Toda esta historia es cierta y obviamente está incompleta, solo es un esbozo de lo que realmente me sucedió. Ya no me acuerdo ni de la mitad, pero sucedieron muchas cosas imposibles para la realidad consensual en el hospital, believe me.
In spanish:
Fuente: :: Ver tema - Laynd en la Capilla Peligrosa (http://www.13t.org/decondicionamiento/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1973)
He llegado a estar a punto de morir mentalmente, de perder la razón.
He sufrido miedo, hasta el extremo de pensar que iba a morir comido vivo.
Alucinaciones visuales y auditivas, como creando el guion adecuado, inventando la razón de mi falsa muerte. Dándole recursos a mi mente para seguir la tragicomedia que me llevó al hospital una noche de Mayo. Perdida la realidad sólo me quedaba interpretar cada fenómeno como una señal, cada color como un significado, cada número interpretado y valorado, como un manual de instrucciones supersticioso hacia la "verdadera" "realidad", la perdida cordura o mapa de realidad anterior. Cada horario o código de barras me decía algo, me daba un significado que me ayudaba a seguir tirando para adelante.
Ahora sé que nada es verdad.
Que la realidad depende de como enfoques las cosas, que es plural y mutable.
Y que la mente se puede doblar hasta extremos casi imposibles.
Afortunadamente salí de la Capilla Peligrosa, del brote psicótico o como lo quieras llamar cuerdo y sin consecuencias graves. En unos meses o años ya estaré totalmente recuperado si no tengo recaídas y todo va bien. En mi caso la muerte mental inventó razones para la muerte física. Y casi lo logró.-- escrito por Kirot, octubre de 2010
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"Una vez en la Capilla Peligrosa, empiezas a asociar irracionalmente las cosas con tal de que el mundo siga cuerdo"
Kirot se registró en la primavera de 2010 como usuario en Decondicionamiento como nombre de usuario "Laynd". Casi lo primero que hizo fue abrir un hilo sobre la "Capilla Peligrosa" de la que hablara Robert Anton Wilson en su "Martillo Cósmico I", dando algunas pistas sobre su paso por aquel temible lugar que algunos medicalizan como psicosis, que otros consideran el enfrentamiento con el Guardián Menor del Umbral, y que muchos sencillamente resumen como "Iniciación".
Ahora, Kirot quiere contar las cosas desde su experiencia personal, siendo su propuesta la de desarrollar estas ideas con un formato de entrevista en la cual intentar profundizar en las claves de sus experiencias. Adelante:
+ Hubo un tiempo antes de que entraras en la capilla peligrosa en el que afirmas que la realidad se comportaba como tú querías. ¿Cómo empezó esto? ¿Por qué crees que empezaste a manifestar tu voluntad de ese modo?La realidad estaba de mi parte, pues entré en un estado de Gnosis, sensación de estar "conectado a la fuente" acompañado de alucinaciones leves, como ver la naturaleza divinizada y ver OVNIS en vez de estrellas. Aparte, el corazón de ardía, transpiraba al respirar... lo cual daba placer y me sentía como el guardián del oráculo en "Matrix" cuando Neo ve luz dentro de él... algo similar sentía yo dentro de mi.
Ese era el control que tenía de las cosas. Felicidad absoluta, éxtasis místico. Todo se empezó a torcer con el tiempo, pues luego no supe a que atenerme... y aparte, tenía la vaga sensación que todos suspiraban o me miraban mal cada vez que pasa cerca de ellos. Por ejemplo, una chica con cara de estar echa polvo niega sus síntomas evidentes para mi para luego desfogar todos sus problemas conmigo y acabar marchándose feliz y yo con una mala energía en el pecho increíble.
Quote from: "Kirot en Burbuja.info"lo primero que me encuentro es una tia hecha una puta mierda que me NIEGA su estado deprimente. Yo se lo digo y ella hace como que no está nada mal. Sigo caminando y noto que tengo que huir de su puta cara si no quiero que "vuelva" esa mala energía que parece que tanto necesitan los demás y a mi me llena de MIERDA. La cara de la chica se le fue poniendo cada vez mejor a medida que pasaba el tiempo con ella mientras yo empezaba a sentir algo jodidamente pesado y mierdoso generándose dentro de mi, NO EXAGERO UNA MIERDA, no puede quitármela de encima, luego llegaron mis amigos y mi antiguo mejor amigo parecía cambiado y me exigía que fuera acompañándoles como antaño hacía. Es como que lo veo todo al revés y viceversa y no sé como hacer para que vuelva yo a ser feliz sin necesidad de "complacer" o sostener las mentes de los demás. Después de esto problablemente muchos creereis que me he vuelto loco, pero mis mayores enemigos de antes, o gente que yo pensaba que estaba siendo muy falsa ahora son los únicos que me saludan por la calle.
