Principia Discordia

(I just saw this, even though it's 2 months old...)

http://www.abc6.com/news/rhodeisland/41164627.html

QuoteWhen you hear the word "plantations," what comes to mind? For some people, it's a word that brings up a whole lot of bad memories in Rhode Island's history, and one of the reasons many want the words "Providence Plantations" removed from the states official name.

All this is showing is the ignorance of people in this state and country.

"I'm black and I don't want it to be called a Plantation cause of slaves and stuff."

Providence Plantations was the original name of the mainland colony, and Rhode Island was a different colony, now where Newport/Middletown/Portsmouth is. Fuck, I'm not even a native of this state and I know this. Maybe if people were taught more accurate history instead of the typical American "Slavery and plantations are the really real cause of the Civil War" bullshit, people would have a different opinion.

Seriously, we have an unemployment rate of 11%, and our government is bankrupt, so let's spend money changing the NAME instead of doing something to help our failing State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations.

And people wonder why I want to get the fuck out of here. Rhody =  :horrormirth:

This same mentality is what got some dude in Washington fired for using the word "niggardly".

http://www.adversity.net/special/niggardly.htm

Plantation is just a word, much like the swastika is just a symbol, but in the end, it's only the negative connotations that stick in the mind.

Maybe it's not so much as education anymore, because any teacher could talk ad nauseam about the history of something. It's how most people actually THINK and absorb information is what needs to be changed.

The word "Plantation" represents the subjugation and exploitation of our photosynthesizing breatheren.  It should never be used for it's connotation of the days when plants were bred in captivity simply to have the leave and seeds harvested and allously consumed while their genetics were tempered with to swell them to obscene proportions before they were led off to the slaughter.

The cries of the carrots?

(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3769/roflbotwfci.jpg) (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=roflbotwfci.jpg)

Wouldn't "Silence of the Yams" work better? 

OSNAP.

BRB.

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:mittens:

 :lulz:

(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb163/wompcabal/SLIENCEOFTHECRAMS.jpg)

couldn't resist

 :lulz:
The moustache NEEDS to wiggle every 15 seconds. 

Quote from: LMNO on May 11, 2009, 04:14:33 PM
This same mentality is what got some dude in Washington fired for using the word "niggardly".

http://www.adversity.net/special/niggardly.htm

Or why an IUPUI janitor was accused of racial harassment for reading a book called "Notre Dame vs. the Klan: How the Fighting Irish Defeated the Ku Klux Klan" while on his break.

http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/9255.html

We were having a discussion on Black History Month on the way home from New Jersey amidst the incredible traffic in Connecticut, and then questioned why Canada has a Portuguese History Month and we don't, and why there is no French History Month when there SHOULD be considering a good chunk of the US used to be French occupied (Canada doesn't have one either, but they have Portuguese?) But if I were to bring this up, say, on a more public scale, I'd be labeled a racist immediately, because I'm white, and I'm obviously speaking out against blacks because they have their own history month.

Don't get me wrong, there's some wicked cool black people in our history that people NEED to know about aside from MLK and Malcolm X, and I'm a strong advocate for history months of anything and history education in general. But why is it Hispanic Heritage Month and not Spanish History Month? Spain as the country definitely played a huge part in the United States as well, why focus on the world "Hispanic" when there's so much to cover aside from the people that originate from the island of Hispaniola and give their name to anyone of Spanish/Portuguese descent in North and South America?

And why is it "Latin" America when they don't speak Latin? Why aren't Italian-Americans or Romanian-Americans considered Latin Americans when their languages are even closer to Lingua Latina than Spanish and Portuguese dialects of the Americans? HUH? HUH?!?!?!?!

And then I brought up the whole hyphenation bullshit...and in the end we decided it's not worth the fuss, because it'll just get me in more trouble than it's worth.  :sad: It's a rant to nowhere, and we can't expect others to comprehend our level of thought, because plantations, swastikas, being niggardly, and books about a college fighting racism, are well, racist. Duh.

(http://static.open.salon.com/files/thatsracistgm751224856460.gif)

An Asian lady at a shoe shop racially stereotyped me by telling me "no big size" when I held up a shoe and asked how much.

That really hurt my feelings cause those shoes were fucking BAD ASS.

betch.

Illinois has a Polish American Heritage Month.  :|

My friend called me a Wop, so I retaliated and called him a Gee. Then he punched me.  :|

Quote from: Suu on May 11, 2009, 04:12:03 PM
(I just saw this, even though it's 2 months old...)

http://www.abc6.com/news/rhodeisland/41164627.html

QuoteWhen you hear the word "plantations," what comes to mind? For some people, it's a word that brings up a whole lot of bad memories in Rhode Island's history, and one of the reasons many want the words "Providence Plantations" removed from the states official name.

All this is showing is the ignorance of people in this state and country.

"I'm black and I don't want it to be called a Plantation cause of slaves and stuff."

Providence Plantations was the original name of the mainland colony, and Rhode Island was a different colony, now where Newport/Middletown/Portsmouth is. Fuck, I'm not even a native of this state and I know this. Maybe if people were taught more accurate history instead of the typical American "Slavery and plantations are the really real cause of the Civil War" bullshit, people would have a different opinion.
Seriously, we have an unemployment rate of 11%, and our government is bankrupt, so let's spend money changing the NAME instead of doing something to help our failing State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations.

And people wonder why I want to get the fuck out of here. Rhody =  :horrormirth:

There seems to be something Freudian about the geographically smallest state insisting on the longest ass name.

This, however, is a horse of a different color:
"Maybe if people were taught more accurate history instead of the typical American "Slavery and plantations are the really real cause of the Civil War" bullshit, people would have a different opinion."

Quote
White Lies:  A leading Civil War historian debunks many of the myths of the old South being circulated by neo-Confederate ideologues  Summer 2000

...  There is a strange paradox here. These people deride what they call political correctness, and yet one of their first missions is to whitewash the Confederacy of any connection with slavery. They actually seem sensitive to any possibility that the Confederacy is linked with race, and want to absolve the Confederacy of any charges of racism at all. ...

The Confederates of 1861-65 were much more honest about the importance of slavery than are the neo-Confederates of today. ...

White Southerners had no problem using the federal government's powers when it came to protecting and promoting the interests of slavery. They only invoked states' rights rhetoric in trying to restrict federal power against slavery. ...

Racism against African-Americans was a national problem, not a regional problem. The white South could never have gotten away with as much as it did in terms of white supremacy had there not been a large number of white Northerners who supported racist policies. ...

But again, the war is fought not over racial equality — at least among American whites — but over slavery, the political advantages that white Southerners had because of slavery. The war is about slavery and its political and economic impact on American society, not just Southern society. ...

In fact, most mainstream academics embrace the idea that racism was an American problem, and that Union soldiers went to war in 1861 primarily to save the Union, not to destroy slavery. In other words, the historical stereotype that the neo-Confederates war against basically doesn't exist. ...

In the case of Forrest, neo-Confederates virtually never mention the fact that after the war, he became the first imperial wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The LOS, in fact, recently helped to erect a statue of Forrest, who is seen as a great hero. ...

This is an active attempt to reshape historical memory, an effort by white Southerners to find historical justifications for present-day actions. The neo-Confederate movement's ideologues have grasped that if they control how people remember the past, they'll control how people approach the present and the future.

Ultimately, this is a very conscious war for memory and heritage. It's a quest for legitimacy, the eternal quest for justification. 

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=463
http://civilwarcauses.org/  (not sure about this one but it's just gotta be better than neo-Confederate ideology)

C'mon get over it already, The South is NOT gonna do it again. 

Oh & that reminds me,  "What is the longest ass river in Africa?" 




DUH Nile.

I'm not even going there.

Quote from: Suu on May 11, 2009, 06:16:00 PM
We were having a discussion on Black History Month on the way home from New Jersey amidst the incredible traffic in Connecticut, and then questioned why Canada has a Portuguese History Month and we don't

We do?

Quote from: Iason Ouabache on May 11, 2009, 05:40:34 PM

Quote from: LMNO on May 11, 2009, 04:14:33 PM
This same mentality is what got some dude in Washington fired for using the word "niggardly".

http://www.adversity.net/special/niggardly.htm

Or why an IUPUI janitor was accused of racial harassment for reading a book called "Notre Dame vs. the Klan: How the Fighting Irish Defeated the Ku Klux Klan" while on his break.

http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/9255.html

I know this is totally off-topic, but I have been wondering for YEARS what "IUPUI" stands for.

Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 12, 2009, 03:46:15 AM

Quote from: Iason Ouabache on May 11, 2009, 05:40:34 PM

Quote from: LMNO on May 11, 2009, 04:14:33 PM
This same mentality is what got some dude in Washington fired for using the word "niggardly".

http://www.adversity.net/special/niggardly.htm

Or why an IUPUI janitor was accused of racial harassment for reading a book called "Notre Dame vs. the Klan: How the Fighting Irish Defeated the Ku Klux Klan" while on his break.

http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/9255.html

I know this is totally off-topic, but I have been wondering for YEARS what "IUPUI" stands for.

I believe its Indiana University-Purdue University of Indianapolis

Quote from: Hoopla on May 12, 2009, 03:04:23 AM

Quote from: Suu on May 11, 2009, 06:16:00 PM
We were having a discussion on Black History Month on the way home from New Jersey amidst the incredible traffic in Connecticut, and then questioned why Canada has a Portuguese History Month and we don't

We do?

http://www.iexplore.com/dmap/British+Columbia/Event/17032 Sorry, looks like it's only a Vancouver thing.

Quote from: Suu on May 12, 2009, 04:45:07 AM

Quote from: East Coast Hustle on May 12, 2009, 03:46:15 AM

Quote from: Iason Ouabache on May 11, 2009, 05:40:34 PM

Quote from: LMNO on May 11, 2009, 04:14:33 PM
This same mentality is what got some dude in Washington fired for using the word "niggardly".

http://www.adversity.net/special/niggardly.htm

Or why an IUPUI janitor was accused of racial harassment for reading a book called "Notre Dame vs. the Klan: How the Fighting Irish Defeated the Ku Klux Klan" while on his break.

http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/9255.html

I know this is totally off-topic, but I have been wondering for YEARS what "IUPUI" stands for.

I believe its Indiana University-Purdue University of Indianapolis

Yep.  IU and Purdue share a campus here in Indy. IU has their medical, law, art and dentistry schools here. Purdue just has an extension office.

I now propose - Every day is Sour Grapes Day!   :roll:

Or 15 minutes of fame day?  (thanks Andy, I just knew that would come in handy one day)   :eek:

You too can have your 15 minutes of fame every friggin' day!  sheeeeesh.

 :suu:

You gotta be kidding me?  Thanks for clarifying your position, I just never in a million years would've guessed.  Good Point! 

How unusual. 

My great-great-great grandparents were wealthy plantation owners in North Carolina, and they were black.

Quote from: Suu on May 11, 2009, 04:12:03 PM
http://www.abc6.com/news/rhodeisland/41164627.html

QuoteWhen you hear the word "plantations," what comes to mind? For some people, it's a word that brings up a whole lot of bad memories in Rhode Island's history, and one of the reasons many want the words "Providence Plantations" removed from the states official name.

"I'm black and I don't want it to be called a Plantation cause of slaves and stuff."

Quote from: Nigel on May 15, 2009, 03:41:54 AM
My great-great-great grandparents were wealthy plantation owners in North Carolina, and they were black.

Thanks for your response Nigel. 

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear? 

The thing that really tickled my fancy & set off my bullshit detector was this notion:

QuoteMaybe if people were taught more accurate history instead of the typical American "Slavery and plantations are the really real cause of the Civil War" bullshit, people would have a different opinion.

What, pray tell, is this more accurate version of history?  Is it a secret? 

Or is it a cheap new whine distilled from sour grapes? 

I find it rather interesting that no one questions this "more accurate history".  I am curious & I would like to know just what that means.  Maybe it is meant to be a mystery for only the enlightened ones?

Apparently I am not one of them.

"Inquiry thereby becomes a political act."

Um, can I ask why you're accusing me of sour grapes?

I posted a link, I posted points about such link and allowed a discussion, that is all.

The initial militaristic cause of the actual Civil War was the Confederacy trying to push the Union back off of it's own federal land at Ft. Sumter. Lincoln refused, even after the urging of several advisers, to turn military forts in Confederate territory over peacefully to the Confederates and risked the armed confrontation. It was a platform that he stood on and maintained for quite some time. If Lincoln would have willingly given Union federally-held land to the Confederacy, then there's a chance that the Civil War would have been quite less bloody. It's not too uncommon to hear that Lincoln, who we all admire as being a kickass "A House Divided Cannot Stand" President, was the primary reason for the bloodiest war in American History.

Secession of the Confederacy was brought on primarily by political strife (Such as Stephen Douglas lifting the Missouri Compromise and splitting the Whig Party) and state rights. Slavery was just the icing on the cake.

There was just as much racism and 'illegal' slavery in the North as there was 'legal' in the South, not to mention the Fugitive Slave Act, which from was I recall, remained in place even well during the Underground Railroad.

Once more: Plantation is just a word. Nigel's family owned one, and they were black, so folks pointing the finger and saying "Plantations are a racist thing" are misunderstanding the connotation based on what they know from history. That is all.

Addendum:

This isn't pointing the finger at anyone on this board, as I consider you all intellectual equals. But I've decided to summarize how I think American history must be actually taught right now:


In the beginning, there was Columbus, he was the only one who found America. Ever.
Spanish guys come over, kill Montezuma, and that's why you get diarrhea when you visit Mexico.
Pilgrims are really nice guys and they eat turkey with Indians.
The British are bad, and tax tea, so Paul Revere rides and tells people to fight.
The Revolutionary War The War Against England
George Washington is the first president.
We fight another war against England, but we'll skip that, and talk about the French giving us the Statue of Liberty
Something boring happens...oh right, the Industrial Revolution
Lincoln is elected President, slavery is bad.
The Civil War The War Against Slavery
Something something about carpetbaggers, scalawags, and the railroad. John Wayne movies take place here.
People in Europe are fighting, let's ignore them for a while.
World War I The War for the United States to look Super Cool in the End
Flappers tape their boobs down!
Prohibition happens, but people still make their own alcohol. It's cool to drink, even when you're not allowed.
The gaudy flappers spend all the money, country is broke, everyone is depressed.
Hitler is evil.
Mussolini is evil.
Japan is VERY evil.
World War II The War Against Nazis
Russia is communist! OSHI-
Communism is bad!
Korea is splitting up because of Communism! Let's stop it!
The Korean War The First War Against Communism
Oh fuck shit damn, Communism!
Did I mention Communism was bad? Don't let the Russians do anything! OH FUCK!
Communism in Vietnam?! FUCK!
The Vietnam War (Don't call it a war! We didn't win!) The Second War Against Communism

--Fill in the blanks with "We didn't Start the Fire by Billy Joel"--

Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lybia...shit, if you are an Islamic country, we hate you! Goddamn. You better not be communist! If Russia is helping you we'll bust a cap! GODDAMN!
Wut? Communism over? Booo hisss....need...new...target...
Oh there goes those fucking Islamic countries again, damn!
The Persian Gulf War George Bush Sr. and the not-so-Last Crusade
OJ Simpson's glove didn't fit.
Bill Clinton got a blowjob.
OH SHIT FUCK DAMN TERRORISTS HIT THE TWIN TOWERS OH WTF WE ARE INVINCIBLE!
The War on Terrorism
While we're over there...
The Iraq War George Bush Jr. And the Last Crusade
STOP EVERYTHING: BLACK PRESIDENT ELECTED

History over.

Now class, that's all you need to know for now, here are the answers to the standardized test you need to take so you can pass and I can get a raise. Please study these instead of anything else you'll need to know. Thanks.

Yeah, that's pretty much how I was taught it.

People thought I was a brainiac because I knew about the Articles of Confederation.

Quote from: LMNO on May 15, 2009, 03:12:25 PM
Yeah, that's pretty much how I was taught it.

People thought I was a brainiac because I knew about the Articles of Confederation.

How dare you know anything from those chapters the teacher had you skip!

To be fair, I had no idea what they were about, I just knew they existed.



Plus, if it wasn't covered on Schoolhouse Rock, it wasn't worth knowing, right?

Technically I shouldn't know any of this. I went to school in Florida, which of course, was the only Confederate State to not be formally taken by the Union in the field of battle.

Quote from: LMNO on May 15, 2009, 03:14:24 PM
To be fair, I had no idea what they were about, I just knew they existed.



Plus, if it wasn't covered on Schoolhouse Rock, it wasn't worth knowing, right?

This, and else that is worth knowing will be revealed to you by pop up video.

All history summarised:

1) The good guys won. The bad guys were vanquished. Signed - the good guys

2) Our country invented/discovered all the cool shit. Anything not invented by our country is of little or no significance.

3) Successful revolutionary = hero. Unsuccessful revolutionary = evil terrurist (see #1)

I went to school in Fl too.
Only I refused to believe a damn thing they were teaching me.
I figured out that my teachers were stupid when they would threaten to write me up for asking questions.

So I guess I'm more self taught.
::sigh::

my poor kid.

Quote from: Suu on May 15, 2009, 02:06:51 PM
Um, can I ask why you're accusing me of sour grapes?

I posted a link, I posted points about such link and allowed a discussion, that is all.

The initial militaristic cause of the actual Civil War was the Confederacy trying to push the Union back off of it's own federal land at Ft. Sumter. Lincoln refused, even after the urging of several advisers, to turn military forts in Confederate territory over peacefully to the Confederates and risked the armed confrontation. It was a platform that he stood on and maintained for quite some time. If Lincoln would have willingly given Union federally-held land to the Confederacy, then there's a chance that the Civil War would have been quite less bloody. It's not too uncommon to hear that Lincoln, who we all admire as being a kickass "A House Divided Cannot Stand" President, was the primary reason for the bloodiest war in American History.

Secession of the Confederacy was brought on primarily by political strife (Such as Stephen Douglas lifting the Missouri Compromise and splitting the Whig Party) and state rights. Slavery was just the icing on the cake.

There was just as much racism and 'illegal' slavery in the North as there was 'legal' in the South, not to mention the Fugitive Slave Act, which from was I recall, remained in place even well during the Underground Railroad.

Once more: Plantation is just a word. Nigel's family owned one, and they were black, so folks pointing the finger and saying "Plantations are a racist thing" are misunderstanding the connotation based on what they know from history. That is all.

Thank you for this post.

Quote from: Suu on May 15, 2009, 03:16:08 PM
Technically I shouldn't know any of this. I went to school in Florida, which of course, was the only Confederate State to not be formally taken by the Union in the field of battle.

The geography in Florida is a bitch. It's why the Seminoles were never defeated. I have worked in those black water swamps and they spook the hell out of me. There are THINGS in those places. With teeth and shit. Then the heat combined with the humidity and the mosquitos.

Quote from: Suu on May 15, 2009, 03:09:06 PM
In the beginning, there was Columbus, he was the only one who found America. Ever.
Spanish guys come over, kill Montezuma, and that's why you get diarrhea when you visit Mexico.
Pilgrims are really nice guys and they eat turkey with Indians.
The British are bad, and tax tea, so Paul Revere rides and tells people to fight.
The Revolutionary War The War Against England
George Washington is the first president.
We fight another war against England, but we'll skip that, and talk about the French giving us the Statue of Liberty
Something boring happens...oh right, the Industrial Revolution
Lincoln is elected President, slavery is bad.
The Civil War The War Against Slavery
Something something about carpetbaggers, scalawags, and the railroad. John Wayne movies take place here.
People in Europe are fighting, let's ignore them for a while.
World War I The War for the United States to look Super Cool in the End
Flappers tape their boobs down!
Prohibition happens, but people still make their own alcohol. It's cool to drink, even when you're not allowed.
The gaudy flappers spend all the money, country is broke, everyone is depressed.
Hitler is evil.
Mussolini is evil.
Japan is VERY evil.
World War II The War Against Nazis
Russia is communist! OSHI-
Communism is bad!
Korea is splitting up because of Communism! Let's stop it!
The Korean War The First War Against Communism
Oh fuck shit damn, Communism!
Did I mention Communism was bad? Don't let the Russians do anything! OH FUCK!
Communism in Vietnam?! FUCK!
The Vietnam War (Don't call it a war! We didn't win!) The Second War Against Communism

--Fill in the blanks with "We didn't Start the Fire by Billy Joel"--

Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lybia...shit, if you are an Islamic country, we hate you! Goddamn. You better not be communist! If Russia is helping you we'll bust a cap! GODDAMN!
Wut? Communism over? Booo hisss....need...new...target...
Oh there goes those fucking Islamic countries again, damn!
The Persian Gulf War George Bush Sr. and the not-so-Last Crusade
OJ Simpson's glove didn't fit.
Bill Clinton got a blowjob.
OH SHIT FUCK DAMN TERRORISTS HIT THE TWIN TOWERS OH WTF WE ARE INVINCIBLE!
The War on Terrorism
While we're over there...
The Iraq War George Bush Jr. And the Last Crusade
STOP EVERYTHING: BLACK PRESIDENT ELECTED

History over.

