Your whole life was a choice that you've already made.
Before you descended from the astral plane and took corporeal form you laid out your whole life. You chose your parents, your relationships, your childhood trauma, your adult trauma. Free will means just that, you are free to live the life you want.
And look at what you choose:
Injury
Illness
Death
Rape
Loss
Does that seem harsh? Perhaps it is, but it is also a harshness you CHOSE to read.
Think for a moment about scar tissue.
Scar tissue occurs when trauma occurs. There are two healing responses to skin trauma, regeneration and replacement. Regeneration is when the skin grows back according to the genetic map exactly as it was before. Replacement happens when regeneration fails, scar tissue is grown based on the injury. BASED ON THE INJURY.
Your body and soul remember that trauma and it becomes a part of your identity. Even when every cell in your body has been physically replaced by another your body (and mind) chose to regrow that scar.
These things are the conscious effort of a soul who is still learning. You are here for one purpose: To learn. Sometimes those lessons are hard. Christians have a saying "God doesn't give you more than you can bear." and that is partially accurate, for a given amount of God. You are in control of your own destiny, you always have been. If you feel you have learned enough, if you truly have learned enough, there is nothing in this life that you cannot do or undo.
Always remember, when life is at its most challenging, this is a path you chose before you were born. Nothing in this life happens that you do not allow.
Namaste.
The ultimate in blaming the victim! Whoa, nice breakdown. This would be an amazing troll.
If it weren't for the title, I might be howling for your blood right now. Well done.
Thanks!
To my eternal shame this is a position I actually held in complete seriousness. If it wasn't for Discordia...
The worst part about this is that it is an attempt at offering a solution. People who hold this view have the intention of helping, not blaming. Road to hell blahblah. IF you are in control then there is a means to move beyond the trauma in your life. Which would be nice, I suppose...if it were true...or not severely fucked up way to deal with the bad things that happen in life.
Quote from: Alty on July 07, 2011, 07:52:31 PM
Thanks!
To my eternal shame this is a position I actually held in complete seriousness. If it wasn't for Discordia...
The worst part about this is that it is an attempt at offering a solution. People who hold this view have the intention of helping, not blaming. Road to hell blahblah. IF you are in control then there is a means to move beyond the trauma in your life. Which would be nice, I suppose...if it were true...or not severely fucked up way to deal with the bad things that happen in life.
"I chose everything, therefore I can't change it" is as fucking useless as "God has a PLAN."
Yeah it's right up there with "Everything happens for a reason." in the useless bullshit department.
But just to clarify, what folks who hold this HIGHLY ERRONEOUS view are saying is:
"I chose everything, even the bad things, to learn from them. If I want my future to be free from these things, I must learn from them or repeat them because it's what I want to do."
Quote from: Alty on July 07, 2011, 08:20:55 PM
Yeah it's right up there with "Everything happens for a reason." in the useless bullshit department.
But just to clarify, what folks who hold this HIGHLY ERRONEOUS view are saying is:
"I chose everything, even the bad things, to learn from them. If I want my future to be free from these things, I must learn from them or repeat them because it's what I want to do."
Oh, I get it... however "you chose it, suffer now so your next life is better" is bloody useless. I agree and, FTR, do not want your blood over this. Is good to kick these around.
As I discovered when reading The Great Derangement this belief is also popular in Evangelical Christian circles. Except the wounding/scarring prevents you from becoming close to God, and actually, because you were most probably Wounded by someone Wounded themselves, is actually some kind of plot of Satan's.
And demons infect you via the wounds. Like Voldemort in Harry Potter's scar. Except, unlike Potter, Christians can vomit the demons into a paper bag.
Hah! I never encountered that idea in Christianity. Though, within that framework it makes perfect sense. The body is the temple, if the temple is marred it certainly could not be God's fault because since we are created in his image, and his image is perfect, any deviation from that image would be WRONG.
:lol:
Quote from: Cain on July 07, 2011, 09:01:59 PM
And demons infect you via the wounds. Like Voldemort in Harry Potter's scar. Except, unlike Potter, Christians can vomit the demons into a paper bag.
It would have been wizard vomit, horked into a wizard paper bag.
Quote from: Alty on July 08, 2011, 02:50:30 AM
Hah! I never encountered that idea in Christianity. Though, within that framework it makes perfect sense. The body is the temple, if the temple is marred it certainly could not be God's fault because since we are created in his image, and his image is perfect, any deviation from that image would be WRONG.
:lol:
Exactly.
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, ... whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken ( :x ) ... he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God. (Lev 21:16-21)
You lost me at "astral plane."
Quote from: Alty on July 08, 2011, 02:50:30 AM
Hah! I never encountered that idea in Christianity. Though, within that framework it makes perfect sense. The body is the temple, if the temple is marred it certainly could not be God's fault because since we are created in his image, and his image is perfect, any deviation from that image would be WRONG.
:lol:
Pastor Hagee's megachurch apparently practices this. I'm sure a noted friend of noted maverick John McCain would never engage in New Agey psychobabble loosely related to Christianity, however.
Quote from: Alty on July 07, 2011, 07:36:51 PM
Your whole life was a choice that you've already made.
Before you descended from the astral plane and took corporeal form you laid out your whole life. You chose your parents, your relationships, your childhood trauma, your adult trauma. Free will means just that, you are free to live the life you want.
And look at what you choose:
Injury
Illness
Death
Rape
Loss
Does that seem harsh? Perhaps it is, but it is also a harshness you CHOSE to read.
Think for a moment about scar tissue.
Scar tissue occurs when trauma occurs. There are two healing responses to skin trauma, regeneration and replacement. Regeneration is when the skin grows back according to the genetic map exactly as it was before. Replacement happens when regeneration fails, scar tissue is grown based on the injury. BASED ON THE INJURY.
Your body and soul remember that trauma and it becomes a part of your identity. Even when every cell in your body has been physically replaced by another your body (and mind) chose to regrow that scar.
These things are the conscious effort of a soul who is still learning. You are here for one purpose: To learn. Sometimes those lessons are hard. Christians have a saying "God doesn't give you more than you can bear." and that is partially accurate, for a given amount of God. You are in control of your own destiny, you always have been. If you feel you have learned enough, if you truly have learned enough, there is nothing in this life that you cannot do or undo.
Always remember, when life is at its most challenging, this is a path you chose before you were born. Nothing in this life happens that you do not allow.
Namaste.
:mittens: Pad it out a bit with some eastern philosophy namedropping and some waffle about crystals, illustrate it with random chakra/karma diagrams and it'll sell like gold dust :evil:
Quote from: navkat on July 08, 2011, 11:24:52 AM
You lost me at "astral plane."
:spag:
Then I'm guessing you missed the part where people choose to be raped.
Pent: This can be done.
As a troll it's great.
If I thought you really believed this, well then youd have to get off my planet.
Quote from: Cain on July 08, 2011, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: Alty on July 08, 2011, 02:50:30 AM
Hah! I never encountered that idea in Christianity. Though, within that framework it makes perfect sense. The body is the temple, if the temple is marred it certainly could not be God's fault because since we are created in his image, and his image is perfect, any deviation from that image would be WRONG.
:lol:
Pastor Hagee's megachurch apparently practices this. I'm sure a noted friend of noted maverick John McCain would never engage in New Agey psychobabble loosely related to Christianity, however.
I just choked on my coffee. :argh!:
Quote from: Khara on July 08, 2011, 08:09:01 PM
As a troll it's great.
If I thought you really believed this, well then youd have to get off my planet.
As I said it was sadly something I did believe until I pulled my head out of my ass two years ago. Largely due to this forum.
Quote from: Alty on July 08, 2011, 08:12:06 PM
Quote from: Khara on July 08, 2011, 08:09:01 PM
As a troll it's great.
If I thought you really believed this, well then youd have to get off my planet.
As I said it was sadly something I did believe until I pulled my head out of my ass two years ago. Largely due to this forum.
Which is why we haven't ejected you :wink:
Quote from: Khara on July 08, 2011, 08:09:01 PM
As a troll it's great.
If I thought you really believed this, well then youd have to get off my planet.
Not until I was done with 'im. I was gonna ask Freeky to bend space/time so I could make it LAST...
Quote from: Alty on July 08, 2011, 07:57:22 PM
Quote from: navkat on July 08, 2011, 11:24:52 AM
You lost me at "astral plane."
:spag:
Then I'm guessing you missed the part where people choose to be raped.
Pent: This can be done.
YOU CAN'T CHOOSE TO BE RAEPD, RAEP BY DEFINITION MEANS....o wai...
:lol:
I trolled a PDer! I trolled a PDer!
People already believe this sort of thing.
Yyyy....yes. Yes they do.
Evangelicals: God blesses Teh Eleckt with $$$$$.
New Age: The Yoonyverse blesses those who connect with Teh Divine with THE SECRET with $$$$$.
Same fuckin' Calvinism.