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[The Good Reverend Roger]

If #3 is the case, I predict confusion and suffering when discussing issues relating to psychology, especially abnormal psychology.

Wait.  Who the fuck is talking about psychology?  We're talking about reality.  What you put up with, and why. 

[The Johnny]

Really?  Because as I understand it, it's usually chemically driven.  I mean, I might be wrong, but you don't think it might have occurred to those with chronic depression that they could just smile, fart rainbows, and fix whatever is bugging them?  

The deal with brain "disorders" is that they have mixed causalities. Sure, chemicals play part of its state, but its also about your day to day and previous experiences.

Arguing from the opposite angle: is your happiness only measured by the serotonin your brain creates? and even if it is, does the creation of serotonin just follow biological cycles, or can it be produced by "joyfull activities" ?=

And as i said previously, theres some impairments that are "no return points" that you just have to depend on said pills and you cant do much about it.

[Requia ☣]

There are no behaviorists of any kind any more.  Its a dead school of thought.  Even Pinker (whose still kicking apparently) admits he was wrong, he wrote in his book that new research techniques allow for a broader field of study than was thought possible, killing one of the core concepts of behaviorism.

And please stop fucking calling behavioral therapists 'behaviorists' I know the word is similar, but they have little to do with each other.  Its like calling a  surgeon a pharmacologist.


If depression is chemically driven it will be accompanied by other issues like problems with anger control, which uses the same chemical.

[BabylonHoruv]

Really?  Because as I understand it, it's usually chemically driven.  I mean, I might be wrong, but you don't think it might have occurred to those with chronic depression that they could just smile, fart rainbows, and fix whatever is bugging them?  

The deal with brain "disorders" is that they have mixed causalities. Sure, chemicals play part of its state, but its also about your day to day and previous experiences.

Arguing from the opposite angle: is your happiness only measured by the serotonin your brain creates? and even if it is, does the creation of serotonin just follow biological cycles, or can it be produced by "joyfull activities" ?=

And as i said previously, theres some impairments that are "no return points" that you just have to depend on said pills and you cant do much about it.

Also true with your heart not going.  If you eat fatty food, smoke cigarettes, don't get enough exercise etc. you are way more likely to have a heart attack.  Doesn't mean you'll be just fine if you start eating healthy and getting exercise afterwards though.

I'm with Nigel on the happy pills though, they made it so I didn't want to kill myself, but I didn't want to do anything else either.

[The Johnny]

Look, this is my 2nd language, so bear with me. And i didnt know of behavioralism before now, i meant behaviorism. And im curious, other than Pinker, who admits it as such, i find it to be still thriving.

And yea, depression can be either fully biological, fully psychological, or with part causality of both.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Really?  Because as I understand it, it's usually chemically driven.  I mean, I might be wrong, but you don't think it might have occurred to those with chronic depression that they could just smile, fart rainbows, and fix whatever is bugging them?  

The deal with brain "disorders" is that they have mixed causalities. Sure, chemicals play part of its state, but its also about your day to day and previous experiences.

Arguing from the opposite angle: is your happiness only measured by the serotonin your brain creates? and even if it is, does the creation of serotonin just follow biological cycles, or can it be produced by "joyfull activities" ?=

And as i said previously, theres some impairments that are "no return points" that you just have to depend on said pills and you cant do much about it.

See, this is where the problem lies:  Psychiatrists believe that pills fix everything, and psychologists just think you want to fuck your mother.

Both are wrong.

[Requia ☣]

See, this is where the problem lies:  Psychiatrists believe that pills fix everything, and psychologists just think you want to fuck your mother.

Both are wrong.

Only for boys, for girls Freud thought they believed that their dad had castrated them.  

[Requia ☣]

Look, this is my 2nd language, so bear with me. And i didnt know of behavioralism before now, i meant behaviorism. And im curious, other than Pinker, who admits it as such, i find it to be still thriving.

If I mentioned behavioralism it was a typo, thats a nonsense word.   

[The Good Reverend Roger]

See, this is where the problem lies:  Psychiatrists believe that pills fix everything, and psychologists just think you want to fuck your mother.

Both are wrong.

Only for boys, for girls Freud that they believed that there dad had castrated them.   

Point.  Then there's the mouse killers and the gestalt weirdos.  There has been precisely ONE (1) useful advance in psychology in the last 100 years, IMO.  All the rest is ghoulish shit like abnormal psychology and other navel lint gathering.

There's some interesting work going on in group psychology that I'm kinda following, but since it isn't a hard science, everyone and their grandmother has to kibbitz, so they'll probably fuck it up.

[The Johnny]

I dont think that dealing with your "issues" solves everything, but that it can help specifically speaking depression.

My only point is that certain problems that are psychosomatic tend to be treated merely somatically while ignoring the psychic part of it.

For example, cancer is almost completely a somatic disease, which is dealt with chemo and all that good stuff, but if you just psychically feel beaten down and lose hope, thats gonna affect your chances of surviving too by a small percentage.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I dont think that dealing with your "issues" solves everything, but that it can help specifically speaking depression.

My only point is that certain problems that are psychosomatic tend to be treated merely somatically while ignoring the psychic part of it.

For example, cancer is almost completely a somatic disease, which is dealt with chemo and all that good stuff, but if you just psychically feel beaten down and lose hope, thats gonna affect your chances of surviving too by a small percentage.

Anecdotally speaking, it has a HUGE effect.

[The Johnny]

If I mentioned behavioralism it was a typo, thats a nonsense word.   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioralism

I have no idea, but it does exist.

[Requia ☣]

See, this is where the problem lies:  Psychiatrists believe that pills fix everything, and psychologists just think you want to fuck your mother.

Both are wrong.

Only for boys, for girls Freud that they believed that there dad had castrated them.   

Point.  Then there's the mouse killers and the gestalt weirdos.  There has been precisely ONE (1) useful advance in psychology in the last 100 years, IMO.  All the rest is ghoulish shit like abnormal psychology and other navel lint gathering.

There's some interesting work going on in group psychology that I'm kinda following, but since it isn't a hard science, everyone and their grandmother has to kibbitz, so they'll probably fuck it up.

Check out the persuasion psych stuff.  Very useful.

If I mentioned behavioralism it was a typo, thats a nonsense word.   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioralism

I have no idea, but it does exist.

OK nonsense with respect to psychology, the Poly Sci people took the word instead.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Check out the persuasion psych stuff.  Very useful.

Blarg.  Leary's 8 circuit model is the basis behind all of that shit, IMO.  There's a reason its taught in marketing and MBA programs, and not in psychology classes, you know.

[Requia ☣]

The professor of the attitudes and persuasion class I'm scheduled to take next near will be very disappointed to hear that.