:mittens: :lulz:

What state rights?

I keep hearing this, but nobody seems to be able to name something the federal government actually did that violated state's rights prior to the secession.

The right to pass their own laws regarding the legality of slavery was the main one.

Quote from: Nigel on May 15, 2009, 07:09:55 PM
The right to pass their own laws regarding the legality of slavery was the main one.

This was also a large economic issue. Everyone wanted cheap cotton and tobacco, but no one wanted to realize the ugly underbelly involved. The right of secession was also a player. The battle lines were ultimately drawn between free and slave states.

Quote from: Hawk on May 15, 2009, 07:16:47 PM

Quote from: Nigel on May 15, 2009, 07:09:55 PM
The right to pass their own laws regarding the legality of slavery was the main one.

This was also a large economic issue. Everyone wanted cheap cotton and tobacco, but no one wanted to realize the ugly underbelly involved. The right of secession was also a player. The battle lines were ultimately drawn between free and slave states.

Oh, yeah. The economic factor was definitely the driving reason behind slavery itself.

My family owned slaves (little-known underbelly of black land ownership in the south) and, for that matter, white land owners often had white, native, and Asian slaves as well as black ones. Slavery was an economic and class establishment, not, at its outset, a racial one. There are some very complex factors behind the gradual racialization of slavery, probably best left to another thread.

Quote from: Hawk on May 15, 2009, 07:16:47 PM

Quote from: Nigel on May 15, 2009, 07:09:55 PM
The right to pass their own laws regarding the legality of slavery was the main one.

This was also a large economic issue. Everyone wanted cheap cotton and tobacco, but no one wanted to realize the ugly underbelly involved. The right of secession was also a player. The battle lines were ultimately drawn between free and slave states.

So, it wasn't about slavery it was about the state's right to pass laws about slavery?   :?

Quote from: Iason Ouabache on May 16, 2009, 12:51:15 AM

Quote from: Hawk on May 15, 2009, 07:16:47 PM

Quote from: Nigel on May 15, 2009, 07:09:55 PM
The right to pass their own laws regarding the legality of slavery was the main one.

This was also a large economic issue. Everyone wanted cheap cotton and tobacco, but no one wanted to realize the ugly underbelly involved. The right of secession was also a player. The battle lines were ultimately drawn between free and slave states.

So, it wasn't about slavery it was about the state's right to pass laws about slavery?   :?

This is where the sophistry & sour grapes comes in.

No longer interested in this one either.  I said my piece.

Quote from: Iason Ouabache on May 16, 2009, 12:51:15 AM

Quote from: Hawk on May 15, 2009, 07:16:47 PM

Quote from: Nigel on May 15, 2009, 07:09:55 PM
The right to pass their own laws regarding the legality of slavery was the main one.

This was also a large economic issue. Everyone wanted cheap cotton and tobacco, but no one wanted to realize the ugly underbelly involved. The right of secession was also a player. The battle lines were ultimately drawn between free and slave states.

So, it wasn't about slavery it was about the state's right to pass laws about slavery?   :?

Slavery was enshrined in the Confederate Constitution.  Even if an individual state had wanted to abolish slavery, further down the line, it couldn't have.

Quote from: Iason Ouabache on May 16, 2009, 12:51:15 AM

Quote from: Hawk on May 15, 2009, 07:16:47 PM

Quote from: Nigel on May 15, 2009, 07:09:55 PM
The right to pass their own laws regarding the legality of slavery was the main one.

This was also a large economic issue. Everyone wanted cheap cotton and tobacco, but no one wanted to realize the ugly underbelly involved. The right of secession was also a player. The battle lines were ultimately drawn between free and slave states.

So, it wasn't about slavery it was about the state's right to pass laws about slavery?   :?

It was far more in depth than that. States wanted the right to control taxation, wages, work hours, anything having to do with labor, and yes, slavery was included ON BOTH SIDES OF THE MASON-DIXON. These issues ripped Congress in half for quite some time, even prior to secession.

Abolition was sort of a touchy-feely subject nationwide, including the North, where slaves were still being used (albeit illegally in some places) to run machines in factories.

Long story short, it came more down to the politics between industrial urban sprawls and rural farmland, their rights of law-making and various tax breaks. The Union used the abolition of slavery as their chief platform of wartime propaganda, which, and I quote Richter, would have riled every 20-something hipster in Boston with a rifle and sent them to get on their blues.

Honey, there is a wealth of information at your fingertips, and I'm sorry that you may have been misinformed. If you have any questions or would like any recommendations as to literature outside of a high school history book, I'd love to point you in the right direction.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=76

QuoteThe new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men. The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=254

QuoteConfederates during the Civil War had no problem whatsoever in associating their cause with the protection of slavery and a system of white supremacy which they thought was inherent in the Confederate world order. The Confederates of 1861-65 were much more honest about the importance of slavery than are the neo-Confederates of today.

In a famous address [known to historians as the "Cornerstone Speech"], the vice president of the Confederacy, Alexander Stephens, said in 1861 that "slavery is the cornerstone of the Confederacy." And as late as 1865, Robert E. Lee, who's often cited by neo-Confederates as an opponent of slavery, claimed that while blacks and whites were together in the South, their best relationship would be that of master and slave.

A great many Southerners were directly or indirectly involved in slavery — they were either slaveholders, members of slaveholding families, or involved in business enterprises that depended upon slavery for their prosperity.

Some neo-Confederates talk about differing federal policies toward the North and the South, but again those federal policies — especially if they concern the South — have to do with the support of slavery, the acquisition of new territory which would be open to slaveholders, a tariff policy which favored the North.

QuoteRacism against African-Americans was a national problem, not a regional problem. The white South could never have gotten away with as much as it did in terms of white supremacy had there not been a large number of white Northerners who supported racist policies.

But now neo-Confederates say, "Well, you guys were racist, too, and in fact the real racism is in the North." And at the same time, they say, "There is no racism in the South." Well, you really can't have it both ways.

But again, the war is fought not over racial equality — at least among American whites — but over slavery, the political advantages that white Southerners had because of slavery. The war is about slavery and its political and economic impact on American society, not just Southern society.

Southerners are very much aware when they support secession in 1860-61 that they are seceding to protect slavery and white supremacy — and that that is something that should interest not only slaveholders but also non-slaveholding whites.

The neo-Confederates construct an "other" of mainstream academic scholarship that supposedly says that the North fought to end slavery and that the South was uniquely racist. But you don't find a lot of mainstream scholars who embrace any of that.

In fact, most mainstream academics embrace the idea that racism was an American problem, and that Union soldiers went to war in 1861 primarily to save the Union, not to destroy slavery. In other words, the historical stereotype that the neo-Confederates war against basically doesn't exist.

Quote from: Suu on May 16, 2009, 02:23:22 PM

Quote from: Iason Ouabache on May 16, 2009, 12:51:15 AM

Quote from: Hawk on May 15, 2009, 07:16:47 PM

Quote from: Nigel on May 15, 2009, 07:09:55 PM
The right to pass their own laws regarding the legality of slavery was the main one.

This was also a large economic issue. Everyone wanted cheap cotton and tobacco, but no one wanted to realize the ugly underbelly involved. The right of secession was also a player. The battle lines were ultimately drawn between free and slave states.

So, it wasn't about slavery it was about the state's right to pass laws about slavery?   :?

It was far more in depth than that. States wanted the right to control taxation, wages, work hours, anything having to do with labor, and yes, slavery was included ON BOTH SIDES OF THE MASON-DIXON. These issues ripped Congress in half for quite some time, even prior to secession.

Abolition was sort of a touchy-feely subject nationwide, including the North, where slaves were still being used (albeit illegally in some places) to run machines in factories.

Long story short, it came more down to the politics between industrial urban sprawls and rural farmland, their rights of law-making and various tax breaks. The Union used the abolition of slavery as their chief platform of wartime propaganda, which, and I quote Richter, would have riled every 20-something hipster in Boston with a rifle and sent them to get on their blues.

Honey, there is a wealth of information at your fingertips, and I'm sorry that you may have been misinformed. If you have any questions or would like any recommendations as to literature outside of a high school history book, I'd love to point you in the right direction.

1. Economic and social differences between the North and the South.

With Eli Whitney's invention of the cotton gin in 1793, cotton became very profitable. This machine was able to reduce the time it took to separate seeds from the cotton. However, at the same time the increase in the number of plantations willing to move from other crops to cotton meant the greater need for a large amount of cheap labor, i.e. slaves. Thus, the southern economy became a one crop economy, depending on cotton and therefore on slavery. On the other hand, the northern economy was based more on industry than agriculture. In fact, the northern industries were purchasing the raw cotton and turning it into finished goods. This disparity between the two set up a major difference in economic attitudes. The South was based on the plantation system while the North was focused on city life. This change in the North meant that society evolved as people of different cultures and classes had to work together. On the other hand, the South continued to hold onto an antiquated social order.

2. States versus federal rights.

Since the time of the Revolution, two camps emerged: those arguing for greater states rights and those arguing that the federal government needed to have more control. The first organized government in the US after the American Revolution was under the Articles of Confederation. The thirteen states formed a loose confederation with a very weak federal government. However, when problems arose, the weakness of this form of government caused the leaders of the time to come together at the Constitutional Convention and create, in secret, the US Constitution. Strong proponents of states rights like Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry were not present at this meeting. Many felt that the new constitution ignored the rights of states to continue to act independently. They felt that the states should still have the right to decide if they were willing to accept certain federal acts. This resulted in the idea of nullification, whereby the states would have the right to rule federal acts unconstitutional. The federal government denied states this right. However, proponents such as John C. Calhoun fought vehemently for nullification. When nullification would not work and states felt that they were no longer respected, they moved towards secession.

3. The fight between Slave and Non-Slave State Proponents.

As America began to expand, first with the lands gained from the Louisiana Purchase and later with the Mexican War, the question of whether new states admitted to the union would be slave or free. The Missouri Compromise passed in 1820 made a rule that prohibited slavery in states from the former Louisiana Purchase the latitude 36 degrees 30 minutes north except in Missouri. During the Mexican War, conflict started about what would happen with the new territories that the US expected to gain upon victory. David Wilmot proposed the Wilmot Proviso in 1846 which would ban slavery in the new lands. However, this was shot down to much debate. The Compromise of 1850 was created by Henry Clay and others to deal with the balance between slave and free states, northern and southern interests. One of the provisions was the fugitive slave act that was discussed in number one above. Another issue that further increased tensions was the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854. It created two new territories that would allow the states to use popular sovereignty to determine whether they would be free or slave. The real issue occurred in Kansas where proslavery Missourians began to pour into the state to help force it to be slave. They were called "Border Ruffians." Problems came to a head in violence at Lawrence Kansas. The fighting that occurred caused it to be called "Bleeding Kansas." The fight even erupted on the floor of the senate when antislavery proponent Charles Sumner was beat over the head by South Carolina's Senator Preston Brooks.

