Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Apple Talk => Topic started by: Salty on February 10, 2010, 06:50:09 PM

Title: So I gave up...
Post by: Salty on February 10, 2010, 06:50:09 PM
...teh herb.

Three things have inspired this:

1. My desire for employment that pays enough money for a car and an education (for it's own sake.).

2. A quote from TGRR (Rest his soul), "Makes me stop hating people." Paraphrased. I've been far too passive since I turned 18. There are things everyday, and things over the course of years, that deserve my horrible, horrible attention. They have slipped passed me without receiving the mauling they deserve. No more.

3. RWHN's arguments in the LEGALIZE IT thread. They were compelling and sensible, and while I don't agree with legislation that affects people's intake of substance that doesn't make them think they're bullet-proof, I still feel as though there's something better. For me and my kids.


As an added bonus: Noticed my increased productivity the last few days? Yeah.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Suu on February 10, 2010, 06:54:46 PM
Congratulations. I kicked smoking regularly in 2003 (both pot and cigs). It was probably one of the best choices I've ever made.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Eater of Clowns on February 10, 2010, 06:59:22 PM
Well shit if it's driving up content like you've been posting it's a great thing.

Maybe I should take it up, then quit it to see if I'll content spike.

I've never partaken of the herb, and actually other than four cigarettes I've had nothing "harder" than alcohol.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Freeky on February 10, 2010, 07:02:24 PM
I have been CRAVING herb, at the very least, but I think that's just because I need an escape during the week.

Not like I'm gonna get any, anyway, so I'm not ashamed of saying I want it.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Salty on February 10, 2010, 07:03:59 PM
Suu: Thanks.

EoC: Also, thanks. And, through the years of various "spiritual" and creative practices, I would constantly get these GREAT IDEAS and then promptly forget them. It's definitely harder to write fictions. There are so many little things, small twists and turns in plot and character that I am tired of losing. It's very frustrating. But what's worse is that it makes the frustration go away as well.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Salty on February 10, 2010, 07:05:38 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on February 10, 2010, 07:02:24 PM
I have been CRAVING herb, at the very least, but I think that's just because I need an escape during the week.

Not like I'm gonna get any, anyway, so I'm not ashamed of saying I want it.

Hey, you wanted work in AK? We've got plenty of the other.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 10, 2010, 07:06:02 PM
Quote from: Alty on February 10, 2010, 07:03:59 PM
Suu: Thanks.

EoC: Also, thanks. And, through the years of various "spiritual" and creative practices, I would constantly get these GREAT IDEAS and then promptly forget them. It's definitely harder to write fictions. There are so many little things, small twists and turns in plot and character that I am tired of losing. It's very frustrating. But what's worse is that it makes the frustration go away as well.

I've noticed that the end result of pot is LESS creativity.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Freeky on February 10, 2010, 07:08:17 PM
Quote from: Alty on February 10, 2010, 07:05:38 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on February 10, 2010, 07:02:24 PM
I have been CRAVING herb, at the very least, but I think that's just because I need an escape during the week.

Not like I'm gonna get any, anyway, so I'm not ashamed of saying I want it.

Hey, you wanted work in AK? We've got plenty of the other.

I had funnyfail when I mentioned that. It was an advert for working in Glacier Bay on the Tucson craigslist postings.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Salty on February 10, 2010, 07:09:13 PM
I've heard wonderful things about working in Glacier Bay...














....From hippies.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Salty on February 10, 2010, 07:11:36 PM
For the record: IT IS DIFFICULT.

Especially at night before bed when I'd like to be done thinking for the day.
I've also noticed waking up with a clenched jaw and an all-day headache.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 10, 2010, 07:14:44 PM
Quote from: Alty on February 10, 2010, 07:11:36 PM
For the record: IT IS DIFFICULT.

Especially at night before bed when I'd like to be done thinking for the day.
I've also noticed waking up with a clenched jaw and an all-day headache.

Hit the treadmill at 4PM.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Jasper on February 10, 2010, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 10, 2010, 07:06:02 PM
Quote from: Alty on February 10, 2010, 07:03:59 PM
Suu: Thanks.

EoC: Also, thanks. And, through the years of various "spiritual" and creative practices, I would constantly get these GREAT IDEAS and then promptly forget them. It's definitely harder to write fictions. There are so many little things, small twists and turns in plot and character that I am tired of losing. It's very frustrating. But what's worse is that it makes the frustration go away as well.

I've noticed that the end result of pot is LESS creativity.

It's a sad thought, but I think the effect of it is just to make you think your ideas are great.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Salty on February 10, 2010, 07:16:02 PM
 :golfclap:
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Elder Iptuous on February 10, 2010, 07:23:01 PM
I stopped smoking regularly after graduating university so i could get a job.
My findings were:
it was significantly easier than i expected.
a little extra cash in my pocket.
no friendship statuses changed.
it now takes barely anything to achieve the same effect that it used to (teeny one hitter, rather than bong)
i am now significantly pickier when i do pick some up.  it has to be crunchy and white, or i'm 'meh, no thanks'.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Salty on February 10, 2010, 07:49:09 PM
Another, albeit minor, difficulty is it's large availability and high quality in my area.
I'm already pretty picky, but I don't really have to be. I, in a fully hypothetically and fictional way, know WAY too many hippies with nothing to do but cultivate, cultivate, cultivate. Hypothetically.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Suu on February 10, 2010, 07:52:56 PM
Quote from: Alty on February 10, 2010, 07:11:36 PM
For the record: IT IS DIFFICULT.

Especially at night before bed when I'd like to be done thinking for the day.
I've also noticed waking up with a clenched jaw and an all-day headache.

You must have been smoking A LOT then. Typically you don't develop a physical addiction to THC.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Salty on February 10, 2010, 07:55:23 PM
 :oops:
Well, yeah. Quite an awful, hideous lot, actually.

I think it's stress though, the jaw thing.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: LMNO on February 10, 2010, 07:56:00 PM
Quote from: Suu on February 10, 2010, 07:52:56 PM
Quote from: Alty on February 10, 2010, 07:11:36 PM
For the record: IT IS DIFFICULT.

Especially at night before bed when I'd like to be done thinking for the day.
I've also noticed waking up with a clenched jaw and an all-day headache.

You must have been smoking A LOT then. Typically you don't develop a physical addiction to THC.

Flip it around:  His body produces stresses that pot normally covered up.

He's not smoking, but the stresses remain.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Captain Utopia on February 10, 2010, 08:14:21 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on February 10, 2010, 07:15:02 PM
It's a sad thought, but I think the effect of it is just to make you think your ideas are great.
It does have that effect, it's not always an illusion though.  Some wacky ideas have turned out to be breakthroughs in various projects.  That said, the year I spent smoking every single day was probably my least productive period, although my flickr page from that time shows I was planning something bizarre.. god knows what though, since I didn't keep notes.  Probably expanding quantum consciousness!

(http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/spiff_bucket/flick.jpg)

In other words, congrats Alty!  And there isn't much else that can be said about the difficulty not smoking up at night, except that it does get easier.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Suu on February 10, 2010, 08:16:55 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 10, 2010, 07:56:00 PM
Quote from: Suu on February 10, 2010, 07:52:56 PM
Quote from: Alty on February 10, 2010, 07:11:36 PM
For the record: IT IS DIFFICULT.

Especially at night before bed when I'd like to be done thinking for the day.
I've also noticed waking up with a clenched jaw and an all-day headache.

You must have been smoking A LOT then. Typically you don't develop a physical addiction to THC.

Flip it around:  His body produces stresses that pot normally covered up.

He's not smoking, but the stresses remain.

Ahhh, gotcha.

Yeah dude, that will all pass. Think of other ways to calm yourself before bed to help. A hot bath, reading a book, drawing or painting or sewing 16th century garb. You know, whatever works.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Salty on February 10, 2010, 08:17:54 PM
Totally. An additional reason to quit was to get off my ass and get to work on the 2nd draft of THE BOOK.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: -Kel- on February 11, 2010, 10:45:42 PM
I'm going to quit as well. I've puffed since i was in high school. i was going to quit after getting my degree in May. But it does make me very lazy. That or buy a vaporizer. But i think ill just quit for now and maybe take a puff here and there a party when it suit me.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Salty on February 11, 2010, 10:49:02 PM
I acquired a vaporizer recently. It made it a lot worse/better depending on your viewpoint. I sure felt more like a zombie, which was the desired outcome at the time.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Salty on February 11, 2010, 11:01:19 PM
My next step is to NOT substitute with beer.

Used to be, I'd have one or two every other day and be good. Now, two or three just disappear like magic and I crave MOAR.

Must watch that as alcoholism runs in my family.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Salty on February 11, 2010, 11:04:16 PM
Then again, many of the villages in the North Slope are dry, so I may not have a choice.

I don't think I've been totally sober for more than a few day at a time for nearly a decade.

Shit. :sad:
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: -Kel- on February 11, 2010, 11:06:05 PM
ill probably subsitute it with exercise or lots and lots of vodka :)
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Salty on February 11, 2010, 11:13:51 PM
Quote from: -Kel- on February 11, 2010, 11:06:05 PM
ill probably subsitute it with exercise or and lots and lots of vodka MEAT. :)

Fixed for clean living.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on February 12, 2010, 02:24:49 AM
Quote from: Alty on February 10, 2010, 06:50:09 PM
1. My desire for employment that pays enough money for a car and an education (for it's own sake.).

Aim for a full-time job at a university, most of them will offer free tuition to full-time staff.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Salty on February 12, 2010, 02:28:28 AM
I've been keeping an eye out for jobs that I qualify for at the Uni.. There was a sweet data entry position, but it got scooped up before I could even finish applying.

Good advice though. They even let you take classes on paid time during your shift if you can prove that it adds skills valuable to your position. I wonder how far I can bullshit my way through a degree with that option...
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on February 12, 2010, 02:33:58 AM
They even let janitors do this at many universities. I would suggest applying for everything you feel you are even remotely capable of doing. Cast a wide net.
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Lies on February 12, 2010, 02:38:26 AM
Hey, good to hear you making a positive step in your life.

As on on again/off again smoker, I feel that while pot can help you feel better in some ways and help in others, it can and will dull you and your mind and your motivation to do stuff, if you want to smoke, there's a time and a place, but when you're doing it nearly every day and not achieving the things you want to achieve, it's time to seriously think about giving it a decent break
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Salty on February 14, 2010, 08:39:22 PM
Thanks for all your support.

I am starting to realize why I preferred to be vacant-minded though. I have been trying deep breathing techniques I haven't done in years, if only to offset to small, intense bursts of panic and anxiety I've been experiencing over the last few days.

Underneath all that haze was a well of dissatisfaction and anger. I've been trying to focus that energy on constructive things, but being mostly out of work isn't helping.

Gonna try to land whatever University job I can get while waiting for the slope thing to work out because I don't really care what I do at this point as long as it's something that isn't massage or retail hell. Which doesn't pay enough anyway. 
Title: Re: So I gave up...
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on February 14, 2010, 08:49:48 PM
This might've already been discussed in here, but you should start doing cardio and weight training. It helps a lot with stabilizing that sort of shit.