I've been seeing this word a lot, "pills." By context, it sometimes seems to mean something like those neural skullcaps from The Tripods trilogy.
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tripods
Humans are controlled from the age of 14 by implants called "caps", which suppress curiosity and creativity and leave the recipient placid and docile, incapable of dissent. The caps cause them to adore the tripods The Spidery Machine as their saviours.
But in other places, the word "pills" seems to refer to psychoactive prescription medications (as opposed to "drugs" which refer to illegal psychoactive compounds.)
One of three things is occurring:
1. I am misreading the connotations of a word. Happens all the time.
2. People are using the word "pill" with at least two very distinct meanings, one metaphorical, on literal.
3. As #2, except that people sometimes confuse or conflate the two, and meanings from the more emotionally-laden definition bleed into the others.
If #3 is the case, I predict confusion and suffering when discussing issues relating to psychology, especially abnormal psychology.
Spoken like somebody whose never been on the damned pills.
I spent the better part of my life on pills, when I finally quit them I got fat because my body was so used to swallowing an appetite suppressant every day that I never learned self control. And spent 8 months depressed because the mood levelers that kept me from beating the shit out of somebody for looking at me wrong while I was on the attention pills fucked up my normal brain chemistry.
Quote from: GA on October 08, 2009, 12:23:22 AM
2. People are using the word "pill" with at least two very distinct meanings, one metaphorical, on literal.
3. As #2, except that people sometimes confuse or conflate the two, and meanings from the more emotionally-laden definition bleed into the others.
It's called "creative writing". The lines blur. They're supposed to.
^This^
But also, they blur in reality.
Using pills as treatment is the "final solution" that psychiatrists tend to use. Psychiatrists are close buddies to behaviourists usually.
Why? Because they focus on the superficial symptoms, and not the underlying problems.
If you are depressed... what will you do?
a) Exercise, long walks (biological approach)
b) Take pills (psychiatrical approach)
c) Go to an amusement park or engage in thrill activities (behaviourist approach)
d) Deal with your fucking problems instead of avoiding them
As far as ive seen, its either answer B or C, because its non-interfering with your school/work efficiency and takes less time than D.
Because D is a big pot of chaos which people fear.
B and C are also very status quo related and wouldnt affect it, while D has the potential to do so, because it implies digging for reasons, coherence and context.
Quote from: Kai on October 08, 2009, 02:01:50 AM
^This^
But also, they blur in reality.
Yes! They do, and I wasn't even thinking of that. It's hard to tell sometimes where the metaphorical "pills" end and the literal pills begin.
Um, I think you mean 'behavioral therapy'.
Behaviorists followed a particular theory about human behavior, not therapy (well, Watson did some stuff on phobias). There aren't really a lot of Behaviorists around anymore either.
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When I was young, I was a depressive suicidal can of worms with a history that would make most health care professionals cringe, right before they called for backup. Luckily, when I was young, instead of happiness pills, therapy was the norm, and lots of it. I was in intensive therapy under the oversight of a competent psychiatrist, both one on one and group, 2-3 times a week from the time I left home at 18 until I was about 22. Not long after that, happiness pills really hit the scene, and my doctor tried to put me on them. Luckily (or not) the only thing that happened was 1. I started hallucinating, and 2. my libido completely disappeared. So I quit them and went back to therapy.
I suppose I could count the little green pills I've had forever that make me pay attention as happiness pills too, but I actually do find them a useful tool and I implement them when it benefits me, or if it sounds fun.
Re:OP. If you want to discuss a particular definition, clarify your terms when you start a thread. It's that easy.
Quote from: GA on October 08, 2009, 12:23:22 AM
I've been seeing this word a lot, "pills." By context, it sometimes seems to mean something like those neural skullcaps from The Tripods trilogy.
In my case, it means just what it says: Pills. Pills and pills and pills that sometimes interact with each other, and leave me sitting on the side of the road for 2 hours because my Jeep is full of snakes.
In other peoples' cases, it means food or teevee or church or talk radio.
But for me it's pills. Lovely little yellow bastards that make me all firm inside, so my guts don't slide out of my ass if I worry too much. Pills.
Quote from: Nigel on October 08, 2009, 02:09:43 AM
Quote from: Kai on October 08, 2009, 02:01:50 AM
^This^
But also, they blur in reality.
Yes! They do, and I wasn't even thinking of that. It's hard to tell sometimes where the metaphorical "pills" end and the literal pills begin.
It's an irrelevant distinction.
Quote from: JohNyx on October 08, 2009, 02:04:17 AM
Using pills as treatment is the "final solution" that psychiatrists tend to use. Psychiatrists are close buddies to behaviourists usually.
Why? Because they focus on the superficial symptoms, and not the underlying problems.
If you are depressed... what will you do?
a) Exercise, long walks (biological approach)
b) Take pills (psychiatrical approach)
c) Go to an amusement park or engage in thrill activities (behaviourist approach)
d) Deal with your fucking problems instead of avoiding them
As far as ive seen, its either answer B or C, because its non-interfering with your school/work efficiency and takes less time than D.
Because D is a big pot of chaos which people fear.
B and C are also very status quo related and wouldnt affect it, while D has the potential to do so, because it implies digging for reasons, coherence and context.
Yeah. Unless you take them because if you don't, your fucking heart will stop, and if you do, you get weird side effects.
But don't let that get in the way of your self-righteous judgement.
Prick.
I think making his focal interest the definition of pills was tongue in cheek...
And his real point being how people think that pills are "the Man's" way of keeping control over you :?
Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 08, 2009, 02:24:33 AM
Um, I think you mean 'behavioral therapy'.
Behaviorists followed a particular theory about human behavior, not therapy (well, Watson did some stuff on phobias). There aren't really a lot of Behaviorists around anymore either.
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They actually do therapy, its focused on... changing-what-you-do-so-you-do-better-in-life and goal oriented depending on what the patient says they desire to do... On the matter of how many are dedicated to this field, id say theres way more psychiatrists than behaviourists, but not what percentage are behaviourists...
Quote from: Nigel on October 08, 2009, 02:26:59 AM
I suppose I could count the little green pills I've had forever that make me pay attention as happiness pills too, but I actually do find them a useful tool and I implement them when it benefits me, or if it sounds fun.