4. Growth of the Abolition Movement.

Increasingly, the northerners became more polarized against slavery. Sympathies began to grow for abolitionists and against slavery and slaveholders. This occurred especially after some major events including: the publishing of Harriet Beecher Stowe's Uncle Tom's Cabin, the Dred Scott Case, John Brown's Raid, and the passage of the fugitive slave act that held individuals responsible for harboring fugitive slaves even if they were located in non-slave states.

5. The election of Abraham Lincoln.

Even though things were already coming to a head, when Lincoln was elected in 1860, South Carolina issued its "Declaration of the Causes of Secession." They believed that Lincoln was anti-slavery and in favor of Northern interests. Before Lincoln was even president, seven states had seceded from the Union: South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas.

http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civilwarmenu/a/cause_civil_war.htm

QuotePlayer Queen: 
Both here and hence pursue me lasting strife,
If once I be a widow, ever I be a wife!

Player King:
'Tis deeply sworn. Sweet, leave me here a while,
My spirits grow dull, and fain I would beguile
The tedious day with sleep.

Player Queen:
Sleep rock thy brain,
And never come mischance between us twain!

Hamlet:
Madam, how like you this play?

Queen:
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Hamlet Act 3, scene 2, 222–230

(ok sorry - just couldn't resist)

Suu?  I'm not interested in turning anyone into a cliché, alright? 

You simply can't be surprised some people are not going to agree with you on this?  & I fail to comprehend what a person's ancestors, descent, genealogy or whatever has to do with whether or not they agree with you?

I, personally, know very little about my genealogy & don't know why you seem to think this comes into play here (in the present day, that is).  My experiences & observations do not equate.  If this means anything, I'm dark & can pass for multitudes, people often think I'm from where they're from.  If someone asks, I share what I do know, the thing is, I don't give a flying fuck one way or another.

I, personally, don't agree with you & I'm not quite sure how genealogy comes into play here.  Let's just leave it alone for now, ok?  I appreciate you took the time to elaborate.  Thanks & respect. 

QuoteStates wanted the right to control taxation, wages, work hours, anything having to do with labor,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the states already have that at the time?

Quote from: Honey on May 16, 2009, 09:16:59 PM

QuotePlayer Queen: 
Both here and hence pursue me lasting strife,
If once I be a widow, ever I be a wife!

Player King:
'Tis deeply sworn. Sweet, leave me here a while,
My spirits grow dull, and fain I would beguile
The tedious day with sleep.

Player Queen:
Sleep rock thy brain,
And never come mischance between us twain!

Hamlet:
Madam, how like you this play?

Queen:
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Hamlet Act 3, scene 2, 222–230

(ok sorry - just couldn't resist)

Suu?  I'm not interested in turning anyone into a cliché, alright? 

You simply can't be surprised some people are not going to agree with you on this?  & I fail to comprehend what a person's ancestors, descent, genealogy or whatever has to do with whether or not they agree with you?

I, personally, know very little about my genealogy & don't know why you seem to think this comes into play here (in the present day, that is).  My experiences & observations do not equate.  If this means anything, I'm dark & can pass for multitudes, people often think I'm from where they're from.  If someone asks, I share what I do know, the thing is, I don't give a flying fuck one way or another.

I, personally, don't agree with you & I'm not quite sure how genealogy comes into play here.  Let's just leave it alone for now, ok?  I appreciate you took the time to elaborate.  Thanks & respect. 

I'm not saying anything about your genealogy. You're reading too much into this. Nigel just wanted to point out a neat fact about her family.

I simply started this thread because I thought the news story was idiotic. I pointed out that the word 'plantation' is unnecessarily scarred in the minds of people due to historical connotations, and you took it to the next step. I don't intend for everyone to agree with me, shit, there's people on Amazon.com arguing over whether or not ancient history is real for Christ's sake, and there's enough controversy with modern history that I should have even known better to attempt to present a valid argument for the Civil War BESIDES slavery.

I'm sorry I hit a nerve with you. Believe your historical facts, and I'll believe mine.

Quote from: Requia on May 16, 2009, 09:56:46 PM

QuoteStates wanted the right to control taxation, wages, work hours, anything having to do with labor,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the states already have that at the time?

Not as much as compared to what they have now. There were later amendments that allowed further lawmaking.

Quote from: Suu on May 11, 2009, 06:31:08 PM
My friend called me a Wop, so I retaliated and called him a Gee. Then he punched me.  :|

wtf is a gee?

I got banned from leaving a comment on that page.  All I wrote was:

$$ misspent to impeach for a blow job? A little further on down the road, we don't think twice (imagine DUH nile) in swallowing lies re: non-existent WMDs leading to wars where torture, violence & much collateral damage is brushed off as hordes of good ole boys being patriotic? Long story short – Quit your whining!  Change the name, it's dumb. Aside from the Freudian illusion to the smallest state insisting on the longest name, that is. Or keep your cheap new whine distilled from sour grapes.   

Honey, traveling thru

Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on May 19, 2009, 07:33:25 PM

Quote from: Suu on May 11, 2009, 06:31:08 PM
My friend called me a Wop, so I retaliated and called him a Gee. Then he punched me.  :|

wtf is a gee?

Portuguese.

First of all:

Honey. Oh my shite. enough is enough. Really, I can only remain silent for so long before the dull biting pain of your stupidity begins to rot away at the tissue of my cerebral cortex. Honestly, it almost feels like my brain is going to turn into Yorkshire pudding and slowly ebb away through my foramen magnum, out my mouth, and on to my keyboard when i read your horrifically Mal-formed ideas of American history.

Honestly, I can cull much better VOLUMES of information from the pages of a GOLDEN BOOK! Remember Golden Books? Pokey Little Puppy, Mother Goose, even Goodnight House!

I apologize, truly apologize, for the volatile nature of this post. But if I have to abide sullying my computer screen with another one of your posts aimed at sating your own need for seeing your words in digital print, then I feel that a toaster bath is imminent on my part.

Your posts give me life cancer in a way that I have never known before.

Truly, a malignant blight on the face of this fair message board.

Yours Forever,

General Seumais Stuart.

Secondly,

Suu,
We prefer to be called portch-monkeys.

Thanks.

 :lulz: 

"You're very creative. I bet you're very popular with your dungeons & dragons friends."  Ooooooh Puhleeeeze!  Don't hold anything back either kind Sir.  Bully for You!   

You can kiss my sweet ass.  :kiss:  :kiss:  :kiss: 


Please note:  it's as real as day & so are my titties.  I've been told they're beeeeeyuuuuuuuutttteeee(hee)ful! 
(I'm betting TGGR would just love'em!)

Hugs & Kisses,
a malignant blight on the face of this fair message board

xoxox

Quote from: General Stuart on May 20, 2009, 04:08:25 AM
First of all:

Honey. Oh my shite. enough is enough. Really, I can only remain silent for so long before the dull biting pain of your stupidity begins to rot away at the tissue of my cerebral cortex. Honestly, it almost feels like my brain is going to turn into Yorkshire pudding and slowly ebb away through my foramen magnum, out my mouth, and on to my keyboard when i read your horrifically Mal-formed ideas of American history.

Honestly, I can cull much better VOLUMES of information from the pages of a GOLDEN BOOK! Remember Golden Books? Pokey Little Puppy, Mother Goose, even Goodnight House!

I apologize, truly apologize, for the volatile nature of this post. But if I have to abide sullying my computer screen with another one of your posts aimed at sating your own need for seeing your words in digital print, then I feel that a toaster bath is imminent on my part.

Your posts give me life cancer in a way that I have never known before.

Truly, a malignant blight on the face of this fair message board.

Yours Forever,

General Seumais Stuart.

Secondly,

Suu,
We prefer to be called portch-monkeys.

Thanks.

Honey, in case you were wondering, that is what an insult looks like.


LMNO
-still insulted that you were insulted.

Don't be hatin', she's just here to laugh and stir shit.  Not that it's much different than what we all do. 
In her case, I'm thinking the grasp of social conext to know when to stop is lacking.

There's also some failure to fit her sentiments into type, like her drawn out expressions of exasperation.  These are really only effective in IRL disscussion, if then, and just make people sound like pissed soccer moms.

Why any of us should care about T n' A we'll never see / verify the presence of, I'm lost on.

I care, deeply.  What are we talking about again? 

I'm not sure, I think it's...

(http://smjw.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/tna-logo-professional-wrestling-123479_1024_768.jpg)


But I could be wrong.

Whoa, now that's some big T N A. 

OK, it's sinking in now.  Thanks man.

Quote from: LMNO on May 20, 2009, 12:59:58 PM

Quote from: General Stuart on May 20, 2009, 04:08:25 AM
First of all:

Honey. Oh my shite. enough is enough. Really, I can only remain silent for so long before the dull biting pain of your stupidity begins to rot away at the tissue of my cerebral cortex. Honestly, it almost feels like my brain is going to turn into Yorkshire pudding and slowly ebb away through my foramen magnum, out my mouth, and on to my keyboard when i read your horrifically Mal-formed ideas of American history.

Honestly, I can cull much better VOLUMES of information from the pages of a GOLDEN BOOK! Remember Golden Books? Pokey Little Puppy, Mother Goose, even Goodnight House!

I apologize, truly apologize, for the volatile nature of this post. But if I have to abide sullying my computer screen with another one of your posts aimed at sating your own need for seeing your words in digital print, then I feel that a toaster bath is imminent on my part.

Your posts give me life cancer in a way that I have never known before.

Truly, a malignant blight on the face of this fair message board.

Yours Forever,

General Seumais Stuart.

Secondly,

Suu,
We prefer to be called portch-monkeys.

Thanks.

Honey, in case you were wondering, that is what an insult looks like.


LMNO
-still insulted that you were insulted.

