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Principia Discordia => Apple Talk => Topic started by: Prince Glittersnatch III on January 12, 2011, 02:43:01 AM

Title: Astrology
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on January 12, 2011, 02:43:01 AM
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Astronomers with the Minnesota Planetarium Society have dropped a bomb on the zodiac, noting that thanks to the millennia-long effect of the moon's gravitational pull on the Earth, there's about a one-month bump in the alignment of the stars. The result?

"When [astrologers] say that the sun is in Pisces, it's really not in Pisces," Parke Kunkle, a board member of the Minnesota Planetarium Society, told the Star Tribune.

And if the sun isn't in Pisces, YOU'RE not in Pisces. Surprise! You're an Aquarius!

Much of astrology -- called an ancient and complex system that uses math and science to predict the future -- relies upon careful observation of the heavens. And your astrological sign is based on the date of your birth, something that was tied very tightly to the position of the heavens back in Babylonian times.

Seeing stars yet? It all comes down to the 26,000-year procession of the planets through space, he said, noting that a variety of gravitational forces have changed the position of the planets in the sky over time.

Bottom line, the astrological forecasts we've all been turning to may -- gasp! -- not be accurate at all, or at least they may be intended for other readers.


http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/11/age-aquarius-actually-age-capricorn-thanks-rotation-earth/

So basically anyone who claims that astrology works for them is full of shit /obvious
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Suu on January 12, 2011, 02:45:43 AM
People manifest the traits of their sign because they want to.

...That reminds me. I'm printed. I'll be on the shelves Friday!!  :lulz:
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Phox on January 12, 2011, 02:47:37 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on January 12, 2011, 02:43:01 AM
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Astronomers with the Minnesota Planetarium Society have dropped a bomb on the zodiac, noting that thanks to the millennia-long effect of the moon's gravitational pull on the Earth, there's about a one-month bump in the alignment of the stars. The result?

"When [astrologers] say that the sun is in Pisces, it's really not in Pisces," Parke Kunkle, a board member of the Minnesota Planetarium Society, told the Star Tribune.

And if the sun isn't in Pisces, YOU'RE not in Pisces. Surprise! You're an Aquarius!

Much of astrology -- called an ancient and complex system that uses math and science to predict the future -- relies upon careful observation of the heavens. And your astrological sign is based on the date of your birth, something that was tied very tightly to the position of the heavens back in Babylonian times.

Seeing stars yet? It all comes down to the 26,000-year procession of the planets through space, he said, noting that a variety of gravitational forces have changed the position of the planets in the sky over time.

Bottom line, the astrological forecasts we've all been turning to may -- gasp! -- not be accurate at all, or at least they may be intended for other readers.


http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/11/age-aquarius-actually-age-capricorn-thanks-rotation-earth/

So basically anyone who claims that astrology works for them is full of shit /obvious

Wait, this is news to people?
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on January 12, 2011, 02:58:05 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 12, 2011, 02:47:37 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on January 12, 2011, 02:43:01 AM
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Astronomers with the Minnesota Planetarium Society have dropped a bomb on the zodiac, noting that thanks to the millennia-long effect of the moon's gravitational pull on the Earth, there's about a one-month bump in the alignment of the stars. The result?

"When [astrologers] say that the sun is in Pisces, it's really not in Pisces," Parke Kunkle, a board member of the Minnesota Planetarium Society, told the Star Tribune.

And if the sun isn't in Pisces, YOU'RE not in Pisces. Surprise! You're an Aquarius!

Much of astrology -- called an ancient and complex system that uses math and science to predict the future -- relies upon careful observation of the heavens. And your astrological sign is based on the date of your birth, something that was tied very tightly to the position of the heavens back in Babylonian times.

Seeing stars yet? It all comes down to the 26,000-year procession of the planets through space, he said, noting that a variety of gravitational forces have changed the position of the planets in the sky over time.

Bottom line, the astrological forecasts we've all been turning to may -- gasp! -- not be accurate at all, or at least they may be intended for other readers.


http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/11/age-aquarius-actually-age-capricorn-thanks-rotation-earth/

So basically anyone who claims that astrology works for them is full of shit /obvious

Wait, this is news to people?

