I didn't have anything illegal, so they didn't find anything to arrest me for or ticket me for," he recalls. Still, it was a very unsettling experience. There was no question in his mind that he had been targeted because of his political bumper stickers, which are a form of expression that is supposed to be protected under the First Amendment. "
"not relevant to us at all" or is it?
I'm not sure if you're being snarky towards my post here or not, but if you are, I suggest you go back and read it again.
Cain,
has already expressed concern about the potential for political policing and violations of civil rights trumping genuine security threats.
Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2009, 06:06:32 PM
I'm not sure if you're being snarky towards my post here or not, but if you are, I suggest you go back and read it again.
Cain,
has already expressed concern about the potential for political policing and violations of civil rights trumping genuine security threats.
not toward your post, more toward the general its right wing it doesn't apply to us, lack of serious discussion on the be prepared front, i would love to have more to contribute on how they collect data, how to stay off the radar how to use it to our advantage etc but i have no expertise, so all i have is my "so far failed" ability to get the subject going..
OK then.
First of all, staying off the radar, or attempting to, will almost certainly draw more attention to you. Its the first thought of the people we'd really rather see in court as well, so many of the avenues that purport to help in this are nothing more than honeypots.
The trick is to have a rock solid defence (ie never get into a situation which can even ever be miscontrued as supporting those groups), make it clear you disavow the tactics of such people from the outset, know the relevant laws inside out and make sure people you know have the relevant information necessary to cause a ruckus if necessary, such as media contacts, human rights lawyers and relevant documentation. Raising awareness within those peaceful groups and to try and form a consensus on getting rid of the extremists among their ranks is also a good idea.
If the people in charge of the counter-terrorism strategy are smart, they will almost certainly be doing the final one. If terrorism, is, in fact, their concern. If its not, then its a data-collecting exercise, and the best bet is to try and hit as many of the "normal" patterns of behaviour as possible, to hide among the vast quanitity of ordinary people whose details will be picked up in such a venture. Nails that stick out too far have a tendency to get hammered down.
hit as many of the "normal" patterns of behaviour as possible, to hide among the vast quanitity of ordinary people
This is very good advice. Almost all of the models used to detect suspicious activity look for that which is out of the realm of normal. You might use PGP to protect all of your sensitive emails... but it would appear abnormal to something monitoring your traffic... why are only these emails encrypted? Who do they go to? How often do they go out?
The act of protecting yourself, exposes you. On the flip side, if you blend in with everyone else...
In network security, we have these great toys called Intrusion Detection and Intrusion Prevention. They watch traffic patterns and look for anything abnormal. They pretty effective. However, there are 'stick' attacks which generate tons and tons of abnormal traffic, and then slip the actual attack in among the more normal traffic. Unless you've got some really beefy servers, you're not likely to catch the actual attack.
If the abnormal traffic could be considered analogous to our freaky far right friends, then you want to be the 'almost normal' traffic that slides by ;-)
thank you
i just realised this is going to be chapter 2 in TGRR's manual maybe it will generate some good material..
Quote"hit as many of the "normal" patterns of behaviour as possible, to hide among the vast quantity of ordinary people whose details will be picked up in such a venture"
i like this, it would be my definition of staying off the radar in an information age where information is easy to find and follow the living of the grid no id type of off the radar is out of date and i agree most likely a honeypot to catch the truly up to no good types that it attracts (also ratts comments on encryption)
Quote(ie never get into a situation which can even ever be misconstrued as supporting those groups),
definitely stay away from any association with those being targeted,
it doe's raise a question about groups you are already associated with being put on a target list and trolling membership on suspect forums, membership for trolling purposes is indistinguishable from real membership to a data collection...
Usually better to target them via a third party site or some sort of neutral venue, its true. On the other hand, if it ever gets as far as a court, the content of your messages will become very important. Intent is a massive part of Anglo-American jurisprudence.
Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2009, 07:36:16 PM
Usually better to target them via a third party site or some sort of neutral venue, its true. On the other hand, if it ever gets as far as a court, the content of your messages will become very important. Intent is a massive part of Anglo-American jurisprudence.
it would make the "troll by logical extension to the extreme" a risky one on some sites. posting far out ideas as a satire or parody of the ones you are trolling might be hard to defend in court..
Yes. Reductio ad absurdum might look bad, unless you made it really obvious. This is why having a good character and publically disavowing such people and views is important.
for keeping your group "discorians" or cabal off the lists?
being ready to quickly disavow and marginalise any one who did something that screws the group is one option, publicly disassociating from the group and reforming under a new banner is another (hope its never necessary).
cabal problems might be harder to get away from, plans for avoiding getting your cabal in trouble might be the best option?
Quote from: fomenter on March 25, 2009, 08:03:23 PM
for keeping your group "discorians" or cabal off the lists?
being ready to quickly disavow and marginalise any one who did something that screws the group is one option, publicly disassociating from the group and reforming under a new banner is another (hope its never necessary).
cabal problems might be harder to get away from, plans for avoiding getting your cabal in trouble might be the best option?
If you build your group with the mentality that it will dissolve when trouble arises, it will be doomed from the beginning. What you need is rock solid camaraderie, ideals that the individual will be able to put above themselves,, and each person alibies... if the need arises. You don't need everyone to be buddy buddy with each other. But the leaders should be tight with eachother, so that then each leader can independently run their own cells.
If you run your operations in cells, that minimizes risk to the entire group (other cells).
Quote from: Pope Lecherous on March 26, 2009, 02:54:24 AM
If you build your group with the mentality that it will dissolve when trouble arises, it will be doomed from the beginning. What you need is rock solid camaraderie, ideals that the individual will be able to put above themselves,, and each person alibies... if the need arises. You don't need everyone to be buddy buddy with each other. But the leaders should be tight with eachother, so that then each leader can independently run their own cells.
If you run your operations in cells, that minimizes risk to the entire group (other cells).
i disagree i am thinking of somebody pulling a "criminally stupid" in the name of discord something on the Tim mcvey level of fail. discordia isn't being supported by saudi oil money or have the good will of a major religion it cant be effective as a hunted rebel group, there is no reason i or others would want be associated with the actions of a rouge discordian, as i said i think the first action would be to disavow and marginalized to separate ourselves from the attention but ultimately being under serious scrutiny would kill any chance of being effective and quite possibly of having a decent life.
while i am not a "true believer
TM" in the beginning of the new global serfdom there is plenty of change going on and with it plenty of opportunity to infect large numbers with the "think for your self" virus, and that is most effectively done from within not as a person on a watch list or in a jail.
rock solid camaraderie sounds fine, but
"ideals individuals put above themselves" sounds like the kind of stupidity "think for yourself" is fighting the stupidity that gets idiots to do suicide bombings...
the tactics and applications of cells i will leave to others more knowledgeable to discuss, it sounds good if it avoids drawing attention (see Cain and rats posts on staying off the radar)
edit to add - it doesn't have to be a big event of a type we disagree with, an effective event that was considered a success would raise the same question and each discordian would have to make a choice can you exist/continue to do things if you are on a list and under scrutiny or is the better tactic to remain anonymous
iaw FME
Quote from: fomenter on March 26, 2009, 05:28:57 PM
Quote from: Pope Lecherous on March 26, 2009, 02:54:24 AM
If you build your group with the mentality that it will dissolve when trouble arises, it will be doomed from the beginning. What you need is rock solid camaraderie, ideals that the individual will be able to put above themselves,, and each person alibies... if the need arises. You don't need everyone to be buddy buddy with each other. But the leaders should be tight with eachother, so that then each leader can independently run their own cells.
If you run your operations in cells, that minimizes risk to the entire group (other cells).
i disagree i am thinking of somebody pulling a "criminally stupid" in the name of discord something on the Tim mcvey level of fail. discordia isn't being supported by saudi oil money or have the good will of a major religion it cant be effective as a hunted rebel group, there is no reason i or others would want be associated with the actions of a rouge discordian, as i said i think the first action would be to disavow and marginalized to separate ourselves from the attention but ultimately being under serious scrutiny would kill any chance of being effective and quite possibly of having a decent life.
while i am not a "true believerTM" in the beginning of the new global serfdom there is plenty of change going on and with it plenty of opportunity to infect large numbers with the "think for your self" virus, and that is most effectively done from within not as a person on a watch list or in a jail.
rock solid camaraderie sounds fine, but "ideals individuals put above themselves" sounds like the kind of stupidity "think for yourself" is fighting the stupidity that gets idiots to do suicide bombings...
the tactics and applications of cells i will leave to others more knowledgeable to discuss, it sounds good if it avoids drawing attention (see Cain and rats posts on staying off the radar)
edit to add - it doesn't have to be a big event of a type we disagree with, an effective event that was considered a success would raise the same question and each discordian would have to make a choice can you exist/continue to do things if you are on a list and under scrutiny or is the better tactic to remain anonymous
Operating in cells addresses these concerns.
After that don't get caught.
If you do. The structure of the group will mitigate a lot of the potential need to disavow people. If someone does something noteworthy but gets caught it should be treated as an achievement, you don't just turn your back on them even for the sake of your public persona. in cells you may not know him or be easily connected to that person anyways, so it's not really an issue. The cell can be a source of support for each member. Like, bail money for example. simple things like that. provide people resources they didnt have so opportunities could be realized. etc.
My Cabal meets as a group rarely, and usually under the guise of a Party. There have been some exceptions, our St Tibbs day Jake sessions, for example.
Usually however, we simply know each others resources, skills and abilities. Rather than working as a Cabal... we work as individuals, that can get resources from other individuals we trust not to ask questions. As most of these people are also my friends, we work cabal work into going to the movies (you can discuss a lot in a nearly empty theater), or having friends over for dinner or going out to dinner etc. Often, depending on what we're doing, we'll create GMail accounts to discuss one idea or another and then abandon the account in short order.
Initially I resisted the GMail idea, because I thought it would look suspicious... However, the "One World By Night" LARP (National Vampire/World of Darkness) players have a GMail account for pretty much every character they own. It seems that lots of people create 'fake identities' with gmail... so I'm not as paranoid about it now.
However, any kind of regular meetings, or major group outings are rare and usually planned to look unrelated:
"Oh, Brian, Lauren, Joe and Bren just happened to be here!"
Otherwise we all have our own interests and projects and a supply of skills at our disposal.
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2009, 06:47:58 PM
My Cabal meets as a group rarely, and usually under the guise of a Party. There have been some exceptions, our St Tibbs day Jake sessions, for example.
Usually however, we simply know each others resources, skills and abilities. Rather than working as a Cabal... we work as individuals, that can get resources from other individuals we trust not to ask questions. As most of these people are also my friends, we work cabal work into going to the movies (you can discuss a lot in a nearly empty theater), or having friends over for dinner or going out to dinner etc. Often, depending on what we're doing, we'll create GMail accounts to discuss one idea or another and then abandon the account in short order.
Initially I resisted the GMail idea, because I thought it would look suspicious... However, the "One World By Night" LARP (National Vampire/World of Darkness) players have a GMail account for pretty much every character they own. It seems that lots of people create 'fake identities' with gmail... so I'm not as paranoid about it now.
However, any kind of regular meetings, or major group outings are rare and usually planned to look unrelated:
"Oh, Brian, Lauren, Joe and Bren just happened to be here!"
Otherwise we all have our own interests and projects and a supply of skills at our disposal.
On joint projects, where does the mission come from? The meetings? Or do you have a thinking man familiar with everyone's skills/abilities?
Quote from: Pope Lecherous on March 26, 2009, 06:31:08 PM
Operating in cells addresses these concerns.
After that don't get caught.
If you do. The structure of the group will mitigate a lot of the potential need to disavow people. If someone does something noteworthy but gets caught it should be treated as an achievement, you don't just turn your back on them even for the sake of your public persona. in cells you may not know him or be easily connected to that person anyways, so it's not really an issue. The cell can be a source of support for each member. Like, bail money for example. simple things like that. provide people resources they didnt have so opportunities could be realized. etc.
we don't operate as a cell in some secret organization, we post here and sometimes openly act as discordians and if somebody draws unwanted or even wanted attention every ones name and information is
GOT, and there is not enough money for legal cost, public support, media connections available to bail out one of us much less head off large scale harassment of every one.
i understand the "stand by your buddy's" sentiment and on a cabal, small group level for minor shit it makes sense, as does the cell structure and rats use of other social groupings.
large scale attention (if it results in being harassed or watched) is a different beast
Quote from: Pope Lecherous on March 26, 2009, 06:57:31 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2009, 06:47:58 PM
My Cabal meets as a group rarely, and usually under the guise of a Party. There have been some exceptions, our St Tibbs day Jake sessions, for example.
Usually however, we simply know each others resources, skills and abilities. Rather than working as a Cabal... we work as individuals, that can get resources from other individuals we trust not to ask questions. As most of these people are also my friends, we work cabal work into going to the movies (you can discuss a lot in a nearly empty theater), or having friends over for dinner or going out to dinner etc. Often, depending on what we're doing, we'll create GMail accounts to discuss one idea or another and then abandon the account in short order.
Initially I resisted the GMail idea, because I thought it would look suspicious... However, the "One World By Night" LARP (National Vampire/World of Darkness) players have a GMail account for pretty much every character they own. It seems that lots of people create 'fake identities' with gmail... so I'm not as paranoid about it now.
However, any kind of regular meetings, or major group outings are rare and usually planned to look unrelated:
"Oh, Brian, Lauren, Joe and Bren just happened to be here!"
Otherwise we all have our own interests and projects and a supply of skills at our disposal.
On joint projects, where does the mission come from? The meetings? Or do you have a thinking man familiar with everyone's skills/abilities?
We are all thinking men (and women and things)... That is if I come up with a plan to build a bunch of "Cloudbusters" and set up an official looking experiment in one of the City parks... I can contact the gang, through normal hanging out or via email with a "Heya, Eris said we should talk:" or something like that.
Next thing you know we have people in Lab Coats and two guys in black to chase us off once we gather a crowd around our 'strange experiments'.
:lulz:
It's kinda like here, except we have a better idea of who can do what... and the ability to say "Bob*, I need to you crank out three wall sized pieces of Illumninati style art" and I can trust (barring anything insane) that Bob will do it.
* not really Bob
Quote from: fomenter on March 26, 2009, 06:58:14 PM
we don't operate as a cell in some secret organization, we post here and sometimes openly act as discordians and if somebody draws unwanted or even wanted attention every ones name and information is GOT, and there is not enough money for legal cost, public support, media connections available to bail out one of us much less head off large scale harassment of every one.
Maybe it's time to start, so you wouldnt have to worry about the problems associated with everyone knowing you are in a group. The relative anonymity will afford you and your people the courage to risk bigger things.
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2009, 07:04:36 PM
We are all thinking men (and women and things)... That is if I come up with a plan to build a bunch of "Cloudbusters" and set up an official looking experiment in one of the City parks... I can contact the gang, through normal hanging out or via email with a "Heya, Eris said we should talk:" or something like that.
Next thing you know we have people in Lab Coats and two guys in black to chase us off once we gather a crowd around our 'strange experiments'.
:lulz:
It's kinda like here, except we have a better idea of who can do what... and the ability to say "Bob*, I need to you crank out three wall sized pieces of Illumninati style art" and I can trust (barring anything insane) that Bob will do it.
* not really Bob
Sounds like you got a decent setup already :lulz:
Did you have any projects you were interested in but couldn't pull off? What were your biggest limitations? Where abouts does all this happen?
Quote from: Pope Lecherous on March 26, 2009, 07:10:19 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2009, 07:04:36 PM
We are all thinking men (and women and things)... That is if I come up with a plan to build a bunch of "Cloudbusters" and set up an official looking experiment in one of the City parks... I can contact the gang, through normal hanging out or via email with a "Heya, Eris said we should talk:" or something like that.
Next thing you know we have people in Lab Coats and two guys in black to chase us off once we gather a crowd around our 'strange experiments'.
:lulz:
It's kinda like here, except we have a better idea of who can do what... and the ability to say "Bob*, I need to you crank out three wall sized pieces of Illumninati style art" and I can trust (barring anything insane) that Bob will do it.
* not really Bob
Sounds like you got a decent setup already :lulz:
Did you have any projects you were interested in but couldn't pull off? What were your biggest limitations? Where abouts does all this happen?
Yep lots of projects die... one of our failed projects got mentioned here and Cramulus turned it into the highly successful ColbertGASM. We just couldn't get the inertia etc to pull it off.
As of this minute, one of our biggest limitations is real life... one guy just lost his house and got a divorce and moved 90 minutes away, etc etc. We also have less actors at our disposal. Our cabal had a lot of crossover with LARP etc as I mentioned before... often, if we needed "extras" we could pull in our friends who weren't in the Cabal, stick them in a costume or something and *BAM*
And honestly, a lot of our favorite pranks have just been Sjaantze and I. She had this really, really absurd Toucan costume from some Halloween party. We dressed her up in that and me in a dress shirt/tie made up some signs, bought some beef jerky and went into downtown Columbus to promote the new snack food that was gonna be tested in the city (we're a test market, it makes some things very easy).
However, surprisingly, people didn't actually LIKE Toucan Jerky, or at least, they didn't like it when we told them it was toucan...
this is a be prepared, how to avoid trouble thread, as you mentioned we are not going to be noticed by data collection in their normal operations, there is to much data and we do nothing to warrant notice.
"what if" scenarios "what if we get noticed", and "how to" scenarios how to keep from getting notice are interesting..
one way to avoid the above problem would be to create a new banner to do any high likelihood of recognition (unwanted attention) ideas under and disassociate it from the discordian name before it happens..