I personally find it fine to use sleeping pills and for unfixable neurological problems... i sometimes take sleeping pills, when im under pressure, i have a tendency to not be able to sleep... i could take anti-depression pills and be all jiddy all the time, but id rather have a bit of misery in my life so i have some incentive to change it... (of course, if you are suicidally depressed, thats not a good idea)
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 08, 2009, 04:08:49 AM
Yeah. Unless you take them because if you don't, your fucking heart will stop, and if you do, you get weird side effects.
But don't let that get in the way of your self-righteous judgement.
Prick.
Well, you are talking about somatic oriented pills, i was speaking of psychological oriented ones.
Sorry if i came along as "we should not depend on medicine".
Like, depression is that sort of thing that you can live with it, because its just a symptom of
usually discomfort with your life. Treating just the symptom works against you in the long-term... For example, when you get the flu, you get symptoms... so if you take pills that kill the symptoms and make you feel ok, then you can go out on about your day as normally, but that will make you more sick, because you are not taking care of your disease.
Then theres diseases that you cannot fix thru personal effort, and you have to depend on medicine. But theres a ton of self prescription going on nowadays that isnt really needed.
Quote from: JohNyx on October 08, 2009, 04:18:49 AM
Well, you are talking about somatic oriented pills, i was speaking of psychological oriented ones.
I fail to see a difference. One treats a heart condition, and one treats a brain condition. You aren't one of those guys who tells depressed people to "just cheer up", are you?
Quote from: JohNyx on October 08, 2009, 04:18:49 AM
Like, depression is that sort of thing that you can live with it, because its just a symptom of usually discomfort with your life.
Really? Because as I understand it, it's usually chemically driven. I mean, I might be wrong, but you don't think it might have occurred to those with chronic depression that they could just smile, fart rainbows, and fix whatever is bugging them?
Quote from: GA on October 08, 2009, 12:23:22 AM
If #3 is the case, I predict confusion and suffering when discussing issues relating to psychology, especially abnormal psychology.
Wait. Who the fuck is talking about psychology? We're talking about reality. What you put up with, and why.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 08, 2009, 04:22:41 AM
Really? Because as I understand it, it's usually chemically driven. I mean, I might be wrong, but you don't think it might have occurred to those with chronic depression that they could just smile, fart rainbows, and fix whatever is bugging them?
The deal with brain "disorders" is that they have mixed causalities. Sure, chemicals play part of its state, but its also about your day to day and previous experiences.
Arguing from the opposite angle: is your happiness only measured by the serotonin your brain creates? and even if it is, does the creation of serotonin just follow biological cycles, or can it be produced by "joyfull activities" ?=
And as i said previously, theres some impairments that are "no return points" that you just have to depend on said pills and you cant do much about it.
There are no behaviorists of any kind any more. Its a dead school of thought. Even Pinker (whose still kicking apparently) admits he was wrong, he wrote in his book that new research techniques allow for a broader field of study than was thought possible, killing one of the core concepts of behaviorism.
And please stop fucking calling behavioral therapists 'behaviorists' I know the word is similar, but they have little to do with each other. Its like calling a surgeon a pharmacologist.
If depression is chemically driven it will be accompanied by other issues like problems with anger control, which uses the same chemical.
Quote from: JohNyx on October 08, 2009, 04:34:19 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 08, 2009, 04:22:41 AM
Really? Because as I understand it, it's usually chemically driven. I mean, I might be wrong, but you don't think it might have occurred to those with chronic depression that they could just smile, fart rainbows, and fix whatever is bugging them?
The deal with brain "disorders" is that they have mixed causalities. Sure, chemicals play part of its state, but its also about your day to day and previous experiences.
Arguing from the opposite angle: is your happiness only measured by the serotonin your brain creates? and even if it is, does the creation of serotonin just follow biological cycles, or can it be produced by "joyfull activities" ?=
And as i said previously, theres some impairments that are "no return points" that you just have to depend on said pills and you cant do much about it.
Also true with your heart not going. If you eat fatty food, smoke cigarettes, don't get enough exercise etc. you are way more likely to have a heart attack. Doesn't mean you'll be just fine if you start eating healthy and getting exercise afterwards though.
I'm with Nigel on the happy pills though, they made it so I didn't want to kill myself, but I didn't want to do anything else either.
Look, this is my 2nd language, so bear with me. And i didnt know of behavioralism before now, i meant behaviorism. And im curious, other than Pinker, who admits it as such, i find it to be still thriving.
And yea, depression can be either fully biological, fully psychological, or with part causality of both.
Quote from: JohNyx on October 08, 2009, 04:34:19 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 08, 2009, 04:22:41 AM
Really? Because as I understand it, it's usually chemically driven. I mean, I might be wrong, but you don't think it might have occurred to those with chronic depression that they could just smile, fart rainbows, and fix whatever is bugging them?
The deal with brain "disorders" is that they have mixed causalities. Sure, chemicals play part of its state, but its also about your day to day and previous experiences.
Arguing from the opposite angle: is your happiness only measured by the serotonin your brain creates? and even if it is, does the creation of serotonin just follow biological cycles, or can it be produced by "joyfull activities" ?=
And as i said previously, theres some impairments that are "no return points" that you just have to depend on said pills and you cant do much about it.
See, this is where the problem lies: Psychiatrists believe that pills fix everything, and psychologists just think you want to fuck your mother.
Both are wrong.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 08, 2009, 04:45:35 AM
See, this is where the problem lies: Psychiatrists believe that pills fix everything, and psychologists just think you want to fuck your mother.
Both are wrong.
Only for boys, for girls Freud thought they believed that their dad had castrated them. :lulz:
Quote from: JohNyx on October 08, 2009, 04:45:19 AM
Look, this is my 2nd language, so bear with me. And i didnt know of behavioralism before now, i meant behaviorism. And im curious, other than Pinker, who admits it as such, i find it to be still thriving.
If I mentioned behavioralism it was a typo, thats a nonsense word. :?
Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 08, 2009, 04:47:51 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 08, 2009, 04:45:35 AM
See, this is where the problem lies: Psychiatrists believe that pills fix everything, and psychologists just think you want to fuck your mother.
Both are wrong.
Only for boys, for girls Freud that they believed that there dad had castrated them. :lulz:
Point. Then there's the mouse killers and the gestalt weirdos. There has been precisely ONE (1) useful advance in psychology in the last 100 years, IMO. All the rest is ghoulish shit like abnormal psychology and other navel lint gathering.
There's some interesting work going on in group psychology that I'm kinda following, but since it isn't a hard science, everyone and their grandmother has to kibbitz, so they'll probably fuck it up.
I dont think that dealing with your "issues" solves everything, but that it can help specifically speaking depression.
My only point is that certain problems that are psychosomatic tend to be treated merely somatically while ignoring the psychic part of it.
For example, cancer is almost completely a somatic disease, which is dealt with chemo and all that good stuff, but if you just psychically feel beaten down and lose hope, thats gonna affect your chances of surviving too by a small percentage.
Quote from: JohNyx on October 08, 2009, 04:52:47 AM
I dont think that dealing with your "issues" solves everything, but that it can help specifically speaking depression.
My only point is that certain problems that are psychosomatic tend to be treated merely somatically while ignoring the psychic part of it.
For example, cancer is almost completely a somatic disease, which is dealt with chemo and all that good stuff, but if you just psychically feel beaten down and lose hope, thats gonna affect your chances of surviving too by a small percentage.
Anecdotally speaking, it has a HUGE effect.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 08, 2009, 04:51:15 AM
If I mentioned behavioralism it was a typo, thats a nonsense word. :?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioralism
I have no idea, but it does exist.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 08, 2009, 04:52:19 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 08, 2009, 04:47:51 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 08, 2009, 04:45:35 AM
See, this is where the problem lies: Psychiatrists believe that pills fix everything, and psychologists just think you want to fuck your mother.
Both are wrong.
Only for boys, for girls Freud that they believed that there dad had castrated them. :lulz:
Point. Then there's the mouse killers and the gestalt weirdos. There has been precisely ONE (1) useful advance in psychology in the last 100 years, IMO. All the rest is ghoulish shit like abnormal psychology and other navel lint gathering.
There's some interesting work going on in group psychology that I'm kinda following, but since it isn't a hard science, everyone and their grandmother has to kibbitz, so they'll probably fuck it up.
Check out the persuasion psych stuff. Very useful.
Quote from: JohNyx on October 08, 2009, 04:54:40 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 08, 2009, 04:51:15 AM
If I mentioned behavioralism it was a typo, thats a nonsense word. :?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioralism
I have no idea, but it does exist.
OK nonsense with respect to psychology, the Poly Sci people took the word instead.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 08, 2009, 04:59:41 AM
Check out the persuasion psych stuff. Very useful.
Blarg. Leary's 8 circuit model is the basis behind all of that shit, IMO. There's a reason its taught in marketing and MBA programs, and not in psychology classes, you know.
The professor of the attitudes and persuasion class I'm scheduled to take next near will be very disappointed to hear that.
Quote from: LMNO on October 08, 2009, 03:47:41 AM
Re:OP. If you want to discuss a particular definition, clarify your terms when you start a thread. It's that easy.
I got the discussion I wanted. I just didn't want the whole Spider thing to end up with "anti-psychotics/depressnts are how they control you" as one of its core components - it seemed like there was a risk of that happening.
Every now and then I bump into a person who has some kind of idea that taking psychoactive medications is a cop-out to solve a real problem - or worse, that they are primarily a method of control to reign in deviants. (Especially amusing are the people who take the control position, but then advocate self-medication with the whole spectrum of illegal drugs. It's like arguing that abortion is murder, unless the woman was raped.)
The "pills are a form of social control" guys often end up with slogans like "Live free or die" where "free" means "without having to take dem pills." I know a guy who doesn't take medicines, period. Luckily he hasn't gotten a serious infection since he started that policy (he's in peak physical condition, that probably helps). Like taking medications are a sign of weakness, or something.
And then there's this notion that taking pills that affect your mind destroys who you are, at least temporarily. Anything you do or think or observe or consume changes you - pills are no different than anything else in this regard. Sometimes this is coupled with a naturalistic notion that the original "you" is the best - so if you can't listen to someone talking for more than 30 seconds at a go without finding something else to do, thats just who you are and any attempt to change that is stifling your personality. Ditto for falling into a completely irrational descending spiral of panicked thinking at any unexpected event, or being unable to hang out in moderately crowded areas because of all the conversations pressing in on you, or just feeling generally :| all the time, :| when your gerbil dies, :| when you're eating dinner with your family, :kingmeh: whenever you actually accomplish something, which is getting less and less frequent because really what's the point of working hard for a lame ol' :kingmeh: moment?
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Quote from: GA on October 08, 2009, 05:36:02 AM
Every now and then I bump into a person who has some kind of idea that taking psychoactive medications is a cop-out to solve a real problem - or worse, that they are primarily a method of control to reign in deviants. (Especially amusing are the people who take the control position, but then advocate self-medication with the whole spectrum of illegal drugs. It's like arguing that abortion is murder, unless the woman was raped.)
When I run into these people, I want to kick them in the face. I'm not on meds for the lulz or because I don't want to deal with underlying issue or for any of those fucking reasons. I'm on them because I HAVE TO BE unless I want my brain chemistry to be irreversibly fucked up before I'm thirty. Also, having the horrible, soul-crushing depressions reduced to simple misery is nice. I want to kill myself much less this way.
I used to wonder why people who had depression couldn't just find some way of getting happy. I didn't judge people so much as just not understand how it feels, and it's a lot more than a case of the sads. This much I have discovered.
Thanks to 'pills' I'm able to not feel like killing myself and/or my baby anymore.
Hopefully, my need for medication will pass, but if not, so be it.
Quote from: JohNyx on October 08, 2009, 04:18:49 AM
Like, depression is that sort of thing that you can live with it, because its just a symptom of usually discomfort with your life. Treating just the symptom works against you in the long-term... For example, when you get the flu, you get symptoms... so if you take pills that kill the symptoms and make you feel ok, then you can go out on about your day as normally, but that will make you more sick, because you are not taking care of your disease.