I just thought it was funny. Even if people claim that astrology "works" it couldnt have been working well for them because its all been way off.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Phox on January 12, 2011, 03:02:51 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on January 12, 2011, 02:58:05 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 12, 2011, 02:47:37 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on January 12, 2011, 02:43:01 AM
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Astronomers with the Minnesota Planetarium Society have dropped a bomb on the zodiac, noting that thanks to the millennia-long effect of the moon's gravitational pull on the Earth, there's about a one-month bump in the alignment of the stars. The result?

"When [astrologers] say that the sun is in Pisces, it's really not in Pisces," Parke Kunkle, a board member of the Minnesota Planetarium Society, told the Star Tribune.

And if the sun isn't in Pisces, YOU'RE not in Pisces. Surprise! You're an Aquarius!

Much of astrology -- called an ancient and complex system that uses math and science to predict the future -- relies upon careful observation of the heavens. And your astrological sign is based on the date of your birth, something that was tied very tightly to the position of the heavens back in Babylonian times.

Seeing stars yet? It all comes down to the 26,000-year procession of the planets through space, he said, noting that a variety of gravitational forces have changed the position of the planets in the sky over time.

Bottom line, the astrological forecasts we've all been turning to may -- gasp! -- not be accurate at all, or at least they may be intended for other readers.


http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/11/age-aquarius-actually-age-capricorn-thanks-rotation-earth/

So basically anyone who claims that astrology works for them is full of shit /obvious

Wait, this is news to people?

I just thought it was funny. Even if people claim that astrology "works" it couldnt have been working well for them because its all been way off.

Yeah, but uh... I thought it was fairly well known that astrological signs didn't sync up with the actual paths of celestial bodies.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: BadBeast on January 12, 2011, 03:26:31 AM
Who cares? Not me, that's for sure. Doesn't make me any less of a Gemini. Astronomers should all be rounded up like Sicilian Bandits, and made to live in small, gated communities where they won't be able to spread their lies. What they do, in fact is Witchcraft, and Sorcery. Like Devils. So they really do have to go. Especially Mystic Meg.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Rumckle on January 12, 2011, 03:44:15 AM
They already do, why do you think all the worlds telescopes are on top of mountains or out in the middle of deserts?
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 12, 2011, 03:45:38 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on January 12, 2011, 03:44:15 AM
They already do, why do you think all the worlds telescopes are on top of mountains or out in the middle of deserts?

Because they hate Tucson, and don't want us to have street lights on the North end.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: BadBeast on January 12, 2011, 04:24:58 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on January 12, 2011, 03:44:15 AM
They already do, why do you think all the worlds telescopes are on top of mountains or out in the middle of deserts?
Because the practitioners of these vulgar and cheap conjuring tricks are generally not encouraged to stray for long anywhere close to good Christian folks.
And the light's better.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Jasper on January 12, 2011, 04:38:45 AM
Oh man, this is priceless.  Someone should alert Weird Al.  He hates astrology.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: BadBeast on January 12, 2011, 05:12:21 AM
Astrology rhymes with too many other words for Weird Al to hate it for long. He could get his next 2 songs from Astrology, just as it is! If only he wasn't such a lyrical purist. He might try to not be so soul crushingly wounded every time he was reminded what an arsehole he is when he's been drinking. And maybe not have a drink at all. 
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: The Johnny on January 12, 2011, 06:18:42 AM

OMG!!! Liek, does this affect chinese zodiac thingy too??? I was a tiger and now i dont even know who i am!!
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: BadBeast on January 12, 2011, 06:32:47 AM
Why can't they just leave shit alone?
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Phox on January 12, 2011, 06:37:54 AM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on January 12, 2011, 06:18:42 AM

OMG!!! Liek, does this affect chinese zodiac thingy too??? I was a tiger and now i dont even know who i am!!

No, because the Chinese zodiac isn't based on constellations/stars/planets or "astrology" at all, really.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: BadBeast on January 12, 2011, 06:41:01 AM
Then I'm still a Fire Horse?


Shit!
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Phox on January 12, 2011, 06:50:41 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 12, 2011, 06:41:01 AM
Then I'm still a Fire Horse?


Shit!

Erm.. Horses are "always" fire. That's okay though, I'm a Wooden Dragon. Or, more specifically: Year of the Dragon, Month of the Pig, Day of the Horse, Hour of the Horse.  Wood, Water, Fire, Fire.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: BadBeast on January 12, 2011, 07:04:08 AM
There are four years, so only fire once every four years. But there are 12 Houses, I think it's about every sixty something years that the same combo of Animal and Element happens.  Fire Horse was the most inauspicious combination, and all Fire Horse babies were usually drowned, for luck.     
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Phox on January 12, 2011, 07:41:32 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 12, 2011, 07:04:08 AM
There are four years, so only fire once every four years. But there are 12 Houses, I think it's about every sixty something years that the same combo of Animal and Element happens.  Fire Horse was the most inauspicious combination, and all Fire Horse babies were usually drowned, for luck.     

There are 5 elements, actually: Earth, Fire, Water, Wood, Metal. And, yeah you are  correct, the elements rotate. Looking at the rotation, turns out I'm an Earth Dragon.

ETA: And, yes, it's a 60 year cycle.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Thank god the Chinese zodiac is still intact, I quite enjoy being a Metal Cock.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Phox on January 12, 2011, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Thank god the Chinese zodiac is still intact, I quite enjoy being a Metal Cock.
Well. That's certainly interesting.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 12, 2011, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Thank god the Chinese zodiac is still intact, I quite enjoy being a Metal Cock.
Well. That's certainly interesting.

Everyone likes a nice, hard, cock... erm... well, I s'pose not everyone...
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Phox on January 12, 2011, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 12, 2011, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Thank god the Chinese zodiac is still intact, I quite enjoy being a Metal Cock.
Well. That's certainly interesting.

Everyone likes a nice, hard, cock... erm... well, I s'pose not everyone...

Eh. Can please everybody. It most certainly pleases me though.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on January 12, 2011, 07:53:16 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 12, 2011, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 12, 2011, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Thank god the Chinese zodiac is still intact, I quite enjoy being a Metal Cock.
Well. That's certainly interesting.

Everyone likes a nice, hard, cock... erm... well, I s'pose not everyone...

Eh. Can please everybody. It most certainly pleases me though.



:fap:
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: BadBeast on January 12, 2011, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 12, 2011, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 12, 2011, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Thank god the Chinese zodiac is still intact, I quite enjoy being a Metal Cock.
Well. That's certainly interesting.

Everyone likes a nice, hard, cock... erm... well, I s'pose not everyone...

Eh. Can please everybody. It most certainly pleases me though.
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Everyone likes a nice, hard, cock... erm... well, I s'pose not everyone...
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Eh. Can please everybody. It most certainly pleases me though.
[/quote] Phoxxy, the eternal opportunist, equally at home whether rubbin' a nubbin', or stroking a hard, iron cock. Is there no end to the talents of this remarkable creature?
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Phox on January 13, 2011, 12:06:39 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 12, 2011, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 12, 2011, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 12, 2011, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Thank god the Chinese zodiac is still intact, I quite enjoy being a Metal Cock.
Well. That's certainly interesting.

Everyone likes a nice, hard, cock... erm... well, I s'pose not everyone...

Eh. Can please everybody. It most certainly pleases me though.
Phoxxy, the eternal opportunist, equally at home whether rubbin' a nubbin', or stroking a hard, iron cock. Is there no end to the talents of this remarkable creature?

Oh goddamn it BB.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: BadBeast on January 13, 2011, 12:17:14 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 13, 2011, 12:06:39 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 12, 2011, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 12, 2011, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 12, 2011, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Thank god the Chinese zodiac is still intact, I quite enjoy being a Metal Cock.
Well. That's certainly interesting.

Everyone likes a nice, hard, cock... erm... well, I s'pose not everyone...

Eh. Can please everybody. It most certainly pleases me though.
Phoxxy, the eternal opportunist, equally at home whether rubbin' a nubbin', or stroking a hard, iron cock. Is there no end to the talents of this remarkable creature?

Oh goddamn it BB.
:fap:  :lulz:
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Phox on January 13, 2011, 12:20:30 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 13, 2011, 12:17:14 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 13, 2011, 12:06:39 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 12, 2011, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 12, 2011, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 12, 2011, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Thank god the Chinese zodiac is still intact, I quite enjoy being a Metal Cock.
Well. That's certainly interesting.

Everyone likes a nice, hard, cock... erm... well, I s'pose not everyone...

Eh. Can please everybody. It most certainly pleases me though.
Phoxxy, the eternal opportunist, equally at home whether rubbin' a nubbin', or stroking a hard, iron cock. Is there no end to the talents of this remarkable creature?

Oh goddamn it BB.
:fap:  :lulz:

You couldn't just leave it at  :lmnuendo: could you?  :lulz:
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: BadBeast on January 13, 2011, 12:29:41 AM
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Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 13, 2011, 12:20:30 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 13, 2011, 12:17:14 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 13, 2011, 12:06:39 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 12, 2011, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 12, 2011, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 12, 2011, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on January 12, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Thank god the Chinese zodiac is still intact, I quite enjoy being a Metal Cock.
Well. That's certainly interesting.

Everyone likes a nice, hard, cock... erm... well, I s'pose not everyone...

Eh. Can please everybody. It most certainly pleases me though.
Phoxxy, the eternal opportunist, equally at home whether rubbin' a nubbin', or stroking a hard, iron cock. Is there no end to the talents of this remarkable creature?

Oh goddamn it BB.
:fap:  :lulz:

You couldn't just leave it at  :lmnuendo: could you?  :lulz:
Evidently not, no.

*Nor shall my Sword, sleep in my hand,  . . . blah blah blah, Jerusalem, blah, Yawn, *Snore*"  :flush:
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 14, 2011, 07:01:34 AM
As sad as it makes me to debunk the debunking, it's all bullshit and astrology is the same as it ever was.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/13/no-your-zodiac-sign-hasnt-changed/
http://www.dailyhoroscope.com/horoscope-headlines/ophiuchus-the-13th-zodiac-sign
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Jasper on January 14, 2011, 07:10:36 AM
D'aww.

Oh well.  I guess I'll have to go back to ignoring astrology for the usual reasons.  :lol:
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Salty on January 14, 2011, 07:13:39 AM
Speaking of absurd omens and whatsits, sigmatic, I've taken to your random horoscope thingy that you do. It's so much fun and typically makes more sense than the one's in the paper. MY sense.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Jasper on January 14, 2011, 07:18:49 AM
Awesome.  Everyone should get personalized "horoscopes" from people who enjoy tormenting them.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Epimetheus on January 14, 2011, 07:19:53 AM
Quote from: Alty on January 14, 2011, 07:13:39 AM
your random horoscope thingy that you do

:?
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Jasper on January 14, 2011, 07:22:09 AM
Quote from: Epimetheus on January 14, 2011, 07:19:53 AM
Quote from: Alty on January 14, 2011, 07:13:39 AM
your random horoscope thingy that you do

:?


Text horoscopes to people you know, unsolicited. 

Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Salty on January 14, 2011, 07:22:41 AM
YOUR DAILY HOROSCOPE: God damned giraffes are going to FUCK you UP. A Scorpio will bask your delicious tears.

Texted or otherwise sent to the unsuspecting.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Jasper on January 14, 2011, 07:23:25 AM
WAAAHAHAHA YESSS 

:mittens:

Perfect.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Rumckle on January 14, 2011, 07:28:58 AM
Quote from: Nigel on January 14, 2011, 07:01:34 AM
As sad as it makes me to debunk the debunking, it's all bullshit and astrology is the same as it ever was.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/13/no-your-zodiac-sign-hasnt-changed/
http://www.dailyhoroscope.com/horoscope-headlines/ophiuchus-the-13th-zodiac-sign

If it's seasons based, then why do some zodiac columns say shit like "Jupiter's alignment means your investments will pay off" and shit like that, if they're going to be wrong at least be consistent about it. It's like the think their readers are idiots or something.


Also, this site is mildly amusing:
http://bitterhoroscopes.com/
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 14, 2011, 08:12:55 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on January 14, 2011, 07:28:58 AM
Quote from: Nigel on January 14, 2011, 07:01:34 AM
As sad as it makes me to debunk the debunking, it's all bullshit and astrology is the same as it ever was.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/13/no-your-zodiac-sign-hasnt-changed/
http://www.dailyhoroscope.com/horoscope-headlines/ophiuchus-the-13th-zodiac-sign

If it's seasons based, then why do some zodiac columns say shit like "Jupiter's alignment means your investments will pay off" and shit like that, if they're going to be wrong at least be consistent about it. It's like the think their readers are idiots or something.


Also, this site is mildly amusing:
http://bitterhoroscopes.com/


No, no, no. Read and understand the articles rather than say things that make you sound stupid. Astrology's just as bunk as it ever was, AND no, the tropical zodiac used in the West hasn't changed at all.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Rumckle on January 14, 2011, 08:31:13 AM
Quote from: Nigel on January 14, 2011, 08:12:55 AM

No, no, no. Read and understand the articles rather than say things that make you sound stupid. Astrology's just as bunk as it ever was, AND no, the tropical zodiac used in the West hasn't changed at all.

I didn't say that astrology isn't bunk. And I didn't say that it has changed.

Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 14, 2011, 08:49:42 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on January 14, 2011, 08:31:13 AM
Quote from: Nigel on January 14, 2011, 08:12:55 AM

No, no, no. Read and understand the articles rather than say things that make you sound stupid. Astrology's just as bunk as it ever was, AND no, the tropical zodiac used in the West hasn't changed at all.

I didn't say that astrology isn't bunk. And I didn't say that it has changed.



No, but you said that they "should at least be consistent about it", but if you read the articles I linked to, they have been. At least Western astrologers. Even the astronomer who is being cited as claiming astrological signs have shifted didn't really claim that for tropical astrology, which is the system most familiar to Westerners.

In my opinion it's as important to not use bogus debunking as it is to reject bullshit in the first place, because bogus debunking leaves you susceptible to debunking.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Rumckle on January 14, 2011, 09:02:08 AM
Quote from: Nigel on January 14, 2011, 08:49:42 AM
No, but you said that they "should at least be consistent about it", but if you read the articles I linked to, they have been. At least Western astrologers.

I didn't mean that in the sense that they have changed their position over time. However, from the first article:

Quote"Astrology is geocentric. It relates life on Earth to the Earth's environment, and seasons are the most dramatic effect, which is why we use the tropical zodiac," he said.

I find it inconsistent that they say it is geocentric, then refer to Mercury and Jupiter etc, in their readings (or some of them do at least).
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Phox on January 14, 2011, 09:04:47 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on January 14, 2011, 09:02:08 AM
Quote from: Nigel on January 14, 2011, 08:49:42 AM
No, but you said that they "should at least be consistent about it", but if you read the articles I linked to, they have been. At least Western astrologers.

I didn't mean that in the sense that they have changed their position over time. However, from the first article:

Quote"Astrology is geocentric. It relates life on Earth to the Earth's environment, and seasons are the most dramatic effect, which is why we use the tropical zodiac," he said.

I find it inconsistent that they say it is geocentric, then refer to Mercury and Jupiter etc, in their readings (or some of them do at least).

So... you tracking the movement of astrological bodies and relating them to events on Earth is somehow inconsistent with this statement?
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 14, 2011, 09:28:17 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on January 14, 2011, 09:02:08 AM
Quote from: Nigel on January 14, 2011, 08:49:42 AM
No, but you said that they "should at least be consistent about it", but if you read the articles I linked to, they have been. At least Western astrologers.

I didn't mean that in the sense that they have changed their position over time. However, from the first article:

Quote"Astrology is geocentric. It relates life on Earth to the Earth's environment, and seasons are the most dramatic effect, which is why we use the tropical zodiac," he said.

I find it inconsistent that they say it is geocentric, then refer to Mercury and Jupiter etc, in their readings (or some of them do at least).

I am confused by your statement, what are you finding inconsistent?
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Suu on January 14, 2011, 12:52:06 PM
I've gotten 10 emails in a day by people freaking out over this from the newspaper. Seriously.

I guess people take these things more seriously than I thought. It's kind of scary, because a few people sounded genuinely upset to the verge of "If I'm in this 13th sign now for real I will kill myself" scary.

I did my best to explain to them that Western astrologers follow the tropical zodiac and we won't be following the new cycle, and now I hope for the best. (I didn't want to crush souls).
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Rumckle on January 14, 2011, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 14, 2011, 09:28:17 AM

I am confused by your statement, what are you finding inconsistent?

I guess part of me thinks that if it is geocentric, why have any relation to the stars/planets at all?

Also, I can see how you could argue (without looking at statistics/data) that the time of year you were born could impact on your life in some way (ie maybe kids born in winter are more likely to die of pneumonia) and extrapolate from there, but I cannot see how the position of Jupiter could affect you  at all when you are born (at least no more than anyone else in the world). But inconsistencies when apply an entire different belief set (ie mine) to someone else's (ie astrologers) are going to occur I guess.

Regardless it was just an off-hand remark and I may have been wrong.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AFK on January 14, 2011, 01:25:14 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 12, 2011, 05:12:21 AM
Astrology rhymes with too many other words for Weird Al to hate it for long. He could get his next 2 songs from Astrology, just as it is! If only he wasn't such a lyrical purist. He might try to not be so soul crushingly wounded every time he was reminded what an arsehole he is when he's been drinking. And maybe not have a drink at all. 

Oh no, you aren't stepping on Weird Al are you?  Them are fighting words! 
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: LMNO on January 14, 2011, 01:48:17 PM
So, of Facebook I've read things like, "Oh, this only applies to the people being born now; whatever sign you were born in, you still are."  As if this was some sort of instantaneous change that didn't happen over the course of centuries, and didn't apply say, last year.

It just serves to underscore the very arbitrary nature of astrology, and makes me giggle.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Cain on January 14, 2011, 02:12:32 PM
I was born in the Year of Made Up Bullshit under the Sign of No Fucking Impact on My Life.

A goddamn pigeon shitting in my eye has more of an influence on my life than the position of the stars and the earth.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Suu on January 14, 2011, 02:20:35 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 14, 2011, 01:48:17 PM
So, of Facebook I've read things like, "Oh, this only applies to the people being born now; whatever sign you were born in, you still are."  As if this was some sort of instantaneous change that didn't happen over the course of centuries, and didn't apply say, last year.

It just serves to underscore the very arbitrary nature of astrology, and makes me giggle.

It certainly is funny watching people squirm.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Cramulus on January 14, 2011, 03:15:37 PM
More accurate than the Zodiac: The Ödiac


http://www.brunching.com/odiac.html

QuoteThere are only two signs in the Ödiac. If you are born on an odd date (e.g. the 27th of whatever), you are a Milli. If you are born on an even date, you are a Vanilli.


here's my Öroscope:
(http://www.brunching.com/images/oroscope-milli.gif)
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: hooplala on January 14, 2011, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 14, 2011, 01:48:17 PM
So, of Facebook I've read things like, "Oh, this only applies to the people being born now; whatever sign you were born in, you still are."  As if this was some sort of instantaneous change that didn't happen over the course of centuries, and didn't apply say, last year.

It just serves to underscore the very arbitrary nature of astrology, and makes me giggle.


I heard on the radio that it only applied to people in the East.  WTF?  They don't have the same sky as the rest of us?
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 14, 2011, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: Rumckle on January 14, 2011, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 14, 2011, 09:28:17 AM

I am confused by your statement, what are you finding inconsistent?

I guess part of me thinks that if it is geocentric, why have any relation to the stars/planets at all?

Also, I can see how you could argue (without looking at statistics/data) that the time of year you were born could impact on your life in some way (ie maybe kids born in winter are more likely to die of pneumonia) and extrapolate from there, but I cannot see how the position of Jupiter could affect you  at all when you are born (at least no more than anyone else in the world). But inconsistencies when apply an entire different belief set (ie mine) to someone else's (ie astrologers) are going to occur I guess.

Regardless it was just an off-hand remark and I may have been wrong.

"Geocentric" = basing everything in the sky on its relationship to the earth. Astrology was originally a navigational coordinate system based on the positions of certain constellations in the sky throughout the course of the year.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 14, 2011, 04:24:41 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on January 14, 2011, 03:15:37 PM
More accurate than the Zodiac: The Ödiac


http://www.brunching.com/odiac.html

QuoteThere are only two signs in the Ödiac. If you are born on an odd date (e.g. the 27th of whatever), you are a Milli. If you are born on an even date, you are a Vanilli.


here's my Öroscope:
(http://www.brunching.com/images/oroscope-milli.gif)

Ha! I like this.

Frankly, I did momentarily have fun with the thought of all the headsplodey that was about to happen when all the people who keep telling me that I'm a classic Taurus had to get used to the idea that REALLY, I'M AN ARIES. I was kind of disappointed when the whole thing was debunked.

Then again, I know how it would go. Just like it always goes, people would simply whitewash their memories and turn my entire 40-year history into one in which it makes perfect sense that I'm really an Aries.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 14, 2011, 04:26:01 PM
Also, I still don't know what signs my kids are. This horrifies people, so I make it a point to never retain that information when people tell me.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Suu on January 14, 2011, 04:43:42 PM
It's not really important. Very rarely do people ask me what my sign is during normal conversation anyway. I will get the "when's your birthday?" followed by, "OH MY GOD YOU'RE A FUCKING LEO! *hiss*" on occasion. But I could really care less.

I figure I'm just a selfish, creative bitch naturally.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Jenne on January 14, 2011, 04:49:22 PM
Quote from: Rumckle on January 14, 2011, 07:28:58 AM

Also, this site is mildly amusing:
http://bitterhoroscopes.com/

Aw, damn. :

QuoteHoroscopes for January 14th, 2011
Cancer
June 21 - July 22

Be nice to someone today. You might not have tomorrow. Seriously. This is your last day.

Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Sir Squid Diddimus on January 14, 2011, 05:18:10 PM
Once again Cram is the voice of reason  :lol:
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Suu on January 14, 2011, 05:35:35 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 14, 2011, 04:49:22 PM
Quote from: Rumckle on January 14, 2011, 07:28:58 AM

Also, this site is mildly amusing:
http://bitterhoroscopes.com/

Aw, damn. :

QuoteHoroscopes for January 14th, 2011
Cancer
June 21 - July 22

Be nice to someone today. You might not have tomorrow. Seriously. This is your last day.


That's like the shit I write.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Triple Zero on January 14, 2011, 10:10:11 PM
Quote from: Suu on January 14, 2011, 04:43:42 PM
It's not really important. Very rarely do people ask me what my sign is during normal conversation anyway. I will get the "when's your birthday?" followed by, "OH MY GOD YOU'RE A FUCKING LEO! *hiss*" on occasion. But I could really care less.

I figure I'm just a selfish, creative bitch naturally.

LEO - Stay away from single socks this week. Somebody you trust will give you a plant, while having your seat. Something you planned will have the seeds of trust. Do not go to Cyprus.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: the last yatto on January 15, 2011, 03:18:51 AM
Its still based on the sky, but the marketable part slowly dropped the actual chart. Seasons matched nature or so they say. Most have made up for this by including the sign before or after whatever is closer in days. So I'm a aries/tarus
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Don Coyote on January 15, 2011, 04:41:56 AM
But...fuck...the debunking of the debunking done made my headsplodey...why is tropical astrology called astrology if it's not based off the stars?

Should call it tropical geology.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: the last yatto on January 15, 2011, 04:55:30 AM
You expected pagans to make sense?
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Don Coyote on January 15, 2011, 04:59:35 AM
Quote from: Able on January 15, 2011, 04:55:30 AM
You expected pagans people to make sense?
Yes. But as always I am mislead forgetting that the average person is significantly less intelligent and rational than me and that most of them even less so.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 15, 2011, 05:24:21 AM
NO. It's the position of the constellations in the sky, as seen Earth, at any given time of year. You have to know the time of year in order to know where the stars are supposed to be. Think of it as a navigational system and forget about the fortunetelling part. It totally makes sense.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: the last yatto on January 15, 2011, 07:53:59 AM
did you know most old people have Eris housed in Libra, while the younger generation its resting with her brother Aries
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 15, 2011, 08:16:35 AM
I don't know what the fuck that means, but cool?
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: the last yatto on January 15, 2011, 08:43:16 AM
something about having balanced chaos/order where as our chaos energies  is stuck with the god of war
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Jasper on January 15, 2011, 07:04:02 PM
I'm sure he'll put it to good use.