Wow...this is what happens when I go to bed early and my computer is jacked.

wtf

Quote from: Suu on May 11, 2009, 04:12:03 PM
(I just saw this, even though it's 2 months old...)

http://www.abc6.com/news/rhodeisland/41164627.html

QuoteWhen you hear the word "plantations," what comes to mind? For some people, it's a word that brings up a whole lot of bad memories in Rhode Island's history, and one of the reasons many want the words "Providence Plantations" removed from the states official name.

All this is showing is the ignorance of people in this state and country.

"I'm black and I don't want it to be called a Plantation cause of slaves and stuff."

Providence Plantations was the original name of the mainland colony, and Rhode Island was a different colony, now where Newport/Middletown/Portsmouth is. Fuck, I'm not even a native of this state and I know this. Maybe if people were taught more accurate history instead of the typical American "Slavery and plantations are the really real cause of the Civil War" bullshit, people would have a different opinion.

Seriously, we have an unemployment rate of 11%, and our government is bankrupt, so let's spend money changing the NAME instead of doing something to help our failing State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations.

And people wonder why I want to get the fuck out of here. Rhody =  :horrormirth:

Hawk,
putting the train back on the track.

Quote from: Richter on May 20, 2009, 01:21:35 PM
Don't be hatin', she's just here to laugh and stir shit.  Not that it's much different than what we all do. 
In her case, I'm thinking the grasp of social conext to know when to stop is lacking.

There's also some failure to fit her sentiments into type, like her drawn out expressions of exasperation.  These are really only effective in IRL disscussion, if then, and just make people sound like pissed soccer moms.

Why any of us should care about T n' A we'll never see / verify the presence of, I'm lost on.

Because we are all geeky men who have never seen a woman naked before, of course, and thus are deeply impressed/stricken with longing by the fact that she is female and has tits and a cunt.

Ahem.  There are no women on the Internet.

Truth. Therefore Honey's alleged sweet t its and ass are fictional; therefore moot. Have you seen my 20-sided die?

I think i saw it next to the first edition of Fiend Folio.

Schrodinger's Balls Principle:  Genitals, body parts, or physical dimesions claimed to on the internet neither exist or don't exist because there are no pics.  Further, possibility that the pics were shopped makes the anatomy even less likely.  I can tell because of the pixels, and from seening quite a few shoops in my time.

Quote from: Richter on May 20, 2009, 03:45:14 PM
Schrodinger's Balls Principle:  Genitals, body parts, or physical dimesions claimed to on the internet neither exist or don't exist because there are no pics.  Further, possibility that the pics were shopped makes the anatomy even less likely.  I can tell because of the pixels, and from seening quite a few shoops in my time.

:lulz:

Please tell me someone has Urban Dictionaried this.

I made it up just now.  Feel free too, props assigned to "Richter". :thanks:

Quote from: Nigel on May 20, 2009, 03:41:14 PM
Truth. Therefore Honey's alleged sweet t its and ass are fictional; therefore moot. Have you seen my 20-sided die?

The Jig is up ladies (?maybe?) and gentlemen!

Honey is actually a bot.

Sent here from the future.

By Skynet.

Her primary function: To annoy.
Her mission: To further the belief in her fictional sweet tits and ass.

But herein lies her fatal flaw: The want of self-destruction!

Honey wants us to discover she doesn't really exist, thus causing a paradox resultant in a rapidly growing event horizon that will swallow existence as we know it.

In short: SHE CROSSED THE FUCKING STREAMS!

I have found a flaw in your theory:


Only men can "cross their streams".

Quote from: LMNO on May 20, 2009, 04:18:24 PM
I have found a flaw in your theory:


Only men can "cross their streams".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap40zSO4vh0&NR=1

But you already said there were no women on the internet...cogito ergo...Honey is a man. No flaw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR9awhhGMxE&feature=related

Quote from: General Stuart on May 20, 2009, 04:28:09 PM
But you already said there were no women on the internet...cogito ergo...Honey is a man. No flaw.

CURSES!  :argh!:

Quote from: Hawk on May 20, 2009, 04:28:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR9awhhGMxE&feature=related

How come nobody thought of that shit a long time ago?

Consider your plot foiled, sir.

:thanks:

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 20, 2009, 04:31:02 PM

Quote from: Hawk on May 20, 2009, 04:28:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR9awhhGMxE&feature=related

How come nobody thought of that shit a long time ago?

Good question.

They totally have. They've been marketed in the backs of magazines at various points in time for at least the last 25 years.

Quote from: Suu on May 11, 2009, 04:22:06 PM
Plantation is just a word, much like the swastika is just a symbol, but in the end, it's only the negative connotations that stick in the mind.

Maybe it's not so much as education anymore, because any teacher could talk ad nauseam about the history of something. It's how most people actually THINK and absorb information is what needs to be changed.

"Most people actually think"???

Quote from: Nigel on May 20, 2009, 09:14:06 PM
They totally have. They've been marketed in the backs of magazines at various points in time for at least the last 25 years.

I saw an ad for these being lampooned somewhere ages ago... maybe Brunching Shuttlecocks?

Quote from: General Stuart on May 20, 2009, 04:16:37 PM

Quote from: Nigel on May 20, 2009, 03:41:14 PM
Truth. Therefore Honey's alleged sweet t its and ass are fictional; therefore moot. Have you seen my 20-sided die?

The Jig is up ladies (?maybe?) and gentlemen!

Honey is actually a bot.

Sent here from the future.

By Skynet.

Her primary function: To annoy.
Her mission: To further the belief in her fictional sweet tits and ass.

But herein lies her fatal flaw: The want of self-destruction!

Honey wants us to discover she doesn't really exist, thus causing a paradox resultant in a rapidly growing event horizon that will swallow existence as we know it.

In short: SHE CROSSED THE FUCKING STREAMS!

Being totally unfamiliar with these (lame ass) tricky Internet traditions, so please help to illuminate?

Apparently it is OKAY to ask someone to show you their titties?

However, it is NOT OKAY to admit having titties or to speak about them at all?  (Don't ask & don't friggin' tell?  Is this what y'mean you rigid & overbearing, not to mention boring (ok I just did - go ahead & sue me) little prick?)

& what the hell is this drivel about "Women do not exist on the Internet"?  (Or is this a primo example of that fucked up dungeons & dragons jargon I (again personally) know nothing about?)

Do y'mean to say if women are turned into clichéd caricatures on the Internet, this means they cease to exist?  As in Poof!  & is THAT what this tricky discordian magic is all about?  Hmm, this buuuuuuuullshit is way too confusing for a poor girl like ... (oops & did I just say THAT out loud? – I should be spanked (dammitt) for offending the tradition, a bloody sacrilege too! inappropriate boundaries & all that kinda stuff?)

Holy Shit!  This gender idiocy nearly has me up the proverbial shit's creek!  WTF?  I better just stfu & listen to the Wise One^tm aka that prick I quoted up there ^.

& btw?  YOU CAN KISS MY SWEET LITTLE ASS.

Or (& THIS is the bloody more likely scenario) is this all just a "bait & switch" marketing trick of some kind?  Let's just pretend this is all about me (my titties do just so happen to be real & so am I) instead of whining about the good ole daze with the good ole boys? 

Y'know what?  I don't give a flying fuck.  You're a good ole boy – go ahead & roar! *sputter*

YOU CAN (still) KISS MY SWEET LITTLE ASS

oh. my. gawd. SHUT UP ALREADY

Quote from: Fred Noodle on May 22, 2009, 12:29:42 AM
oh. my. gawd. SHUT UP ALREADY

I hear ya & feel the same way.  I ...     

Ahhem this is not about me.

Quote from: Suu on May 11, 2009, 04:12:03 PM
(I just saw this, even though it's 2 months old...)

http://www.abc6.com/news/rhodeisland/41164627.html

QuoteWhen you hear the word "plantations," what comes to mind? For some people, it's a word that brings up a whole lot of bad memories in Rhode Island's history, and one of the reasons many want the words "Providence Plantations" removed from the states official name.

All this is showing is the ignorance of people in this state and country.

"I'm black and I don't want it to be called a Plantation cause of slaves and stuff."

Providence Plantations was the original name of the mainland colony, and Rhode Island was a different colony, now where Newport/Middletown/Portsmouth is. Fuck, I'm not even a native of this state and I know this. Maybe if people were taught more accurate history instead of the typical American "Slavery and plantations are the really real cause of the Civil War" bullshit, people would have a different opinion.

Seriously, we have an unemployment rate of 11%, and our government is bankrupt, so let's spend money changing the NAME instead of doing something to help our failing State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations.

And people wonder why I want to get the fuck out of here. Rhody =  :horrormirth:

I can't even get into that article anymore, it has apparently *vanished*.  Ancient history!  Who is speaking when they say "I'm black and I don't want it to be called a Plantation cause of slaves and stuff."

Oh & yeah I guess I'm just bein' a killjoy.   :roll:

Quote
Holy Shit!  This gender idiocy nearly has me up the proverbial shit's creek!  WTF?  I better just stfu & listen to the Wise One^tm aka that prick I quoted up there ^.

[/quote]

Y'know what?  I don’t give a flying fuck.  You’re a good ole boy – go ahead & roar! *sputter*

YOU CAN (still) KISS MY SWEET LITTLE ASS
[/quote]

Wow. Just. Wow.

Apparently, you do give a flying fuck.

This post went on and on like Rachael Ray spouting off about the virtues of lard.

I must have struck a nerve.
Do your nerves hurt?
I hope they do.
Stop stinking up my internet.

Anyway, here's a coffee cup i found for you, hope ya choke:

(http://rlv.zcache.com/pull_up_your_big_girl_panties_and_deal_with_it_mug-p168828945374358644trhr_400.jpg)

ok this is what I learned - I can say - tl;dr -  if I wanna prove I'm American :crankey: or I can say,

"Good things *do* come in small packages, dear. And in short durations."

Thanks Dearest!  I'm goin' to sleep now!  Pleasant dreams! 

(Not wearin' panties atm but thanks for your concern!)

nowhere in that rambling assertion of your own ineptitude did you manage to make any coherent point.
congratulations, you've won today's prize:

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Quote from: Honey on May 22, 2009, 01:16:19 AM

Quote from: Suu on May 11, 2009, 04:12:03 PM
(I just saw this, even though it's 2 months old...)

http://www.abc6.com/news/rhodeisland/41164627.html

QuoteWhen you hear the word "plantations," what comes to mind? For some people, it's a word that brings up a whole lot of bad memories in Rhode Island's history, and one of the reasons many want the words "Providence Plantations" removed from the states official name.

All this is showing is the ignorance of people in this state and country.

"I'm black and I don't want it to be called a Plantation cause of slaves and stuff."