Sorry but I gotta correct this. Either you don't have experience with what you're talking about or you got the wrong idea somehow.
Depression is a real disorder that is different from unhappiness or "usual discomfort". If you pay attention to what psychiatrists ask when diagnosing depression, invariably one of the questions asked will be "tell me about the last thing / event you experienced that you
really enjoyed". This is one of the tell-tale signs of depression. You simply cannot feel enjoyment about anything anymore. If you still can, it's not depression but something else.
I'm nto saying that you always need pills in that case, but sometimes they help. They can level the emotional rollercoaster a littlebit, or stimulate enjoyment (about things that normally would be enjoyable, such as an evening with friends, remember these things inhibit the breaking down of serotonine, they don't produce serotonine, if they did they would be addictive--or somewhat like XTC I suppose), and this allows you the headspace to indeed deal with your problems. Always combine these meds with therapy or some kind of personal improvement plan. (well there's people that have a depressive disorder, naturally make less serotonin, but that's a from-birth thing, and they are an exception).
QuoteThen theres diseases that you cannot fix thru personal effort, and you have to depend on medicine. But theres a ton of self prescription going on nowadays that isnt really needed.
I don't think you can self-prescribe SSRIs, not even in the US.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 08, 2009, 04:59:41 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on October 08, 2009, 04:54:40 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 08, 2009, 04:51:15 AM
If I mentioned behavioralism it was a typo, thats a nonsense word. :?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioralism
I have no idea, but it does exist.
OK nonsense with respect to psychology, the Poly Sci people took the word instead.
No-one on this side of the fence likes it much, either. Oh, it had its heyday in the 60s and early 70s, when RAND was all pumped up on game theory and the like, but political philosophy and policy studies undermined it until it could be put back in a box, where it belonged.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 08, 2009, 03:49:49 AMIn my case, it means just what it says: Pills. Pills and pills and pills that sometimes interact with each other, and leave me sitting on the side of the road for 2 hours because my Jeep is full of snakes.
did you talk to your doctor about these side effects? the first few times you mentioned this I was assuming some metaphor / creative writing. but if you really get hallucinations from these meds, that's not right. especially not while driving. your heart pills shouldnt be making you hallucinate, and there are (probably?) enough slightly different meds out there that may work better for you? on the other hand, I assume you know and you did ask. I just wondered.
"Pills" is simply a generic, casual reference to prescription drugs, whether they be for a mental disorder, cancer, heart disease, acid reflux, whatever.
There is this thing that some kids do where they will snag random medications from friends, family, etc., dump them all in a bowl and pop them like they are skittles. Pill Party. Also called Pharm Parties, or fish bowling.
And speaking as a brother of someone who has depression in a bad way, I can safely say that JohNyx is full of shit! My brother if finally to the point where he can actually function in public. He's going back to college. And it is because of the "pills" AND the therapy that he is able to do so. But before they had the medication regimen sorted out, no amount of therapy in the world was helping him.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 08, 2009, 04:36:07 AM
There are no behaviorists of any kind any more. Its a dead school of thought. Even Pinker (whose still kicking apparently) admits he was wrong, he wrote in his book that new research techniques allow for a broader field of study than was thought possible, killing one of the core concepts of behaviorism.
They're lying. It works just fine.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 08, 2009, 05:05:04 AM
The professor of the attitudes and persuasion class I'm scheduled to take next near will be very disappointed to hear that.
Yeah, might hurt textbook sales.
Quote from: Aliantha on October 08, 2009, 06:56:41 AM
I used to wonder why people who had depression couldn't just find some way of getting happy. I didn't judge people so much as just not understand how it feels, and it's a lot more than a case of the sads. This much I have discovered.
Thanks to 'pills' I'm able to not feel like killing myself and/or my baby anymore.
Hopefully, my need for medication will pass, but if not, so be it.
Pills aren't good or bad, Aliantha. The means by which they are prescribed can be good or bad. At least for the "literal" pills.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 08, 2009, 10:48:10 AM
There is this thing that some kids do where they will snag random medications from friends, family, etc., dump them all in a bowl and pop them like they are skittles. Pill Party. Also called Pharm Parties, or fish bowling.
:lulz: Sorry, but my bullshit meter is pegging. It sounds like the big scare over Sex Bracelets (http://www.snopes.com/risque/school/bracelet.asp) a couple years ago. Or, you know, jenkem.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on October 08, 2009, 04:47:01 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 08, 2009, 10:48:10 AM
There is this thing that some kids do where they will snag random medications from friends, family, etc., dump them all in a bowl and pop them like they are skittles. Pill Party. Also called Pharm Parties, or fish bowling.
:lulz: Sorry, but my bullshit meter is pegging. It sounds like the big scare over Sex Bracelets (http://www.snopes.com/risque/school/bracelet.asp) a couple years ago. Or, you know, jenkem.
I get this info from first hand accounts from police, parents, and kids themselves. Are they all making it up?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 08, 2009, 04:49:11 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on October 08, 2009, 04:47:01 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 08, 2009, 10:48:10 AM
There is this thing that some kids do where they will snag random medications from friends, family, etc., dump them all in a bowl and pop them like they are skittles. Pill Party. Also called Pharm Parties, or fish bowling.
:lulz: Sorry, but my bullshit meter is pegging. It sounds like the big scare over Sex Bracelets (http://www.snopes.com/risque/school/bracelet.asp) a couple years ago. Or, you know, jenkem.
I get this info from first hand accounts from police, parents, and kids themselves. Are they all making it up?
Send the info to this guy (http://www.slate.com/id/2187384/) as he's been able to find no evidence that it's anything more than a hoax. Also fish bowling (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fish%20bowling) seems to be a phrase not connected with this.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 08, 2009, 04:49:11 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on October 08, 2009, 04:47:01 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 08, 2009, 10:48:10 AM
There is this thing that some kids do where they will snag random medications from friends, family, etc., dump them all in a bowl and pop them like they are skittles. Pill Party. Also called Pharm Parties, or fish bowling.
:lulz: Sorry, but my bullshit meter is pegging. It sounds like the big scare over Sex Bracelets (http://www.snopes.com/risque/school/bracelet.asp) a couple years ago. Or, you know, jenkem.
I get this info from first hand accounts from police, parents, and kids themselves. Are they all making it up?
Dunno. I DO remember the Satanist scares of the 80s and early 90s. There were loads of first hand accounts, and they were universally bullshit.
This, though, this sounds like something monkeys actually WOULD do.
Can't be any stupider than huffing Scotch Guard....
Quote from: LMNO on October 08, 2009, 04:55:56 PM
Can't be any stupider than huffing Scotch Guard....
WHAT?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 08, 2009, 04:49:11 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on October 08, 2009, 04:47:01 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 08, 2009, 10:48:10 AM
There is this thing that some kids do where they will snag random medications from friends, family, etc., dump them all in a bowl and pop them like they are skittles. Pill Party. Also called Pharm Parties, or fish bowling.
:lulz: Sorry, but my bullshit meter is pegging. It sounds like the big scare over Sex Bracelets (http://www.snopes.com/risque/school/bracelet.asp) a couple years ago. Or, you know, jenkem.
I get this info from first hand accounts from police, parents, and kids themselves. Are they all making it up?
I tried to find info about this in the past, and generally ran into either Anti-Drug groups touting it, or researchers claiming it doesn't exist. I don't personally know anyone that has had any experience with such parties... which may just mean they're not popular in Ohio... dunno.
I found this in Slate on a quick Google search:
http://www.slate.com/id/2187384/
Of course, the fact that the media isn't covering it means it isn't happening. Nevermind. I'm not having this debate today.
AIRPLANE GLUE OR GTFO.
Still doesn't beat the girls that chewed mothballs to get high. They were chomping them even while they were in the hospital for some mysterious illness.
:horrormirth:
FWIW: http://www.connectwithkids.com/tipsheet/2005/250_oct12/party.html
seems this isn't what this thread's about anymore, but i took pills to represent any external "fix" for any particular problem. external as opposed to internal.
good or bad doesn't really change whether a fix is a fix or not. not being able to fix your own problems can hurt your pride a bit i suppose and could be construed as bad.
Huh. While I've personally never heard of such a thing and it does sound kinda scare tactic-y, I don't don't that this might happen sometimes as it sounds like something stupid kids would do. Maybe I don't know enough junkies and/or dumb kids, but the people I know who do take pills sometimes prefer to know what they're taking rather than grabbing a handful and seeing what happens. That and well, there's money to made on certain pills rather than throwing them in for a community free-for-all. But, again - dumb kids.
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on October 08, 2009, 05:52:55 PM
Huh. While I've personally never heard of such a thing and it does sound kinda scare tactic-y, I don't don't that this might happen sometimes as it sounds like something stupid kids would do. Maybe I don't know enough junkies and/or dumb kids, but the people I know who do take pills sometimes prefer to know what they're taking rather than grabbing a handful and seeing what happens. That and well, there's money to made on certain pills rather than throwing them in for a community free-for-all. But, again - dumb kids.
I agree... it seems possible, but I don't see much evidence that its popular, or common. But, hell, given the behaviors I have seen... this sort of thing wouldn't surprise me. Also given the bullshit I've seen from the War on Some Drugs, I wouldn't be surprised if it were fiction.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 08, 2009, 05:12:53 PM
FWIW: http://www.connectwithkids.com/tipsheet/2005/250_oct12/party.html
That link states such parties exist, but provides no evidence. The quotes from teenagers basically say that they took prescription drugs and shared some with their friends, at parties. That's wildly different from mixing up random pills in a bowl and popping them like smarties. The former seems to be a real and pressing concern, the latter doesn't.
But moreover - if "pharm parties" are just another media invention, then stating them as fact seems likely to only inspire copy-cat incidences?
Mind you, I don't suppose that danger is high as market forces - the limited supply kids have to prescription drugs, and the different desirability of different drugs - makes it unlikely they'd just give away their stash anyway.
Quote from: rong on October 08, 2009, 05:50:34 PM
seems this isn't what this thread's about anymore, but i took pills to represent any external "fix" for any particular problem. external as opposed to internal.
good or bad doesn't really change whether a fix is a fix or not. not being able to fix your own problems can hurt your pride a bit i suppose and could be construed as bad.
Sometimes they're a fix. Sometimes they're just
what you need. Sleep. A hard dick. A sexy new car. A vicarious fun, young life delivered via TV. You can tell by the drug commercials...everyone's good looking, in a middle age way, and they're all so
happy and affectionate to each other. You need this. Yes. Yes, you do.
My bad. This thread is now about whether or not kids eat pills like Cheetohs at parties.
Sorry about that.
TGRR,
Off to smoke some banana peels.
No, I've started another thread for this discussion. Please let's take it there and drop the conversation in this thread. Sorry, it was not my intention for it to become a threadjack. Feel free to split off those posts into the new thread.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 08, 2009, 06:02:47 PM
Quote from: rong on October 08, 2009, 05:50:34 PM
seems this isn't what this thread's about anymore, but i took pills to represent any external "fix" for any particular problem. external as opposed to internal.
good or bad doesn't really change whether a fix is a fix or not. not being able to fix your own problems can hurt your pride a bit i suppose and could be construed as bad.
Sometimes they're a fix. Sometimes they're just what you need. Sleep. A hard dick. A sexy new car. A vicarious fun, young life delivered via TV. You can tell by the drug commercials...everyone's good looking, in a middle age way, and they're all so happy and affectionate to each other. You need this. Yes. Yes, you do.
Anything that keep you passive... receptive... quiet.
Quote from: LMNO on October 08, 2009, 07:52:18 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 08, 2009, 06:02:47 PM
Quote from: rong on October 08, 2009, 05:50:34 PM
seems this isn't what this thread's about anymore, but i took pills to represent any external "fix" for any particular problem. external as opposed to internal.
good or bad doesn't really change whether a fix is a fix or not. not being able to fix your own problems can hurt your pride a bit i suppose and could be construed as bad.
Sometimes they're a fix. Sometimes they're just what you need. Sleep. A hard dick. A sexy new car. A vicarious fun, young life delivered via TV. You can tell by the drug commercials...everyone's good looking, in a middle age way, and they're all so happy and affectionate to each other. You need this. Yes. Yes, you do.
Anything that keep you passive... receptive... quiet.
...and yet
productive!
Well, we don't want no SLACKERS!
Quote from: LMNO on October 08, 2009, 08:05:39 PM
Well, we don't want no SLACKERS!
Pills to sleep, coffee to wake up, booze to "relax", all transforming into a hideous speedball that can only be lessened by obesience to the nicotine gods.
We'll all die on the toilet, like Elvis.
Don't forget apathetic masturbation.
Quote from: LMNO on October 08, 2009, 08:11:23 PM
Don't forget apathetic masturbation.
Oh. Thought that was a given.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 08, 2009, 08:08:11 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 08, 2009, 08:05:39 PM
Well, we don't want no SLACKERS!
Pills to sleep, coffee to wake up, booze to "relax", all transforming into a hideous speedball that can only be lessened by obesience to the nicotine gods.
We'll all die on the toilet, like Elvis.
like THE KING!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 08, 2009, 03:50:32 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 08, 2009, 02:09:43 AM
Quote from: Kai on October 08, 2009, 02:01:50 AM
^This^
But also, they blur in reality.
Yes! They do, and I wasn't even thinking of that. It's hard to tell sometimes where the metaphorical "pills" end and the literal pills begin.
It's an irrelevant distinction.
I think it's irrelevant for the sake of this discussion, because in writing it kind of doesn't matter whether the pills are literal or metaphorical. However, in real life, in specific situations, it is quite a relevant distinction, because metaphorical pills won't keep your heart beating. What I was musing on was cases where, in real life, the boundaries are blurred... not as with you, but as with certain types of happiness pills. I was on happiness pills for OCD for a while a couple of years ago (and a damn good thing) but that particular OCD episode was triggered by something I saw on the internet. Which pill is which? Sometimes it's hard to tell. Metaphorically speaking. Or maybe I'm just out of my nut.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 08, 2009, 04:22:41 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on October 08, 2009, 04:18:49 AM
Well, you are talking about somatic oriented pills, i was speaking of psychological oriented ones.
I fail to see a difference. One treats a heart condition, and one treats a brain condition. You aren't one of those guys who tells depressed people to "just cheer up", are you?
Quote from: JohNyx on October 08, 2009, 04:18:49 AM
Like, depression is that sort of thing that you can live with it, because its just a symptom of usually discomfort with your life.
Really? Because as I understand it, it's usually chemically driven. I mean, I might be wrong, but you don't think it might have occurred to those with chronic depression that they could just smile, fart rainbows, and fix whatever is bugging them?
No one is really sure whether the chemical imbalance is a cause or an effect of depression. IMO most depression is a natural and normal response to an unnatural and abnormal environment, rather than the result of a faulty brain, which is why there is so much of it.
Quote from: Aliantha on October 08, 2009, 06:56:41 AM
I used to wonder why people who had depression couldn't just find some way of getting happy. I didn't judge people so much as just not understand how it feels, and it's a lot more than a case of the sads. This much I have discovered.
Thanks to 'pills' I'm able to not feel like killing myself and/or my baby anymore.
Hopefully, my need for medication will pass, but if not, so be it.
Aliantha! Good to see you here.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 08, 2009, 10:48:10 AM
"Pills" is simply a generic, casual reference to prescription drugs, whether they be for a mental disorder, cancer, heart disease, acid reflux, whatever.
There is this thing that some kids do where they will snag random medications from friends, family, etc., dump them all in a bowl and pop them like they are skittles. Pill Party. Also called Pharm Parties, or fish bowling.
And speaking as a brother of someone who has depression in a bad way, I can safely say that JohNyx is full of shit! My brother if finally to the point where he can actually function in public. He's going back to college. And it is because of the "pills" AND the therapy that he is able to do so. But before they had the medication regimen sorted out, no amount of therapy in the world was helping him.
Wait, you're in favor of mind altering drugs? That make you happy?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 08, 2009, 04:46:20 PM
Quote from: Aliantha on October 08, 2009, 06:56:41 AM
I used to wonder why people who had depression couldn't just find some way of getting happy. I didn't judge people so much as just not understand how it feels, and it's a lot more than a case of the sads. This much I have discovered.
Thanks to 'pills' I'm able to not feel like killing myself and/or my baby anymore.
Hopefully, my need for medication will pass, but if not, so be it.
Pills aren't good or bad, Aliantha. The means by which they are prescribed can be good or bad. At least for the "literal" pills.
This.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 08, 2009, 09:18:27 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 08, 2009, 10:48:10 AM
"Pills" is simply a generic, casual reference to prescription drugs, whether they be for a mental disorder, cancer, heart disease, acid reflux, whatever.
There is this thing that some kids do where they will snag random medications from friends, family, etc., dump them all in a bowl and pop them like they are skittles. Pill Party. Also called Pharm Parties, or fish bowling.
And speaking as a brother of someone who has depression in a bad way, I can safely say that JohNyx is full of shit! My brother if finally to the point where he can actually function in public. He's going back to college. And it is because of the "pills" AND the therapy that he is able to do so. But before they had the medication regimen sorted out, no amount of therapy in the world was helping him.
Wait, you're in favor of mind altering drugs? That make you happy?
This isn't going to happen in this thread. This thread is not about that.
Quote from: Nigel on October 08, 2009, 09:12:45 PM
No one is really sure whether the chemical imbalance is a cause or an effect of depression. IMO most depression is a natural and normal response to an unnatural and abnormal environment, rather than the result of a faulty brain, which is why there is so much of it.
this is how i have always viewed it, as a chicken egg thing, a head full of bad/depressed thoughts repeating them self's endlessly will effect chemistry - a brain full of chemistry can cause bad/depressed thoughts
i personally don't like the types of drugs they give for depression the new gen lithium/prosac, they lobotomize the frontal lobe, its like putting a fast moving car in first gear the engine revs and gears grind, its not a good feeling i would rather have a normal functioning mind and fight off or deal with depressing thoughts on my own (this is not best for everyone..or in any way reasonable medical advice)
I also think that depression tends to be an addictive cycle, in and of itself... when I was depressed (and had anxiety issues so extreme that my first husband tried to have me committed... big fun) I actually noticed that I would get out of it and be OK for a while, and even feel physically different, but when something came along that got me down it was almost SEDUCTIVE... the chemistry of depression, for me, almost felt good, while I was courting it. I became convinced that I was physically addicted to my own chemistry changes, and the result was depression-seeking behavior. I can monitor myself for this, and when I notice it I am able to force myself to break that cycle and avoid going into a bad spiral.
Unfortunately, my best writing occurs during bad spirals. I try to limit them to just one night, if I let them happen, and couple them with intense creative productivity in order to maintain a sense of self-worth. And then take a few days to recover.
My little brother put a shotgun in his mouth one night during a bad spiral, so they scare me. My crazy, pretty little poet-soldier would have been 35 this year. If pills could have saved him...
Quote from: fomenter on October 08, 2009, 09:38:03 PM
i personally don't like the types of drugs they give for depression the new gen lithium/prosac, they lobotomize the frontal lobe, its like putting a fast moving car in first gear the engine revs and gears grind, its not a good feeling i would rather have a normal functioning mind and fight off or deal with depressing thoughts on my own (this is not best for everyone..or in any way reasonable medical advice)
I don't feel that way about Prozac, I just don't like the effect it has on my libido. However, I don't take it for depression, I take it when the bugs in my house are keeping me from sleeping.
i would be surprised if these things effected everyone the same way, to me it is awful but i wouldn't advocate not taking needed drugs to anyone ..get real medical help deciding what is best
sorry to hear about your brother..
Thanks. It was almost 12 years ago now, so it's not quite so raw.
I'm feeling as if I've been getting a little too real here lately, maybe I need to bring in a little more Nigel facade.
Quote from: Nigel on October 08, 2009, 11:47:16 PM
I also think that depression tends to be an addictive cycle, in and of itself... when I was depressed (and had anxiety issues so extreme that my first husband tried to have me committed... big fun) I actually noticed that I would get out of it and be OK for a while, and even feel physically different, but when something came along that got me down it was almost SEDUCTIVE... the chemistry of depression, for me, almost felt good, while I was courting it. I became convinced that I was physically addicted to my own chemistry changes, and the result was depression-seeking behavior. I can monitor myself for this, and when I notice it I am able to force myself to break that cycle and avoid going into a bad spiral.
I've never seen anyone worded that so perfectly. The bout of depression I had a little over 10 years ago was very mild compared to most other people but you are right when you say that you can feel it physically. Once I got my chemical imbalances worked out I could tell there was a major difference. It's impossible for me to put into words but I almost missed the depression. I kept expect it to be there, sorta like when you are going up a flight of stairs in the dark and keep trying to go up after you've reached the top. You step for it and hit nothing but thin air. It took me several years to get over that.
Quote from: fomenter on October 08, 2009, 09:38:03 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 08, 2009, 09:12:45 PM
No one is really sure whether the chemical imbalance is a cause or an effect of depression. IMO most depression is a natural and normal response to an unnatural and abnormal environment, rather than the result of a faulty brain, which is why there is so much of it.
this is how i have always viewed it, as a chicken egg thing, a head full of bad/depressed thoughts repeating them self's endlessly will effect chemistry - a brain full of chemistry can cause bad/depressed thoughts
i personally don't like the types of drugs they give for depression the new gen lithium/prosac, they lobotomize the frontal lobe, its like putting a fast moving car in first gear the engine revs and gears grind, its not a good feeling i would rather have a normal functioning mind and fight off or deal with depressing thoughts on my own (this is not best for everyone..or in any way reasonable medical advice)
The time I went on pills (effectsor or something) it had a really bad side-effects: I stopped dreaming completely, I wasn't really feeling much of anything but the really nasty thing was that it took away the fear of death but not the death urge. The only times I have tried to kill myself were when was those pills, and I came damn close too...
I've just started riding out the lows and I perk up eventually.
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on October 09, 2009, 01:14:21 AM
The time I went on pills (effectsor or something) it had a really bad side-effects: I stopped dreaming completely, I wasn't really feeling much of anything but the really nasty thing was that it took away the fear of death but not the death urge. The only times I have tried to kill myself were when was those pills, and I came damn close too...
I've just started riding out the lows and I perk up eventually.
oh, Efexor. nasty shit. is among the worst when it comes to side effects and withdrawal effects (of regular SSRI/SNRIs, some heavy anti psychotics etc are worse).
I use it. Efexor 75XR. Works wonders for me. Took a bite out of my libido as well though :( [but I had some to spare, anyway]. Glad I never had the suicidal thoughts and shit. Only nausea and brainzaps whenever I forget to take them (srsly, after one day already). I don't plan on using them all my life though, just while I got some shit to sort out.
please to describe brainzap?
tricky. sorry it's something that happens in your head, like a jolt or electric shock, but not really, it can also be a sensation like a sound (that you think you hear) or real sudden vertigo, but it's really short. you know kind of like how you can lie in bed and sometimes you are just falling asleep and then your leg or arm just jerks randomly? like that but in your brain.
i suppose it's real personal or different for everyone, I didnt know it had a name, until I happened to come across it while looking up the side effects of the shit on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_zaps#.22Brain_zaps.22_and_.22electric_shock_sensations.22 ).
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 09, 2009, 09:20:24 PM
tricky. sorry it's something that happens in your head, like a jolt or electric shock, but not really, it can also be a sensation like a sound (that you think you hear) or real sudden vertigo, but it's really short. you know kind of like how you can lie in bed and sometimes you are just falling asleep and then your leg or arm just jerks randomly? like that but in your brain.
i suppose it's real personal or different for everyone, I didnt know it had a name, until I happened to come across it while looking up the side effects of the shit on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_zaps#.22Brain_zaps.22_and_.22electric_shock_sensations.22 ).
Jesus. I get that shit all the time. I thought everyone did.
Even without meds?
I just get it when my serotonin levels change, so when starting or stopping a therapy.
Also, knowing that it's just side effects, I think they're kind of funny sometimes (like, wheeee), I mean, as long as you don't actually have shit to do or have to operate heavy machinery of course.
