I started watching a documentary about nerdcore hip hop the other day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerdcore_hip_hop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerdcore_hip_hop)
Anyone else familiar or into it? Suggestions on artists to listen to?
nerdcore is awesomes.
WOOOO! MC CHRIS, Y'ALL!
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/garbage-day/nerdcore-protomen-8bit.php (http://www.somethingawful.com/d/garbage-day/nerdcore-protomen-8bit.php)
Quote from: The Commander on March 22, 2011, 07:17:12 AM
I started watching a documentary about nerdcore hip hop the other day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerdcore_hip_hop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerdcore_hip_hop)
Anyone else familiar or into it? Suggestions on artists to listen to?
I suggest Tupac Shakur's
All Eyez On Me.
That should cure you of wanting to listen to a bunch of nerdy honkies try to rap.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 22, 2011, 03:34:37 PM
Quote from: The Commander on March 22, 2011, 07:17:12 AM
I started watching a documentary about nerdcore hip hop the other day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerdcore_hip_hop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerdcore_hip_hop)
Anyone else familiar or into it? Suggestions on artists to listen to?
I suggest Tupac Shakur's All Eyez On Me.
That should cure you of wanting to listen to a bunch of nerdy honkies try to rap.
:lulz:
Quote from: The Commander on March 22, 2011, 07:17:12 AM
I started watching a documentary about nerdcore hip hop the other day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerdcore_hip_hop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerdcore_hip_hop)
Anyone else familiar or into it? Suggestions on artists to listen to?
QuoteWhen an artist adapts a form of media into another form, they have one chief responsibility - to use that new form in a way that portrays the subject matter in a different, but still appropriate, light. Someone who instead simply aligns himself with something already profitable for attention without anything new to add to the mix is called a hack. Or a Star Wars novelist.
Burn. :lulz:
I'm a big fan of nerdcore.
The big names are MC Chris and MC Front A Lot, bot talented artists. one of my personal favorite groups is Emergency Pizza Party (gotta love a group that does a nerdcore rap opera about the zombie apocalypse) MC++ and MC Lars are both pretty good, and Zealous1 and YTcracker have some pretty good stuff.
White Kids Love Hip-Hop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wHOacltP4
MC Chris featuring Andy Merril.
:lulz:
Is Lonely Island "nerdcore"? I am not sure I understand this term.
How about the Beastie Boys?
Quote from: Nigel on March 23, 2011, 02:15:16 AM
Is Lonely Island "nerdcore"? I am not sure I understand this term.
How about the Beastie Boys?
Nope, not at all.
Quote from: Nigel on March 23, 2011, 02:15:16 AM
Is Lonely Island "nerdcore"? I am not sure I understand this term.
How about the Beastie Boys?
Nerdcore usually includes more geeky/nerdy references than either of those groups. Lots of rapping about star wars, video games, zombies, and so forth.
It's basically the definition of Asperges. I demand that every form I engage with has immediate relevance to my die cast figurines. It's like a grown ass man insisting on Flintstones vitamins or something.
You see me I like songs that are just nice noises, or else about fucking or war or the brushing of teeth with a bottle of Jack.
MC Hawking: Entropy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bueZoYhUlg
Ah, the SNL video Lazy Sunday makes more sense now, I think...
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/chronicles-of-narnia-lazy-sunday/2921/
Quote from: Slyph on March 23, 2011, 12:22:56 PM
It's basically the definition of Asperges. I demand that every form I engage with has immediate relevance to my die cast figurines. It's like a grown ass man insisting on Flintstones vitamins or something.
You see me I like songs that are just nice noises, or else about fucking or war or the brushing of teeth with a bottle of Jack.
Who the fuck is this n00b
I like it
Quote from: Jenne on March 23, 2011, 12:44:17 PM
Ah, the SNL video Lazy Sunday makes more sense now, I think...
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/chronicles-of-narnia-lazy-sunday/2921/
I am angry about the Outback Steakhouse ad, but the rest of the video was hilarious!
Also that kid with the curly hair is hot as fuck.
