More and more people are starting to realize how much bullshit is involved in politics, making our yelling about how both sides are useless redundant.
Reality has become absurdity. The only non-absurdists are the people with their head in the sand and they can't read the PD in that state anyway.
Other modern irreligions lampoon religion much more effectively. Pastafarianism, for all its shallowness, probably has more followers, and has actually gotten science curriculums changed.
Nobody's heard of the Discordian Society, and its cultural impact has been dubious.
The Discordian Society rejects any/all leadership, effectively crippling it from certain types of activities
Discordia's faceman, Robert Anton Wilson, kicked the bucket. Nobody's left to carry the torch.
More and more people, upon hearing about Discordianism, rather than getting excited about it for better or worse, simply placidly accept it as a natural and logical progression from the condition of the political and social environment we live in.
"Ah, yes, everything is incomprehensibly fucked up, and you belong to a religion that acknowledges that fact. OK. Did you want some of these fries?"
Quote from: Cramulus on August 18, 2009, 10:02:00 PM
Nobody's heard of the Discordian Society, and its cultural impact has been dubious.
On the contrary, almost everyone I encounter has heard of the Discordian Society, which is now larger and more active than it has ever been.
The difference is that nobody's
surprised by us anymore.
Everything has gotten so ridicules it's hard to lampoon it anymore
For example...
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1000/1000_01.asp
srlsy this should be a troll
but sadly it's not
:sad:
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on August 18, 2009, 10:08:26 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on August 18, 2009, 10:02:00 PM
Nobody's heard of the Discordian Society, and its cultural impact has been dubious.
On the contrary, almost everyone I encounter has heard of the Discordian Society, which is now larger and more active than it has ever been.
The difference is that nobody's surprised by us anymore.
hm i suppose that must be more of a local thing? or maybe a US thing?
either way, cultural impact? WE GOT A FUCKING PLANET how about that??
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on August 18, 2009, 10:08:26 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on August 18, 2009, 10:02:00 PM
Nobody's heard of the Discordian Society, and its cultural impact has been dubious.
On the contrary, almost everyone I encounter has heard of the Discordian Society, which is now larger and more active than it has ever been.
The difference is that nobody's surprised by us anymore.
Relatively unknown in the South, as far as I can tell.
The thing is, when you do explain it to somebody, most of the people down here that are receptive to it just see it as another trend or weird group to belong to amidst myriad similar groups, like the ones Prof. Cramulus pointed out.
I think that now is the time to really focus on producing new Discordian scripture, fleshing out and actually celebrating some of the holydays, and perhaps finding one of our own to torment by exalting him/her as a reluctant prophet.
People are starting to take us for granted (among weird/underground circles on the West Coast, anyway) so this is the time to lie low, build up a body of work, and emerge again far, far weirder and more fully-developed than anyone remembers us being.
In other words, kind of what we're already doing anyway.
We need to find our reluctant prophet, though. They need to be pretty publicly visible, or at least have enough of a body of work that we have some basis for bringing them unwanted fame and sychophants. Most importantly of all, they must not want this to happen to them.
:lulz:
I was re-reading the PD today
and I thought - hm, like most of Discordia as we know it comes from POEE. And the Erisians. Those were the two original sects, no? That was Mal and Omar.
maybe we should take all this garbage we're doing in 2009 and put it under a heading like POEE. And then each of our subsects can write a page or two of the PD09.
yes, it's that idea again
but with an accent on being relevant to 2009 and the sort of shit we deal with today.
I mean, practically half the PD is relatively meh to us today,
like the nomenclature of POEE or battle hymn of the Eristocracy.
But wait a second... With all these rival weird irreligions, wouldn't it be much easier to just count them as Discordian Sects and call it victory? I mean we were obviously here first, and they're obviously just lame watered-down offshoots, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the fact they are obviously part of our conspiracy... Y'know? If they protest, we can just tell everyone they're doing that ironic Discordian thing where you deny being part of this...
We should embrace our Pastafarian bretheren for the lousy splitters that they are!
Quote from: Cramulus on August 19, 2009, 12:42:17 AM
maybe we should take all this garbage we're doing in 2009 and put it under a heading like POEE. And then each of our subsects can write a page or two of the PD09.
If I had another Discordian Freelance Bum (like my self) in the area I reckon the two of us could knock out the whole thing in a couple months. Especially if he or she didn't agree with me.
Alone, I don't have the skills to do anything with the idea.
Quote from: Cramulus on August 18, 2009, 10:02:00 PM
Other modern irreligions lampoon religion much more effectively. Pastafarianism, for all its shallowness, probably has more followers, and has actually gotten science curriculums changed.
Quote from: [uV*] on August 19, 2009, 01:03:56 AM
But wait a second... With all these rival weird irreligions, wouldn't it be much easier to just count them as Discordian Sects and call it victory? I mean we were obviously here first, and they're obviously just lame watered-down offshoots, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the fact they are obviously part of our conspiracy... Y'know? If they protest, we can just tell everyone they're doing that ironic Discordian thing where you deny being part of this...
We should embrace our Pastafarian bretheren for the lousy splitters that they are!
One of these freaking days I will shit out that essay on why Discordianism is distinct from other joke religions. I was going to jealously guard my ideas in my head until I could put them in a pretty package but fuck it this homebrew has got me buzzed so I'll just puke it out right here as-is:
1) Pastafarianism, The Invisible Pink Unicorn, the Church of Google, etc. are all centered around one basic joke that mocks organized religion. It lampoons the arguments often used by believers to justify belief in their deity by proposing an absurd deity and supporting it with the same arguments. Pretty much everything these irreligions do or say are variations on the parody upon which they are centered.
2) Discordianism has a much more complex and varied nature, so much so that it straddles the line between religion and irreligion, hence the common descriptor "a joke disguised as a religion and/or a religion disguised as a joke." Discordianism is clearly getting at something, but it seems to get at something different for everybody and is perhaps unique in that dissent about what it "is" is not only an accepted (by some) part of it, but is in fact considered desirable by many of its members. It is like 'real' religions in that it invites an ongoing dialogue about what is central to it (read James P. Carse's
The Religious Case Against Belief to understand wtf I'm talking about), but like a parody in that it deliberately exposes the absurdities of belief and lashes out against the restriction of thought that religious beliefs often create.
DOOO EEET CAINAD
I think a profound difference is that Discordianism is a real religion for some of us. It is my religion, and I am 100% serious about it. What "serious" means to a serious religious Discordian may bother some people, but fuck 'em.
Well, what do you expect from an FJ?
I don't know when it was ever "relevant"...
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on August 18, 2009, 11:58:16 PMdont ta
People are starting to take us for granted (among weird/underground circles on the West Coast, anyway) so this is the time to lie low, build up a body of work, and emerge again far, far weirder and more fully-developed than anyone remembers us being.
or maybe time to get known outside the West Coast?
or maybe, take this wrong, but I can't really imagine living in an environment where people take discordianism for granted? only a small group of my friends know even what it is, and less than one hand really knows what it is about.
i can totally imagine that you may have surrounded yourself with friends and acquantainces in a social network that sees Discordianism as "just another crazy thing", "for granted" or "yet another faux religion", and you are most definitely not the only one. I get the same idea from Suu/Richter, StMae and Cram.
but if your entire world knows discordianism and takes it for granted, doesnt that mean it's perhaps time to step out of that particular comfort zone? cause if you sort of turn your complaint around, doesn't it basically mean that you are in a situation where people will tell you what you expect to hear? not that you always agree with what you expect to hear, but will it teach you anything new?
well just some critical thoughts to mull over for a while, if you like.
apart from that I'm of course stinking jealous that some of you people actually have Discordians living within driving distance :-P
QuoteWe need to find our reluctant prophet, though. They need to be pretty publicly visible, or at least have enough of a body of work that we have some basis for bringing them unwanted fame and sychophants. Most importantly of all, they must not want this to happen to them.
well out here in west-europa, it's not ready. hardly anybody knows about discordians, we have had way less public acts, so I could draw a big pope-head on Hans Teeuwen, and nobody would get it. otherwise, I would suggest to just continue recruiting Stephen Colbert? a lot of work in that direction has already been done, so just to push it forward, no?
Quote from: Cainad on August 19, 2009, 04:47:48 AM
1) Pastafarianism, The Invisible Pink Unicorn, the Church of Google, etc. are all centered around one basic joke that mocks organized religion. It lampoons the arguments often used by believers to justify belief in their deity by proposing an absurd deity and supporting it with the same arguments. Pretty much everything these irreligions do or say are variations on the parody upon which they are centered.
So, that would make them the LDD, the Little Deluded Dupes.
We gotta have those, too.
Easy to consume, slumbering semi discordians, generally hip to the cause as long as it's not too weird, but a nice breeding pool nonetheless.
Quote2) Discordianism has a much more complex and varied nature, so much so that it straddles the line between religion and irreligion, hence the common descriptor "a joke disguised as a religion and/or a religion disguised as a joke." Discordianism is clearly getting at something, but it seems to get at something different for everybody and is perhaps unique in that dissent about what it "is" is not only an accepted (by some) part of it, but is in fact considered desirable by many of its members. It is like 'real' religions in that it invites an ongoing dialogue about what is central to it (read James P. Carse's The Religious Case Against Belief to understand wtf I'm talking about), but like a parody in that it deliberately exposes the absurdities of belief and lashes out against the restriction of thought that religious beliefs often create.
nice summary!
Glad to see people are getting what I was trying to say there. :)
Thoughts on Discordianism becoming widely accepted as just another goofball subculture:
I personally predict that the day Discordianism becomes "mainstream fringe"* is the day that we see the biggest schism yet in Discordian ranks. There are those who think the weirdness and shock value of merely being a bizarre and nigh-inscrutable pseudoreligion is an inherently valuable part of Discordianism, and these people will probably cease to refer to themselves as Discordians and try to find another, even farther out-there part of the fringe to hang out.
However, these people will likely take with them many of the other things that others consider central to Discordianism: a fondness for pranks and parody, an understanding that the patterns we see in the world come from our minds and that the world itself is neither Ordered nor Disordered, a willingness to bite their thumb at any and all forms of authority, especially those that demand respect before earning it, etc. Even if Discordianism's mere existence ceases to baffle and bewilder the majority, these qualities will remain and some will choose to stay under the Discordian umbrella.
* Here I am grasping for a way to describe things that are still fringe and have no hope of becoming part of the ever-more-fractious mainstream, but which many if not most people are aware of and have at least some notion of what it's about. "Mainfringe"? "The Fringestream"?
If the question being asked is, "why does Discordia seem to be taken in stride as a 'silly religion' more often these days," I would have to say it's because the medium has become entirely familiar and mainstreamed.
The Culture Wars have provided us with both sides of the coin: On one hand, you have the rabid fundamentalist biblical literalists who preach that Jesus rode a Dinosaur; on the other hand, you have the militant atheists who came up with the FSM.
Add to this an entertainment culture that is more often than not based on parody, weak satire, and mockery.
Now, take one of these people and explain to them that God is a Crazy Woman, the Goddess of Chaos, who commands it's followers not to eat hot dog buns, and to introduce nonsense into every situation they encounter.
They've been all but trained to dismiss you out of hand.
