Im dead serious
http://www.businessinsider.com/cheerleader-loses-lawsuit-2011-5?utm_source=twbutton&utm_medium=social&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=sportspage
Quotehe Supreme Court this week refused to hear the case of a teenage girl who was kicked off her cheerleading team after refusing to cheer for the boy who sexually assaulted her.
As a result, she now owes the school $45,000 in legal fees.
The girl, known only as MS, accused a fellow student of raping her at a party. He plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge to avoid jail time and was allowed to return to school and the basketball team.
She continued to cheer for the team during games, but refused to shout the boy's name or clap for him when he shot free throws. When the superintendent discovered what she was doing, she was kicked off the team.
She sued the Texas school, arguing that her free speech rights had been violated, but two courts ruled that as a cheerleader she speaks for the school, not herself, and did not have the right to refuse.
A federal appeals court upheld the ruling and ordered her to pay court costs for filing a "frivolous" lawsuit.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/cheerleader-loses-lawsuit-2011-5?utm_source=twbutton&utm_medium=social&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=sportspage#ixzz1MGQgpZGL
Bloody. Fucking. Hell.
Ah Pangloss, you were so close and yet so far. It isn't the best of all possible worlds we live in, but rather the funniest.
(In a Byron-style "I laugh so that I do not weep" kinda way.)
Gawd Bless Amerricuh!!!!!
Gotta just love our justice system.
High school sports are the State Religion of Texas.
Fuck the cash...
A confessed rapist was allowed back into a public school.
WHAT THE HELL?
Quote from: Luna on May 13, 2011, 09:06:35 PM
Fuck the cash...
A confessed rapist was allowed back into a public school.
WHAT THE HELL?
Not only that, but back on the team as well.
Quote from: Luna on May 13, 2011, 09:06:35 PM
Fuck the cash...
A confessed rapist was allowed back into a public school.
WHAT THE HELL?
Pleaded to a misdemeanor. Could be indecent A&B, could be sexual assault, wasn't specified. Still not pretty.
Horrible, yes.
But why would she want to cheer for a school that let her rapist back on the football team? That just doesn't make sense.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 13, 2011, 09:09:24 PM
Horrible, yes.
But why would she want to cheer for a school that let her rapist back on the football team? That just doesn't make sense.
Teen/drama/cheerleader
My oldest was kicked off his basketball team this year because he was in a group that were all given written tickets for loitering at the mall. The fact that he went to court and it was thrown out did not get him an apology and season was over by then...
Here, any brush with the law and your off any sports team you may be on for that school year, well unless your the next Michael Jordan or Lebron James....
And if you get convicted of something, you may well be expelled from the school. Charter or Magnate, they can't expell you from the public school system...
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 13, 2011, 09:09:24 PM
Horrible, yes.
But why would she want to cheer for a school that let her rapist back on the football team? That just doesn't make sense.
Yeah, THIS.
It would make sense not to even GO to that school. And if she couldn't transfer somewhere else, fuck it. GED.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 13, 2011, 09:07:48 PM
Quote from: Luna on May 13, 2011, 09:06:35 PM
Fuck the cash...
A confessed rapist was allowed back into a public school.
WHAT THE HELL?
Pleaded to a misdemeanor. Could be indecent A&B, could be sexual assault, wasn't specified. Still not pretty.
There was several of them and they were young
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cheerleader-must-compensate-school-that-told-her-to-clap-rapist-2278522.html
QuoteA teenage girl who was dropped from her high school's cheerleading squad after refusing to chant the name of a basketball player who had sexually assaulted her must pay compensation of $45,000 (£27,300) after losing a legal challenge against the decision.
The United States Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear a review of the case brought by the woman, who is known only as HS. Lower courts had ruled that she was speaking for the school, rather than for herself, when serving on a cheerleading squad – meaning that she had no right to stay silent when coaches told her to applaud.
She was 16 when she said she had been raped at a house party attended by dozens of fellow students from Silsbee High School, in south-east Texas. One of her alleged assailants, a student athlete called Rakheem Bolton, was arrested, with two other young men.
In court, Bolton pleaded guilty to the misdemeanour assault of HS. He received two years of probation, community service, a fine and was required to take anger-management classes. The charge of rape was dropped, leaving him free to return to school and take up his place on the basketball team.
Four months later, in January 2009, HS travelled to one of Silsbee High School's basketball games in Huntsville. She joined in with the business of leading cheers throughout the match. But when Bolton was about to take a free throw, the girl decided to stand silently with her arms folded.
"I didn't want to have to say his name and I didn't want to cheer for him," she later told reporters. "I just didn't want to encourage anything he was doing."
Richard Bain, the school superintendent in the sport-obsessed small town, saw things differently. He told HS to leave the gymnasium. Outside, he told her she was required to cheer for Bolton. When the girl said she was unwilling to endorse a man who had sexually assaulted her, she was expelled from the cheerleading squad.
The subsequent legal challenge against Mr Bain's decision perhaps highlights the seriousness with which Texans take cheerleading and high school sports, which can attract crowds in the tens of thousands.
HS and her parents instructed lawyers to pursue a compensation claim against the principal and the School District in early 2009. Their lawsuit argued that HS's right to exercise free expression had been violated when she was instructed to applaud her attacker. But two separate courts ruled against her, deciding that a cheerleader freely agrees to act as a "mouthpiece" for a institution and therefore surrenders her constitutional right to free speech. In September last year, a federal appeals court upheld those decisions and announced that HS must also reimburse the school sistrict $45,000, for filing a "frivolous" lawsuit against it.
"As a cheerleader, HS served as a mouthpiece through which [the school district] could disseminate speech – namely, support for its athletic teams," the appeals court decision says. "This act constituted substantial interference with the work of the school because, as a cheerleader, HS was at the basketball game for the purpose of cheering, a position she undertook voluntarily."
The family's lawyer said the ruling meanst that students exercising their right of free speech can end up punished for refusing to follow "insensitive and unreasonable directions".
Also I like how if you lose a case in court concerning free speech you will be charged.
Makes people think twice about taking any power structure to court.
And LMNO
What she's not allowed to do what she loves anymore?
and has to leave all her friends behind cause she was attacked?
> A federal appeals court upheld the ruling and ordered her to pay court costs for filing a "frivolous" lawsuit.
:|
On the one hand, taking (or keeping) the position of cheer leader for a team that includes your rapist may be a voluntary act. However it's completely reasonable that she shouldn't have to cheer for that guy. Given that position, it's not right that the only option is that he gets to stay and she has to leave. I don't think it's frivolous at all to fight that. Though I'm not sure if that was the claim made in court, or something else.
I do think, if she wanted to get back at the guy, the team and the school that all apparently support this situation, there were more ways to make a big stink than filing a lawsuit. Was there any way for her to know she was risking $45,000 by going to court?
The cheer she refused to say was:
"Two, four, six, eight, ten, come on, Rakheem, put it in."
according to this site (http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2011/05/03/supreme-court-denies-appeal-of-cheerleader-who-refused-to-cheer-for-player-who-assaulted-her/)
Reading that I can understand her not wanting to say it even more.
Yeah. I mean, "ten" and "in" dont even rhyme. There is no excuse for bad cheer writing.
Quote from: Cain on May 13, 2011, 11:29:01 PM
Yeah. I mean, "ten" and "in" dont even rhyme. There is no excuse for bad cheer writing.
:lulz:
I was gonna say!! :lulz:
I know Silsbee. It's not SE Texas, it's kind of Waco area. Hillbilly-racist vibe, stupid place. Nothing happening there, everybody just goes to lakes and stuff and destroys their livers. I could see that happening there, easy. It probably happens all the time and nobody talks about it.
I would say this guy has a fine career as a pro athlete............*coughFarve*
Quote from: Charley Brown on May 13, 2011, 11:40:04 PM
I would say this guy has a fine career as a pro athlete............*coughFarve*
:mittens:
Yeah, I think that's the idea.
Mysogyny reigns in the deep south. No, really, this can all be traced back to "women don't deserve equal status as human beings". This is our nation. Welcome to America. Etc, etc.
Quote from: Cain on May 13, 2011, 11:29:01 PM
Yeah. I mean, "ten" and "in" dont even rhyme. There is no excuse for bad cheer writing.
Actually, that works in a southern dialect. They pronounce "ten" as "tin".
"Fire" and "car" also rhyme in yokelese.
Shit, half of these people rhyme "can't" and "faint".
Especially around Silsbee.
Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on May 14, 2011, 04:00:44 AM
Quote from: Cain on May 13, 2011, 11:29:01 PM
Yeah. I mean, "ten" and "in" dont even rhyme. There is no excuse for bad cheer writing.
Actually, that works in a southern dialect. They pronounce "ten" as "tin".
Now I'm reading it in a Kiwi accent
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on May 14, 2011, 03:52:54 AM
Mysogyny reigns in the deep south. No, really, this can all be traced back to "women don't deserve equal status as human beings". This is our nation. Welcome to America. Etc, etc.
It apparently reigns in the rest of America as well, given that the supreme court didn't think this case was even worth listening too.
Ohay, Guess what.
Assburgers at the Shroomery think all this is completely sensible.
QuoteSome douche Mod said:
It is frivolous because even taking the well-plead factual allegations to be true, the law does not provide for the relief requested (nor is their a sufficient argument for the creation of new law). When you file a case with a prayer for relief that is not legally available on the basis of the facts, it is a waste of time.
The fundamental legal question is whether someone who has voluntarily joined and served on a government group has a first amendment right to refrain from expressing views for the government that they disagree with. The related question is whether someone who fails to cheer as directed by the government due to personal feelings, and thereby has their invitation to the group retracted, has had their civil rights violated.
The law is clear that you do not have the right to speak your mind when voluntarily operating as a government agent.
Had the school retracted their invitation due to conduct outside of school, such as telling the world about how the boy raped her, or even prevented her from speaking about the matter during the school day when speech of a different viewpoint is allowed, I would agree their would be a case.
Cheerleaders = government
/
:redneck2:
Also, if you lose a case, that means it was frivolous.
The judge probably had money on the team and needed the kid there to make sure he won.
What? It is Texas, after all.
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on May 14, 2011, 04:08:17 PM
Ohay, Guess what.
Assburgers at the Shroomery think all this is completely sensible.
QuoteSome douche Mod said:
It is frivolous because even taking the well-plead factual allegations to be true, the law does not provide for the relief requested (nor is their a sufficient argument for the creation of new law). When you file a case with a prayer for relief that is not legally available on the basis of the facts, it is a waste of time.
The fundamental legal question is whether someone who has voluntarily joined and served on a government group has a first amendment right to refrain from expressing views for the government that they disagree with. The related question is whether someone who fails to cheer as directed by the government due to personal feelings, and thereby has their invitation to the group retracted, has had their civil rights violated.
The law is clear that you do not have the right to speak your mind when voluntarily operating as a government agent.
Had the school retracted their invitation due to conduct outside of school, such as telling the world about how the boy raped her, or even prevented her from speaking about the matter during the school day when speech of a different viewpoint is allowed, I would agree their would be a case.
So there's no special consideration even in extreme cases (IE being raped)? FFS, there's more to this than simple free speech rights.
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on May 14, 2011, 05:35:02 PM
Also, if you lose a case, that means it was frivolous.
If that was true the entire system would grind to a halt
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 14, 2011, 05:39:51 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on May 14, 2011, 04:08:17 PM
Ohay, Guess what.
Assburgers at the Shroomery think all this is completely sensible.
QuoteSome douche Mod said:
It is frivolous because even taking the well-plead factual allegations to be true, the law does not provide for the relief requested (nor is their a sufficient argument for the creation of new law). When you file a case with a prayer for relief that is not legally available on the basis of the facts, it is a waste of time.
The fundamental legal question is whether someone who has voluntarily joined and served on a government group has a first amendment right to refrain from expressing views for the government that they disagree with. The related question is whether someone who fails to cheer as directed by the government due to personal feelings, and thereby has their invitation to the group retracted, has had their civil rights violated.
The law is clear that you do not have the right to speak your mind when voluntarily operating as a government agent.
Had the school retracted their invitation due to conduct outside of school, such as telling the world about how the boy raped her, or even prevented her from speaking about the matter during the school day when speech of a different viewpoint is allowed, I would agree their would be a case.
So there's no special consideration even in extreme cases (IE being raped)? FFS, there's more to this than simple free speech rights.
I'm wondering how much, "If she was raped it was her own fault" and "Just deal with it and stop whining" was tossed around... This is ridiculous. She's basically being punished for being a cheerleader and being raped by some guy on the sports team and having the balls to not just take it.
However, if she knew he was going to be playing and that she would not cheer for him she should have talked to her coach ahead of time, explained the situation and figured out a work around, like doing the motions, but not saying anything for example. It would have saved her a lot of hassle.
Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on May 14, 2011, 04:00:44 AM
Quote from: Cain on May 13, 2011, 11:29:01 PM
Yeah. I mean, "ten" and "in" dont even rhyme. There is no excuse for bad cheer writing.
Actually, that works in a southern dialect. They pronounce "ten" as "tin".
Correct, and both words have two syllables - pronounced "TEE-yәn".
Pen and pin are also homonyms. That's why we say "ink pen" instead of just "pen", because otherwise if I ask someone to bring me a pen, I might get a stick pin or a safety pin instead.
Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on May 14, 2011, 04:00:44 AM"Fire" and "car" also rhyme in yokelese.
Those words don't rhyme when I say them, but I know many people for whom they do. Tire and tar are homonyms for them. I kind of snickered last summer when my uncle said he was retired -- "I'm retard now."
PMZ,
has to laugh about something, because this story makes me sick.
Quote from: Wyldkat on May 15, 2011, 02:46:17 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 14, 2011, 05:39:51 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on May 14, 2011, 04:08:17 PM
Ohay, Guess what.
Assburgers at the Shroomery think all this is completely sensible.
QuoteSome douche Mod said:
It is frivolous because even taking the well-plead factual allegations to be true, the law does not provide for the relief requested (nor is their a sufficient argument for the creation of new law). When you file a case with a prayer for relief that is not legally available on the basis of the facts, it is a waste of time.
The fundamental legal question is whether someone who has voluntarily joined and served on a government group has a first amendment right to refrain from expressing views for the government that they disagree with. The related question is whether someone who fails to cheer as directed by the government due to personal feelings, and thereby has their invitation to the group retracted, has had their civil rights violated.
The law is clear that you do not have the right to speak your mind when voluntarily operating as a government agent.
Had the school retracted their invitation due to conduct outside of school, such as telling the world about how the boy raped her, or even prevented her from speaking about the matter during the school day when speech of a different viewpoint is allowed, I would agree their would be a case.
So there's no special consideration even in extreme cases (IE being raped)? FFS, there's more to this than simple free speech rights.
I'm wondering how much, "If she was raped it was her own fault" and "Just deal with it and stop whining" was tossed around... This is ridiculous. She's basically being punished for being a cheerleader and being raped by some guy on the sports team and having the balls to not just take it.
However, if she knew he was going to be playing and that she would not cheer for him she should have talked to her coach ahead of time, explained the situation and figured out a work around, like doing the motions, but not saying anything for example. It would have saved her a lot of hassle.
:flush:
That's fuckin' bad. Even for a TCC fascimod.
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 15, 2011, 05:11:56 AM
Quote from: Wyldkat on May 15, 2011, 02:46:17 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 14, 2011, 05:39:51 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on May 14, 2011, 04:08:17 PM
Ohay, Guess what.
Assburgers at the Shroomery think all this is completely sensible.
QuoteSome douche Mod said:
It is frivolous because even taking the well-plead factual allegations to be true, the law does not provide for the relief requested (nor is their a sufficient argument for the creation of new law). When you file a case with a prayer for relief that is not legally available on the basis of the facts, it is a waste of time.
The fundamental legal question is whether someone who has voluntarily joined and served on a government group has a first amendment right to refrain from expressing views for the government that they disagree with. The related question is whether someone who fails to cheer as directed by the government due to personal feelings, and thereby has their invitation to the group retracted, has had their civil rights violated.
The law is clear that you do not have the right to speak your mind when voluntarily operating as a government agent.
Had the school retracted their invitation due to conduct outside of school, such as telling the world about how the boy raped her, or even prevented her from speaking about the matter during the school day when speech of a different viewpoint is allowed, I would agree their would be a case.
So there's no special consideration even in extreme cases (IE being raped)? FFS, there's more to this than simple free speech rights.
I'm wondering how much, "If she was raped it was her own fault" and "Just deal with it and stop whining" was tossed around... This is ridiculous. She's basically being punished for being a cheerleader and being raped by some guy on the sports team and having the balls to not just take it.
However, if she knew he was going to be playing and that she would not cheer for him she should have talked to her coach ahead of time, explained the situation and figured out a work around, like doing the motions, but not saying anything for example. It would have saved her a lot of hassle.
:flush:
That's fuckin' bad. Even for a TCC fascimod.
What? She's on the cheer squad, he's on a sports team, she had to have realized that she would be expected to cheer for him at some point. Thinking otherwise would have been beyond naive to the point of blind stupidity. If I had been in her position I would have made sure that the issue was worked out beforehand with my coach thereby saving myself pain and suffering. Avoiding pain and suffering seems like a good idea to me, especially in a case of rape where your rapist is still in close proximity to you.
Quote from: Wyldkat on May 15, 2011, 05:39:29 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 15, 2011, 05:11:56 AM
Quote from: Wyldkat on May 15, 2011, 02:46:17 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 14, 2011, 05:39:51 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on May 14, 2011, 04:08:17 PM
Ohay, Guess what.
Assburgers at the Shroomery think all this is completely sensible.
QuoteSome douche Mod said:
It is frivolous because even taking the well-plead factual allegations to be true, the law does not provide for the relief requested (nor is their a sufficient argument for the creation of new law). When you file a case with a prayer for relief that is not legally available on the basis of the facts, it is a waste of time.
The fundamental legal question is whether someone who has voluntarily joined and served on a government group has a first amendment right to refrain from expressing views for the government that they disagree with. The related question is whether someone who fails to cheer as directed by the government due to personal feelings, and thereby has their invitation to the group retracted, has had their civil rights violated.
The law is clear that you do not have the right to speak your mind when voluntarily operating as a government agent.
Had the school retracted their invitation due to conduct outside of school, such as telling the world about how the boy raped her, or even prevented her from speaking about the matter during the school day when speech of a different viewpoint is allowed, I would agree their would be a case.
So there's no special consideration even in extreme cases (IE being raped)? FFS, there's more to this than simple free speech rights.
I'm wondering how much, "If she was raped it was her own fault" and "Just deal with it and stop whining" was tossed around... This is ridiculous. She's basically being punished for being a cheerleader and being raped by some guy on the sports team and having the balls to not just take it.
However, if she knew he was going to be playing and that she would not cheer for him she should have talked to her coach ahead of time, explained the situation and figured out a work around, like doing the motions, but not saying anything for example. It would have saved her a lot of hassle.
:flush:
That's fuckin' bad. Even for a TCC fascimod.
What? She's on the cheer squad, he's on a sports team, she had to have realized that she would be expected to cheer for him at some point. Thinking otherwise would have been beyond naive to the point of blind stupidity. If I had been in her position I would have made sure that the issue was worked out beforehand with my coach thereby saving myself pain and suffering. Avoiding pain and suffering seems like a good idea to me, especially in a case of rape where your rapist is still in close proximity to you.
Holy. Fuck.
"Hey, kid, YOU give up YOUR position, so your RAPIST isn't made to feel uncomfortable. And because, well, it's the
rules.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 15, 2011, 05:43:04 AM
Quote from: Wyldkat on May 15, 2011, 05:39:29 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 15, 2011, 05:11:56 AM
Quote from: Wyldkat on May 15, 2011, 02:46:17 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 14, 2011, 05:39:51 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on May 14, 2011, 04:08:17 PM
Ohay, Guess what.
Assburgers at the Shroomery think all this is completely sensible.
QuoteSome douche Mod said:
It is frivolous because even taking the well-plead factual allegations to be true, the law does not provide for the relief requested (nor is their a sufficient argument for the creation of new law). When you file a case with a prayer for relief that is not legally available on the basis of the facts, it is a waste of time.
The fundamental legal question is whether someone who has voluntarily joined and served on a government group has a first amendment right to refrain from expressing views for the government that they disagree with. The related question is whether someone who fails to cheer as directed by the government due to personal feelings, and thereby has their invitation to the group retracted, has had their civil rights violated.
The law is clear that you do not have the right to speak your mind when voluntarily operating as a government agent.
Had the school retracted their invitation due to conduct outside of school, such as telling the world about how the boy raped her, or even prevented her from speaking about the matter during the school day when speech of a different viewpoint is allowed, I would agree their would be a case.
So there's no special consideration even in extreme cases (IE being raped)? FFS, there's more to this than simple free speech rights.
I'm wondering how much, "If she was raped it was her own fault" and "Just deal with it and stop whining" was tossed around... This is ridiculous. She's basically being punished for being a cheerleader and being raped by some guy on the sports team and having the balls to not just take it.
However, if she knew he was going to be playing and that she would not cheer for him she should have talked to her coach ahead of time, explained the situation and figured out a work around, like doing the motions, but not saying anything for example. It would have saved her a lot of hassle.
:flush:
That's fuckin' bad. Even for a TCC fascimod.
What? She's on the cheer squad, he's on a sports team, she had to have realized that she would be expected to cheer for him at some point. Thinking otherwise would have been beyond naive to the point of blind stupidity. If I had been in her position I would have made sure that the issue was worked out beforehand with my coach thereby saving myself pain and suffering. Avoiding pain and suffering seems like a good idea to me, especially in a case of rape where your rapist is still in close proximity to you.
Holy. Fuck.
"Hey, kid, YOU give up YOUR position, so your RAPIST isn't made to feel uncomfortable. And because, well, it's the rules.
Oh come on! Could you at least read what I wrote?
I said she could have talked to the coach before hand and say, sat out of the cheer for him or done the motions just not said the cheer, something where she didn't have to cheer for him, but could have avoided all the trauma that resulted from doing so without clearing it with the coach first.
I've been raped. I would never suggest that she give up her position on his account.
Quote from: Wyldkat on May 15, 2011, 06:04:12 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 15, 2011, 05:43:04 AM
Quote from: Wyldkat on May 15, 2011, 05:39:29 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 15, 2011, 05:11:56 AM
Quote from: Wyldkat on May 15, 2011, 02:46:17 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 14, 2011, 05:39:51 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on May 14, 2011, 04:08:17 PM
Ohay, Guess what.
Assburgers at the Shroomery think all this is completely sensible.
QuoteSome douche Mod said:
It is frivolous because even taking the well-plead factual allegations to be true, the law does not provide for the relief requested (nor is their a sufficient argument for the creation of new law). When you file a case with a prayer for relief that is not legally available on the basis of the facts, it is a waste of time.
The fundamental legal question is whether someone who has voluntarily joined and served on a government group has a first amendment right to refrain from expressing views for the government that they disagree with. The related question is whether someone who fails to cheer as directed by the government due to personal feelings, and thereby has their invitation to the group retracted, has had their civil rights violated.
The law is clear that you do not have the right to speak your mind when voluntarily operating as a government agent.
Had the school retracted their invitation due to conduct outside of school, such as telling the world about how the boy raped her, or even prevented her from speaking about the matter during the school day when speech of a different viewpoint is allowed, I would agree their would be a case.
So there's no special consideration even in extreme cases (IE being raped)? FFS, there's more to this than simple free speech rights.
I'm wondering how much, "If she was raped it was her own fault" and "Just deal with it and stop whining" was tossed around... This is ridiculous. She's basically being punished for being a cheerleader and being raped by some guy on the sports team and having the balls to not just take it.
However, if she knew he was going to be playing and that she would not cheer for him she should have talked to her coach ahead of time, explained the situation and figured out a work around, like doing the motions, but not saying anything for example. It would have saved her a lot of hassle.
:flush:
That's fuckin' bad. Even for a TCC fascimod.
What? She's on the cheer squad, he's on a sports team, she had to have realized that she would be expected to cheer for him at some point. Thinking otherwise would have been beyond naive to the point of blind stupidity. If I had been in her position I would have made sure that the issue was worked out beforehand with my coach thereby saving myself pain and suffering. Avoiding pain and suffering seems like a good idea to me, especially in a case of rape where your rapist is still in close proximity to you.
Holy. Fuck.
"Hey, kid, YOU give up YOUR position, so your RAPIST isn't made to feel uncomfortable. And because, well, it's the rules.
Oh come on! Could you at least read what I wrote?
I said she could have talked to the coach before hand and say, sat out of the cheer for him or done the motions just not said the cheer, something where she didn't have to cheer for him, but could have avoided all the trauma that resulted from doing so without clearing it with the coach first.
I've been raped. I would never suggest that she give up her position on his account.
"HERE'S WHAT YOU AN DO, JUST DO THE MOTIONS AND LET HIM AND EVERYBODY ELSE THINK YOU'RE CHEERING FOR HIM, WITH THE NOISE LEVEL NOBODY'LL KNOW YOU'RE NOT REALLY CHEERING, HELL, YOU CAN EVEN LIP-SYNC LIKE ASHLEE SIMPSON, ISN'T THAT COOL? ALL BETTER NOW?"
Quote from: Sita on May 13, 2011, 11:27:17 PM
The cheer she refused to say was:
"Two, four, six, eight, ten, come on, Rakheem, put it in."
according to this site (http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2011/05/03/supreme-court-denies-appeal-of-cheerleader-who-refused-to-cheer-for-player-who-assaulted-her/)
Reading that I can understand her not wanting to say it even more.
:lulz: <--- going to hell for laughing.
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 15, 2011, 06:49:19 AM
Quote from: Wyldkat on May 15, 2011, 06:04:12 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 15, 2011, 05:43:04 AM
Holy. Fuck.
"Hey, kid, YOU give up YOUR position, so your RAPIST isn't made to feel uncomfortable. And because, well, it's the rules.
Oh come on! Could you at least read what I wrote?
I said she could have talked to the coach before hand and say, sat out of the cheer for him or done the motions just not said the cheer, something where she didn't have to cheer for him, but could have avoided all the trauma that resulted from doing so without clearing it with the coach first.
I've been raped. I would never suggest that she give up her position on his account.
"HERE'S WHAT YOU AN DO, JUST DO THE MOTIONS AND LET HIM AND EVERYBODY ELSE THINK YOU'RE CHEERING FOR HIM, WITH THE NOISE LEVEL NOBODY'LL KNOW YOU'RE NOT REALLY CHEERING, HELL, YOU CAN EVEN LIP-SYNC LIKE ASHLEE SIMPSON, ISN'T THAT COOL? ALL BETTER NOW?"
No, not better than never having to deal with the issue in the first place, but if it were me and I really wanted to keep cheerleading I'd think it would be a better option than not cheerleading and owing $45,000.
Quote from: Wyldkat on May 15, 2011, 07:01:50 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 15, 2011, 06:49:19 AM
Quote from: Wyldkat on May 15, 2011, 06:04:12 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 15, 2011, 05:43:04 AM
Holy. Fuck.
"Hey, kid, YOU give up YOUR position, so your RAPIST isn't made to feel uncomfortable. And because, well, it's the rules.
Oh come on! Could you at least read what I wrote?
I said she could have talked to the coach before hand and say, sat out of the cheer for him or done the motions just not said the cheer, something where she didn't have to cheer for him, but could have avoided all the trauma that resulted from doing so without clearing it with the coach first.
I've been raped. I would never suggest that she give up her position on his account.
"HERE'S WHAT YOU AN DO, JUST DO THE MOTIONS AND LET HIM AND EVERYBODY ELSE THINK YOU'RE CHEERING FOR HIM, WITH THE NOISE LEVEL NOBODY'LL KNOW YOU'RE NOT REALLY CHEERING, HELL, YOU CAN EVEN LIP-SYNC LIKE ASHLEE SIMPSON, ISN'T THAT COOL? ALL BETTER NOW?"
No, not better than never having to deal with the issue in the first place, but if it were me and I really wanted to keep cheerleading I'd think it would be a better option than not cheerleading and owing $45,000.
So, the problem isn't the system, it's that she didn't knuckle under?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 15, 2011, 07:03:41 AM
Quote from: Wyldkat on May 15, 2011, 07:01:50 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 15, 2011, 06:49:19 AM
Quote from: Wyldkat on May 15, 2011, 06:04:12 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 15, 2011, 05:43:04 AM
Holy. Fuck.