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2009, 07:20:28 PM
Yep lots of projects die... one of our failed projects got mentioned here and Cramulus turned it into the highly successful ColbertGASM. We just couldn't get the inertia etc to pull it off.
As of this minute, one of our biggest limitations is real life... one guy just lost his house and got a divorce and moved 90 minutes away, etc etc. We also have less actors at our disposal. Our cabal had a lot of crossover with LARP etc as I mentioned before... often, if we needed "extras" we could pull in our friends who weren't in the Cabal, stick them in a costume or something and *BAM*
And honestly, a lot of our favorite pranks have just been Sjaantze and I. She had this really, really absurd Toucan costume from some Halloween party. We dressed her up in that and me in a dress shirt/tie made up some signs, bought some beef jerky and went into downtown Columbus to promote the new snack food that was gonna be tested in the city (we're a test market, it makes some things very easy).
However, surprisingly, people didn't actually LIKE Toucan Jerky, or at least, they didn't like it when we told them it was toucan...
too many chiefs, not enough indians it seems.
Quote from: Pope Lecherous on March 26, 2009, 07:45:36 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2009, 07:20:28 PM
Yep lots of projects die... one of our failed projects got mentioned here and Cramulus turned it into the highly successful ColbertGASM. We just couldn't get the inertia etc to pull it off.
As of this minute, one of our biggest limitations is real life... one guy just lost his house and got a divorce and moved 90 minutes away, etc etc. We also have less actors at our disposal. Our cabal had a lot of crossover with LARP etc as I mentioned before... often, if we needed "extras" we could pull in our friends who weren't in the Cabal, stick them in a costume or something and *BAM*
And honestly, a lot of our favorite pranks have just been Sjaantze and I. She had this really, really absurd Toucan costume from some Halloween party. We dressed her up in that and me in a dress shirt/tie made up some signs, bought some beef jerky and went into downtown Columbus to promote the new snack food that was gonna be tested in the city (we're a test market, it makes some things very easy).
However, surprisingly, people didn't actually LIKE Toucan Jerky, or at least, they didn't like it when we told them it was toucan...
too many chiefs, not enough indians it seems.
All Chiefs are first Indians...
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2009, 07:48:22 PM
Quote from: Pope Lecherous on March 26, 2009, 07:45:36 PM
too many chiefs, not enough indians it seems.
All Chiefs are first Indians...
Adopting people that don't or won't accept our catma seems necessary to find the needed amount of foot soldiers. Are they in it for the lolzors or some other kind of gain? We can't use God, we should get a list of attractive benefits and provide them
Quote from: Pope Lecherous on March 26, 2009, 07:53:11 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2009, 07:48:22 PM
Quote from: Pope Lecherous on March 26, 2009, 07:45:36 PM
too many chiefs, not enough indians it seems.
All Chiefs are first Indians...
Adopting people that don't or won't accept our catma seems necessary to find the needed amount of foot soldiers. Are they in it for the lolzors or some other kind of gain? We can't use God, we should get a list of attractive benefits and provide them
huh?
Most of the people I've gotten to play do it because its something fun to do.
One girl demanded a date afterward.
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2009, 08:00:18 PM
huh?
Most of the people I've gotten to play do it because its something fun to do.
One girl demanded a date afterward.
I was thinking too seriously.
*Join my Cabal, win a date with loose old me* just don't work :(
Related to OP:
QuoteMissouri retracts report linking militias, 3rd party candidates
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. &madash; The Missouri Highway Patrol this week retracted a controversial report on militia activity and will change how such reports are reviewed before being distributed to law enforcement agencies.
The Highway Patrol also will open an investigation into the origin of the report, which linked conservative groups with domestic terrorism and named former presidential candidates Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/politics/story/64917.html
Of course, the damage is done, what do they care if they have to 'retract' it...
QuoteDirector Britt has still not answered any of the questions about what other reports may have been developed and the procedure behind these memos," Kinder's spokesman, Gary McElyea, said in a statement.
Quote"Under the guidance of the present director, who apparently must think it is Nixon's secret service, the Department of Public Safety has taken on the new and sinister role of political profiling," Kinder said. Also troubling Kinder said, the report makes no mention of Islamic terrorists or those who might subscribe to ideologies associated with liberals, such as environmental radicals.
http://www.kansascity.com/637/story/1109096.html longer version of the story
there is some call by kinder for britt to be suspended