I'm not saying it's a good movie. Hell, I'm not saying it's bad either. I happen to like it, but I don't really care if you do. What I'm interested in is,
The symbolism.
I saw the movie when I was a kid, and it was pretty cool with the guns and John Woo magic, and then I went on with my life.
And then I got woken up from The Machine™
And then I watched the movie again.
What came through the second viewing was not an action movie, but a metaphor for the GASM's, and the good fight in general.
Redpill, Machine, all that and more. The movie is now not an action treat for me, but a symbolic piece, a representative of "real" life, more true to it than most viewers could ever dream.
Does anyone else see this?
I could be just insane. Well, I am insane.
But, are you insane with me?
I dunno man, I took both pills.
(http://files.sharenator.com/keanu_Oh_shit_not_this_again-s350x319-81370-580.jpg)
I haven't watched any of the movies and really don't plan to. Too much Keanu Reeves.
The Matrix was cool because I was 18 when it came out.
Was.
Quote from: Princess Suu the Apostate on February 24, 2011, 12:36:42 PM
The Matrix was cool because I was 18 when it came out.
Was.
The matrix was cool til 2 + 3 came out.
Yes.
The sequels ruined a perfectly good release of Equilibrium.
I do see the symbolism. But mehhhh the movies themselves...
The movie predates this board I think... You can graft the symbolism onto it and view it with Discordian eyes but for the most part it was just another sci-fi film.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 24, 2011, 02:24:01 PM
The movie predates this board I think... You can graft the symbolism onto it and view it with Discordian eyes but for the most part it was just Plato and Descartes with a full clip on semi-automatic.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on February 24, 2011, 02:26:55 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 24, 2011, 02:24:01 PM
The movie predates this board I think... You can graft the symbolism onto it and view it with Discordian eyes but for the most part it was just Plato and Descartes with a full clip on semi-automatic.
:lulz: That too.
Quote from: *GrumpButt* on February 24, 2011, 02:11:18 PM
I do see the symbolism. But mehhhh the movies themselves...
Why does everyone hate the Matrix now?
Have the sequels really tainted the original beyond redemption?
What do you mean, "now"?
Sure, it was eye candy, but I never saw it as some awesome philisophical head scrambler.
"I Heart Huckabees" was more of an existential mindfuck, to be honest.
Quote from: Princess Suu the Apostate on February 24, 2011, 01:51:29 PM
Yes.
The sequels ruined a perfectly good release of Equilibrium.
Agree'd. Equilibrium rocked.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on February 24, 2011, 02:26:55 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 24, 2011, 02:24:01 PM
The movie predates this board I think... You can graft the symbolism onto it and view it with Discordian eyes but for the most part it was just Plato and Descartes with a full clip on semi-automatic.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 24, 2011, 03:42:45 PM
Quote from: *GrumpButt* on February 24, 2011, 02:11:18 PM
I do see the symbolism. But mehhhh the movies themselves...
Why does everyone hate the Matrix now?
Have the sequels really tainted the original beyond redemption?
I liked the first two. I liked Reloaded only as a kick-ass action movie, though. The third part sucked it.
I was in middle school when The Matrix came out, so yeah I thought that shit was both awesome and mind blowing at the time. I can remember walking out of the theater doing the whole "Is this real?" thing. It was my first exposure to that. Just like a lot of people had the same thought after Inception, whereas those who consider the nature of reality just didn't care about that aspect of the movie.
I still think The Matrix is a good action flic. The latter two were really, atrociously awful.
It's a gnostic superhero movie! I thought the first one was excellent, for what it was. I do love narratives with that "gnostic awakening" theme --- to paraphrase Phillip K Dick --- "You and the True God are allied against an imperfect world and its fallen and corrupt creator." And there's this idea of gnosis, this moment of awakening that takes place and allows you to transcend the corrupt world.
I thought the second movie had a lot of good discussion about Free Will vs Determinism, I found that theme to be particularly strong, but they weren't able to resolve to satisfaction.
If you like The Matrix then you should read the Invisibles, by Grant Morrison. He stole a lot of ideas from the Invisibles, and Grant Morrison is a Discordian, so it's probably up your alley too.
Quote from: Icey on February 24, 2011, 06:51:26 AM
Redpill, Machine, all that and more. The movie is now not an action treat for me, but a symbolic piece, a representative of "real" life, more true to it than most viewers could ever dream.
Does anyone else see this?
This is the same sort of rationalization employed by furries, people who think they can throw fireballs, and teabaggers.
Mind Bullets *Pew-Pew* ><
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on February 24, 2011, 02:26:55 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on February 24, 2011, 02:24:01 PM
The movie predates this board I think... You can graft the symbolism onto it and view it with Discordian eyes but for the most part it was just Plato and Descartes with a full clip on semi-automatic.
It has nothing to do with Plato dammit :argh!:
Sure it does. The Matrix itself is a NEO-Platonic existence.
:rimshot:
Before: Neo was Jesus.
After: Neo was Jesus.
Note - Eris hasn't really affected my views on reality all that much.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on February 24, 2011, 03:55:33 PM
I was in middle school when The Matrix came out, so yeah I thought that shit was both awesome and mind blowing at the time. I can remember walking out of the theater doing the whole "Is this real?" thing. It was my first exposure to that. Just like a lot of people had the same thought after Inception, whereas those who consider the nature of reality just didn't care about that aspect of the movie.
I still think The Matrix is a good action flic. The latter two were really, atrociously awful.
This is what I bugs me. The Matrix was such a wasted potential for a franchise.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2011, 04:33:52 PM
Quote from: Icey on February 24, 2011, 06:51:26 AM
Redpill, Machine, all that and more. The movie is now not an action treat for me, but a symbolic piece, a representative of "real" life, more true to it than most viewers could ever dream.
Does anyone else see this?
This is the same sort of rationalization employed by furries, people who think they can throw fireballs, and teabaggers.
Please explain how you got your interpretation of that from what I wrote.
Quote from: Icey on February 24, 2011, 05:49:53 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2011, 04:33:52 PM
Quote from: Icey on February 24, 2011, 06:51:26 AM
Redpill, Machine, all that and more. The movie is now not an action treat for me, but a symbolic piece, a representative of "real" life, more true to it than most viewers could ever dream.
Does anyone else see this?
This is the same sort of rationalization employed by furries, people who think they can throw fireballs, and teabaggers.
Please explain how you got your interpretation of that from what I wrote.
I cant speak for TGRR, but, like, justifying-making sense-
a posteriori because of what
you attribute to it, not what it is itself.
Althought the foremost symbolic theme that is
REAL revolves around one jackoff that thinks hes
SPECIAL, that
KNOWS he can change the world and that wants to be a fucking
MARTYR.
To be associated with subversive teenager mentality before they turn into another cog because now "they are more mature, because
IT WAS JUST A PHASE AFTER ALL"
FUCK THE MATRIX OR KILLLLLL MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Dammit, Johnny! I built up to the punchline, and you swiped it! :argh!:
EITHER
The early bird gets the worm
OR
... teh second mouse gets the cheese?
OR
:? :? :?
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on February 24, 2011, 07:13:20 PM
EITHER
The early bird gets the worm
OR
... teh second mouse gets the cheese?
OR
:? :? :?
Getting up early wasn't a very good idea for the worm, now, was it?
Quote from: Luna on February 24, 2011, 07:39:48 PM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on February 24, 2011, 07:13:20 PM
EITHER
The early bird gets the worm
OR
... teh second mouse gets the cheese?
OR
:? :? :?
Getting up early wasn't a very good idea for the worm, now, was it?
I dunno, maybe he was tired of a life eating dirt ...
:lulz:
I think the whole thing could have been great if A) it wasn't trying to be a great action flick and a towering riddle of symbology, and B) I think everyone can agree, suffered from less gratuitous use of Keanu.
I did like the Merovingian. He seems like my kind of fun.
Quote from: Sigmatic on February 24, 2011, 08:52:54 PM
I think the whole thing could have been great if A) it wasn't trying to be a great action flick and a towering riddle of symbology, and B) I think everyone can agree, suffered from less gratuitous use of Keanu.
I did like the Merovingian. He seems like my kind of fun.
His scenes were decent, but only because they included the best part of both sequels - Monica Bellucci's cleavage.
Hey, he makes a hell of a torte. :lulz:
You know what Keanu movie I've seen lately that completely blown my mind further than the matrix trilogy ever did?
Point Break.
WHY DIDNT ANYONE TELL ME ABOUT THIS MOVIE UNTIL I ACCIDENTLY FOUND IT??
THIS MOVIE WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE.
Quote from: Lies on February 25, 2011, 12:02:56 AM
You know what Keanu movie I've seen lately that completely blown my mind further than the matrix trilogy ever did?
Point Break.
WHY DIDNT ANYONE TELL ME ABOUT THIS MOVIE UNTIL I ACCIDENTLY FOUND IT??
THIS MOVIE WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE.
:lulz: Totally, dude.
1st matrix movie was the nads. Symbolism? Why bother? Attaching symbolism to it doesn't make the bullet-time gunfights any cooler the way I see it. 2nd and 3rd movies? They went all out for symbolism and this marginalised the violence. Much less cool to the point of being complete shit. See what I mean?
You want symbolism, read some fucking philosophy. You want bullet-time gunfights and chicks in pvc catsuits, watch a movie. Horses for courses. Never the twain shall meet.
I think the Matrix movie makes a couple good analogies with the whole 'waking up' idea. Its not unique to Discordia, but certainly it does have some similarities.
Mostly, the responsibility of waking people up... right now most of these poor sods are living in their 9 to 5, homeowner association (well for the people still with homes), shirt and tie, IRA, 401K reality. If we give them the Red Pill... what do we offer them? A half burned out hole, where reality is a machine desperately trying to survive on human energy.
Maybe its good to wake them up, maybe its bad... either way its a responsibility that ya gotta consider.
Also, there is no spoon.
anybody remember Matrixism (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=20858.0)? :lulz:
btw, the best Matrix movie was Commando, with Schwarzenegger as John Matrix
(http://worldsstrongestlibrarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/john-matrix.png)
Quote from: Sigmatic on February 24, 2011, 08:52:54 PM
I think the whole thing could have been great if A) it wasn't trying to be a great action flick and a towering riddle of symbology, and B) I think everyone can agree, suffered from less gratuitous use of Keanu.
I did like the Merovingian. He seems like my kind of fun.
I liked the trilogy in general (1st really good, 2nd terrible, 3rd decent) but I totally agree with this, especially the part about the Merovingian being the best character.
Quote from: Lies on February 25, 2011, 12:02:56 AM
You know what Keanu movie I've seen lately that completely blown my mind further than the matrix trilogy ever did?
Point Break.
WHY DIDNT ANYONE TELL ME ABOUT THIS MOVIE UNTIL I ACCIDENTLY FOUND IT??
THIS MOVIE WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE.
also, this.
I AM AN EFF-BEE-EYE AGENT!
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(http://www.allofftopic.com/image.php?u=8&dateline=1234128572)
Though in all fairness, it should be pointed out that Point Break is a Patrick Swayze movie.
Also, it should be pointed out that Point Break inspired Travis Pastrana to do the "jumping from a plane with no chute and diving down to catch the guy with the chute" stunt IN REAL LIFE FOR REAL. Single most awesome thing a human being has ever done, IMO.
I liked the first matrix because the ideas in it were kind of new to me at the time. I wondered about the "what if everything was a simulation?" concept now and then, but I never had a proper philosophy class yet, and I'm not sure whether I had seen other similar movies (like Existenz) yet, but the matrix left a bigger impact, somehow. Probably because of bullet time and "need guns, lots of guns" and "I know kung fu" etc etc, it was both the philosophical idea as well as being packed in a highly entertaining action film.
I didn't like the second part much. They put too many "ghosts" in it, and I thought the merovingian was a dick. First one just had the oracle and the magic resurrection kiss, and the rest was all high-tec scifi stuff.
The third one was cool again because it had loads of action stuff again, and loads and loads of Agent Smith in it. I liked Smith, he was my favourite character. Not because he was "good" or "right" or anything, probably just because the actor did a brilliant job at it. Especially the monologue bit in the first episode (when he interrogates Morpheus--big fat Morpheus whose sweat indeed probably did smell horrible).
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/bin/The_Invisibles_V1_19_07.jpg)
Before Discordianism - oh, nice special effects. Shame about the sophomoric attempts to graft philosophy onto an action flick
After Discordianism - oh, nice special effects. Shame about the sophomoric attempts to graft philosophy onto an action flick
Quote from: Cain on February 25, 2011, 08:54:46 PM
Before Discordianism - oh, nice special effects. Shame about the sophomoric attempts to graft philosophy onto an action flick
After Discordianism - oh, nice special effects. Shame about the sophomoric attempts to graft philosophy onto an action flick
Incidentally, my opinion of Inception is
exactly the same.
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 25, 2011, 08:50:47 PM
I liked the first matrix because the ideas in it were kind of new to me at the time. I wondered about the "what if everything was a simulation?" concept now and then, but I never had a proper philosophy class yet, and I'm not sure whether I had seen other similar movies (like Existenz) yet, but the matrix left a bigger impact, somehow. Probably because of bullet time and "need guns, lots of guns" and "I know kung fu" etc etc, it was both the philosophical idea as well as being packed in a highly entertaining action film.
I didn't like the second part much. They put too many "ghosts" in it, and I thought the merovingian was a dick. First one just had the oracle and the magic resurrection kiss, and the rest was all high-tec scifi stuff.
The third one was cool again because it had loads of action stuff again, and loads and loads of Agent Smith in it. I liked Smith, he was my favourite character. Not because he was "good" or "right" or anything, probably just because the actor did a brilliant job at it. Especially the monologue bit in the first episode (when he interrogates Morpheus--big fat Morpheus whose sweat indeed probably did smell horrible).
Smith was the best of them all. As to when he had Morpheus, I was hoping they would kill him.
I hate it for having an antiestablishment theme while only overthrowing it through impossible childish fantasy methods. It tells people who could potentially have had some kind of ideas of
Trying to shape the culture they are in that they are powerless to do so. Revolution becomes an impossible intangible thing, exactly what the con wants you to think.
~Faust
Knows that all it takes to topple governments is numbers and elbo grease.
Quote from: Faust on February 25, 2011, 09:10:50 PM
I hate it for having an antiestablishment theme while only overthrowing it through impossible childish fantasy methods. It tells people who could potentially have had some kind of ideas of
Trying to shape the culture they are in that they are powerless to do so. Revolution becomes an impossible intangible thing, exactly what the con wants you to think.
~Faust
Knows that all it takes to topple governments is numbers and elbo grease.
Wow. That's one of the cooler interpretations I've heard so far.
I can get behind that.
Quote from: Cain on February 25, 2011, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 25, 2011, 08:54:46 PM
Before Discordianism - oh, nice special effects. Shame about the sophomoric attempts to graft philosophy onto an action flick
After Discordianism - oh, nice special effects. Shame about the sophomoric attempts to graft philosophy onto an action flick
Incidentally, my opinion of Inception is exactly the same.
Inception had philosophy in it??? Haha, I must be getting better at filtering this shit out :lulz:
Quote from: Cramulus on February 25, 2011, 07:16:31 PM
anybody remember Matrixism (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=20858.0)? :lulz:
btw, the best Matrix movie was Commando, with Schwarzenegger as John Matrix
(http://worldsstrongestlibrarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/john-matrix.png)
"SULLY! REMEMBER HW I SAID I'D KILL YOU LAST?!"
"YES JOHN! YOU DID!"
"I LIED"
Fucking poetry man. Sophocles never did any better.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 26, 2011, 09:42:54 AM
Quote from: Cain on February 25, 2011, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 25, 2011, 08:54:46 PM
Before Discordianism - oh, nice special effects. Shame about the sophomoric attempts to graft philosophy onto an action flick
After Discordianism - oh, nice special effects. Shame about the sophomoric attempts to graft philosophy onto an action flick
Incidentally, my opinion of Inception is exactly the same.
Inception had philosophy in it??? Haha, I must be getting better at filtering this shit out :lulz:
Apparently it was this decade's "existentialist benchmark".
Personally, I thought this decade's existentialist benchmark was George W Bush
allegedly reading Camus while on holiday...
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 26, 2011, 09:42:54 AM
Quote from: Cain on February 25, 2011, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 25, 2011, 08:54:46 PM
Before Discordianism - oh, nice special effects. Shame about the sophomoric attempts to graft philosophy onto an action flick
After Discordianism - oh, nice special effects. Shame about the sophomoric attempts to graft philosophy onto an action flick
Incidentally, my opinion of Inception is exactly the same.
Inception had philosophy in it??? Haha, I must be getting better at filtering this shit out :lulz:
I liked the book better.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r230/zoltandragon/ubik.jpg)
I think I've said this before, but the most interesting thing about The Matrix is that it's one of three films all released within a year, and all about a guy who discovers that his reality is physically an illusion controlled by sinister forces. The other two are The Truman Show and Dark City.
I know of a fourth, but it's a fairly obscure Polish film from the eighties called Sexmission, and this guy has a whole civilisation of women held captive underground who think that the Earth was left uninhabitable after a nuclear war. They have this periscope thing and it just shows a fake devastated landscape.
Quote from: Xooxe on February 27, 2011, 04:43:01 AM
I think I've said this before, but the most interesting thing about The Matrix is that it's one of three films all released within a year, and all about a guy who discovers that his reality is physically an illusion controlled by sinister forces. The other two are The Truman Show and Dark City.
...Both of which were better movies, and both of which were buried alive by "bullet time".
Didn't 13th floor come out that year too?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 27, 2011, 04:45:06 AM
Quote from: Xooxe on February 27, 2011, 04:43:01 AM
I think I've said this before, but the most interesting thing about The Matrix is that it's one of three films all released within a year, and all about a guy who discovers that his reality is physically an illusion controlled by sinister forces. The other two are The Truman Show and Dark City.
...Both of which were better movies, and both of which were buried alive by "bullet time".
I think bullet time ranks up there with the T-Pain/Autotune voice effect on the list of things that people got sick of really really fast.
But unlike the T-Pain effect bullet time eventually went away.
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on February 27, 2011, 05:46:13 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 27, 2011, 04:45:06 AM
Quote from: Xooxe on February 27, 2011, 04:43:01 AM
I think I've said this before, but the most interesting thing about The Matrix is that it's one of three films all released within a year, and all about a guy who discovers that his reality is physically an illusion controlled by sinister forces. The other two are The Truman Show and Dark City.
...Both of which were better movies, and both of which were buried alive by "bullet time".
I think bullet time ranks up there with the T-Pain/Autotune voice effect on the list of things that people got sick of really really fast.
But unlike the T-Pain effect bullet time eventually went away.
Much like a javelina hearing a dog bark, or a Samoan hearing a car horn, the sound of autotune instantly drives me into a killing frenzy.
Quote from: Icey on February 24, 2011, 06:51:26 AM
I'm not saying it's a good movie. Hell, I'm not saying it's bad either. I happen to like it, but I don't really care if you do. What I'm interested in is,
The symbolism.
I saw the movie when I was a kid, and it was pretty cool with the guns and John Woo magic, and then I went on with my life.
And then I got woken up from The Machine™
And then I watched the movie again.
What came through the second viewing was not an action movie, but a metaphor for the GASM's, and the good fight in general.
Redpill, Machine, all that and more. The movie is now not an action treat for me, but a symbolic piece, a representative of "real" life, more true to it than most viewers could ever dream.
Does anyone else see this?
I could be just insane. Well, I am insane.
But, are you insane with me?
SHUT THE FUCK UP! (http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http://www.youtube.com/v/aEiWoWoM4R0&start1=0&video2=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4tinsXbdpc&start2=&h=1)
Quote from: GIGGLES on February 27, 2011, 09:02:56 PM
Quote from: Icey on February 24, 2011, 06:51:26 AM
I'm not saying it's a good movie. Hell, I'm not saying it's bad either. I happen to like it, but I don't really care if you do. What I'm interested in is,
The symbolism.
I saw the movie when I was a kid, and it was pretty cool with the guns and John Woo magic, and then I went on with my life.
And then I got woken up from The Machine™
And then I watched the movie again.
What came through the second viewing was not an action movie, but a metaphor for the GASM's, and the good fight in general.
Redpill, Machine, all that and more. The movie is now not an action treat for me, but a symbolic piece, a representative of "real" life, more true to it than most viewers could ever dream.
Does anyone else see this?
I could be just insane. Well, I am insane.
But, are you insane with me?
SHUT THE FUCK UP! (http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http://www.youtube.com/v/aEiWoWoM4R0&start1=0&video2=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4tinsXbdpc&start2=&h=1)
:asplode:
Quote from: GIGGLES on February 27, 2011, 09:02:56 PM
SHUT THE FUCK UP! (http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http://www.youtube.com/v/aEiWoWoM4R0&start1=0&video2=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4tinsXbdpc&start2=&h=1)
Vast improvement over the original.
I hear rumours that the rooster is looking to join BrokeNCYDE. Any truth to those?