http://www.cnbc.com/id/41969508
QuoteGovernment payouts—including Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance—make up more than a third of total wages and salaries of the U.S. population, a record figure that will only increase if action isn't taken before the majority of Baby Boomers enter retirement.
Even as the economy has recovered, social welfare benefits make up 35 percent of wages and salaries this year, up from 21 percent in 2000 and 10 percent in 1960, according to TrimTabs Investment Research using Bureau of Economic Analysis data.
"The U.S. economy has become alarmingly dependent on government stimulus," said Madeline Schnapp, director of Macroeconomic Research at TrimTabs, in a note to clients. "Consumption supported by wages and salaries is a much stronger foundation for economic growth than consumption based on social welfare benefits."
The economist gives the country two stark choices. In order to get welfare back to its pre-recession ratio of 26 percent of pay, "either wages and salaries would have to increase $2.3 trillion, or 35 percent, to $8.8 trillion, or social welfare benefits would have to decline $500 billion, or 23 percent, to $1.7 trillion," she said.
Last month, the Republican-led House of Representatives passed a $61 billion federal spending cut, but Senate Democratic leaders and the White House made it clear that had no chance of becoming law. Short-term resolutions passed have averted a government shutdown that could have occurred this month, as Vice President Biden leads negotiations with Republican leaders on some sort of long-term compromise.
"You've got to cut back government spending and the Republicans will run on this platform leading up to next year's election," said Joe Terranova, Chief Market Strategist for Virtus Investment Partners and a "Fast Money" trader.
Terranova noted some sort of opt out for social security or even raising the retirement age.
But the country may not be ready for these tough choices, even though economists like Schnapp say something will have to be done to avoid a significant economic crisis.
A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll released last week showed that less than a quarter of Americans supported making cuts to Social Security or Medicare in order to reign in the mounting budget deficit.
Those poll numbers may be skewed by a demographic shift the likes of which the nation has never seen. Only this year has the first round of baby boomers begun collecting Medicare benefits—and here comes 78 million more.
Social welfare benefits have increased by $514 billion over the last two years, according to TrimTabs figures, in part because of measures implemented to fight the financial crisis. Government spending normally takes on a larger part of the spending pie during economic calamities but how can the country change this make-up with the root of the crisis (housing) still on shaky ground, benchmark interest rates already cut to zero, and a demographic shift that calls for an increase in subsidies?
At the very least, we can take solace in the fact that we're not quite at the state welfare levels of Europe. In the U.K., social welfare benefits make up 44 percent of wages and salaries, according to TrimTabs' Schnapp.
"No matter how bad the situation is in the US, we stand far better on these issues (debt, demographics, entrepreneurship) than other countries," said Steve Cortes of Veracruz Research. "On a relative basis, America remains the world leader and, as such, will also remain the world's reserve currency."
(emphasis is mine)
dumping this here before I leave for home, so probably wont be able to discuss until tomorrow. I can't imagine anyone thinking this is a good thing, but I'd love to hear thoughts on why if anyone DOES.
Of course this is a good thing.
It will drive the teabaggers bananas...and isn't that what really matters?
TGRR,
Has no interest in the actual well being of the nation.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 10:06:54 PM
Of course this is a good thing.
It will drive the teabaggers bananas...and isn't that what really matters?
TGRR,
Has no interest in the actual well being of the nation.
Except, of course, for the percentage of teabaggers actually ON Medicare, Social Security, and collecting unemployment.
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 11:30:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 10:06:54 PM
Of course this is a good thing.
It will drive the teabaggers bananas...and isn't that what really matters?
TGRR,
Has no interest in the actual well being of the nation.
Except, of course, for the percentage of teabaggers actually ON Medicare, Social Security, and collecting unemployment.
It will still drive them crazy, maybe moreso due to the conflict between "SOCIALISMBAD" and "SHITNEEDOXYGENANDRASCAL"
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 11:30:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 10:06:54 PM
Of course this is a good thing.
It will drive the teabaggers bananas...and isn't that what really matters?
TGRR,
Has no interest in the actual well being of the nation.
Except, of course, for the percentage of teabaggers actually ON Medicare, Social Security, and collecting unemployment.
Hyup. Here's the thing--if anyone actually thinks those in the Libertarian or TeaParty are NEVER EVER government employees, on the public dole or Medicare/Welfare users...well, I got a bridge to sell you.