Providence Plantations was the original name of the mainland colony, and Rhode Island was a different colony, now where Newport/Middletown/Portsmouth is. Fuck, I'm not even a native of this state and I know this. Maybe if people were taught more accurate history instead of the typical American "Slavery and plantations are the really real cause of the Civil War" bullshit, people would have a different opinion.

Seriously, we have an unemployment rate of 11%, and our government is bankrupt, so let's spend money changing the NAME instead of doing something to help our failing State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations.

And people wonder why I want to get the fuck out of here. Rhody =  :horrormirth:

I can't even get into that article anymore, it has apparently *vanished*.  Ancient history!  Who is speaking when they say "I'm black and I don't want it to be called a Plantation cause of slaves and stuff."

Oh & yeah I guess I'm just bein' a killjoy.   :roll:

honey I say this as a fellow new yorker (we new yorkers gotta stick together I hear)
and at the risk of getting involved in this nonsense,
take a deeeeeep breath.  :)

I don't think suu was expressing her own opinion with that quote. I'm pretty sure she was describing the kind of attitude that makes her want to move out of rhode island. Is that what you're angry about? Is it possible this is a miscommunication?


same with the lmno thing - I know he offended you, but he wasn't trying to. He was trying to compliment you. and you went offfff on him. I'm not sure he deserved that.
and here I suspect you might be putting words in Suu's mouth as well.

And I'm really confused as to why you're trying to prove you're a real woman, I don't recall anybody calling that into question.

Not trying to be mean or anything! I'm honestly trying to figure out what's going on here!  :?





Gen Stuart - so are you, like, Suu's attack dog?

Quote from: General Stuart on May 20, 2009, 04:16:37 PM

Quote from: Nigel on May 20, 2009, 03:41:14 PM
Truth. Therefore Honey's alleged sweet t its and ass are fictional; therefore moot. Have you seen my 20-sided die?

The Jig is up ladies (?maybe?) and gentlemen!

Honey is actually a bot.

Sent here from the future.

By Skynet.

Her primary function: To annoy.
Her mission: To further the belief in her fictional sweet tits and ass.

But herein lies her fatal flaw: The want of self-destruction!

Honey wants us to discover she doesn't really exist, thus causing a paradox resultant in a rapidly growing event horizon that will swallow existence as we know it.

In short: SHE CROSSED THE FUCKING STREAMS!

they were riffing on that old joke: There are no girls on the internet, only guys pretending to be girls. I think that was kind of a tangent anyway.

you were telling us about your tits and ass back on page five, prior to anybody accusing you of being a bot or whatever.



but it's cool - nobody really thinks you're a bot.


       it sounds like you're really ticked off, and there's nothing I can do about that if that's what you want

but realize you are escalating these emotions for yourself, ya know?



http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/45.php

QuoteDo you have the patience to wait
   +   
   +   till your mud settles and the water is clear?
   +   
   +   Can you remain unmoving
   +   
   +   till the right action arises by itself?
   +   
   +   
   +   The Master doesn't seek fulfillment.
   +   
   +   Not seeking, not expecting,
   +   
   +   she is present, and can welcome all things.

Well, me and Fred are definitely not women on the Internet, we're good ol' boys.

Gotta go, I have a D&D game to catch.

Lemme get this straight - Honey comes on the internets and then gets all butthurt and complainey cos we're all acting as if we was on the internets?

word of advice:
When in Rome - do what the romans do
When on the internets - forget you're even fucking human

:lulz:

Quote from: Cramulus on May 22, 2009, 02:40:55 AM

honey I say this as a fellow new yorker (we new yorkers gotta stick together I hear)
and at the risk of getting involved in this nonsense,
take a deeeeeep breath.  :)

Y'know what I like best about being a New Yorker?  ANYONE can be one.  You can be born here, you can move here, you are WELCOME to come & visit or, well, just do whatever you want to do & be whoever you want to be.

It's no elitist country club. 

& Fred & Nigel?  I meant no offense to you.  I'm sorry if that's how it came out.  I was directing my remarks to that little prick. 

I'm done in this thread & can't leave a comment on that page.  I'm going away tonight for the long weekend.  Fire Island.  Sun & Sea & Surf & Wind.  That always helps me when I feel this way.  Real life seems a better option for me at this point than customs I fail to understand.

Thanks for the advice P3nT4gR4m.

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 22, 2009, 10:43:11 AM
Lemme get this straight - Honey comes on the internets and then gets all butthurt and complainey cos we're all acting as if we was on the internets?

word of advice:
When in Rome - do what the romans do
When on the internets - forget you're even fucking human

:lulz:

:potd:

Quote from: Iason Ouabache on May 22, 2009, 05:47:03 PM

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 22, 2009, 10:43:11 AM
Lemme get this straight - Honey comes on the internets and then gets all butthurt and complainey cos we're all acting as if we was on the internets?

word of advice:
When in Rome - do what the romans do
When on the internets - forget you're even fucking human

:lulz:

:potd:

you beat me to it
"When in Rome - do what the romans do
When on the internets - forget you're even fucking human"
NEWS FEED..

Quote from: Cramulus on May 22, 2009, 02:40:55 AM


Gen Stuart - so are you, like, Suu's attack dog?

Don't you like when noobs get involve with drama before they reach even 50 posts

He's Suu's new boyfriend.


And he plays the banjo.

THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT TOAST!

(http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/bites/burnttoast.jpg)

BLACK TOAST

(http://www.marthahull.com/pictures/larger_pics/website%20food/website_sized/toast_burned_web.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cRenq9frNLs/RXn9NFBm4EI/AAAAAAAAABo/SP1EKovMwqA/s400/mypapercrane.jpg)

JESUS!!
(http://brainwagon.org/images/jesus_toast.jpg)
he's my poker buddy.

That toast is racist, for portraying Jesus as the white man devil.

Honey: Shut up. You're not making yourself look any better.

Everyone else: Shut up. You're not helping her understand.

Forget this thread, I'm sorry I tried to be sarcastic and evidently epically failed.

I now return to capitalizing off of Anime fans and drinking Sailor Jerry.

fuck toast
LONG LIVE BAGELS!

FOR FUCK'S SAKE

I ignored this thread for two days and this is what happens? This place looks like an elephant shit napalm all over the thread.

Since I picked this thread up again like 5 pages ago, this is the only post I understand:

Quote from: Thurnez Isa on May 22, 2009, 08:11:47 PM
fuck toast
LONG LIVE BAGELS!

And I completely agree.

ENGLISH MUFFINS OR GTFO!!!!!!!
(http://www.recipetips.com/images/recipe/bread/whole_wheat_english_muffins.jpg)

Bialys will kick your ass!

(http://bialys.com/images/products/detail/Bialys02.jpg)

Fuck that shit! Bear claws for life!!!

(http://www.slowtrav.com/blog/sandrac/bearclaws.JPG)

(http://www.blogofhilarity.com/waffles.jpeg)!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Human_Feces.jpg)

JESUS FUCK!  :x

Hey Suu,
I really enjoyed this thread and thank you for posting it.  I have to admit that I could do a lot better with my knowledge of American History and Bill Bryson isn't really cuttin' it for me anymore.  It's just too bad that emotional baggage had to get in the way of what would have been an otherwise really enlightening thread.  But that's usually the case when there is actually something of substance to talk about. 

Thanks for the meaty topic ,
Burns

I actually liked this thread till Honey started crying in it for no reason that I could see.

Yeah, that's right, I said it.
What.

So I posted toast, hoping to get a "fuck you Squid" and everybody goes back on topic.

So yes, it is ridiculous for people to want the word "plantation" taken out of a name for racial sensitivities.
It's as dumb as the "this shit isn't a black hole it's a honkey hole" argument.
Which I'm still laughin at because of how fucking stupid it is.

I've enjoyed this thread,all around. My posts especially.

Quote from: Suu on May 22, 2009, 08:00:37 PM
Honey: Shut up. You're not making yourself look any better.

Everyone else: Shut up. You're not helping her understand.

Forget this thread, I'm sorry I tried to be sarcastic and evidently epically failed.

I now return to capitalizing off of Anime fans and drinking Sailor Jerry.

Nice Waffle!  I never told you to shut up, I asked for clarification.  I'm not interested in making myself look any better.

I give up trying to understand any of this for now.  I arrived here with great interest mainly because a failure to understand often piques my interest.  Looking closer, asking questions & evaluating ideas will, many times, offer clues to understanding.  Dividing a concept or idea into smaller pieces will do the same thing & the cleavage, many times, leads to different thoughts to pursue & puzzle or even nuzzle.  Then the same process of shaping & re-shaping.  That happens.  No one thing takes the place of a process.

That didn't happen here. 

There are many things I don't understand but I do know what I like & I always enjoy learning more & understanding better.

The explanations offered here were inadequate to further my understanding; these things remain an enigma to me. 

& when does "poisoning the well" ever add anything new?

Maybe you should learn how to communicate more effectively on the internet instead of using quoted posts with bolded phrases as half of your responses, or you know, jumping to conclusions.

Quote from: Honey on May 25, 2009, 02:13:59 PM

Quote from: Suu on May 22, 2009, 08:00:37 PM
Honey: Shut up. You're not making yourself look any better.

Everyone else: Shut up. You're not helping her understand.

Forget this thread, I'm sorry I tried to be sarcastic and evidently epically failed.

I now return to capitalizing off of Anime fans and drinking Sailor Jerry.

Nice Waffle!  I never told you to shut up, I asked for clarification.  I'm not interested in making myself look any better.

I give up trying to understand any of this for now.  I arrived here with great interest mainly because a failure to understand often piques my interest.  Looking closer, asking questions & evaluating ideas will, many times, offer clues to understanding.  Dividing a concept or idea into smaller pieces will do the same thing & the cleavage, many times, leads to different thoughts to pursue & puzzle or even nuzzle.  Then the same process of shaping & re-shaping.  That happens.  No one thing takes the place of a process.

That didn't happen here. 

There are many things I don't understand but I do know what I like & I always enjoy learning more & understanding better.

The explanations offered here were inadequate to further my understanding; these things remain an enigma to me. 

& when does "poisoning the well" ever add anything new?

Jesus Christ, what does this post even mean? The angrier you get the more incomprehensible you become.

You're taking offense at every little thing in this thread. Why? You got mad at one thing; does that make it impossible for you to calm down and look at things rationally?


Check it out kids, it's IANAR Lite!

Maybe I'll continue to be real in real life.  Thanks for the advice.

Quote from: Honey on May 25, 2009, 02:13:59 PM


Nice Waffle! 

I thought so.

Quote from: Risus on May 25, 2009, 03:18:06 PM

Quote from: Honey on May 25, 2009, 02:13:59 PM


Nice Waffle! 

I thought so.

I MAED EM MAHSELF!!
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2266/2430569837_fb9254b39e.jpg?v=0)

(http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/HawkShadowsoul/Bamaemergengyroom.jpg)

Quote from: Hawk on May 28, 2009, 05:00:51 PM
http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/HawkShadowsoul/Bamaemergengyroom.jpg

Nice italics you got there.

Quote from: LMNO on May 28, 2009, 05:02:26 PM

Quote from: Hawk on May 28, 2009, 05:00:51 PM
http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/HawkShadowsoul/Bamaemergengyroom.jpg

Nice italics you got there.

Fixed.

(http://datatype.homestead.com/hairpull23.jpg)

Quote from: Squid on May 28, 2009, 06:33:54 PM
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You can find crazy things on the innertubes.  :lulz:

S'why I like this thing bettah.
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Quote from: Squid on May 25, 2009, 06:10:03 PM

Quote from: Risus on May 25, 2009, 03:18:06 PM

Quote from: Honey on May 25, 2009, 02:13:59 PM


Nice Waffle!  

I thought so.

I MAED EM MAHSELF!!
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2266/2430569837_fb9254b39e.jpg?v=0)

AN' I HE'PED!

(http://fattychow.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/friedchicken.jpg)

all i can think about is the seafood boil tomorrow for my birthday...pics to follow...maybe.

Quote from: B_R|S on May 30, 2009, 08:11:35 PM
all i can think about is the seafood boil tomorrow for my birthday...pics to follow...maybe.

We did that for Mother's Day.  Everyone loved it.

Quote from: LMNO on May 22, 2009, 05:57:22 PM
He's Suu's new boyfriend.


And he plays the banjo.

Yep.

Bump for potential sources for Requia...that and the bullshit Honey spouted.

OMFG!! Honey has one hell of a case of E-Penis envy, I think.

"I'm Honey, and I'm more than just a hot body, I'm wickit smaht too! Look at my MASSIVE BRAIN-DICK! Wait, you don't find what I say to be wickit smaht? Well, then, LOOK AT MY TITS AND ASS!"

Fucking fail so fucking hard.

Srsly, tho. Good read. Aside from Honey's (bad) verbal posturing.

I totally forgot about Honey.

I just read the whole thread and I still don't remember Honey. Did she exist outside of this thread?

Yes, and attacked everyone else too.

honey and ruby... I think they would be friends.

...I actually thought they were perhaps the same person.  Had the same babbling way of repeating the same bullshit and rolling eyes emoticon.  BEEZARRO

I had to do an ip check... Honey's ip resolves to New York, Ruby's resolves to California. BLAST, that would make so much sense.

Twins separated at conception...

Quote from: Cramulus on October 12, 2010, 03:58:18 PM
I had to do an ip check... Honey's ip resolves to New York, Ruby's resolves to California. BLAST, that would make so much sense.

I didn't think they sounded the same at all.

On the other hand, Honey was always nice to me, so I probably wouldn't have seen it.

Honey was always nice to me as well, but I can see a similarity in writing style, if nothing else.

BTW, back to the OP...

This issue, the Providence Plantations one, is on the ballot to be removed. I'm voting NO.

Quote from: Doktor Princess on October 12, 2010, 04:33:38 PM
BTW, back to the OP...

This issue, the Providence Plantations one, is on the ballot to be removed. I'm voting NO.

What?

Hawk,
lost in space.

Read the OP.

The full name of RI is "The State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations", as we were once 2 separate colonies.

Blacks in RI want it removed because they think it's racist, since plantations OBVIOUSLY had black slaves. ALL OF THEM. During ALL TIME PERIODS.

No, goddamnit, NO! GET OUT A MOTHERFUCKING DICTIONARY!

Quote from: Doktor Princess on October 12, 2010, 04:37:51 PM
Read the OP.

The full name of RI is "The State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations", as we were once 2 separate colonies.

Blacks in RI want it removed because they think it's racist, since plantations OBVIOUSLY had black slaves. ALL OF THEM. During ALL TIME PERIODS.

No, goddamnit, NO! GET OUT A MOTHERFUCKING DICTIONARY!

Gotcha. Christ, how much is that gonna cost to get done?

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 12, 2010, 04:40:02 PM

Quote from: Doktor Princess on October 12, 2010, 04:37:51 PM
Read the OP.

The full name of RI is "The State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations", as we were once 2 separate colonies.

Blacks in RI want it removed because they think it's racist, since plantations OBVIOUSLY had black slaves. ALL OF THEM. During ALL TIME PERIODS.

No, goddamnit, NO! GET OUT A MOTHERFUCKING DICTIONARY!

Gotcha. Christ, how much is that gonna cost to get done?

We're already bankrupt. It doesn't matter.

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 12, 2010, 04:40:02 PM

Quote from: Doktor Princess on October 12, 2010, 04:37:51 PM
Read the OP.

The full name of RI is "The State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations", as we were once 2 separate colonies.

Blacks in RI want it removed because they think it's racist, since plantations OBVIOUSLY had black slaves. ALL OF THEM. During ALL TIME PERIODS.

No, goddamnit, NO! GET OUT A MOTHERFUCKING DICTIONARY!

Gotcha. Christ, how much is that gonna cost to get done?

Yeah, that's kinda my thinking:  can't RI legislators find something worthier to spend money on?  Geez.

Quote from: Jenne on October 12, 2010, 04:47:14 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 12, 2010, 04:40:02 PM

Quote from: Doktor Princess on October 12, 2010, 04:37:51 PM
Read the OP.

The full name of RI is "The State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations", as we were once 2 separate colonies.

Blacks in RI want it removed because they think it's racist, since plantations OBVIOUSLY had black slaves. ALL OF THEM. During ALL TIME PERIODS.

No, goddamnit, NO! GET OUT A MOTHERFUCKING DICTIONARY!

Gotcha. Christ, how much is that gonna cost to get done?

Yeah, that's kinda my thinking:  can't RI legislators find something worthier to spend money on?  Geez.

Nope. We have Obamabucks™ paying to fix our roads right now, so what little state money we have can get blown on pointless shit like this. Soon we'll get a monorail...

Oh that reminds me, when ARE they going to finish those train stations so I can take the fucking commuter rail to New York?!

Ugh.  I'm sure there are plenty of public schools and county health care systems that could use that $ to better effect.

Quote from: Jenne on October 12, 2010, 05:10:09 PM
Ugh.  I'm sure there are plenty of public schools and county health care systems that could use that $ to better effect.

Please stop with the common sense. There is no call for that.

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 12, 2010, 05:11:12 PM

Quote from: Jenne on October 12, 2010, 05:10:09 PM
Ugh.  I'm sure there are plenty of public schools and county health care systems that could use that $ to better effect.

Please stop with the common sense. There is no call for that.

STATE GOVERNMENTS

HOW DO THEY FUCKING WORK

Quote from: Jenne on October 12, 2010, 05:10:09 PM
Ugh.  I'm sure there are plenty of public schools and county health care systems that could use that $ to better effect.

Now now, we only have one of the worst schools in the NATION in the Providence school district, and none of the schools have art or music. They don't need money.

Quote from: Jenne on October 12, 2010, 05:15:40 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 12, 2010, 05:11:12 PM

Quote from: Jenne on October 12, 2010, 05:10:09 PM
Ugh.  I'm sure there are plenty of public schools and county health care systems that could use that $ to better effect.

Please stop with the common sense. There is no call for that.

STATE GOVERNMENTS

HOW DO THEY FUCKING WORK

Based on current evidence... NOT WELL.

Here we go again.

Let me say this: I have lived here for the last 28 years, and whether or not they have "plantations" attached to the name doesn't really matter to me, still going to vote no on it. In fact: I never call it by it's hifalluten modern-misnomer. The official title is an anachronism, and I've always heard people refer to it as simply RHODE ISLAND. Trust me, when referencing the early days of the state, all of the professors, teachers, instructors, and armchair historians will still refer to it by its antiquated title, and offer it up to all the kiddies who want extra credit on their term papers.

Voting no is sure to be popular among all the pseudo-intellectuals who live downtown and like to call everything "Kafka-esque", "Freudian". and "Bourgeois". They'll be happy when this "crisis" blows over and they can get back to whatever other high brow cause they were taking up.

Quote from: Doktor Princess on October 12, 2010, 04:37:51 PM
Read the OP.

The full name of RI is "The State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations", as we were once 2 separate colonies.

Blacks in RI want it removed because they think it's racist, since plantations OBVIOUSLY had black slaves. ALL OF THEM. During ALL TIME PERIODS.

No, goddamnit, NO! GET OUT A MOTHERFUCKING DICTIONARY!

Blacks? Really?

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 12, 2010, 07:54:29 PM

Quote from: Doktor Princess on October 12, 2010, 04:37:51 PM
Read the OP.

The full name of RI is "The State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations", as we were once 2 separate colonies.

Blacks in RI want it removed because they think it's racist, since plantations OBVIOUSLY had black slaves. ALL OF THEM. During ALL TIME PERIODS.

No, goddamnit, NO! GET OUT A MOTHERFUCKING DICTIONARY!

Blacks? Really?

In Rhode Island?

:lulz:

I looked it up and it looks like it's mostly just two people pushing this now-extinct "controversy"; a white college professor and a black church leader.

Here's an article from 2000 and two from last year:

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=carolinas_company_the_slave_legacy_controversy_in_new_england
http://www.examiner.com/history-landmarks-travel-in-national/state-of-rhode-island-name-change-controversy
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/us/30rename.html?_r=1&hp

That line about "ignorance of ignorance" made me :lulz: in the context of this thread.

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 12, 2010, 08:02:31 PM
I looked it up and it looks like it's mostly just two people pushing this now-extinct "controversy"; a white college professor and a black church leader.

You mean there are no angry masses?

(http://www.superpoop.com/101708/civil-disobedience.jpg)

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 12, 2010, 08:02:31 PM
I looked it up and it looks like it's mostly just two people pushing this now-extinct "controversy"; a white college professor and a black church leader.

All the media is showing is interviews with black people.


...Either that or I'm a racist cunt, right?

Quote from: Charley Brown on October 12, 2010, 07:55:21 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 12, 2010, 07:54:29 PM

Quote from: Doktor Princess on October 12, 2010, 04:37:51 PM
Read the OP.

The full name of RI is "The State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations", as we were once 2 separate colonies.