Quote from: Cainad on August 19, 2009, 03:09:23 PM
* Here I am grasping for a way to describe things that are still fringe and have no hope of becoming part of the ever-more-fractious mainstream, but which many if not most people are aware of and have at least some notion of what it's about. "Mainfringe"? "The Fringestream"?
Mingefrain.
Quote from: LMNO on August 19, 2009, 03:20:46 PMAdd to this an entertainment culture that is more often than not based on parody, weak satire, and mockery.
see: people think that guy from the dailyshow is the most trustworthy news guy.
QuoteNow, take one of these people and explain to them that God is a Crazy Woman, the Goddess of Chaos, who commands it's followers not to eat hot dog buns, and to introduce nonsense into every situation they encounter.
They've been all but trained to dismiss you out of hand.
yeah but it's only that particular slice of discordia.
i mean, it's kind of good that more people are doing that, right?
and we are free discordia, we can find new tricks. hell, I only talk to people about the crazy woman when I think they are susceptible to it. i leave the hotdog buns out of it entirely (I always thought that part of discordia was kind of retarded and about eating the menu. Plus, hotdogs suck)
I was using the Eris Embodiment because that's the flavor that people seem to be talking about in the last few threads.
I usually hold that My Discordia is more of a philosophy of perception wrapped up in some shiney paper of mixed metaphors. There's other stuff attached to that scaffolding, like grotesque branches of thought clumsily grafted onto a rusty girder, but as ECH once said, it's pretty much "MILITANT SUBJECTIVITY" for me.
Well yeah, and Discordia is much more than (both of) that, was my point. So not much to worry about if part of it gets co opted by the frainspleeme. I would almost claim it as partial victory. Means we can leave that up to the cabbages and continue to work on the new right?
In my exploration of Discordianism, from roots to the latest branches and leaves...(NOTE all of this is my interpretation of what I've read of our 'history' it is subject to my perceptions, and the honesty, or lack thereof, of the people writing the history.)
Although the Erisian Liberation Front, as first poomped from the mind of Lord Omar, was intended to be a guerrilla army, intent on mindfucking the Cabbages, Thudites and poor deluded sods that think reality is what they see everyday... his was only one early branch of Discordianism.
Malaclypse the Younger, with his POEE, were far more interested in the self-mindfuck... to the point that he changed his brain from a strong atheistic worldview to something different and not as easily categorized. Mindfucking other people, for him, seems to have been more of a side gig and one he was not nearly as interested in.
Camden Benares, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have aimed for parody based mindufcking at all, but more something akin to chosen realityfucking. Rather than making wild Illuminati claims like Omar to get a rise out of people, or engaging in rituals to change his brain like Mal-2, Camden appears have simply lived a lifestyle outside of what was acceptable or remotely normal. According to the people that knew him, that involved things like doing some coke, picking up a girl at a party, fucking her brains out, coming back to the party and picking up another girl and repeating this four five or more times. (I'm not promoting this specific activity, just providing an example) He chose to live a life outside of acceptable parameters. For him, his actual life was his mindfuck. This seems to fit more in line with Crowley's sort of lifestyle, where playing with the minds of others wasn't an occasional aspect of his game, his entire existence was so far outside normal that his life was a mindfuck to others.
Other Discordians in the early days seemed to each have their own sort of thing going on. Lady Eris in New Orleans was most interested in Eris as a neopagan goddess and gaining a following of people that thought she was the Goddess Incarnate. Mordecai the Foul seems to have focused on the use of memetics (before they were called that), ontology and psychology in an attempt to improve everyones life through mindfuckery. This was definitely much different that Omar, for whom the mindfuck was the reward in itself and he didn't give much of a shit what happened to the mark.
To think that Discordianism is just a parody religion, or just about hot dogs and a Crazy Woman, seems to be limiting the experience to one branch, one small path, rather than having the freedom to cut our own paths in the jungles of reality. If everyone you know thinks/expects Discordians to do crazy/silly things to get a rise out of others... then maybe we've been playing the same tune for too long in that area.
Maybe part of the issue is the rise of the Internet and Internet Discordianism... we have worked so closely together online that perhaps we have homogenized to some extent. Discordians in the 60's and 70's sent letters/newsletters/rants etc to each other... but these were generally unique and specific to that person's (or cabal's) ideas. The Joshua Norton Cabal may not have had much in common with the John Dillinger Cabal, other than a mutual respect and sharing occasional bits of fun.
Discordianism today seems to be quickly becoming either 23PINEALFNORDOMGZLAWLOFIVEZ or something more like a BiP/Memetics/Make Discordia Relevant/Lets all Stick Apart Together kind of concept. And that's not just the gang here at PD, StMae and her crew seem to be looking at a similar approach, even Uncle BadTouch seems to be looking to create an Us sort of thing rather than an I sort of thing. Some of us seem to be eating the menu, others seem to be trying to create a Unified Menu. Maybe Discordia is becoming irrelevant because the dominant attitude is no longer "Fuck the Menu, I'm making my own dinner".
When was the last time you mindfucked yourself?
When was the last time to lived Discordia, rather than including Discordia for fun and prophet?
When was the last time that you made up something brand new and Discordish that wasn't directly tied or related to something pre-existing in the Wonderful World of our Crazy Mom?
The FSM people and the CoG people have created a parody to show up organized fundamentalist Christianity... the CoG people aren't really following Google as a deity, neither are the FSM people. It's only a facade, a joke, a small part of their otherwise materialistic and normal lives. For some Discordians, perhaps that how they see Erisianism as well... but its not the only way, nor IMO the way followed by the people who were Discordian before us. The CoG and FSM are jokes... Discordianism can be a joke, or a tool, or a lifestyle. Thats a pretty big difference I think.
(NOTE: Take everything said here with a grain of salt and if you got offended, rewrite it in e-prime until your not offended)
-Rat
You had me until you stopped the history lesson and started preaching at me about how we were doing it wrong.
Quote from: LMNO on August 19, 2009, 04:40:24 PM
You had me until you stopped the history lesson and started preaching at me about how we were doing it wrong.
Err, I was't intending it to be preaching about how we ARE doing it wrong... just bringing up points to discuss where we might be tripping ourselves up.
Quote from: LMNO on August 19, 2009, 04:40:24 PM
You had me until you stopped the history lesson and started preaching at me about how we were doing it wrong.
Besides, if no one is surprised, shocked or confused by Discordianism any more... then maybe we are doing something wrong. Its possible you know? It is conceivable that we humans are doing something inefficiently, or ineffectively, or well, wrong. That doesn't mean I know how to do it right... only that if we aren't seeing the effects desired, then maybe there's a flaw... somewhere?
Discordia is irrelevant this year. Discordians are not, and never have been.
Quote from: Ratatosk on August 19, 2009, 04:48:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO on August 19, 2009, 04:40:24 PM
You had me until you stopped the history lesson and started preaching at me about how we were doing it wrong.
Besides, if no one is surprised, shocked or confused by Discordianism any more... then maybe we are doing something wrong. Its possible you know?
except they probably still are, except not so much anymore in the near social circles of certain rather active Discordians. which means they probably have been doing something
right ;-) [except be wary for its a dangerous place to get comfortable]
QuoteIt is conceivable that we humans are doing something inefficiently, or ineffectively, or well, wrong. That doesn't mean I know how to do it right... only that if we aren't seeing the effects desired, then maybe there's a flaw... somewhere?
well yeah, but you can't actually SAY or HINT AT the IDEA that a Discordian might be "doing it wrong". cause that would reek of "Really Real Discordianism" (for Realness, sometimes even).
That doesn't mean I know to communicate these things either, of course.
But keep on doing what you're doing, cause who wouldnt want to keep getting what they're getting?
I don't think it counts as Really Real Discordianism if the complaint is that people are too much like you, rather than not enough like you. I kindof agree with him too, Discordians are still unique and different from each other, but that stuff seem to increasingly be 'Discordianism+something else' instad of just different kinds of Discordia.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 19, 2009, 02:29:28 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on August 18, 2009, 11:58:16 PMdont ta
People are starting to take us for granted (among weird/underground circles on the West Coast, anyway) so this is the time to lie low, build up a body of work, and emerge again far, far weirder and more fully-developed than anyone remembers us being.
or maybe time to get known outside the West Coast?
or maybe, take this wrong, but I can't really imagine living in an environment where people take discordianism for granted? only a small group of my friends know even what it is, and less than one hand really knows what it is about.
i can totally imagine that you may have surrounded yourself with friends and acquantainces in a social network that sees Discordianism as "just another crazy thing", "for granted" or "yet another faux religion", and you are most definitely not the only one. I get the same idea from Suu/Richter, StMae and Cram.
but if your entire world knows discordianism and takes it for granted, doesnt that mean it's perhaps time to step out of that particular comfort zone? cause if you sort of turn your complaint around, doesn't it basically mean that you are in a situation where people will tell you what you expect to hear? not that you always agree with what you expect to hear, but will it teach you anything new?
well just some critical thoughts to mull over for a while, if you like.
apart from that I'm of course stinking jealous that some of you people actually have Discordians living within driving distance :-P
Not complaining, actually. I'm fine with it the way it is.
Sure, my friends are largely weirdos, but also Discordianism started on the West Coast, and there are a lot of active offshoots of Discordianism, a very active Cacophony Society with highly visible public events like SantaCon and the Mad Hatters Tea Party, etc., so basically a lot of people have heard of Discordianism and aren't really fazed by it at all. Burning Man was started by a bunch of Discordians, so, you know. Visibility.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 19, 2009, 03:37:50 PM
and we are free discordia, we can find new tricks. hell, I only talk to people about the crazy woman when I think they are susceptible to it. i leave the hotdog buns out of it entirely (I always thought that part of discordia was kind of retarded and about eating the menu. Plus, hotdogs suck)
I always thought that the whole point of that piece of doctrine was that it's part of TFY,S: It introduces the idea of a stupid, pointless, self-contradictory doctrine within a religion whose doctrine is anti-doctrine, and if you wade through it you realize that you should eat a hot dog or not, with a bun or without, whenever you damn well please.
APOSTATE!
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Discordia is irrelevant because satire is dead. Reality has killled satire, so the only way to resurrect Discordia is to kill reality.
Yes.
Quote from: Kai on August 19, 2009, 06:53:57 PM
Discordia is irrelevant because satire is dead. Reality has killled satire, so the only way to resurrect Discordia is to kill reality.
Hell yeah!
Ungh, to clarify, I didn't mean that Pastafarians etc. are honest-to-Goddess Really Real Discordians or Discordians in any way. I just meant that since we can half-reasonably claim to be part of the movement that they result from (20th-century self-ridiculing irreligion) we should claim they're Discordians to make Discordia look more significant. I think it wouldn't be entirely dishonest, and even if it is, since when is Discordia about the honest truth?
But this discussion has gone in a more interesting direction so ignore that noise. :)
Quote from: LMNO on August 19, 2009, 06:57:43 PM
Quote from: Kai on August 19, 2009, 06:53:57 PM
Discordia is irrelevant because satire is dead. Reality has killled satire, so the only way to resurrect Discordia is to kill reality.
Hell yeah!
