I didn't see any threads like this. What are some good vegan/vegetarian recipes? I'm not sure how exactly you would make a recipe a Discordian one...I suppose you would just call it so and it would be.
Quote from: Felix on May 16, 2011, 09:25:10 AMI didn't see any threads like this.
Then you didn't even look.
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Tomatoes
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Thorazine
1. Find a recipe.
2. Take out or substitute all animal products.
3. Eat it.
4. Realize veganism is stupid.
5. Go get a bacon cheeseburger.
I want a bacon cheeseburger now. :argh!:
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on May 16, 2011, 04:37:06 PM
I want a bacon cheeseburger now. :argh!:
That's it. Five Guys, tonight.
Quote from: Luna on May 16, 2011, 04:43:39 PM
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on May 16, 2011, 04:37:06 PM
I want a bacon cheeseburger now. :argh!:
That's it. Five Guys, tonight.
:argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on May 16, 2011, 04:46:55 PM
Quote from: Luna on May 16, 2011, 04:43:39 PM
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on May 16, 2011, 04:37:06 PM
I want a bacon cheeseburger now. :argh!:
That's it. Five Guys, tonight.
:argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
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Right right right...
Burger patty made of, right? Lamb... Using falafel mix as the binder.
Trust me, that shit is awesome.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 16, 2011, 04:35:54 PM
4. Realize veganism is stupid.
Pretty much this, because veganism is RETARDED. No milk, butter, eggs, yogurt, cheese, fish, etc? I guess you're down to rice cakes forever, bud.
You know man, during an impressionable ebb, I started reading this big article on Veganism right? And they were talking about it from an economic perspective and I was like, sure, yeah, I'll go in for anything that "spreads the wealth" sort of thing. If it is genuinely more efficient, if it'll help, sure...
Anyway, I got to a particular passage in the essay, and it said something about how people "enslave bees".
Enslave. Fucking. Bees.
Yeah, I still eat meat.
Enslave bees? for srs? FUCKING :lulz:
Haven't you SEEN, Freeky?
The little bees with teeny, tiny chains, tying them to the hive...
Fucking hell, people are stupid.
Quote from: Slyph on May 16, 2011, 09:55:59 PM
You know man, during an impressionable ebb, I started reading this big article on Veganism right? And they were talking about it from an economic perspective and I was like, sure, yeah, I'll go in for anything that "spreads the wealth" sort of thing. If it is genuinely more efficient, if it'll help, sure...
Anyway, I got to a particular passage in the essay, and it said something about how people "enslave bees".
Enslave. Fucking. Bees.
Yeah, I still eat meat.
I've had vegans tell about the immorality of 'stealing' honey from bees, with tears in their eyes. :lulz: And that was before "Bee Movie" came out too.
What about stealing tea leaves from the tea trees, rather than using synthetic analogues? That's surely immoral, after all
all proper tea is theft
Quote from: Felix on May 16, 2011, 09:25:10 AMWhat are some good vegan/vegetarian recipes?
the trick to a vegan or vegetarian diet is to keep it interesting in spite of the fact that you've cut anything that tastes good out of your diet. The best way to do this is to marinate everything you eat in a savory flavor-enhancing solution of 2 parts clorox bleach to 1 part ammonia.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on May 17, 2011, 12:35:40 AM
Quote from: Felix on May 16, 2011, 09:25:10 AMWhat are some good vegan/vegetarian recipes?
the trick to a vegan or vegetarian diet is to keep it interesting in spite of the fact that you've cut anything that tastes good out of your diet. The best way to do this is to marinate everything you eat in a savory flavor-enhancing solution of 2 parts clorox bleach to 1 part ammonia.
I lol'd HARD. :lulz:
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on May 17, 2011, 12:35:40 AM
Quote from: Felix on May 16, 2011, 09:25:10 AMWhat are some good vegan/vegetarian recipes?
the trick to a vegan or vegetarian diet is to keep it interesting in spite of the fact that you've cut anything that tastes good out of your diet. The best way to do this is to marinate everything you eat in a savory flavor-enhancing solution of 2 parts clorox bleach to 1 part ammonia.
Wow. I had a couple seconds of, "Well, ECH DOES food, so, maybe... Ah, THERE he is!"