Blacks in RI want it removed because they think it's racist, since plantations OBVIOUSLY had black slaves. ALL OF THEM. During ALL TIME PERIODS.

No, goddamnit, NO! GET OUT A MOTHERFUCKING DICTIONARY!

Blacks? Really?

In Rhode Island?

:lulz:

It's more likely than you think.


-Suu
Minority in her neighborhood.

Quote from: Sir Digby Chicken Caesar! on October 12, 2010, 08:37:11 PM

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 12, 2010, 08:02:31 PM
I looked it up and it looks like it's mostly just two people pushing this now-extinct "controversy"; a white college professor and a black church leader.

You mean there are no angry masses?

(http://www.superpoop.com/101708/civil-disobedience.jpg)

No, the angry masses are the hipsters "mourning" the deaths of gays they didn't know on the state house grounds this weekend. Don't they know that gay rights activism is soooo 2001? It's all about the state name now. How ironic.

I really think this is a non-issue. Shouldn't Rhode Island worry more about its deficit, or its unemployment rate, or something more beneficial to its common good than making this "problem" the number one thing on the docket? Seriously, there are many more problems plaguing this state that if voted on would improve them than screaming "DAT'S WACIST" when you go to vote.

SMOKE AND MIRRORS.

Rhode Islanders need to separate the bullshit from the important issues and vote accordingly. This is not a voting issue.

Quote from: Sir Digby Chicken Caesar! on October 13, 2010, 02:42:50 PM
I really think this is a non-issue. Shouldn't Rhode Island worry more about its deficit, or its unemployment rate, or something more beneficial to its common good than making this "problem" the number one thing on the docket? Seriously, there are many more problems plaguing this state that if voted on would improve them than screaming "DAT'S WACIST" when you go to vote.

SMOKE AND MIRRORS.

Rhode Islanders need to separate the bullshit from the important issues and vote accordingly. This is not a voting issue.

Sure it is. We have a minority running for mayor of Providence (and by minority I mean NOT Italian), and they're filming the Prince of Providence downstairs on Washington St. as we speak. They're trying to get as much attention as possible.

You've lived here all your life, I've only lived here for less than a quarter of that and I already know damn well the state does this shit for science.

Like I said, this can be voted on, after everything else gets voted on.

Quote from: Sir Digby Chicken Caesar! on October 13, 2010, 02:59:01 PM
Like I said, this can be voted on, after everything else gets voted on.

WHERE'S MY TRAIN?! I WANT MY GODDAMN TRAIN ALREADY!

Quote from: Doktor Princess on October 13, 2010, 03:04:28 PM

Quote from: Sir Digby Chicken Caesar! on October 13, 2010, 02:59:01 PM
Like I said, this can be voted on, after everything else gets voted on.

WHERE'S MY TRAIN?! I WANT MY GODDAMN TRAIN ALREADY!

SEE?!

There ya go, that's somewhat of a more important issue. Public transit. So, VOTE ACCORDINGLY.

Quote from: Sir Digby Chicken Caesar! on October 13, 2010, 02:42:50 PM
I really think this is a non-issue. Shouldn't Rhode Island worry more about its deficit, or its unemployment rate, or something more beneficial to its common good than making this "problem" the number one thing on the docket? Seriously, there are many more problems plaguing this state that if voted on would improve them than screaming "DAT'S WACIST" when you go to vote.

SMOKE AND MIRRORS.

Rhode Islanders need to separate the bullshit from the important issues and vote accordingly. This is not a voting issue.

Right off, agreed on your point.  People OUGHT to be more worried.

They aren't though.  They're mercurial and frivolous things, and when handed the ability to make their own bed are doing so ass backwards.  (not even commenting on quality.)  

We can see it happening, and noisemake on the subject easily enough.  Feel like doing somethng to seperate outselves from the moaning hipsters?

Quote from: Doktor Princess on October 13, 2010, 03:04:28 PM

Quote from: Sir Digby Chicken Caesar! on October 13, 2010, 02:59:01 PM
Like I said, this can be voted on, after everything else gets voted on.

WHERE'S MY TRAIN?! I WANT MY GODDAMN TRAIN ALREADY!

Ennrico Salazar and Doktor Alphapance.  Paging Enrico Salazar and Doktor Alphapance.

Quote from: Richter on October 13, 2010, 03:07:37 PM

Quote from: Sir Digby Chicken Caesar! on October 13, 2010, 02:42:50 PM
I really think this is a non-issue. Shouldn't Rhode Island worry more about its deficit, or its unemployment rate, or something more beneficial to its common good than making this "problem" the number one thing on the docket? Seriously, there are many more problems plaguing this state that if voted on would improve them than screaming "DAT'S WACIST" when you go to vote.

SMOKE AND MIRRORS.

Rhode Islanders need to separate the bullshit from the important issues and vote accordingly. This is not a voting issue.

Right off, agreed on your point.  People OUGHT to be more worried.

They aren't though.  They're mercurial and frivolous things, and when handed the ability to make their own bed are doing so ass backwards.  (not even commenting on quality.)  

We can see it happening, and noisemake on the subject easily enough.  Feel like doing somethng to seperate outselves from the moaning hipsters?

I think I'm going to go downtown with a big sign that says, "Screw this noise, can't we just merge with New Hampshire already? I want tax-free booze and guns."

...what day is this going down?

Quote from: Sir Digby Chicken Caesar! on October 13, 2010, 03:07:37 PM

Quote from: Doktor Princess on October 13, 2010, 03:04:28 PM

Quote from: Sir Digby Chicken Caesar! on October 13, 2010, 02:59:01 PM
Like I said, this can be voted on, after everything else gets voted on.

WHERE'S MY TRAIN?! I WANT MY GODDAMN TRAIN ALREADY!

SEE?!

There ya go, that's somewhat of a more important issue. Public transit. So, VOTE ACCORDINGLY.

I don't LIKE paying $2 a fucking bus ride only to have them cut lines. It's all we have. We have half-finished train stations at TF Green and Wickford so the MBTA commuter rail can connect with the MTA line in New London which will be HUGE for people traveling from Boston to New York...And I've heard NOTHING about when that's going to be finished.

Sure, they knocked out the I-Way in like...what? A 5th of the time as the Big Dig? So what?!

Quote from: Richter on October 13, 2010, 03:24:03 PM
...what day is this going down?

I don't know, the dead gay day thing is this weekend, but I'll be in NH/VT buying tax-free booze and helping Jen's sis move from Conway to Bolton.

Stop bitching.

Shut up and vote.

Everybody.

Quote from: Richter on October 13, 2010, 03:08:32 PM

Quote from: Doktor Princess on October 13, 2010, 03:04:28 PM

Quote from: Sir Digby Chicken Caesar! on October 13, 2010, 02:59:01 PM
Like I said, this can be voted on, after everything else gets voted on.

WHERE'S MY TRAIN?! I WANT MY GODDAMN TRAIN ALREADY!

Ennrico Salazar and Doktor Alphapance.  Paging Enrico Salazar and Doktor Alphapance.

Dammit, you stole my line.

Here's the train that nobody voted on:

(http://iam7545.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/a-train-wrecks-accidents-241.jpg)

Oh goddamnit.

See what happens when all you do is bitch and not do anything about it?\

Trainwreck.

Quote from: Sir Digby Chicken Caesar! on October 13, 2010, 04:39:47 PM
See what happens when all you do is bitch and not do anything about it?\

Trainwreck.

Watch out, Sir Digby--them words is activism round these parts...no one likes you advocating voting or any dirty business...beware, BEWARE!

You're right.

Back to doing what we do best:

(http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web04/2009/5/28/21/rabbits-are-lazy-12704-1243562076-12.jpg)

BUNNAY!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

Bump.

But really just for this gem:

Quote from: Your Evil Stepmother on May 15, 2009, 03:09:06 PM
Addendum:

This isn't pointing the finger at anyone on this board, as I consider you all intellectual equals. But I've decided to summarize how I think American history must be actually taught right now:


In the beginning, there was Columbus, he was the only one who found America. Ever.
Spanish guys come over, kill Montezuma, and that's why you get diarrhea when you visit Mexico.
Pilgrims are really nice guys and they eat turkey with Indians.
The British are bad, and tax tea, so Paul Revere rides and tells people to fight.
The Revolutionary War The War Against England
George Washington is the first president.
We fight another war against England, but we'll skip that, and talk about the French giving us the Statue of Liberty
Something boring happens...oh right, the Industrial Revolution
Lincoln is elected President, slavery is bad.
The Civil War The War Against Slavery
Something something about carpetbaggers, scalawags, and the railroad. John Wayne movies take place here.
People in Europe are fighting, let's ignore them for a while.
World War I The War for the United States to look Super Cool in the End
Flappers tape their boobs down!
Prohibition happens, but people still make their own alcohol. It's cool to drink, even when you're not allowed.
The gaudy flappers spend all the money, country is broke, everyone is depressed.
Hitler is evil.
Mussolini is evil.
Japan is VERY evil.
World War II The War Against Nazis
Russia is communist! OSHI-
Communism is bad!
Korea is splitting up because of Communism! Let's stop it!
The Korean War The First War Against Communism
Oh fuck shit damn, Communism!
Did I mention Communism was bad? Don't let the Russians do anything! OH FUCK!
Communism in Vietnam?! FUCK!
The Vietnam War (Don't call it a war! We didn't win!) The Second War Against Communism

--Fill in the blanks with "We didn't Start the Fire by Billy Joel"--

Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lybia...shit, if you are an Islamic country, we hate you! Goddamn. You better not be communist! If Russia is helping you we'll bust a cap! GODDAMN!
Wut? Communism over? Booo hisss....need...new...target...
Oh there goes those fucking Islamic countries again, damn!
The Persian Gulf War George Bush Sr. and the not-so-Last Crusade
OJ Simpson's glove didn't fit.
Bill Clinton got a blowjob.
OH SHIT FUCK DAMN TERRORISTS HIT THE TWIN TOWERS OH WTF WE ARE INVINCIBLE!
The War on Terrorism
While we're over there...
The Iraq War George Bush Jr. And the Last Crusade
STOP EVERYTHING: BLACK PRESIDENT ELECTED

History over.

Now class, that's all you need to know for now, here are the answers to the standardized test you need to take so you can pass and I can get a raise. Please study these instead of anything else you'll need to know. Thanks.

Suu
-Putting that in her "book".


Also: The state name change was voted down. We are still The State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations. They finished the train station at the airport, but it doesn't go any further south and only runs like 3 times a day. So, fuck it.

Also, General Stuart proves ITT how much of a douchebag he is, but I still lol'd at what he did to Honey.