Blarg. The only way to ressurrect Discordia is to punch a motherfucker in the nads.
IN THE NADS!
Quote from: Kai on August 19, 2009, 06:53:57 PM
Discordia is irrelevant because satire is dead. Reality has killled satire, so the only way to resurrect Discordia is to punch a motherfucker IN THE NADS.
Quote from: Kai on August 19, 2009, 06:53:57 PM
Discordia is irrelevant because satire is dead. Reality has killled satire, so the only way to resurrect Discordia is to kill reality.
This sounds exactly like the stereotypical smoky 60s jazz club full of semi revolutionary hippies spouting off philosophical nonsense and being really deep and such :-) and groovy
Quote from: Kai on August 20, 2009, 03:13:06 AM
Quote from: Kai on August 19, 2009, 06:53:57 PM
Discordia is irrelevant because satire is dead. Reality has killled satire, so the only way to resurrect Discordia is to punch a motherfucker IN THE NADS.
this, is a lot better ;-)
Hey daddy-o, if you can't grok what it means to "kill reality," then you just can't dig, man.
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beatnik. check that was the word, thanks.
A hippie would never be in a jazz club. Get your American cultural stereotypes right.
We are the direct descendants of the Beat movement; show some respect for your elders.
The hell?
Speak for yourself; I am a direct descendent of a physicist who was devoted to Bo Diddly and Muddy Waters.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on August 20, 2009, 07:19:22 PM
We are the direct descendants of the Beat movement; show some respect for your elders.
Fuck that. I blame them for the hipsters.
Whoa, WHOA! HOLD UP!
Since when is "grok" a bad word? THATS A WORD I LEARNED FROM THE INTERNETS!
ITS AN INTERNETS WORD
SO ITS GOOD
OK!
"Spacedocking" is a word I learned from the internets, as well.
Quote from: [uV*] on August 20, 2009, 07:39:39 PM
Whoa, WHOA! HOLD UP!
Since when is "grok" a bad word? THATS A WORD I LEARNED FROM THE INTERNETS!
ITS AN INTERNETS WORD
SO ITS GOOD
OK!
Not Internets Word!
Grok comes from good Mr. Heinlein in his book "Stranger In A Strange Land"
Quote from: Ratatosk on August 20, 2009, 07:57:42 PM
Quote from: [uV*] on August 20, 2009, 07:39:39 PM
Whoa, WHOA! HOLD UP!
Since when is "grok" a bad word? THATS A WORD I LEARNED FROM THE INTERNETS!
ITS AN INTERNETS WORD
SO ITS GOOD
OK!
Not Internets Word!
Grok comes from good Mr. Heinlein in his book "Stranger In A Strange Land"
I learned another word, Rat: "sarcasm".
Pretty useful word.
Quote from: LMNO on August 20, 2009, 07:59:41 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on August 20, 2009, 07:57:42 PM
Quote from: [uV*] on August 20, 2009, 07:39:39 PM
Whoa, WHOA! HOLD UP!
Since when is "grok" a bad word? THATS A WORD I LEARNED FROM THE INTERNETS!
ITS AN INTERNETS WORD
SO ITS GOOD
OK!
Not Internets Word!
Grok comes from good Mr. Heinlein in his book "Stranger In A Strange Land"
I learned another word, Rat: "sarcasm".
Pretty useful word.
NO WAY?! :lulz:
WELL TO ME ITS AN INTERNETS WORD :(
Quote from: Ratatosk on August 20, 2009, 07:57:42 PM
Quote from: [uV*] on August 20, 2009, 07:39:39 PM
Whoa, WHOA! HOLD UP!
Since when is "grok" a bad word? THATS A WORD I LEARNED FROM THE INTERNETS!
ITS AN INTERNETS WORD
SO ITS GOOD
OK!
Not Internets Word!
Grok comes from good Mr. Heinlein in his book "Stranger In A Strange Land"
It's stupid, the book was stupid, and Heinlein was a hack.
Anyone using the word "grok" should be fired out of a fucking cannon, and the remains should be fed to weasels.
Seriously.
Why must you hurt me in this way, Roger? :cry:
Quote from: Epimetheus on August 20, 2009, 11:16:00 PM
Why must you hurt me in this way, Roger? :cry:
Sorry, I didn't know you were a dead science fiction writer.
There is a lot you don't know about me...
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 20, 2009, 10:25:19 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on August 20, 2009, 07:57:42 PM
Quote from: [uV*] on August 20, 2009, 07:39:39 PM
Whoa, WHOA! HOLD UP!
Since when is "grok" a bad word? THATS A WORD I LEARNED FROM THE INTERNETS!
ITS AN INTERNETS WORD
SO ITS GOOD
OK!
Not Internets Word!
Grok comes from good Mr. Heinlein in his book "Stranger In A Strange Land"
It's stupid, the book was stupid, and Heinlein was a hack.
Anyone using the word "grok" should be fired out of a fucking cannon, and the remains should be fed to weasels.
Seriously.
Yeah, but man, I loved that book when I was six. It seemed like sheer genius, at the time. That and "I Will Fear No Evil". I had to look up the word "Areola" in the dictionary.
I haven't ever read anything of his. I read about the word on the Internets and thought it was a useful addition to my vocabulary.
BUT NOW YOU HATERS RUINED IT
I AM TRAUMATIZED FOREVER
YOU FUCKERS
OH THE PAIN
BAAAWWW
etc.
Discordia is irrelevant in 2009 because "batshit insane" has gone mainstream. People are perfectly okay with being used as puppets by oil companies and health insurance corporations. As long as they get to fight the evil black men and the wise Latinas, they're cool with it. Why bother thinking for yourself?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 21, 2009, 12:01:16 PM
Discordia is irrelevant in 2009 because "batshit insane" has gone mainstream. People are perfectly okay with being used as puppets by oil companies and health insurance corporations. As long as they get to fight the evil black men and the wise Latinas, they're cool with it. Why bother thinking for yourself?
Stop hating America™, you.
Quote from: [uV*] on August 21, 2009, 08:15:24 AM
I haven't ever read anything of his. I read about the word on the Internets and thought it was a useful addition to my vocabulary.
BUT NOW YOU HATERS RUINED IT
I AM TRAUMATIZED FOREVER
YOU FUCKERS
OH THE PAIN
BAAAWWW
etc.
He was a virulent racist, too. Google "Farnham's Freehold".
...
GROKKING IS NOW THE NEW UNCOOL
okay!
Quote from: [uV*] on August 21, 2009, 04:57:45 PM
...
GROKKING IS NOW THE NEW UNCOOL
okay!
It was NEVER cool. Unless by "cool", you mean "the Analog Magazine booth at science fiction conventions."
Quote from: Wikipedia on Farnham's FreeholdAs the novel develops, the family finds itself marooned in a distant future where a decadent but technologically advanced black Muslim culture keeps either uneducated or castrated whites as slaves.
:horrormirth:
QuoteSome have argued that the portrayal of the black ruling caste as cannibalistic, polygynous tyrants with a preference for Caucasian women utilizes most of the available racist stereotypes about Africans and African-Americans. Another interpretation posits that the cannibalism and sexual predation of the dark-skinned masters is allegorical, representing the way that black slaves were historically taken advantage of by their masters.
Quote from: Epimetheus on August 21, 2009, 05:26:23 PM
Quote from: Wikipedia on Farnham's FreeholdAs the novel develops, the family finds itself marooned in a distant future where a decadent but technologically advanced black Muslim culture keeps either uneducated or castrated whites as slaves.
:horrormirth:
QuoteSome have argued that the portrayal of the black ruling caste as cannibalistic, polygynous tyrants with a preference for Caucasian women utilizes most of the available racist stereotypes about Africans and African-Americans. Another interpretation posits that the cannibalism and sexual predation of the dark-skinned masters is allegorical, representing the way that black slaves were historically taken advantage of by their masters.
The Good Reverend Roger: Killing your idols.
We just need some new memes!
I don't remember any cannibals :? Been a long time though.
Well, his Martians were cannibals...Maybe he meant to write about Martians and the whole black Muslims thing was one big Freudian slip?
i think we should start churches throughout the world and then hold amazing parties at them *members only* encouraging a huge sign up of wackos, quickly distributing our beleifs and making the world a better place one hangover at a time?
bad idea? :aaa:
As long as you pay for the expenses
Whatever, I like it.
was discodia ever relevant? if so fore wholm?
I afree that realty, likre reasluyt vt showsr havre masde if hard to make funm of realty, I feeeel sorty for realithy.
We are whnat we are, relveanbt or not. sinced wehne does it mastter to discordiands if we ore ourt religion iare relvant or not?
Quote from: Butterfly Nagelov on August 29, 2009, 06:51:05 PM
was discodia ever relevant? if so fore wholm?
I afree that realty, likre reasluyt vt showsr havre masde if hard to make funm of realty, I feeeel sorty for realithy.
We are whnat we are, relveanbt or not. sinced wehne does it mastter to discordiands if we ore ourt religion iare relvant or not?
you registered on March 08, 2009, lurked for almost 6 months and still thought this would be a good first post :argh!:
Quote from: fomenter on August 29, 2009, 06:56:31 PM
Quote from: Butterfly Nagelov on August 29, 2009, 06:51:05 PM
was discodia ever relevant? if so fore wholm?
I afree that realty, likre reasluyt vt showsr havre masde if hard to make funm of realty, I feeeel sorty for realithy.
We are whnat we are, relveanbt or not. sinced wehne does it mastter to discordiands if we ore ourt religion iare relvant or not?
you registered on March 08, 2009, lurked for almost 6 months and still thought this would be a good first post :argh!:
me/ points at selkj
DISOCORDIAN!!!!!
Quote from: Butterfly Nagelov on August 29, 2009, 06:51:05 PM
was discodia ever relevant? if so fore wholm?
I afree that realty, likre reasluyt vt showsr havre masde if hard to make funm of realty, I feeeel sorty for realithy.
We are whnat we are, relveanbt or not. sinced wehne does it mastter to discordiands if we ore ourt religion iare relvant or not?
>>TRIGGER:Englishfail
>>>CLARITY CORRECTION PROTOCOLS ENGAGED
Was Discordia ever relevant? If so, for whom?
I agree that reality, like reality tv shows have made if hard to make fun of reality, I feel sorry for reality. {WARNING: PROCESSOR OVERLOAD DUE TO SEVERE OBFUSCATION}
We are what we are, relevant or not. Since when does it matter to Discordians if we or our religion are relevant or not?
>>>END CLARITY CORRECTION PROTOCOLS
Christ dude, put at least something resembling effort into making your posts readable. Also, hi and welcome to non-lurker world.
Quote from: Butterfly Nagelov on August 29, 2009, 07:09:11 PM
Quote from: fomenter on August 29, 2009, 06:56:31 PM
Quote from: Butterfly Nagelov on August 29, 2009, 06:51:05 PM
was discodia ever relevant? if so fore wholm?
I afree that realty, likre reasluyt vt showsr havre masde if hard to make funm of realty, I feeeel sorty for realithy.