Andy Samberg? Fuck yeah. He's the one that did the "Dick In My Box" and "Mother Lover" vids with Justin Timberlake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usc_9izbJBU
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/8d848ed06e/mother-lover-uncensored
I would bone the hell out of that dude.
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on March 23, 2011, 12:37:10 PM
MC Hawking: Entropy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bueZoYhUlg
This is making me laugh till I'm all out of breath and shit
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
MC Hawking is the shit!
Quote from: Slyph on March 23, 2011, 12:22:56 PM
It's basically the definition of Asperges. I demand that every form I engage with has immediate relevance to my die cast figurines. It's like a grown ass man insisting on Flintstones vitamins or something.
You see me I like songs that are just nice noises, or else about fucking or war or the brushing of teeth with a bottle of Jack.
But I
like Flintsones vitamins. :(
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on March 23, 2011, 07:58:11 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 23, 2011, 02:15:16 AM
Is Lonely Island "nerdcore"? I am not sure I understand this term.
How about the Beastie Boys?
Nerdcore usually includes more geeky/nerdy references than either of those groups. Lots of rapping about star wars, video games, zombies, and so forth.
Where does Swollen Members fall?
Exhibit A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxmMAsr7o4s&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxmMAsr7o4s&feature=related)
Much Better Exhibit B: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckBWUEq0V60&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckBWUEq0V60&feature=related)
Swollen Members is NOT fucking nerdcore, or whatever that crap is. Just because they have one or two songs where they mention D&D doesn't make them part of that stupid subgenre.
As my counter, I offer this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EAguvuWras
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 26, 2011, 07:40:16 AM
Swollen Members is NOT fucking nerdcore, or whatever that crap is. Just because they have one or two songs where they mention D&D doesn't make them part of that stupid subgenre.
As my counter, I offer this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EAguvuWras
fucking love black magic.
favorite song on that album is grind.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 26, 2011, 07:40:16 AM
Swollen Members is NOT fucking nerdcore, or whatever that crap is. Just because they have one or two songs where they mention D&D doesn't make them part of that stupid subgenre.
As my counter, I offer this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EAguvuWras
If that was case...wouldn't that make Led Zeppelin nerdcore also. Considering they sing about hobbits.
I'd take the stance that Led Zeppelin is closer to nerdcore than Swollen Members.
This is like saying that Little Rock is closer to Pluto than to the Oort Cloud.
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on March 22, 2011, 11:26:28 PM
White Kids Love Hip-Hop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3wHOacltP4
MC Chris featuring Andy Merril.
:lulz:
Whiiiiiiiite kids love hiiiiiiip hop! Whiiiiiiiite kids love hiiiiiiiiip hop!
And now some Baba Brinkman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nownYGmLwZE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAYVY2eLMck
I found an old cd with some of MC Hawking's earliest stuff, before it became all about rapping about science. The funniest song he ever did was a Led Zeppelin Medley. Now I just need to figure out how to put it on internetz.
At least according to the documentary, a person or group is only nerdcore if they identify themselves as such. So while someone like Weird Al or Led Zepplin might have certain songs that would appeal to the nerdcore ascetic, they do not identify as nerdcore artists.
Well, my computer can't read the disc, even though my DVD player can.
I found it here, anyway:
http://vader.mindtel.com/users/davew/02-1/mp34thee/LedZeppelinMedley.mp3
This is one of the first songs he ever released. abmp3.com says it was made in 1994. I remember hearing it the late 1900's/early 2000's.
I'll admit to having Futuristic Sex Robotz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etGAMudQl8Q) in my music folder.
I also started listening to the Protomen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnkbJ-H4r5k) about a week ago, and I've been listening to Acts I & II daily trying to memorize all the words. But Megaman is right up there along with Lord of the Rings and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles as one of the foundational myths of my childhood, so that's really no surprise.
I am going to have to get some of MC Hawkings' stuff because of this thread.
I think quite a bunch of "nerdcore" songs are funny and entertaining, but the lot of em really didn't need to have gone so far as to build an entire genre out of it.
That's where I'm at. It's a mildly amusing gag in small doses, but I don't think I could take an entire album of it, let alone an entire sub-genre full of aspies.
I see nerdcore as a parody of other genres that probably didn't need their own genre, like gangsta rap and dubstep.
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on March 30, 2011, 09:48:18 AM
I see nerdcore as a parody of other genres that probably didn't need their own genre, like gangsta rap and dubstep.
Agreed
Music is either noise or...noise with rhythm.
I just invented a new sub-genre of dubstep called toddstep.
It's dubstep played by a guy named Todd.
I can do that.
I like how you lumped gangsta rap in with dubstep and nerdcore, as if the genre weren't littered with commercially successful releases and artists with broad crossover appeal.
I mean, MC Hawking and NWA totally belong in the same conversation. :lulz:
Now that I think about it, MC Hawking clearly belongs in the gangsta rap genre, not nerdcore.
I must admit, however, that gangsta rap has been much more successful than other crime related music genres, such as...
Arson Ragtime
Pedophilia Bluegrass
Embezzlement Folk
Perjury Honkey Tonk
Daterape Opera
Attempted Manslaughter / Jaywalking / Jazz - Funk Fusion
Treason Breakbeat
:spittake:
well played, sir.
I've been waiting to use that one for a long time.
... a really long time.
I think when I first came up with it, MTV was still mostly music videos.
Considering the majority of themes, "Daterape Opera" might actually be a viable term.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 01, 2011, 08:13:05 PM
Considering the majority of themes, "Daterape Opera" might actually be a viable term.
I think after rap, opera combines better with any given crime than any other music genre.
what about "speeding metal"?
and of course the ever-popular "insulting an officer punkrock"
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 02, 2011, 12:03:52 AM
what about "speeding metal"?
and of course the ever-popular "insulting an officer punkrock"
Those are just called "Metal" and "Punk" respectively.
Daterape Opera has a ring to it.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: That was Epic.
I disagree about Nerdcore not deserving to be a genre on its own. The use of comedy by a large number of the artists does not inherently disqualify it from having artistic merit. Plenty of "mainstream" rap artists have infused their lyrics and videos with humor. Busta Rhymes, Obie Trice, Snoop Dog, 50 Cent, Public Enemy...all of them have used humor to a verying degree.
I also don't think you can judge the genre on the quality of the production and performances. It's still pretty early on in the genres development. Think back to the early days of hip hop and the quality of those productions. Not real great. Gradually, as it caught on, production values and quality improved. Right now, only MC Chris and MC Frontalot really produce anything of high quality, but I think given time that will change.
In the meantime...consider the video below. Would you say "Chap Hop" like that of Mr. B qualifies as Nerdcore, strictly rap parody, or a little of both. Either way, I give mad props to anyone who plays the Banjolele.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t28COxEp2k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t28COxEp2k)
I think you're missing the point, which is that Nerdcore is a gag-genre only suitable for serious consideration by basement-dwelling white kids with aspergers.
That doesn't mean it lacks artistic merit, just that my contempt for the target demographic makes me lose interest.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on April 02, 2011, 08:02:39 PM
I think you're missing the point, which is that Nerdcore is a gag-genre only suitable for serious consideration by basement-dwelling white kids with aspergers.
That doesn't mean it lacks artistic merit, just that my contempt for the target demographic makes me lose interest.
Well, that's a different matter all together. Nothing wrong with contempt for people with Aspergers. God, I hate those guys.
I know, right?
"HAY GUIZE, I KNOW I'M A SOCIALLY INEPT DICKHEAD BUT IT'S OK, I DON'T HAVE TO WORK ON THAT ANYMORE BECAUSE I SELF-DIAGNOSED MYSELF WITH ASSBURGERS! IT'S A REAL DISEASE AND EVERYTHING!"
\
:nigel:
Seriously.
They're almost as bad as diabetics.
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on April 02, 2011, 08:15:18 PM
Seriously.
They're almost as bad as diabetics.
Don't forget cancer patients. Get a few abnormal cells and they get ALL the attention. Jerks.