"Hey, kid, YOU give up YOUR position, so your RAPIST isn't made to feel uncomfortable. And because, well, it's the rules.
Oh come on! Could you at least read what I wrote?
I said she could have talked to the coach before hand and say, sat out of the cheer for him or done the motions just not said the cheer, something where she didn't have to cheer for him, but could have avoided all the trauma that resulted from doing so without clearing it with the coach first.
I've been raped. I would never suggest that she give up her position on his account.
"HERE'S WHAT YOU AN DO, JUST DO THE MOTIONS AND LET HIM AND EVERYBODY ELSE THINK YOU'RE CHEERING FOR HIM, WITH THE NOISE LEVEL NOBODY'LL KNOW YOU'RE NOT REALLY CHEERING, HELL, YOU CAN EVEN LIP-SYNC LIKE ASHLEE SIMPSON, ISN'T THAT COOL? ALL BETTER NOW?"
No, not better than never having to deal with the issue in the first place, but if it were me and I really wanted to keep cheerleading I'd think it would be a better option than not cheerleading and owing $45,000.
So, the problem isn't the system, it's that she didn't knuckle under?
Comes up a lot doesn't it? It's like we've been domesticated to accept the idea, or something.
Quote from: Pastor Miskatonic Zappathruster on May 15, 2011, 03:29:20 AM
Those words don't rhyme when I say them, but I know many people for whom they do. Tire and tar are homonyms for them. I kind of snickered last summer when my uncle said he was retired -- "I'm retard now."
PMZ,
has to laugh about something, because this story makes me sick.
Regional dialects sicken you? :?
Quote from: Triple Zero on May 15, 2011, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: Pastor Miskatonic Zappathruster on May 15, 2011, 03:29:20 AM
Those words don't rhyme when I say them, but I know many people for whom they do. Tire and tar are homonyms for them. I kind of snickered last summer when my uncle said he was retired -- "I'm retard now."
PMZ,
has to laugh about something, because this story makes me sick.
Regional dialects sicken you? :?
I'm pretty sure the "southern" dialects make PMZ laugh, but the treatment of this girl disgusts him.
Quote from: Wyldkat on May 15, 2011, 07:01:50 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 15, 2011, 06:49:19 AM
Quote from: Wyldkat on May 15, 2011, 06:04:12 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 15, 2011, 05:43:04 AM
Holy. Fuck.
"Hey, kid, YOU give up YOUR position, so your RAPIST isn't made to feel uncomfortable. And because, well, it's the rules.
Oh come on! Could you at least read what I wrote?
I said she could have talked to the coach before hand and say, sat out of the cheer for him or done the motions just not said the cheer, something where she didn't have to cheer for him, but could have avoided all the trauma that resulted from doing so without clearing it with the coach first.
I've been raped. I would never suggest that she give up her position on his account.
"HERE'S WHAT YOU AN DO, JUST DO THE MOTIONS AND LET HIM AND EVERYBODY ELSE THINK YOU'RE CHEERING FOR HIM, WITH THE NOISE LEVEL NOBODY'LL KNOW YOU'RE NOT REALLY CHEERING, HELL, YOU CAN EVEN LIP-SYNC LIKE ASHLEE SIMPSON, ISN'T THAT COOL? ALL BETTER NOW?"
No, not better than never having to deal with the issue in the first place, but if it were me and I really wanted to keep cheerleading I'd think it would be a better option than not cheerleading and owing $45,000.
BITCH SHOULDA KNOWN SHE'D OWE $45,000!
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Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on May 15, 2011, 10:00:16 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on May 15, 2011, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: Pastor Miskatonic Zappathruster on May 15, 2011, 03:29:20 AM
Those words don't rhyme when I say them, but I know many people for whom they do. Tire and tar are homonyms for them. I kind of snickered last summer when my uncle said he was retired -- "I'm retard now."
PMZ,
has to laugh about something, because this story makes me sick.
Regional dialects sicken you? :?
I'm pretty sure the "southern" dialects make PMZ laugh, but the treatment of this girl disgusts him.
Yeah, that.