We are whnat we are, relveanbt or not. sinced wehne does it mastter to discordiands if we ore ourt religion iare relvant or not?
you registered on March 08, 2009, lurked for almost 6 months and still thought this would be a good first post :argh!:
me/ points at selkj
DISOCORDIAN!!!!!
finally after all these years somebody came a long and posted some gibberish and used bad spelling to be different and discordian,
that is
so unique and original,
and nothing like the hundreds of cabbages that did it before you
who were so well received and not immediately trolled by pd....
way to pay attention
Quote from: Butterfly Nagelov on August 29, 2009, 07:09:11 PM
Quote from: fomenter on August 29, 2009, 06:56:31 PM
Quote from: Butterfly Nagelov on August 29, 2009, 06:51:05 PM
was discodia ever relevant? if so fore wholm?
I afree that realty, likre reasluyt vt showsr havre masde if hard to make funm of realty, I feeeel sorty for realithy.
We are whnat we are, relveanbt or not. sinced wehne does it mastter to discordiands if we ore ourt religion iare relvant or not?
you registered on March 08, 2009, lurked for almost 6 months and still thought this would be a good first post :argh!:
me/ points at selkj
DISOCORDIAN!!!!!
HORAB?!?
:lulz:
Oh god. Old jokes revived. :lulz:
Quote from: Butterfly Nagelov on August 29, 2009, 06:51:05 PM
was discodia ever relevant? if so fore wholm?
I afree that realty, likre reasluyt vt showsr havre masde if hard to make funm of realty, I feeeel sorty for realithy.
We are whnat we are, relveanbt or not. sinced wehne does it mastter to discordiands if we ore ourt religion iare relvant or not?
(what? :? )
once i worked out what this said i (maybe ignoring the first bit) i like it!
should we care if we are still relavant?
When did anybody say you're supposed to care? This, like everything else in these boards, is mental fappery, and fappery requires no justification!
I don't believe in "relevance." It seems like something people pull out of their ass when they want you to talk about what they want to talk about - whatever you're doing is irrelevant and whatever they're doing is.
Fuck you, your opinion is even more irrelevant than Discordia is this year!
Quote from: VERBtr on August 31, 2009, 02:29:42 PM
Fuck you, your opinion is even more irrelevant than Discordia is this year!
fi yoi think discordia is irreklanat, why are you posting on a sitte with Eris op top /\ and discordida in the tittle
Two words: information overload.
Everyone's a little bit postmodern these days because we're constantly bombarded by media detached from meaning.
We have grown accustomed to the phantasmagoria of information that spews forth from tv, radio, and the Internet:
instead of expecting content, we expect form and take content for granted. In effect, we use mental placeholders.
All we're really looking for is something to fill up our minds. So if mindfucking means yanking someone outside their established frame of mind, we will have to be more creative. We must strike at what little ground remains beneath our collective feet.
Most of the time, instead of relying on an internal structuring of our activities and thoughts, we let the world around us tell us what to do. Road signs, social cues, the menu in a fast food restaurant.
This is why the handshake induction and its ilk are still amazing. Unlike much media consumption, social interaction is not completely passive, but it is still normally transparent. So you introduce yourself to your target, offer your hand, and when they accept it, you put their hand to their forehead and command them to sleep (this is the handshake induction). Not only is this really, really weird--it makes it so your target no longer knows what is going on, and thus enables you to give the interaction a new structure if you want.
Wait, when was Discordia relevant?
According to a thread found on an obscure Discordian website, it was relevant last year, apparently.
Experts in the field predict that it will take approximately two or three years for Discordia to regain the degree of relevance it had in 2008.
Unlike the experts in the field, the people who actually know what they're talking about just laughed at us when we asked them.
Expert occultists predict it will take 2.3 years, and will somehow be brought to the point by a large rabbit, chewing on a carrot that may or may not actually be a missile of some sort.
Unfortunately, they were drunk at the time of divination.
Quote from: VERBtr on September 06, 2009, 01:52:17 PM
Expert occultists predict it will take 2.3 years, and will somehow be brought to the point by a large rabbit, chewing on a carrot that may or may not actually be a missile of some sort.
Unfortunately, they were drunk at the time of divination.
fixed
Re: Why is Discordia Irrelevant in the Year 2009?
this thread
I would expect no better from the worst forum on the internet... Ruined my favorite irreligion! :argh!:
If we were relevent then there would be no need for us. We are Discordians, Eris is our main squeeze because she was not considered relevent, she was considered disruptive and outside the norm. The question should be more along the lines of, "Should we be worried about becoming relevent?" I mean, to me relevence means that someone recognizes the movement as a movement, and THEY should see us as "Lone Gunmen" so to speak. If we were a movement we would be a target for disruption and removal. Sure we hang out on the forum and have a bit of a giggle at the expense of the Thudians, but THEY don't see that as a threat.
Any group that opposes the status quo becomes a threat. But individuals are ignored for the most part while they quietly rewrite the worlds code to bring some small enlightenment to the ones who can turn their brains on to what the deal is with the unreality of reality.
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
If we were relevent then there would be no need for us. We are Discordians, Eris is our main squeeze because she was not considered relevent, she was considered disruptive and outside the norm. The question should be more along the lines of, "Should we be worried about becoming relevent?" I mean, to me relevence means that someone recognizes the movement as a movement, and THEY should see us as "Lone Gunmen" so to speak. If we were a movement we would be a target for disruption and removal. Sure we hang out on the forum and have a bit of a giggle at the expense of the Thudians, but THEY don't see that as a threat.
Any group that opposes the status quo becomes a threat. But individuals are ignored for the most part while they quietly rewrite the worlds code to bring some small enlightenment to the ones who can turn their brains on to what the deal is with the unreality of reality.
Hey! :mittens:
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
If we were relevent then there would be no need for us. We are Discordians, Eris is our main squeeze because she was not considered relevent, she was considered disruptive and outside the norm. The question should be more along the lines of, "Should we be worried about becoming relevent?" I mean, to me relevence means that someone recognizes the movement as a movement, and THEY should see us as "Lone Gunmen" so to speak. If we were a movement we would be a target for disruption and removal. Sure we hang out on the forum and have a bit of a giggle at the expense of the Thudians, but THEY don't see that as a threat.
Any group that opposes the status quo becomes a threat. But individuals are ignored for the most part while they quietly rewrite the worlds code to bring some small enlightenment to the ones who can turn their brains on to what the deal is with the unreality of reality.
I approve of this N00b :lulz:
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
If we were relevent then there would be no need for us. We are Discordians, Eris is our main squeeze because she was not considered relevent, she was considered disruptive and outside the norm. The question should be more along the lines of, "Should we be worried about becoming relevent?" I mean, to me relevence means that someone recognizes the movement as a movement, and THEY should see us as "Lone Gunmen" so to speak. If we were a movement we would be a target for disruption and removal. Sure we hang out on the forum and have a bit of a giggle at the expense of the Thudians, but THEY don't see that as a threat.
Any group that opposes the status quo becomes a threat. But individuals are ignored for the most part while they quietly rewrite the worlds code to bring some small enlightenment to the ones who can turn their brains on to what the deal is with the unreality of reality.
Holy shit.
:mittens: :potd: :mittens:
How am I supposed to hate new people when they post shit like this? :crankey:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 06:57:31 PM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
If we were relevent then there would be no need for us. We are Discordians, Eris is our main squeeze because she was not considered relevent, she was considered disruptive and outside the norm. The question should be more along the lines of, "Should we be worried about becoming relevent?" I mean, to me relevence means that someone recognizes the movement as a movement, and THEY should see us as "Lone Gunmen" so to speak. If we were a movement we would be a target for disruption and removal. Sure we hang out on the forum and have a bit of a giggle at the expense of the Thudians, but THEY don't see that as a threat.
Any group that opposes the status quo becomes a threat. But individuals are ignored for the most part while they quietly rewrite the worlds code to bring some small enlightenment to the ones who can turn their brains on to what the deal is with the unreality of reality.
Holy shit.
:mittens: :potd: :mittens:
How am I supposed to hate new people when they post shit like this? :crankey:
You'll find a way, I have faith.
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 07:00:10 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 06:57:31 PM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
If we were relevent then there would be no need for us. We are Discordians, Eris is our main squeeze because she was not considered relevent, she was considered disruptive and outside the norm. The question should be more along the lines of, "Should we be worried about becoming relevent?" I mean, to me relevence means that someone recognizes the movement as a movement, and THEY should see us as "Lone Gunmen" so to speak. If we were a movement we would be a target for disruption and removal. Sure we hang out on the forum and have a bit of a giggle at the expense of the Thudians, but THEY don't see that as a threat.
Any group that opposes the status quo becomes a threat. But individuals are ignored for the most part while they quietly rewrite the worlds code to bring some small enlightenment to the ones who can turn their brains on to what the deal is with the unreality of reality.
Holy shit.
:mittens: :potd: :mittens:
How am I supposed to hate new people when they post shit like this? :crankey:
You'll find a way, I have faith.
I hate him for that. :argh!:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 07:04:19 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 07:00:10 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 06:57:31 PM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
If we were relevent then there would be no need for us. We are Discordians, Eris is our main squeeze because she was not considered relevent, she was considered disruptive and outside the norm. The question should be more along the lines of, "Should we be worried about becoming relevent?" I mean, to me relevence means that someone recognizes the movement as a movement, and THEY should see us as "Lone Gunmen" so to speak. If we were a movement we would be a target for disruption and removal. Sure we hang out on the forum and have a bit of a giggle at the expense of the Thudians, but THEY don't see that as a threat.
Any group that opposes the status quo becomes a threat. But individuals are ignored for the most part while they quietly rewrite the worlds code to bring some small enlightenment to the ones who can turn their brains on to what the deal is with the unreality of reality.
Holy shit.
:mittens: :potd: :mittens:
How am I supposed to hate new people when they post shit like this? :crankey:
You'll find a way, I have faith.
I hate him for that. :argh!:
I KNEW YOU COULD DO IT :mrgreen:
Prolly a Daruko alt.
Earning his bread tho.
Quote from: VERBtr on September 11, 2009, 12:19:49 PM
Prolly a Daruko alt.
Earning his bread tho.
Nope!
what's a Daruko? Is it tasty and crunchy with catsup?
I R Teh Halfbaked1, They called me Halfbaked for my ideas that I didn't know were Erisian until I learned to dig the Principia Discordia, so I started using the name as a badge of honour. As long as THEY see me as being some Halfbaked pseudo philosopher then they never realize that bit by lil bit I am showing them what's behind the curtain. And by the time that someone realizes that they have had their lil minds re-coded it's too late and they can't go back to thinking like all the sheep around them.
Please produce your Pope card for inspection.
The Illuminati census deadline is in 23 hours, and the cyborg census agents are getting cranky.
Quote from: Telarus on September 12, 2009, 04:44:11 AM
Please produce your Pope card for inspection.
The Illuminati census deadline is in 23 hours, and the cyborg census agents are getting cranky.
I scanned it three times while farting the theme to mission impossible. I thought that covered the census.
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 11, 2009, 05:24:14 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 07:04:19 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on September 10, 2009, 07:00:10 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2009, 06:57:31 PM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
If we were relevent then there would be no need for us. We are Discordians, Eris is our main squeeze because she was not considered relevent, she was considered disruptive and outside the norm. The question should be more along the lines of, "Should we be worried about becoming relevent?" I mean, to me relevence means that someone recognizes the movement as a movement, and THEY should see us as "Lone Gunmen" so to speak. If we were a movement we would be a target for disruption and removal. Sure we hang out on the forum and have a bit of a giggle at the expense of the Thudians, but THEY don't see that as a threat.
Any group that opposes the status quo becomes a threat. But individuals are ignored for the most part while they quietly rewrite the worlds code to bring some small enlightenment to the ones who can turn their brains on to what the deal is with the unreality of reality.
Holy shit.
:mittens: :potd: :mittens:
How am I supposed to hate new people when they post shit like this? :crankey:
You'll find a way, I have faith.
I hate him for that. :argh!:
I KNEW YOU COULD DO IT :mrgreen:
I am an olympiad hater.
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 12, 2009, 02:21:52 AM
what's a Daruko? Is it tasty and crunchy with catsup?
Yes.
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 12, 2009, 02:21:52 AM
I R Teh Halfbaked1, They called me Halfbaked for my ideas that I didn't know were Erisian until I learned to dig the Principia Discordia, so I started using the name as a badge of honour. As long as THEY see me as being some Halfbaked pseudo philosopher then they never realize that bit by lil bit I am showing them what's behind the curtain. And by the time that someone realizes that they have had their lil minds re-coded it's too late and they can't go back to thinking like all the sheep around them.
Um, that's actually incorrect. Monkey programming is self-correcting, and simians tend to drop back on all fours if you let them.
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
If we were relevent then there would be no need for us. We are Discordians, Eris is our main squeeze because she was not considered relevent, she was considered disruptive and outside the norm. The question should be more along the lines of, "Should we be worried about becoming relevent?" I mean, to me relevence means that someone recognizes the movement as a movement, and THEY should see us as "Lone Gunmen" so to speak. If we were a movement we would be a target for disruption and removal. Sure we hang out on the forum and have a bit of a giggle at the expense of the Thudians, but THEY don't see that as a threat.
Any group that opposes the status quo becomes a threat. But individuals are ignored for the most part while they quietly rewrite the worlds code to bring some small enlightenment to the ones who can turn their brains on to what the deal is with the unreality of reality.
The only thing that can kill Discordia is success.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 12, 2009, 07:09:39 AM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 12, 2009, 02:21:52 AM
what's a Daruko? Is it tasty and crunchy with catsup?
Yes.
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 12, 2009, 02:21:52 AM
I R Teh Halfbaked1, They called me Halfbaked for my ideas that I didn't know were Erisian until I learned to dig the Principia Discordia, so I started using the name as a badge of honour. As long as THEY see me as being some Halfbaked pseudo philosopher then they never realize that bit by lil bit I am showing them what's behind the curtain. And by the time that someone realizes that they have had their lil minds re-coded it's too late and they can't go back to thinking like all the sheep around them.
Um, that's actually incorrect. Monkey programming is self-correcting, and simians tend to drop back on all fours if you let them.
True that, which is why I have these electrodes, I mean pamphlets...heh heh...pamphlets.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on September 12, 2009, 08:39:29 AM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
If we were relevent then there would be no need for us. We are Discordians, Eris is our main squeeze because she was not considered relevent, she was considered disruptive and outside the norm. The question should be more along the lines of, "Should we be worried about becoming relevent?" I mean, to me relevence means that someone recognizes the movement as a movement, and THEY should see us as "Lone Gunmen" so to speak. If we were a movement we would be a target for disruption and removal. Sure we hang out on the forum and have a bit of a giggle at the expense of the Thudians, but THEY don't see that as a threat.
Any group that opposes the status quo becomes a threat. But individuals are ignored for the most part while they quietly rewrite the worlds code to bring some small enlightenment to the ones who can turn their brains on to what the deal is with the unreality of reality.
The only thing that can kill Discordia is success.
And that CAN, not WILL, kill Discordia. If we get successful, the only hope we have is to make some horrible prepackaged joke out of it.
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 12, 2009, 10:33:44 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 12, 2009, 07:09:39 AM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 12, 2009, 02:21:52 AM
what's a Daruko? Is it tasty and crunchy with catsup?
Yes.
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 12, 2009, 02:21:52 AM
I R Teh Halfbaked1, They called me Halfbaked for my ideas that I didn't know were Erisian until I learned to dig the Principia Discordia, so I started using the name as a badge of honour. As long as THEY see me as being some Halfbaked pseudo philosopher then they never realize that bit by lil bit I am showing them what's behind the curtain. And by the time that someone realizes that they have had their lil minds re-coded it's too late and they can't go back to thinking like all the sheep around them.
Um, that's actually incorrect. Monkey programming is self-correcting, and simians tend to drop back on all fours if you let them.
True that, which is why I have these electrodes, I mean pamphlets...heh heh...pamphlets.
You remind me a lot of this board, back in 2003/2004. Poor bastard.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 12, 2009, 07:09:39 AM
Monkey programming is self-correcting, and simians tend to drop back on all fours if you let them.
I'm gonna yoink that, if you don't mind.
Quote from: LMNO on September 14, 2009, 02:27:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 12, 2009, 07:09:39 AM
Monkey programming is self-correcting, and simians tend to drop back on all fours if you let them.
I'm gonna yoink that, if you don't mind.
Knock yourself out.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on September 12, 2009, 08:39:29 AM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
If we were relevent then there would be no need for us. We are Discordians, Eris is our main squeeze because she was not considered relevent, she was considered disruptive and outside the norm. The question should be more along the lines of, "Should we be worried about becoming relevent?" I mean, to me relevence means that someone recognizes the movement as a movement, and THEY should see us as "Lone Gunmen" so to speak. If we were a movement we would be a target for disruption and removal. Sure we hang out on the forum and have a bit of a giggle at the expense of the Thudians, but THEY don't see that as a threat.
Any group that opposes the status quo becomes a threat. But individuals are ignored for the most part while they quietly rewrite the worlds code to bring some small enlightenment to the ones who can turn their brains on to what the deal is with the unreality of reality.
The only thing that can kill Discordia is success.
Do you mean success, or do you mean popularity? Because I'm not even really sure what success IS, in terms of Discordianism.
Quote from: Nigel on September 14, 2009, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on September 12, 2009, 08:39:29 AM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
If we were relevent then there would be no need for us. We are Discordians, Eris is our main squeeze because she was not considered relevent, she was considered disruptive and outside the norm. The question should be more along the lines of, "Should we be worried about becoming relevent?" I mean, to me relevence means that someone recognizes the movement as a movement, and THEY should see us as "Lone Gunmen" so to speak. If we were a movement we would be a target for disruption and removal. Sure we hang out on the forum and have a bit of a giggle at the expense of the Thudians, but THEY don't see that as a threat.
Any group that opposes the status quo becomes a threat. But individuals are ignored for the most part while they quietly rewrite the worlds code to bring some small enlightenment to the ones who can turn their brains on to what the deal is with the unreality of reality.
The only thing that can kill Discordia is success.
Do you mean success, or do you mean popularity? Because I'm not even really sure what success IS, in terms of Discordianism.
My dear Nigel, noone should have a clue what success would mean for Discordianism. But in the conventional sense I suppose that would mean a church on many a corner in major metropolitan areas where there are a hookas and a circles of pillows instead of pews, and the holy communion is a hotdog sans bun. Then Mal2 could have an audience with the Pope where he offers him the golden apple of Kalissti, and go tag "Eris Rules" on the wailing wall.
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 15, 2009, 01:15:24 AM
Quote from: Nigel on September 14, 2009, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on September 12, 2009, 08:39:29 AM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
If we were relevent then there would be no need for us. We are Discordians, Eris is our main squeeze because she was not considered relevent, she was considered disruptive and outside the norm. The question should be more along the lines of, "Should we be worried about becoming relevent?" I mean, to me relevence means that someone recognizes the movement as a movement, and THEY should see us as "Lone Gunmen" so to speak. If we were a movement we would be a target for disruption and removal. Sure we hang out on the forum and have a bit of a giggle at the expense of the Thudians, but THEY don't see that as a threat.
Any group that opposes the status quo becomes a threat. But individuals are ignored for the most part while they quietly rewrite the worlds code to bring some small enlightenment to the ones who can turn their brains on to what the deal is with the unreality of reality.
The only thing that can kill Discordia is success.
Do you mean success, or do you mean popularity? Because I'm not even really sure what success IS, in terms of Discordianism.
My dear Nigel, noone should have a clue what success would mean for Discordianism. But in the conventional sense I suppose that would mean a church on many a corner in major metropolitan areas where there are a hookas and a circles of pillows instead of pews, and the holy communion is a hotdog sans bun. Then Mal2 could have an audience with the Pope where he offers him the golden apple of Kalissti, and go tag "Eris Rules" on the wailing wall.
No one. NO. ONE. TWO WORDS.
TGRR,
IS RICHARD. FUCKING. CHEESE!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 15, 2009, 01:19:16 AM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 15, 2009, 01:15:24 AM
Quote from: Nigel on September 14, 2009, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on September 12, 2009, 08:39:29 AM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
If we were relevent then there would be no need for us. We are Discordians, Eris is our main squeeze because she was not considered relevent, she was considered disruptive and outside the norm. The question should be more along the lines of, "Should we be worried about becoming relevent?" I mean, to me relevence means that someone recognizes the movement as a movement, and THEY should see us as "Lone Gunmen" so to speak. If we were a movement we would be a target for disruption and removal. Sure we hang out on the forum and have a bit of a giggle at the expense of the Thudians, but THEY don't see that as a threat.
Any group that opposes the status quo becomes a threat. But individuals are ignored for the most part while they quietly rewrite the worlds code to bring some small enlightenment to the ones who can turn their brains on to what the deal is with the unreality of reality.
The only thing that can kill Discordia is success.
Do you mean success, or do you mean popularity? Because I'm not even really sure what success IS, in terms of Discordianism.
My dear Nigel, noone should have a clue what success would mean for Discordianism. But in the conventional sense I suppose that would mean a church on many a corner in major metropolitan areas where there are a hookas and a circles of pillows instead of pews, and the holy communion is a hotdog sans bun. Then Mal2 could have an audience with the Pope where he offers him the golden apple of Kalissti, and go tag "Eris Rules" on the wailing wall.
No one. NO. ONE. TWO WORDS.
TGRR,
IS RICHARD. FUCKING. CHEESE!
And I thought I was a Grammar Nazi...ACK! Not the face not the face!! *runs to hide, leaving a ham sammich behind to distract pursuers*
Why would anyone fuck cheese? :?
Quote from: Anton on September 15, 2009, 06:57:57 AM
Why would anyone fuck cheese? :?
sounds like a gouda idea to me.
You sir, are a Munster!
Cheese puns! I miss you so!
And now, I need a metacomment: this debate/discussion had come from "irrelevance" to "destruction"--are the two the same? I think not.
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 15, 2009, 01:15:24 AM
Quote from: Nigel on September 14, 2009, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on September 12, 2009, 08:39:29 AM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
If we were relevent then there would be no need for us. We are Discordians, Eris is our main squeeze because she was not considered relevent, she was considered disruptive and outside the norm. The question should be more along the lines of, "Should we be worried about becoming relevent?" I mean, to me relevence means that someone recognizes the movement as a movement, and THEY should see us as "Lone Gunmen" so to speak. If we were a movement we would be a target for disruption and removal. Sure we hang out on the forum and have a bit of a giggle at the expense of the Thudians, but THEY don't see that as a threat.
Any group that opposes the status quo becomes a threat. But individuals are ignored for the most part while they quietly rewrite the worlds code to bring some small enlightenment to the ones who can turn their brains on to what the deal is with the unreality of reality.
The only thing that can kill Discordia is success.
Do you mean success, or do you mean popularity? Because I'm not even really sure what success IS, in terms of Discordianism.
My dear Nigel, noone should have a clue what success would mean for Discordianism. But in the conventional sense I suppose that would mean a church on many a corner in major metropolitan areas where there are a hookas and a circles of pillows instead of pews, and the holy communion is a hotdog sans bun. Then Mal2 could have an audience with the Pope where he offers him the golden apple of Kalissti, and go tag "Eris Rules" on the wailing wall.
See, that sounds like popularity, rather than success.
"Success" might actually be irrelevance.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 15, 2009, 01:19:16 AM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 15, 2009, 01:15:24 AM
Quote from: Nigel on September 14, 2009, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on September 12, 2009, 08:39:29 AM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
If we were relevent then there would be no need for us. We are Discordians, Eris is our main squeeze because she was not considered relevent, she was considered disruptive and outside the norm. The question should be more along the lines of, "Should we be worried about becoming relevent?" I mean, to me relevence means that someone recognizes the movement as a movement, and THEY should see us as "Lone Gunmen" so to speak. If we were a movement we would be a target for disruption and removal. Sure we hang out on the forum and have a bit of a giggle at the expense of the Thudians, but THEY don't see that as a threat.
Any group that opposes the status quo becomes a threat. But individuals are ignored for the most part while they quietly rewrite the worlds code to bring some small enlightenment to the ones who can turn their brains on to what the deal is with the unreality of reality.
The only thing that can kill Discordia is success.
Do you mean success, or do you mean popularity? Because I'm not even really sure what success IS, in terms of Discordianism.
My dear Nigel, noone should have a clue what success would mean for Discordianism. But in the conventional sense I suppose that would mean a church on many a corner in major metropolitan areas where there are a hookas and a circles of pillows instead of pews, and the holy communion is a hotdog sans bun. Then Mal2 could have an audience with the Pope where he offers him the golden apple of Kalissti, and go tag "Eris Rules" on the wailing wall.
No one. NO. ONE. TWO WORDS.
TGRR,
IS RICHARD. FUCKING. CHEESE!
??
(http://www.sailwindscambridge.com/images/noone.JPG)
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 15, 2009, 01:19:16 AM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 15, 2009, 01:15:24 AM
Quote from: Nigel on September 14, 2009, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on September 12, 2009, 08:39:29 AM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
If we were relevent then there would be no need for us. We are Discordians, Eris is our main squeeze because she was not considered relevent, she was considered disruptive and outside the norm. The question should be more along the lines of, "Should we be worried about becoming relevent?" I mean, to me relevence means that someone recognizes the movement as a movement, and THEY should see us as "Lone Gunmen" so to speak. If we were a movement we would be a target for disruption and removal. Sure we hang out on the forum and have a bit of a giggle at the expense of the Thudians, but THEY don't see that as a threat.
Any group that opposes the status quo becomes a threat. But individuals are ignored for the most part while they quietly rewrite the worlds code to bring some small enlightenment to the ones who can turn their brains on to what the deal is with the unreality of reality.
The only thing that can kill Discordia is success.
Do you mean success, or do you mean popularity? Because I'm not even really sure what success IS, in terms of Discordianism.
My dear Nigel, noone should have a clue what success would mean for Discordianism. But in the conventional sense I suppose that would mean a church on many a corner in major metropolitan areas where there are a hookas and a circles of pillows instead of pews, and the holy communion is a hotdog sans bun. Then Mal2 could have an audience with the Pope where he offers him the golden apple of Kalissti, and go tag "Eris Rules" on the wailing wall.
No one. NO. ONE. TWO WORDS.
TGRR,
IS RICHARD. FUCKING. CHEESE!
Only person who could ever pull off "Noone" is now dead from a horde of angry, short-changed rent boys.
I miss HSD :cry:
I figure that to a great extent, discordianism has already BEEN successful. I mean, discordia has influenced a lot of things in the 'main stream' without becoming itself 'main stream' -- the way to tell this is because the PD and various other older discordian things started out seeming quite new and shiny and innovative, and now seem derivative, DESPITE PREDATING those things that it reminds you of. This is also the case with things like The Invisibles, the novels of Isaac Asimov, etc. Cultural osmosis has leaked the content without leaking the source. The fact that (relatively) mainstream things like V for Vendetta, DEVO, The Matrix, THHGttG, Discworld, Pi, and The Number 23 were either influenced by discordian works or influenced by works influenced by discordian works indicates this.
(NB: this post may not make sense. I am working on little sleep and no food. I may edit later)
It's also possible that those ideas were reached independently.
It's possible. But what matters is that they were reached. If the goal occurs, it doesn't really matter whether or not the mechanism worked as expected.
Unfortunately, Enki has a point. If mainstream society is behaving in a more Discordian fashion than they used to, what does it matter if they read a stupid pamphlet written by a bunch of acid freaks or not? Our principles remain valid.
Quote from: LMNO on September 17, 2009, 02:54:47 AM
Unfortunately, Enki has a point.
:crankey:
I don't have to like it.
Quote from: LMNO on September 17, 2009, 02:54:47 AM
If mainstream society is behaving in a more Discordian fashion than they used to, what does it matter if they read a stupid pamphlet written by a bunch of acid freaks or not? Our principles remain valid.
Since when does "valid" matter? I just want to see shit fall over. Because I hate monkeys. I hate everything about them, but mostly I hate how they will take anything nice, and fuck it up with their monkeyness (for proof of which I need only point at the bill of rights). I want to see Fat City tear itself into pieces, catch fire, fall over, and sink into the swamp. I have been stockpiling smores for this very occasion.
:lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on September 17, 2009, 04:23:40 AM
:lulz:
I was being serious. :)
TGRR,
Is pretty sure you knew that.
It was the s'mores that got me.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 17, 2009, 03:59:18 AM
Quote from: LMNO on September 17, 2009, 02:54:47 AM
Unfortunately, Enki has a point.
:crankey:
I don't have to like it.
Quote from: LMNO on September 17, 2009, 02:54:47 AM
If mainstream society is behaving in a more Discordian fashion than they used to, what does it matter if they read a stupid pamphlet written by a bunch of acid freaks or not? Our principles remain valid.
Since when does "valid" matter? I just want to see shit fall over. Because I hate monkeys. I hate everything about them, but mostly I hate how they will take anything nice, and fuck it up with their monkeyness (for proof of which I need only point at the bill of rights). I want to see Fat City tear itself into pieces, catch fire, fall over, and sink into the swamp. I have been stockpiling smores for this very occasion.
I am the Halfbaked1, and I approve of this message. Not that TGRR gives a flying rip, but I do.
the relevancy of discordia is irrelevant
Discordia is irrelevant because discordians spend more time infighting than they do out fighting.
Fuck you, Kai.
Make puns, not war.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 05, 2009, 01:22:55 PM
Make puns, not war.
I'd rather make war on puns. It's the best of both worlds.
Wars would be less bloody if we shot puns at people. Or maybe they'd be more bloody. Some people don't like puns.
Quote from: Caliginos Gnosticos on October 05, 2009, 10:08:27 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 05, 2009, 01:22:55 PM
Make puns, not war.
I'd rather make war on puns. It's the best of both worlds.
This. RWHN was born wrong, and inflicts upon us what can be best described as crimes against humanity. He is a monster, and will stop at nothing to offend our sensibilities. Hell, IANAR was a regular person before "the incident", and RWHN has never even apologized. We'll have to deal with him, one fine day.
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on October 05, 2009, 10:13:59 PM
Wars would be less bloody if we shot puns at people. Or maybe they'd be more bloody. Some civilized people don't like puns.
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on October 05, 2009, 10:13:59 PM
Wars would be less bloody if we shot puns at people. Or maybe they'd be more bloody. Some people don't like puns.
It worked out for that guy with the skull on his t-shirt.
(http://c2.api.ning.com/files/QXwdyvQSdrz3Fcsn59xsvY88IvwXOUymJmoz26s*zi3cXrfvuOly8DTIuSxBH*49Tf90D4TX*3rLwYVZL8Sqd*KLm57xOSLS/punisher21.jpg)
RWHN's secret identity.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 10:14:47 PM
Quote from: Caliginos Gnosticos on October 05, 2009, 10:08:27 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 05, 2009, 01:22:55 PM
Make puns, not war.
I'd rather make war on puns. It's the best of both worlds.
This. RWHN was born wrong, and inflicts upon us what can be best described as crimes against humanity. He is a monster, and will stop at nothing to offend our sensibilities. Hell, IANAR was a regular person before "the incident", and RWHN has never even apologized. We'll have to deal with him, one fine day.
When I was born, Abbot and Costello were on the TeeVee. It was the "Who's On First" routine. It was an omen. This was to be my calling. It....was......DESTINY!!
or maybe I was dropped when I came out....who knows?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 06, 2009, 11:03:00 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 05, 2009, 10:14:47 PM
Quote from: Caliginos Gnosticos on October 05, 2009, 10:08:27 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 05, 2009, 01:22:55 PM
Make puns, not war.
I'd rather make war on puns. It's the best of both worlds.
This. RWHN was born wrong, and inflicts upon us what can be best described as crimes against humanity. He is a monster, and will stop at nothing to offend our sensibilities. Hell, IANAR was a regular person before "the incident", and RWHN has never even apologized. We'll have to deal with him, one fine day.
When I was born, Abbot and Costello were on the TeeVee. It was the "Who's On First" routine. It was an omen. This was to be my calling. It....was......DESTINY!!
or maybe I was dropped when I came out....who knows?
Or maybe it that's just what
they want you to think. I'm not sure who
they are, but I hear that
they do a lot of
those sorts of things.
http://www.disinfo.com/2009/10/chaoism-an-infantile-disorder/
This article (which I have not read) appears to be applicable to this discussion. On the flipside, it may be a strawman, or it may be something we have considered already. I am leaning towards the latter, myself.
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on October 12, 2009, 11:23:45 PM
http://www.disinfo.com/2009/10/chaoism-an-infantile-disorder/
This article (which I have not read) appears to be applicable to this discussion. On the flipside, it may be a strawman, or it may be something we have considered already. I am leaning towards the latter, myself.
I just read it. It's only somewhat applicable. I think the author is painting with a rather broad brush. He also seems to have had very little experience with discordians, or at least with any that actually take it seriously. On the other hand, he lauds RAW. Yet, insofar as discordianism is concerned, he misses the point. I'd go on, but if you read it, you'll see what I mean. Personally, I think he's a good candidate for a Jake, but that's just me. I'm a mean bastard. Anyone who feels like helping to illuminate the poor soul, here's his contact information:
Nick Pell
8.5 Allen Street
Salem, Massachusetts 01970
United States
(413) 455-8913
:pax:
ALERT! ALERT! ALERT! ALERT!
OM Protocol 23 is now in effect.
Hahahahaha.
Nick has had bad experience with fluffy Chaos-magic spags who's "minds are so open their brains have fallen out" and that's what mostly informed that rant (yah gotta realize that since the 90's the word 'Chaoism' only applies to us tangentially, and points more towards the various memes that followed Peter's Carroll's Liber Kaos, etc, etc).
Also, he's here in PDX (not Ma anymore), and knows JohnnyBrainwash and I. Nick is one of the major forces behind the Esozone unConference and is more sympathetic with the current incarnation of Discordia than the pinealist interpretations (and he nails it, really.... Pinealism is an infantile approach to Discordia, much like one can fall into an infantile interpretation of Chaos Magick, Thelema or Christianity for that matter). In the comments he mentions that this was a quickly formed and lightly edited rant, not one of his best, and the intended audience are more those "minds are open that their brains have fallen out" pagans and magicians that we see constantly railed at by the likes of TGRR and others.
It's basically a THINK FOR YOURSELF, SHCMUCK! rant. He's a good guy to have a conversation with.
I'd read back a few posts to get a better idea of what that blog is about, as well.
Haha Nick! He's an interesting character.
So 2011 is coming soon. Is it still relevant? Are we still relevant? Is anything still relevant?
I think now more than ever, Discordia is needed. But, I think now more than ever, Discordia would be shunned, ignored, and mocked. I think in America it would be seen as a brand of intellectual elitism, even though I think it encapsulates some pretty straightforward, easy-to-digest philosophies.
Aside from the whole worship of a female Deity thing, Conservatives should, in theory, like us because Think For Yourself, Schmuck is definitely quite antithetical to Let The Government Think For You, Sucker. But then again, they haven't realized yet that they've pretty much signed over their thought-making to their favorite pundits.
The Machinetm is still churning right along. It doesn't show any signs of slowing down or shifting course. If anything, it seems like the gears are gnashing even louder.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on November 15, 2010, 02:45:41 PM
So 2011 is coming soon. Is it still relevant? Are we still relevant? Is anything still relevant?
I think now more than ever, Discordia is needed. But, I think now more than ever, Discordia would be shunned, ignored, and mocked. I think in America it would be seen as a brand of intellectual elitism, even though I think it encapsulates some pretty straightforward, easy-to-digest philosophies.
Aside from the whole worship of a female Deity thing, Conservatives should, in theory, like us because Think For Yourself, Schmuck is definitely quite antithetical to Let The Government Think For You, Sucker. But then again, they haven't realized yet that they've pretty much signed over their thought-making to their favorite pundits.
The Machinetm is still churning right along. It doesn't show any signs of slowing down or shifting course. If anything, it seems like the gears are gnashing even louder.
If intellectual elitism is a bad thing (and I still don't get what's so bad about someone being smarter), then the absurdity of Discordia might be a good selling point.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on November 15, 2010, 05:08:59 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on November 15, 2010, 02:45:41 PM
So 2011 is coming soon. Is it still relevant? Are we still relevant? Is anything still relevant?
I think now more than ever, Discordia is needed. But, I think now more than ever, Discordia would be shunned, ignored, and mocked. I think in America it would be seen as a brand of intellectual elitism, even though I think it encapsulates some pretty straightforward, easy-to-digest philosophies.
Aside from the whole worship of a female Deity thing, Conservatives should, in theory, like us because Think For Yourself, Schmuck is definitely quite antithetical to Let The Government Think For You, Sucker. But then again, they haven't realized yet that they've pretty much signed over their thought-making to their favorite pundits.
The Machinetm is still churning right along. It doesn't show any signs of slowing down or shifting course. If anything, it seems like the gears are gnashing even louder.
If intellectual elitism is a bad thing (and I still don't get what's so bad about someone being smarter), then the absurdity of Discordia might be a good selling point.
Yeah, same. In fact I don't understand the aversion to elitism if its only in regard to acknowledging some people are better at some things than others. Seems fairly juvenile to believe everyone is equal at everything.
the disdain for elitism is a few things
1) aversion to condescension
2) cultural territorial marker
A friend from NYC was staying at my place. In the morning we were going out for bagels and she said "Why would I want
westchester bagels? I'm from
Brooklyn." Like, how can you unwashed spags out here in the commons expect me to eat your common plebian bagels after having experienced the sublime joy of a
Brooklyn bagel?
Sorry, I have a particularly low tolerance for NYC elitism.
/tangent
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on November 15, 2010, 02:45:41 PM
So 2011 is coming soon. Is it still relevant? Are we still relevant? Is anything still relevant?
I think now more than ever, Discordia is needed. But, I think now more than ever, Discordia would be shunned, ignored, and mocked. I think in America it would be seen as a brand of intellectual elitism, even though I think it encapsulates some pretty straightforward, easy-to-digest philosophies.
Aside from the whole worship of a female Deity thing, Conservatives should, in theory, like us because Think For Yourself, Schmuck is definitely quite antithetical to Let The Government Think For You, Sucker. But then again, they haven't realized yet that they've pretty much signed over their thought-making to their favorite pundits.
The Machinetm is still churning right along. It doesn't show any signs of slowing down or shifting course. If anything, it seems like the gears are gnashing even louder.
Totally agree...
I think we need to inject some absurdity into some of the hot-topics of the day
off the top of my head, the TSA backscanners are an absolutely terrifying development in the oncoming police state. This is a great spot for some Discordian to start pushing the joke that this is actually really sexy, and if you just fetishize the exhibitionism/voyeurism, this is actually a good thing.
Que Horrormirth
Quote from: Hoopla on November 15, 2010, 05:12:18 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on November 15, 2010, 05:08:59 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on November 15, 2010, 02:45:41 PM
So 2011 is coming soon. Is it still relevant? Are we still relevant? Is anything still relevant?
I think now more than ever, Discordia is needed. But, I think now more than ever, Discordia would be shunned, ignored, and mocked. I think in America it would be seen as a brand of intellectual elitism, even though I think it encapsulates some pretty straightforward, easy-to-digest philosophies.
Aside from the whole worship of a female Deity thing, Conservatives should, in theory, like us because Think For Yourself, Schmuck is definitely quite antithetical to Let The Government Think For You, Sucker. But then again, they haven't realized yet that they've pretty much signed over their thought-making to their favorite pundits.
The Machinetm is still churning right along. It doesn't show any signs of slowing down or shifting course. If anything, it seems like the gears are gnashing even louder.
If intellectual elitism is a bad thing (and I still don't get what's so bad about someone being smarter), then the absurdity of Discordia might be a good selling point.
Yeah, same. In fact I don't understand the aversion to elitism if its only in regard to acknowledging some people are better at some things than others. Seems fairly juvenile to believe everyone is equal at everything.
It's because all the stupid people think that the smart people think that they're better than them period, I think. Naturally its just their stupid talking but what can you do?
But, really what I think it is is that people with higher levels of education tend to be more liberal and atheist/agnostic. It offends conservatives. Fortunately for them, they have a bunch of demagogues that are able to make neutral words into negative words, so that being less than intelligent is somehow a preferrable state than being more intelligent. Of course it suits their purposes. They'd like the people to remain ill-informed.
* TRANSPORTATION SECURITY ADMINISTRATION *
NOTICE TO TRAVELERS
THIS FACILITY IS EQUIPPED WITH T.S.A. BODY SCANNERS WHICH WILL REVEAL TO OUR AGENTS DANGEROUS ITEMS THAT MAY BE HIDDEN UNDER A PASSENGER'S CLOTHING.
THIS PRACTICE HAS DRAMATICALLY REDUCED THE DANGER OF USING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, MAKING YOUR TRANSIT SAFER AND LESS STRESSFUL.
HOWEVER, TSA ADMINISTRATORS WORRY THAT OUR HIGH SUCCESS RATE, AND THE STEEP DROP IN IDENTIFIED SUSPECTS, MAY LEAD TO DECREASED ENTHUSIASM ON THE PART OF OUR AGENTS, AND THEREFORE LEAD TO MISSED INFRACTIONS.
TO COUNTER THIS DANGER, WE ASK ALL PASSENGERS TO PLEASE VISIT THE RESTROOM PRIOR TO ENTERING THE SCANNER, PUT ON SOMETHING SEXY UNDER YOUR CLOTHES, AND STRUT THROUGH THE SCANNER LIKE A RUNWAY MODEL. THIS WILL RESULT IN A HIGHER ATTENTIVENESS IN OUR AGENTS.
DO IT FOR SECURITY. DO IT FOR YOUR COUNTRY!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: you still got it, bro
:lulz:
Wait. Bagel snobbery is intellectual elitism?
Also, I should now assume that I am on the same intellectual level as a teabagger?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 15, 2010, 06:52:12 PM
Wait. Bagel snobbery is intellectual elitism?
Also, I should now assume that I am on the same intellectual level as a teabagger?
Yeah not sure that was exactly what I was referring to. Plus, Westshester bagels do suck, even Jessica Simpson knows that.
Quote from: Hoopla on November 15, 2010, 07:52:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 15, 2010, 06:52:12 PM
Wait. Bagel snobbery is intellectual elitism?
Also, I should now assume that I am on the same intellectual level as a teabagger?
Yeah not sure that was exactly what I was referring to.
I look at it this way:
1. Filthy Assistant is neither trained to nor equiped for independent thinking. His fellow Glenn Beck fans are in the same boat.
2. I am, to one degree or another, equiped and trained for independent thought. So are most, if not all PDers.
3. There's a hell of a lot more of them than there are of us.
4. Ergo, we are actually an intellectual elite, sad as that may be.
QED.
I'm comfortable with that, despite having recently made a Jessica Simpson reference.
Quote from: Hoopla on November 15, 2010, 07:57:15 PM
I'm comfortable with that, despite having recently made a Jessica Simpson reference.
Is she still alive?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 15, 2010, 06:52:12 PM
Wait. Bagel snobbery is intellectual elitism?
My post was in response to the comment "In fact I don't understand the aversion to elitism if its only in regard to acknowledging some people are better at some things than others. Seems fairly juvenile to believe everyone is equal at everything." and "If intellectual elitism is a bad thing (and I still don't get what's so bad about someone being smarter)..."
people usually hate on upper-east-coast-intellectual-elitism - which is just a manifestation of a larger metrocentric form of condescending wankery
I wanted to point out that this is a totally legit thing to be annoyed by, it's not just intellectual elitism, it's that a lot of people from large cities think they're the center of the civilized universe and everybody else is rednecks and barbarians
But that's true.
As usual, there is a problem of definitions here.
While technically you can use "elite" to mean a small group of people who have superior skills in a specific area of knowledge, it appears to me that when used as an epithet, most people intend it to mean a person who, having been skilled in one area of knowledge, suddenly thinks and acts as if they have equally skilled knowledge of all other disciplines.
Or to put it in more graphic terms, a linguistics professor who tells a plumber the best way to snake a drain.
Ah, well that is different. Up here in Canada we just call them assholes.
Quote from: Cramulus on November 15, 2010, 07:59:15 PM
people usually hate on upper-east-coast-intellectual-elitism - which is just a manifestation of a larger metrocentric form of condescending wankery
I wanted to point out that this is a totally legit thing to be annoyed by, it's not just intellectual elitism, it's that a lot of people from large cities think they're the center of the civilized universe and everybody else is rednecks and barbarians
Actually, it's really the East Coast that's civilized. Out West, the vast majority of the population are knuckle-dragging yahoos that think Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin walk on water...Even the "educated" population.
I've lived on the East Coast, the Midwest, and out in this hellhole, and believe me when I say I know what I'm talking about. 70% of East coasters might be guidos, hipsters, and angry old millwrights, but 99.5% of Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico are dittoheads with about 3 brain cells between them.
So fuck 'em. Let 'em hate. It's not like I don't hate them.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on November 15, 2010, 08:03:01 PM
As usual, there is a problem of definitions here.
While technically you can use "elite" to mean a small group of people who have superior skills in a specific area of knowledge, it appears to me that when used as an epithet, most people intend it to mean a person who, having been skilled in one area of knowledge, suddenly thinks and acts as if they have equally skilled knowledge of all other disciplines.
Or to put it in more graphic terms, a linguistics professor who tells a plumber the best way to snake a drain.
We call that "Mike the engineer". :lol:
My example was meant to illustrate that even though I can see the tappan zee bridge from my house, people from NYC consider this "upstate," a worthless country full of sheep and yokels, containing nothing worth visiting. When people complain about NYC elitism, they're not complaining about people from NYC or Boston being smarter or more well-mannered, they're complaining about them being condescending pricks obsessed with how important and relevant they think they are. If you're a bigshot in some NYC punk scene, you assume that you're the king of the global punk scene. It's a lot of "big fish in a small pond" syndrome except that it's a large pond that people frequently confuse with the ocean.
/tangent
Quote from: Cramulus on November 15, 2010, 08:12:49 PM
My example was meant to illustrate that even though I can see the tappan zee bridge from my house, people from NYC consider this "upstate," a worthless country full of sheep and yokels, containing nothing worth visiting. When people complain about NYC elitism, they're not complaining about people from NYC or Boston being smarter or more well-mannered, they're complaining about them being condescending pricks obsessed with how important and relevant they think they are. If you're a bigshot in some NYC punk scene, you assume that you're the king of the global punk scene. It's a lot of "big fish in a small pond" syndrome except that it's a large pond that people frequently confuse with the ocean.
/tangent
It sounds like what we have here is a conflict of terminology.
Quote from: Cramulus on November 15, 2010, 08:12:49 PM
My example was meant to illustrate that even though I can see the tappan zee bridge from my house, people from NYC consider this "upstate," a worthless country full of sheep and yokels, containing nothing worth visiting. When people complain about NYC elitism, they're not complaining about people from NYC or Boston being smarter or more well-mannered, they're complaining about them being condescending pricks obsessed with how important and relevant they think they are. If you're a bigshot in some NYC punk scene, you assume that you're the king of the global punk scene. It's a lot of "big fish in a small pond" syndrome except that it's a large pond that people frequently confuse with the ocean.
/tangent
Now you're just starting to sound bitter. I've never been to Westchester, so I can't say whether it sucks more than NYC or not, but consider this... many people choose to spend vacation time in NYC, how many choose Westchester?
Toronto (as sucky as it is) gets this from all its surrounding neighbors too, Scarborough, Mississauga, North York, and a bunch of other places you've never heard of. Know why you haven't heard of them? Because they are pretty drab and carry nothing you can't find in a hundred other similar big-city backpacks.
One you've seen one street that has a McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, Dairy Queen, Arby's, White Castle, etc littering both sides of the street I will go out on a limb and say you've seen them all. It's as if Kissimme exploded over every suburb in the world.
Quote from: Hoopla on November 15, 2010, 08:19:43 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 15, 2010, 08:12:49 PM
My example was meant to illustrate that even though I can see the tappan zee bridge from my house, people from NYC consider this "upstate," a worthless country full of sheep and yokels, containing nothing worth visiting. When people complain about NYC elitism, they're not complaining about people from NYC or Boston being smarter or more well-mannered, they're complaining about them being condescending pricks obsessed with how important and relevant they think they are. If you're a bigshot in some NYC punk scene, you assume that you're the king of the global punk scene. It's a lot of "big fish in a small pond" syndrome except that it's a large pond that people frequently confuse with the ocean.
/tangent
Now you're just starting to sound bitter. I've never been to Westchester, so I can't say whether it sucks more than NYC or not, but consider this... many people choose to spend vacation time in NYC, how many choose Westchester?
Toronto (as sucky as it is) gets this from all its surrounding neighbors too, Scarborough, Mississauga, North York, and a bunch of other places you've never heard of. Know why you haven't heard of them? Because they are pretty drab and carry nothing you can't find in a hundred other similar big-city backpacks.
One you've seen one street that has a McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, Dairy Queen, Arby's, White Castle, etc littering both sides of the street I will go out on a limb and say you've seen them all. It's as if Kissimme exploded over every suburb in the world.
I think I covered this in "The Monoculture".
Reading that last post back, it occurs to me that it might not come across quite as tongue-in-cheek as I intended it... please rest assured I was mostly joking and think suburbs are adorable and harmless.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 15, 2010, 08:26:41 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on November 15, 2010, 08:19:43 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 15, 2010, 08:12:49 PM
My example was meant to illustrate that even though I can see the tappan zee bridge from my house, people from NYC consider this "upstate," a worthless country full of sheep and yokels, containing nothing worth visiting. When people complain about NYC elitism, they're not complaining about people from NYC or Boston being smarter or more well-mannered, they're complaining about them being condescending pricks obsessed with how important and relevant they think they are. If you're a bigshot in some NYC punk scene, you assume that you're the king of the global punk scene. It's a lot of "big fish in a small pond" syndrome except that it's a large pond that people frequently confuse with the ocean.
/tangent
Now you're just starting to sound bitter. I've never been to Westchester, so I can't say whether it sucks more than NYC or not, but consider this... many people choose to spend vacation time in NYC, how many choose Westchester?
Toronto (as sucky as it is) gets this from all its surrounding neighbors too, Scarborough, Mississauga, North York, and a bunch of other places you've never heard of. Know why you haven't heard of them? Because they are pretty drab and carry nothing you can't find in a hundred other similar big-city backpacks.
One you've seen one street that has a McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, Dairy Queen, Arby's, White Castle, etc littering both sides of the street I will go out on a limb and say you've seen them all. It's as if Kissimme exploded over every suburb in the world.
I think I covered this in "The Monoculture".
That too. I blame tv and the internet. With one hand it steals the Baltimore accent and with the other gives us Krispy Kreme donuts.
Quote from: Hoopla on November 15, 2010, 08:28:06 PM
Reading that last post back, it occurs to me that it might not come across quite as tongue-in-cheek as I intended it... please rest assured I was mostly joking and think suburbs are adorable and harmless.
In my experience, they're the wrong end of town.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 15, 2010, 08:30:29 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on November 15, 2010, 08:28:06 PM
Reading that last post back, it occurs to me that it might not come across quite as tongue-in-cheek as I intended it... please rest assured I was mostly joking and think suburbs are adorable and harmless.
In my experience, they're the wrong end of town.
Quiet Suburbia is just a nightmare waiting to happen.
I live in Wyoming. I live in the biggest town in this state, and it's really just a suburb lost in the middle of a prairie, with no city to attach to. Culturally... there is no culture in places like this. The closest thing we have to culture is the shit in the tourist shops that make a mockery of historical events, just to have something to sell.
What happened to selling booze porn and fireworks to Utahns? Or are you on the wrong side of the state for that.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on November 15, 2010, 09:28:23 PM
What happened to selling booze porn and fireworks to Utahns? Or are you on the wrong side of the state for that.
Wrong side of the state.
Quote from: postvex™ on November 15, 2010, 09:33:28 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on November 15, 2010, 09:28:23 PM
What happened to selling booze porn and fireworks to Utahns? Or are you on the wrong side of the state for that.
Wrong side of the state.
I thought Wyoming only had one side.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 15, 2010, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: postvex™ on November 15, 2010, 09:33:28 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on November 15, 2010, 09:28:23 PM
What happened to selling booze porn and fireworks to Utahns? Or are you on the wrong side of the state for that.
Wrong side of the state.
I thought Wyoming only had one side.
No, there are a few sides, but only enough people to populate one.
Quote from: postvex™ on November 15, 2010, 09:48:15 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 15, 2010, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: postvex™ on November 15, 2010, 09:33:28 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on November 15, 2010, 09:28:23 PM
What happened to selling booze porn and fireworks to Utahns? Or are you on the wrong side of the state for that.
Wrong side of the state.
I thought Wyoming only had one side.
No, there are a few sides, but only enough people to populate one.
I've been through Wyoming. It's non-Euclidean, so there's no guarantee there's two sides.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 15, 2010, 09:49:24 PM
Quote from: postvex™ on November 15, 2010, 09:48:15 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 15, 2010, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: postvex™ on November 15, 2010, 09:33:28 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on November 15, 2010, 09:28:23 PM
What happened to selling booze porn and fireworks to Utahns? Or are you on the wrong side of the state for that.
Wrong side of the state.
I thought Wyoming only had one side.
No, there are a few sides, but only enough people to populate one.
I've been through Wyoming. It's non-Euclidean, so there's no guarantee there's two sides.
It has
at least 4 sides: Snooty Jacksonites(5%), Southwestern Drunks(10%), Literal Gay-Crucifiers (5%), and Teabaggers (85%) - last 2 categories overlap.
Quote from: postvex™ on November 15, 2010, 09:56:46 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 15, 2010, 09:49:24 PM
Quote from: postvex™ on November 15, 2010, 09:48:15 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 15, 2010, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: postvex™ on November 15, 2010, 09:33:28 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on November 15, 2010, 09:28:23 PM
What happened to selling booze porn and fireworks to Utahns? Or are you on the wrong side of the state for that.
Wrong side of the state.
I thought Wyoming only had one side.
No, there are a few sides, but only enough people to populate one.
I've been through Wyoming. It's non-Euclidean, so there's no guarantee there's two sides.
It has at least 4 sides: Snooty Jacksonites(5%), Southwestern Drunks(10%), Literal Gay-Crucifiers (5%), and Teabaggers (85%) - last 2 categories overlap.
Yeah, but it took a least a month to drive across, and it's not that big on the map.
It only took a month for you. That's the effect of what Einstein called Brain Dilation, where a traveler's awareness expands to fill an intellectual vacuum.
Quote from: postvex™ on November 15, 2010, 10:01:06 PM
It only took a month for you. That's the effect of what Einstein called Brain Dilation, where a traveler's awareness expands to fill an intellectual vacuum.
GAH! I'm lucky I escaped alive!
ETA: It also explains Arizona.
Quote from: postvex™ on November 15, 2010, 10:01:06 PM
It only took a month for you. That's the effect of what Einstein called Brain Dilation, where a traveler's awareness expands to fill an intellectual vacuum.
:lulz: :lulz: