Blarg!
Sheer Genius!
Great exlanation of discordian values!
I've always been breaking systems and causing discord
since the day I was born and I refused to stay in one occupation
just because I had the schooling or training. I've
been a nurse, truck driver (CDL), machine operator (with a ponytail)
and now I'm a phone psychic Tarot reader.
The only reason I haven't talked about or reported
the mind-fucking things I do or have done is because
I'm a very rebellious person (in a nice kind of way)
and someone on the board once told me to report things,
so I didn't.
Also some of the things I've done are not extremely law abiding
and I have kids who don't want to visit me in jail, and I don't
want to live in the same jail as my ex husband.
But I still enjoy a good three word story.
I did appreciate your rant and your intelligence.
A toast to Eris!
:twisted:
This is madly brilliant, Roger. Didn't piss me off at all and made me think.
Come to think of it, I don't think you ever have pissed me off. Sorry about that. There's a little voice in my head that keeps saying "for gawds sake, don't admit to that or he'll just try harder."
A lot of this makes sense to me, especially the part about us being system/organization busters. My father used to tell Demonica and I that we were born with rebellious souls, and for once Daddy was right. Imagine our joy when we wandered in here and found a whole forum filled with the peoples of discord and chaos. It's fun, but there is also an exchange of energy that doesn't happen for me when communicating with the "normals".
I love three word game, but realize it's just for fun and it's not the reason I'm really here. And as for the principia...it's great fun too, but it warns us continually over and over not to believe what we read. Duh! I warn my clients to take what I tell them with a grain of salt....and mean it. I assume the author of the principia also meant what he said. Or not. Daddy was a professional con artist and I hope I have the smarts to recognize a load of shit when I see one - even when it's a good load of shit that has a very profound underlying message of freedom and self determination. Not to mention that the principia is an excellent satire on the whole of idea of holy scripture.
The danger I see in the Principia (or any other source of authority) is that it can be taken seriously and that simply sets us up with a whole new organzation, which then needs to be broken down. And we start all over again and it's a lot of work. I hate work.
PS: Demonica mentioned in her post that she doesn't talk much about her off-line exploits...she just lives it. She's been causing chaos since she was two years old and beat the living hell out of the neighborhood bully and then blamed it on me. I try to follow her example. My point is that just because some of people don't talk about "jakes" (I hate that word) doesn't mean they aren't out there screwing things up to the best of their ability. Who the hell says we have to report anyway? I don't wanna get caught so there's no way I'm gonna put some of my stuff up here.
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomMy point is that just because some of people don't talk about "jakes" (I hate that word) doesn't mean they aren't out there screwing things up to the best of their ability. Who the hell says we have to report anyway? I don't wanna get caught so there's no way I'm gonna put some of my stuff up here.
1. I'm not wild about the word, either. It is, however, in common use here. I prefer the acronym "FUBAR" (Fuck Up Beyond All Repair).
2. Brag thy sins, so that others may try them.
3. They haven't caught ME yet...
This was, of course, inspired by Tao's rather ridiculous attempt to rebuke me for improper Groupthink(tm).
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomMy point is that just because some of people don't talk about "jakes" (I hate that word) doesn't mean they aren't out there screwing things up to the best of their ability. Who the hell says we have to report anyway? I don't wanna get caught so there's no way I'm gonna put some of my stuff up here.
1. I'm not wild about the word, either. It is, however, in common use here. I prefer the acronym "FUBAR" (Fuck Up Beyond All Repair).
2. Brag thy sins, so that others may try them.
3. They haven't caught ME yet...
This was, of course, inspired by Tao's rather ridiculous attempt to rebuke me for improper Groupthink(tm).
1. I love FUBAR and use it to describe my life about half the time.
2a. Only people who work in law enforcement or at the courthouse may try most of the particular sins I had in mind.
2b. I swear I had nothing to do with the recent onslaught of pamphlets titled "How to Survive a Raptor Attack", which mysteriously appeared on cars all over town.
2c. Demonica's husband did not go insane and end up in the nuthouse fer nothing. She may or may not have put a giant sign in the window of their home in Utah which read..."Happy Fucking Easter".
3. I hope they never do.
4. I figured that was the inspiration.
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomShe may or may not have put a giant sign in the window of their home in Utah which read..."Happy Fucking Easter".
3. I hope they never do.
4. I figured that was the inspiration.
2. I'm working on a "They detained Santa!" campaign.
3. TOP OF THE WORLD, MA! EAT LEAD, FED!
4. I found it hilarious, but also felt that a "serious" answer was necessary. Not that Tao spends a lot of time in this neck of the woods...
There are also those of us who are spiritualists about the whole thing...
Some of us are firmly tied to this world and it's many idosynchrocies, others of us are intent of imbuing meaning and purpose behind our iconoclastic actions. Well hell to you that's probably a load of shit, and yes I've been really tired of your antics lately. Hell yes the Yahoo's thing was a great riot, but no... I'm not going to sign onto your trip and see the world from anywhere near your particular vantage point anytime soon.
I'l say this Roger. Eris doesn't care a shit about anything. She'll wiper her ass with your choice of holy books and bed her lover on your choice of flags. Your precious constitution? It's her napkin at a pork ribs night. Sure, Yes. I like what you have to say even when I disagree with it, but you and I will never agree on this particular issue.
Quote from: Phantom TrollaxThere are also those of us who are spiritualists about the whole thing...
Some of us are firmly tied to this world and it's many idosynchrocies, others of us are intent of imbuing meaning and purpose behind our iconoclastic actions. Well hell to you that's probably a load of shit, and yes I've been really tired of your antics lately. Hell yes the Yahoo's thing was a great riot, but no... I'm not going to sign onto your trip and see the world from anywhere near your particular vantage point anytime soon.
I'l say this Roger. Eris doesn't care a shit about anything. She'll wiper her ass with your choice of holy books and bed her lover on your choice of flags. Your precious constitution? It's her napkin at a pork ribs night. Sure, Yes. I like what you have to say even when I disagree with it, but you and I will never agree on this particular issue.
1. Bah. New-Agey bullshit.
2. Tired of my antics? Which antics? I'm trying to accentuate my style, you see.
3. WHAT constitution? :lol:
Rev Roger,
Can be pissed on, but not pissed off.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomShe may or may not have put a giant sign in the window of their home in Utah which read..."Happy Fucking Easter".
3. I hope they never do.
4. I figured that was the inspiration.
2. I'm working on a "They detained Santa!" campaign.
3. TOP OF THE WORLD, MA! EAT LEAD, FED!
4. I found it hilarious, but also felt that a "serious" answer was necessary. Not that Tao spends a lot of time in this neck of the woods...
"They detained Santa" is great!
Don't let Bella fool you. I'm a meek conformist compared
to her exploits of discord.
I can't tell you most of them, but she once singlehandedly
imploded the entire contents of a milk truck.
Torched her hair in school (don't try this at home).
On a more serious note I do feel sorry for reducing my ex's
reality to rubble along with his mind. I didn't really mean to
do it, I just can't always behave. :evil:
Quote from: Duchess DemonicaOn a more serious note I do feel sorry for reducing my ex's
reality to rubble along with his mind. :evil:
No, ya don't.
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Duchess DemonicaOn a more serious note I do feel sorry for reducing my ex's
reality to rubble along with his mind. :evil:
No, ya don't.
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
:twisted:
Quote from: Duchess DemonicaQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Duchess DemonicaOn a more serious note I do feel sorry for reducing my ex's
reality to rubble along with his mind. :evil:
No, ya don't.
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
:twisted:
LOVE the Orrin Hatch quote, BTW. He has LONG been my favorite politician to hate.
Actually, you almost have to admire the man. He may be an idiot, but he's a DRIVEN idiot.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Duchess DemonicaQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Duchess DemonicaOn a more serious note I do feel sorry for reducing my ex's
reality to rubble along with his mind. :evil:
No, ya don't.
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
:twisted:
LOVE the Orrin Hatch quote, BTW. He has LONG been my favorite politician to hate.
Actually, you almost have to admire the man. He may be an idiot, but he's a DRIVEN idiot.
Confession time.....around our family we call the man "Cousin Orrin".
He's a blood relative. Even his own family loves to hate him.
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Duchess DemonicaQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Duchess DemonicaOn a more serious note I do feel sorry for reducing my ex's
reality to rubble along with his mind. :evil:
No, ya don't.
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
:twisted:
LOVE the Orrin Hatch quote, BTW. He has LONG been my favorite politician to hate.
Actually, you almost have to admire the man. He may be an idiot, but he's a DRIVEN idiot.
Confession time.....around our family we call the man "Cousin Orrin".
He's a blood relative. Even his own family loves to hate him.
You're related to Orrin "anything for a laugh" Hatch? :lol:
My condolences. Is he really THAT tight-assed, or is that just the camera? I've seen speed freaks that look more relaxed than he does. When he gets preaching about flag burning and the PATRIOT Act, I reach for the popcorn. The man is a stone-crazy MANIAC.
GREAT entertainment!
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Duchess DemonicaQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Duchess DemonicaOn a more serious note I do feel sorry for reducing my ex's
reality to rubble along with his mind. :evil:
No, ya don't.
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
:twisted:
LOVE the Orrin Hatch quote, BTW. He has LONG been my favorite politician to hate.
Actually, you almost have to admire the man. He may be an idiot, but he's a DRIVEN idiot.
Thank you......................... It came to me in a vision :twisted:
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of Doom
Confession time.....around our family we call the man "Cousin Orrin".
He's a blood relative. Even his own family loves to hate him.
He's evil cousin Orrin.............fer sure fer sure.........
Orrin is just .....ummm.....Orrin.
The Hatches are actually pretty nutz.
Completely rebellious, discordian type jack Mormons. Orrin's the white sheep of the family.
I haven't a clue where he came from or how he manages to be so stuffy coming from a family like ours.
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomOrrin is just .....ummm.....Orrin.
The Hatches are actually pretty nutz.
Completely rebellious, discordian type jack Mormons. Orrin's the white sheep of the family.
I haven't a clue where he came from or how he manages to be so stuffy coming from a family like ours.
Double recessives kicking in?
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomOrrin is just .....ummm.....Orrin.
The Hatches are actually pretty nutz.
Completely rebellious, discordian type jack Mormons. Orrin's the white sheep of the family.
I haven't a clue where he came from or how he manages to be so stuffy coming from a family like ours.
Double recessives kicking in?
Yup, we're from Utah, remember?
Lots of double cousins in the family trees in Utah.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerLet me start off by stating that Malaclypse the Younger is ... alive and well, and living in Cleveland, Ohio.
Second, his book, Principia Discordia is gibberish. Utter rot.
Okay. (Mr. Thornley is dead and well cold by now, just BTW.) I'm still a happy rule-following weekend Discordian wannabe stuck in the pages of the Principia who still has problems eating hot dog buns because I don't know any better.
Sure, I could fake the rhetoric and even convince myself to walk the talk so I could get with the 'in' crowd.
Fact is, I'm just some kid raised by New Age dusk-squeezers who deeply desires to hug a tree, be nice to everyone and curl up with a tasty drink somewhere where the nasty monsters won't get him.
I don't think I had a point.
Oh yeah - I
did have a point and it wasn't to do with hippie existential angst.
<ahem>
Since when did opposition equal discord? For that matter, since when did destruction equal discord? When did entropy equal discord?
Quote from: Guido FinucciWhen did entropy equal discord?
Heh - since the rest of the world naturally tends toward entropy, does that mean the "real discordians" need to start spreading rejuvenation? :twisted:
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerBeware, O ye of little faith, for the things I am about to say will piss thee off to no fucking end.
Let me start off by stating that Malaclypse the Younger is, and always has been a fraud. That's right. Bogus. Phoney. His real name is Kerry Thornley, and he did NOT "walk into the ocean" thirty years ago. He is alive and well, and living in Cleveland, Ohio.
Second, his book, Principia Discordia is gibberish. Utter rot. It has two or three good jokes in it, and one (1) good idea. It's basically an acid rant that reads like the end of a Robert Anton Wilson novel...which is to say, it's garbage. The one good idea, of course, being that you should think for yourself. Obviously, some backsliders like to quote it and/or insist that people act according to its "teachings" if they want to be a "true" Discordian.
Obviously bullshit.
In fact, this false prophet and his teachings have led countless Discordians astray. They have been led to believe that, to be a discordian, one must act as if one was tripping, even when NOT under the influence of psychadelic drugs. It has led people to believe that Eris is some demented aspect of Bacchus, where we all focus on having a good time. Poetry, games, inebriation, etc.
Sorry, wrong Gawd.
Eris is the goddess of DISCORD. Take a minute, and look that word up. I'll wait.
Back now? Good, we'll continue.
DISCORDianism. The adherence to, and spreading of, DISCORD. Tear the filthy thing down. Smash it, and drive the survivors into the wasteland...and it doesn't really matter what "it" is. We are the adherents of OPPOSITION. We oppose for the sake of opposition itself. We don't take sides, we don't play favorites, and it's a wonder that we are a "we" at all.
We are the proxies of entropy, not a fucking coffee house poetry club. We back the wrong horse, in the sheer hope of clogging up the guts of the machine, and it really makes no difference if the "machine" is malevolent or benign...Because, to us, NO organization is "benign".
You simply aren't going to gain the favor of the goddess by playing "three word game". She'd rather see you shoving chewing gum in the coin slots of the subway entrance stiles, or simply playing "let's you and him fight".
The higher up in an organization that you can cause chaos, the more Eris will shower you with her blessings. Avoid being caught (so you can do it again), and she'll even take them out of the big, heavy can first.
So spare me the quotes and the anecdotes from Principia. Forget that old fraud, Malaclypse, because Eris already has.
Or kill me.
This Is The Kind of Shit We Have To Put Up With Department
Thanks for the confession, yet the big question is why do you post on a forum that is based on what you consider gibberish?
You neglect to address the different types of chaos.
Also if you study the goddess there are two Eris'
"It was never true that there was only one Eris. There have always been two on earth. There is one you could like when you understand her. The other is hateful. The two Erites have separate natures. There is one Eris who builds up evil war, and slaughter. She is harsh; no man loves her, but under compulsion and by will of the immortals, men promote this rough Eris (Strife).
But the other one was born the elder daughter of black Nyx. The son of Kronos, who sits on high and dwells in the bright air set her in the roots of the earth and among men; she is far kinder. She pushes the shiftless man to work, for all his laziness. A man looks at his neighbour, who is rich: then he too wants work; for the rich man presses on with his ploughing and planting and ordering of his estate. So the neighbour envies the neighbour who presses on toward wealth. Such Eris (Strife) is a good friend to mortals." -Works and Days 11f
"One [Eris] is Trouble and Fighting. But the other is only Healthy Competition." -Works and Days 11
http://www.theoi.com/Khaos/Eris.html
Some of us find the principia not gibberish, rather a mock philosophy that's a methaphor to wake people up from gibberish.
So, my probing proved true.
I was criticized and personally attacked for saying the posts here reflect heretical opinions, and you 3 have all admited you think the principia is a bunch of crap.
I find it a clever metaphor for the state of society on the planet, and the most productive way of actively working against it for change. I find it a funny way to dispell gibberish as apposed to being gibberish itself.
I also find it a way of bringing Taoism into the 20th century.
Most people feel Monty Python did more for social change than the hippies, and I tend to agree, with their mindfucking skits and films.
I believe that there is positive and negative order and chaos and believe in the promotion of the positive.
I believed these things prior to reading the principia, yet find it well articulated in the principia.
I belive there are enlightened and cabbages, saint-like jakers and greyfaces, people who want social norms and who get angry when they see people being free and happy, or having harmless fun.
Even if all the mindfucking and jaking doesn't change anything, it still made people think.
Even if all doesn't make people think, I still had fun, and on my death bed, I will leave with a good conscious knowing I didn't spend my life in fear of what other's thought nor lived my life based on it.
So, as others have mentioned the spiritual aspect, sticking gum in the subway gates, I being part gnostic part prankster, find that destructive chaos, and yielding nothing but bad karma.
So the big point is I think you're opinion corrupts the impressionable or people here checking out what principia discordianism is all about and I'm trying to point out the contradictions between those here and the actual principia, which you find crap.
If you believe in the negative Eris as being a positve and destructive chaos as a positve, then I will challenge it and hope those who just come here for some pseudo social acceptance's little brain nuerons may start firing in the right side of their brains.
The big contradiction is that you say you want people to think for themselves, yet you attack anyone who doesn't think like you regardless of if what the?? say is true or not.
True following Greg Hill and Kerry Thornley's opinions isn't thinking for yourself, except if you follow the part of thinking for yourself. Which is what I think the whole point of them comming up with all this was about. Of course they weren't the first for saying think for yourself, but did it in a very creative way.
So, I think all this is great actually.
I thought the board needed to be redefined and clarified and it has been by some, and I encourage others to as well.
I'm very proud to have initiated it as well.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerBeware, O ye of little faith, for the things I am about to say will piss thee off to no fucking end.
Let me start off by stating that Malaclypse the Younger is, and always has been a fraud. That's right. Bogus. Phoney. His real name is Kerry Thornley, and he did NOT "walk into the ocean" thirty years ago. He is alive and well, and living in Cleveland, Ohio.
Second, his book, Principia Discordia is gibberish. Utter rot. It has two or three good jokes in it, and one (1) good idea. It's basically an acid rant that reads like the end of a Robert Anton Wilson novel...which is to say, it's garbage. The one good idea, of course, being that you should think for yourself. Obviously, some backsliders like to quote it and/or insist that people act according to its "teachings" if they want to be a "true" Discordian.
Obviously bullshit.
In fact, this false prophet and his teachings have led countless Discordians astray. They have been led to believe that, to be a discordian, one must act as if one was tripping, even when NOT under the influence of psychadelic drugs. It has led people to believe that Eris is some demented aspect of Bacchus, where we all focus on having a good time. Poetry, games, inebriation, etc.
Sorry, wrong Gawd.
Eris is the goddess of DISCORD. Take a minute, and look that word up. I'll wait.
Back now? Good, we'll continue.
DISCORDianism. The adherence to, and spreading of, DISCORD. Tear the filthy thing down. Smash it, and drive the survivors into the wasteland...and it doesn't really matter what "it" is. We are the adherents of OPPOSITION. We oppose for the sake of opposition itself. We don't take sides, we don't play favorites, and it's a wonder that we are a "we" at all.
We are the proxies of entropy, not a fucking coffee house poetry club. We back the wrong horse, in the sheer hope of clogging up the guts of the machine, and it really makes no difference if the "machine" is malevolent or benign...Because, to us, NO organization is "benign".
You simply aren't going to gain the favor of the goddess by playing "three word game". She'd rather see you shoving chewing gum in the coin slots of the subway entrance stiles, or simply playing "let's you and him fight".
The higher up in an organization that you can cause chaos, the more Eris will shower you with her blessings. Avoid being caught (so you can do it again), and she'll even take them out of the big, heavy can first.
So spare me the quotes and the anecdotes from Principia. Forget that old fraud, Malaclypse, because Eris already has.
Or kill me.
This Is The Kind of Shit We Have To Put Up With Department
SUmmary. post. haste.
Roger is trying to simultaneously tell us to think for ourselves, and command us to abide by his definition of Discordianism.
Funny shit, actually.
Quote from: DJRubberduckyRoger is trying to simultaneously tell us to think for ourselves, and command us to abide by his definition of Discordianism.
Funny shit, actually.
Exactly! That's the very reason it's funny.
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wait a minute here... a discordian is not to believe what they read and yet when one dosent believe what they read they are being heritics ?!?!?
some one please explain this lunacy.
Well, well, well...
Where do I begin?
Quote from: TaoSome of us find the principia not gibberish, rather a mock philosophy that's a methaphor to wake people up from gibberish.
True. I happen to agree with that characterization. BUT ITS NOT DOGMA. IT IS NOT THE AUTHORITY TO WHICH ALL ARGUMENTS MAY BE DIRECTED FOR A DEFINITVE RESOLUTION. Unless you wanna. But personally, I have greater respect for the man who makes his own arguments, as opposed to quoting a book and saying, "Because it says so here."
And Rog's sermon is half a joke.... You know that, right?
QuoteI believe that there is positive and negative order and chaos and believe in the promotion of the positive...
...sticking gum in the subway gates, I being part gnostic part prankster, find that destructive chaos, and yielding nothing but bad karma.
Agreed. See my comments on Sermon 26 vis a vis the toothbrush thingy. I'll take issue with you on one (admittedly minor) semantic point. I believe there is positive and negative (or better yet, creative/destructive) order and disorder... CHAOS is the universe itself. CHAOS=ERIS=THE UNIVERSE. Order and disorder are merely manifestations of chaos, or as it's phrased in the Book of Eris (props to the Rev. Verthaine), Order and Disorder are opposite sides of the coin. CHAOS *is* the coin. Anyway, i'm not really disagreeing with you here, I just felt like being contrary.
