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Alright, the whole internet is talking about it, somebody had to start at thread about it.
You literally cannot script reality TV this good. This is an instance of real racial tension and a savage beating, caught on film. It spread like wildfire across the Internet.
Here's the original video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH8gBlgoHic (about 4 min)
Here's an interview with the 67 year old white guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf8ZDs-D8Ysm , which contains the relevant clips from the original video. (about 9 min) If you're only going to watch one of these clips, this is the one.
The radio host from the last clip had Michael (the black dude) on his show yesterday, here's the clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I1r3dhMUO4 (Michael starts talking at 0:55). I haven't watched this one yet.
as somebody stated on another forum in regards to this topic:
"Never pick a fight with an old man. If you win, you just beat up an old man. If you lose, you just got beat up by an old man..."
also, don't pick a fight with anybody that has 'I am a motherfucker' on his t-shirt and a marines tattoo on his arm. regardless of age.
I didn't read the article, but I was disappointed to see that this thread was not about somebody kicking Agent Compassion's ass on the TriMet.
Quote from: Cramulus on March 02, 2010, 03:19:42 PM
Here's an interview with the 67 year old white guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf8ZDs-D8Ysm , which contains the relevant clips from the original video. (about 9 min) If you're only going to watch one of these clips, this is the one.
The radio host from the last clip had Michael (the black dude) on his show yesterday, here's the clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I1r3dhMUO4 (Michael starts talking at 0:55). I haven't watched this one yet.
disagree with the bolded part. if you haven't seen the interview with the black guy yet, definitely do so. his account of the story sheds quite a different light on what happened.
i'm not gonna argue for either of them, seems two tensed up old dudes got into a fight.
what i would like to see is not a rematch between them, but interview with both of them talking it out. i just wonder if the interviewer is skilled enough to not let that devolve into a shouting match.
<3 Amber Lamps.
Oh btw, if you watch the last episode of the Digg Reel they cover all 3 of those videos, IIRC.
http://revision3.com/diggreel
i saw the beating video a month ago and was horrified by it. was interested in seeing the second video but it doesnt work.
Punk ass had it coming. That is all.
GLORY TO EPIC BEARD MAN!
Quote from: St. Everblaze the Badikal on March 03, 2010, 03:34:43 PM
GLORY TO EPIC BEARD MAN!
TRUST NOT THE BEARDO.
THEY WILL BEAT YOU DOWN ON THE BUS.
ONLY THE 'STACHE SHOWS THE TRUE GLORY.
THUS ENDETH THE LESSON.
GOTTA GET MORE 'STACHE.
having watched the clip of the interviews with both of them, I gotta say I think that old white dude was the one who deserved to get his ass beat.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 03, 2010, 06:59:41 PM
having watched the clip of the interviews with both of them, I gotta say I think that old white dude was the one who deserved to get his ass beat.
being behind the nanny wall, i'm curious what they contain?
what did the clips not show?
what I find so fascinating about all of this is the role of the internet.
I mean, neither of these people were looking to become celebrities. Neither of them expected that getting on the bus that morning would lead to 2,000,000+ youtube hits. None of them expected their personalities to be the subject of forum discussions and flame wars and hundreds of video responses. The internet turned its eye on them, and they had no choice in the matter.
This is how it goes now. One false move and a million /b/tards will be commenting on every aspect of your life. Michael and Vietnam Tom were just one of the 3 billion strangers on this planet, and now you know more about them than you know about 99.99 percent of the world population. Why? Not because you met them or anything. But because something about their interaction was deeply evocative and somebody happened to be there to capture it.
and the best part,
the absolute best part of the whole thing, IMO, is the final shot, as seen from the bus window:
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Quote from: Iptuous on March 03, 2010, 07:09:30 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 03, 2010, 06:59:41 PM
having watched the clip of the interviews with both of them, I gotta say I think that old white dude was the one who deserved to get his ass beat.
being behind the nanny wall, i'm curious what they contain?
what did the clips not show?
first of all, Vietnam Tom is one whacked out motherfucker. And not really in the "cool" kind of way. Second of all, Michael seems like a pretty reasonable, normal guy whose very first words upon being interviewed were "I'd like to apologize to (list of entities) for the way I conducted myself that day." He also admits that he was a little drunk and takes responsibility for allowing his buzz to incite him to take the situation further than he otherwise would have. Vietnam Tom lies and says that Michael flashed a foot-long switchblade at him. They slow the original footage down and you can definitely hear that the whole thing was started by Vietnam Tom asking Michael "how much you gonna charge me for a spit-shine on my Stacy Adams?". Basically, racist crazy white guy got lucky and even though he picked on a black man who was willing to stand up for himself, white dude was HUGE and black dude is about the size of Gary Coleman. Also, Michael said in the interview that he knew he was gonna get his ass beat when he walked to the front of the bus but he couldn't, in good consicence, allow the racist insults to go unchallenged in front of a bus full of young black people.
Michael - angry & hysterical when drunk.
Tom - angry & hysterical generally.
ECH,
i watched the clip when it was on another board, and couldn't really make out the sound very well. It's interesting to hear a different perspective, and i'mma have to watch the interviews and the clips again when i get home....
At the other forum, somebody mentioned the spit shine comment, but said it was in response to the younger guy asking for money.
that's a dick thing to say to somebody pan handling, but not really racist...
somebody commented that the immediate response from the younger guy was to call him 'pinky' and call him racist...
the old guy said the kid had a switchblade? wtf... why would he say that knowing that the video of the incident was all over the intarwebs?
huh.... interesting... now i want to see more, even though it's just soap opera...
the "younger guy" is 50. He never asked him for money at all, and the "pinky" insult came from one of the women in the peanut gallery, not the guy himself.
also, the old guy is, apparently, certifiably insane.
also also, for anyone who knows about black history in America (ESPECIALLY a 50 year-old black man), the spitshine comment is very racist indeed.
I couldn't hear audio, aside from mumbling.
I don't believe the one dude is 50, but meh.
well, he is. whether you believe it or not has little to do with it. FFS, this is all over the internet, and both of these guys have been datamined to an insane level. The dude tells the interviewer that he's 50. If he were lying, the entire half of the internet that's on Tom's side would be letting you know about it.
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 03, 2010, 09:04:45 PM
I couldn't hear audio, aside from mumbling.
I don't believe the one dude is 50, but meh.
watch the clip with the interview with Micheal (3rd link in the post with the links). The audio is clear enough, especially when they slow it down or repeat it.
ahh haha....
that shines an entirely different light on the whole thing!
guys looking pretty decent in the clip i saw for 50 years old....
so... the white dude just, outta the blue told the black dude to spit shine his shoes?
like, they're both just sitting there minding their own business and he up and says that?
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 03, 2010, 09:10:01 PM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 03, 2010, 09:04:45 PM
I couldn't hear audio, aside from mumbling.
I don't believe the one dude is 50, but meh.
watch the clip with the interview with Micheal (3rd link in the post with the links). The audio is clear enough, especially when they slow it down or repeat it.
what i meant by "aside from mumbling", is that i don't hear speech very well and it all sounds like mumbling to me.
My guess is that nobody would have been filming it if shit hadn't already have been started, so who started it is going to remain a case of one man's word against another.
All I am going to say is, as sensitive to the "racial tensions" issue as I might be, if a crazy old vet says some crazy shit to me (and it has happened) it is not an excuse to pursue him and make it violent. Regardless of who started it, the black dude was in the wrong from the moment crazy old white guy got up and walked away from the altercation.
There is NO racial slur that validates initiating violence. Words are words.
That doesn't mean I'm not going to beat the everloving fuck out of General Stuart if he ever sets foot in Nigeleria.
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 03, 2010, 02:49:02 PM
Quote from: Suu on March 03, 2010, 02:25:02 PM
Punk ass had it coming. That is all.
yip.
which one of the two?
cause having watched both interviews, I'm quite certain both had it coming.
for some reason moreso because the black guy is 50 years old, a lot older than he looks in the video (but not in the interview)
Tom said some stupid racist stuff and is likely to get killed if he keeps that shit up. He gets some sympathy for being a vet whose brains were scrambled by the war, but that's no license to walk around being a racist fuckwad.
I have to agree with Nigel that Michael was nuts to risk his life (Jesus-fucking-Christ-in-the-asshole Tom is the size of a RHINO and about as intelligent as one to boot) over idiotic comments from a drug-addled vet. Still, it's understandable to not take racist bullshit sitting down, even if that means you might get seriously injured. But throwing punches over a few nasty comments from a stranger rarely seems worth it.