But and however, pointing out said hyprocrisy seemingly gets us NOFUCKINGWHERE with these idjits. It's like they're robots and just plug in the same thing over and over and over and over and over again. Not thinking, just emoting. Rage spewing with mighty spittleage. Justifiable because of their FEELINGS of displacement and anger at the establishment.
Never mind they ARE the establisment, use and ABUSE the establishment, and are the reason the establishment perpetuates, exists, etc. All the God-fearing, Conservative, white, aging, upper class men that run their government are THEIR HEROES! And I'm really fucking tired of TeaBaggers NOT realizing that they are just handing their asses to the GOP, lockstep, nonstop, over and over and over and over and over...
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 11:30:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 10:06:54 PM
Of course this is a good thing.
It will drive the teabaggers bananas...and isn't that what really matters?
TGRR,
Has no interest in the actual well being of the nation.
Except, of course, for the percentage of teabaggers actually ON Medicare, Social Security, and collecting unemployment.
Please, that's like 80% of them.
Quote from: Princess Suu the Apostate on March 10, 2011, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 11:30:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 10:06:54 PM
Of course this is a good thing.
It will drive the teabaggers bananas...and isn't that what really matters?
TGRR,
Has no interest in the actual well being of the nation.
Except, of course, for the percentage of teabaggers actually ON Medicare, Social Security, and collecting unemployment.
Please, that's like 80% of them.
We could eliminate the military. That would end a good deal of this largesse.
Does this include wages payed out by companies with government contracts?
Quote from: Princess Suu the Apostate on March 10, 2011, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 11:30:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 10:06:54 PM
Of course this is a good thing.
It will drive the teabaggers bananas...and isn't that what really matters?
TGRR,
Has no interest in the actual well being of the nation.
Except, of course, for the percentage of teabaggers actually ON Medicare, Social Security, and collecting unemployment.
Please, that's like 80% of them.
:cn:
Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 10, 2011, 03:35:00 PM
Does this include wages payed out by companies with government contracts?
can't be sure, would have to get into the report. I don't believe that was part of the scope, but when I find out I'll post.
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 03:49:38 PM
Quote from: Princess Suu the Apostate on March 10, 2011, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 11:30:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 10:06:54 PM
Of course this is a good thing.
It will drive the teabaggers bananas...and isn't that what really matters?
TGRR,
Has no interest in the actual well being of the nation.
Except, of course, for the percentage of teabaggers actually ON Medicare, Social Security, and collecting unemployment.
Please, that's like 80% of them.
:cn:
Okay, you tell me...How DO your buddies afford to stand around screaming incoherently at rallies 3 days a week?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2011, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 03:49:38 PM
Quote from: Princess Suu the Apostate on March 10, 2011, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 11:30:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 10:06:54 PM
Of course this is a good thing.
It will drive the teabaggers bananas...and isn't that what really matters?
TGRR,
Has no interest in the actual well being of the nation.
Except, of course, for the percentage of teabaggers actually ON Medicare, Social Security, and collecting unemployment.
Please, that's like 80% of them.
:cn:
Okay, you tell me...How DO your buddies afford to stand around screaming incoherently at rallies 3 days a week?
I don't know these rallies you speak of. Neither I, nor anyone I know goes to rallies. And if we did, I think it would be hard to find one that is held 3 times a week, consistently.
Taking a few days off so you can show up at one is the most common method I believe. Isn't that what's happening in Wisconsin?
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 04:10:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2011, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 03:49:38 PM
Quote from: Princess Suu the Apostate on March 10, 2011, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 11:30:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 10:06:54 PM
Of course this is a good thing.
It will drive the teabaggers bananas...and isn't that what really matters?
TGRR,
Has no interest in the actual well being of the nation.
Except, of course, for the percentage of teabaggers actually ON Medicare, Social Security, and collecting unemployment.
Please, that's like 80% of them.
:cn:
Okay, you tell me...How DO your buddies afford to stand around screaming incoherently at rallies 3 days a week?
I don't know these rallies you speak of. Neither I, nor anyone I know goes to rallies. And if we did, I think it would be hard to find one that is held 3 times a week, consistently.
Taking a few days off so you can show up at one is the most common method I believe. Isn't that what's happening in Wisconsin?
Not very important. I was just fishing a bit, to see if you identified yourself with the teabaggers.
Thank you for confirming that.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2011, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 04:10:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2011, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 03:49:38 PM
Quote from: Princess Suu the Apostate on March 10, 2011, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 11:30:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 10:06:54 PM
Of course this is a good thing.
It will drive the teabaggers bananas...and isn't that what really matters?
TGRR,
Has no interest in the actual well being of the nation.
Except, of course, for the percentage of teabaggers actually ON Medicare, Social Security, and collecting unemployment.
Please, that's like 80% of them.
:cn:
Okay, you tell me...How DO your buddies afford to stand around screaming incoherently at rallies 3 days a week?
I don't know these rallies you speak of. Neither I, nor anyone I know goes to rallies. And if we did, I think it would be hard to find one that is held 3 times a week, consistently.
Taking a few days off so you can show up at one is the most common method I believe. Isn't that what's happening in Wisconsin?
Not very important. I was just fishing a bit, to see if you identified yourself with the teabaggers.
Thank you for confirming that.
I've said before that I campaigned for Ron Paul in 07 and donated some time to The Republican Liberty caucus here in Florida, then bailed when it became overrun with religious social conservatives. Some of them mean well, and I met some very nice, dedicated and passionate people who expressed their beliefs intelligently and fluently, it just isn't my cup of tea to tell people what they can and can't do with their own bodies. To me, that's at complete odds with the concept of liberty, and such a glaring contradiction that I couldn't bring myself to participate.
feel free to laugh at the monkey thinking anything will change by volunteering. I've had a few good laughs about it over the years since.
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 04:58:24 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2011, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 04:10:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2011, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 03:49:38 PM
Quote from: Princess Suu the Apostate on March 10, 2011, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 11:30:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 10:06:54 PM
Of course this is a good thing.
It will drive the teabaggers bananas...and isn't that what really matters?
TGRR,
Has no interest in the actual well being of the nation.
Except, of course, for the percentage of teabaggers actually ON Medicare, Social Security, and collecting unemployment.
Please, that's like 80% of them.
:cn:
Okay, you tell me...How DO your buddies afford to stand around screaming incoherently at rallies 3 days a week?
I don't know these rallies you speak of. Neither I, nor anyone I know goes to rallies. And if we did, I think it would be hard to find one that is held 3 times a week, consistently.
Taking a few days off so you can show up at one is the most common method I believe. Isn't that what's happening in Wisconsin?
Not very important. I was just fishing a bit, to see if you identified yourself with the teabaggers.
Thank you for confirming that.
I've said before that I campaigned for Ron Paul in 07 and donated some time to The Republican Liberty caucus here in Florida, then bailed when it became overrun with religious social conservatives. Some of them mean well, and I met some very nice, dedicated and passionate people who expressed their beliefs intelligently and fluently, it just isn't my cup of tea to tell people what they can and can't do with their own bodies. To me, that's at complete odds with the concept of liberty, and such a glaring contradiction that I couldn't bring myself to participate.
feel free to laugh at the monkey thinking anything will change by volunteering. I've had a few good laughs about it over the years since.
As for me, I don't think you're necessarily stupid for volunteering or trying to make a difference. I do however think you are necessarily stupid for using the Republican Party for that goal.
Quote from: postvex™ on March 10, 2011, 05:00:12 PM
As for me, I don't think you're necessarily stupid for volunteering or trying to make a difference. I do however think you are necessarily stupid for using the Republican ANY POLITICAL Party for that goal.
Fixed that for ya Vex ;-)
I'm trying to get a reaction, not be objective.
I rarely run into any fiscally conservative, socially liberal Democrats. Not saying they don't exist, just haven't met any.
I have found them in the Republican party. They're usually holding their nose about it.
These guys were actually working to get people elected to precinct positions and local offices that hadn't been filled in years, or hadn't seen challengers in years. They had no problem calling out other Republicans on their shit, and two prominent members and local business owners were actually drummed out of the RPOF for DARING to question the platform and foreign policy positions of the RPOF and suggesting that the Republicans look less and less like Taft and more like Bush every year. They're still with the campaign for liberty, and stand up guys.
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 10, 2011, 05:05:56 PM
Quote from: postvex™ on March 10, 2011, 05:00:12 PM
As for me, I don't think you're necessarily stupid for volunteering or trying to make a difference. I do however think you are necessarily stupid for using the Republican ANY POLITICAL Party for that goal.
Fixed that for ya Vex ;-)
Ratatosk is driving the correct two-wheeled, motorized conveyance.
Why the hell are we even discussing monkey politics? Who cares what the primates do?
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 05:28:06 PM
I rarely run into any fiscally conservative, socially liberal Democrats. Not saying they don't exist, just haven't met any.
The bolded term is an impossibility in governance. Fiscal responsibility requires efficiency, and governments are by definition not efficient. It is not in their nature, or indeed even desireable.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 10, 2011, 05:54:53 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 05:28:06 PM
I rarely run into any fiscally conservative, socially liberal Democrats. Not saying they don't exist, just haven't met any.
The bolded term is an impossibility in governance. Fiscal responsibility requires efficiency, and governments are by definition not efficient. It is not in their nature, or indeed even desireable.
:horrormirth:
LEAVE MY ILLUSIONS ALONE!
but yeah, you're tragically correct.
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 05:57:42 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 10, 2011, 05:54:53 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 05:28:06 PM
I rarely run into any fiscally conservative, socially liberal Democrats. Not saying they don't exist, just haven't met any.
The bolded term is an impossibility in governance. Fiscal responsibility requires efficiency, and governments are by definition not efficient. It is not in their nature, or indeed even desireable.
:horrormirth:
LEAVE MY ILLUSIONS ALONE!
but yeah, you're tragically correct.
One man's tragedy is another man's pinata party.
But, given the above, what exactly are you trying to do? If something is impossible, you are by definition wasting your energy - and precious time on this planet - chasing it.
If your strategy can't work, change your strategy.
If your goals are unobtainable, change your goals.
If you're just in it for the chicks, look up Lyndon LaRouche. His chicks are hotter, and they'll fuck anything that claims to be crazy.
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 10, 2011, 05:05:56 PM
Quote from: postvex™ on March 10, 2011, 05:00:12 PM
As for me, I don't think you're necessarily stupid for volunteering or trying to make a difference. I do however think you are necessarily stupid for using the Republican ANY POLITICAL Party for that goal.
Fixed that for ya Vex ;-)
The only stupidity is in doing it
for free.
Quote from: Cain on March 10, 2011, 06:22:52 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 10, 2011, 05:05:56 PM
Quote from: postvex™ on March 10, 2011, 05:00:12 PM
As for me, I don't think you're necessarily stupid for volunteering or trying to make a difference. I do however think you are necessarily stupid for using the Republican ANY POLITICAL Party for that goal.
Fixed that for ya Vex ;-)
The only stupidity is in doing it for free.
:bob: Approved.
mostly to help create a dialogue on foreign policy within a party that has for decades, at all levels, put forth the idea that questioning other members is off limits and you're to sit down, shut up, and vote the ticket.
To offer up differing perspectives to the younger ones I meet who are really just parroting what they've heard from their parents (a problem with people on both sides, IMO)
In discussions, when I heard signs of unsupported yet vehement prejudice with regard to anyone not born within these artificial borders, I'd draw them out about it and try and shine a bright light on it and where they must have learned it.
Even if I can't change their mind, I hoped I'd give them enough information to make them curious and pause before regurgitating the same tired talking points they picked up on their favorite blog.
I know monkey politics doesn't jive with your view of discordia, but I'm not here for your approval or disapproval. Don't get me wrong, I hate you just enough to like you Rev. but I happen to still have a bit of my idealism in my early 30's after one hell of a childhood that would have led many another monkey to prison, a grave, or worse, and that's pretty fucking cool IMO.
I'm going to hold on to it for a bit longer, use it up. if I end up as jaded as you in my later years, so be it, I wont buck it. I'll embrace it willingly.
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 06:37:17 PM
To offer up differing perspectives to the younger ones I meet who are really just parroting what they've heard from their parents (a problem with people on both sides, IMO)
There are no "sides". There is an arbitrary and false distinction which is used to keep primates arguing with each other, instead of the people that are fucking them.
There's an old English proverb that fits here: "If you keep being their cunt, they'll keep fucking you."
But far be it from me to step between a primate and his/her irrational beliefs. Carry on.
false dichotomy. I know. Convincing people of that always seemed to be one of the hardest things at which to get them to look.
The "I'm right and they're wrong" script is really strong in almost everyone I've ever met. Except for the ones who just go with it and don't waste brain time thinking about monkey politics. They're the types I usually keep as close friends. We can bullshit about it all without taking any of it seriously.
Mental masturbation for guys that don't smoke herb anymore.
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 06:47:42 PM
false dichotomy. I know. Convincing people of that always seemed to be one of the hardest things at which to get them to look.
Obviously. You don't even seem to have convinced yourself.
I'm a primate, and completely susceptible to lapses of judgement and forgetting important things, and or setting them aside entirely temporarily, especially for the sake of a good discussion.
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 06:59:55 PM
I'm a primate, and completely susceptible to lapses of judgement and forgetting important things, and or setting them aside entirely temporarily, especially for the sake of a good discussion.
Which is of course another way of saying that you are still a product of one particular brand of programming.
When questioned closely, you are capable of seeing the false dichotomy that is sold to the American public via every means of transmission available. When left to your own devices, you revert to irrational beliefs.
why else do you think I keep coming here? sudden personality changes are, in my experience, dangerous.. at the very least they can be confusing, leaving far more questions behind than the new answers are supposed to fill. reprogramming is a process. Have to tear out the bad wood first.
I'll get there. In my own time.
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 07:14:43 PM
why else do you think I keep coming here? sudden personality changes are, in my experience, dangerous..
Rubbish. Next you'll be claiming that driving using "the force" is dangerous.
Or you'll be insisting that "Sunroofing" is somehow "risky".
Quote from: Cain on March 10, 2011, 06:22:52 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 10, 2011, 05:05:56 PM
Quote from: postvex™ on March 10, 2011, 05:00:12 PM
As for me, I don't think you're necessarily stupid for volunteering or trying to make a difference. I do however think you are necessarily stupid for using the Republican ANY POLITICAL Party for that goal.
Fixed that for ya Vex ;-)
The only stupidity is in doing it for free.
:lulz:
You Are Correct, Sir!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2011, 07:18:02 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 07:14:43 PM
why else do you think I keep coming here? sudden personality changes are, in my experience, dangerous..
Rubbish. Next you'll be claiming that driving using "the force" is dangerous.
Or you'll be insisting that "Sunroofing" is somehow "risky".
using the power of your mind to zip up your pants. That's what I call risky.
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 07:22:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2011, 07:18:02 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 07:14:43 PM
why else do you think I keep coming here? sudden personality changes are, in my experience, dangerous..
Rubbish. Next you'll be claiming that driving using "the force" is dangerous.
Or you'll be insisting that "Sunroofing" is somehow "risky".
using the power of your mind to zip up your pants. That's what I call risky.
:?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2011, 07:23:05 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 07:22:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2011, 07:18:02 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 07:14:43 PM
why else do you think I keep coming here? sudden personality changes are, in my experience, dangerous..
Rubbish. Next you'll be claiming that driving using "the force" is dangerous.
Or you'll be insisting that "Sunroofing" is somehow "risky".
using the power of your mind to zip up your pants. That's what I call risky.
:?
yeah, kind of non sequitur. It was funnier in my head. most things are. I have to bail on this convo for now. I'm buried in wiring diagrams. Pick it up another time.
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 07:25:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2011, 07:23:05 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 07:22:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2011, 07:18:02 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 07:14:43 PM
why else do you think I keep coming here? sudden personality changes are, in my experience, dangerous..
Rubbish. Next you'll be claiming that driving using "the force" is dangerous.
Or you'll be insisting that "Sunroofing" is somehow "risky".
using the power of your mind to zip up your pants. That's what I call risky.
:?
yeah, kind of non sequitur. It was funnier in my head. most things are. I have to bail on this convo for now. I'm buried in wiring diagrams. Pick it up another time.
Oh, yes. Pinealism. Good show.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2011, 07:26:18 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 07:25:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2011, 07:23:05 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 07:22:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2011, 07:18:02 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 10, 2011, 07:14:43 PM
why else do you think I keep coming here? sudden personality changes are, in my experience, dangerous..
Rubbish. Next you'll be claiming that driving using "the force" is dangerous.
Or you'll be insisting that "Sunroofing" is somehow "risky".
using the power of your mind to zip up your pants. That's what I call risky.
:?
yeah, kind of non sequitur. It was funnier in my head. most things are. I have to bail on this convo for now. I'm buried in wiring diagrams. Pick it up another time.
Oh, yes. Pinealism. Good show.
failed attempt at light humor /= pinealism. Well, to you it might. I suppose it's subjective.
Pickle: out
I really should learn to behave myself around free mart tards.
:sad: