Principia Discordia

Have any of you read this?
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I'm sure you've at least heard of it. Let me sum up:
1. You have the power to magically attract all the things in life that you want.
2. You DESERVE all good things.
3. Bad things happen to you because you're attracting them with your negative thoughts.
4. Thinking about the bad things at all (ie: SEEING them) makes them worse and continues the cycle.

Okay, look: I have no problem with the so-called "power of positive thinking." I believe that if you're a positive person and you focus on the good shit in your life, you'll tend to behave in a fashion that begets more good shit. I also believe that you minimize the psychological pain for yourself by shelving your troubles. I also believe that by acting "as if," you can behave in ways that occasionally put you in a better position to achieve certain goals for yourself and reduce the chance of unintended self-sabotage.

I do not believe that we are cosmically entitled to certain outcomes, and that by attempting to will them towards ourselves, we will get them.

I do not believe that "maybe if we think really hard, we can stop this rain."

What I do believe is while possibly well-intentioned, this book has become fuel for the lazy, the selfish and the sociopathic. I have seen this in action and it's really insidious the way this "cosmic entitlement" thing is used to justify all kinds of evil bullshit.

This year, I moved to my hometown in NY to be "roomies" with a very close, old friend whom I once respected and trusted. The intent of the living situation was one of mutual benefit.

At some point, I watched that friend physically assault a person. Then, I witnessed my friend's relative living in the house who is a NYC police officer take his side and lie to the Suffolk County police when they were called on the scene. This caused a whole heap of problems for the victim who eventually ended up moving out, getting a divorce, etc.

What it also did was create a favorable situation for my friend and the relative who had both wanted to get rid of the victim...a situation they attributed to The Secret. And then, they rolled with that.

The friend went on to see this little stroke of "fortune" as a sign that things were going his way from now on. He went on to license himself to make a whole heap of poor, selfish and harmful decisions. He gave these decisions no true thought...no mature cognitive thought whatsoever, no consideration for consequences at all because to do so would be drawing negativity into the picture.

Any attempts to counsel said friend heaped a shitstorm of temper-tantrums and verbal abuse upon myself--by merely thinking about these things, I was causing them to happen. He accused me of (I shit you not) "fucking with his goodness." We had endless fights in which he basically threw shit, broke things, sabotaged other people's good times, stomped around and generally acted like an evil, cruel, fucking bastard because the rest of us in the house (by having any problems, feelings or objections whatsoever) were all fucking with his goodness.

At one point, he even tried to accuse me of attracting the freezing weather because I expressed concern over not letting my wines (which were temporarily stored in the garage) freeze and be ruined as Autumn turned to Winter.

The "roomie" situation ended in a very bad way...for me. The friendship is on its way out too: I'm slow to anger, but as time goes on and I reflect, I feel more and more violated...more and more embittered by L'Enfant Terribles and his spiritually affirming orgy of psychic pyromania.

The friend, of course, took my leaving as yet another "sign." One of liberation from my negativity that was wrecking his perfect fucking wave of happy in a perfect life of total, fucking goodness. He wanted me out, he willed the outcome and he got it. But honestly, after months of drowning in this particular pile of shit, the "goodness" is all mine. Trust.

I find this ambiguous, undisciplined brand of spiritualistic mind-fuckery to be more dangerous than Christianity (Christians will burn down your house in the name of jeebus, but at least they won't try to convince you that YOU burned down your house after it's done). Until my above personal experience, I considered it harmless. Others have tried to get me onboard by claiming it would "change my life." I politely poo-poo'd in favor of letting others have their own beliefs. "To each, his own" and all that.

I think next time someone offers me the book, I'll take it as a sign that I'm fated to rape their sticky, blathering mouf-hole with it...or maybe I'll just will them to fuck themselves.

I'm a nice girl, after all. :)

Preach it!  That's a pretty messed up story.  Blaming other people for your negativity is wonderful!  It's no surprise that the reactions get progressively worse as the individual gets more and more invested in the narrative about other people poisoning their innate goodness  :x

It gives me an idea though:

1) Figure out some feel-good shit people like to hear about themselves
2) Sell it
3) Profit

Shit like this makes me want to kill a motherfucker. For goodness sake.

:mittens:

There are times when it seems that whole industry's sole purpose is to alleviate the west's guilt for eating the rest of the world. "They WANT to be slaves to their debts without hope of escape or clean water." "Those kids CHOSE to make sneakers for a living, before they were even born just as I chose this cushy life." And then it rolls downhill from there.

When that book first came out I glanced through it and saw a hamfisted rehashing of what had been written in so much occult and new age literature I named it Chicken Soup for the New-Age Soul. Turns out one of the guys who put it together is Jack Canfield, editor of the Chicken Soup series. Ha. Ha. 

What im being taught (more or less so  :lol:) is that the secret is... NARCISSISM

But so many people talk about "The Secret" and its such an important phenomenon that i might have to read it to really understand the dumbness that it sums up.

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on February 06, 2011, 08:26:57 PM

What im being taught (more or less so  :lol:) is that the secret is... NARCISSISM

Yeah, man.

I've always thought prayer was a little narcissistic, actually. I mean, take the Jews during the Holocaust--hell, just take the Jewish mommies: I'm sure out of the millions or so women who had children, there were thousands and thousands of them who prayed "Please, oh please, God, don't let this nazi fuckhead hurt my baby." Out of THOSE, I'm sure there were a few thousand who said "Fuck it, I'll pray to any God that's listening...you know, just in case we're wrong about that whole Jesus thing or Allah thing." I'm certain of it.

Now cut to Wheel of Fortune. Focus in on some lady in an ugly, flowered dress praying that God-uh helps her win on a game show.

QuoteBut so many people talk about "The Secret" and its such an important phenomenon that i might have to read it to really understand the dumbness that it sums up.

It's important to them because half of the message is that there are no mistakes--we are each a perfectly designed creature who deserves to have all our dreams come true. That there's no limit to the wealth and love and success we can attract using this method. That's excellent news if you have problems you don't want to face. Shitty news for the people left in your life who still haven't walked out the door yet.

Pardon me, but I much prefer the concept of Chaos Magic: It sounds like a lot more fun and people generally come to their senses and start thinking rationally after they pop a good one off. I fully endorse any practice that encourages masturbation as a vehicle.

Nasty story. Unfortunately I think variations on the theme are extremely common.

It's basically what psychologists call the Just World Phenomenon, but in this case it's dressed up in New Age clothes.

Here's an excellent analysis by the RSAnimate people and Barbara Ehrenreich that looks at this trend of delusional positivity, and how it relates to The Secret:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvo

Theres this radio show with some doctor, and one time he was relating a case he observed of a paranoid-schizophrenic patient... the patient always had delusions about how the Twin Towers would come to collapse... then 9/11 happened, and he was terrified of when the FBI would come to get him...

So yeah, this is an extreme case, but its important to point out the process that took place in his little head... first is the grandeur of "i have special powers to predict the future"... you add some coincidence to the situation and it jumps to attributting to himself the causality... "i didnt just predict it i CAUSED it"...

But thats just a kind of cultural teachings intrinsec to Western culture associated from the Renaissance... man has unlimited potential and capacity, its just up to his will and desire to mold and shape the world... nature and its environment is a thing to be submited to its power (add the industrial revolution)... and all this leads to every dipshit thinking that their environment doesnt affect them at all... notion that is very comftable to government and laissez faire capitalism... "you are poor because you are lazy, dumb or you want to be", not because theres unfair competition and we are ruled by vultures.

My brother got into that sort of shit for a while, and he's still recovering from it. He wasn't far from turning into an asshole.  :sadbanana:

Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on February 06, 2011, 10:21:29 PM
Here's an excellent analysis by the RSAnimate people and Barbara Ehrenreich that looks at this trend of delusional positivity, and how it relates to The Secret:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvo

This is rather brilliant. Thanks.

A funny aside: My sister thought the blame I got as The Bringer of The Christmas Blizzard was so funny, she bought me one of these as a joke:
(http://www.thechildmindingshop.co.uk/ekmps/shops/thecs/images/mini-grow-your-own-four-leaf-clover-kit-mini-book-included-4835-p.jpg)

I'm still getting ribbed for attracting the recent nation-wide snowstorm that just blew through.

Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on February 06, 2011, 10:21:29 PM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvo

I take it back, not only is this brilliant, it's soooooo validating right now and just what I needed.

The sad part about this whole situation is that it hurt a LOT more than I'm letting on here. The friend was actually a life-long childhood friend whom I love(d) very deeply. I was willing to stretch myself pretty far to accommodate him and help him deal with his shit--even keeping my own cautiously-athiest-agnosticism under wraps and "opening my mind" to his positive-thinking scene.

This just underscores why none of us should ever let ourselves get passively sucked into what we know in our hearts to be bullshit.

two words...psychokinesis.

no really

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 07, 2011, 11:10:08 AM
two words...psychokinesis.

no really

1)Brain sends signal to limb to move in a certain direction in order to achieve the end result of moving an object.
2)The signal is processed by the nerves in the limb and it behaves as an actuator, transferring kinetic energy to the object
3)The objects overall momentum is changed by this kinetic energy.

4) HOLY SHIT MAGIC IS REAL PYSCHOKINISESFTW

of course psychokinesis is a secret..

shhhhudup.

nayayer boogyman

fuck the secret

I'm (usually) an optimist. And this is because focusing on the good has brought a lot of good into my life.

But when you embark on something, you have to be prepared for the bad too. And you have to think about this and brace yourself for it and treat it as real. We must draw STRENGTH from adversity, instead of trying to blind ourselves to it.

When you embark on a journey, you have to accept that part of that journey involves TOTAL BULLSHIT. You can't get to point B without some pain along the way. Simply avoiding negative situations will truncate both your progress and growth.



Hey, btw, you still in NYC?

This being human is a guest house.
Every morning a new arrival.
A joy, a depression, a meanness,
some momentary awareness comes as an unexpected visitor.
Welcome and entertain them all!
Even if they're a crowd of sorrows,
who violently sweep your house
empty of its furniture,
still, treat each guest honorably.
He may be clearing you out
for some new delight.
The dark thought the shame, the malice,
meet them at the door laughing,
and invite them in.
Be grateful for whoever comes,
because each has been sent as a guide from beyond.


     -Rumi

Quote from: Cramulus on February 07, 2011, 03:12:00 PM
fuck the secret

I'm (usually) an optimist. And this is because focusing on the good has brought a lot of good into my life.

But when you embark on something, you have to be prepared for the bad too. And you have to think about this and brace yourself for it and treat it as real. We must draw STRENGTH from adversity, instead of trying to blind ourselves to it.

When you embark on a journey, you have to accept that part of that journey involves TOTAL BULLSHIT. You can't get to point B without some pain along the way. Simply avoiding negative situations will truncate both your progress and growth.



Hey, btw, you still in NYC?

THIS.

Here at the First Church of the Wrath of Baby Jesus, we drop our pance and roll in adversity.

I like to reverse engineer The Secret, namely:

"If bad things happen to you, it is because you subconsciously wished for it and felt like you deserved it"

Get anyone who believes in The Secret nonsense to concede to this point and then bring up 9/11 or the Holocaust.  Hilarity ensues.

Quote from: Cain on February 07, 2011, 03:23:01 PM
I like to reverse engineer The Secret, namely:

"If bad things happen to you, it is because you subconsciously wished for it and felt like you deserved it"

Get anyone who believes in The Secret nonsense to concede to this point and then bring up 9/11 or the Holocaust.  Hilarity ensues.

I'm pretty sure I could use that as a primer to making them believe the reptile overlords conspiracy :evil:

Problem is I never seem to meet these muppets. :cry:

David Icke has a forum.

When I last checked though, it was divided between those who believe there is a reptilian conspiracy, those who believe the reptilian conspiracy is just another level of disinformation, and then there are those who believe V is a documentary and all of the above, including Icke, are shills and government agents secretly beaming thoughts into their heads.

Quote from: Cain on February 07, 2011, 06:06:17 PM
David Icke has a forum.

When I last checked though, it was divided between those who believe there is a reptilian conspiracy, those who believe the reptilian conspiracy is just another level of disinformation, and then there are those who believe V is a documentary and all of the above, including Icke, are shills and government agents secretly beaming thoughts into their heads.

Fuck people. I just don't understand them.

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 07, 2011, 11:10:08 AM
two words...psychokinesis.

no really

this is supposed to be some sort of a joke, right?



right?

Quote from: Rip City Hustle on February 07, 2011, 07:23:19 PM

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 07, 2011, 11:10:08 AM
two words...psychokinesis.

no really

this is supposed to be some sort of a joke, right?



right?

Is it wrong for me to hope it isn't a joke?

Quote from: Rip City Hustle on February 07, 2011, 07:23:19 PM

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 07, 2011, 11:10:08 AM
two words...psychokinesis.

no really

this is supposed to be some sort of a joke, right?



right?

No, Ob_Portu really believes in shit like that.

Quote from: Faust on February 07, 2011, 11:41:54 AM

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 07, 2011, 11:10:08 AM
two words...psychokinesis.

no really

1)Brain sends signal to limb to move in a certain direction in order to achieve the end result of moving an object.
2)The signal is processed by the nerves in the limb and it behaves as an actuator, transferring kinetic energy to the object
3)The objects overall momentum is changed by this kinetic energy.

4) HOLY SHIT MAGIC IS REAL PYSCHOKINISESFTW

I used to shit like that to my friend that was convinced she could levitate stuff if only she could figure it out.
I would tell her to watch very carefully as I used my mind to move objects, and then pick it up with my hands.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 07, 2011, 07:52:38 PM

Quote from: Rip City Hustle on February 07, 2011, 07:23:19 PM

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 07, 2011, 11:10:08 AM
two words...psychokinesis.

no really

this is supposed to be some sort of a joke, right?



right?

No, Ob_Portu really believes in shit like that.

Yikes. They should make it just a tad more difficult to log on to the internet.

Quote from: Rip City Hustle on February 07, 2011, 08:45:01 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 07, 2011, 07:52:38 PM

Quote from: Rip City Hustle on February 07, 2011, 07:23:19 PM

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 07, 2011, 11:10:08 AM
two words...psychokinesis.

no really

this is supposed to be some sort of a joke, right?



right?

No, Ob_Portu really believes in shit like that.

Yikes. They should make it just a tad more difficult to log on to the internet.

Then all you'd get is obsessive, OCD freaks that...

...um

Quote from: Cramulus on February 07, 2011, 03:13:44 PM
This being human is a guest house.
Every morning a new arrival.
A joy, a depression, a meanness,
some momentary awareness comes as an unexpected visitor.
Welcome and entertain them all!
Even if they're a crowd of sorrows,
who violently sweep your house
empty of its furniture,
still, treat each guest honorably.
He may be clearing you out
for some new delight.
The dark thought the shame, the malice,
meet them at the door laughing,
and invite them in.
Be grateful for whoever comes,
because each has been sent as a guide from beyond.


     -Rumi

This is fucking fantastic. I'd like to think I kind of *do* live my life like this (mostly because I've always had the odd sense of *not* being the star of my own life) but it's reaaaally difficult to remember to welcome an tolerate houseguests when they keep you up until 4AM with their wailing, they deliberately start fires and they've brought with them a pet--a Llama--and it's shitting on your lawn.

I'm back on the Gulf Coast for now--going back to school starting here but I'll be visiting NY in May for a little while and then again after Summer semester ends in August.

Quote from: Cain on February 07, 2011, 03:23:01 PM
I like to reverse engineer The Secret, namely:

"If bad things happen to you, it is because you subconsciously wished for it and felt like you deserved it"

Get anyone who believes in The Secret nonsense to concede to this point and then bring up 9/11 or the Holocaust.  Hilarity ensues.

You really should watch that Barbara Ehrenreich thing NET put out. She goes into how Rhonda Byrne was cornered by someone asking exactly that: "What about the people who suffered the Tsunami?"

Her answer was that they all must've have been putting "Tsunami-like VIIIIIBES into the YOONEEVURSSS."

I rather prefer the notion that "if you can't pray the AIDS away, God must want you to die." At least there's someone ELSE to blame.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 07, 2011, 08:46:26 PM

Quote from: Rip City Hustle on February 07, 2011, 08:45:01 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 07, 2011, 07:52:38 PM

Quote from: Rip City Hustle on February 07, 2011, 07:23:19 PM

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 07, 2011, 11:10:08 AM
two words...psychokinesis.

no really

this is supposed to be some sort of a joke, right?



right?

No, Ob_Portu really believes in shit like that.

Yikes. They should make it just a tad more difficult to log on to the internet.

Then all you'd get is obsessive, OCD freaks that...

...um

:lulz:

Never heard of this book before, but I have often snorted with derision at anyone who buys into the whole "Cosmic Ordering" bullshit. (Noel Edmunds, for one)
A good antidote to anyone who's made the mistake of giving any credence to it's veracity as a phenomena, would be to read "Diceman", a far more honest and potentially dangerous way to absolve ones self from the day to day responsibilities of
actions / consequences.
The idea that God is cubic, and you can carry him in your pocket, and consult him whenever you like, pleases me on far more levels than "Sending my vibes out into teh yoonivurse" does.

Quote from: Cain on February 07, 2011, 06:06:17 PM
David Icke has a forum.

When I last checked though, it was divided between those who believe there is a reptilian conspiracy, those who believe the reptilian conspiracy is just another level of disinformation, and then there are those who believe V is a documentary and all of the above, including Icke, are shills and government agents secretly beaming thoughts into their heads.

I had a youtube comment battle with a real honest to goodness David Icke believer(checked his channel it was full of clips from V and They Live). He said that human females and reptile females both have a  single sex hormone in common. Based on this evidence he concluded that humans have cross breed with reptiles at some point in time. When I asked him how the hormone in any way proved the reptile theory he accused me of "Intellectual dishonesty" and of having "cognitive dissonance".

When I asked him how I displayed cognitive dissonance he said something along the lines of: "Wow you must be really brainwashed if you cant see the cognitive dissonance you have right now."

Then he stopped responding to me.

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 09, 2011, 03:39:19 AM

Quote from: Cain on February 07, 2011, 06:06:17 PM
David Icke has a forum.

When I last checked though, it was divided between those who believe there is a reptilian conspiracy, those who believe the reptilian conspiracy is just another level of disinformation, and then there are those who believe V is a documentary and all of the above, including Icke, are shills and government agents secretly beaming thoughts into their heads.

I had a youtube comment battle with a real honest to goodness David Icke believer(checked his channel it was full of clips from V and They Live). He said that human females and reptile females both have a  single sex hormone in common. Based on this evidence he concluded that humans have cross breed with reptiles at some point in time. When I asked him how the hormone in any way proved the reptile theory he accused me of "Intellectual dishonesty" and of having "cognitive dissonance".

When I asked him how I displayed cognitive dissonance he said something along the lines of: "Wow you must be really brainwashed if you cant see the cognitive dissonance you have right now."

Then he stopped responding to me.

You know the Reps sometimes duck out, and hibernate for a few years at a time, don't you? Like the Queen Mother is doing at the moment. They slowly used up Margaret for spares over the years, so now they need to wait for another Princess of the right strain to come along. I think relying on Edward and Sophie Wessex to produce anything  other than recessive filled broodstock is being a little optimistic  though.
Anne's ferocity precludes Zara from being interfered with. If Anne had been the boy she was supposed to have been, then things would have been very different. She would have had to have married the  Spencer's Stuart / Bruce bloodline, which would have meant a 4th Generation linebred shifter as a Monarch, and we've not had one of those since HenryII/Edward Longshanks. (Same person) Henry Hibernated in 1189, slept for 50 years, then re-emerged as Edward the first. Might conceivably have been James I as well.

Fucking Lizards. *spits*  They make my shit itch like a wire spider.!  Next thing they'll be having to rely on one of Victoria's latch clutch of eggs, and we all know that she was so riddled with defective genes like Porphyria, Haemophilia, and Lycanthropy, that whatever hatches from one of them is as likely to be closer to the Loch Ness Monster than the Queen. Seeing as the Danish and Scottish Royal Bloodlines all came from Loch Ness anyway
it doesn't make much difference. That's where all the sickly throwbacks among the Hybrids  get dumped anyway.  Some of them obviously more robust than were thought.  

Quote from: BadBeast on February 09, 2011, 07:10:13 AM

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 09, 2011, 03:39:19 AM

Quote from: Cain on February 07, 2011, 06:06:17 PM
David Icke has a forum.

When I last checked though, it was divided between those who believe there is a reptilian conspiracy, those who believe the reptilian conspiracy is just another level of disinformation, and then there are those who believe V is a documentary and all of the above, including Icke, are shills and government agents secretly beaming thoughts into their heads.

I had a youtube comment battle with a real honest to goodness David Icke believer(checked his channel it was full of clips from V and They Live). He said that human females and reptile females both have a  single sex hormone in common. Based on this evidence he concluded that humans have cross breed with reptiles at some point in time. When I asked him how the hormone in any way proved the reptile theory he accused me of "Intellectual dishonesty" and of having "cognitive dissonance".

When I asked him how I displayed cognitive dissonance he said something along the lines of: "Wow you must be really brainwashed if you cant see the cognitive dissonance you have right now."

Then he stopped responding to me.

You know the Reps sometimes duck out, and hibernate for a few years at a time, don't you? Like the Queen Mother is doing at the moment. They slowly used up Margaret for spares over the years, so now they need to wait for another Princess of the right strain to come along. I think relying on Edward and Sophie Wessex to produce anything  other than recessive filled broodstock is being a little optimistic  though.
Anne's ferocity precludes Zara from being interfered with. If Anne had been the boy she was supposed to have been, then things would have been very different. She would have had to have married the  Spencer's Stuart / Bruce bloodline, which would have meant a 4th Generation linebred shifter as a Monarch, and we've not had one of those since HenryII/Edward Longshanks. (Same person) Henry Hibernated in 1189, slept for 50 years, then re-emerged as Edward the first. Might conceivably have been James I as well.

Fucking Lizards. *spits*  They make my shit itch like a wire spider.!  Next thing they'll be having to rely on one of Victoria's latch clutch of eggs, and we all know that she was so riddled with defective genes like Porphyria, Haemophilia, and Lycanthropy, that whatever hatches from one of them is as likely to be closer to the Loch Ness Monster than the Queen. Seeing as the Danish and Scottish Royal Bloodlines all came from Loch Ness anyway
it doesn't make much difference. That's where all the sickly throwbacks among the Hybrids  get dumped anyway.  Some of them obviously more robust than were thought.  

:lulz:

I wonder what RAW thought about the reptile theory.

In Illuminatus, I think Hagbard rattles off some bunkum about Gruad Grayface mixing reptile genes with the Atlantean bloodlines to produce his hairless, pale skinned Illuminati genotype. This was the cause of the civil war in Atlantis, and the defeated Justified Ancients of Mu Mu took their pure Atlantean blood off to America, to await their long prophecied Messiah, Jimmy Cauty, so they could form the KLF / JAMS Alliance, and record with Tammy Wynette.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frd5YmSjjII&playnext=1&list=PL56522413052BFE42

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gzkllCIyww&feature=related

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 09, 2011, 03:39:19 AM

Quote from: Cain on February 07, 2011, 06:06:17 PM
David Icke has a forum.

When I last checked though, it was divided between those who believe there is a reptilian conspiracy, those who believe the reptilian conspiracy is just another level of disinformation, and then there are those who believe V is a documentary and all of the above, including Icke, are shills and government agents secretly beaming thoughts into their heads.

I had a youtube comment battle with a real honest to goodness David Icke believer(checked his channel it was full of clips from V and They Live). He said that human females and reptile females both have a  single sex hormone in common. Based on this evidence he concluded that humans have cross breed with reptiles at some point in time. When I asked him how the hormone in any way proved the reptile theory he accused me of "Intellectual dishonesty" and of having "cognitive dissonance".

When I asked him how I displayed cognitive dissonance he said something along the lines of: "Wow you must be really brainwashed if you cant see the cognitive dissonance you have right now."

Then he stopped responding to me.

That's almost as painful as creationists accusing scientists of not understanding science.

Quote from: BadBeast on February 09, 2011, 08:00:48 AM
In Illuminatus, I think Hagbard rattles off some bunkum about Gruad Grayface mixing reptile genes with the Atlantean bloodlines to produce his hairless, pale skinned Illuminati genotype. This was the cause of the civil war in Atlantis, and the defeated Justified Ancients of Mu Mu took their pure Atlantean blood off to America, to await their long prophecied Messiah, Jimmy Cauty, so they could form the KLF / JAMS Alliance, and record with Tammy Wynette.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frd5YmSjjII&playnext=1&list=PL56522413052BFE42

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gzkllCIyww&feature=related

<3.
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Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 09, 2011, 03:39:19 AM

Quote from: Cain on February 07, 2011, 06:06:17 PM
David Icke has a forum.

When I last checked though, it was divided between those who believe there is a reptilian conspiracy, those who believe the reptilian conspiracy is just another level of disinformation, and then there are those who believe V is a documentary and all of the above, including Icke, are shills and government agents secretly beaming thoughts into their heads.

I had a youtube comment battle with a real honest to goodness David Icke believer(checked his channel it was full of clips from V and They Live). He said that human females and reptile females both have a  single sex hormone in common. Based on this evidence he concluded that humans have cross breed with reptiles at some point in time. When I asked him how the hormone in any way proved the reptile theory he accused me of "Intellectual dishonesty" and of having "cognitive dissonance".

When I asked him how I displayed cognitive dissonance he said something along the lines of: "Wow you must be really brainwashed if you cant see the cognitive dissonance you have right now."

Then he stopped responding to me.

Sounds like a typical conversation with the Celestine Prophesy/What The Bleep-tards.

Ugh.  I had a messy 3-way relationship fall to pieces, in part because one of them read CP and became insufferably retarded, even after I read it and tried to explain the retardation to her.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on February 09, 2011, 02:27:33 PM
Ugh.  I had a messy 3-way relationship fall to pieces, in part because one of them read CP and became insufferably retarded, even after I read it and tried to explain the retardation to her.

I've given up. I just tell them to go "make their day" and argue with the water molecules or something.

There's a car parks round the corner from my house that's all covered in vinyls for "Celestine Workshop" or some shit. Sooner or later I'm going to cave in, knock their door and fuck with them until they're screaming for me to stop :evil:

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on February 09, 2011, 02:27:33 PM
Ugh.  I had a messy 3-way relationship fall to pieces, in part because one of them read CP and became insufferably retarded, even after I read it and tried to explain the retardation to her.

Im a bit ignorant here, what exactly is celestine prophecy?

It's what happens when hippes hear about the Schrodinger's Cat theory and then fall to pieces trying to select their concurrent outcome.

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 09, 2011, 02:33:45 PM
Im a bit ignorant here, what exactly is celestine prophecy?

One of the shittiest books I have ever read.  When I read it, it was under the impression it was a true story, so I gave the horrendous writing the benefit of the doubt (this was around 1994-1995)... but it quickly became clear that the entire story was being made up wholecloth by someone who had no idea how a story works.

The main thing I got from it was the "fact" that every person you make eye contact with means something to your life.  It was a good way to pick up girls for a while there.  Other than that, it's patent bullshit.

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 09, 2011, 02:33:45 PM

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on February 09, 2011, 02:27:33 PM
Ugh.  I had a messy 3-way relationship fall to pieces, in part because one of them read CP and became insufferably retarded, even after I read it and tried to explain the retardation to her.

Im a bit ignorant here, what exactly is celestine prophecy?

In the mid 90s, someone chopped up all the misunderstood New Age, Native American, and Quantum Physics concepts they could find, and Law-of-Five'd together into a single poorly-written story that got literally everything wrong.  It was quite a stunning feat.

Unfortunately, a lot of people belived it.

Quote from: Hoopla on February 09, 2011, 02:40:12 PM

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 09, 2011, 02:33:45 PM
Im a bit ignorant here, what exactly is celestine prophecy?

One of the shittiest books I have ever read.  When I read it, it was under the impression it was a true story, so I gave the horrendous writing the benefit of the doubt (this was around 1994-1995)... but it quickly became clear that the entire story was being made up wholecloth by someone who had no idea how a story works.

The main thing I got from it was the "fact" that every person you make eye contact with means something to your life.  It was a good way to pick up girls for a while there.  Other than that, it's patent bullshit.

Agreed but now I'm no longer single it just needs destroyed

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 09, 2011, 02:43:46 PM

Quote from: Hoopla on February 09, 2011, 02:40:12 PM

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 09, 2011, 02:33:45 PM
Im a bit ignorant here, what exactly is celestine prophecy?

One of the shittiest books I have ever read.  When I read it, it was under the impression it was a true story, so I gave the horrendous writing the benefit of the doubt (this was around 1994-1995)... but it quickly became clear that the entire story was being made up wholecloth by someone who had no idea how a story works.

The main thing I got from it was the "fact" that every person you make eye contact with means something to your life.  It was a good way to pick up girls for a while there.  Other than that, it's patent bullshit.

Agreed but now I'm no longer single it just needs destroyed

Agreed.

I never read it, but somewhere along the way I got given a
"The Celestine Prophecy Pocket Guide to the Nine Insights" .
Needless to say, It has been my constant companion, and comfort ever since. I dip into it for inspiration ar least 8 times a day, and I am constantly surprised at the almost spooky insights it blesses my life with.  It's because of this little book, that I am aware of my personal mission in life, and this has enabled me to "Engage the Flow". This is instrumental in developing an interpersonal ethic, that really engages me with the world, and allows me to have a positive energy interaction with everyone around me. Because everything is a field of sacred energy, that follows the Newtonian worldview, but goes much much further, into dynamic fields of energy that extend from our consciousness.
I know you are sceptical, so was I. At first. But when I began recieving synchronistic information from the very Universe itself, I was convinced! Oh yes!  And combined with my twice weekly Sigil Charging workshop, I finally feel like my life is going somewhere.   :fap: :fap: :fap:

I vomited, just from reading that.  Thanks.

I'm sorry, still better out than in, eh?   :D

Quote from: BadBeast on February 09, 2011, 04:44:05 PM
I'm sorry, still better out than in, eh?   :D

Only when you mop up after yourself.

 

Quote from: Luna on February 09, 2011, 04:44:56 PM

Quote from: BadBeast on February 09, 2011, 04:44:05 PM
I'm sorry, still better out than in, eh?   :D

Only when you mop up after yourself.

Ah, Yes, that all falls under the Seventh Insight, "Engaging the Flow"   :evil:

Quote from: navkat on February 07, 2011, 11:13:53 PM
You really should watch that Barbara Ehrenreich thing NET put out. She goes into how Rhonda Byrne was cornered by someone asking exactly that: "What about the people who suffered the Tsunami?"

Her answer was that they all must've have been putting "Tsunami-like VIIIIIBES into the YOONEEVURSSS."

I rather prefer the notion that "if you can't pray the AIDS away, God must want you to die." At least there's someone ELSE to blame.

I do remember hearing her writing a book and doing talks about why The Secret and its various ilk are bullshit blame-the-victim routines, so, one day when my internet wont crap out on me, I'll definitely check it out.

I've always liked the idea of the Universe as a series of rule-bounded yet essentially random events with no inner meaning myself, but even a vengeful God is a better hypothesis than "you created tsunami vibrations LOLOLOLOLOL".

I wan't to create Tsunami vibrations.
I cant get the tesla machine working right though, but when I do lets just say I'm really going to shake things up around here.

Quote from: BadBeast on February 09, 2011, 04:19:55 PM
, and I am constantly surprised at the almost spooky insights it blesses my life with. 

You just made the Queen cry, butchering her English like that.

Quote from: Faust on February 09, 2011, 05:23:32 PM
I wan't to create Tsunami vibrations.
I cant get the tesla machine working right though, but when I do lets just say I'm really going to shake things up around here.

You need to listen teh universe, it's trying to help you. Open yourself up to quantum truthiness vibrations and you'll have that tesla machine working in no time

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 09, 2011, 05:59:25 PM

Quote from: Faust on February 09, 2011, 05:23:32 PM
I wan't to create Tsunami vibrations.
I cant get the tesla machine working right though, but when I do lets just say I'm really going to shake things up around here.

You need to listen teh universe, it's trying to help you. Open yourself up to quantum truthiness vibrations and you'll have that tesla machine working in no time

My face = your avatar.

No shit.

 :lulz:

btw - you have no idea how often bullshit like that has gotten my dick wet :evil:

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 09, 2011, 06:12:24 PM
:lulz:

btw - you have no idea how often bullshit like that has gotten my dick wet :evil:

Pentagram:  Stomping on future generations, one hippie chick at a time.

I'm trying to breed the stupid out of them, kinda like the Moors did with the Sicilians in that Dennis Hopper speech only I'm targetting braincells, not colour :lulz:

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 09, 2011, 06:28:03 PM
I'm trying to breed the stupid out of them, kinda like the Moors did with the Sicilians in that Dennis Hopper speech only I'm targetting braincells, not colour :lulz:

...And replacing it with Scotsman.

:madbanana:

A master race of superintelligent drunken psychopaths :thanks:

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 09, 2011, 06:34:32 PM
A master race of superintelligent drunken psychopaths :thanks:

...Whose history is based on the following program:

1.  Get current crop of kids old enough to breed.

2.  Send current crop of kids - having just had time to breed - boiling out of the hills to be killed by the English.  This should be done by deciding to settle clan feuds while in the middle of a battle with the English.

3.  See #1.

Exactly! What could possibly go wrong?  :lulz:

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 09, 2011, 06:12:24 PM
:lulz:

btw - you have no idea how often bullshit like that has gotten my dick wet :evil:

I had a boyfriend in 10th grade who about one month after we started dating, claimed he could ionize the air and bust invisible evil cloud-spirits with his mind.

Any and all feelings of infatuation for this boy quickly dissipated. I mean, I was immediately repulsed...it was that strong.

I have no idea how this could possibly work in reverse for anyone. I'm beginning to think that there are "spiritual/delusional orientations" in much the way that there are sexual orientations--some people who are just naturally predisposed to feel a sense of truthiness about bullshit because for me, the revulsion was basal and immediate. I had no choice in the matter: after the "cloud-demon" speech, the boy was toast.

Quote from: navkat on February 09, 2011, 11:08:07 PM

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 09, 2011, 06:12:24 PM
:lulz:

btw - you have no idea how often bullshit like that has gotten my dick wet :evil:

I had a boyfriend in 10th grade who about one month after we started dating, claimed he could ionize the air and bust invisible evil cloud-spirits with his mind.

Any and all feelings of infatuation for this boy quickly dissipated. I mean, I was immediately repulsed...it was that strong.

I have no idea how this could possibly work in reverse for anyone. I'm beginning to think that there are "spiritual/delusional orientations" in much the way that there are sexual orientations--some people who are just naturally predisposed to feel a sense of truthiness about bullshit because for me, the revulsion was basal and immediate. I had no choice in the matter: after the "cloud-demon" speech, the boy was toast.

Heh! Protip: don't use this line on real people. You'll know the kind of freak this shit will work on before they even look at you with those manic eyes and ask if you've ever read/watched - insert newage bullshit here - If they're cute, nail 'em  8)

microkinesis is pretty well substantiated
you know, effecting the probable outcome of random number generaters and what not
life is a lot of chance events

ie:you do the math

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 01:06:17 AM
microkinesis is pretty well substantiated
you know, effecting the probabilty of random number generaters and what not
life is a lot of chance events

ie:you do the math

You bring the proof.

Yeah, I'm going to have to ask for scientific journal articles for this.

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 01:06:17 AM
microkinesis is pretty well substantiated
you know, effecting the probable outcome of random number generaters and what not
life is a lot of chance events

ie:you do the math

Ive heard about it being proved by quantum theory, like Schrodinger's cat on a microscopic level, that if you believe it goes a certain way, your psychic energies will influence it - and then its the butterfly effect, one small effect turns into a huge one.

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on February 11, 2011, 01:15:29 AM

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 01:06:17 AM
microkinesis is pretty well substantiated
you know, effecting the probable outcome of random number generaters and what not
life is a lot of chance events

ie:you do the math

Ive heard about it being proved by quantum theory, like Schrodinger's cat on a microscopic level, that if you believe it goes a certain way, your psychic energies will influence it - and then its the butterfly effect, one small effect turns into a huge one.

And the accredited scientific proof that this exists is...?

Quote from: navkat on February 11, 2011, 01:33:56 AM

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on February 11, 2011, 01:15:29 AM

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 01:06:17 AM
microkinesis is pretty well substantiated
you know, effecting the probable outcome of random number generaters and what not
life is a lot of chance events

ie:you do the math

Ive heard about it being proved by quantum theory, like Schrodinger's cat on a microscopic level, that if you believe it goes a certain way, your psychic energies will influence it - and then its the butterfly effect, one small effect turns into a huge one.

And the accredited scientific proof that this exists is...?

That Ob_Portu says its pretty well substantiated, AND quantum psychology  :fnord: :fnord: :fnord:

EYE NEAD HALP LOKATING MY SEYE-KICK ENARGEEZ PLEEZ.

OH DEAR LASS you just need't a magic marker, make a triangle a little bit higher than between your eyes, and then add some crystals (fantasy jewelry will do) - THEN ITS ALL UP TO CONCENTRATION

Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 11, 2011, 01:14:46 AM
Yeah, I'm going to have to ask for scientific journal articles for this.

SORRY, NEGATIVE SCIENTIFIC ENERGIES ARE WELL KNOWN PSYCHOKINESIS DISRUPTORS.
   \
:asshat:

Funny how the cycle of the rant is ever recurring in topics such as these:

Irrational beliefs -> Rant -> Irrational beliefs -> Rant (or this case mere ridicule)

its like AN NEVERENDING FEEDBACKLOOP OF RAGE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Anyone remember where that thread is where we did a microkenesis experiment here, with negative results?

But you are all a bunch of skeptic cynics!

You gotta believe in it for it to work!

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on February 11, 2011, 02:10:56 AM

But you are all a bunch of skeptic cynics!

You gotta believe in it for it to work!

Feedback loop complete.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on February 11, 2011, 02:09:25 AM
Anyone remember where that thread is where we did a microkenesis experiment here, with negative results?

yeah, I think the subject involves babylon horuv and it's a few pages deep in Principia Discussion. I almost bumped it the other day when I was doing some archive archeology.

ahah! http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21358.msg722072#msg722072

summary:

Quote from: fomenter on July 25, 2009, 05:23:59 AM
experiment preformed
failure resulted
excuses presented
illness blamed
magic1 now = self-hypnosis, NLP, meta-programming, etc.(science of self transformation)
magic2 now = i can change the world with a wave of my wand nutters (precognition, telekinesis, telepathy, et al.)
magic3 now = stage magic or illusionists

the concept of cheating was added and is awaiting a clear explanation

debate about whether believing in magic2 can get you laid is underway

I'm pretty informal in my requirement for such proof.  I just imagine every basement dweller who drones on about how magic/fairies/libertarianism will turn your life around in spectacular ways.  The only people whose lives are turned around by such revelations, are those lucky enough to dupe enough people to get themselves on a tour circuit and sell enough books.

Quote from: Captain Utopia on February 11, 2011, 03:02:40 AM
I'm pretty informal in my requirement for such proof.  I just imagine every basement dweller who drones on about how magic/fairies/libertarianism will turn your life around in spectacular ways.  The only people whose lives are turned around by such revelations, are those lucky enough to dupe enough people to get themselves on a tour circuit and sell enough books.

:lulz:

Fucker.

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on February 11, 2011, 02:03:38 AM
its like AN NEVERENDING FEEDBACKLOOP OF RAGE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

This pretty much sums up the entire internet.

Quote from: navkat on February 11, 2011, 03:22:05 AM

Quote from: Captain Utopia on February 11, 2011, 03:02:40 AM
I'm pretty informal in my requirement for such proof.  I just imagine every basement dweller who drones on about how magic/fairies/libertarianism will turn your life around in spectacular ways.  The only people whose lives are turned around by such revelations, are those lucky enough to dupe enough people to get themselves on a tour circuit and sell enough books.

:lulz:

Fucker.

I think Friedrich Engels summed it up best:

(http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/spiff_bucket/AdamSmith.jpg)

/ "The Invisible Hand of the free market.. will like totally solve all your problems!  Now, all you need to do is to.. keep doing what you're already doing, but MORESO.. and your capital will attract new capital!  Wallow - you DESERVE it.  If you think too much about the poor, it just makes things worse for them.  SO DON'T DO IT OR THE INVISIBLE HAND WILL SLAP YOU.  Besides, you don't need to worry about poor people because, everything will work itself out.  It is a merciful hand.  Love the hand.  It loves you.  Now go forth and tell all your friends to buy my books."

Quote from: Captain Utopia on February 11, 2011, 05:51:07 AM

Quote from: navkat on February 11, 2011, 03:22:05 AM

Quote from: Captain Utopia on February 11, 2011, 03:02:40 AM
I'm pretty informal in my requirement for such proof.  I just imagine every basement dweller who drones on about how magic/fairies/libertarianism will turn your life around in spectacular ways.  The only people whose lives are turned around by such revelations, are those lucky enough to dupe enough people to get themselves on a tour circuit and sell enough books.

:lulz:

Fucker.

I think Friedrich Engels summed it up best:

(http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/spiff_bucket/AdamSmith.jpg)

/ "The Invisible Hand of the free market.. will like totally solve all your problems!  Now, all you need to do is to.. keep doing what you're already doing, but MORESO.. and your capital will attract new capital!  Wallow - you DESERVE it.  If you think too much about the poor, it just makes things worse for them.  SO DON'T DO IT OR THE INVISIBLE HAND WILL SLAP YOU.  Besides, you don't need to worry about poor people because, everything will work itself out.  It is a merciful hand.  Love the hand.  It loves you.  Now go forth and tell all your friends to buy my books."

Oh. I'm not a fiscal Libertarian so that doesn't apply to me after all.

Carry on, then.

Quote from: Cramulus on February 11, 2011, 02:50:30 AM
ahah! http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21358.msg722072#msg722072

summary:

Quote from: fomenter on July 25, 2009, 05:23:59 AM
experiment preformed
failure resulted
excuses presented
illness blamed
magic1 now = self-hypnosis, NLP, meta-programming, etc.(science of self transformation)
magic2 now = i can change the world with a wave of my wand nutters (precognition, telekinesis, telepathy, et al.)
magic3 now = stage magic or illusionists

the concept of cheating was added and is awaiting a clear explanation

debate about whether believing in magic2 can get you laid is underway

Thank you for saving fifty pages.

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 01:06:17 AM
microkinesis is pretty well substantiated
you know, effecting the probable outcome of random number generaters and what not
life is a lot of chance events

ie:you do the math

Actually you are mixing up two different effects here to serve your own benefits.
It is true that random number generators outputs can be influenced and eventually become predictable because of the hardware limitations and the way the random number generator is coded.
It simply doesn't matter what the user is doing, they do not effect the outcome at all.

Quote from: Faust on February 11, 2011, 09:30:55 AM

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 01:06:17 AM
microkinesis is pretty well substantiated
you know, effecting the probable outcome of random number generaters and what not
life is a lot of chance events

ie:you do the math

Actually you are mixing up two different effects here to serve your own benefits.
It is true that random number generators outputs can be influenced and eventually become predictable because of the hardware limitations and the way the random number generator is coded.
It simply doesn't matter what the user is doing, they do not effect the outcome at all.

As the Law of Fives definitively proves, the whole concept of "Random Number" is fatally flawed, therefore any research using "Random Numbers" can be linked with, and used to support any Hypothesis, however spurious, given enough ingenuity on behalf of the researcher.

Quote from: BadBeast on February 11, 2011, 12:33:47 PM

Quote from: Faust on February 11, 2011, 09:30:55 AM

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 01:06:17 AM
microkinesis is pretty well substantiated
you know, effecting the probable outcome of random number generaters and what not
life is a lot of chance events

ie:you do the math

Actually you are mixing up two different effects here to serve your own benefits.
It is true that random number generators outputs can be influenced and eventually become predictable because of the hardware limitations and the way the random number generator is coded.
It simply doesn't matter what the user is doing, they do not effect the outcome at all.

As the Law of Fives definitively proves, the whole concept of "Random Number" is fatally flawed, therefore any research using "Random Numbers" can be linked with, and used to support any Hypothesis, however spurious, given enough ingenuity on behalf of the researcher.

Nah, the random number thing is slightly different. There is no true random number generator, they all approach predictability at a certain point.

Quote from: Faust on February 11, 2011, 01:36:04 PM
Nah, the random number thing is slightly different. There is no true random number generator, they all approach predictability at a certain point.

I raise you any random number generator based on radioactive decay.  Impossible to predict (just possible to model in the macro-scale), and very easy to measure.

Quote from: Gray Jester on February 11, 2011, 01:43:19 PM

Quote from: Faust on February 11, 2011, 01:36:04 PM
Nah, the random number thing is slightly different. There is no true random number generator, they all approach predictability at a certain point.

I raise you any random number generator based on radioactive decay.  Impossible to predict (just possible to model in the macro-scale), and very easy to measure.

Impossible to measure then, so its an impossible random number generator.
They thought they had it last year, when they seeded the generator with white noise from loads of different sensors around the world, but on a long enough time frame it becomes periodic, and thus predictable.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_psycho03.htm

sooo yar saying the results resulted from predictableness...right?

well you can to effect chance events, i do it all the time crossing the street and making gaps in cars appear without looking..

yep

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 04:37:53 PM
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_psycho03.htm

sooo yar saying the results resulted from predictableness...right?

well you can to effect chance events, i do it all the time crossing the street and making gaps in cars appear without looking..

yep

Walking in the path of a car with an alert driver is not microkinesis. It's just showing that the drivers in your area have good reaction time and that you're a lucky pedestrian.

oh! I've been stabbed with an O pinion! OH!

aaarhg

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 04:59:17 PM
oh! I've been stabbed with an O pinion! OH!

aaarhg

Here's another one:  You're an idiot.

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 04:59:17 PM
oh! I've been stabbed with an O pinion! OH!

aaarhg

I haven't discounted the rest of your post because at the moment I don't have time to read the link. I'm just saying that causing gaps in traffic shouldn't count because there is another human controlling each car. At that point, it's not psychokinesis, it's telepathy, which is a different subject that will also require a different link.

And really, if you stop to think about it, if someone blindly walks out in front of your car, what are you going to do? Stop or run them over? If you stop, or even slow down, is it really the pedestrian who did it? You could have run him over if you chose to. But that's illegal and immoral and people don't like doing that to other people. But do inform us when you end up in the hospital someday, and we'll consider that a fluke.

Well I compare the gaps as im crossing to see if my intention has any effect.

just my experience that it works, when done with the expectation/intention that it does..

*shrugs*

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 05:08:29 PM
Well I compare the gaps as im crossing to see if my intention has any effect.

just my experience that it works, when done with the expectation/intention that it does..

*shrugs*

Confirmation bias FTFL.

Ob, you and people like you are the reason humanity is sinking back into superstition.

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 05:08:29 PM
Well I compare the gaps as im crossing to see if my intention has any effect.

just my experience that it works, when done with the expectation/intention that it does..

*shrugs*

So what you're saying is that you wait to see if it's safe to cross the next lane in traffic?

Just trying to clarify what you mean here.

Once you figure out what the secret is, you have to keep it to yourself, or it becomes a confidence. Secrets, by their nature, can never be told. Anyone who says different is a trickster, a liar, or very much mistaken.

No, I just cross. Sometimes with the intention of there being a gap, sometimes without.

Like he said, they'll most likely stop if i'm unsuccessful.

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 05:15:18 PM
No, I just cross. Sometimes with the intention of there being a gap, sometimes without.

Like he said, they'll most likely stop if i'm unsuccessful.

This is the stupidest thing said on PD so far this decade.

Congratulations, man.

For everyone else:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_(book)

Back up a second.


I just realized you said that you simply walk into traffic, regardless of the lights, signals, traffic patterns, or crosswalks.


I fucking hate people like you.  You make people's lives quantifiably worse with you narcissistic oblivious solipsism.



Fuck you.

yeah..totally and while we are at it, why go to the moon either?

its cold up there!

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on February 11, 2011, 05:18:18 PM
Back up a second.


I just realized you said that you simply walk into traffic, regardless of the lights, signals, traffic patterns, or crosswalks.


I fucking hate people like you.  You make people's lives quantifiably worse with you narcissistic oblivious solipsism.



Fuck you.

I hope he walks in front of a drunk, one day.

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 05:20:28 PM
yeah..totally and while we are at it, why go to the moon either?

its cold up there!

You're a cunt.

well 99 times out of a hundred these days there is a gap, if not I walk fast.

thank you

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on February 11, 2011, 05:18:18 PM
Back up a second.


I just realized you said that you simply walk into traffic, regardless of the lights, signals, traffic patterns, or crosswalks.


I fucking hate people like you.  You make people's lives quantifiably worse with you narcissistic oblivious solipsism.



Fuck you.

Nevermind solipsism.

The assholes that do this just scare the hell out of me.  Then there's the inevitable internal debate.  "If you accelerate, you do the world a service.  But, then you get rewarded with free room and board, but a somewhat smaller apartment missing a usable door..."

Quote from: Faust on February 11, 2011, 03:25:00 PM

Quote from: Gray Jester on February 11, 2011, 01:43:19 PM

Quote from: Faust on February 11, 2011, 01:36:04 PM
Nah, the random number thing is slightly different. There is no true random number generator, they all approach predictability at a certain point.

I raise you any random number generator based on radioactive decay.  Impossible to predict (just possible to model in the macro-scale), and very easy to measure.

Impossible to measure then, so its an impossible random number generator.
They thought they had it last year, when they seeded the generator with white noise from loads of different sensors around the world, but on a long enough time frame it becomes periodic, and thus predictable.

Not supporting the Secret nonsense or the microbulshitness. However, we do have the ability to generate real random through a number of different physical hardware solutions.

Also, I support more people walking into traffic. It's The Secret to curbing overpopulation.

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 05:20:28 PM
yeah..totally and while we are at it, why go to the moon either?

its cold up there!

To stick it to the Russkiys.

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 05:22:10 PM
well 99 times out of a hundred these days there is a gap, if not I walk fast.

thank you

This is just aggressive pedestrianism, as evidenced by occasionally needing to speed up.

Suggested reading for Ob Portu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Your claim is that you can manipulate traffic with your will. In order to know if you actually can, you need to compare your success at this task against a control. Like somebody else who tries to cross in the same conditions. Do you think the drivers are responding to your will, and not to the presence of a pedestrian? I am worried that you are actually maladapting yourself to your environment.by relying on a heuristic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristic) based on self-confirmation.

i can cross the street faster than you and I aint scared.

the is no such thing as "the same conditions"

Quote from: Cramulus on February 11, 2011, 05:27:09 PM
Suggested reading for Ob Portu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Your claim is that you can manipulate traffic with your will. In order to know if you actually can, you need to compare your success at this task against a control. Like somebody else who tries to cross in the same conditions. Do you think the drivers are responding to your will, and not to the presence of a pedestrian? I am worried that you are actually maladapting yourself to your environment.by relying on a heuristic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristic) based on self-confirmation.

I'm not worried... I'm gonna find out where Ob Portu is located and start selling tickets at streets nearby! Guaranteed Miracles, or at least guaranteed carnage... people will pay for that shit!

Praise Bob!

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 05:30:32 PM
i can cross the street faster than you and I aint scared.

the is no such thing as "the same conditions"

:flush:

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 05:30:32 PM
the is no such thing as "the same conditions"

I hear what you're saying, but it sounds like an excuse to not critically examine yourself.

Honestly, I can sympathize. I used to operate in a reality tunnel in which Will was the most powerful force on the planet, and it was capable of actually shaping the external world, even independent of other actions. It took me years to realize I was shaping my perceptions, not the universe.

I am  critical of myself.

but i hear what you're saying

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 05:50:18 PM
I am  critical of myself.

This is easy to say, and easier to think.  But there's no end to the process.

Remember - an asshole is simply when someone has stopped being self-critical.

Quote from: Captain Utopia on February 11, 2011, 05:55:01 PM

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 05:50:18 PM
I am  critical of myself.

This is easy to say, and easier to think.  But there's no end to the process.

Remember - an asshole is simply when someone has stopped being self-critical.

No, you can do both.

TGRR,
Has first-hand experience.

If you're so self-critical, then imagine what it feels like to be driving down the road when some insufferable shitneck steps into the fucking street in front of your car without warning.

imagine how I feel when I need to cross the street?

cars and there dominance are insufferable.

OB - I like your crossing the street experiment but we need to broaden the scope. Please to repeat in varying levels of traffic from dead of night, no cars present, right up to rush hour freeway.

Report back with your findings....

Small rectangular "breakfast" treat, fit for a toaster.  Prove me wrong.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on February 11, 2011, 05:58:14 PM
If you're so self-critical, then imagine what it feels like to be driving down the road when some insufferable shitneck steps into the fucking street in front of your car without warning.

I'm guessing that he holds the driver responsible.

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 06:01:21 PM
imagine how I feel when I need to cross the street?

cars and there dominance are insufferable.

Your fucking mistreatment of the English language is insufferable.

Also, who called it?  Oh, yeah.   8)

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 06:01:21 PM
imagine how I feel when I need to cross the street?

cars and there dominance are insufferable.

How many city planning meetings have you been to where you suggested new traffic patterns/more crosswalks/more crosswalk signals?

I'm guessing the number is somewhere between -1 and 1. 

He doesn't have to-- he has mind bullets.

I can have some sympathy with how car-centric American society is.  I understand the rub with that.  There are definitely cities and towns that are very un-friendly to pedestrians. 

However, there are channels to address that.  And I will grant that even given the channels, change would be slow if it were to happen.

But one of those channels shouldn't be putting yourself, and others, at risk of harm.  When you make someone do a quick stop, it has the high potential of causing a massive pile-up and a decent amount of destruction and injury, and potential lethality. 

Take it up with city hall, don't take it out on the people. 

Given that I recently spent a couple weeks as an involuntary pedestrian while my car was in the shop, and that I'm making an effort to walk more when I can, I can understand being frustrated with traffic.  (More so since most people in Providence apparently don't own snow shovels, or can't be bothered to figure out the big end is supposed to scrape the sidewalk, and the recent warmings and re-freezings have rendered the sidewalks into skating rinks, making it actually safer to dodge traffic in the road than try to navigate the sidewalks.) 

And, yes, sometimes it's a pain in the ass to actually have to walk TO the crosswalk, wait for the light to change, and go when it's actually reasonably safe to do so.

But, you know what?  If you want to take your life into your own hands, please feel free.  However, let's keep others OUT of your suicide attempts, shall we? 

http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/11/autos/pedal_misapplication/index.htm?hpt=T2 (http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/11/autos/pedal_misapplication/index.htm?hpt=T2)

QuoteThe number one cause of unintended acceleration isn't problem cars, it's problem drivers The Secret Powerz of the Mind.

Obviously Ob Portu is the cause of all these accidental accelerations... they were unconsciously speeding up to get out of his way.

I request of a mod to check his IP, its too ridiculous too be real arguments.

Hey Ob. Put down the shovel. Seriously. I've been making an effort to be nice. Don't make me waste all this pent up rage and hatred on you. I'm saving it for someone worth the effort.

Quote from: Hoopla on February 11, 2011, 06:08:21 PM
Small rectangular "breakfast" treat, fit for a toaster.  Prove me wrong.

Is the 50 post rule  still being observed? I know it takes a bit more effort to check postcounts out these days, but I just wondered if it was still a (mis) rule.

Quote from: BadBeast on February 11, 2011, 11:09:53 PM
Is the 50 post rule  still being observed? I know it takes a bit more effort to check postcounts out these days, but I just wondered if it was still a (mis) rule.

Ob gots 87 posts.

Quote from: Canis latrans eques on February 11, 2011, 11:13:33 PM

Quote from: BadBeast on February 11, 2011, 11:09:53 PM
Is the 50 post rule  still being observed? I know it takes a bit more effort to check postcounts out these days, but I just wondered if it was still a (mis) rule.

Ob gots 87 posts.

I know, I just checked. I wasn't necessarily asking in respect of Ob, just in general. And whether n00bs are informed that it's open season at post 51. 

Quote from: BadBeast on February 11, 2011, 11:24:57 PM

Quote from: Canis latrans eques on February 11, 2011, 11:13:33 PM

Quote from: BadBeast on February 11, 2011, 11:09:53 PM
Is the 50 post rule  still being observed? I know it takes a bit more effort to check postcounts out these days, but I just wondered if it was still a (mis) rule.

Ob gots 87 posts.

I know, I just checked. I wasn't necessarily asking in respect of Ob, just in general. And whether n00bs are informed that it's open season at post 51. 

Personally, I have never observed it.

Quote from: Hoopla on February 11, 2011, 11:52:23 PM

Quote from: BadBeast on February 11, 2011, 11:24:57 PM

Quote from: Canis latrans eques on February 11, 2011, 11:13:33 PM

Quote from: BadBeast on February 11, 2011, 11:09:53 PM
Is the 50 post rule  still being observed? I know it takes a bit more effort to check postcounts out these days, but I just wondered if it was still a (mis) rule.

Ob gots 87 posts.

I know, I just checked. I wasn't necessarily asking in respect of Ob, just in general. And whether n00bs are informed that it's open season at post 51. 

Personally, I have never observed it.

I've observed it, but never paid it any particular attention. After all, certain approaches demand certain responses, and it seems a bit overindulgent to allow people fifty posts where they don't have to think about making any kind of sense. Maybe 5, or at the most, 10. Less if the n00b is particularly offensive or poptartish. More if they are entertaining, and making an obvious effort to get in the spirit of things.

Ob: here's how you're coming across:

"I'm going to cross now and the Universe can wait...mostly because I create the Universe with my mind and besides, the Universe knows to stay out of my way at this exact moment in time."

Be real with yourself for a moment: you know that's all BS, right? There are laws of physics and all kinds of people's free-will to take into account...never mind the entire point of why you're here. Before you get yourself stuck in a tree with no way down, do you really believe that at the exact moment you hold your breath and say "23 Skidoo," the Universe and all the people in it take care of you?

Think before you answer because these people can get brutal.

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 06:01:21 PM
imagine how I feel when I need to cross the street?

cars and there dominance are insufferable.

Imagine how I feel when I just push the fucking button?

Pedestrians are assholes. Fact. So are drivers. Fact. Deal.

Blight,
Lives in Massachusetts (so does LMNO).

Quote from: Luna on February 11, 2011, 07:28:26 PM
And, yes, sometimes it's a pain in the ass to actually have to walk TO the crosswalk, wait for the light to change, and go when it's actually reasonably safe to do so.

Even then, I'm totally cool with standing on a street corner for a mere 5 minutes to guarantee that my genes will be passed on to a future generation. It's not that much of an inconvenience.

Quote from: BadBeast on February 11, 2011, 11:09:53 PM
Is the 50 post rule  still being observed? I know it takes a bit more effort to check postcounts out these days, but I just wondered if it was still a (mis) rule.

Let's call it a strongly worded suggestion. I've never had any problems with or without the rule when I was a noob. But again, you know that, since you've been here longer.


OB, here's the thing, despite your apparent impatience and inability to wait, and that you have to waste maj'x on, of all things, traffickques, lets take it up a step further. Instead of causing "gaps" that are easily explainable by careful driving, I want you to do one of the following:

a) phase yourself so that you can literally walk through oncoming traffic that is not going to let up.
b) be more efficient and just teleport yourself across the street


Disclaimer: I am in no way liable if Ob Portu takes this challenge up and gets seriously injured or dies. It's his own fault for listening to some random dude on the internet, no matter how accurate the challenge to his fallacy.

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 05:15:18 PM
No, I just cross. Sometimes with the intention of there being a gap, sometimes without.]

Like he said, they'll most likely stop if i'm unsuccessful.

If I'm driving, and some fucking idiot walked out into the traffic, with no regard for any other road user, and who obviously can't be arsed to use the basic survival skills of looking, and maybe waiting for a gap in the traffic, I'm the kind of impulsive cunt who would deliberately clip the fucker out of principle. Not to kill them, or even out of malice. (I'm not a fucking monster)
         but just because there are certain rules to crossing roads, rules that are there for the protection of drivers, who might otherwise get their cars all covered in messy bodyparts. Anyone who puts themselves at the mercy of car drivers, by disregarding the time tested rules of where and when to cross busy roads, is pretty much daring  someone to pick them off. And it's better that I just clip you, on purpose than have someone else completely kill you, by accident.  

Quote from: BadBeast on February 12, 2011, 10:25:00 AM

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 05:15:18 PM
No, I just cross. Sometimes with the intention of there being a gap, sometimes without.]

Like he said, they'll most likely stop if i'm unsuccessful.

If I'm driving, and some fucking idiot walked out into the traffic, with no regard for any other road user, and who obviously can't be arsed to use the basic survival skills of looking, and maybe waiting for a gap in the traffic, I'm the kind of impulsive cunt who would deliberately clip the fucker out of principle. Not to kill them, or even out of malice. (I'm not a fucking monster)
         but just because there are certain rules to crossing roads, rules that are there for the protection of drivers, who might otherwise get their cars all covered in messy bodyparts. Anyone who puts themselves at the mercy of car drivers, by disregarding the time tested rules of where and when to cross busy roads, is pretty much daring  someone to pick them off. And it's better that I just clip you, on purpose than have someone else completely kill you, by accident.  

Wow, I don't know what's worse. You do realize you can easily put someone in the hospital no matter how shallowly you "clip" them, right?

Obviously, yeah. But the point I was trying to make is that there are all sorts of people playing all kinds of dumbass dangerous games on the roads. OK, the chances are that I wouldn't clip someone on purpose. But I would be tempted to.
And I've known people who would do something like that, just on impulse. And when you think of the numbers of pedestrians killed on the roads every year day even, people who are crossing properly, or just walking along on the pavement, minding their own business, then the sort of stupid proposed in this thread, is going to undergo a very sudden change of opinion at some point, probably under the persuasion of some very hard, fast moving metal. 

I cross roads wherever I want, but only if I feel it's safe to cross.  Walking out into traffic hoping for the best is one of the most idiotic ideas I have ever heard presented.  But, if it helps Natural Selection, bully.

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 05:50:18 PM
I am  critical of myself.

but i hear what you're saying

I had a dream that my face was pressed against something soft and fuzzy, and here's the spooky part:

WHEN I WOKE UP

MY FACE

WAS PRESSED

AGAINST SOMETHING SOFT AND FUZZY!

I have signed a non-aggression treaty with traffic, whereby mutual respect of each other's borders and arbitration by international observers when violations of that treaty occur through (in)action by either side.

Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on February 12, 2011, 08:37:16 PM

Quote from: Ob_Portu on February 11, 2011, 05:50:18 PM
I am  critical of myself.

but i hear what you're saying

I had a dream that my face was pressed against something soft and fuzzy, and here's the spooky part:

WHEN I WOKE UP

MY FACE

WAS PRESSED

AGAINST SOMETHING SOFT AND FUZZY!

:lol:

Quote from: Cain on February 12, 2011, 11:55:02 PM
I have signed a non-aggression treaty with traffic, whereby mutual respect of each other's borders and arbitration by international observers when violations of that treaty occur through (in)action by either side.

:lol: