Principia Discordia

i'Ve been out with so called women

they suck

they looked like women (had a pussy & all)
but they acted like guys and had a guy mind

and i don't like guys should they act like female or not

are we all gay

any woman left on earth

or is it only eris.

wtf

Only if you do not wish to change your sex.  If you have or seek reassignment surgery, you can potentially be straight and gay at once.  What a mindfuck indeed!

i'm a masculinst lesbian in a hairy man's body.

Only reason I pass for masculine is because of atonomy.  I'm altogether too bitchy.

I'm straight, but I expect most people think I'm bi. Don't tell them, but *whispers* I can't fucking stand guys!

yeah...me neither...I love pussy more than life itself, but lotsa people think I'm gay cuz all my friends are women....that, and I like wine and cooking and I put stuff in my hair...really I just can't stand all the macho posturing that all the hicks where I live engage in... 8)

I really couldn't say.  Apparently I have a lot of guy traits.  Like the compulsion to eschew emotion and tofu.  And laugh at crudeness.  Of which the funniness none can deny.

hmm...yup...

Crude = funny

tofu = tasteless mushy crap

therefore....Turd = Manly man!

whew...and to think i was worried... 8)

Well there's other bits to it, like being annoyingly reasonable in the face of illogical tarts.

Quote from: Big Cat FelixWell there's other bits to it, like being annoyingly reasonable in the face of illogical tarts.

*gives Felix five with snaps*

now that's what the fuck I'm talkin' 'bout!   8)

::Grins:: ^_^ I can't help but make fun of girls like that.

[superlisp]
I'm not gay, I'm a metrosexual.
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Quote from: cyberus[superlisp]
I'm not gay, I'm a metrosexual.
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metrosexual - you fuck (in) a big city?

Hmmm.. I haven't quite figured out my sexuality I am attracted to woman, have been attracted to a couple guys, I'm not Bi-sexual....

My head hurts..  :roll:

I have my sexuality totally figured out...

I'm sexual.

very.


very.


very very very sexual.


8)

i like women. and yet i hate women.

what with them always flaunting their bits and bobs in front of me. damnit, gimme some o that.

i have a hairy ass, and as such am implicitly a manly man. i'm chockful of grit and eat iron ore for breakfast with a hot cup of motor oil, for the wake me up.

Bits and bobs? :roll:

uh, yah, you know, the birds and the trees adn the flowers and the bees.

you know those things the good lady put on yalls' chests to hang hats on.

:shock: very manly!

The man quiz:

is your only love in life your beefed up camaro, in which you spend every extra minute working on and your hard earned pennies on parts for it?

Do you drive 400 miles for "better" pornographic material?

is your favorite band Staind or puddle of mudd?

have you ever traded in your GF for a newer model?

is your favorite shirt logo ask me about my penis, or I love my weiner?

Do you feel lesbians are the enemy? ( if they were straight, I'd have more booty to hit)

Do you have a tattoo of grave stones one that reads no love in life? how 'bout a man being hung off a building with his friends laughing?

do you fear produce?

Quote from: Demon seed#three:shock: very manly!

The man quiz:

is your only love in life your beefed up camaro, in which you spend every extra minute working on and your hard earned pennies on parts for it?

Do you drive 400 miles for "better" pornographic material?

is your favorite band Staind or puddle of mudd?

have you ever traded in your GF for a newer model?

is your favorite shirt logo ask me about my penis, or I love my weiner?

Do you feel lesbians are the enemy? ( if they were straight, I'd have more booty to hit)

Do you have a tattoo of grave stones one that reads no love in life? how 'bout a man being hung off a building with his friends laughing?

do you fear produce?

hey don't getusmanly types mixed inwith the "depressingly afraid i'm gay so i paint my finger nails and masturabte over my rust bucket" set. tho camaros are nice cars when done up right, the fact is few manly men are rich enough to do any car "up right" on account were all workign slobs who  spend all our free money on beer, dope and possibly video games. but mostly beer and dope.

i just read the lyrics for the song lola by the kinks. i'm not the world's most emotional guy, but it made me cry...

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I actually always got a kick out of the song....but I can't say it ever made cry.

On only a slighly related note, a female friend of mine has a shirt that says, "Why, yes!  I would like a mustache ride for 5 cents!"

That always cracks me up.

Quote from: Demon seed#threedo you fear produce?

I fear gm produce.

I fear no plant.  Except maybe catnip.  That will require further interrogation.

what kinda cat ar eyou to not like catnip?



and as for my sexuality
it doesnt matter if the person is male or female, just as their energy flows well with mine
I can handle either an innie or an outtie

Im not sure which I prefer as for gender they each have good and bad points

I've had a few boyfriends.  But mostly, I prefer sex with women.  Not that I'd say no to making out w/ a hot guy...

Quote from: horab fibslageri'm a masculinst lesbian in a hairy man's body.

Ditto

Girls are annoying.

I consider myself heteroflexible.I prefer women,but if he's good looking  and extemely feminine,well........

Quote from: Wenchmaster KGirls are annoying.

i agree.

my damned head hurts far too much to explain

i like girls, but I really detest Dave Matthews Band.

I only love girls. But then, I can pass off as one sometimes.

Quote from: I_Kicked_Kennedyi like girls, but I really detest Dave Matthews Band.

Counting Crows + Blues Traveller = Dave Matthews Band.  

or, in short,  Dave Matthews Band = Patchouli-addled crap.

Hey, I think I have something to post on the hate thread.

Quote from: Malaulwhat kinda cat ar eyou to not like catnip?

"Big"or  Felinis Giantus

Double post

Quote from: Turd Ferguson

Quote from: I_Kicked_Kennedyi like girls, but I really detest Dave Matthews Band.

Counting Crows + Blues Traveller = Dave Matthews Band.  

or, in short,  Dave Matthews Band = Patchouli-addled crap.

where does Dispatch fit into this?

'cause I like dispatch...

Quote from: LMNOI've had a few boyfriends.  But mostly, I prefer sex with women.  Not that I'd say no to making out w/ a hot guy...

for me its the oposite
I like guys
but LOVEEEE to kiss a hot girl!!!


::feels steamy::

Quote from: hailerisi'Ve been out with so called women

they suck

they looked like women (had a pussy & all)
but they acted like guys and had a guy mind

and i don't like guys should they act like female or not

are we all gay

any woman left on earth

or is it only eris.

wtf

personality is ultimately asexual, getting people to divide their minds based on culturap prefences is idiocy. I was having a conversation yesterday with a 40 year old IT consultant and a 21 year old single mother, we were discussing the difference between what men find attractive and what women are told is attractive. and yes. We like women who are a bit more like men than women and vice versa. So if both genders think that the perfect partner is a mix of both sets of values why are we even bothing with psychological programing based on sex-chromosomes?

the magnified ignorance of many centuries

i agree btu disagree with you trollax. i reckon personality may be geenerally asexual(to acertain extent the differences in hormone level denies this, tho, quite naturally i might add), btu there are definitely sex specific behaviours, for instance(and htis is a too obvious one, i'm also talkin more obscure or less noticeable things) i don't know any men who have given birth...

Quote from: horab fibslageri agree btu disagree with you trollax. i reckon personality may be geenerally asexual(to acertain extent the differences in hormone level denies this, tho, quite naturally i might add), btu there are definitely sex specific behaviours, for instance(and htis is a too obvious one, i'm also talkin more obscure or less noticeable things) i don't know any men who have given birth...

aside from the obvious horab, we are a species driven to extremes by our lack of introspection. I agree with you, but, the psychological reponses to a crying baby share the same baseline in both sexes. parenting behaviours (on an instinctual level) are common to both genders. I'm not about to dispute biology, but as far as we are different, we're mostly the same.

AYE!

I've given birth.

It's a huge piece of CRAP.

I've had bigger chunks of corn in my crap, than the baby I ate!

yes different but the same. it's where we get our mixed up ideas about duality from.

Not until the male become female and the female become male shall ye enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

-The Jesus person in "The Gospel of Thomas
(I got it from a page in the Scrodinger's Cat trilogy,by RAW)

:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

I knew it, Jesus is for mass transgenderization!

:twisted:  :shock:  :twisted:  :shock:  :twisted:

Quote from: Pope Lucifer KSCNot until the male become female and the female become male shall ye enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

-The Jesus person in "The Gospel of Thomas
(I got it from a page in the Scrodinger's Cat trilogy,by RAW)

:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

I knew it, Jesus is for mass transgenderization!

:twisted:  :shock:  :twisted:  :shock:  :twisted:

jesus was a monarch who wanted to be a priest but when he saw what the preisthood was he didn't want a bar of it. He was about 2000 years ahead of his time.

Quote from: St. Trollax, ODD

Quote from: Pope Lucifer KSCNot until the male become female and the female become male shall ye enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

-The Jesus person in "The Gospel of Thomas
(I got it from a page in the Scrodinger's Cat trilogy,by RAW)

:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

I knew it, Jesus is for mass transgenderization!

:twisted:  :shock:  :twisted:  :shock:  :twisted:

jesus was a monarch who wanted to be a priest but when he saw what the preisthood was he didn't want a bar of it. He was about 2000 years ahead of his time.

he sought to combine the two powers of state, the ruler and the religion.

i may have paraphrased that badly. but there was definitely the combination of church and state involved. according to the ancient secret ruler deal thing of freemasonry, the two pillars of civilization are church and state, seperate yet each pwoerful adn contributing to an orderly society in their own ways.

if htey hadn't crucified him, he would've gone on to lead a revolution in the jewish religion. instead he created a new one, by force of actions.

Quote from: horab fibslager

Quote from: St. Trollax, ODD

Quote from: Pope Lucifer KSCNot until the male become female and the female become male shall ye enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

-The Jesus person in "The Gospel of Thomas
(I got it from a page in the Scrodinger's Cat trilogy,by RAW)

:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

I knew it, Jesus is for mass transgenderization!

:twisted:  :shock:  :twisted:  :shock:  :twisted:

jesus was a monarch who wanted to be a priest but when he saw what the preisthood was he didn't want a bar of it. He was about 2000 years ahead of his time.

he sought to combine the two powers of state, the ruler and the religion.

i may have paraphrased that badly. but there was definitely the combination of church and state involved. according to the ancient secret ruler deal thing of freemasonry, the two pillars of civilization are church and state, seperate yet each pwoerful adn contributing to an orderly society in their own ways.

if htey hadn't crucified him, he would've gone on to lead a revolution in the jewish religion. instead he created a new one, by force of actions.

He got off that trip after they nailled him to the tree, it was simon magus and his cronies that went after the romans in zero odd '76 Jeebus was (I think) living out his days in india.

Well, what evidence is there of the existence of an actual "Jesus"? I find some merit in the possibility that he was a creation of his followers. The Bible is filled with made-up characters. especially the book of Daniel. I'm too lazy to put it all in here but if someone is interested just lemme know and I'll get the info.

Quote from: Pope Lucifer KSCWell, what evidence is there of the existence of an actual "Jesus"? I find some merit in the possibility that he was a creation of his followers. The Bible is filled with made-up characters. especially the book of Daniel. I'm too lazy to put it all in here but if someone is interested just lemme know and I'll get the info.

records in the dead sea scrolls. What those records reveal is very un-christian however, or to put it another way, damaging to the entire idea behind the christian faith.

The bible is the story as the men in power after jesus' death wanted it portrayed.
Additionally over time it got modified over and over again to fit the current powerful mens worldview.
Any remaining historical accuracies are mostly oversights.

Roman archives of the period report that Yeshua trouble-maker and how he was executed.

Shows how far the world has come looking at the bloody romans for a bit of truth.
I mean what have the romans ever done for us?

Umm......they gave us PIZZA!!!

umm...actually...they didn't...pizza is as american as hot dogs and anal porn...I should know...I invented it....pizza that is, not anal porn... 8)

yeah? well then, i agree with that other guy.
what have the romans ever done for us?

they popularized the orgy as a form of saturday afternoon entertainment... 8)

and they gave us toga parties...

Ok, what - besides popularizing the orgy as a form of saturday afternoon entertainment and giving us toga parties - what have the romans ever done for us?

They worshipped a goddess named Discordia. :wink:

Quote from: Turd Fergusonumm...actually...they didn't...pizza is as american as hot dogs and anal porn...I should know...I invented it....pizza that is, not anal porn... 8)

I have to take issue with the implication that America invented Anal Porn.  It was the Romans (well, at least they talked about it a lot).

Romans also invented the french kiss. Kinda paradoxal when you think about it.

Quote from: LMNO

Quote from: Turd Fergusonumm...actually...they didn't...pizza is as american as hot dogs and anal porn...I should know...I invented it....pizza that is, not anal porn... 8)

I have to take issue with the implication that America invented Anal Porn.  It was the Romans (well, at least they talked about it a lot).

yeah, but I don't think they had any way to record it for posterior...er, I mean, posterity... 8)

Question: Does porn have to be only on video?  I thought books could be porn, too.

well, they can as long as they have pictures...without pictures, it's just smut...visual depictions are waht make it porn...that still leaves the Romans out of it....unless they had some kick-ass engravers... 8)

::coughpotterycough::

yeah, dude, but it'd have to be some pretty amazing pottery to be able to graphically depict anal penetration and not just look cartoonish... 8)

What the fuck?  Cartoons aren't porn either?  Who the fuck is making the rules here?

Cartoons are porn.


generic hentai tentacle monster #9 says so.

Thank you.

::POST JUMP!!::

World = More than a handful.
Hotsuma = 2

Pornography: Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.


so basicly, porn can be movies, pictures, books, poetry, audio tapes, or any other form of media.

Turd loses.

Man, I just gave you the point.

What do you want, a medal?

damn right.

You gotta earn those. Not just look up definitions.

Can we argue whether penguins were ever intended to take to the skies at any point?

Quote from: Big Cat FelixCan we argue whether penguins were ever intended to take to the skies at any point?

The were. But it then was found out that goblins make for better ammunition.

Quote from: Big Cat FelixCan we argue whether penguins were ever intended to take to the skies at any point?

sure we can i mean I won't but you can If you so choose.

Don't crucify me, but I'm actually kinda turned off by anal penetration. That said, I'm pretty sure I'm bisexual. And I like cartoon porn. Especially since my fantasies aren't that likely to happen in real life.

REmember
NOIDS CAN NOT HAVE SEX WITH DOODLES!!!


that said go to //WWW.PinUpToons.com
youll thank me for it

Quote from: MalaulREmember
NOIDS CAN NOT HAVE SEX WITH DOODLES!!!

Ok...but if they did and they they had offspring, would those offspring be Noodles?

8)

Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 25, 2004, 05:17:50 AM

Quote from: MalaulREmember
NOIDS CAN NOT HAVE SEX WITH DOODLES!!!

Ok...but if they did and they they had offspring, would those offspring be Noodles?

8)

....Calling RWHNs seal.

Oh, and BUMP, because my demands have not yet been met.

 Sexual orientation is determined partly by genetics and partly by environment, in my experience.  A lot of folks (most?) are a little bi, but culturally loathe to admit it.  Some people just don't fancy one gender or the other, more's the pity.

I decided to start sleeping with guys near the end of university.  My preferences lean towards girls, but I can have fun with a guy I fancy.  Naturally I started getting  laid a lot more - guys are easy, all guys know this.  That's why gay guys fuck like bunnies (quite a lot of them anyway); also though when you've tied up a lot of your identity into who you sleep with (as many gay folks do after having had to repress it much of their lives) you naturally gravitate towards doing that a lot.

I'm too goddamn lazy to be 'metrosexual' - fucking stupid term anyway.

Sexuality aside, I rather enjoy gay culture.  I try to make the Toronto Pride parade when I can (and I take my kid too) - it's a riot, full of awesome.  MC Frontalot expressed it best: I Heart Fags (http://frontalot.com/media.php/265/mc_frontalot_-_i_heart_fags.mp3)

Quote from: Payne on November 13, 2008, 03:44:29 PM

Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 25, 2004, 05:17:50 AM

Quote from: MalaulREmember
NOIDS CAN NOT HAVE SEX WITH DOODLES!!!

Ok...but if they did and they they had offspring, would those offspring be Noodles?

8)

....Calling RWHNs seal.

Oh, and BUMP, because my demands have not yet been met.

:cry:

Why Payne?  Why?

Quote from: shadowfurry23 on November 26, 2008, 05:10:32 PM
Sexual orientation is determined partly by genetics and partly by environment, in my experience.  A lot of folks (most?) are a little bi, but culturally loathe to admit it.  Some people just don't fancy one gender or the other, more's the pity.

I decided to start sleeping with guys near the end of university.  My preferences lean towards girls, but I can have fun with a guy I fancy.  Naturally I started getting  laid a lot more - guys are easy, all guys know this.  That's why gay guys fuck like bunnies (quite a lot of them anyway); also though when you've tied up a lot of your identity into who you sleep with (as many gay folks do after having had to repress it much of their lives) you naturally gravitate towards doing that a lot.

I'm too goddamn lazy to be 'metrosexual' - fucking stupid term anyway.

Sexuality aside, I rather enjoy gay culture.  I try to make the Toronto Pride parade when I can (and I take my kid too) - it's a riot, full of awesome.  MC Frontalot expressed it best: I Heart Fags (http://frontalot.com/media.php/265/mc_frontalot_-_i_heart_fags.mp3)

So, when did you start dressing up like H.R. Pufenstuf?

I am as far beyond your limited perceptions of sexuality, as they are beyond you.

Quote from: BAWHEED on November 26, 2008, 05:56:39 PM

Quote from: shadowfurry23 on November 26, 2008, 05:10:32 PM
Sexual orientation is determined partly by genetics and partly by environment, in my experience.  A lot of folks (most?) are a little bi, but culturally loathe to admit it.  Some people just don't fancy one gender or the other, more's the pity.

I decided to start sleeping with guys near the end of university.  My preferences lean towards girls, but I can have fun with a guy I fancy.  Naturally I started getting  laid a lot more - guys are easy, all guys know this.  That's why gay guys fuck like bunnies (quite a lot of them anyway); also though when you've tied up a lot of your identity into who you sleep with (as many gay folks do after having had to repress it much of their lives) you naturally gravitate towards doing that a lot.

I'm too goddamn lazy to be 'metrosexual' - fucking stupid term anyway.

Sexuality aside, I rather enjoy gay culture.  I try to make the Toronto Pride parade when I can (and I take my kid too) - it's a riot, full of awesome.  MC Frontalot expressed it best: I Heart Fags (http://frontalot.com/media.php/265/mc_frontalot_-_i_heart_fags.mp3)

So, when did you start dressing up like H.R. Pufenstuf?

'Cause he's your friend when things get rough?

Quote from: BAWHEED on November 26, 2008, 05:56:39 PM

Quote from: shadowfurry23 on November 26, 2008, 05:10:32 PM
Sexual orientation is determined partly by genetics and partly by environment, in my experience.  A lot of folks (most?) are a little bi, but culturally loathe to admit it.  Some people just don't fancy one gender or the other, more's the pity.

I decided to start sleeping with guys near the end of university.  My preferences lean towards girls, but I can have fun with a guy I fancy.  Naturally I started getting  laid a lot more - guys are easy, all guys know this.  That's why gay guys fuck like bunnies (quite a lot of them anyway); also though when you've tied up a lot of your identity into who you sleep with (as many gay folks do after having had to repress it much of their lives) you naturally gravitate towards doing that a lot.

I'm too goddamn lazy to be 'metrosexual' - fucking stupid term anyway.

Sexuality aside, I rather enjoy gay culture.  I try to make the Toronto Pride parade when I can (and I take my kid too) - it's a riot, full of awesome.  MC Frontalot expressed it best: I Heart Fags (http://frontalot.com/media.php/265/mc_frontalot_-_i_heart_fags.mp3)

So, when did you start dressing up like H.R. Pufenstuf?

  No no no, I started dressing up and puffin' stuff...

IN CANADA??!

Quote from: shadowfurry23 on November 26, 2008, 05:10:32 PM
Sexual orientation is determined partly by genetics and partly by environment, in my experience.  A lot of folks (most?) are a little bi, but culturally loathe to admit it.  Some people just don't fancy one gender or the other, more's the pity.

I decided to start sleeping with guys near the end of university.  My preferences lean towards girls, but I can have fun with a guy I fancy.  Naturally I started getting  laid a lot more - guys are easy, all guys know this.  That's why gay guys fuck like bunnies (quite a lot of them anyway); also though when you've tied up a lot of your identity into who you sleep with (as many gay folks do after having had to repress it much of their lives) you naturally gravitate towards doing that a lot.

I'm too goddamn lazy to be 'metrosexual' - fucking stupid term anyway.

Sexuality aside, I rather enjoy gay culture.  I try to make the Toronto Pride parade when I can (and I take my kid too) - it's a riot, full of awesome.  MC Frontalot expressed it best: I Heart Fags (http://frontalot.com/media.php/265/mc_frontalot_-_i_heart_fags.mp3)

WHAT THE FUCK, YOU SAID FAG, SHUT UP HOMOPHOBE! YOU'RE A RACIST ANTISEMITIC REPUBLICAN HYPOCRITE!

Quote from: Faust on November 26, 2008, 06:05:45 PM
I am as far beyond your limited perceptions of sexuality, as they are beyond you.

     Like Morrissey?

Quote from: OPTIMUS PINECONE on November 26, 2008, 07:43:26 PM

Quote from: Faust on November 26, 2008, 06:05:45 PM
I am as far beyond your limited perceptions of sexuality, as they are beyond you.

     Like Morrissey?

eww.
I was actually quoting apocalypse from the x-men.

That'll teach you.

Wait, so who here is an adult baby?

I thought we all were?  Isn't this an adult baby forum?

OHSHI...!

Quote from: Nigel on November 26, 2008, 08:24:56 PM
OHSHI...!

Oh great.  Whose turn is it to change Nigel's diaper?

(actually, the adult baby stuff sorta creeps me out - and I'm a furry that defends zoophiles for fucks sake)

 :|

Quote from: shadowfurry23 on November 26, 2008, 05:10:32 PM
Sexual orientation is determined partly by genetics and partly by environment, in my experience.  A lot of folks (most?) are a little bi, but culturally loathe to admit it.  Some people just don't fancy one gender or the other, more's the pity.

I decided to start sleeping with guys near the end of university.  My preferences lean towards girls, but I can have fun with a guy I fancy.  Naturally I started getting  laid a lot more - guys are easy, all guys know this.  That's why gay guys fuck like bunnies (quite a lot of them anyway); also though when you've tied up a lot of your identity into who you sleep with (as many gay folks do after having had to repress it much of their lives) you naturally gravitate towards doing that a lot.

I'm too goddamn lazy to be 'metrosexual' - fucking stupid term anyway.

Sexuality aside, I rather enjoy gay culture.  I try to make the Toronto Pride parade when I can (and I take my kid too) - it's a riot, full of awesome.  MC Frontalot expressed it best: I Heart Fags (http://frontalot.com/media.php/265/mc_frontalot_-_i_heart_fags.mp3)

I think it was in "Songs of a Distant Earth", Arthur C. Clarke wrote something to the tune of: anyon'e who's totally, 100% heterosexual may be almost pathological in that sense.

Not a statement I can totally get behind, since it's an unusual use of what constitutes a pathological behavior, but it was an insteresting statement, nonetheless.  I just thought the concept that everyone's a bit bent away from straight by DEFAULT isn't the worst.

our "sexuality" is just another concept, like God or Money, that has an outward manifestation so we deem it REAL. then we link it to other concepts like gender, get confused and fight about it. there is no REAL sexuality...just fucking.

Quote from: shadowfurry23 on November 26, 2008, 08:33:23 PM

Quote from: Nigel on November 26, 2008, 08:24:56 PM
OHSHI...!

Oh great.  Whose turn is it to change Nigel's diaper?

(actually, the adult baby stuff sorta creeps me out - and I'm a furry that defends zoophiles for fucks sake)

You gotta check out the adult baby meets clown fetish stuff.

Quote from: Nigel on November 26, 2008, 09:31:54 PM

Quote from: shadowfurry23 on November 26, 2008, 08:33:23 PM

Quote from: Nigel on November 26, 2008, 08:24:56 PM
OHSHI...!

Oh great.  Whose turn is it to change Nigel's diaper?

(actually, the adult baby stuff sorta creeps me out - and I'm a furry that defends zoophiles for fucks sake)

You gotta check out the adult baby meets clown fetish stuff.

So a strap on clown shoe in your future Nigel?

Quote from: Maude's on November 26, 2008, 09:15:30 PM
our "sexuality" is just another concept, like God or Money, that has an outward manifestation so we deem it REAL. then we link it to other concepts like gender, get confused and fight about it. there is no REAL sexuality...just fucking.

Uh, no.  Some boys prefer to fuck girls and some boys prefer to fuck boys and a significant portion of that is hard-wired in.  That's a reasonably measurable, observable fact that can be acted upon and that I'm inclined to call Real - as Real as anything is, anyway.

I'm a big fan of mindsculpting myself and there's a lot of leeway in there, but just as the painter has the paints they are given and the  sculptor his uncarved block of granite, there is a something at the base of it.  It's not all as loosey-goosey as you suggest.

Quote from: Ratatosk on November 26, 2008, 09:36:29 PM

Quote from: Nigel on November 26, 2008, 09:31:54 PM

Quote from: shadowfurry23 on November 26, 2008, 08:33:23 PM

Quote from: Nigel on November 26, 2008, 08:24:56 PM
OHSHI...!

Oh great.  Whose turn is it to change Nigel's diaper?

(actually, the adult baby stuff sorta creeps me out - and I'm a furry that defends zoophiles for fucks sake)

You gotta check out the adult baby meets clown fetish stuff.

So a strap on clown shoe in your future Nigel?

Just you wait. Better wear pants when you sleep.

Quote from: Nigel on November 26, 2008, 10:35:25 PM

Quote from: Ratatosk on November 26, 2008, 09:36:29 PM

Quote from: Nigel on November 26, 2008, 09:31:54 PM

Quote from: shadowfurry23 on November 26, 2008, 08:33:23 PM

Quote from: Nigel on November 26, 2008, 08:24:56 PM
OHSHI...!

Oh great.  Whose turn is it to change Nigel's diaper?

(actually, the adult baby stuff sorta creeps me out - and I'm a furry that defends zoophiles for fucks sake)

You gotta check out the adult baby meets clown fetish stuff.

So a strap on clown shoe in your future Nigel?

Just you wait. Better wear pants when you sleep.

For you, I'd suffer through Clown Shoe Raep any day.

Awwww!  :)

Quote from: shadowfurry23 on November 26, 2008, 10:28:59 PM

Quote from: Maude's on November 26, 2008, 09:15:30 PM
our "sexuality" is just another concept, like God or Money, that has an outward manifestation so we deem it REAL. then we link it to other concepts like gender, get confused and fight about it. there is no REAL sexuality...just fucking.

Uh, no.  Some boys prefer to fuck girls and some boys prefer to fuck boys and a significant portion of that is hard-wired in.  That's a reasonably measurable, observable fact that can be acted upon and that I'm inclined to call Real - as Real as anything is, anyway.

I'm a big fan of mindsculpting myself and there's a lot of leeway in there, but just as the painter has the paints they are given and the  sculptor his uncarved block of granite, there is a something at the base of it.  It's not all as loosey-goosey as you suggest.

:cn:

and i made no claim as to the motivations behind our actions and desires.  obviously desire is there in some form hard wired or not.  i just see no need to differentiate.  why catalogue our attractions? so we can feel better about ourselves? why not just drop it all and feel better? personally i can find attration in people regardless of gender--thats my trip---... but if you the need to self-identify, please, do what you like--is none of my business.  i just find all the labeling (read: concept creation) unnecessary.  i propose: fuck and forgetaboutit

Quote from: Burns on November 27, 2008, 02:26:28 AM

Quote from: shadowfurry23 on November 26, 2008, 10:28:59 PM

Quote from: Maude's on November 26, 2008, 09:15:30 PM
our "sexuality" is just another concept, like God or Money, that has an outward manifestation so we deem it REAL. then we link it to other concepts like gender, get confused and fight about it. there is no REAL sexuality...just fucking.

Uh, no.  Some boys prefer to fuck girls and some boys prefer to fuck boys and a significant portion of that is hard-wired in.  That's a reasonably measurable, observable fact that can be acted upon and that I'm inclined to call Real - as Real as anything is, anyway.

I'm a big fan of mindsculpting myself and there's a lot of leeway in there, but just as the painter has the paints they are given and the  sculptor his uncarved block of granite, there is a something at the base of it.  It's not all as loosey-goosey as you suggest.

:cn:

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Quote from: Burns on November 27, 2008, 02:26:28 AM
and i made no claim as to the motivations behind our actions and desires.  obviously desire is there in some form hard wired or not.  i just see no need to differentiate. 

why catalogue our attractions? so we can feel better about ourselves? why not just drop it all and feel better? personally i can find attration in people regardless of gender--thats my trip---... but if you the need to self-identify, please, do what you like--is none of my business.

i just find all the labeling (read: concept creation) unnecessary.  i propose: fuck and forgetaboutit

Well, that's my trip too, aktually - though I am married to a girl my last long-term relationship before that was with a boy.  I too am attracted to people rather than to genders, though I have found I do tend to lean towards girls when I'm just looking at the meat and not knowing the brain behind it (e.g. pr0n).

However, our trip is not everyone's trip.  You suggestion displays a rather simple and, I hope you don't mind my saying so but a rather naive view of sexuality.

Sex is complex; sexual attraction moreso.  The labels that you are so dismissive of are symbols on a map of the sea of desire.  It helps the S&M top find the bottom, helps the gay bear find one similarly inclined, warns the nerdboy away from hitting on the bull-dyke, helps the clown-porn fetishist find their own and so on.  Without these cues and labels we would be adrift, and finding a compatible partner would be a herculean undertaking.

i realize it's a gross oversimplification...but thats my point.  believe me, i understand how complex and chaotic these things can get which is why i suggest to drop the identification all together and just be.  to stop labeling emotions and just feel them.  by labeling emotions they become concepts and open to scruitney ... when all they were supposed to be was felt.

edit: understand, i'm not making ultimate statements here but offering an option.  sure, it's good to have a community but then one has to follow in line with that community's standards or risk alienation.  life isn't black and white, gay or straight.  but rather a spectrum of possibility.  to me, what is naieve, is pinning yourself down to a fixed point of view without being, at the very absoulute least, aware of other possibilities.  but comfort is comfort and like i said, i'm just offering up another option.  if someone tells me that he or she is gay or straight and, BY GOD, thats how it is, then i'm quite obviously in no position to argue with that subjectivity.

Quote from: shadowfurry23 on November 27, 2008, 04:38:12 PMand finding a compatible partner would be a herculean undertaking.

It kind of is, even with them, and sometimes the most compatible partners are complete and utter surprises.

it really comes down to individual and individual not sexuality and compatible sexuality.

Quote from: Burns on November 27, 2008, 11:31:22 PM
it really comes down to individual and individual not sexuality and compatible sexuality.

Yep!

Quote from: Burns on November 27, 2008, 11:31:22 PM
it really comes down to individual and individual not sexuality and compatible sexuality.

Sorta sounds like a false dichotomy to me.  Isn't a person's sexuality part of their individuality?

Quote from: shadowfurry23 on November 28, 2008, 03:53:03 PM

Quote from: Burns on November 27, 2008, 11:31:22 PM
it really comes down to individual and individual not sexuality and compatible sexuality.

Sorta sounds like a false dichotomy to me.  Isn't a person's sexuality part of their individuality?

there are more factors involved that go into our individual choices of picking partners than just our sexuality.

Quote from: Burns on November 28, 2008, 04:33:02 PM

Quote from: shadowfurry23 on November 28, 2008, 03:53:03 PM

Quote from: Burns on November 27, 2008, 11:31:22 PM
it really comes down to individual and individual not sexuality and compatible sexuality.

Sorta sounds like a false dichotomy to me.  Isn't a person's sexuality part of their individuality?

there are more factors involved that go into our individual choices of picking partners than just our sexuality.

I wholeheartedly agree, which is why I said 'part'.  But if you click with an individual in a ton of other ways but lack a compatible sexuality you're still out of luck, unless sex just isn't that important to you - though if your sexuality involves being uninterested in sex, even then your partner should be too or you'll have problems.

This is one of my major problems with the no-sex-before-marriage crowd:  I think being compatible sexually is an important part of a long-term romantic relationship, too important to just handwave.   People are flexible though, and can be especially flexible for those they love, and learning and change can happen too so to a degree I'm overstating the case I guess.

sure.  i think desire comes in many forms and although it might be useful to deconstruct and analyze we shouldn't forget to feel it.  that's really my whole point. is that after all the labels  concepts and politics it just comes down to feeling.  emotional and physical sensations are included in the totality of our experience.  it's one thing to think you love another and quite another to feel it too.  sex tends to be an expression of that but it's not the total expression of that.  thats why i said there is no real sexuality...just fucking.  obviously it's not ONLY fucking but fucking happens to be another expression.  i have friends that stimulate me intellectually to the same degree my wife stimulates me sexually.  the thing is i don't go around labeling or identifying myself as an "intellectual" in the same that that i don't go around labeling myself as a "Heterosexual."   

i hope that makes sense.  at the moment i cant seem find a better metaphor.

Quote from: Burns on November 28, 2008, 04:33:02 PM

Quote from: shadowfurry23 on November 28, 2008, 03:53:03 PM

Quote from: Burns on November 27, 2008, 11:31:22 PM
it really comes down to individual and individual not sexuality and compatible sexuality.

Sorta sounds like a false dichotomy to me.  Isn't a person's sexuality part of their individuality?

there are more factors involved that go into our individual choices of picking partners than just our sexuality.

Yeah, exactly.

"Bi female" really doesn't go very far to identify compatibility, in bed or outside of it.

Ugh, to me sexuality discussions sounds like walking into an ice cream shop and hearing people heatedly yammering on about the  semantics of which flavor they have.

Quote from: Faust on November 29, 2008, 12:22:31 AM
Ugh, to me sexuality discussions sounds like a walking into an ice cream shop and hearing people heatedly yammering on about the  semantics of which flavor they have.

:mittens:

and with that i'm silent.