The message Michael was sending people on the bus (which he said was a major motivation in doing what he did) was that the way to deal with racist language is with physical confrontation. If everybody did that there would just be a lot of dead people of many skin tones who no longer can support their families. Better to let the racists live in their delusional world and spew retardation until they start acting on their beliefs in meaningful ways. Then it's time to lob bricks.
Of course, all this is easy to say in sober hindsight as a white guy.
edit: typo
Ahhhhh.
just got to see the interview.
what a different story it shows!
beard guy is nuts...
I'm really amazed that this is getting so much publicity.
Quote from: Triple Zero on March 03, 2010, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 03, 2010, 02:49:02 PM
Quote from: Suu on March 03, 2010, 02:25:02 PM
Punk ass had it coming. That is all.
yip.
which one of the two?
cause having watched both interviews, I'm quite certain both had it coming.
for some reason moreso because the black guy is 50 years old, a lot older than he looks in the video (but not in the interview)
Words are obviously powerful. Since it made a guy throw a punch. Even if the old dude is a whackadoo, you throw the first punch, you get what's coming to ya.
I'm not one to start a fist fight, but I'll mouth down anybody. However, throw a punch and you get what's coming.
That's all.
You know, also, there is the "obvious crazy" factor, in that when people are saying wildly inappropriate shit in public places, there is probably something wrong with them that goes beyond racism.
"I'm going to beat up crazy old racist guy for saying things that are crazy and racist" is not really good human-being behavior. I just can't sympathize with black dude. I don't really sympathize with the beardo, either, but he's not the one who followed a guy up the aisle and threw a punch at someone who was trying to walk away from conflict.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 04, 2010, 12:51:01 AM
You know, also, there is the "obvious crazy" factor, in that when people are saying wildly inappropriate shit in public places, there is probably something wrong with them that goes beyond racism.
"I'm going to beat up crazy old racist guy for saying things that are crazy and racist" is not really good human-being behavior. I just can't sympathize with black dude. I don't really sympathize with the beardo, either, but he's not the one who followed a guy up the aisle and threw a punch at someone who was trying to walk away from conflict.
From what I saw in the video of the incident, he just moved to the front of the bus and kept talking shit. Did I misunderstand that?
Talkin shit is talkin shit. Sometimes some really good conversations and funny funny things come of talkin shit. Nobody had to throw a punch.
Only sooks and Black people throw punchs
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 04, 2010, 02:14:21 AM
Talkin shit is talkin shit. Sometimes some really good conversations and funny funny things come of talkin shit. Nobody had to throw a punch.
Yep.
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on March 03, 2010, 11:06:00 PM
Tom said some stupid racist stuff and is likely to get killed if he keeps that shit up. He gets some sympathy for being a vet whose brains were scrambled by the war, but that's no license to walk around being a racist fuckwad.
I have to agree with Nigel that Michael was nuts to risk his life (Jesus-fucking-Christ-in-the-asshole Tom is the size of a RHINO and about as intelligent as one to boot) over idiotic comments from a drug-addled vet. Still, it's understandable to not take racist bullshit sitting down, even if that means you might get seriously injured. But throwing punches over a few nasty comments from a stranger rarely seems worth it.
The message Michael was sending people on the bus (which he said was a major motivation in doing what he did) was that the way to deal with racist language is with physical confrontation. If everybody did that there would just be a lot of dead people of many skin tones who no longer can support their families. Better to let the racists live in their delusional world and spew retardation until they start acting on their beliefs in meaningful ways. Then it's time to lob bricks.
Of course, all this is easy to say in sober hindsight as a white guy.
edit: typo
I would agree with you for the most part, but speaking as someone who has spent a large part of his life in a place where racism and random racially-motivated violence against people with MY skin color is a part of life, I think there are definitely (though rarely) times when physical violence is a justified response. Sadly, it's the only language some people understand. Not that I necessarily think this was one of those times, but I certainly understand and sympathize with the mindset.
Quote from: NotPublished on March 04, 2010, 02:24:17 AM
Only sooks and Black people throw punchs
what the fuck did you just say?
Also, there are times when people who think they can talk as much shit as they want to anyone and never face immediate and negative consequences need to be shown how wrong they are.
you know, for their own good.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 04, 2010, 08:12:24 AM
Quote from: NotPublished on March 04, 2010, 02:24:17 AM
Only sooks and Black people throw punchs
what the fuck did you just say?
I was being overly facetious (Considering what happened in the video ...)