Quote from: Luna on May 17, 2011, 02:44:52 AM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on May 17, 2011, 12:35:40 AM
Quote from: Felix on May 16, 2011, 09:25:10 AMWhat are some good vegan/vegetarian recipes?
the trick to a vegan or vegetarian diet is to keep it interesting in spite of the fact that you've cut anything that tastes good out of your diet. The best way to do this is to marinate everything you eat in a savory flavor-enhancing solution of 2 parts clorox bleach to 1 part ammonia.
Wow. I had a couple seconds of, "Well, ECH DOES food, so, maybe... Ah, THERE he is!"
I did the same thing. :lulz:
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on May 17, 2011, 12:35:40 AM
Quote from: Felix on May 16, 2011, 09:25:10 AMWhat are some good vegan/vegetarian recipes?
the trick to a vegan or vegetarian diet is to keep it interesting in spite of the fact that you've cut anything that tastes good out of your diet. The best way to do this is to marinate everything you eat in a savory flavor-enhancing solution of 2 parts clorox bleach to 1 part ammonia.
:lulz:
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on May 17, 2011, 12:35:40 AM
Quote from: Felix on May 16, 2011, 09:25:10 AMWhat are some good vegan/vegetarian recipes?
the trick to a vegan or vegetarian diet is to keep it interesting in spite of the fact that you've cut anything that tastes good out of your diet. The best way to do this is to marinate everything you eat in a savory flavor-enhancing solution of 2 parts clorox bleach to 1 part ammonia.
This is why I am not vegan.
Phox,
Allergic to ammonia.
This thread has reminded me I have to get moar tofu. Have been out for ages.
I actually love tofu! I don't eat it often because it's not very good for you. I like to fry it in bacon grease.
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 03:51:51 AM
I actually love tofu! I don't eat it often because it's not very good for you. I like to fry it in bacon grease.
Is good when frieeeeeed :D
Aka Bean Curd in teh restaraunts :P
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 03:51:51 AM
I actually love tofu! I don't eat it often because it's not very good for you. I like to fry it in bacon grease.
Oh?
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on May 17, 2011, 04:02:40 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 03:51:51 AM
I actually love tofu! I don't eat it often because it's not very good for you. I like to fry it in bacon grease.
Oh?
Not when fried in bacon grease. :lulz:
Quote from: *GrumpButt* on May 17, 2011, 04:04:06 AM
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on May 17, 2011, 04:02:40 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 03:51:51 AM
I actually love tofu! I don't eat it often because it's not very good for you. I like to fry it in bacon grease.
Oh?
Not when fried in bacon grease. :lulz:
I AM GOING TO MAKE TIME TO HANG WITH THE PDX SPAGS IF IT MEANS BACON GREASE FRIED FOOD!!!!!!!
I am allll about the bacon grease! I save it in a little pot in the fridge and cook everything in it. Being fat is bad for your health, but eating animal fat is good for your health. Fuck vegetable oil; that shit is poison and will kill you.
My cholesterol, by the way, is fucking rad. I am so fucking healthy it's CRAZY.
Soy products in general are not very good for you and you shouldn't eat a lot of soy... tofu is one of the better soy products you can eat. Any of the fermented soy products are fairly OK, unfermented ones (like soy milk) are really not easy on the digestive system. Unfermented soy is hard to digest and is also one of the most highly allergenic foods. It's also really high in plant estrogens, which could be a bonus if you want to grow boobs. I think most guidelines say to consume no more than 4-6 oz of soy products a day.
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 04:23:29 AM
I am allll about the bacon grease! I save it in a little pot in the fridge and cook everything in it. Being fat is bad for your health, but eating animal fat is good for your health. Fuck vegetable oil; that shit is poison and will kill you.
My cholesterol, by the way, is fucking rad. I am so fucking healthy it's CRAZY.
Soy products in general are not very good for you and you shouldn't eat a lot of soy... tofu is one of the better soy products you can eat. Any of the fermented soy products are fairly OK, unfermented ones (like soy milk) are really not easy on the digestive system. Unfermented soy is hard to digest and is also one of the most highly allergenic foods. It's also really high in plant estrogens, which could be a bonus if you want to grow boobs. I think most guidelines say to consume no more than 4-6 oz of soy products a day.
Could you make your existing boobs bigger?
Quote from: Jenkem and Tomahawks on May 17, 2011, 05:20:47 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 04:23:29 AM
I am allll about the bacon grease! I save it in a little pot in the fridge and cook everything in it. Being fat is bad for your health, but eating animal fat is good for your health. Fuck vegetable oil; that shit is poison and will kill you.
My cholesterol, by the way, is fucking rad. I am so fucking healthy it's CRAZY.
Soy products in general are not very good for you and you shouldn't eat a lot of soy... tofu is one of the better soy products you can eat. Any of the fermented soy products are fairly OK, unfermented ones (like soy milk) are really not easy on the digestive system. Unfermented soy is hard to digest and is also one of the most highly allergenic foods. It's also really high in plant estrogens, which could be a bonus if you want to grow boobs. I think most guidelines say to consume no more than 4-6 oz of soy products a day.
Could you make your existing boobs bigger?
Theoretically, yes.
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 06:29:21 AM
Quote from: Jenkem and Tomahawks on May 17, 2011, 05:20:47 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 04:23:29 AM
I am allll about the bacon grease! I save it in a little pot in the fridge and cook everything in it. Being fat is bad for your health, but eating animal fat is good for your health. Fuck vegetable oil; that shit is poison and will kill you.
My cholesterol, by the way, is fucking rad. I am so fucking healthy it's CRAZY.
Soy products in general are not very good for you and you shouldn't eat a lot of soy... tofu is one of the better soy products you can eat. Any of the fermented soy products are fairly OK, unfermented ones (like soy milk) are really not easy on the digestive system. Unfermented soy is hard to digest and is also one of the most highly allergenic foods. It's also really high in plant estrogens, which could be a bonus if you want to grow boobs. I think most guidelines say to consume no more than 4-6 oz of soy products a day.
Could you make your existing boobs bigger?
Theoretically, yes.
Yay, another excuse for me to NOT eat the stuff.
Does not WANT bigger boobs.
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 04:23:29 AM
I am allll about the bacon grease! I save it in a little pot in the fridge and cook everything in it. Being fat is bad for your health, but eating animal fat is good for your health. Fuck vegetable oil; that shit is poison and will kill you.
Yea? I mean, I'll use it for cooking whatever I happen to be making at the same time as the bacon, but does it keep well in the fridge?
As to bolded part, really? Did not know that (sorry if I'm asking a lot of stupid questions, I am interested/intrigued). I always assume bacon fat=bad, but it's actually better than vegetable oil (or I have canola or something at home)? Assuming I'm not drinking it by the glassful, but, no shit, huh? I did not know that.
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My cholesterol, by the way, is fucking rad. I am so fucking healthy it's CRAZY.
Also, this. Despite my love of bacon and cheese (though it's not like I put it in EVERY meal), my cholesterol has been spectacular the last several times I've been to the doctor. Not that I'm overweight or anything, but I know that just because things look ok on the outside doesn't mean it's the same inside - but so far so good!
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 06:29:21 AM
Quote from: Jenkem and Tomahawks on May 17, 2011, 05:20:47 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 04:23:29 AM
I am allll about the bacon grease! I save it in a little pot in the fridge and cook everything in it. Being fat is bad for your health, but eating animal fat is good for your health. Fuck vegetable oil; that shit is poison and will kill you.
My cholesterol, by the way, is fucking rad. I am so fucking healthy it's CRAZY.
Soy products in general are not very good for you and you shouldn't eat a lot of soy... tofu is one of the better soy products you can eat. Any of the fermented soy products are fairly OK, unfermented ones (like soy milk) are really not easy on the digestive system. Unfermented soy is hard to digest and is also one of the most highly allergenic foods. It's also really high in plant estrogens, which could be a bonus if you want to grow boobs. I think most guidelines say to consume no more than 4-6 oz of soy products a day.
Could you make your existing boobs bigger?
Theoretically, yes.
Sooo.... Which soy products have more estrogens?
Freeky,
Has to lose the weight again, but wants to keep the bewbs.
Bacon grease keeps excellently in the fridge.
Cold-pressed are fine, but any refined oil such as canola (and pretty much everything sold as "vegetable oil") is bad bad bad. It tends to rob the body of vitamin e, and is around 5% trans-fatty-acids. The myth of "saturated" fats being bad for you has been pretty thoroughly debunked; butter, lard, coconut oil, chicken fat are all healthy oils compared to processed vegetable oil. I mean, you don't want to eat a fuckton of lard, either, but it's better for you than refined vegetable oil.
Quote from: Jenkem and Tomahawks on May 17, 2011, 06:50:35 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 06:29:21 AM
Quote from: Jenkem and Tomahawks on May 17, 2011, 05:20:47 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 04:23:29 AM
I am allll about the bacon grease! I save it in a little pot in the fridge and cook everything in it. Being fat is bad for your health, but eating animal fat is good for your health. Fuck vegetable oil; that shit is poison and will kill you.
My cholesterol, by the way, is fucking rad. I am so fucking healthy it's CRAZY.
Soy products in general are not very good for you and you shouldn't eat a lot of soy... tofu is one of the better soy products you can eat. Any of the fermented soy products are fairly OK, unfermented ones (like soy milk) are really not easy on the digestive system. Unfermented soy is hard to digest and is also one of the most highly allergenic foods. It's also really high in plant estrogens, which could be a bonus if you want to grow boobs. I think most guidelines say to consume no more than 4-6 oz of soy products a day.
Could you make your existing boobs bigger?
Theoretically, yes.
Sooo.... Which soy products have more estrogens?
Freeky,
Has to lose the weight again, but wants to keep the bewbs.
I think they're all about equal. Just be aware that estrogen also makes it harder to lose fat.
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 07:06:44 PM
Bacon grease keeps excellently in the fridge.
Cold-pressed are fine, but any refined oil such as canola (and pretty much everything sold as "vegetable oil") is bad bad bad. It tends to rob the body of vitamin e, and is around 5% trans-fatty-acids. The myth of "saturated" fats being bad for you has been pretty thoroughly debunked; butter, lard, coconut oil, chicken fat are all healthy oils compared to processed vegetable oil. I mean, you don't want to eat a fuckton of lard, either, but it's better for you than refined vegetable oil.
Yeah, but bacon grease tastes downright funky in chocolate cake if you try it instead of vegetable oil...
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 07:07:51 PM
Quote from: Jenkem and Tomahawks on May 17, 2011, 06:50:35 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 06:29:21 AM
Quote from: Jenkem and Tomahawks on May 17, 2011, 05:20:47 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 04:23:29 AM
I am allll about the bacon grease! I save it in a little pot in the fridge and cook everything in it. Being fat is bad for your health, but eating animal fat is good for your health. Fuck vegetable oil; that shit is poison and will kill you.
My cholesterol, by the way, is fucking rad. I am so fucking healthy it's CRAZY.
Soy products in general are not very good for you and you shouldn't eat a lot of soy... tofu is one of the better soy products you can eat. Any of the fermented soy products are fairly OK, unfermented ones (like soy milk) are really not easy on the digestive system. Unfermented soy is hard to digest and is also one of the most highly allergenic foods. It's also really high in plant estrogens, which could be a bonus if you want to grow boobs. I think most guidelines say to consume no more than 4-6 oz of soy products a day.
Could you make your existing boobs bigger?
Theoretically, yes.
Sooo.... Which soy products have more estrogens?
Freeky,
Has to lose the weight again, but wants to keep the bewbs.
I think they're all about equal. Just be aware that estrogen also makes it harder to lose fat.
Excellent, excellent. 8)
Nigel, do you have any reccommendations for when a person needs an oil with a very high smoke point? Animal fats and olive oil smoke way too early for some of the searing and flash frying I do, which means the oil will break down and add a bitter flavor.
Quote from: Luna on May 17, 2011, 07:08:17 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 07:06:44 PM
Bacon grease keeps excellently in the fridge.
Cold-pressed are fine, but any refined oil such as canola (and pretty much everything sold as "vegetable oil") is bad bad bad. It tends to rob the body of vitamin e, and is around 5% trans-fatty-acids. The myth of "saturated" fats being bad for you has been pretty thoroughly debunked; butter, lard, coconut oil, chicken fat are all healthy oils compared to processed vegetable oil. I mean, you don't want to eat a fuckton of lard, either, but it's better for you than refined vegetable oil.
Yeah, but bacon grease tastes downright funky in chocolate cake if you try it instead of vegetable oil...
Butter.
Keep in mind that refined vegetable oil didn't
exist when cake was invented.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 17, 2011, 07:14:59 PM
Nigel, do you have any reccommendations for when a person needs an oil with a very high smoke point? Animal fats and olive oil smoke way too early for some of the searing and flash frying I do, which means the oil will break down and add a bitter flavor.
Peanut oil.
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 07:16:00 PM
Quote from: Luna on May 17, 2011, 07:08:17 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 07:06:44 PM
Bacon grease keeps excellently in the fridge.
Cold-pressed are fine, but any refined oil such as canola (and pretty much everything sold as "vegetable oil") is bad bad bad. It tends to rob the body of vitamin e, and is around 5% trans-fatty-acids. The myth of "saturated" fats being bad for you has been pretty thoroughly debunked; butter, lard, coconut oil, chicken fat are all healthy oils compared to processed vegetable oil. I mean, you don't want to eat a fuckton of lard, either, but it's better for you than refined vegetable oil.
Yeah, but bacon grease tastes downright funky in chocolate cake if you try it instead of vegetable oil...
Butter.
Keep in mind that vegetable oil didn't exist when cake was invented.
Will try it next time.
Quote from: Luna on May 17, 2011, 07:16:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 07:16:00 PM
Quote from: Luna on May 17, 2011, 07:08:17 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 07:06:44 PM
Bacon grease keeps excellently in the fridge.
Cold-pressed are fine, but any refined oil such as canola (and pretty much everything sold as "vegetable oil") is bad bad bad. It tends to rob the body of vitamin e, and is around 5% trans-fatty-acids. The myth of "saturated" fats being bad for you has been pretty thoroughly debunked; butter, lard, coconut oil, chicken fat are all healthy oils compared to processed vegetable oil. I mean, you don't want to eat a fuckton of lard, either, but it's better for you than refined vegetable oil.
Yeah, but bacon grease tastes downright funky in chocolate cake if you try it instead of vegetable oil...
Butter.
Keep in mind that vegetable oil didn't exist when cake was invented.
Will try it next time.
Melt it first. :)
You won't believe the difference in flavor and mouthfeel when you bake with butter or lard instead of vegetable oil. It's like 1000 times better. People go nuts over my cakes, but I don't do anything fancy, I just use unsalted butter instead of vegetable oil.
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 07:21:04 PM
Quote from: Luna on May 17, 2011, 07:16:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 07:16:00 PM
Quote from: Luna on May 17, 2011, 07:08:17 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 07:06:44 PM
Bacon grease keeps excellently in the fridge.
Cold-pressed are fine, but any refined oil such as canola (and pretty much everything sold as "vegetable oil") is bad bad bad. It tends to rob the body of vitamin e, and is around 5% trans-fatty-acids. The myth of "saturated" fats being bad for you has been pretty thoroughly debunked; butter, lard, coconut oil, chicken fat are all healthy oils compared to processed vegetable oil. I mean, you don't want to eat a fuckton of lard, either, but it's better for you than refined vegetable oil.
Yeah, but bacon grease tastes downright funky in chocolate cake if you try it instead of vegetable oil...
Butter.
Keep in mind that vegetable oil didn't exist when cake was invented.
Will try it next time.
Melt it first. :)
You won't believe the difference in flavor and mouthfeel when you bake with butter or lard instead of vegetable oil. It's like 1000 times better. People go nuts over my cakes, but I don't do anything fancy, I just use unsalted butter instead of vegetable oil.
I'll remember this.
I'm thinking I'll try this when I do the layer cake with chocolate pudding I mentioned awhile back.
I stopped using veggie oil a long ways back. I prefer olive oil, for the same reason I like to use stock or juice in recipes instead of water.
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 17, 2011, 07:14:59 PM
Nigel, do you have any reccommendations for when a person needs an oil with a very high smoke point? Animal fats and olive oil smoke way too early for some of the searing and flash frying I do, which means the oil will break down and add a bitter flavor.
Peanut oil.
Beat me to it. Also, IIRC, grapeseed oil has a very high smoke point, though you'd obviously want to make sure it was flavor-compatible with what you're cooking.
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 07:21:04 PM
Quote from: Luna on May 17, 2011, 07:16:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 07:16:00 PM
Quote from: Luna on May 17, 2011, 07:08:17 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 07:06:44 PM
Bacon grease keeps excellently in the fridge.
Cold-pressed are fine, but any refined oil such as canola (and pretty much everything sold as "vegetable oil") is bad bad bad. It tends to rob the body of vitamin e, and is around 5% trans-fatty-acids. The myth of "saturated" fats being bad for you has been pretty thoroughly debunked; butter, lard, coconut oil, chicken fat are all healthy oils compared to processed vegetable oil. I mean, you don't want to eat a fuckton of lard, either, but it's better for you than refined vegetable oil.
Yeah, but bacon grease tastes downright funky in chocolate cake if you try it instead of vegetable oil...
Butter.
Keep in mind that vegetable oil didn't exist when cake was invented.
Will try it next time.
Melt it first. :)
You won't believe the difference in flavor and mouthfeel when you bake with butter or lard instead of vegetable oil. It's like 1000 times better. People go nuts over my cakes, but I don't do anything fancy, I just use unsalted butter instead of vegetable oil.
So instead of 1 cup of oil, use one cup of butter then? That shit sounds sooo good. xD
you gotta make sure it's unsalted butter, though. Most of what you buy in the supermarket is salted butter.
Nonsense, you just have to make sure you GRAB the unsalted butter. It's lower down in the freezer than the salted butter.
Wine + plastic wineglass = dinner, dessert, and a fushing snack tooo.
In addition to bacon fat, I've also been collecting schmaltz (chicken fat). Every Sunday, we roast a whole chicken and use the leftover for lunches that week. When the bird comes out, it's rendered quite a lot of fat. I pour it off, and use it when sweating a mirepoix or trinity (which I do for damn near every meal I make).
Then I use the bones for stock. For $1.50 a pound, you get quite a lot out of that bird.
I have a lot of recipes that use rendered pork fat. I get it from the butcher at the little Mexican grocery I go to. I've tried using other oils and fats for some of the things I cook instead of the pork and it really has a big impact on the flavor.
I do use peanut oil for frying, but for the most part, I'm with y'all on the bacon grease and chicken fat. It just adds a depth of flavor you can't find in other oils.
I have a braised baby lettuce recipe I do with toasted pumkin seeds and bacon that I do in bacon grease. I've tried using vegetable oil and it just sucked...
Eh my two cents where they probably weren't needed :)
I can't has a lot of fats, so cooking with rendered pork or chicken fat would probably make me pretty sick...I hate my damn GIT. :cry:
-Suu
Misses the tasties.
Quote from: Jenkem and Tomahawks on May 18, 2011, 03:37:11 AM
Nonsense, you just have to make sure you GRAB the unsalted butter. It's lower down in the freezer than the salted butter.
Well yeah. I didn't say that most of what they HAD in the supermarket was salted butter, just that that's usually what you buy.
Also...
I don't like cooking with rendered chicken fat. It imparts a weird flavor to everything.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on May 17, 2011, 11:34:22 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 17, 2011, 07:14:59 PM
Nigel, do you have any reccommendations for when a person needs an oil with a very high smoke point? Animal fats and olive oil smoke way too early for some of the searing and flash frying I do, which means the oil will break down and add a bitter flavor.
Peanut oil.
Beat me to it. Also, IIRC, grapeseed oil has a very high smoke point, though you'd obviously want to make sure it was flavor-compatible with what you're cooking.
Grapeseed oil is FABULOUS. It's really great on salads when you don't want the flavor of olive oil, which I don't always care for.
I don't always like cooking with chicken fat... it depends a lot on what I'm making. But I am in the habit of mentioning it whenever I talk about cooking with lard because I know a lot of Jews. You can also render beef tallow from suet, which is cheap at the butcher, but I don't like tallow as well as I like lard. I think lard has a more neutral flavor.
(Lard in cake tastes just fine, BTW. If anyone was wondering. And, it's KING for pastries and pie crusts!)
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 18, 2011, 01:36:11 PM
In addition to bacon fat, I've also been collecting schmaltz (chicken fat). Every Sunday, we roast a whole chicken and use the leftover for lunches that week. When the bird comes out, it's rendered quite a lot of fat. I pour it off, and use it when sweating a mirepoix or trinity (which I do for damn near every meal I make).
Then I use the bones for stock. For $1.50 a pound, you get quite a lot out of that bird.
Yes yes yes!
It's amazing how many meals you can make out of a $5 roaster.
Pointing this out cause I say it mentioned.
Tofu will not make you more feminine. That's a myth. The estrogens in tofu are not actually estrogens, they are phytoestrogens that only act as a estrogen stabilizer, in other words, they will only increase your estrogen levels if your body says your natural levels are too low.
The myth gets around because people like to depict vegetarians as weak.
Yeah well how much can you bench brah?
Quote from: Felix on May 26, 2011, 07:51:57 AM
Pointing this out cause I say it mentioned.
Tofu will not make you more feminine. That's a myth. The estrogens in tofu are not actually estrogens, they are phytoestrogens that only act as a estrogen stabilizer, in other words, they will only increase your estrogen levels if your body says your natural levels are too low.
The myth gets around because people like to depict vegetarians as weak.
ProTip: Equating "feminine" and "weak" around here WILL get you a boot up your arse.
There's a whole lot of conflicting evidence about non-fermented soy at the moment which may turn out to be due to it having absolutely no effect, but for the moment the best bet is to limit intake.
Felix: Unless you have some links to the particular journal articles you are referencing, I suggest you just keep your mouth shut. And mysogyny is frowned upon around here. But I'm sure Nigel will enjoy riding your ass about it, literally.
Quote from: Felix on May 16, 2011, 09:25:10 AM
I didn't see any threads like this. What are some good vegan/vegetarian recipes? I'm not sure how exactly you would make a recipe a Discordian one...I suppose you would just call it so and it would be.
Would you prefer a recipe using ground vegans or cut?
Quote from: Luna on May 26, 2011, 10:44:17 AM
Quote from: Felix on May 26, 2011, 07:51:57 AM
Pointing this out cause I say it mentioned.
Tofu will not make you more feminine. That's a myth. The estrogens in tofu are not actually estrogens, they are phytoestrogens that only act as a estrogen stabilizer, in other words, they will only increase your estrogen levels if your body says your natural levels are too low.
The myth gets around because people like to depict vegetarians as weak.
ProTip: Equating "feminine" and "weak" around here WILL get you a boot up your arse.
It's not MY equation. I'm a feminist.
Quote from: Felix on May 26, 2011, 07:51:57 AM
Pointing this out cause I say it mentioned.
Tofu will not make you more feminine. That's a myth. The estrogens in tofu are not actually estrogens, they are phytoestrogens that only act as a estrogen stabilizer, in other words, they will only increase your estrogen levels if your body says your natural levels are too low.
The myth gets around because people like to depict vegetarians as weak.
Phytoestrogens activate estrogen receptors in cells, including cancer cells. In estrogen-responsive breast cancers elevated phytoestrogen intake triggers rapid tumor growth.
So, really, stop talking out your ass.
Also, SOY WILL TURN YOU GAY: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327
:lulz:
My Doctor told me to treat soy as I would red meat. A great source of protien but not something to eat every day.
I have tofu maybe once a week, sometimes twice if it's something I really like and made enough for leftovers.
Wait, there are people who wish they could safely eat MORE tofu? :lulz:
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on June 03, 2011, 04:17:15 PM
Wait, there are people who wish they could safely eat MORE tofu? :lulz:
You know as well as I do that if done right it's good! :wink:
cant have miso without Tofu. Just sayin.
HOLY FUCK A CHEAP, DELICIOUS VEGAN RECIPE:
Alty's Evil Grandma's Bean Soup That Alty Made His Own
Quantity of these things is based on taste and how much you want leftover. When I was super poor I'd use 1 can of beans, half an onion, and as much garlic as my constitution would allow.
-Onion
-Garlic
Sauté.
Add beans. Of course, dry beans that have been soaked overnight are good. Dry beans that have been boiled for half an hour work as well. So do canned beans, and they work a helluvalot quicker.
Add beans.
Salt, pepper.
Add water to an inch or so above the beans. If you use broth or Vegeta it will be way more flavorsome.
Bring to boil, simmer. 20 min? If canned it won't take quite as long.
I dunno what this is called but:
Heat a tablespoon or so of oil, add flour and paprika. Do not burn the paprika or it will turn bitter. Add water, it will hiss and expand.
Add this to your soup. If done right it not be clumpy and will thicken the soup deliciously.
Sometimes I skip this step and throw in paprika.
BTW: I just got a bunch of fresh Hungarian paprika delivered from my family. If a few of you want some to try I would be willing to mail it to you. Just PM me.
ETA: OH YEAH WHAT BEANS: I use canned black beans, dry white beans. Even pinto beans will work. But I prefer those.
Quote from: Pixie on June 07, 2011, 03:39:04 PM
cant have miso without Tofu. Just sayin.
Yes you can. Tofu is soybean curd. Miso is fermented soybean paste (and not always; it can be made with rice or barley as well) and though they generally come from the same base ingredient, they use different processes and neither one is a precursor or byproduct of the other.
Quote from: Alty on June 07, 2011, 06:25:17 PM
I dunno what this is called but:
Heat a tablespoon or so of oil, add flour and paprika. Do not burn the paprika or it will turn bitter. Add water, it will hiss and expand.
We call it roux, but that's probably regional.
depends on how long it's cooked. Roux has to be cooked long enough to change the properties of the starch on a molecular level. Otherwise it's just a warm beurre manie with paprika, which sounds more likely since paprika would probably scorch before the flour had cooked enough for a proper roux.
Isn't that the difference between dark and light roux?
What exactly needs to happen at the molecular level (what's it look/feel like), and about how long does it take?
I tried doing that, butter+flour, because I heard you talk about it before, but I wasn't really impressed with the result (and yes, I was stirring all the time). I probably did something wrong though.
For (most/these kinds of*) cooking changes, there's two factors, time and temperature, so maybe it would work if you keep the temperature low enough to keep the paprika from burning, but cook the roux for a longer time? [in a similar sense that you can't cook potatoes in a microwave without letting them rest for a while, you can pump in the heat energy, but the reaction of softening the starch takes time, too].
Though maybe the temp needs to be that high for roux. In that case, adding the paprika later on should work.
* acidity is another and there's probably more.
Generally speaking, you don't add spices to roux.
I'm not sure what you would add roux to and be unimpressed with the result? It's pretty much only used as a thickener, and it works pretty well for that.
There's a similar thickening technique called beurre manie, which is when you mix together equal parts flour and softened butter but don't cook the mixture. It's good for stuff that you want to add a little body but don't want to make really thick because it gives a more velvety texture than a roux, but you can't use too much of it since it's uncooked and will make whatever you add it to taste like raw flour if you use too much.
Ah, then I'll just add the paprika in after. No sense in risking it being burnt especially if the roux ought to take longer to cook.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on June 13, 2011, 11:59:57 PM
Generally speaking, you don't add spices to roux.
I'm not sure what you would add roux to and be unimpressed with the result? It's pretty much only used as a thickener, and it works pretty well for that.
There's a similar thickening technique called beurre manie, which is when you mix together equal parts flour and softened butter but don't cook the mixture. It's good for stuff that you want to add a little body but don't want to make really thick because it gives a more velvety texture than a roux, but you can't use too much of it since it's uncooked and will make whatever you add it to taste like raw flour if you use too much.
Yeah, I was thinking of browning flour for gravies and stews and the like. The spices come later.
Quote from: Nigel on June 01, 2011, 07:52:36 PM
Also, SOY WILL TURN YOU GAY: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327
Awesome! That's just what I needed! :mrgreen:
In regards to the earlier posts in this thread about the enslavement of bees, I'd like to mention that not all vegans get upset over such bollocks. The less ignorant ones know that beekeepers are employed to fertilise crops, so you're still indirectly exploiting them whatever you eat. Besides, they're just insects. You might as well protest the use of fly swats while you're at it. I fucking love honey.
Here's a recipe for the best damn vegan devil's food cake in the world. Forgive the spelling and stuff, I copypasted it out of an email from my mum.
2cups sugar,2tsp Baking Soda, 1/2 cup cocoa, 1 tsp salt, 3 cups flour 1/2 cup vege oil, 2cups cold water, 1 tsp vanilla ess., 2tsp vinegar
Mix dry ingredients. Add wet ingredients. Mix. Put in cake tin. Bake at 350 for 30-40 mins cool then scoff.