Or maybe I just tell myself that to make up for the nausea. Which feels a lot like a hangover without the headache.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 09, 2009, 09:33:14 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 09, 2009, 09:30:56 PM
Even without meds?
For as long as I can remember.
:eek: MIND RAYS :eek:
no but seriously, I have no idea what that could be. maybe Nigel has an idea?
kind of reminds me of last weekend, I was in a deep discussion with my gf about the Machine / Corporations, and how call-centers are like their mouth pieces, but it shows they are not human, because the callcenter people have to follow scripts, so you talk to a Machine script and not a human--but I digress. Then she got a migraine. CO-INCIDENCE? No I think some alarm bell somewhere up there in the control room must have went off.
i think i get that too - although maybe not as severe. i always attributed it to alcoholism.
GASP! or maybe they're not severe because of the alcoholism
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 09, 2009, 09:58:21 PM
no but seriously, I have no idea what that could be. maybe Nigel has an idea?
Not really. Every once in a while I'll get something "zap" like, like something goes "BZZZZT!" in my brain and I'm all woken up in a weird way, but it's not typical. Although come to think of it, it does seem to only happen right at the beginning of getting auras, which are the perception changes/dizziness that happen right before a seizure. That particular sensation almost always precedes a strong sense of jamais-vu. Maybe TGRR's epileptic. :lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on October 09, 2009, 11:58:14 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 09, 2009, 09:58:21 PM
no but seriously, I have no idea what that could be. maybe Nigel has an idea?
Not really. Every once in a while I'll get something "zap" like, like something goes "BZZZZT!" in my brain and I'm all woken up in a weird way, but it's not typical. Although come to think of it, it does seem to only happen right at the beginning of getting auras, which are the perception changes/dizziness that happen right before a seizure. That particular sensation almost always precedes a strong sense of jamais-vu. Maybe TGRR's epileptic. :lulz:
Then throw me in the tub with the laundry.
TGRR,
Nothing if not useful.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 10, 2009, 12:02:53 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 09, 2009, 11:58:14 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 09, 2009, 09:58:21 PM
no but seriously, I have no idea what that could be. maybe Nigel has an idea?
Not really. Every once in a while I'll get something "zap" like, like something goes "BZZZZT!" in my brain and I'm all woken up in a weird way, but it's not typical. Although come to think of it, it does seem to only happen right at the beginning of getting auras, which are the perception changes/dizziness that happen right before a seizure. That particular sensation almost always precedes a strong sense of jamais-vu. Maybe TGRR's epileptic. :lulz:
Then throw me in the tub with the laundry.
TGRR,
Nothing if not useful.
You've always been a good agitator...
Quote from: fomenter on October 08, 2009, 09:38:03 PM
i personally don't like the types of drugs they give for depression the new gen lithium/prosac, they lobotomize the frontal lobe, its like putting a fast moving car in first gear the engine revs and gears grind, its not a good feeling i would rather have a normal functioning mind and fight off or deal with depressing thoughts on my own (this is not best for everyone..or in any way reasonable medical advice)
I really can't answer for prozac/zoloft, etc. (because new anti-d's are
very bad for me and I will never, ever take them again) personally, though I can say I've never noticed such effects in my friends and family, but I CAN tell you the old stuff sucks pretty bad. I've been given an old anti-d for insomnia called doxepin. This stuff will KNOCK YOU OUT faster and more thoroughly than anything else I've been given for it (including barbiturates). I try not to take it because I'm out of it the next day, too. Can you imagine living like that full time? Can you imagine slogging through life so fuzzy and goofy you can't actually do anything? I mean, it's a nice, pleasant goofiness, but I can't work or read or do anything useful for the entire next day.
But if I could take newer anti-d's without loosing my mind, I'd rather take them than stuff like doxepin.
Quote from: Nigel on October 10, 2009, 12:37:19 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 10, 2009, 12:02:53 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 09, 2009, 11:58:14 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 09, 2009, 09:58:21 PM
no but seriously, I have no idea what that could be. maybe Nigel has an idea?
Not really. Every once in a while I'll get something "zap" like, like something goes "BZZZZT!" in my brain and I'm all woken up in a weird way, but it's not typical. Although come to think of it, it does seem to only happen right at the beginning of getting auras, which are the perception changes/dizziness that happen right before a seizure. That particular sensation almost always precedes a strong sense of jamais-vu. Maybe TGRR's epileptic. :lulz:
Then throw me in the tub with the laundry.
TGRR,
Nothing if not useful.
You've always been a good agitator...
:crankey:
TGRR,
Just noticed that.
So without trying to piss off anyone... my experiences with the psych field have not been very useful.
My (now) ex-wife, for example, was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder and had a Chemical Imbalance. When I asked for details about these things, What Kind of Chemicals are out of balance? Which ones are causing this behavior? What is Borderline Personality Disorder? I got no useful answers, not even from the guy we were paying money to and who was diagnosing her.
He didn't do any blood work, or an MRI or anything besides talk to her, and yet he knew she had a 'chemical imbalance'. I mean, did he use a dowsing rod? I hear they're good at bomb detection, so maybe they can detect imbalances as well...
And the BPD diagnosis... it's apparently the "Dunno what else to call it, so take these meds" disease.
Oddly enough, once we got a divorce, she left the crazy religion and she was free to go play around and not feel tied to a relationship, all of her problems went away. I guess her chemicals got magically rebalanced.
I know some people that are on drugs and need them*. I know a lot of people that are on drugs and I must wonder if they, like my ex are eating pills instead of fixing their life. And I know some people that seem fine until they talk to their friends that say "OH, you have depression, you need to get on some medication to help that!!" One of my friends seems to think that any problem you have should be solved by a visit to the Dr for some pills, because he's on pills now and his life is just wonderful! (Except for all the times he complains to me about how much his life sucks... and how he has this problem or that problem in his work or relationships...) if that's fixed, I'll take lasagna.
* Sentence included to ensure that it is clear I am not talking about ALL mental diagnoses or ALL prescriptions etc.
You divorced Sjaantze? Aww, didn't know that man. Good to hear she's doing better, I suppose.
no his wife! from his brainwashed xtian days
OOooh! Hahahahaha, I thought when he said "crazy religion" he was talking about Discordianism hehehehe ... The other crazy religion :)