Though its definatly not my view
Sometimes I forget its not a good idea to tease like that, since we do that here ..My bad. The culture is definatly different here. I do have Black friends and we mock each other (I'm the white boy). I don't think its just here that it is limited to .. I don't know, maybe its a rare group I found? I haven't experienced America.
I guess I would get bashed severly in America.
*eta* But I'm not stupid to do it at inappropriate times where I can be physically threatened. To be honest I thought I would of been responded to sarcasticly.
Regarding the video, I don't have much of an opinion of it - I think anyone who throws the first punch - especially onto someone who is walking away, is asking for alot of trouble regardless.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 04, 2010, 08:11:16 AM
... I think there are definitely (though rarely) times when physical violence is a justified response. Sadly, it's the only language some people understand. Not that I necessarily think this was one of those times, but I certainly understand and sympathize with the mindset.
see, i would limit the times that it is justified to use the language of violence to when the other party has switched to that mode of speech first...
do you think that makes me a coward for not feeling that one should throw the first punch in order to show a fellow that he cannot spout off shit without immediate and painful repercussions, or does that give me the moral high ground?
NotPublished, where are you from, again?
Either way, yeah, those kind of jokes are really considered inappropriate pretty much always by most Americans. Just like Holocaust jokes in Europe.
Or the stiffy joke pretty much anywhere.
mebbee i'm asking for it, but... 'stiffy joke'?
google didn't enlighten me....
:sad:
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 04, 2010, 08:14:42 AM
Also, there are times when people who think they can talk as much shit as they want to anyone and never face immediate and negative consequences need to be shown how wrong they are.
you know, for their own good.
So if I was talkin a bunch of smack to you it would then be ok for you to pound me in the face to show me how wrong I am for talkin smack?
For my own good?
I know i sound naive for thinking everything can be solved with words, but I don't think it's always cool to beat the shit out of someone to "teach em a lesson". That doesn't always work and often times makes the person more hostile and bitter.
It won't shut em up. Trust me.
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 04, 2010, 04:44:32 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 04, 2010, 08:14:42 AM
Also, there are times when people who think they can talk as much shit as they want to anyone and never face immediate and negative consequences need to be shown how wrong they are.
you know, for their own good.
So if I was talkin a bunch of smack to you it would then be ok for you to pound me in the face to show me how wrong I am for talkin smack?
For my own good?
I know i sound naive for thinking everything can be solved with words, but I don't think it's always cool to beat the shit out of someone to "teach em a lesson". That doesn't always work and often times makes the person more hostile and bitter.
It won't shut em up. Trust me.
Well. White hot poker seem to shut people up very fucking fast, in Enrico's experience.
:lulz:
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 04, 2010, 04:44:32 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on March 04, 2010, 08:14:42 AM
Also, there are times when people who think they can talk as much shit as they want to anyone and never face immediate and negative consequences need to be shown how wrong they are.
you know, for their own good.
So if I was talkin a bunch of smack to you it would then be ok for you to pound me in the face to show me how wrong I am for talkin smack?
For my own good?
I know i sound naive for thinking everything can be solved with words, but I don't think it's always cool to beat the shit out of someone to "teach em a lesson". That doesn't always work and often times makes the person more hostile and bitter.
It won't shut em up. Trust me.
1. If you were a man and the situation warranted it, yes. I wouldn't resort to violence against a woman unless I thought I was in immediate and serious physical danger. As a real-life example of what kind of situation I think violence would be appropriate in: if I were walking through the Bovoni ghetto in STT and you started fucking with me for being white, my options would be to either fuck you up or let you keep going until you attracted a mob to fuck me up. Like I said, the bus situation probably didn't warrant that response, but I can certainly understand the mindset.
2. Maybe so, but it
makes me feel better. Also, I know several people who were basically unrepentant shitbags until they got a good ass-kicking, at which point they realized that their life would be filled with mostly pain and grief if they didn't change their ways.
I see your point.
I've also seen that go both ways though.
Where they either learn or they get butthurt and start shooting.
But this is Florida, people here aren't too bright.
You're also not the only one to get picked on for being white, man. I'm a minority in my area and most of the Puerto Ricans here hate white people. So I feel ya in that respect.
Also the endless nazi jokes for being german. :roll:
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 04, 2010, 07:09:02 PM
Also the endless nazi jokes for being german. :roll:
This just gave me an awesome idea.