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So the big point is I think you're opinion corrupts the impressionable or people here checking out what principia discordianism is all about and I'm trying to point out the contradictions between those here and the actual principia, which you find crap.
Bullshit. Anybody who is so impressionable that they log on here, read the principia, read the Right Rev's Ranting, and immediately get the 'wrong' idea about Discordianism (as if there could be such a thing) isn't a Discordian and wasn't ever going to be one - they're a cabbage who wondered into the wrong corner of the web and got stuck like a deer in our headlights.
QuoteThe big contradiction is that you say you want people to think for themselves, yet you attack anyone who doesn't think like you regardless of if what the?? say is true or not.
And you're just as guilty of this. Antagonism breeds antagonism. That Shrub for St. thread got downright mean (though it seems to have settled down), and nobody who was participating is blameless. Point is, if we all want the same thing in the end, (namely, more freedom, less unneccessary order, and a general enlightenment of the masses), and we all agree that it's a huge undertaking that none of us can do alone, then we should all realize that we're the only help we're gonna get. This wouldn't be a Discordian forum if we all agreed on anything, and regardless of whether we think Bush should be a saint (I vote no, he's an Avatar, and that's it, but that doesn't mean somebody else can't cannonize him - we're all infallable Popes, remember?), there's no reason to go name-calling or implying that 'my' Discordianism isn't as 'true' as 'your' Discordianism.
The only thing that makes 'your' Discordianism 'true' is the fact that 'mine' is different. And vice versa.
That's the point.
QuoteI thought the board needed to be redefined and clarified and it has been by some, and I encourage others to as well.
I'm very proud to have initiated it as well.
As well you should be.
Hail ERIS!
-CF
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomQuote from: DJRubberduckyRoger is trying to simultaneously tell us to think for ourselves, and command us to abide by his definition of Discordianism.
Funny shit, actually.
Exactly! That's the very reason it's funny.
Gah! I have been trolled. Time to stop being an Eris-fanboy
again. I hate it when that happens.
Quote from: Colonel FailureWell, well, well...
Where do I begin?
Quote from: TaoSome of us find the principia not gibberish, rather a mock philosophy that's a methaphor to wake people up from gibberish.
True. I happen to agree with that characterization. BUT ITS NOT DOGMA. IT IS NOT THE AUTHORITY TO WHICH ALL ARGUMENTS MAY BE DIRECTED FOR A DEFINITVE RESOLUTION. Unless you wanna. But personally, I have greater respect for the man who makes his own arguments, as opposed to quoting a book and saying, "Because it says so here."
And Rog's sermon is half a joke.... You know that, right?
QuoteI believe that there is positive and negative order and chaos and believe in the promotion of the positive...
...sticking gum in the subway gates, I being part gnostic part prankster, find that destructive chaos, and yielding nothing but bad karma.
Agreed. See my comments on Sermon 26 vis a vis the toothbrush thingy. I'll take issue with you on one (admittedly minor) semantic point. I believe there is positive and negative (or better yet, creative/destructive) order and disorder... CHAOS is the universe itself. CHAOS=ERIS=THE UNIVERSE. Order and disorder are merely manifestations of chaos, or as it's phrased in the Book of Eris (props to the Rev. Verthaine), Order and Disorder are opposite sides of the coin. CHAOS *is* the coin. Anyway, i'm not really disagreeing with you here, I just felt like being contrary.
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So the big point is I think you're opinion corrupts the impressionable or people here checking out what principia discordianism is all about and I'm trying to point out the contradictions between those here and the actual principia, which you find crap.
Bullshit. Anybody who is so impressionable that they log on here, read the principia, read the Right Rev's Ranting, and immediately get the 'wrong' idea about Discordianism (as if there could be such a thing) isn't a Discordian and wasn't ever going to be one - they're a cabbage who wondered into the wrong corner of the web and got stuck like a deer in our headlights.
QuoteThe big contradiction is that you say you want people to think for themselves, yet you attack anyone who doesn't think like you regardless of if what the?? say is true or not.
And you're just as guilty of this. Antagonism breeds antagonism. That Shrub for St. thread got downright mean (though it seems to have settled down), and nobody who was participating is blameless. Point is, if we all want the same thing in the end, (namely, more freedom, less unneccessary order, and a general enlightenment of the masses), and we all agree that it's a huge undertaking that none of us can do alone, then we should all realize that we're the only help we're gonna get. This wouldn't be a Discordian forum if we all agreed on anything, and regardless of whether we think Bush should be a saint (I vote no, he's an Avatar, and that's it, but that doesn't mean somebody else can't cannonize him - we're all infallable Popes, remember?), there's no reason to go name-calling or implying that 'my' Discordianism isn't as 'true' as 'your' Discordianism.
The only thing that makes 'your' Discordianism 'true' is the fact that 'mine' is different. And vice versa.
That's the point.
QuoteI thought the board needed to be redefined and clarified and it has been by some, and I encourage others to as well.
I'm very proud to have initiated it as well.
As well you should be.
Hail ERIS!
-CF
Colonel, fair post.
Although, I'm not defending philosophy because a book says so.
1. This whole thing began because people were leaving the forum, and complaining that it was dead. Instead of just heading out, gave my 2 cents why every time EVT and I read it we're bored to tears, and after a couple of weeks forget to check it all together.
The original point was that not much discordian was being discussed, and we came here to discuss the principia's outlook on discordianism, and creative extentions of it. (not contradictions to it)
I was, therefore defending a principia forum board that was based on the principia. Not that all bow to the almighty principia.
Sure everyone yaks about nonsense, so do I. But the forum looked to be becomming quite banal.
Not to mention every time something cool and discordian was brought up, it was either criticized or ignored.
Seemed people were more interested in bad puns, and pointless chat than people jaking and mindfucking.
Which seemed odd since were called a "Zen version of the Merry Pranksters"
2.
QuoteAnd you're just as guilty of this. Antagonism breeds antagonism. That Shrub for St. thread got downright mean (though it seems to have settled down), and nobody who was participating is blameless. Point is, if we all want the same thing in the end, (namely, more freedom, less unneccessary order, and a general enlightenment of the masses), and we all agree that it's a huge undertaking that none of us can do alone, then we should all realize that we're the only help we're gonna get. This wouldn't be a Discordian forum if we all agreed on anything, and regardless of whether we think Bush should be a saint (I vote no, he's an Avatar, and that's it, but that doesn't mean somebody else can't cannonize him - we're all infallable Popes, remember?), there's no reason to go name-calling or implying that 'my' Discordianism isn't as 'true' as 'your' Discordianism
.
Me mean? All pointed/ taking the piss out/ commentary has been defensive as far as I can see.
You'll have to quote otherwise.
I thought it was play, yet have sinced realized people were actually taking some internet chat personally.
Again, not saying anyone's discordianism is wrong, simply incongruent to the principia, and this is a principia forum.
If one promotes destructive chaos as a positive, then I'm in open direct confrontation.
3.
QuoteAnd Rog's sermon is half a joke.... You know that, right?
You do know that I'm nearly always half joking right?
but I do think he really believes in chaos for chaos' sake or at least that how it comes across, (I'll ask him after this) and the arguments on this board seem more designed for a contrarian forum, which if I wanted that, I'd call up my Praise the Lord watching parents.
4.
QuoteBullshit. Anybody who is so impressionable that they log on here, read the principia, read the Right Rev's Ranting, and immediately get the 'wrong' idea about Discordianism (as if there could be such a thing) isn't a Discordian and wasn't ever going to be one - they're a cabbage who wondered into the wrong corner of the web and got stuck like a deer in our headlights.
Strongly disagree.
If I came here when that post was fresh and read it, I'd think this place was full of a bunch of nonsense spewing geeks, and never would have stayed, and never would have met EVT.
I'd hope to meet other cool open minded people while comming here in the future. I'd love it if this board got big and we could organize some pretty creative international jakes.
5.
QuotePoint is, if we all want the same thing in the end, (namely, more freedom, less unneccessary order, and a general enlightenment of the masses), and we all agree that it's a huge undertaking that none of us can do alone, then we should all realize that we're the only help we're gonna get. This wouldn't be a Discordian forum if we all agreed on anything, and regardless of whether we think Bush should be a saint (I vote no, he's an Avatar, and that's it, but that doesn't mean somebody else can't cannonize him - we're all infallable Popes, remember?), there's no reason to go name-calling or implying that 'my' Discordianism isn't as 'true' as 'your' Discordianism.
I disagree, there's lots of people in the world that enjoy argument for argument's sake, (contrarians) because they enjoy argument, because they enjoy pissing people off, because they have small dicks, because they're on an internet chat board, and don't have any friends and can give themselves the allusion of being an authority in some cyber fantasy world because in the real world, they're affraid of their own shadow, or a million other sociopathic reasons.
I don't think these people should be banned from the forum, yet If no one challenges them, then the cool folks are all going to migrate away, and I don't want that.
in closing....
Thinking for yourself is one sign of enlightenment, yet the village idiot that thinks his shoes talk to him thinks for himself too. It's not the only sign of enlightenment.
QuoteDISCORDianism. The adherence to, and spreading of, DISCORD. Tear the filthy thing down. Smash it, and drive the survivors into the wasteland...and it doesn't really matter what "it" is. We are the adherents of OPPOSITION. We oppose for the sake of opposition itself. We don't take sides, we don't play favorites, and it's a wonder that we are a "we" at all.
Are you saying you believe in chaos for chaos' sake.
You're free to, I find it awful, but you're not only on a principia forum, which is in direct contradiction to that, but you're the only one to have their own forum topic.
Or did you come here intentionally to fuck up this forum?
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerBeware, O ye of little faith, for the things I am about to say will piss thee off to no fucking end.
Let me start off by stating that Malaclypse the Younger is, and always has been a fraud. That's right. Bogus. Phoney. His real name is Kerry Thornley, and he did NOT "walk into the ocean" thirty years ago. He is alive and well, and living in Cleveland, Ohio.
Second, his book, Principia Discordia is gibberish. Utter rot. It has two or three good jokes in it, and one (1) good idea. It's basically an acid rant that reads like the end of a Robert Anton Wilson novel...which is to say, it's garbage. The one good idea, of course, being that you should think for yourself. Obviously, some backsliders like to quote it and/or insist that people act according to its "teachings" if they want to be a "true" Discordian.
Obviously bullshit.
In fact, this false prophet and his teachings have led countless Discordians astray. They have been led to believe that, to be a discordian, one must act as if one was tripping, even when NOT under the influence of psychadelic drugs. It has led people to believe that Eris is some demented aspect of Bacchus, where we all focus on having a good time. Poetry, games, inebriation, etc.
Sorry, wrong Gawd.
Eris is the goddess of DISCORD. Take a minute, and look that word up. I'll wait.
Back now? Good, we'll continue.
DISCORDianism. The adherence to, and spreading of, DISCORD. Tear the filthy thing down. Smash it, and drive the survivors into the wasteland...and it doesn't really matter what "it" is. We are the adherents of OPPOSITION. We oppose for the sake of opposition itself. We don't take sides, we don't play favorites, and it's a wonder that we are a "we" at all.
We are the proxies of entropy, not a fucking coffee house poetry club. We back the wrong horse, in the sheer hope of clogging up the guts of the machine, and it really makes no difference if the "machine" is malevolent or benign...Because, to us, NO organization is "benign".
You simply aren't going to gain the favor of the goddess by playing "three word game". She'd rather see you shoving chewing gum in the coin slots of the subway entrance stiles, or simply playing "let's you and him fight".
The higher up in an organization that you can cause chaos, the more Eris will shower you with her blessings. Avoid being caught (so you can do it again), and she'll even take them out of the big, heavy can first.
So spare me the quotes and the anecdotes from Principia. Forget that old fraud, Malaclypse, because Eris already has.
Or kill me.
This Is The Kind of Shit We Have To Put Up With Department
Quote from: TaoColonel, fair post
.
Right back atcha.
QuoteAlthough, I'm not defending philosophy because a book says so.
Noted, and I didn't mean to imply that that was the sum total of your commentary, either.
Quote1. This whole thing began because people were leaving the forum, and complaining that it was dead. Instead of just heading out, gave my 2 cents why every time EVT and I read it we're bored to tears, and after a couple of weeks forget to check it all together...
...Seemed people were more interested in bad puns, and pointless chat than people jaking and mindfucking.
Which seemed odd since were called a "Zen version of the Merry Pranksters"
A valid concern, and not at all what I take issue with.
QuoteMe mean? All pointe/ taking the piss out/ commentary has been defensive as far as I can see.
You'll have to quote otherwise.
Just an example:
Quote from: Duchess DemonicaAha!
Talk about..................'Extremists'
Quote from: EVTtao is not extremist, only honest and speaks his mind after he has thought for himself. thats not
extremist but consequent.
Quote from: TaoDon't waste your breath, they aren't capable of understanding above a 11 year old reading level.
EVT's comment was a defense, but was not defensive. Your post was simply an unnecessary insult. Now, I am NOT implying that your comment was unprovoked, merely that it goes back to my original statement, "Antagonism breeds antagonism." The clearly implied subtext to Demonica's comment was:
"pot: /msg kettle you black".
She says you're an extremist, you say she has the mind of a child, and back and forth and around we go, getting nothing accomplished. Continuing:
Quote from: TaoI disagree, there's lots of people in the world that enjoy argument for argument's sake, (contrarians) because they enjoy argument, because they enjoy pissing people off, because they have small dicks, because they're on an internet chat board, and don't have any friends and can give themselves the allusion of being an authority in some cyber fantasy world because in the real world, they're affraid of their own shadow, or a million other sociopathic reasons.
There's nothing wrong with having an argument. I like arguments. But an argument is an intelligent, rational, and most importantly, respectful, discussion between people who have differing views on a subject. When an argument degenerates into name-calling and finger-pointing, it's not an argument, it's a fight.
I'm not singling you out here (though I suppose it may seem that way) for responsibility. My point is that responsibility is irrelavent to this issue. Doesn't matter who started it, that's a game children play with assigning blame and avoiding culpability. What matters is that somebody (preferably everybody) realizes that it's gone too far and everybody needs to count to ten, realize that we're all on the same side here, and stop slinging mud.
Quote from: TaoQuote from: Colonel FailureBullshit. Anybody who is so impressionable that they log on here, read the principia, read the Right Rev's Ranting, and immediately get the 'wrong' idea about Discordianism (as if there could be such a thing) isn't a Discordian and wasn't ever going to be one - they're a cabbage who wondered into the wrong corner of the web and got stuck like a deer in our headlights.
Strongly disagree.
If I came here when that post was fresh and read it, I'd think this place was full of a bunch of nonsense spewing geeks, and never would have stayed, and never would have met EVT.
I'd hope to meet other cool open minded people while comming here in the future. I'd love it if this board got big and we could organize some pretty creative international jakes.
Well...
Quote from: TaoQuote from: Colonel FailureAnd Rog's sermon is half a joke.... You know that, right?
You do know that I'm nearly always half joking right?
I think you and Rog both grok Discordianism, and I'm not sure I believe you when you say Rog's sermon would have kept you off the board. If you know enough to take everything with a few grains of salt, then you know enough not to take him totally seriously and dismiss the entire thing because of one post. Somebody who doesn't know enough to take everything with that grain of salt, and does take it all seriously, isn't a Discordian in the first place. I guess my point is that an archetypical discordian (again, as if there was such a thing) is simply not as 'impressionable' as you seem to suggest in your original post.
And I'm all for the international jakery. Just my drug-addled mind can't think of anything cool for that...
Finally,
Quote from: TaoThinking for yourself is one sign of enlightenment, yet the village idiot that thinks his shoes talk to him thinks for himself too. It's not the only sign of enlightenment.
You'll get no argument from me on that one.
Quote from: Colonel FailureQuote from: TaoColonel, fair post
.
Right back atcha.
QuoteAlthough, I'm not defending philosophy because a book says so.
Noted, and I didn't mean to imply that that was the sum total of your commentary, either.
Quote1. This whole thing began because people were leaving the forum, and complaining that it was dead. Instead of just heading out, gave my 2 cents why every time EVT and I read it we're bored to tears, and after a couple of weeks forget to check it all together...
...Seemed people were more interested in bad puns, and pointless chat than people jaking and mindfucking.
Which seemed odd since were called a "Zen version of the Merry Pranksters"
A valid concern, and not at all what I take issue with.
QuoteMe mean? All pointe/ taking the piss out/ commentary has been defensive as far as I can see.
You'll have to quote otherwise.
Just an example:
Quote from: Duchess DemonicaAha!
Talk about..................'Extremists'
Quote from: EVTtao is not extremist, only honest and speaks his mind after he has thought for himself. thats not
extremist but consequent.
Quote from: TaoDon't waste your breath, they aren't capable of understanding above a 11 year old reading level.
EVT's comment was a defense, but was not defensive. Your post was simply an unnecessary insult. Now, I am NOT implying that your comment was unprovoked, merely that it goes back to my original statement, "Antagonism breeds antagonism." The clearly implied subtext to Demonica's comment was:
"pot: /msg kettle you black".
She says you're an extremist, you say she has the mind of a child, and back and forth and around we go, getting nothing accomplished. Continuing:
Quote from: TaoI disagree, there's lots of people in the world that enjoy argument for argument's sake, (contrarians) because they enjoy argument, because they enjoy pissing people off, because they have small dicks, because they're on an internet chat board, and don't have any friends and can give themselves the allusion of being an authority in some cyber fantasy world because in the real world, they're affraid of their own shadow, or a million other sociopathic reasons.
There's nothing wrong with having an argument. I like arguments. But an argument is an intelligent, rational, and most importantly, respectful, discussion between people who have differing views on a subject. When an argument degenerates into name-calling and finger-pointing, it's not an argument, it's a fight.
I'm not singling you out here (though I suppose it may seem that way) for responsibility. My point is that responsibility is irrelavent to this issue. Doesn't matter who started it, that's a game children play with assigning blame and avoiding culpability. What matters is that somebody (preferably everybody) realizes that it's gone too far and everybody needs to count to ten, realize that we're all on the same side here, and stop slinging mud.
Quote from: TaoQuote from: Colonel FailureBullshit. Anybody who is so impressionable that they log on here, read the principia, read the Right Rev's Ranting, and immediately get the 'wrong' idea about Discordianism (as if there could be such a thing) isn't a Discordian and wasn't ever going to be one - they're a cabbage who wondered into the wrong corner of the web and got stuck like a deer in our headlights.
Strongly disagree.
If I came here when that post was fresh and read it, I'd think this place was full of a bunch of nonsense spewing geeks, and never would have stayed, and never would have met EVT.
I'd hope to meet other cool open minded people while comming here in the future. I'd love it if this board got big and we could organize some pretty creative international jakes.
Well...
Quote from: TaoQuote from: Colonel FailureAnd Rog's sermon is half a joke.... You know that, right?
You do know that I'm nearly always half joking right?
I think you and Rog both grok Discordianism, and I'm not sure I believe you when you say Rog's sermon would have kept you off the board. If you know enough to take everything with a few grains of salt, then you know enough not to take him totally seriously and dismiss the entire thing because of one post. Somebody who doesn't know enough to take everything with that grain of salt, and does take it all seriously, isn't a Discordian in the first place. I guess my point is that an archetypical discordian (again, as if there was such a thing) is simply not as 'impressionable' as you seem to suggest in your original post.
And I'm all for the international jakery. Just my drug-addled mind can't think of anything cool for that...
Finally,
Quote from: TaoThinking for yourself is one sign of enlightenment, yet the village idiot that thinks his shoes talk to him thinks for himself too. It's not the only sign of enlightenment.
You'll get no argument from me on that one.
I hope you don't get the arguement that If you don't quote the whole thing you are doing "spin" and lost the whole context of his arguement that i got.
i disagree with your entire article based on the fact that malaclypse is not infact kerry thornely but one mr. greg hill.
i further disagree on the basis that i argue for the wrong side wrongly because nothign is funnier than when i win the wrong arguments wrongly.
further, fuck my baby's momma, gimme that nut(in teh eternal words of the late ez e)
Quote from: horabi disagree with your entire article based on the fact that malaclypse is not infact kerry thornely but one mr. greg hill.
i further disagree on the basis that i argue for the wrong side wrongly because nothign is funnier than when i win the wrong arguments wrongly.
further, fuck my baby's momma, gimme that nut(in teh eternal words of the late ez e)
you rock... look at this Tao .. look at this... he qouted a singer from N.W.A.
straight outta compton.
{{{{{{{{{{{{{GROUP HUG}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Lets just all kiss and make up :wink:
Quote from: Guido FinucciQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerLet me start off by stating that Malaclypse the Younger is ... alive and well, and living in Cleveland, Ohio.
Second, his book, Principia Discordia is gibberish. Utter rot.
Okay. (Mr. Thornley is dead and well cold by now, just BTW.) I'm still a happy rule-following weekend Discordian wannabe stuck in the pages of the Principia who still has problems eating hot dog buns because I don't know any better.