Quote from: The Commander on April 02, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
I also don't think you can judge the genre on the quality of the production and performances. It's still pretty early on in the genres development.
Huh, I heard nerdcore tracks as early as 12 years ago (KOMPRESSOR feat. MC Frontalot). They were probably busy long before that, too.
It's just that I think it's cool there's a few people that think "hey let's make geek inspired rap songs" first, and then others decide to call it "nerdcore" later, that's fine. But as soon as there's people that think "hey let's make NERDCORE", I think "no you're just doing someone else's shtick now", fans go "I'm really into NERDCORE", and that's what I mean when I say they didn't have to make an entire genre out of it.
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 02, 2011, 08:29:37 PM
Quote from: The Commander on April 02, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
I also don't think you can judge the genre on the quality of the production and performances. It's still pretty early on in the genres development.
Huh, I heard nerdcore tracks as early as 12 years ago (KOMPRESSOR feat. MC Frontalot). They were probably busy long before that, too.
It's just that I think it's cool there's a few people that think "hey let's make geek inspired rap songs" first, and then others decide to call it "nerdcore" later, that's fine. But as soon as there's people that think "hey let's make NERDCORE", I think "no you're just doing someone else's shtick now", fans go "I'm really into NERDCORE", and that's what I mean when I say they didn't have to make an entire genre out of it.
Not that I would encourage anyone to try to make music that fit only within a specific genre...but I kind of thought the way you describe things is pretty much how all genres develop? A couple of people make music that is similar in some way, it catches on, and then others inspired by it start trying to do something similar. I think that sort of thing is kind of inevitable.
I guess I am less concerned about someones motivations for making music than I am with how much do I like what they have made.
Is it nerdcore if it's rock music?
Because I've heard a lot of good video-game centric rock music.
Ex. A: http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR01224/
It's one thing to make kinda geeky music because that's just who you are. I mean, if you grew up in the ghetto, rap about the ghetto; if you grew up downloading shit off BBSes, rap about that. It becomes entirely different to my way of thinking when people try to build an entire identity out of it. That's when it gets annoying. It's like the difference between people who like Star Trek and people who are full-on Trekkies.
I don't have a problem with nerdcore as a genre so long as the music's of quality and the artist has something to say. If it's just "lol nerdz represent!" shit, then yeah, fuck the aspies. Content's important to me though. I hate rap songs that glorify gang violence and country music that embraces ignorance, too, but that doesn't mean all rap and country falls into those categories (disclaimer: I don't really listen to either of those genres).
Also, it'd be really easy for me to dislike a lot of different kinds of music, even particular bands, because their fanbases suck, but I'd be missing out on some good stuff if I just automatically rejected anything that someone in a damn wolf shirt might like too.
Quote from: The Commander on April 02, 2011, 08:20:45 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on April 02, 2011, 08:15:18 PM
Seriously.
They're almost as bad as diabetics.
Don't forget cancer patients. Get a few abnormal cells and they get ALL the attention. Jerks.
:lulz:
You guys think I was kidding, I take it.
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 02, 2011, 08:29:37 PM
Quote from: The Commander on April 02, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
I also don't think you can judge the genre on the quality of the production and performances. It's still pretty early on in the genres development.
Huh, I heard nerdcore tracks as early as 12 years ago (KOMPRESSOR feat. MC Frontalot). They were probably busy long before that, too.
It's just that I think it's cool there's a few people that think "hey let's make geek inspired rap songs" first, and then others decide to call it "nerdcore" later, that's fine. But as soon as there's people that think "hey let's make NERDCORE", I think "no you're just doing someone else's shtick now", fans go "I'm really into NERDCORE", and that's what I mean when I say they didn't have to make an entire genre out of it.
Isn't that how every genre gets started?
In order for "Nerdcore" to be a legitimate genre, does "Nerd" first need to be a legitimate culture?
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on April 02, 2011, 09:20:19 PM
Quote from: The Commander on April 02, 2011, 08:20:45 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on April 02, 2011, 08:15:18 PM
Seriously.
They're almost as bad as diabetics.
Don't forget cancer patients. Get a few abnormal cells and they get ALL the attention. Jerks.
:lulz:
You guys think I was kidding, I take it.
Kidding about what?
I agree that there are people out there who have been diagnosed (self or otherwise) with some kind of mental thingamasyndrome, and use that as an excuse not to try not to be asshats.
I was mainly just making a diabetes reference because diabetes references are cool. :asshat:
Quote from: The Commander on April 02, 2011, 08:43:16 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 02, 2011, 08:29:37 PM
Quote from: The Commander on April 02, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
I also don't think you can judge the genre on the quality of the production and performances. It's still pretty early on in the genres development.
Huh, I heard nerdcore tracks as early as 12 years ago (KOMPRESSOR feat. MC Frontalot). They were probably busy long before that, too.
It's just that I think it's cool there's a few people that think "hey let's make geek inspired rap songs" first, and then others decide to call it "nerdcore" later, that's fine. But as soon as there's people that think "hey let's make NERDCORE", I think "no you're just doing someone else's shtick now", fans go "I'm really into NERDCORE", and that's what I mean when I say they didn't have to make an entire genre out of it.
Not that I would encourage anyone to try to make music that fit only within a specific genre...but I kind of thought the way you describe things is pretty much how all genres develop? A couple of people make music that is similar in some way, it catches on, and then others inspired by it start trying to do something similar. I think that sort of thing is kind of inevitable.
I guess I am less concerned about someones motivations for making music than I am with how much do I like what they have made.
Okay you're right. I just think they should have made less of it then.
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Yo, dawg.
I think it's time to drop the 'beetus up in here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pod4jIKT_kA
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Quote from: Rip City Hustle on April 02, 2011, 08:11:56 PM
I know, right?
"HAY GUIZE, I KNOW I'M A SOCIALLY INEPT DICKHEAD BUT IT'S OK, I DON'T HAVE TO WORK ON THAT ANYMORE BECAUSE I SELF-DIAGNOSED MYSELF WITH ASSBURGERS! IT'S A REAL DISEASE AND EVERYTHING!"
\
:nigel:
Ohh baby... Have I been waiting for THIS tired shit to rear it's ugly head.
People self-diagnose with actual illnesses they don't actually have all the fucking time. "I'm such a schitz" etc.
Exactly why does this make a clinical Asperger Syndrome diagnosis suspect? Why do you say it's not a real illness?
Quote from: Slyph on April 03, 2011, 12:21:41 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on April 02, 2011, 08:11:56 PM
I know, right?
"HAY GUIZE, I KNOW I'M A SOCIALLY INEPT DICKHEAD BUT IT'S OK, I DON'T HAVE TO WORK ON THAT ANYMORE BECAUSE I SELF-DIAGNOSED MYSELF WITH ASSBURGERS! IT'S A REAL DISEASE AND EVERYTHING!"
\
:nigel:
Ohh baby... Have I been waiting for THIS tired shit to rear it's ugly head.
People self-diagnose with actual illnesses they don't actually have all the fucking time. "I'm such a schitz" etc.
Exactly why does this make a clinical Asperger Syndrome diagnosis suspect? Why do you say it's not a real illness?
People who claim to have it to excuse their assdickishnessholery are super annoying. People who feel the pedantic need to defend the existence of Asperger's Syndrome on the internet fall under this category.
I don't think anyone denies that autism exists. However, Internet Asperger's Syndrome is a whole other thing.
It's only a problem when they use it as an excuse to be a shithead. We've had several members/trolls on this board be incredibly insanely obnoxious and then claim "well I have aspergers so I can't help it".
This is of course bullshit, and thankfully, most people with actual aspergers do not use it as an excuse for being a cunt. But then, most of them simply don't mention it at all, and try to fit in like everybody else.
These two things together make that the people that loudly claim to have aspergers are usually the same ones that use it as an excuse for being a pedantic annoying dipshit.
The "self-diagnosed" thing, I have no idea where that comes from. The trolls using their aspergers as an excuse for being pissheads all claimed to have been clinically diagnosed, and observing their behaviour, I actually have not much reason to doubt them.
It's probably because calling them "self-diagnosed" is such an easy button to push and they get all pumped up with self-righteous fury and yeah it's funny to watch.
I don't think they're actually self-diagnosed. I mean, what's the use? You get a social stigma, but none of the benefits from having an official clinical diagnosis. And if someone self-diagnoses in order to use it as an excuse to be an obnoxious cunt, not realizing that on the Internet you don't actually need any excuse to be an obnoxious cunt, then they probably really do have aspergers, PDD-NOS or something autism spectrum related anyway.
Quote from: Nigel on April 03, 2011, 03:42:14 PMPeople who claim to have it to excuse their assdickishnessholery are super annoying. People who feel the pedantic need to defend the existence of Asperger's Syndrome on the internet fall under this category.
Huh? "To defend the existence of Asperger's Syndrome on the Internet"? That's like defending the existence of girls on the Internet. There's people with Aspergers, and some of them* are on the Internet. What's there to defend?
And pedantry, like it or not, really is one of the symptoms of certain types of autism. Some people can resist it, or keep it to themselves, others can't. But that doesn't make it okay, nor should it give anybody a sense of entitlement to be pedantic about everything. It does, however, give others the opportunity or a reason to have a littlebit more patience, but this is not required. Certainly not when they're being pricks.
*probably most of them
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 03, 2011, 04:13:35 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 03, 2011, 03:42:14 PMPeople who claim to have it to excuse their assdickishnessholery are super annoying. People who feel the pedantic need to defend the existence of Asperger's Syndrome on the internet fall under this category.
Huh? "To defend the existence of Asperger's Syndrome on the Internet"? That's like defending the existence of girls on the Internet. There's people with Aspergers, and some of them* are on the Internet. What's there to defend?
And pedantry, like it or not, really is one of the symptoms of certain types of autism. Some people can resist it, or keep it to themselves, others can't. But that doesn't make it okay, nor should it give anybody a sense of entitlement to be pedantic about everything. It does, however, give others the opportunity or a reason to have a littlebit more patience, but this is not required. Certainly not when they're being pricks.
*probably most of them
Yes, exactly.
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 03, 2011, 04:05:18 PM
It's only a problem when they use it as an excuse to be a shithead. We've had several members/trolls on this board be incredibly insanely obnoxious and then claim "well I have aspergers so I can't help it".
This is of course bullshit, and thankfully, most people with actual aspergers do not use it as an excuse for being a cunt. But then, most of them simply don't mention it at all, and try to fit in like everybody else.
These two things together make that the people that loudly claim to have aspergers are usually the same ones that use it as an excuse for being a pedantic annoying dipshit.
The "self-diagnosed" thing, I have no idea where that comes from. The trolls using their aspergers as an excuse for being pissheads all claimed to have been clinically diagnosed, and observing their behaviour, I actually have not much reason to doubt them.
It's probably because calling them "self-diagnosed" is such an easy button to push and they get all pumped up with self-righteous fury and yeah it's funny to watch.
I don't think they're actually self-diagnosed. I mean, what's the use? You get a social stigma, but none of the benefits from having an official clinical diagnosis. And if someone self-diagnoses in order to use it as an excuse to be an obnoxious cunt, not realizing that on the Internet you don't actually need any excuse to be an obnoxious cunt, then they probably really do have aspergers, PDD-NOS or something autism spectrum related anyway.
I have a good friend with Autism, I don't know exactly what kind but I know that he does occasionally use it as an excuse. He's socially perfectly capable, he just behaves in ways that are really bizarre sometimes, like if his lunch is missing one element that it is supposed to have he wont eat for three days.
I've also interacted with autistic folks who fit more into the stereotype, and are incredibly annoying for one reason or another. None of them have ever used it as an excuse, but their family and close friends often do.
Quote from: Nigel on April 03, 2011, 03:42:14 PM
People who claim to have it to excuse their assdickishnessholery are super annoying. People who feel the pedantic need to defend the existence of Asperger's Syndrome on the internet fall under this category.
I don't think anyone denies that autism exists. However, Internet Asperger's Syndrome is a whole other thing.
I don't feel it's pedantic. I think the "lol aspergers" thing crosses over into genuine victimization sometimes. Internet's pretty rotten about the whole thing, really. Plus, there are people who genuinely deny the diagnosis, considering Asperges diagnoses to be the medicalization of individual failings.
Having said that, people actually Do self-diagnose. a Lot, and the fellow-travellers are worst of the fucking bunch out of the "Autism Pride" idiots.
When people say that bringing it up's all about looking for an excuse, attention-seeking etc, they seem to be tacitly suggesting that "Keeping it to yourself" is the right thing to do, well, is that really a good attitude to have? "Well, it makes me feel uncomfortable, so clam up about it?" When you endorse Not talking about it as the right thing to do, are you invoking privacy or shame? If it's the former, aren't you asking social discernment from people who have trouble with social discernment?
There is a VAST difference between "talking about it" and "using it as an excuse".
Quote from: Nigel on April 03, 2011, 06:47:34 PM
There is a VAST difference between "talking about it" and "using it as an excuse".
Fair enough. I'm sorry all. I spose just had a shatfit at the implication that it wasn't real. I care for people with Autism and Aspergers for a living, and some people seriously do need the help :-/!
My friend's kid is autistic. He's an awesome kid. That has absolutely nothing to do with assholes on the Internet using Asperger's Syndrome as an excuse for assholery.
Slyph, to get an idea of the sort of shit we have had to deal with, check out our famous "The Internet Is So Fucking Fascist" thread.
It's a wonderful thread, and explains the reasons behind the reactions ITT better than our words can :-)
I have two good friends (adults) who fall on the Autism spectrum. One is an asshole online, but it's for the lulz and he doesn't use his diagnosis as an excuse. The other goes out and actively protests AGAINST Autism Speaks at their events (because they have repeatedly used her written work on autism spectrum disorders without her consent).
Quote from: KMy problems with autism speaks stem from their early stuff (I do not forgive or forget, and these are so related), the way they talk about autistics, the way their supporters treat autistics, like lesser beings.
Also, I am so OVER "awareness". Get some education goin' on-awareness is the No Child Left Behind of activism.
Also, Autism Speaks used some of my writing without permission, and again...I do not forgive or forget...especially when it's *on self advocacy* and they think it's appropriate to go over my head to an NT person (who denies giving them permission, incidentally). Not cool.
She's a badd ass.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on April 02, 2011, 09:37:05 PM
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Best Wilford Brimley post EVER!
You are my hero.
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Quote from: Nigel on April 03, 2011, 03:42:14 PM
Quote from: Slyph on April 03, 2011, 12:21:41 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on April 02, 2011, 08:11:56 PM
I know, right?
"HAY GUIZE, I KNOW I'M A SOCIALLY INEPT DICKHEAD BUT IT'S OK, I DON'T HAVE TO WORK ON THAT ANYMORE BECAUSE I SELF-DIAGNOSED MYSELF WITH ASSBURGERS! IT'S A REAL DISEASE AND EVERYTHING!"
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Ohh baby... Have I been waiting for THIS tired shit to rear it's ugly head.
People self-diagnose with actual illnesses they don't actually have all the fucking time. "I'm such a schitz" etc.
Exactly why does this make a clinical Asperger Syndrome diagnosis suspect? Why do you say it's not a real illness?
People who claim to have it to excuse their assdickishnessholery are super annoying. People who feel the pedantic need to defend the existence of Asperger's Syndrome on the internet fall under this category.
I don't think anyone denies that autism exists. However, Internet Asperger's Syndrome is a whole other thing.
^THIS, times a billionty-million
I'm related to someone who's about as textbook (real life) Asperger's Syndrome as you can get. Sometimes, this results in him unwittingly acting like a dick. It also means he was a special-ed student for a long time.
Difference between him and Internet "Aspies" (who may or may not have the disorder for real)?
1) Once he's thought about how his behavior is dickish, he usually feels really bad and finds ways to avoid doing it in the future.
2) He fought like a man possessed to make up for poor study skills and haul himself out of special-ed status, because he was sick of it.
Yeah, people who really have Aspergers usually feel bad about inadvertently being dicks.
People who use it as an excuse on the internet usually get mad at you for getting your feelings hurt by them, indicating that they probably aren't Aspies so much as sociopaths.
Quote from: Nigel on April 06, 2011, 04:22:44 PM
Yeah, people who really have Aspergers usually feel bad about inadvertently being dicks.
People who use it as an excuse on the internet usually get mad at you for getting your feelings hurt by them, indicating that they probably aren't Aspies so much as sociopaths.
Pretty sure one of the guys I know has Aspergers, I haven't asked, and no clue if he's diagnosed or not. He's annoying as all fuck, but there's no real harm to him.
The internet version, however, seems to be less a case of cluelessness and an inability to pick up on social cues (which is tough enough for ANYBODY, really), but an deeply ingrained case of dickheadedness and vindictiveness, with the EXCUSE of, "Oh, sorry, I figured I've got this, so I have an EXCUSE to be a douche."
Quote from: Luna on April 06, 2011, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 06, 2011, 04:22:44 PM
Yeah, people who really have Aspergers usually feel bad about inadvertently being dicks.
People who use it as an excuse on the internet usually get mad at you for getting your feelings hurt by them, indicating that they probably aren't Aspies so much as sociopaths.
Pretty sure one of the guys I know has Aspergers, I haven't asked, and no clue if he's diagnosed or not. He's annoying as all fuck, but there's no real harm to him.
The internet version, however, seems to be less a case of cluelessness and an inability to pick up on social cues (which is tough enough for ANYBODY, really), but an deeply ingrained case of dickheadedness and vindictiveness, with the EXCUSE of, "Oh, sorry, I figured I've got this, so I have an EXCUSE to be a douche."
Never understood that. I mean, "Bob" already gave you an excuse, why does anyone need another one?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 06, 2011, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 06, 2011, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 06, 2011, 04:22:44 PM
Yeah, people who really have Aspergers usually feel bad about inadvertently being dicks.
People who use it as an excuse on the internet usually get mad at you for getting your feelings hurt by them, indicating that they probably aren't Aspies so much as sociopaths.
Pretty sure one of the guys I know has Aspergers, I haven't asked, and no clue if he's diagnosed or not. He's annoying as all fuck, but there's no real harm to him.
The internet version, however, seems to be less a case of cluelessness and an inability to pick up on social cues (which is tough enough for ANYBODY, really), but an deeply ingrained case of dickheadedness and vindictiveness, with the EXCUSE of, "Oh, sorry, I figured I've got this, so I have an EXCUSE to be a douche."
Never understood that. I mean, "Bob" already gave you an excuse, why does anyone need another one?
Some of us didn't get Bob's permission slip until the habits were already formed. My first instinct is usually to be kind, or at least polite. I'm workin' on it.
Quote from: Luna on April 06, 2011, 04:31:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 06, 2011, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 06, 2011, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 06, 2011, 04:22:44 PM
Yeah, people who really have Aspergers usually feel bad about inadvertently being dicks.
People who use it as an excuse on the internet usually get mad at you for getting your feelings hurt by them, indicating that they probably aren't Aspies so much as sociopaths.
Pretty sure one of the guys I know has Aspergers, I haven't asked, and no clue if he's diagnosed or not. He's annoying as all fuck, but there's no real harm to him.
The internet version, however, seems to be less a case of cluelessness and an inability to pick up on social cues (which is tough enough for ANYBODY, really), but an deeply ingrained case of dickheadedness and vindictiveness, with the EXCUSE of, "Oh, sorry, I figured I've got this, so I have an EXCUSE to be a douche."
Never understood that. I mean, "Bob" already gave you an excuse, why does anyone need another one?
Some of us didn't get Bob's permission slip until the habits were already formed. My first instinct is usually to be kind, or at least polite. I'm workin' on it.
FUCK YOU.
BOB CAN EAT SHIT AND DIE.
LEONARD COHEN IS A FAGGOT.
MOTHER THERESA ATE BOOGERS.
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