Expect an MP3 file by Sunday. Apologies in advance.
oh what have i done
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 04, 2010, 07:17:17 PM
oh what have i done
I am literally hugging myself in malicious glee.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2010, 07:18:05 PM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 04, 2010, 07:17:17 PM
oh what have i done
I am literally hugging myself in malicious glee.
this better make me laugh or i'm gonna mail you a bag of snot :lol:
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 04, 2010, 07:09:02 PM
Also the endless nazi jokes for being german. :roll:
SO THIS WOMAN COMES TO THE PRIEST FOR CONFESSION AND SAYS
Priest your holiness, I have been hiding a man who is wanted by the nazis!
SAYS THE PRIEST
But woman, that is a good thing, not a sin!
SAYS THE WOMAN
Yeah but the war has ended since long ago and I haven't told him!!
THE GERMAN SS IS ROUNDING UP ALL THE VILLAGERS BUT ONE PRIEST MANAGES TO ESCAPE, HOWEVER HE IS CHASED BY A YOUNG NAZI
THE PRIEST RUNS INTO AN ALLEY, BUT IT IS A DEAD END. THERE IS NO MORE HOPE.
THE YOUNG NAZI GETS READY TO SHOOT ...
AS THE SKY DARKENS AND A THUNDERING VOICE BOOMS FROM THE HEAVENS
"STOP YOU FOOLISH ONE, DO NOT SHOOT, THIS YOUNG POLISH MAN SHALL LATER BECOME THE POPE!"
Yes Lord ..., SAYS THE NAZI, ... but I ... ?
"YOU, AFTER HIM" SAYS THE VOICE FROM HEAVEN
NAZI GOES INTO A BAR AND SEES ADOLF HITLER SITTING AT THE BAR SAYS THE NAZI
Hey aren't you Adolf Hitler???
SAYS ADOLF HITLER
Yeah, but aren't you a nazi???
SAYS THE NAZI
Yes, but I don't smoke!
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 04, 2010, 07:27:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 04, 2010, 07:18:05 PM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 04, 2010, 07:17:17 PM
oh what have i done
I am literally hugging myself in malicious glee.
this better make me laugh or i'm gonna mail you a bag of snot :lol:
You wouldn't DARE.
But yeah, you're going to laugh. And then you're going to mail me a bag of snot, anyway.
oh 000, my slow ass didn't get half of those. :sad:
by jokes i meant when the kids ask where youre from and you say germany they all point at you and yell "so youre a nazi! kill any jews today?" and the like.
little bastards. i didnt even know what a nazi was till i moved here
LOL Roger, i wouldnt really mail you a bag of snot. glitter maybe, but not snot.
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 04, 2010, 08:05:48 PM
LOL Roger, i wouldnt really mail you a bag of snot. glitter maybe, but not snot.
That's what you say now. :)
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on March 04, 2010, 08:05:48 PM
oh 000, my slow ass didn't get half of those. :sad:
They weren't really good ones, I don't think there's much to get, just the result of a quick google search for Dutch nazi jokes :)
The first one is just stupid funny. The second is about our current pope ratzinger, maybe? And the third is a reference to an anti-smoking ad in the Netherlands, where you see kids and/or people do some pretty damn anti-social stuff, and then they say "yeah, but I DONT SMOKE!!!", meaning that if you dont smoke you can get away with ANYTHING, and therefore I quit smoking.
(also because of health. I like health!)
Quote from: Triple Zero on March 04, 2010, 01:37:44 PM
NotPublished, where are you from, again?
Either way, yeah, those kind of jokes are really considered inappropriate pretty much always by most Americans. Just like Holocaust jokes in Europe.
Or the stiffy joke pretty much anywhere.
Australia, I guess it is like that
(How do you mean stiffy though?)
And reading the responses, wow I didn't realise racism was that bad over in the States ... I can safely admit I know nothing about the way things work in the States. Sorry for coming off like that
Stiffy jokes are just tasteless no matter where you come from.
Except, maybe, Salazor. Enrico?
I'm guessing that Stiffy Jokes are jokes that involve the erect penis?
Because if so, I think they are only appropriate in the context of John Carpenters Vampires.
(or anything else involving James Woods, really.)
Quote from: Triple Zero on March 04, 2010, 08:46:20 PM
Stiffy jokes are just tasteless no matter where you come from.
Except, maybe, Salazor. Enrico?
Salazore cherish the physical joke, talk jokes, they are for peoples who consider sex an "intellectual" activity. No better joke than old "napalm above door" trick. Poor Momo... she never saw coming.
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