Sure, I could fake the rhetoric and even convince myself to walk the talk so I could get with the 'in' crowd.
Fact is, I'm just some kid raised by New Age dusk-squeezers who deeply desires to hug a tree, be nice to everyone and curl up with a tasty drink somewhere where the nasty monsters won't get him.
I don't think I had a point.
Mr Thornley is quite well, actually.
Quote from: Prince Tao JonesThanks for the confession, yet the big question is why do you post on a forum that is based on what you consider gibberish?
I was criticized and personally attacked for saying the posts here reflect heretical opinions, and you 3 have all admited you think the principia is a bunch of crap.
So, as others have mentioned the spiritual aspect, sticking gum in the subway gates, I being part gnostic part prankster, find that destructive chaos, and yielding nothing but bad karma.
The big contradiction is that you say you want people to think for themselves, yet you attack anyone who doesn't think like you regardless of if what the?? say is true or not.
1. Because I feel like it.
2. Poor guy. And it IS a pile of crap.
3. I'll try not to lose any sleep over it.
4. You were expecting
consistency? :lol:
Quote from: DJRubberduckyRoger is trying to simultaneously tell us to think for ourselves, and command us to abide by his definition of Discordianism.
Funny shit, actually.
*Whacks with stick*
Thus, are ye enlightened.
Quote from: Colonel FailureAnd Rog's sermon is half a joke.... You know that, right?
Bullshit. Anybody who is so impressionable that they log on here, read the principia, read the Right Rev's Ranting, and immediately get the 'wrong' idea about Discordianism (as if there could be such a thing) isn't a Discordian and wasn't ever going to be one - they're a cabbage who wondered into the wrong corner of the web and got stuck like a deer in our headlights.
1. But WHICH half?
2. And thus, our rightful prey.
Quote from: Guido FinucciQuote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomQuote from: DJRubberduckyRoger is trying to simultaneously tell us to think for ourselves, and command us to abide by his definition of Discordianism.
Funny shit, actually.
Exactly! That's the very reason it's funny.
Gah! I have been trolled.
:twisted:
Quote from: Prince Tao Jones[1. This whole thing began because people were leaving the forum, and complaining that it was dead. Instead of just heading out, gave my 2 cents why every time EVT and I read it we're bored to tears, and after a couple of weeks forget to check it all together.
but I do think he really believes in chaos for chaos' sake or at least that how it comes across,
I don't think these people should be banned from the forum, yet If no one challenges them, then the cool folks are all going to migrate away, and I don't want that.
1. Well, your love letter posts really help in that regard. :roll:
2. Got it in one.
3. The "cool folks"? Okay, you're a pinkboy.
Quote from: Prince Tao Jones
Are you saying you believe in chaos for chaos' sake.
You're free to, I find it awful, but you're not only on a principia forum, which is in direct contradiction to that, but you're the only one to have their own forum topic.
Or did you come here intentionally to fuck up this forum?
1. Yes. Actually, it's even WORSE than that.
2. Hey, don't blame me...the mods built me this padded cell to protect society. Wasn't MY idea.
3. I'll never tell. :lol: You think BEING a "discordian" automatically grants you protection from other discordians, somehow? :lol:
Quote from: Colonel FailureI guess my point is that an archetypical discordian (again, as if there was such a thing) is simply not as 'impressionable' as you seem to suggest in your original post.
But who will protect the little darlings from bad ol' Rev Roger? :(
Don't look at me. I'm apparently as incorrigible as you are. :twisted:
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomDon't look at me. I'm apparently as incorrigible as you are. :twisted:
I fear that, in some circles, we may be considered
rogue discordians.
This doesn't bode well for our social calendar, does it?
:lol:
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomDon't look at me. I'm apparently as incorrigible as you are. :twisted:
I fear that, in some circles, we may be considered rogue discordians.
This doesn't bode well for our social calendar, does it?
:lol:
Fer sher fer sher.....I fear you are correct, Roger.
Guess we'll just have to hang out in the land of Thud with chaosgraves and horab and other rogue discordians gone bad.
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomDon't look at me. I'm apparently as incorrigible as you are. :twisted:
I fear that, in some circles, we may be considered rogue discordians.
This doesn't bode well for our social calendar, does it?
:lol:
Fer sher fer sher.....I fear you are correct, Roger.
Guess we'll just have to hang out in the land of Thud with chaosgraves and horab and other rogue discordians gone bad.
Okay.
On the other hand, I don't think we've had a proper Jihaad yet, and I see no reason to put up with the heathens that support "positive chaos" (as though chaos came in flavors).
WE WILL MARCH ON A ROAD OF BONES!
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomDon't look at me. I'm apparently as incorrigible as you are. :twisted:
I fear that, in some circles, we may be considered rogue discordians.
This doesn't bode well for our social calendar, does it?
:lol:
Fer sher fer sher.....I fear you are correct, Roger.
Guess we'll just have to hang out in the land of Thud with chaosgraves and horab and other rogue discordians gone bad.
Okay.
On the other hand, I don't think we've had a proper Jihaad yet, and I see no reason to put up with the heathens that support "positive chaos" (as though chaos came in flavors).
WE WILL MARCH ON A ROAD OF BONES!
This reminds me.
You checked out the plot line of the new RGP game yet, Roger?
Or should I say Rev-Ro-Jer? :twisted:
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomDon't look at me. I'm apparently as incorrigible as you are. :twisted:
I fear that, in some circles, we may be considered rogue discordians.
This doesn't bode well for our social calendar, does it?
:lol:
Fer sher fer sher.....I fear you are correct, Roger.
Guess we'll just have to hang out in the land of Thud with chaosgraves and horab and other rogue discordians gone bad.
Okay.
On the other hand, I don't think we've had a proper Jihaad yet, and I see no reason to put up with the heathens that support "positive chaos" (as though chaos came in flavors).
WE WILL MARCH ON A ROAD OF BONES!
This reminds me.
You checked out the plot line of the new RGP game yet, Roger?
Or should I say Rev-Ro-Jer? :twisted:
No, I'll give it a look.
"Ancient Wiseguy"! :lol:
I love it.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger"Ancient Wiseguy"! :lol:
I love it.
Yeah, he did a good job, didn't he, O Ancient Wiseguy?
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomQuote from: The Good Reverend Roger"Ancient Wiseguy"! :lol:
I love it.
Yeah, he did a good job, didn't he, O Ancient Wiseguy?
:lol:
Rev Roger,
Only FEELS ancient.
Me, too.
I stayed up waaay too late last night.
You know how it is with us disreputable folk.
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomMe, too.
I stayed up waaay too late last night.
You know how it is with us disreputable folk.
Hey...SOMEBODY has to troll the 700Club forums...
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomMe, too.
I stayed up waaay too late last night.
You know how it is with us disreputable folk.
Hey...SOMEBODY has to troll the 700Club forums...
Guido and I trolled the Celestine Visions people this afternoon.
Well, it was mostly Guido. I was working and couldn't pay proper attention to the trolling.
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomGuido and I trolled the Celestine Visions people this afternoon.
Well, it was mostly Guido. I was working and couldn't pay proper attention to the trolling.
I wasn't really trolling, mostly I was playing with some other boffin who was trying to troll. He was very bad at it.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerBeware, O ye of little faith, for the things I am about to say will piss thee off to no fucking end.
::adds another layer of steel reinforced webbing to the fallout shelter::
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerLet me start off by stating that Malaclypse the Younger is, and always has been a fraud. That's right. Bogus. Phoney. His real name is Kerry Thornley, and he did NOT "walk into the ocean" thirty years ago. He is alive and well, and living in Cleveland, Ohio.
Second, his book, Principia Discordia is gibberish. Utter rot. It has two or three good jokes in it, and one (1) good idea. It's basically an acid rant that reads like the end of a Robert Anton Wilson novel...which is to say, it's garbage. The one good idea, of course, being that you should think for yourself. Obviously, some backsliders like to quote it and/or insist that people act according to its "teachings" if they want to be a "true" Discordian.
Gee, I thought Greg Hill wrote PD, conceived of it as an underground art project, and his one good idea was that a religion could have a humorous diety.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerObviously bullshit.
Granted. So?
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerIn fact, this false prophet and his teachings have led countless Discordians astray. They have been led to believe that, to be a discordian, one must act as if one was tripping, even when NOT under the influence of psychadelic drugs. It has led people to believe that Eris is some demented aspect of Bacchus, where we all focus on having a good time. Poetry, games, inebriation, etc.
Hmm. Roger, are you turning into a Prince? You know, as in, "I know what is right and wrong and you will all behave as I decree or face my ridicule."
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerSorry, wrong Gawd.
Eris is the goddess of DISCORD. Take a minute, and look that word up. I'll wait.
::thumbs through dictionary::
DISCORD: 1. lack of agreement or harmony : dissention, conflict, opposition; 2. a harsh combination of musical sounds; 3. a harsh or unpleasant sound; 4. a classic automobile made in Auburn, Indiana.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerBack now? Good, we'll continue.
DISCORDianism. The adherence to, and spreading of, DISCORD. Tear the filthy thing down. Smash it, and drive the survivors into the wasteland...and it doesn't really matter what "it" is. We are the adherents of OPPOSITION. We oppose for the sake of opposition itself. We don't take sides, we don't play favorites, and it's a wonder that we are a "we" at all.
Yikes!
::adds a second layer of steel reinforced webbing to the fallout shelter::
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerWe are the proxies of entropy, not a fucking coffee house poetry club. We back the wrong horse, in the sheer hope of clogging up the guts of the machine, and it really makes no difference if the "machine" is malevolent or benign...Because, to us, NO organization is "benign".
Ah, it comes out. Roger is a closet anarchist!
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerYou simply aren't going to gain the favor of the goddess by playing "three word game". She'd rather see you shoving chewing gum in the coin slots of the subway entrance stiles, or simply playing "let's you and him fight".
The higher up in an organization that you can cause chaos, the more Eris will shower you with her blessings. Avoid being caught (so you can do it again), and she'll even take them out of the big, heavy can first.
Hmmm. A heavy dose of Roger being heavy is, like, heavy. So, do you endorse the idea of sticking your used underwear into FedEx boxes? Or are you a weatherman?
By the way, that is "you and him fight," not "me and him," because I'm the quirky, oddball character who is no good in a fight.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerSo spare me the quotes and the anecdotes from Principia. Forget that old fraud, Malaclypse, because Eris already has.
Or kill me.
Unless Eris already has.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerThis Is The Kind of Shit We Have To Put Up With Department
This Is The Kind of Shit We Get For Having To Put Up With Discordians Department
Just an example:
Quote from: Duchess DemonicaAha!
Talk about..................'Extremists'
Quote from: EVTtao is not extremist, only honest and speaks his mind after he has thought for himself. thats not
extremist but consequent.
Quote from: TaoDon't waste your breath, they aren't capable of understanding above a 11 year old reading level.
EVT's comment was a defense, but was not defensive. Your post was simply an unnecessary insult. Now, I am NOT implying that your comment was unprovoked, merely that it goes back to my original statement, "Antagonism breeds antagonism." The clearly implied subtext to Demonica's comment was:
"pot: /msg kettle you black".
She says you're an extremist, you say she has the mind of a child, and back and forth and around we go, getting nothing accomplished. Continuing:
Point taken, but in context, we've been (including me) just matter of factly, and non-defensive for ages about our concerns and the feedback from our posts was falling on deaf ears. Being contraversial, confrontational and caustic was a tool to get people's attention, and it worked.
I regret stooping to other's level, but somettimes it's the only way to get heard.
The above mentioned post of mine was a bit of surrender to the fact that, that was only half working and we weren't getting understood, though we did carefully explain our intentions multiple times.
Quote from: TaoI disagree, there's lots of people in the world that enjoy argument for argument's sake, (contrarians) because they enjoy argument, because they enjoy pissing people off, because they have small dicks, because they're on an internet chat board, and don't have any friends and can give themselves the allusion of being an authority in some cyber fantasy world because in the real world, they're affraid of their own shadow, or a million other sociopathic reasons.
There's nothing wrong with having an argument. I like arguments. But an argument is an intelligent, rational, and most importantly, respectful, discussion between people who have differing views on a subject. When an argument degenerates into name-calling and finger-pointing, it's not an argument, it's a fight.
I'm not singling you out here (though I suppose it may seem that way) for responsibility. My point is that responsibility is irrelavent to this issue. Doesn't matter who started it, that's a game children play with assigning blame and avoiding culpability. What matters is that somebody (preferably everybody) realizes that it's gone too far and everybody needs to count to ten, realize that we're all on the same side here, and stop slinging mud.
I agree, well represented arguments are why I come here for as well as like minds. Arguments like the one we're having here..
I reiderate my previous with example.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=56459&highlight=#56459
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=56534&highlight=#56534
You get to a point and someone just changes the subject when they can't come up with something to the defend the BS they're shoveling.
Again, my parents should come to this site if people really enjoy that.
Contrarian debate just seems like a pissing contests for intellectual ego. Not really interested in comming here for that.
Bottom line,
1.there's plenty of examples of negative stuff going on, yet I'm the one you're writing to, not the others, as well as others who say nothing when people say certain things. Seems a different standard for different people.
2. This is all about personal experience. We're trying to say our personal experience is not that enjoyable here, as apposed to just dropping out. We've now voiced it, if things change we'll probably hang around, if not we're getting bored, and will do more productive stuff with our time.
The dificult implication is that we believe strongly in the idea of discordianism, and find the principia quite genius actually. So if we scram, and deem this place lame, we'll have to dissassociate ourselves with this forum and explain why. I.E. it's supposed to be about jaking and mindfucking, yet is overtaken by those who don't.
Also in it's current state, I'd never invite my current friends here. Sojme have dug holes in D. Rumsfeld's yard while he was looking out the window calling the cops on the cordless.
If I told them there's a forum for other creative pointed pranksters, they'd come here and go where are they?
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerOn the other hand, I don't think we've had a proper Jihaad yet, and I see no reason to put up with the heathens that support "positive chaos" (as though chaos came in flavors).
Chaos does come in flavors.
"Positive chaos" has been observed in nature for millenia, but until recently wasn't explained scientifically. The greeks rejected it as destructive to order. The chinese understood it, but couldn't rationalize it. It's an algorithm of growth that defies conventional platonic/ euclidian geometry and is nonlinear. Mathematically, it is a series of disorders which create a greater order.
"Negative chaos" on the other hand is and algorithm of destruction characterized by white noise and static, nihilism and meaninglessness. It's just disorder, nothing more.
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My bitch about you, Prince, is that you are treating everyone who "disagrees" with you like little children who need to be scolded and spanked and brought into line. I don't care what your motives are, Tao, your method is to disrespect others. You swoop in on a forum you haven't visited for a while and start throwing your weight around like you own the joint.
You want quotes?
Quote from: Prince Tao Jones... it looks like every other sophmoric chat board on the internet. MAybe you can post on any other chat board on the internet. ... Since you're new, I'll spell it out for you. ... but if it's just a copy of us, that wouldn't be very original now would it. ... Don't waste your breath, they aren't capable of understanding above a 11 year old reading level. ...It's called the Principia. You should read it sometime. ... Get that through your thick skulls numb nuts. ... they have small dicks, because they're on an internet chat board, and don't have any friends and can give themselves the allusion of being an authority in some cyber fantasy world because in the real world, they're affraid of their own shadow, or a million other sociopathic reasons.
Maybe you think you were joking around, but didn't our reaction to your behavior act as a
clue that we took your criticism as a personal affront. This is a written communications medium. We can not see the body language, hear the inflection in your voice, etc. No one knows when you are joking and when you are not. That's part of the beauty of the internet.
And since we are
new it does no good to say, "You do know that I'm nearly always half joking right?" or "we did carefully explain our intentions multiple times." Was that just before you starting treating us like small children, or a few months ago? We aren't going to go back and read everything you have ever posted to find out who you are. You are what you type.
How are we supposed to know your personality when you haven't posted in a while? All we saw was arrogance and offensive posts. If you are not trying to be offensive, then why continue to act like it? We are forced to assume you really
are trying to be offensive. Disrepecting the people you are trying to recruit to your cause may be "discordian," but it sure ain't effective.
And to compound the error, rather than recognising that you have offended people and apologizing for it, you start accusing everyone else of unfairly attacking you. You attacked a friend of ours and we retaliated. With humor, of course. But you just keep on insulting people and treating us like little children who needed the big, important, superior Discordian to show us the error of our ways. How very Christian of you.
You started it, Tao. We're just defending ourselves.
And, now, of course, you are congratulating yourself on starting a discussion - of course, it is only a discussion about whether or not you are a jerk, but it is a discussion. You could have done a lot better without pissing people off.
And it takes a
lot to piss me off.
You are not getting what you want from these forums? Start a thread about what you want to talk about. If no one wants to play, then I think you have your answer as to whether or not this web site is suited to you. Right now, I don't want to play with you because you don't play nice. You act superior to everybody else and want to boss us around. Anarchists respond badly to be bossed, in case you don't know.
But may I quote from an introduction to one of the forums on this board? "Talk about the book. Ask questions. Pick each other's brains. Pick fleas out of each other's fur. We don't care." I didn't see the sign when I entered that said this website is
exclusively about "jaking and mindfucking." There's one forum dedicated to that, but why do you feel that the whole board has to be reserved exclusively for your purposes? Does everybody have to march in lockstep with you? Aren't we allowed to think for ourselves, or do we have to think exclusively as you define "thinking for oneself?"
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Or do I need to start working on my Sieg Heils?
(And that's
all I have to say on this topic. If this goes on I might have to put a call in to CNN.)
Quote from: Prince Tao JonesJust an example:
Quote from: Duchess DemonicaAha!
Talk about..................'Extremists'
Quote from: EVTtao is not extremist, only honest and speaks his mind after he has thought for himself. thats not
extremist but consequent.
Quote from: TaoDon't waste your breath, they aren't capable of understanding above a 11 year old reading level.
EVT's comment was a defense, but was not defensive. Your post was simply an unnecessary insult. Now, I am NOT implying that your comment was unprovoked, merely that it goes back to my original statement, "Antagonism breeds antagonism." The clearly implied subtext to Demonica's comment was:
"pot: /msg kettle you black".
She says you're an extremist, you say she has the mind of a child, and back and forth and around we go, getting nothing accomplished. Continuing:
Point taken, but in context, we've been (including me) just matter of factly, and non-defensive for ages about our concerns and the feedback from our posts was falling on deaf ears. Being contraversial, confrontational and caustic was a tool to get people's attention, and it worked.
I regret stooping to other's level, but somettimes it's the only way to get heard.
The above mentioned post of mine was a bit of surrender to the fact that, that was only half working and we weren't getting understood, though we did carefully explain our intentions multiple times.
Quote from: TaoI disagree, there's lots of people in the world that enjoy argument for argument's sake, (contrarians) because they enjoy argument, because they enjoy pissing people off, because they have small dicks, because they're on an internet chat board, and don't have any friends and can give themselves the allusion of being an authority in some cyber fantasy world because in the real world, they're affraid of their own shadow, or a million other sociopathic reasons.
Actually I didn't mean to call you an extremist. I can see where the
misunderstanding came from.
I was merely playing psychoanalyst in "What about Bob" style........
and I was actually inviting you to 'talk' about extremist...........
as you will notice in the post you wrote before
my post you yourself had used the word.
So now ............................would you like to talk about "don't waste your breath?"
And what about 11 year old children upsets you so much?
Quote from: gnimbleyHmm. Roger, are you turning into a Prince? You know, as in, "I know what is right and wrong and you will all behave as I decree or face my ridicule."
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Quote from: Tao1.there's plenty of examples of negative stuff going on, yet I'm the one you're writing to, not the others, as well as others who say nothing when people say certain things. Seems a different standard for different people.
Well, for starters:
Quote from: TaoPoint taken, but in context, we've been (including me) just matter of factly, and non-defensive for ages about our concerns and the feedback from our posts was falling on deaf ears. Being contraversial, confrontational and caustic was a tool to get people's attention, and it worked.
You wanted attention, you got it. Just might not have been the kind you were hoping for. I haven't been lurking and posting to this board for too long (certianly not for ages), so I can't speak to your feelings of being ignored, specifically, but I certianly understand frustration.
None of this has been to say, 'You're a bad person.'
There's another reason I picked you to engage on this topic, I'll get to that later.
But I think I have been clear in my posts (which everybody can read) that I don't consider you the only cause of this (curiously unwelcome) discord. But what? you want me to turn around and point fingers (other than at DD, whom I mentioned in my last post)? OK, that's fair.
For the record, I think SssBella, The Right Rev, Chaosgraves, among others are perpetuating the situation as much as you are, currently with the running gag, 'We'll have to check and see if Tao approves'.
So, to the masses on the other side of the fence:
I'M TRYING TO GENERATE SOME PEACE, LOVE, AND UNDERSTANDING HERE, PEOPLE, AND YOU ARE NOT HELPING!!!!But then, it may not be in their natures to be helpful.
Certianly not Rog... thought-provoking, perhaps, but not helpful in this regard...I'm gonna toss this quote in before I continue:
Quote from: Tao2. This is all about personal experience. We're trying to say our personal experience is not that enjoyable here, as apposed to just dropping out. We've now voiced it, if things change we'll probably hang around, if not we're getting bored, and will do more productive stuff with our time.
The dificult implication is that we believe strongly in the idea of discordianism, and find the principia quite genius actually. So if we scram, and deem this place lame, we'll have to dissassociate ourselves with this forum and explain why. I.E. it's supposed to be about jaking and mindfucking, yet is overtaken by those who don't.
Also in it's current state, I'd never invite my current friends here. Sojme have dug holes in D. Rumsfeld's yard while he was looking out the window calling the cops on the cordless.
If I told them there's a forum for other creative pointed pranksters, they'd come here and go where are they?
It's all always about personal experience. Everybody looks at everything differently. This is what Discordianism is. It's not Rog's Destructive Disorder. It's not your Jakery and mindfucking. It's not my sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong. And it's certianly not SssBella & Her Zombie Legions' silliness.
These are just the things that each of us brings to the table.
Discordianism *
is* the table.
There's enough room here for senseless Disorder, mindless fun, dogmatic jakery, self-righteous preaching, and lots more besides.
You think the board should focus more on the Jaking and mindfuckery? Well, bring it on. I kinda liked the Fed-Ex jake, and I thought the burka jake was amusing (with the addition of EVT's punchline). But if you think silliness and absurdity are too much on the center stage, well... I can't help you there. Somebody posted (and I can't remember who or where, exactly) that they jake out in the real world and post here for a dose of silliness, not to brag about it (something to that effect).
I can't fault that at all. The forum is here for everybody, and it is what you make of it. It is not 'supposed to be about jaking and mindfucking'. It's about Discordianism, specificly the Principia. OM and Project Jake didn't come from the PD, unless I read the expugated version. If you think jakery is the most important thing about being a Discordianism, you're right (you are, after all, a pope). But you're also mistaken. (so am I.) [RIP, Lord Omar]
Quote from: In another thread, GnimbleyShowing people respect is never taboo.
And that's what this comes down to. If you feel that the people here are not showing you respect, call them on it. But if you stoop to their level, you're both just gonna wind up with bruised egos, hurt feelings, and mean-spirited running jokes - which I don't think is what you were after.
Oh, and the other reason I picked you to spar with over this topic: Cause I went after Roger last time. It was just your turn, man. And I'm glad that I did.
If you're fed up with the forum and wanna bail, I certianly can't stop you, though I'll consider it a shame that this is the only time we'll get to joust - I'm enjoying this. I'd only suggest that just because you don't see anything engaging here at the moment, doesn't mean you should go burning your bridges and storming off forever.
I mean, it's not like it's a paid membership, right? Doesn't cost you anything to check back later...
And finally, I'd suggest we all take Demonica's advice and have a group hug, then just forget about the whole thing. Cause in a hundred years, it's not gonna matter that she called you an extremeist or that you called her a child, but it might matter that we all got along and eventually managed to accomplish something positive. Or not. And if not, at least we wont be mean to each other anymore, and come to think of it, that would be accomplishing something positive.
-CF
Quote from: Colonel FailureSo, to the masses on the other side of the fence: I'M TRYING TO GENERATE SOME PEACE, LOVE, AND UNDERSTANDING HERE, PEOPLE, AND YOU ARE NOT HELPING!!!!
-CF
I am sorry ::sniff:: that I have failed ::sob:: to help you in your quest ::moan:: to bring peace, love, ::wail:: and understanding to the ::deep, pitiful sobbing:: Discordians.
"Why can't we all just get along.?" WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!Now, see what you have done? The gnomes are starting to cry now. It takes weeks to get them to stop. Well, all but gnicely. She has to fix dinner and get the wee ones off to bed. But the Rest! They will be slobbering around and wailing and going "woe is me" and "waily, waily" (which they stole, blatantly, from Terry Pratchett's "The Wee Free Men.") We are going to have to hire the raccoons to come in with buckets and rags to mop up the place. You have never seen such a mess.Was it something ::sob:: I said?
Oh no. Not a martyr complex. Anything but a martyr complex.... to be discontinued ...
Oh, don't cry, little gnome...
*pats the gnome on the heat*
Ow... pointy hat... grumblegrumblegrumble...
I didn't mean you...
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: gnimbleyHmm. Roger, are you turning into a Prince? You know, as in, "I know what is right and wrong and you will all behave as I decree or face my ridicule."
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Quote from: Colonel Failure[So, to the masses on the other side of the fence: I'M TRYING TO GENERATE SOME PEACE, LOVE, AND UNDERSTANDING HERE, PEOPLE, AND YOU ARE NOT HELPING!!!!
But then, it may not be in their natures to be helpful.
Certianly not Rog... thought-provoking, perhaps, but not helpful in this regard...
This Is The Kind Of Shit You Have To Put Up With Department
Quote from: Colonel FailureQuote from: Tao1.there's plenty of examples of negative stuff going on, yet I'm the one you're writing to, not the others, as well as others who say nothing when people say certain things. Seems a different standard for different people.
Well, for starters:
Quote from: TaoPoint taken, but in context, we've been (including me) just matter of factly, and non-defensive for ages about our concerns and the feedback from our posts was falling on deaf ears. Being contraversial, confrontational and caustic was a tool to get people's attention, and it worked.
You wanted attention, you got it. Just might not have been the kind you were hoping for. I haven't been lurking and posting to this board for too long (certianly not for ages), so I can't speak to your feelings of being ignored, specifically, but I certianly understand frustration.
I you notice, no one anwers her posts, hence my joke "no one understands it anyway. No one answered mine when I did, just a game of chaos cop/order cop. Neither worked"
None of this has been to say, 'You're a bad person.'
There's another reason I picked you to engage on this topic, I'll get to that later.
But I think I have been clear in my posts (which everybody can read) that I don't consider you the only cause of this (curiously unwelcome) discord. But what? you want me to turn around and point fingers (other than at DD, whom I mentioned in my last post)? OK, that's fair.
For the record, I think SssBella, The Right Rev, Chaosgraves, among others are perpetuating the situation as much as you are, currently with the running gag, 'We'll have to check and see if Tao approves'.
So, to the masses on the other side of the fence: I'M TRYING TO GENERATE SOME PEACE, LOVE, AND UNDERSTANDING HERE, PEOPLE, AND YOU ARE NOT HELPING!!!!
But then, it may not be in their natures to be helpful.
Certianly not Rog... thought-provoking, perhaps, but not helpful in this regard...
I'm gonna toss this quote in before I continue:
Quote from: Tao2. This is all about personal experience. We're trying to say our personal experience is not that enjoyable here, as apposed to just dropping out. We've now voiced it, if things change we'll probably hang around, if not we're getting bored, and will do more productive stuff with our time.
The dificult implication is that we believe strongly in the idea of discordianism, and find the principia quite genius actually. So if we scram, and deem this place lame, we'll have to dissassociate ourselves with this forum and explain why. I.E. it's supposed to be about jaking and mindfucking, yet is overtaken by those who don't.
Also in it's current state, I'd never invite my current friends here. Sojme have dug holes in D. Rumsfeld's yard while he was looking out the window calling the cops on the cordless.
If I told them there's a forum for other creative pointed pranksters, they'd come here and go where are they?
It's all always about personal experience. Everybody looks at everything differently. This is what Discordianism is. It's not Rog's Destructive Disorder. It's not your Jakery and mindfucking. It's not my sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong. And it's certianly not SssBella & Her Zombie Legions' silliness.
These are just the things that each of us brings to the table.
Discordianism *is* the table.
Well I obviously feel this is a principia forum, so if your discourse and the way you live your life in in direct opposition to the forum's topic, then why the hell are you here for one? Two you're going to clash with those that are here to discuss the principia.
What you're talking about is a social circle, that the Rev admits that most here aren't even his type of discordian.
QuotePrince Tao Jones wrote:
Prince Tao Jones wrote:
The Good Reverend Roger wrote:
SssBella, Oracle of Doom wrote:
The Good Reverend Roger wrote:
When and where is it?
July 2nd. Chicago, Ill.
I'm not gonna make it this time, but some of the others will be there.
Trying to organize a discordian meeting.
If Bella ain't going, neither am I.
Why are you only comming if Bella Does?
Because most of the other posters here aren't my style of Discordian.
Again the reason I find the conventional mainstream religions absurd and destructive is that they are a contradiction to what they proclaim, and hypocrisy makes them ludicris.
If it's the same here, there needs to be a new chapter in the principia to discuss the discordians that are as daft as the other religions.
If it's to illustrate other religion's short commings, that can be clever, but rather I think it's cabbageness and fear that keep people from growing, progressing and constantly changing. If the board is getting stagnant, I'll speak up, but EVT and I are balls of creative energy, we think up crazy shit every day. If I wanted this I'd go to a Babtist church.
It'd be one thing if there was appreciation for our efforts, rather, you can here crickets after our posts, yet everyone jumps on a thread about clowns. Hence my juvenile, sophmoric comments.
There's enough room here for senseless Disorder, mindless fun, dogmatic jakery, self-righteous preaching, and lots more besides.
You think the board should focus more on the Jaking and mindfuckery? Well, bring it on. I kinda liked the Fed-Ex jake, and I thought the burka jake was amusing (with the addition of EVT's punchline). But if you think silliness and absurdity are too much on the center stage, well... I can't help you there. Somebody posted (and I can't remember who or where, exactly) that they jake out in the real world and post here for a dose of silliness, not to brag about it (something to that effect).
I can't fault that at all. The forum is here for everybody, and it is what you make of it. It is not 'supposed to be about jaking and mindfucking'. It's about Discordianism, specificly the Principia. OM and Project Jake didn't come from the PD, unless I read the expugated version. If you think jakery is the most important thing about being a Discordianism, you're right (you are, after all, a pope). But you're also mistaken. (so am I.) [RIP, Lord Omar]
Quote from: In another thread, GnimbleyShowing people respect is never taboo.
And that's what this comes down to. If you feel that the people here are not showing you respect, call them on it. But if you stoop to their level, you're both just gonna wind up with bruised egos, hurt feelings, and mean-spirited running jokes - which I don't think is what you were after.
Again that falls on deaf ears, and doing it jokingly falls on misinterpreted ears.
Oh, and the other reason I picked you to spar with over this topic: Cause I went after Roger last time. It was just your turn, man. And I'm glad that I did.
If you're fed up with the forum and wanna bail, I certianly can't stop you, though I'll consider it a shame that this is the only time we'll get to joust - I'm enjoying this. I'd only suggest that just because you don't see anything engaging here at the moment, doesn't mean you should go burning your bridges and storming off forever.
I mean, it's not like it's a paid membership, right? Doesn't cost you anything to check back later...
And finally, I'd suggest we all take Demonica's advice and have a group hug, then just forget about the whole thing. Cause in a hundred years, it's not gonna matter that she called you an extremeist or that you called her a child, but it might matter that we all got along and eventually managed to accomplish something positive. Or not. And if not, at least we wont be mean to each other anymore, and come to think of it, that would be accomplishing something positive.
I think that would be brushing fundamental issues under the carpet.
I think we need a thread about what we believe and why were all here, but you'd get plenty of nonsense answers that way as well, and folks would consider that too serious for discordians which is why I posted jokingly in the first place.
Damned if you do damned if you don't.
If I started like this they wouold have thought me too serious, if I joke, I'm a jerk.
The problem is that when others do it, it's ok, when I do it I'm slammed, I think that the biggest issue.
-CF
I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time telling who said what in the post above. I'd like to read it, but want to keep the players straight.
I think there's some quote commands missing or something.
well it looks like battle lines are being drawn. Our precious forum will be chared earth within weeks. I'll just say this. I don't agree with everything Rog says, but I know he's a decent person. I know Bella and gnibley and hugh and so many others are good too because they've treated me with kindness and respect since I landed here. Tao talks a mighty good philosophy, but that does little to change the fact that he's an asshole. just call me a rouge discordian.
QuoteYou wanted attention, you got it. Just might not have been the kind you were hoping for. I haven't been lurking and posting to this board for too long (certianly not for ages), so I can't speak to your feelings of being ignored, specifically, but I certianly understand frustration.
If you notice, no one anwers her posts, hence my joke "no one understands it anyway. No one answered mine when I did, just a game of chaos cop/order cop. Neither worked"
QuoteIt's all always about personal experience. Everybody looks at everything differently. This is what Discordianism is. It's not Rog's Destructive Disorder. It's not your Jakery and mindfucking. It's not my sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong. And it's certianly not SssBella & Her Zombie Legions' silliness.
These are just the things that each of us brings to the table.
Discordianism *is* the table.
Well I obviously feel this is a principia forum, so if your discourse and the way you live your life in in direct opposition to the forum's topic, then why the hell are you here for one? Two you're going to clash with those that are here to discuss the principia.
What you're talking about is a social circle, that the Rev admits that most here aren't even his type of discordian.
QuoteQuote:
Prince Tao Jones wrote:
Prince Tao Jones wrote:
The Good Reverend Roger wrote:
SssBella, Oracle of Doom wrote:
The Good Reverend Roger wrote:
When and where is it?
July 2nd. Chicago, Ill.
I'm not gonna make it this time, but some of the others will be there.
Trying to organize a discordian meeting.
If Bella ain't going, neither am I.
Why are you only comming if Bella Does?
Because most of the other posters here aren't my style of Discordian.
Again the reason I find the conventional mainstream religions absurd and destructive is that they are a contradiction to what they proclaim, and hypocrisy makes them ludicris.
If it's the same here, there needs to be a new chapter in the principia to discuss the discordians that are as daft as the other religions.
If it's to illustrate other religion's short commings, that can be clever, but rather I think it's cabbageness and fear that keep people from growing, progressing and constantly changing. If the board is getting stagnant, I'll speak up, but EVT and I are balls of creative energy, we think up crazy shit every day. If I wanted this I'd go to a Babtist church.
It'd be one thing if there was appreciation for our efforts, rather, you can here crickets after our posts, yet everyone jumps on a thread about clowns. Hence my juvenile, sophmoric comments.
QuoteAnd that's what this comes down to. If you feel that the people here are not showing you respect, call them on it. But if you stoop to their level, you're both just gonna wind up with bruised egos, hurt feelings, and mean-spirited running jokes - which I don't think is what you were after.
Again that falls on deaf ears, and doing it jokingly falls on misinterpreted ears. That's my gripe.
QuoteAnd finally, I'd suggest we all take Demonica's advice and have a group hug, then just forget about the whole thing. Cause in a hundred years, it's not gonna matter that she called you an extremeist or that you called her a child, but it might matter that we all got along and eventually managed to accomplish something positive. Or not. And if not, at least we wont be mean to each other anymore, and come to think of it, that would be accomplishing something positive.
I think that would be brushing fundamental issues under the carpet.
I think we need a thread about what we believe and why were all here, but you'd get plenty of nonsense answers that way as well, and folks would consider that too serious for discordians which is why I posted jokingly in the first place.
Damned if you do damned if you don't.
If I started like this they wouold have thought me too serious, if I joke, I'm a jerk.
The problem is that when others do it, it's ok, when I do it I'm slammed, I think that the biggest issue.
Thanks. This is a lot easier to read now.
Quote from: Colonel FailureQuote from: Tao1.there's plenty of examples of negative stuff going on, yet I'm the one you're writing to, not the others, as well as others who say nothing when people say certain things. Seems a different standard for different people.
Well, for starters:
Quote from: TaoPoint taken, but in context, we've been (including me) just matter of factly, and non-defensive for ages about our concerns and the feedback from our posts was falling on deaf ears. Being contraversial, confrontational and caustic was a tool to get people's attention, and it worked.
You wanted attention, you got it. Just might not have been the kind you were hoping for. I haven't been lurking and posting to this board for too long (certianly not for ages), so I can't speak to your feelings of being ignored, specifically, but I certianly understand frustration.
None of this has been to say, 'You're a bad person.'
There's another reason I picked you to engage on this topic, I'll get to that later.
But I think I have been clear in my posts (which everybody can read) that I don't consider you the only cause of this (curiously unwelcome) discord. But what? you want me to turn around and point fingers (other than at DD, whom I mentioned in my last post)? OK, that's fair.
For the record, I think SssBella, The Right Rev, Chaosgraves, among others are perpetuating the situation as much as you are, currently with the running gag, 'We'll have to check and see if Tao approves'.
So, to the masses on the other side of the fence: I'M TRYING TO GENERATE SOME PEACE, LOVE, AND UNDERSTANDING HERE, PEOPLE, AND YOU ARE NOT HELPING!!!!
But then, it may not be in their natures to be helpful.
Certianly not Rog... thought-provoking, perhaps, but not helpful in this regard...
I'm gonna toss this quote in before I continue:
Quote from: Tao2. This is all about personal experience. We're trying to say our personal experience is not that enjoyable here, as apposed to just dropping out. We've now voiced it, if things change we'll probably hang around, if not we're getting bored, and will do more productive stuff with our time.
The dificult implication is that we believe strongly in the idea of discordianism, and find the principia quite genius actually. So if we scram, and deem this place lame, we'll have to dissassociate ourselves with this forum and explain why. I.E. it's supposed to be about jaking and mindfucking, yet is overtaken by those who don't.
Also in it's current state, I'd never invite my current friends here. Sojme have dug holes in D. Rumsfeld's yard while he was looking out the window calling the cops on the cordless.
If I told them there's a forum for other creative pointed pranksters, they'd come here and go where are they?
It's all always about personal experience. Everybody looks at everything differently. This is what Discordianism is. It's not Rog's Destructive Disorder. It's not your Jakery and mindfucking. It's not my sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong. And it's certianly not SssBella & Her Zombie Legions' silliness.
These are just the things that each of us brings to the table.
Discordianism *is* the table.
There's enough room here for senseless Disorder, mindless fun, dogmatic jakery, self-righteous preaching, and lots more besides.
You think the board should focus more on the Jaking and mindfuckery? Well, bring it on. I kinda liked the Fed-Ex jake, and I thought the burka jake was amusing (with the addition of EVT's punchline). But if you think silliness and absurdity are too much on the center stage, well... I can't help you there. Somebody posted (and I can't remember who or where, exactly) that they jake out in the real world and post here for a dose of silliness, not to brag about it (something to that effect).
I can't fault that at all. The forum is here for everybody, and it is what you make of it. It is not 'supposed to be about jaking and mindfucking'. It's about Discordianism, specificly the Principia. OM and Project Jake didn't come from the PD, unless I read the expugated version. If you think jakery is the most important thing about being a Discordianism, you're right (you are, after all, a pope). But you're also mistaken. (so am I.) [RIP, Lord Omar]
Quote from: In another thread, GnimbleyShowing people respect is never taboo.
And that's what this comes down to. If you feel that the people here are not showing you respect, call them on it. But if you stoop to their level, you're both just gonna wind up with bruised egos, hurt feelings, and mean-spirited running jokes - which I don't think is what you were after.
Oh, and the other reason I picked you to spar with over this topic: Cause I went after Roger last time. It was just your turn, man. And I'm glad that I did.
If you're fed up with the forum and wanna bail, I certianly can't stop you, though I'll consider it a shame that this is the only time we'll get to joust - I'm enjoying this. I'd only suggest that just because you don't see anything engaging here at the moment, doesn't mean you should go burning your bridges and storming off forever.
I mean, it's not like it's a paid membership, right? Doesn't cost you anything to check back later...
And finally, I'd suggest we all take Demonica's advice and have a group hug, then just forget about the whole thing. Cause in a hundred years, it's not gonna matter that she called you an extremeist or that you called her a child, but it might matter that we all got along and eventually managed to accomplish something positive. Or not. And if not, at least we wont be mean to each other anymore, and come to think of it, that would be accomplishing something positive.
-CF
thats true colonel that wasn't cool... what kind of passive agressive behavior have I been perpetrating by those kinds of statements?!?!?... I like the fact that an articulate third party like yourself pointed this out... ( can I still enjoy my banishment until the curse is lifted( looks on it like a badge of honor))
Quote from: Prince Tao JonesQuoteYou wanted attention, you got it. Just might not have been the kind you were hoping for. I haven't been lurking and posting to this board for too long (certianly not for ages), so I can't speak to your feelings of being ignored, specifically, but I certianly understand frustration.
If you notice, no one anwers her posts, hence my joke "no one understands it anyway. No one answered mine when I did, just a game of chaos cop/order cop. Neither worked"
QuoteIt's all always about personal experience. Everybody looks at everything differently. This is what Discordianism is. It's not Rog's Destructive Disorder. It's not your Jakery and mindfucking. It's not my sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong. And it's certianly not SssBella & Her Zombie Legions' silliness.
These are just the things that each of us brings to the table.
Discordianism *is* the table.
Well I obviously feel this is a principia forum, so if your discourse and the way you live your life in in direct opposition to the forum's topic, then why the hell are you here for one? Two you're going to clash with those that are here to discuss the principia.
What you're talking about is a social circle, that the Rev admits that most here aren't even his type of discordian.
QuoteQuote:
Prince Tao Jones wrote:
Prince Tao Jones wrote:
The Good Reverend Roger wrote:
SssBella, Oracle of Doom wrote:
The Good Reverend Roger wrote:
When and where is it?
July 2nd. Chicago, Ill.
I'm not gonna make it this time, but some of the others will be there.
Trying to organize a discordian meeting.
If Bella ain't going, neither am I.
Why are you only comming if Bella Does?
Because most of the other posters here aren't my style of Discordian.
Again the reason I find the conventional mainstream religions absurd and destructive is that they are a contradiction to what they proclaim, and hypocrisy makes them ludicris.
If it's the same here, there needs to be a new chapter in the principia to discuss the discordians that are as daft as the other religions.
If it's to illustrate other religion's short commings, that can be clever, but rather I think it's cabbageness and fear that keep people from growing, progressing and constantly changing. If the board is getting stagnant, I'll speak up, but EVT and I are balls of creative energy, we think up crazy shit every day. If I wanted this I'd go to a Babtist church.
It'd be one thing if there was appreciation for our efforts, rather, you can here crickets after our posts, yet everyone jumps on a thread about clowns. Hence my juvenile, sophmoric comments.
QuoteAnd that's what this comes down to. If you feel that the people here are not showing you respect, call them on it. But if you stoop to their level, you're both just gonna wind up with bruised egos, hurt feelings, and mean-spirited running jokes - which I don't think is what you were after.
Again that falls on deaf ears, and doing it jokingly falls on misinterpreted ears. That's my gripe.
QuoteAnd finally, I'd suggest we all take Demonica's advice and have a group hug, then just forget about the whole thing. Cause in a hundred years, it's not gonna matter that she called you an extremeist or that you called her a child, but it might matter that we all got along and eventually managed to accomplish something positive. Or not. And if not, at least we wont be mean to each other anymore, and come to think of it, that would be accomplishing something positive.
I think that would be brushing fundamental issues under the carpet.
I think we need a thread about what we believe and why were all here, but you'd get plenty of nonsense answers that way as well, and folks would consider that too serious for discordians which is why I posted jokingly in the first place.
Damned if you do damned if you don't.
If I started like this they wouold have thought me too serious, if I joke, I'm a jerk.
The problem is that when others do it, it's ok, when I do it I'm slammed, I think that the biggest issue.
actually I dont think you would have been damned here If you didn't your commentary has pointed to starting your own website so others could view your ideas there...
I am still glad you are around... ( if your just trying to be right we'll spot it and run but it seems that you just want to be understood and want to understand...... i respect that ( me too)
Quote from: TaoIf you notice, no one anwers her posts, hence my joke "no one understands it anyway. No one answered mine when I did, just a game of chaos cop/order cop. Neither worked"
Point.
QuoteWell I obviously feel this is a principia forum, so if your discourse and the way you live your life in in direct opposition to the forum's topic, then why the hell are you here for one? Two you're going to clash with those that are here to discuss the principia.
And I feel it's a Discordian forum. Sure, the name is www.principiadiscordia.com, but I wouldn't suggest that this limits the topic of discussion only to the principia. There's a forum for that (Principia discussion), and a forum for silliness (Apple Talk), etc... Of course, being Discordians, we're inclined to blur the lines between them (Where's the fun in staying within the lines, anyway?). And since when is clashing a bad or even undesirable thing? You and I have been clashing, and it's been the highlight of my brief tenure here.
*This bit is directed at everybody, not just you, Tao.*I think what beeds the hostility is not as much a lack of respect as a failing to consider the impact of what one has to say (and more importantly) the way one chooses to say it.
Sure, we like to think of ourselves as enlightened and, by implication, somehow 'better' than the cabbages and greyfaces we deride. But if someone says something to us that can be taken as an insult, we're just as likely to take it that way and snap into defensive mode as any cabbage. For instance, the exchange between Tao, EVT and Demonica that I quoted in an earlier post.
Tao assumed she was calling him an extremeist, and so did EVT, and so did I. And he reacted by insulting her back. Perfectly normal. But to hear her tell it, she was not meaning to insult him, but rather refrencing a movie and the comment was meant to be taken in the manner of shrink/patient interaction.
In other words, "Tell me about your mother..."
I've looked at some other threads on this board, and noticed her using the exact same verbal construction at different places, where the choice of words she quoted did not lead to misinterpretation, so I am inclined to believe that she was simply misunderstood and didn't mean to insult Tao.
But the thing is, once the mud is flying, nobody seems to care that it was a misunderstanding since everything after that was obviously intentional.
When I criticize people, I try to phrase my comments as inoffensively as possible, not out of any touchy-feely can't-we-all-just-get-along mushiness, but out of simple efficiency. If what you really want is to make your point and have the other party consider it, you're shooting your self in the foot by pissing them off, 'cause then they will never listen to what you have to say, no matter how much sense it makes.
If what you want is to simply stir up some shit, then start mudslinging, by all means. But you do yourself and your fellow discordians a disservice by reducing the debate to namecalling and dismissing any points someone has to make.
QuoteWhat you're talking about is a social circle, that the Rev admits that most here aren't even his type of discordian.
I don't really know the Rev that well, but the vibe I get from his writings makes me suspect he may not be my type of discordian. Then again, maybe he is and the persona he adopts here is an incredibly subtle bit of irony. Maybe both of these things are true. In some sense.
But so what?
He's got the right to speak his mind, and I've got the right to attack his ideas if I think they're wrong. As long as it's the ideas I'm aiming for, not the Rev himself, there's no problem here. If you think he's promoting destructive discord and his ideas are harmful to Discordian goals - you're entitled.
But Eris is the Universe, good and bad both - she can be a lot of fun, and she can be a real bitch, too. Whatever you may think of Rog, he's not a greyface and he's not a cabbage. And by default, I guess that makes him one of us (mainly cause I think catagorizing people is a Bad Thing, and I don't want to come up with another one to put him in).
Personally, I don't think Rog was actually suggesting shrub should be a saint. He knows enough to know that he's a pope, and doesn't have to 'nominate' saints. If he wanted to, he could have just announced Bush's cannonization and it would have been a done deal. I think his goal was simply to stir up some shit - and it succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.
Your attack on his nomination for GWB for sainthood caused the reaction it did (and this is just my interpretation) because it came across as an elitist, 'I know more about Discordianism than you', kind of a thing. It was the presentation, and not the message that caused this bru-ha-ha (with precious little ha-ha, but lots of bru).
And that was only one specific example, I'll reiterate again that I don't think you bear the sole responsibility for recent incidents of hostility.
But sooner or later somebody's gonna have to take a step back and realize the simple truth that things just got out of hand, and it's time to apologize and move on to more productive pursuits. And by apologize, I absolutely do not mean, 'I was wrong.' Everybody's Wrong here, and Nobody's wrong. More along the lines of, 'I'm sorry if my comments were hurtful.' Or some mamby-pamby crap like that.
And honestly (*low blow alert*), do you think Rog is gonna take the moral high ground here? Not. He's leaning back, enjoying his handiwork. (As well he should be. In some sense.)
Of course, in a perfect world, no apologies would be necessary. Everybody would just look at each other, shrug, and say, "what were we arguing about? Huh... that was silly... now, where were we?" and then get on with more important things.
But what are the odds that everybody here will have an attack of sensibility at the same time?
OK, that's enough of me preaching civility.
Some random loose ends:
QuoteAgain the reason I find the conventional mainstream religions absurd and destructive is that they are a contradiction to what they proclaim, and hypocrisy makes them ludicris.
If it's the same here, there needs to be a new chapter in the principia to discuss the discordians that are as daft as the other religions.
Discordianism was intended (IMHO) as a sort of Taoist mockery of mainstream religion, and it is only natural (and appropriate) that that a certian amount of hipocrisy is included therein. I mean, come on... there are titles and places in the heirarchy for
heretics, ferGoddesssake.
To paraphrase some wholey writings (mainly because I'm too lazy to go get the specific reference right now), 'What would a religion be without a combersome and confusing heirarchy that no one understands? Sensible, that's what. And we'll have none of that here..."
Point is, everything contradictory, arbitrary, or hypocritical that other religions do in the name of threir misguided 'faith', we do
*because* it is contradictory, arbitrary, or hypocritical; Integrating the shortcomings of other faiths into our own, and turning them into stregnths is a form of mockery. Other religions choke on such things, or ignore and deny their presence. We embrace and thrive on them.
If you feel that some people here are taking that too far, you're entitled. If Rog, (or anyone else) bothers you that much, just call 'em an Episkopos, then ignore 'em.
You strike me as an intelligent, articulate, and passionate man, Tao. All of those are exceptional qualities - just don't let your passion rule you to the point that is makes you less articulate; Passion may be what drives you to accomplishment, but it can't accomplish anything on it's own.
QuoteI think that would be brushing fundamental issues under the carpet.
I would not suggest that this subject be closed. Only that the argument it created be closed. The subject can (and should) be revived with a more civil tone.
QuoteI think we need a thread about what we believe and why were all here, but you'd get plenty of nonsense answers that way as well, and folks would consider that too serious for discordians which is why I posted jokingly in the first place.
Yeah, you'd get some nonsense, but I think if we tried we could keep it on track. Won't know until we try, though... so do you wanna start it or should I?
QuoteThe problem is that when others do it, it's ok, when I do it I'm slammed, I think that the biggest issue.
I think there was some legitimate doubt on the part of the peanut gallery as to how much you were joking and how much you were being serious. Some of them took it perhaps more seriously than you intended them too, and it spiraled out from there. They may not have made similar misinterpretations about others' comments, and that might be construed as a double standard. It might also just be one of those things - I think this whole thing is basically a misunderstanding about tone and subtext, and I don't think anybody misunderstood on purpose.
Since I covered this topic earlier in this post, I won't belabor it again here. I generally despise the use of double standards, but if you're looking for a unilateral act of contrition from the community here, the realist in me says you may be out of luck.
You have basically two options, that I see:
Forgive and forget.
OR
Acknowledge and move on.
Over the years, my friendships have been rife with misunderstanding and arguments, and I've learned that you can do a fair degree of both without compromising your principles.
Personally, I'd prefer you took option A, since I'm now looking forward to that serious thread on the principles of Discordianism and I have this little idea of a neat jake I was gonna ask for input on... but you have to do what is right for you, and if it's option B, so be it.
Continuing this cycle of antagonism might technically be option C, but it's not one I can reccommend in good conscience.
Or Kill Me.
-CF
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisthats true colonel that wasn't cool... what kind of passive agressive behavior have I been perpetrating by those kinds of statements?!?!?... I like the fact that an articulate third party like yourself pointed this out... ( can I still enjoy my banishment until the curse is lifted( looks on it like a badge of honor))
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Though I've been directing my comments at Tao for the most part, I've been hoping that everybody was following along and would pick up on my point - which is simply this:
Nobody's really happy about this dispute. (Except maybe Rog.)
And:
We
all created and are perpetuating the dispute together, and we can end it together, too, just by deciding that's what we want to do.
I'll file your comment in my complement drawer, thank you very much. :)
And as for your banishment, you certianly don't need my permission to enjoy it - but if you want my opinion, I think that was one of Tao's most over-the-top moments, and quite obvously a joke. And the thread has been rather amusing. (I didn't but in 'cause I wasn't banished.)
I'm just hoping that everybody can count to ten, enhance their calm, and go back to having a joy-joy day.
-CF
i have already decided what i'm going to do, but one mighty barrier bars the way to salvation.
support free choice and send me $10 canadian so i can buy a six pack and show predestination who is boss!
Quote from: Colonel FailureQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisthats true colonel that wasn't cool... what kind of passive agressive behavior have I been perpetrating by those kinds of statements?!?!?... I like the fact that an articulate third party like yourself pointed this out... ( can I still enjoy my banishment until the curse is lifted( looks on it like a badge of honor))
8)
Though I've been directing my comments at Tao for the most part, I've been hoping that everybody was following along and would pick up on my point - which is simply this:
Nobody's really happy about this dispute. (Except maybe Rog.)
And:
We all created and are perpetuating the dispute together, and we can end it together, too, just by deciding that's what we want to do.
I'll file your comment in my complement drawer, thank you very much. :)
And as for your banishment, you certianly don't need my permission to enjoy it - but if you want my opinion, I think that was one of Tao's most over-the-top moments, and quite obvously a joke. And the thread has been rather amusing. (I didn't but in 'cause I wasn't banished.)
I'm just hoping that everybody can count to ten, enhance their calm, and go back to having a joy-joy day.
-CF
please do keep my comment in your complement drawer... as for the rest of it I stand by what I said.
Gawds!
I love a good ole strife session!
With that said,
I love both aspects of the 'Erites', the ancient Greeks were consummate liars, anyway. Just like the modern 'founders' of Discordianism.
If y'all want to follw the leader, join a Marxist group and quit your whining. The Principia is not the be all end all of Discordianism, nor was it meant to be.
That said, I loved Roger's piece.
Folks, we have a jihad to win here. Some people are trying to snub us rogue discordians. Get your golden apples ready!
Quote from: St. Hugh, KSCGawds!
I love a good ole strife session!
With that said,
I love both aspects of the 'Erites', the ancient Greeks were consummate liars, anyway. Just like the modern 'founders' of Discordianism.
If y'all want to follw the leader, join a Marxist group and quit your whining. The Principia is not the be all end all of Discordianism, nor was it meant to be.
That said, I loved Roger's piece.
Folks, we have a jihad to win here. Some people are trying to snub us rogue discordians. Get your golden apples ready!
mines in my pants... .... struggle!
Quote from: Colonel FailureBut sooner or later somebody's gonna have to take a step back and realize the simple truth that things just got out of hand, and it's time to apologize and move on to more productive pursuits. And by apologize, I absolutely do not mean, 'I was wrong.' Everybody's Wrong here, and Nobody's wrong. More along the lines of, 'I'm sorry if my comments were hurtful.' Or some mamby-pamby crap like that.
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Okay. I did my part.
BTW, that's as far as I got in reading your eloquent epistle. gnomes suffer from ADDDDDD [Attention Deficit & Duplicitous Death Defying Dumbass Disorder] and I fell asleep at that point. Sorry. I will do better next time. May I have a cookie now?
And it was a good part you did!
[Wow! That was my 5555th post!]
Quote from: St. Hugh, KSCGawds!
I love a good ole strife session!
With that said,
I love both aspects of the 'Erites', the ancient Greeks were consummate liars, anyway. Just like the modern 'founders' of Discordianism.
If y'all want to follw the leader, join a Marxist group and quit your whining. The Principia is not the be all end all of Discordianism, nor was it meant to be.
That said, I loved Roger's piece.
Folks, we have a jihad to win here. Some people are trying to snub us rogue discordians. Get your golden apples ready!
We rouges shall be snubed! I mean, We shall not be snubbed! Our demands will be met! Jihad has been declared. No amount of rational discussion can save us now.
*Throws a golden apple into the fire and runs*
That's the spirit!!!!!!
Here's some more.
::Hands Efrim a bottle of spirits::
A toast to the jihad!
Quote from: St. Hugh, KSCThat's the spirit!!!!!!
Here's some more.
::Hands Efrim a bottle of spirits::
A toast to the jihad!
That had better be absinthe!
::chugs the bottle except for a little at the bottom which he uses to make a moltov::
ach....gin...
Our demands will be met!!!!
::throws the moltov in no particular direction::
You made a molotov out of my share of the gin!?!?! :evil:
Good job.....I hate gin.
::hands Bella a gallon of tequila::
::throws molotov in a different direction from that above::
They wanted to cleanse the board? Hahahaha! Obviously they had no fucking idea who they were dealing with.
Jihad!!!!
:throws another moltov:
Quote from: St. Hugh, KSC::hands Bella a gallon of tequila::
::throws molotov in a different direction from that above::
Alrighty then! That's more like it.
Thanks.
::Throws two molotovs in two new directions::
::throws molotovs in 23 directions::
::Throws five molotovs in each of the 23 directions::
quack
Quote from: gnimbleyquack
meow!
Well, It's been entirely too long since I've done this...
*pulls out the shotgun of Thor*
bring both barrels tonight, not one.
Let's go hunt us some fundamentalist Discordians. :twisted:
Quote from: EfrimWell, It's been entirely too long since I've done this...
*pulls out the shotgun of Thor*
bring both barrels tonight, not one.
Let's go hunt us some fundamentalist Discordians. :twisted:
Well AWWL-RAAAight!
Quote from: Colonel FailureNobody's really happy about this dispute. (Except maybe Rog.)
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Quote from: EfrimThey wanted to cleanse the board? Hahahaha! Obviously they had no fucking idea who they were dealing with.
Jihad!!!!
:throws another moltov:
I've created a monster!
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Go forth, my minions! Destroy them all! Leave no two bricks together!And then kill me.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: EfrimThey wanted to cleanse the board? Hahahaha! Obviously they had no fucking idea who they were dealing with.
Jihad!!!!
:throws another moltov:
I've created a monster!
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Go forth, my minions! Destroy them all! Leave no two bricks together!
And then kill me.
::Starts a chain collision of cars::
*beats the next poster with my stick*
Yeah, well don't look at me.
I'm not posting next.....no way!
oooppppssss....
the insanity of jihad and now this....
sssbella...
beaten by this stick of the buddist faith...
sssbella....
*throws his head back and screams to the heavens*
can I get a reroll?!?!?
Quote from: gnimbleyQuote from: Colonel FailureBut sooner or later somebody's gonna have to take a step back and realize the simple truth that things just got out of hand, and it's time to apologize and move on to more productive pursuits. And by apologize, I absolutely do not mean, 'I was wrong.' Everybody's Wrong here, and Nobody's wrong. More along the lines of, 'I'm sorry if my comments were hurtful.' Or some mamby-pamby crap like that.
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Okay. I did my part.
BTW, that's as far as I got in reading your eloquent epistle. gnomes suffer from ADDDDDD [Attention Deficit & Duplicitous Death Defying Dumbass Disorder] and I fell asleep at that point. Sorry. I will do better next time. May I have a cookie now?
*hands gnimbley a cookie*
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Colonel FailureNobody's really happy about this dispute. (Except maybe Rog.)
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Did I call that? Huh? You strife-lover...
::writing everything down::
Quote from: CNN::writing everything down::
Make sure you get my name right.
Quote from: Colonel FailureQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Colonel FailureNobody's really happy about this dispute. (Except maybe Rog.)
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Did I call that? Huh? You strife-lover...
Dang. Gotta work on my poker face.
Quote from: TaoWell I obviously feel this is a principia forum, so if your discourse and the way you live your life in in direct opposition to the forum's topic, then why the hell are you here for one? Two you're going to clash with those that are here to discuss the principia. Quote from: Tao
Quote from: Colonel FailureAnd I feel it's a Discordian forum. Sure, the name is www.principiadiscordia.com, but I wouldn't suggest that this limits the topic of discussion only to the principia. There's a forum for that (Principia discussion), and a forum for silliness (Apple Talk), etc... Of course, being Discordians, we're inclined to blur the lines between them (Where's the fun in staying within the lines, anyway?). And since when is clashing a bad or even undesirable thing? You and I have been clashing, and it's been the highlight of my brief tenure here.Quote from: Colonel Failure
For about the 100th time, I'm not saying that the forum should be limited to the topic of discussion only to the principia. I'm saying that if most of the people here misunderstand it, or directly contratdict it, than the forum's been invaded by and anerisian virus, and is not fun for us to read, not fun for us to get criticized for our ideas by a bunch of folks that don't really have any ideas of their own.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=73803&highlight=#73803
If you like it, sit here and type away. We just feel like a bunch of morons spouting pointsless flock to while away the hours, days, years of our lives, we have better things to do.
Quote from: Colonel FailureAnd I'm all for the international jakery. Just my drug-addled mind can't think of anything cool for that... Quote from: Colonel Failure
Good talking to you, eventhough you seemed more to try and want me to enjoy the same things you do. I don't, sorry.
Destructive disorder and unenlightened interrelations is not what I'm looking for in my leisure time, have enough of it in my real life.
EVT and I don't wind up on our death beds looking back at a life of pot smoking, video games, and every couple hours addressing some pointless nonsense on the computer and feeling like "holy shit" I could have had a lot more fun and made people think.
Hope that for everyone, but I think most prefer that type of life here.
I'm sure as we have in the past month, check in every couple weeks, but if we same the same ol same ol, we'll just move on.
Those of you that want to say hi can pm us.
(only speaking for EVT because she doesn't have internet access, and am on the phone with her)
Quote from: prince tao jonessaying that if most of the people here misunderstand it, or directly contratdict it, than the forum's been invaded by and anerisian virus, and is not fun for us to read, not fun for us to get criticized for our ideas by a bunch of folks that don't really have any ideas of their own.
who are us?
Quote from: Prince Tao Jones[Destructive disorder and unenlightened interrelations is not what I'm looking for in my leisure time, have enough of it in my real life.
EVT and I don't wind up on our death beds looking back at a life of pot smoking, video games, and every couple hours addressing some pointless nonsense on the computer and feeling like "holy shit" I could have had a lot more fun and made people think.
Hope that for everyone, but I think most prefer that type of life here.
I'm sure as we have in the past month, check in every couple weeks, but if we same the same ol same ol, we'll just move on.
Those of you that want to say hi can pm us.
(only speaking for EVT because she doesn't have internet access, and am on the phone with her)
And the Heathens were vanquished...
hurrah for the rouge discordians! The day is ours!
*throws moltov in a purely celebratory way*
::throws another in salute to the Grand Inquisitor of the Rouge Discordians::
Always wanted to be a rouge discordian. :lol:
My sister is now telling everyone that she's a "rouge discordian gone bad".
They tried to lock her up for it yesterday......good thing she found a couple of unlit molotovs left over from the jihad!
Quote from: TaoGood talking to you, eventhough you seemed more to try and want me to enjoy the same things you do. I don't, sorry.
Good Talking to you, too... and I don't
want you to do anything... except maybe what you want to... And if that's going someplace else... so be it.
Carry on.
8)
You know... I just read this whole damn thing, and I don't think I have seen anything here before that has made me this upset or depressed.
I'm not upset by the fact that Rev. Roger called the PD a piece of trash - although I do think there are some rather good uses for it like ransom notes and liner for a bird cage.
I'm not upset byTao attacking the "false discordians" - after all, it's not like I care what he thinks of me or my beliefs.
I am upset that people got so worked up about this - come on.... since when did this group loose it's ability to roll and laugh at any puch thrown at it?
Anyone who's spent time reading and/or trying to make sense of my posts knows that I'm not one to sit around and tell people how to be discordian, nor am I one to go around talking about my beliefs or trying to get others to accept them.
With that being said, I will admit that there is one thing every person should do.... think for your own fucking self!
I don't give a shit if you are a principia beating "true" discordian, a bad discordian renegade, or a fucking eight foot blue french poodle.... just use that fucking sack of chemical reactions you have locked up in that damn skull of yours and make your own opinions and ideas, no matter how retarded they may be.
[Begin Targeted Attacks]
Tao Jones - What the fuck is wrong with you man? Here you are, acting like the "one true defender" to a religion from a book that tells you not to believe what you read... hell, even the fucking book tells you to think for yourself... and you fucking admitted it. So fuck what if Roger doesn't agree with you.... your own book tells you that you don't have to agree with others... and the whole pile of shit comment you made about people leaving, this forum being for the PD version of discordianism, and you wanting to use this place as a sort of meeting ground for "true" discordians.... hey, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that book of yours say that discordians must stick apart? Isn't it supposed to be a disorganized religion? You know, at times I considered you amusing, but I usualy just thought of you as a televangelist who got lost.
Rev. Roger - Let's see.... Discord doesn't mean wanton destruction... don't know what dictionary you are using, but the damn thing is broken, time to get another. The PD (while it may be gibberish) doesn't tell people to act like a bunch of burnt-out acid heads.... the damn thing does an amazing job at conflicting with itself, but does keep a pretty constant stance on using higher mental facilites. I know you started this thread with some motive in mind... don't think you do anything around here without some deeper motive, and while I do respect that, you need to keep in mind the effect that you are going to have. You know that there are a few people around here that have fallen into the PD completly, and some of them tend to get way too sensative to people attacking their beliefs... not that I mind you attacking their beliefs, but why in the fuck are you trying to piss them off... you know that it will start bullshit like this and that I am going to come back in here and read this shit, and get completly fed up with a whole bunch of shit.... is this payback for not posting more pancake stories, because if it is....
Demonica, Bella, Efrim- What the fuck is this "I want to be a bad discordian, like all the other bad discordians who subscribe to Rev. Rogers philosophy and believe in the destruction of all order" order bullshit? I like you and respect you all as people, but seriously, are you even thinking? It's like you are back in high-school trying to be part of the cool goth/jock/prep/hippie/whatever crowd again. Your posts in here say that you think and believe the same way Roger does, but I can't fucking believe that you have the exact same philosophies and beliefs...
Guido - Well, at least you know what you are, but just because you know that you are trying to fit into the crowd doesn't make it right.
Colonel - Ok, yea.... let me get this sorted out..... you seem to be trying to spread this "let's all get along and be lovey dovey." Hmm.... creative chaos vs. destructive chaos... funny thing is, both of them seem to have chaos in the name... and this tree-hugging hippie love one another bullshit has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with chaos..... how can you support either side (or even both sides) without realizing that chaos is the name of the fucking game here. We shouldn't all get along... that kind of bullshit leads to the same damn stagnation and order that's found in the rest of the world's religions... leave it to them.
Gnimbley - How dare you step out of character and be serious.... you should be tied to a tree naked while a fat hungarian woman named Helga whips you.
[End Targeted Attacks]
I didn't come to this forum because I am a PD beating discordian fundie, and I didn't come here to troll it and destroy the system of the system destroyers... hell, I didn't even come here due to calling myself a discordian... I came here becuase I expected to find people with free minds who are not afraid to think for themselvs instead of looking for a fucking leader that they can rally behind and follow in some sort of sheep mentality. It's the same damn mindset that the fucking christians get into... blindly believing and accepting beliefs because they are told to by their spiritual leader. I know and admit that base human instinct is to look for someone to lead you so that you don't have to make the hard choices yourself and so that you have something else to pin the blame/responsability on, but I was not thinking that I would ever run into that here. This isn't supposed to be that place.. this is supposed to be where people say "rules, fuck em"... where people don't care what others think of their ideology, and don't care about others.... the place where the only reason people can even wear the same title is because it's a title for those with wide and varied beliefs that don't fit into the scheme belonging to any other title. Do I worry about being called a discordian? Fuck no... Hell, I'd be just as happy calling myself a no-dick fuckwad as I am calling myself a discordian.
Please people, stop acting like it's such a big step to have beliefs and values that belong to you and are not those handed down to you by a larger group.
P.S. - If I mis-interpeted your stance, then I didn't mean to. If I offended you, then good... maby you needed it.
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I cant wait to see how this is greated
hopefully the way it was intended... me expressing my disbelief at the behavior of some people over this one incident. seems like a few people acted completly contrary to everything I ever knew about them.
QuoteGnimbley - How dare you step out of character and be serious.... you should be tied to a tree naked while a fat hungarian woman named Helga whips you.
why does he always get the good stuff :lol:
I can't even begin to cope with this right now.
Well, I've read, I've waited, and I've thought, and here's my 2c:
I'm not sure how many of you were around when Horab first showed up and the first Mods were given power. I got cocky. I was just a wee bit power drunk. And I turned into more of an asshole than usual. And Horab walking in and called me on it. I didn't like his attitude when he showed up. But, I've since learned (without his spelling it out for me, which he did) that it was intentional. And I let my annotance with him leak over onto other guest posters.
now I ask you, was he right? was I?
Now, as far as Jakery and Mindfucks - not my thing. I'll point out falws I see in any plans presented, but the likleyhood of me carrying any of them out is paper-thin. Why? Because I prefer to just talk to people and tell them the truth. If they can think about it, they will. If they can't, they're not worth my time.
As far as the board being a mass of sillyness and fluff: It was when I first showed up. It will be as long as it stands. Every attempt made to make it otherwise failed from lack of interest. The DIA forum was one such attempt. We ended up with about 2 posts per month. It seems that silliness and fluff is what most of the people here want most of the time.
It's easier to hear a kind lie than an unkind truth.
If you want serious discussion, make serious discussion. It may be spread out over ten times the space with fluff in between, but it will be there. And at least our fluff is more entertaining than five pages of "I agree" and "Me, too"
Eris is a goddess of strife, violence, and confusion.
This thread is sheer genius.
... and I do agree with Roger, the PD is trash. Its not bad for a light read over the toilet, though.
Quote from: The Good Reverend FUCKWe are the proxies of entropy, not a fucking coffee house poetry club.
This is my favorite line from the whole thing. Thats music to my ears.
Quote from: Prince Tao UnicronIf you believe in the negative Eris as being a positve and destructive chaos as a positve, then I will challenge it and hope those who just come here for some pseudo social acceptance's little brain nuerons may start firing in the right side of their brains.
For a taoist, you are out of balance here. Positive and negative simply are, and neither one of them posesses any special merit over the other.
But then again, I've always tried to be the very representation of Aneristic thought here on this board, and I'm sure that Tao Jones would hate me for it (If i cared enough to do a good job of it, anyway). Whereas I think he's missing the Tao of the Chao. Its always been my impression that the blatant contradictions in the Principia are intentionial, and whereas the surface layer of the book leads to the pious (and wacky) discordian, there is that subtle hint that empowers the true anerisian. Whats more discordian than being anti-discordian? The blatant contradictions are there to convey a simple point, think for yourself.
Anyway, on the flipside of that there is the lighthearted aspect to discordianism too. I cant deny.
Quote from: Rev. THWACKColonel - Ok, yea.... let me get this sorted out..... you seem to be trying to spread this "let's all get along and be lovey dovey." Hmm.... creative chaos vs. destructive chaos... funny thing is, both of them seem to have chaos in the name... and this tree-hugging hippie love one another bullshit has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with chaos..... how can you support either side (or even both sides) without realizing that chaos is the name of the fucking game here. We shouldn't all get along... that kind of bullshit leads to the same damn stagnation and order that's found in the rest of the world's religions... leave it to them.
QuoteP.S. - If I mis-interpeted your stance, then I didn't mean to. If I offended you, then good... maby you needed it.
Quotehopefully the way it was intended... me expressing my disbelief at the behavior of some people over this one incident. seems like a few people acted completly contrary to everything I ever knew about them.
Hmmm... nope, missed my point completely. I thought I was being derisive enough towards that touchy-feely crap, but perhaps I wasn't laying it on thick enough. My point was pretty close to yours actually - If you wanna talk about a difference of opinion, great, but there's no reason to make a rumble out of it, and why are you all taking this so personally? I do think there is a difference between having an argument (creative), and having a fight (destructive), even in a purely written context, and was just trying to throw that 'civility' meme out there - not the 'hippy' meme, as you seemed to think. I don't want everybody to agree, just thought we should respect one another. And I wasn't taking anybody's side, just saw a nifty bruhaha and decided to jump in on *my* side and throw my 2 cents in - I don't speak for other people. You wouldn't begrudge me that, wouldja?
And Hey, I don't have to explain myself to you anyway, do I?
Slot Off... you hoser.
8)
-CF
Quote from: Rev ThwackGnimbley - How dare you step out of character and be serious.... you should be tied to a tree naked while a fat hungarian woman named Helga whips you.
You mean, Helga?
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Quote from: Rev ThwackYou know... I just read this whole damn thing, and I don't think I have seen anything here before that has made me this upset or depressed.
I'm not upset by the fact that Rev. Roger called the PD a piece of trash - although I do think there are some rather good uses for it like ransom notes and liner for a bird cage.
I'm not upset byTao attacking the "false discordians" - after all, it's not like I care what he thinks of me or my beliefs.
I am upset that people got so worked up about this - come on.... since when did this group loose it's ability to roll and laugh at any puch thrown at it?
Anyone who's spent time reading and/or trying to make sense of my posts knows that I'm not one to sit around and tell people how to be discordian, nor am I one to go around talking about my beliefs or trying to get others to accept them.
With that being said, I will admit that there is one thing every person should do.... think for your own fucking self!
I don't give a shit if you are a principia beating "true" discordian, a bad discordian renegade, or a fucking eight foot blue french poodle.... just use that fucking sack of chemical reactions you have locked up in that damn skull of yours and make your own opinions and ideas, no matter how retarded they may be.
[Begin Targeted Attacks]
Tao Jones - What the fuck is wrong with you man? Here you are, acting like the "one true defender" to a religion from a book that tells you not to believe what you read... hell, even the fucking book tells you to think for yourself... and you fucking admitted it. So fuck what if Roger doesn't agree with you.... your own book tells you that you don't have to agree with others... and the whole pile of shit comment you made about people leaving, this forum being for the PD version of discordianism, and you wanting to use this place as a sort of meeting ground for "true" discordians.... hey, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that book of yours say that discordians must stick apart? Isn't it supposed to be a disorganized religion? You know, at times I considered you amusing, but I usualy just thought of you as a televangelist who got lost.
Rev. Roger - Let's see.... Discord doesn't mean wanton destruction... don't know what dictionary you are using, but the damn thing is broken, time to get another. The PD (while it may be gibberish) doesn't tell people to act like a bunch of burnt-out acid heads.... the damn thing does an amazing job at conflicting with itself, but does keep a pretty constant stance on using higher mental facilites. I know you started this thread with some motive in mind... don't think you do anything around here without some deeper motive, and while I do respect that, you need to keep in mind the effect that you are going to have. You know that there are a few people around here that have fallen into the PD completly, and some of them tend to get way too sensative to people attacking their beliefs... not that I mind you attacking their beliefs, but why in the fuck are you trying to piss them off... you know that it will start bullshit like this and that I am going to come back in here and read this shit, and get completly fed up with a whole bunch of shit.... is this payback for not posting more pancake stories, because if it is....
Demonica, Bella, Efrim- What the fuck is this "I want to be a bad discordian, like all the other bad discordians who subscribe to Rev. Rogers philosophy and believe in the destruction of all order" order bullshit? I like you and respect you all as people, but seriously, are you even thinking? It's like you are back in high-school trying to be part of the cool goth/jock/prep/hippie/whatever crowd again. Your posts in here say that you think and believe the same way Roger does, but I can't fucking believe that you have the exact same philosophies and beliefs...
Guido - Well, at least you know what you are, but just because you know that you are trying to fit into the crowd doesn't make it right.
Colonel - Ok, yea.... let me get this sorted out..... you seem to be trying to spread this "let's all get along and be lovey dovey." Hmm.... creative chaos vs. destructive chaos... funny thing is, both of them seem to have chaos in the name... and this tree-hugging hippie love one another bullshit has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with chaos..... how can you support either side (or even both sides) without realizing that chaos is the name of the fucking game here. We shouldn't all get along... that kind of bullshit leads to the same damn stagnation and order that's found in the rest of the world's religions... leave it to them.
Gnimbley - How dare you step out of character and be serious.... you should be tied to a tree naked while a fat hungarian woman named Helga whips you.
[End Targeted Attacks]
I didn't come to this forum because I am a PD beating discordian fundie, and I didn't come here to troll it and destroy the system of the system destroyers... hell, I didn't even come here due to calling myself a discordian... I came here becuase I expected to find people with free minds who are not afraid to think for themselvs instead of looking for a fucking leader that they can rally behind and follow in some sort of sheep mentality. It's the same damn mindset that the fucking christians get into... blindly believing and accepting beliefs because they are told to by their spiritual leader. I know and admit that base human instinct is to look for someone to lead you so that you don't have to make the hard choices yourself and so that you have something else to pin the blame/responsability on, but I was not thinking that I would ever run into that here. This isn't supposed to be that place.. this is supposed to be where people say "rules, fuck em"... where people don't care what others think of their ideology, and don't care about others.... the place where the only reason people can even wear the same title is because it's a title for those with wide and varied beliefs that don't fit into the scheme belonging to any other title. Do I worry about being called a discordian? Fuck no... Hell, I'd be just as happy calling myself a no-dick fuckwad as I am calling myself a discordian.
Please people, stop acting like it's such a big step to have beliefs and values that belong to you and are not those handed down to you by a larger group.
P.S. - If I mis-interpeted your stance, then I didn't mean to. If I offended you, then good... maby you needed it.
1.) What no Gripes with Me? I feel left out again...
2.) I agree with you 50% of the time
3.) I disagree with you 50% of the time
4.) I'm a synthesist so sue me...
Quote from: Rev ThwackDemonica, Bella, Efrim- What the fuck is this "I want to be a bad discordian, like all the other bad discordians who subscribe to Rev. Rogers philosophy and believe in the destruction of all order" order bullshit? I like you and respect you all as people, but seriously, are you even thinking? It's like you are back in high-school trying to be part of the cool goth/jock/prep/hippie/whatever crowd again. Your posts in here say that you think and believe the same way Roger does, but I can't fucking believe that you have the exact same philosophies and beliefs...
Quote from: efrimwell it looks like battle lines are being drawn. Our precious forum will be chared earth within weeks. I'll just say this. I don't agree with everything Rog says, but I know he's a decent person. I know Bella and gnibley and hugh and so many others are good too because they've treated me with kindness and respect since I landed here. Tao talks a mighty good philosophy, but that does little to change the fact that he's an asshole. just call me a rouge discordian.
There. I wrote that just before the whole mess started. I don't agree with everything Rev. Rog or anybody else here says, but I certainly agree with Rog a hell of a lot more then I agree with a prick like Tao. I don't think any of us were taking the whole "Rouge discordians" thing seriously, it was just something fun to do. Obviously throwing imaginary moltovs does not reflect any of my philosophical or spirtual beliefs. Alright, take care Thwack. You can think whatever you want to, but I did want to defend myself against claims of utter conformity.
Quote from: Rev Thwackhopefully the way it was intended... me expressing my disbelief at the behavior of some people over this one incident. seems like a few people acted completly contrary to everything I ever knew about them.
Surprise!!!
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: Rev Thwackhopefully the way it was intended... me expressing my disbelief at the behavior of some people over this one incident. seems like a few people acted completly contrary to everything I ever knew about them.
Surprise!!!
No kidding. Surprise! is what happens when you assume you "know" someone or put them on a pedestal they don't want to be on in the first place.
I've been friends with Bella and her sister forever and would never presume to presume I know what to expect from them. And I would also never take it for granted that they were being completely serious. Bella's sense of humor is very dry and often misunderstood. I was here with her that night and I'm telling you that it was as much a joke as it was serious.
And I'm sorry if you're mad at me for writing this after you asked me not to defend you Bel, but I had to.
Quote from: Rev ThwackRev. Roger - Let's see.... Discord doesn't mean wanton destruction...
Sez YOU.
Quote from: Rev Thwacknot that I mind you attacking their beliefs, but why in the fuck are you trying to piss them off...
Because it's
my nature. Ask the sun why it rises.
Quote from: Rev Thwackis this payback for not posting more pancake stories, because if it is....
Hehehe...I WARNED you.
Quote from: Rev ThwackDemonica, Bella, Efrim- What the fuck is this "I want to be a bad discordian, like all the other bad discordians who subscribe to Rev. Rogers philosophy and believe in the destruction of all order" order bullshit?
I think you're reading too much into this. All we wanted was a little Jihaad. Is that so wrong?
i agree with amny of the things the good reverend says, but, then i coldn;t really be pressed to say he's a decent person either. indeed, i'm of a mind to reckon he's downright degenerate.
Quote from: illusionQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: Rev Thwackhopefully the way it was intended... me expressing my disbelief at the behavior of some people over this one incident. seems like a few people acted completly contrary to everything I ever knew about them.
Surprise!!!
No kidding. Surprise! is what happens when you assume you "know" someone or put them on a pedestal they don't want to be on in the first place.
*laughs* You'd be suprised how combative people can get over being boxed, or put on a plinth.
you would also be surprised at how much I understand of what is going on.
[Read Sig And Be Enlightend]
Quote from: Rev Thwackyou would also be surprised at how much I understand of what is going on.
[Read Sig And Be Enlightend]
*reads sig*
You masher...
heh.
Quote from: Rev Thwackheh.
*HUGS*
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
What can I say... I like hugging people.
Makes it easier for me to reach their back with my stabbity knife.
Quote from: horabi agree with amny of the things the good reverend says, but, then i coldn;t really be pressed to say he's a decent person either. indeed, i'm of a mind to reckon he's downright degenerate.
I blame it on my mis-spent youth.
Quote from: Rev Thwackyou would also be surprised at how much I understand of what is going on.
[Read Sig And Be Enlightend]
I'll read your sig but I refuse to be enlightened.
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: Rev Thwackyou would also be surprised at how much I understand of what is going on.
[Read Sig And Be Enlightend]
I'll read your sig but I refuse to be enlightened.
Why not? it's fun to be enlightend... then you have an excuse to go out and sit around the pool/beach, hitting on cute women/men that couldn't win a battle of wits against a tuna can*.
*they're tricky like that, those tuna cans.
Tuna is a great help in the fight against malodorous dogs, I was told.
Dear Good Reverend,
I am having a horribly hard time finding the punchline in that rant of yours. Perhaps your humor is above my level of understanding. I was also wondering (and hoping) if all those rules about opposition, not saying Principia quotes, and other such ilk were jokes too.
- Imperial Lackey Mushman the Manic
Of the AbsoluteAtaxia Cabal
Quote from: AbsoluteAtaxiaDear Good Reverend,
I am having a horribly hard time finding the punchline in that rant of yours.
Yeah, same here.
Quote from: AbsoluteAtaxiaPerhaps your humor is above my level of understanding.
That's one possible explaination, among many.
Quote from: AbsoluteAtaxiaI was also wondering (and hoping) if all those rules about opposition, not saying Principia quotes, and other such ilk were jokes too.
- Imperial Lackey Mushman the Manic
Of the AbsoluteAtaxia Cabal
Huh? Someone put ME in charge? Quote all you like. Staple the damn thing to your forehead, for all I care. It's YOUR life.
If you think that rant was all a joke, then by Gawd you'll never get the "punchline".
i got the punchline but I refuse to find it funny.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerSecond, his book, Principia Discordia is gibberish.
Gibberish, completely true! Gibberish is usually a result of a lack of organization.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerDISCORDianism. The adherence to, and spreading of, DISCORD. Tear the filthy thing down. Smash it, and drive the survivors into the wasteland...and it doesn't really matter what "it" is.
Seems a bit serious, greyfacious even, don't ya think? Why not just give the filthy thing a good fondling?
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerBecause, to us, NO organization is "benign".
Your rant seems clearly thought out and organized.
In conclusion, go about your day and pretend like this never happened.
Quote from: AbsoluteAtaxiaQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerSecond, his book, Principia Discordia is gibberish.
Gibberish, completely true! Gibberish is usually a result of a lack of organization.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerDISCORDianism. The adherence to, and spreading of, DISCORD. Tear the filthy thing down. Smash it, and drive the survivors into the wasteland...and it doesn't really matter what "it" is.
Seems a bit serious, greyfacious even, don't ya think? Why not just give the filthy thing a good fondling?
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerBecause, to us, NO organization is "benign".
Your rant seems clearly thought out and organized.
In conclusion, go about your day and pretend like this never happened.
1. If that's your idea of chaos, who the hell am I to shf;sajhp usytvco8xi7obvisuhgf;isvlbu k;SHJDpvo8s7ypfb SH;OUFIH'sj] sfij[oihs?
2. Quite right. The best way to spread discord would be to play silly word games, and act like a fatous airhead. My bad.
3. Thanks.
1. That was very chaotic.
2. Now I'm rather confused. Since I never mentioned word games or fatous airheads. But your commentary is appreciated.
3. Your welcome.
Quote from: AbsoluteAtaxia1. That was very chaotic.
2. Now I'm rather confused. Since I never mentioned word games or fatous airheads. But your commentary is appreciated.
3. Your welcome.
1. Not really.
2. No problem.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
2. Quite right. The best way to spread discord would be to play silly word games, and act like a fatous airhead. My bad.
1. I have a lot more to say about your rant but I'm still chewing over a response.
2. There's nothing wrong with playing silly word games.
3. I like to number my sentences.
4. Fatuous Airheads would be a great band name.
5. There is no sentence five.
Quote from: kmandiblesQuote from: The Good Reverend Roger
2. Quite right. The best way to spread discord would be to play silly word games, and act like a fatous airhead. My bad.
1. I have a lot more to say about your rant but I'm still chewing over a response.
2. There's nothing wrong with playing silly word games.
3. I like to number my sentences.
4. Fatuous Airheads would be a great band name.
5. There is no sentence five.
1.Is the response lean or fatty?!?!?
2. until they get you shot.
3. me too.
4. it is.
6. I know.
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: kmandiblesQuote from: The Good Reverend Roger
2. Quite right. The best way to spread discord would be to play silly word games, and act like a fatous airhead. My bad.
1. I have a lot more to say about your rant but I'm still chewing over a response.
2. There's nothing wrong with playing silly word games.
3. I like to number my sentences.
4. Fatuous Airheads would be a great band name.
5. There is no sentence five.
1.Is the response lean or fatty?!?!?
2. until they get you shot.
3. me too.
4. it is.
6. I know.
23. Lean, with a saucy rhetorical repertoire.
42. Or until someone loses an eye?
216. And the Goddess spoke thusly: "Number your sentences, and surely thou will find DOOM."
333. There should be a band name topic.
3125. Hi!
Quote from: kmandiblesQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: kmandiblesQuote from: The Good Reverend Roger
2. Quite right. The best way to spread discord would be to play silly word games, and act like a fatous airhead. My bad.
1. I have a lot more to say about your rant but I'm still chewing over a response.
2. There's nothing wrong with playing silly word games.
3. I like to number my sentences.
4. Fatuous Airheads would be a great band name.
5. There is no sentence five.
1.Is the response lean or fatty?!?!?
2. until they get you shot.
3. me too.
4. it is.
6. I know.
23. Lean, with a saucy rhetorical repertoire.
42. Or until someone loses an eye?
216. And the Goddess spoke thusly: "Number your sentences, and surely thou will find DOOM."
333. There should be a band name topic.
3125. Hi!
I
am DOOM. I was minding my own business until sentence #216 found me and interrupted my nap. :evil:
Quote from: kmandibles23. Lean, with a saucy rhetorical repertoire.
42. Or until someone loses an eye?
216. And the Goddess spoke thusly: "Number your sentences, and surely thou will find DOOM."
333. There should be a band name topic.
3125. Hi!
32! i'll take two, one for me and one for my friends date.
24! it's all fun and games till someone gets soap in the hole.
612! "Not that you won't find DOOM anyway."
333! there should be a band name topic.
5213! NO!
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: kmandibles23. Lean, with a saucy rhetorical repertoire.
42. Or until someone loses an eye?
216. And the Goddess spoke thusly: "Number your sentences, and surely thou will find DOOM."
333. There should be a band name topic.
3125. Hi!
32! i'll take two, one for me and one for my friends date.
24! it's all fun and games till someone gets soap in the hole.
612! "Not that you won't find DOOM anyway."
333! there should be a band name topic.
5213! NO!
7. "A hollow voice says, FOOL."
8. Is Great.
893w5v69w384698! the western front is lopsided and liable to crash.
743tv093245692y3! I'm not at the moment worried about the future.
40395-ub43095pq9! there should be a band name topic.
-609684745 There is/was a band name topic somewhere.
~3.14^23253200100: you have been protected from the terrible secret of space. - the pusher robot.
All hail the pusher robot.
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisAll hail the pusher robot.
Gawd DAMN the pusher robot...
Rev Roger,
Is showing his age with that Steppenwolf quote.
couldn't make it all the way through... but had to say this before i left.. if you got a problem, you got it.
do what thou wilt.
kim (reading the principia)
Quote from: sakredchaocouldn't make it all the way through...
Everyone's a critic. :D
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisAll hail the pusher robot.
Gawd DAMN the pusher robot...
Rev Roger,
Is showing his age with that Steppenwolf quote.
Rog, The band or the book?
Trollax, Only asks a dumb question because he likes to be sure.
Quote from: St. Trollax, ODDQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisAll hail the pusher robot.
Gawd DAMN the pusher robot...
Rev Roger,
Is showing his age with that Steppenwolf quote.
Rog, The band or the book?
Trollax, Only asks a dumb question because he likes to be sure.
The band.
I like the last waltz
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerThe one good idea, of course, being that you should think for yourself.
Sirs,
I apologize for dipping my naive fly in your proverbial teapot (or however the phrases go). I am new around here (if you couldn't tell by the number of posts I've made), and somewhat unfamiliar with the present state of Discordian philosophy and theology.
Anyway -- I read the Most Reverend Roger's initial rant, and agreed wholeheartedly with the first half (regarding the PD being crap). I was a bit perturbed by the second half (about Eris encouraging destruction and discord), but that is neither hither nor thither.
What disturbed me particularly -- and stop me if this has been discussed already, as I haven't read
every thread on these forums -- was his comment about the one good idea in the book being "think for yourself". I may be the only person who feels this way, but I didn't think that this was a thesis of the book at all.
I thought that the entire thesis of the book might be summed up thusly: Chaos is the lifeblood of the universe. We are surrounded by weird, non-sensical things like male nipples, and duck-billed platypuses, and everywhere continuous but nowhere differentiable functions. None of it makes any sense, stupid crap happens to us every day, and if there's anybody out there running this place, then She must obviously be off of Her rocker.
So in the end, you have to learn to observe the exquisite beauty with which the universe, in spite of its total lack of conscious guidance, manages to maliciously and repeatedly snap your bike chain at the same time as your car is in the shop. The Discordian will fix his chain and car (we have to eat -- we are, after all, Discordians, not breatharians), just like a (if you will) Greyface would. The difference is that the Discordian is capable of being amused by the awful things that happen to him, and is capable of being more amused and impressed the more awful they are. He does not see chaos as evil and attempt to tame it.
A logical
result of this philosophy, of course, is that you can think for yourself.
Can. You don't have to. The PD makes that point pretty explicitly at times. But you can. And if you feel the need to stick gum in coin slots, you can do that too. Nothing in Discordianism will stop you, particularly if doing such things tickles you.
And since the entire point of the book is that you need to be capable of being amused by the universe,
of course the PD is total crap. It has to be. Once you grok the full depth of its nonsense, and realize the genius of its sheer idiocy, you are ready to look at the real world through Discordian eyes -- and frankly, the real world is far more nonsensical and idiotic than the book itself. Not to mention infinitely more complex.
I suspect that the religion -- if you wish to call it that -- attracts weirdos and free thinkers because firstly they are looking for validation of their uniqueness, and secondly they are simply more likely to fall into the Discordian point of view. Surrounded by other free thinkers, we tend to assume that somehow Discordian means Free Thinker, and Greyface means Sheep; in fact, the only difference is whether you would laugh or cry if a meteor were to suddenly come crashing down through your car's engine.
So am I totally off-base with this viewpoint? Am I unique in believing that the PD nowhere encourages free thinking over following the crowds, and that it merely encourages a particular view of the universe?
Quote from: EchidnosaurQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerThe one good idea, of course, being that you should think for yourself.
So am I totally off-base with this viewpoint? Am I unique in believing that the PD nowhere encourages free thinking over following the crowds, and that it merely encourages a particular view of the universe?
Depends if you take it at face value.
BTW: Good podt, but you lost points for using the word "Grok".
grok
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerDepends if you take it at face value.
BTW: Good podt, but you lost points for using the word "Grok".
Which way are you arguing? Are you suggesting that the face value is free thinking, or that the face value is what I'm saying? What I am claiming is that the face value is its suggestion to think freely, and that this is the meaning below that.
BTW: I award myself twenty five points for having such pretty hair. I believe that puts me at +17 total.
Quote from: EchidnosaurQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerDepends if you take it at face value.
BTW: Good podt, but you lost points for using the word "Grok".
Which way are you arguing? Are you suggesting that the face value is free thinking, or that the face value is what I'm saying? What I am claiming is that the face value is its suggestion to think freely, and that this is the meaning below that.
BTW: I award myself twenty five points for having such pretty hair. I believe that puts me at +17 total.
But you lose 100 points for that disgusting trick you always pull at parties.
That's right, folks...you can dress him up, but you can't take him anywhere...
QuoteAnyway -- I read the Most Reverend Roger's initial rant, and agreed wholeheartedly with the first half (regarding the PD being crap). I was a bit perturbed by the second half (about Eris encouraging destruction and discord), but that is neither hither nor thither.
This is not directed at you, Echidnosaur. I'm merely quoting you out of context to launch into a short, awkward rant. You're welcome.
What's with all this sissy bullshit about having a problem with "destructive chaos", etc. . .? What, just because something is unpleasant it's wrong? The fact that we don't like something is reason enough to dismiss it out of hand?
Things need to break down. The universe doesn't seem to care overmuch whether that happens "naturally" (total BS, everything's natural) or if some idiot in a riced-out honda comes along and whacks it with a golf club. In fact, last time I looked no-one consulted us beforehand about what SHOULD happen, and how things OUGHT to go.
Order is imposed, order breaks down. I don't see that in terms of "creative" and "destructive", since the act of creation looks a hell of a lot like taking a primordial mishmash and ordering it all up. It can be beautifully ordered, or lightly ordered, or ordered with a side of fries, but it's all order, this creation. I mean, unless someone has figured out a way to create new matter and just no-one told me about it.
Chaos doesn't care what kind of value judgements we stick to its various forms. And I suppose chaos doesn't care what I have to say RE: what it cares about, either. Take it for what you will.
Quote from: Llama Wishfart RinpocheQuoteAnyway -- I read the Most Reverend Roger's initial rant, and agreed wholeheartedly with the first half (regarding the PD being crap). I was a bit perturbed by the second half (about Eris encouraging destruction and discord), but that is neither hither nor thither.
This is not directed at you, Echidnosaur. I'm merely quoting you out of context to launch into a short, awkward rant. You're welcome.
What's with all this sissy bullshit about having a problem with "destructive chaos", etc. . .? What, just because something is unpleasant it's wrong? The fact that we don't like something is reason enough to dismiss it out of hand?
Things need to break down. The universe doesn't seem to care overmuch whether that happens "naturally" (total BS, everything's natural) or if some idiot in a riced-out honda comes along and whacks it with a golf club. In fact, last time I looked no-one consulted us beforehand about what SHOULD happen, and how things OUGHT to go.
Order is imposed, order breaks down. I don't see that in terms of "creative" and "destructive", since the act of creation looks a hell of a lot like taking a primordial mishmash and ordering it all up. It can be beautifully ordered, or lightly ordered, or ordered with a side of fries, but it's all order, this creation. I mean, unless someone has figured out a way to create new matter and just no-one told me about it.
Chaos doesn't care what kind of value judgements we stick to its various forms. And I suppose chaos doesn't care what I have to say RE: what it cares about, either. Take it for what you will.
Another idea: Destructiv chaos is beneficial, when that which is the target is evil, sick, and wrong.
We Doktors(tm) know a hopeless case when we see one.
*jumps up and down*
i want to break stuff!
Quote from: sakredchao*jumps up and down*
i want to break stuff!
Not as much as you're about to.
roger.. you are some sort of master that sees through human nature.. i'm reading and posting this after i read #5.
i'm going to be extra sure to cause chaos on my way across the country this next week.
if there ever were a reason for wanton destruction, that would be it.
kim
Quote from: sakredchaoroger.. you are some sort of master that sees through human nature.. i'm reading and posting this after i read #5.
i'm going to be extra sure to cause chaos on my way across the country this next week.
if there ever were a reason for wanton destruction, that would be it.
kim
You, too, can be a master. It's really simple...Just assume the worst in people.
This will help you see through the bullshit. Like liberals demanding PC speech, or conservatives peddling their supply-side snake oil.
Human nature? Easy...we are jumped-up monkeys, with just enough intelligence to be dangerous.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: sakredchaoroger.. you are some sort of master that sees through human nature.. i'm reading and posting this after i read #5.
i'm going to be extra sure to cause chaos on my way across the country this next week.
if there ever were a reason for wanton destruction, that would be it.
kim
You, too, can be a master. It's really simple...Just assume the worst in people.
This will help you see through the bullshit. Like liberals demanding PC speech, or conservatives peddling their supply-side snake oil.
Human nature? Easy...we are jumped-up monkeys, with just enough intelligence to be dangerous.
Sometimes we even have enough intelligence to be kind decent and civil. SOMETIMES.
Quote from: archPope Rocket P LlamaQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: sakredchaoroger.. you are some sort of master that sees through human nature.. i'm reading and posting this after i read #5.
i'm going to be extra sure to cause chaos on my way across the country this next week.
if there ever were a reason for wanton destruction, that would be it.
kim
You, too, can be a master. It's really simple...Just assume the worst in people.
This will help you see through the bullshit. Like liberals demanding PC speech, or conservatives peddling their supply-side snake oil.
Human nature? Easy...we are jumped-up monkeys, with just enough intelligence to be dangerous.
Sometimes we even have enough intelligence to be kind decent and civil. SOMETIMES.
Sometimes...and usually it's when we think we have to.
reason and intelligence fly out the window under the wind of emotiona nad passion.
reality is often not reasonable, why should i be?
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerYou simply aren't going to gain the favor of the goddess by playing "three word game". She'd rather see you shoving chewing gum in the coin slots of the subway entrance stiles, or simply playing "let's you and him fight".
I like the idea of using "Games People Play " as a handbook for discordian activities.
transactional analysis for fun and profit.
bump.
the fun starts page 2 or 3. umm goo didea to read teh inital article too. a godo one, even if you don't necessairly agree with it.
Bringing up the oldies, huh?
Seems like you people want to relive the days of the horrid Jihad of 2004.
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCBringing up the oldies, huh?
Seems like you people want to relive the days of the horrid Jihad of 2004.
I am already jihading against myself, for my past crimes. I may have to sit this one out.
Quote from: ScribeQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCBringing up the oldies, huh?
Seems like you people want to relive the days of the horrid Jihad of 2004.
I am already jihading against myself, for my past crimes. I may have to sit this one out.
Too late. Hoshiko called it already two weeks ago. The Jihad is coming to a spleen near you.
Two weeks ago? Damn, I must have missed it. Who's the target? Other than my spleen.
Quote from: ScribeTwo weeks ago? Damn, I must have missed it. Who's the target? Other than my spleen.
The answer will be revealed in the activity that befalls the target. Don't worry. Jihad is jihad and this one is a little less flamboyant then the last one...but more effective and malicious....
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: ScribeTwo weeks ago? Damn, I must have missed it. Who's the target? Other than my spleen.
The answer will be revealed in the activity that befalls the target. Don't worry. Jihad is jihad and this one is a little less flamboyant then the last one...but more effective and malicious....
Fairy muff then. I think I know whats happening, but I'll keep it to myself...
so basically you're saying how discordianism is a load of shit which dosn't mean anything? hmm, actually, i don't think it was supposed to mean anything...
well written Rog...
i kinda use discordianism as a "if i'd have to choose a religion" type answer to questions, and various other shit... the "religion" kinda makes sence though, because there will always be disorder...
~bob-o
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: ScribeTwo weeks ago? Damn, I must have missed it. Who's the target? Other than my spleen.
The answer will be revealed in the activity that befalls the target. Don't worry. Jihad is jihad and this one is a little less flamboyant then the last one...but more effective and malicious....
I think I have it figured out.
figured what out... Hugh is a idiot?
Quote from: Pēleus on April 25, 2010, 12:34:50 PM
figured what out... Hugh is a idiot?
More to the point, Trollax was a fucking MORON.
Did the OP get nuked or something? :?
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 26, 2010, 01:36:52 AM
Did the OP get nuked or something? :?
I killed it during a fight with the old mods.
Oh.
Oh yes, I found it. And then read it. A good read (even if that wasn't the reason for the bump).
Quote from: Prince Tao Jones on June 01, 2004, 03:24:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerBeware, O ye of little faith, for the things I am about to say will piss thee off to no fucking end.
Let me start off by stating that Malaclypse the Younger is, and always has been a fraud. That's right. Bogus. Phoney. His real name is Kerry Thornley, and he did NOT "walk into the ocean" thirty years ago. He is alive and well, and living in Cleveland, Ohio.
Second, his book, Principia Discordia is gibberish. Utter rot. It has two or three good jokes in it, and one (1) good idea. It's basically an acid rant that reads like the end of a Robert Anton Wilson novel...which is to say, it's garbage. The one good idea, of course, being that you should think for yourself. Obviously, some backsliders like to quote it and/or insist that people act according to its "teachings" if they want to be a "true" Discordian.
Obviously bullshit.
In fact, this false prophet and his teachings have led countless Discordians astray. They have been led to believe that, to be a discordian, one must act as if one was tripping, even when NOT under the influence of psychadelic drugs. It has led people to believe that Eris is some demented aspect of Bacchus, where we all focus on having a good time. Poetry, games, inebriation, etc.
Sorry, wrong Gawd.
Eris is the goddess of DISCORD. Take a minute, and look that word up. I'll wait.
Back now? Good, we'll continue.
DISCORDianism. The adherence to, and spreading of, DISCORD. Tear the filthy thing down. Smash it, and drive the survivors into the wasteland...and it doesn't really matter what "it" is. We are the adherents of OPPOSITION. We oppose for the sake of opposition itself. We don't take sides, we don't play favorites, and it's a wonder that we are a "we" at all.
We are the proxies of entropy, not a fucking coffee house poetry club. We back the wrong horse, in the sheer hope of clogging up the guts of the machine, and it really makes no difference if the "machine" is malevolent or benign...Because, to us, NO organization is "benign".
You simply aren't going to gain the favor of the goddess by playing "three word game". She'd rather see you shoving chewing gum in the coin slots of the subway entrance stiles, or simply playing "let's you and him fight".
The higher up in an organization that you can cause chaos, the more Eris will shower you with her blessings. Avoid being caught (so you can do it again), and she'll even take them out of the big, heavy can first.
So spare me the quotes and the anecdotes from Principia. Forget that old fraud, Malaclypse, because Eris already has.
Or kill me.
This Is The Kind of Shit We Have To Put Up With Department
Thanks for the confession, yet the big question is why do you post on a forum that is based on what you consider gibberish?
You neglect to address the different types of chaos.
Also if you study the goddess there are two Eris'
"It was never true that there was only one Eris. There have always been two on earth. There is one you could like when you understand her. The other is hateful. The two Erites have separate natures. There is one Eris who builds up evil war, and slaughter. She is harsh; no man loves her, but under compulsion and by will of the immortals, men promote this rough Eris (Strife).
But the other one was born the elder daughter of black Nyx. The son of Kronos, who sits on high and dwells in the bright air set her in the roots of the earth and among men; she is far kinder. She pushes the shiftless man to work, for all his laziness. A man looks at his neighbour, who is rich: then he too wants work; for the rich man presses on with his ploughing and planting and ordering of his estate. So the neighbour envies the neighbour who presses on toward wealth. Such Eris (Strife) is a good friend to mortals." -Works and Days 11f
"One [Eris] is Trouble and Fighting. But the other is only Healthy Competition." -Works and Days 11
http://www.theoi.com/Khaos/Eris.html
Some of us find the principia not gibberish, rather a mock philosophy that's a methaphor to wake people up from gibberish.
So, my probing proved true.
I was criticized and personally attacked for saying the posts here reflect heretical opinions, and you 3 have all admited you think the principia is a bunch of crap.
I find it a clever metaphor for the state of society on the planet, and the most productive way of actively working against it for change. I find it a funny way to dispell gibberish as apposed to being gibberish itself.
I also find it a way of bringing Taoism into the 20th century.
Most people feel Monty Python did more for social change than the hippies, and I tend to agree, with their mindfucking skits and films.
I believe that there is positive and negative order and chaos and believe in the promotion of the positive.
I believed these things prior to reading the principia, yet find it well articulated in the principia.
I belive there are enlightened and cabbages, saint-like jakers and greyfaces, people who want social norms and who get angry when they see people being free and happy, or having harmless fun.
Even if all the mindfucking and jaking doesn't change anything, it still made people think.
Even if all doesn't make people think, I still had fun, and on my death bed, I will leave with a good conscious knowing I didn't spend my life in fear of what other's thought nor lived my life based on it.
So, as others have mentioned the spiritual aspect, sticking gum in the subway gates, I being part gnostic part prankster, find that destructive chaos, and yielding nothing but bad karma.
So the big point is I think you're opinion corrupts the impressionable or people here checking out what principia discordianism is all about and I'm trying to point out the contradictions between those here and the actual principia, which you find crap.
If you believe in the negative Eris as being a positve and destructive chaos as a positve, then I will challenge it and hope those who just come here for some pseudo social acceptance's little brain nuerons may start firing in the right side of their brains.
The big contradiction is that you say you want people to think for themselves, yet you attack anyone who doesn't think like you regardless of if what the?? say is true or not.
True following Greg Hill and Kerry Thornley's opinions isn't thinking for yourself, except if you follow the part of thinking for yourself. Which is what I think the whole point of them comming up with all this was about. Of course they weren't the first for saying think for yourself, but did it in a very creative way.
So, I think all this is great actually.
I thought the board needed to be redefined and clarified and it has been by some, and I encourage others to as well.
I'm very proud to have initiated it as well.
Heeeeee
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE
O SHIT.
Only saw the Monty Python statement, at first glance.
I have a feeling I'll need a good sleep before attempting the rest, which I will have to break up into one line per day.
Quote from: Epimetheus on October 27, 2011, 04:57:50 AM
O SHIT.
Only saw the Monty Python statement, at first glance.
I have a feeling I'll need a good slap before attempting the rest, which I will have to break up into one line per day.
For some reason, that's how I read it, and I was all "WHUT?"
No more PeeDee before coffee.
Quote from: Luna on October 27, 2011, 10:53:21 AM
Quote from: Epimetheus on October 27, 2011, 04:57:50 AM
O SHIT.
Only saw the Monty Python statement, at first glance.
I have a feeling I'll need a good slap before attempting the rest, which I will have to break up into one line per day.
For some reason, that's how I read it, and I was all "WHUT?"
No more PeeDee before coffee.
Preferably with a fish (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s).
I wonder what Tao Jones is up to these days?
:lulz:
Last I heard, he was being a militant atheist in Canada
He always takes the easy way out. If he had any balls he'd go be a militant atheist in Uganda.
Quote from: Nigel on October 27, 2011, 04:57:38 AM
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE
I couldn't help myself. I was mesmerized with PTJ being mesmerized with his own greatness. :lulz:
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on October 28, 2011, 12:00:36 AM
I wonder what Tao Jones is up to these days?
:lulz:
Goes to Germany to get with EvT.
EvT isn't impressed after all.
Moves back to Toronto to preach the gospel of Richard Dawkins.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 28, 2011, 08:34:25 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 27, 2011, 04:57:38 AM
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE
I couldn't help myself. I was mesmerized with PTJ being mesmerized with his own greatness. :lulz:
I am astonished by how often Dunning/Kruger Effect crops up. :lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 02:07:23 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 28, 2011, 08:34:25 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 27, 2011, 04:57:38 AM
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE
I couldn't help myself. I was mesmerized with PTJ being mesmerized with his own greatness. :lulz:
I am astonished by how often Dunning/Kruger Effect crops up. :lulz:
I am beginning to think it is humanity's default position. If you DON'T have it, you're sick.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 29, 2011, 04:52:07 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 02:07:23 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 28, 2011, 08:34:25 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 27, 2011, 04:57:38 AM
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE
I couldn't help myself. I was mesmerized with PTJ being mesmerized with his own greatness. :lulz:
I am astonished by how often Dunning/Kruger Effect crops up. :lulz:
I am beginning to think it is humanity's default position. If you DON'T have it, you're sick.
I think you just nailed the shit out of it. So then, our challenge becomes... what area am I incompetent in, and don't know it?
I almost think this could become a really interesting writing project. It definitely ties into the BIP.
Nassim Nicholas Taleb is also big on this concept.
http://blog.bearstrong.net/articles/2007/05/17/lessons-from-the-anti-library.html
QuoteTaleb introduces the Hayekian and almost taoistic metaphor of the anti-library: A library of the books you haven't read, of the things you don't know. A massive collection of unknowledge, the anti-library contains all the books that may still change your life. Most of your favourite books are there, hidden and forgotten. It has facts you need to know, authors you'd worship. Only people who read very little can think the anti-library doesn't matter. To book-lovers, and especially generalists like me, who jump all over the place without focus, the stacks of the anti-library loom higher and darker for every book we read. Every book that changes me reminds me of the ones that still might.
The Black Swan is not about unread books as such, but about all the important, life-changing, world-changing information that we don't have. Unknowledge is an unsettling concept. Like the Death of Discworld, our eyes glaze over it and hurriedly find something more comforting to focus on. Taleb asks us to look at it, and acknowledge that it's there, a massive source of wild randomness that will eat your predictions for breakfast, and change your world again, and again, and again. As it has done so often in the past.
The title comes from a classic problem of induction, (it took only the unexpected observation of one black swan to ooverturn centuries of observations of white ones), but I like Taleb's turkey metaphor better: Imagine that you're a turkey. You've eaten well and lived in safety every day of your life. Everything in your experience tells you that tomorrow will be no different. Then Thanksgiving arrives - a Black Swan event.
Taleb also talks about Unknown Unknowns - things we don't know that we don't know about. For reference there are also known knowns (things we know we know), uknown knowns (things we don't know we know) and known unknowns (variables in weather would fall under this category - we don't know what the weather will be this time next month, but we know it will fall within certain general ranges. It will not, for example, rain sulphur).
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on October 28, 2011, 02:42:44 AM
He always takes the easy way out. If he had any balls he'd go be a militant atheist in Uganda.
It's the only way to have fun while doing it.
I think the only kind of militant that could piss of the Canadian government would be a militant Muslim. Or American.
Quote from: Cain on October 30, 2011, 01:24:23 PM
Nassim Nicholas Taleb is also big on this concept.
http://blog.bearstrong.net/articles/2007/05/17/lessons-from-the-anti-library.html
QuoteTaleb introduces the Hayekian and almost taoistic metaphor of the anti-library: A library of the books you haven't read, of the things you don't know. A massive collection of unknowledge, the anti-library contains all the books that may still change your life. Most of your favourite books are there, hidden and forgotten. It has facts you need to know, authors you'd worship. Only people who read very little can think the anti-library doesn't matter. To book-lovers, and especially generalists like me, who jump all over the place without focus, the stacks of the anti-library loom higher and darker for every book we read. Every book that changes me reminds me of the ones that still might.
The Black Swan is not about unread books as such, but about all the important, life-changing, world-changing information that we don't have. Unknowledge is an unsettling concept. Like the Death of Discworld, our eyes glaze over it and hurriedly find something more comforting to focus on. Taleb asks us to look at it, and acknowledge that it's there, a massive source of wild randomness that will eat your predictions for breakfast, and change your world again, and again, and again. As it has done so often in the past.
The title comes from a classic problem of induction, (it took only the unexpected observation of one black swan to ooverturn centuries of observations of white ones), but I like Taleb's turkey metaphor better: Imagine that you're a turkey. You've eaten well and lived in safety every day of your life. Everything in your experience tells you that tomorrow will be no different. Then Thanksgiving arrives - a Black Swan event.
Taleb also talks about Unknown Unknowns - things we don't know that we don't know about. For reference there are also known knowns (things we know we know), uknown knowns (things we don't know we know) and known unknowns (variables in weather would fall under this category - we don't know what the weather will be this time next month, but we know it will fall within certain general ranges. It will not, for example, rain sulphur).
I love this concept of the anti-library. What does Taleb suggest to do about it?
There is actually a bit of discussion on that, since Taleb isn't entirely clear on the point himself
http://www.matthewcornell.org/blog/2009/4/6/on-keeping-an-umberto-eco-like-anti-library.html
http://jumpthecurve.net/unlearning/unlearning-lesson-6-study-at-an-anti-library/
Well, in the field of theoretical computing, the "anti library" might very well be provably unknowable.
At least, there are certain formal languages, of which their complement is not computable.
Super short explanation: You got an "alphabet" S, say S={A,B}. Very short alphabet. Now S* denotes all finite strings you can make with that alphabet. That is all possible finite strings consisting of the characters A and B.
(There are incountably infinite of these, but that's another thing)
Now S* is a formal language, but it's a really boring one, because everything is possible.
A more interesting formal language, say L, would define a bunch of rules to determine, or generate strings from this language. This would be a certain subset of S*.
Now, depending on how complex these rules are, it is either easy or very difficult or even provably impossible to determine whether a certain string X belongs to this language L.
You can prove all this stuff with logic and symbol math, but just take it from me now. You don't want to see, really.
But now comes the funny bit!
We can also define the complement of L. Let's call it not-L. This language is exactly those strings which are in S*, but not in L. Makes sense, right?
Now comes the mind boggling thing, and believe me this is true, because I had to prove it with my own pen and paper and brain:
For certain languages L, determining whether X belongs to L may be relatively easy, yet for the same language L, determining whether an X is part of not-L is obnoxiously hard or even impossible!
Fucked up right?
If this confuddles you, think about how proving a negative can be sometimes nearly impossible, while (dis)proving the positive is often trivially easy.
So to sum it up, yeah there's a bunch of shit we just can't know. And there's also a bunch of shit that's nearly prohibitively hard to know.
The good news is, it's not just monkeys we gotta worry about, reality and logic has it in for us as well.
Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 06:43:53 AM
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WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE
I couldn't help myself. I was mesmerized with PTJ being mesmerized with his own greatness. :lulz:
I am astonished by how often Dunning/Kruger Effect crops up. :lulz:
I am beginning to think it is humanity's default position. If you DON'T have it, you're sick.
I think you just nailed the shit out of it. So then, our challenge becomes... what area am I incompetent in, and don't know it?
I am incompetent in the following areas (at least):
Cooking - I am THE WORST COOK EVER. No shit. I'm not even allowed in the kitchen after the 3rd fire.
Auto repairs - I can fix anything in the world, except for a car. I have no idea why.
Talking to women - My success in the romance area is strictly dictated by my ability to find women that don't want me to talk.
Knowing when something has been taken too far - Don't ask.
Dancing - OSHA has rules governing when I can attempt to dance, and what PPE everyone has to wear.
Punching - In a fight, I have to just take my lumps until I get both hands on the guy (then it's hellllooooooo, Charley!).
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 02, 2011, 12:49:07 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 06:43:53 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 29, 2011, 04:52:07 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 02:07:23 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 28, 2011, 08:34:25 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 27, 2011, 04:57:38 AM
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE
I couldn't help myself. I was mesmerized with PTJ being mesmerized with his own greatness. :lulz:
I am astonished by how often Dunning/Kruger Effect crops up. :lulz:
I am beginning to think it is humanity's default position. If you DON'T have it, you're sick.
I think you just nailed the shit out of it. So then, our challenge becomes... what area am I incompetent in, and don't know it?
I am incompetent in the following areas (at least):
Cooking - I am THE WORST COOK EVER. No shit. I'm not even allowed in the kitchen after the 3rd fire.
Auto repairs - I can fix anything in the world, except for a car. I have no idea why.
Talking to women - My success in the romance area is strictly dictated by my ability to find women that don't want me to talk.
Knowing when something has been taken too far - Don't ask.
Dancing - OSHA has rules governing when I can attempt to dance, and what PPE everyone has to wear.
Punching - In a fight, I have to just take my lumps until I get both hands on the guy (then it's hellllooooooo, Charley!).
How did I miss this post? :lulz: I'm guessing it must have been marked "read" when my browser crashed, which it does at least once a day.
I'm glad I found it.
Now I need to think about what I'm incompetent at, besides dating.
A big one for me is singing. People often insist that I am tone-deaf, but tone-deaf people can't hear how bad they sound. I know that I am just alternating back and forth between the same two notes, but it's just the best I can do.
I took chorus in 8th grade to try to get better, but it didn't help. Our chorus class went to a state-wide competition, and my classmates pooled together and came up with about $5 to pay me to lip-sync. I did, and our class came in 2nd place.
Quote from: Prince Tao Jones on June 01, 2004, 03:24:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerBeware, O ye of little faith, for the things I am about to say will piss thee off to no fucking end.
Let me start off by stating that Malaclypse the Younger is, and always has been a fraud. That's right. Bogus. Phoney. His real name is Kerry Thornley, and he did NOT "walk into the ocean" thirty years ago. He is alive and well, and living in Cleveland, Ohio.
Second, his book, Principia Discordia is gibberish. Utter rot. It has two or three good jokes in it, and one (1) good idea. It's basically an acid rant that reads like the end of a Robert Anton Wilson novel...which is to say, it's garbage. The one good idea, of course, being that you should think for yourself. Obviously, some backsliders like to quote it and/or insist that people act according to its "teachings" if they want to be a "true" Discordian.
Obviously bullshit.
In fact, this false prophet and his teachings have led countless Discordians astray. They have been led to believe that, to be a discordian, one must act as if one was tripping, even when NOT under the influence of psychadelic drugs. It has led people to believe that Eris is some demented aspect of Bacchus, where we all focus on having a good time. Poetry, games, inebriation, etc.
Sorry, wrong Gawd.
Eris is the goddess of DISCORD. Take a minute, and look that word up. I'll wait.
Back now? Good, we'll continue.
DISCORDianism. The adherence to, and spreading of, DISCORD. Tear the filthy thing down. Smash it, and drive the survivors into the wasteland...and it doesn't really matter what "it" is. We are the adherents of OPPOSITION. We oppose for the sake of opposition itself. We don't take sides, we don't play favorites, and it's a wonder that we are a "we" at all.
We are the proxies of entropy, not a fucking coffee house poetry club. We back the wrong horse, in the sheer hope of clogging up the guts of the machine, and it really makes no difference if the "machine" is malevolent or benign...Because, to us, NO organization is "benign".
You simply aren't going to gain the favor of the goddess by playing "three word game". She'd rather see you shoving chewing gum in the coin slots of the subway entrance stiles, or simply playing "let's you and him fight".
The higher up in an organization that you can cause chaos, the more Eris will shower you with her blessings. Avoid being caught (so you can do it again), and she'll even take them out of the big, heavy can first.
So spare me the quotes and the anecdotes from Principia. Forget that old fraud, Malaclypse, because Eris already has.
Or kill me.
This Is The Kind of Shit We Have To Put Up With Department
Thanks for the confession, yet the big question is why do you post on a forum that is based on what you consider gibberish?
You neglect to address the different types of chaos.
Also if you study the goddess there are two Eris'
"It was never true that there was only one Eris. There have always been two on earth. There is one you could like when you understand her. The other is hateful. The two Erites have separate natures. There is one Eris who builds up evil war, and slaughter. She is harsh; no man loves her, but under compulsion and by will of the immortals, men promote this rough Eris (Strife).
But the other one was born the elder daughter of black Nyx. The son of Kronos, who sits on high and dwells in the bright air set her in the roots of the earth and among men; she is far kinder. She pushes the shiftless man to work, for all his laziness. A man looks at his neighbour, who is rich: then he too wants work; for the rich man presses on with his ploughing and planting and ordering of his estate. So the neighbour envies the neighbour who presses on toward wealth. Such Eris (Strife) is a good friend to mortals." -Works and Days 11f
"One [Eris] is Trouble and Fighting. But the other is only Healthy Competition." -Works and Days 11
http://www.theoi.com/Khaos/Eris.html
Some of us find the principia not gibberish, rather a mock philosophy that's a methaphor to wake people up from gibberish.
So, my probing proved true.
I was criticized and personally attacked for saying the posts here reflect heretical opinions, and you 3 have all admited you think the principia is a bunch of crap.
I find it a clever metaphor for the state of society on the planet, and the most productive way of actively working against it for change. I find it a funny way to dispell gibberish as apposed to being gibberish itself.
I also find it a way of bringing Taoism into the 20th century.
Most people feel Monty Python did more for social change than the hippies, and I tend to agree, with their mindfucking skits and films.
I believe that there is positive and negative order and chaos and believe in the promotion of the positive.
I believed these things prior to reading the principia, yet find it well articulated in the principia.
I belive there are enlightened and cabbages, saint-like jakers and greyfaces, people who want social norms and who get angry when they see people being free and happy, or having harmless fun.
Even if all the mindfucking and jaking doesn't change anything, it still made people think.
Even if all doesn't make people think, I still had fun, and on my death bed, I will leave with a good conscious knowing I didn't spend my life in fear of what other's thought nor lived my life based on it.
So, as others have mentioned the spiritual aspect, sticking gum in the subway gates, I being part gnostic part prankster, find that destructive chaos, and yielding nothing but bad karma.
So the big point is I think you're opinion corrupts the impressionable or people here checking out what principia discordianism is all about and I'm trying to point out the contradictions between those here and the actual principia, which you find crap.
If you believe in the negative Eris as being a positve and destructive chaos as a positve, then I will challenge it and hope those who just come here for some pseudo social acceptance's little brain nuerons may start firing in the right side of their brains.
The big contradiction is that you say you want people to think for themselves, yet you attack anyone who doesn't think like you regardless of if what the?? say is true or not.
True following Greg Hill and Kerry Thornley's opinions isn't thinking for yourself, except if you follow the part of thinking for yourself. Which is what I think the whole point of them comming up with all this was about. Of course they weren't the first for saying think for yourself, but did it in a very creative way.
So, I think all this is great actually.
I thought the board needed to be redefined and clarified and it has been by some, and I encourage others to as well.
I'm very proud to have initiated it as well.
Ah, the good old days.
Oh, man.
Thank fuck we got THAT sorted out.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 05, 2013, 01:29:36 AM
Oh, man.
Thank fuck we got THAT sorted out.
Well, Tao was just a guru in search of a flock.
The REALLY funny posts ITT are from Trollaxe.
Quote from: Phantom Trollax on June 01, 2004, 09:40:07 AM
There are also those of us who are spiritualists about the whole thing...
Some of us are firmly tied to this world and it's many idosynchrocies, others of us are intent of imbuing meaning and purpose behind our iconoclastic actions. Well hell to you that's probably a load of shit, and yes I've been really tired of your antics lately. Hell yes the Yahoo's thing was a great riot, but no... I'm not going to sign onto your trip and see the world from anywhere near your particular vantage point anytime soon.
:cry:
Holy Cheese.
Highly edited version that got handed out today in Boston. I was the only one who showed up with flyers, so a whole lot of HOLY got spread around.
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That's awesome. :lulz:
But this is the wrong thread.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 06, 2013, 06:44:14 PM
That's awesome. :lulz:
But this is the wrong thread.
Oh crapballs, requesting move to the right one?
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 06, 2013, 06:52:33 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 06, 2013, 06:44:14 PM
That's awesome. :lulz:
But this is the wrong thread.
Oh crapballs, requesting move to the right one?
Which one? Big Words, or the OP?