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+ ¿Cómo describirías aquello de estar "conectado a la fuente"? ¿Qué hiciste para lograrlo, fue espontáneo, fue una "prueba"? ¿Lo has logrado más adelante?Fue espontaneo. Pasé de un día para otro a no tener caspa ni ojeras, a tener el pelo lacio (antes encrespado). Muté completamente y me sentí con una paz imperturbable... fue una de las mejores experiencias de mi vida. (Sospecho que pude ser poseido por algún ente, pues cuando mi padre me reñía demasiado, o en el hospital mismo, se me movia el cuerpo solo y se contraia a voluntad propia como si rechazara algo... era muy extraño).
[Kirot recuerda más adelante esto]. Se me olvidaba. El estado de estar "conectado a la fuente", de "gnosis", felicidad máxima,
fue precedido de un fuerte estrés que llevaba sufriendo unos meses atrás.
+ Eso es muy curioso. Hablas del estrés, pero justo antes habías dicho que fue espontáneo (lo cual hace más interesante que hayas recordado esto al insistir sobre ello).
Te explico mi "sospecha". La Peligrosa Capilla no sólo se manifiesta necesariamente solo de manera terrorífica. El "delirio" puede ser paranoico, pero también puede ser "de grandeza" o en general de un tipo que te eleve en lugar de hundirte. Todo depende del ánimo con que unas los puntos que delinean tu realidad en estado de derrumbe. Decías además que en tu estado de gnosis creabas cambios alrededor, es decir, que ya había sincronicidad de por medio.
Eso me hace pensar, aunque tú lo sabrás mejor: ¿y si entraste en la "Peligrosa Capilla" no cuando las cosas se empezaron a torcer estando activa la gnosis que comentas sino cuando te sentías conectado a la fuente? Eso significaría que lo que te habría metido dentro de la capilla sería el estrés que ahora mencionas de los meses anteriores.
Puede ser, porque de hecho lo que me hizo desbarrar fue el entrar en ese nuevo mundo de estar conectado a la fuente. Ese estado orgásmico casi, me hizo plantearme la naturaleza de la realidad completamente. Y en ese planteamiento fue cuando comencé a pensar cosas... "irracionales" o bastante torcidas porque estaba totalmente absorto en mi estado. Aparte, era hipersensible a todo lo de alrededor... y sentía las energías de los demás. Decía que todo era energía.
Fue más o menos como estar 6 meses cargando estrés, de una manera brutal para luego explotar por dentro y mandar todo a tomar por culo (mentalmente) y quedarme yo solo en esa isla conectado a la fuente. Luego comencé a crear cambios alrededor en ese estado y comenzó la sincronicidad.
+ Supongo que si nos ponemos a profundizar podría ser interesante localizar el enlace entre los delirios (ya sea paranoicos o de 'grandeza') y el propio estrés y problemas que tuvieras antes y que mandaste a la mierda, ¿hasta qué punto trataban sobre temas parecidos, o te llegó desde fuera lo que rechazaste?. No sé, a lo mejor está ahí el punto donde empiezan a girar las cosas.Bueno, supongo que todo sucedió en el pueblo. Totalmente anormal. Mis presiones me obligaron a estallar y mandar a la mierda a mi madre. La llamé psicópata. Y en fin, me pasé un huevo. A partir de ahí comencé a verlo todo con otra perspectiva... y creo que fue ahí cuando todo estalló por dentro. Ella se quedó impasible, mi padre no me dijo nada y yo luego le pedí a mi madre perdón. Pero algo ya había cambiado dentro de mi. Luego empecé a comportarme muy raro, me daba igual salir a la calle con ropa "desastrosa", comencé a sentir que no tenia porque reprimirme más. Por ejemplo, dejé de reír las gracias a la gente, a los profesores... me convertí en un ser independiente de la sociedad. Luego, en ese culmine hubo un inciso de 1 día y al siguiente comencé a "entrar en la fuente", a ver la naturaleza divinizada y todo lo demás.
+ ¿Por qué crees que luego empezó a surgir esa "vaga sensación" paranoica? ¿Cómo fue evolucionando? ¿Por qué no pudiste mantener ese estado de "conexión con la fuente"?Mis padres se comenzaron a preocupar por mi, y en ese estado comencé a relacionar mal las cosas. Pensé que era una preocupación por algo más profundo de lo evidente (que no comía, que estaba eufórico y muy activo). Al principio solo me molestaban sus acusaciones hacia mi, pero luego comencé a tomarmelo demasiado en serio, finalmente estuve a punto de escapar de casa, también notaba los latidos del corazón muy fuertes y notaba perfectamente como bombeaba una energía "oscura" que iba desechando mientras oía gruñir a mis padres en el proceso. Muy extraño, mucho miedo, pena y horror al ver que de nada servía y que ellos continuaban gruñendo como monstruos al respirar. Una vez que intenté escapar comencé a mantener una conexión telepática con "x", o eso creía yo (estaría hablando conmigo mismo mentalmente). Hasta autoconvencerme de que me iban a matar, aparte, los ruidos de otros en la habitación se oían como enormes estruendos, la verdad estaba muy asustado. Fui yo mismo, mi cerebro iba a mil por hora y no podía parar y pensar que estaba pasando siquiera.
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+ Cuéntanos, ¿Cómo acabaste en un psiquiátrico? ¿Cómo fue tu estancia en la Capilla Peligrosa?Una vez en la Capilla Peligrosa, empiezas a asociar irracionalmente las cosas con tal de que el mundo siga cuerdo, sino te entra la extraña sensación de que te estas muriendo y comienzas a alucinar. Todo comenzó cuando estando de pleno en la Capilla Peligrosa en el Lidl de mi barrio, vi a las chicas que se encargan de ordenar los recursos del supermercado y demás sonreírme todas a la vez con una sonrisa demoníaca. Salí del supermercado. Fui a casa, de camino a casa oyendo la radio todos estaban con un mal día, todos diciendo todo el rato: no se lo que digo, que día llevo hoy... empiezo a creer que yo estoy provocando sucesos y fenómenos inexplicables a mi alrededor. Me conecto al Counter Strike en casa y muy extrañado observo como todos los servidores están Hackeados, voy a Decondicionamiento y la página está caída. Apago el ordenador, en la habitación empiezo a escuchar como grita el profesor de E.Física desde el colegio:
-Ayudaa!! Policia!!
Voy a mirar por la ventana, y ya no está él dando clase. Sino un tío con gafas de sol que no conozco de nada.
Vuelvo a la habitación, escucho decir al vecino a través de la pared:
-Yo lo vii! ahí lo vi yo!! (el hermano de este, le contesta que que esta diciendo), ahí vi como hacían chorizos con esa niña! lo vi!! medio llorando.
Empiezo a desesperarme, me tomo tres pastillas de Abilify y sigo perdido sin saber que hacer. (Entré en el psicólogo una vez, y salí igual que entré. No voy a decir qué hice para entrar en el psicólogo, fue algo violento y ahí se dio cuenta mi familia que no estaba bien de la cabeza).
Voy a la cama con mi padre a ver la tele. Sucede algo imposible.
En todas las cadenas de televisión están colaborando para que mi sistema de creencias cambie. ¿Por qué? Todas me mandaban mensajes personales, en la 2, cambiaron lo de saber y ganar, el decorado y justo al entrar en la puerta aparecía la cara en primer plano de una mujer de rojo mirando fijamente al espectador (lo asocio con "Matrix") en otra veía a el público con gafas de sol estando yo sin gafas y luego los veo normal ya con gafas pero empiezo a asociar que van a matar al público porque estaban mirando una escena (de violencia creía yo) y ellos se reían y otros no. Los que NO se reían debían morir. Luego empiezo a creer que van a hacer una limpieza nacional de personas, pues llegaba la era de Acuario. Veía a agentes de seguridad proteger nuevos modos de vida por televisión que yo veía como mentirosos y hasta modos denunciables. Algo raro estaba pasando desde luego, es difícil de describir (yemeth organiza la historia para que encaje bien).
Veo dos soles ponerse en la televisión de la 2. Empiezo a creer que el 2012 está sucediendo ahora. También pienso que mis padres quieren quitarme de encima o algo así. Tengo una experiencia mística en una playa con mi padre. Vuelvo a casa y empiezo a inventarme rituales con tal de seguir cuerdo, hacía mudras con las manos con tal de creer que así no me mataría nadie y todo sucedería como yo creía.
Me pongo a leer un libro y empiezo a identificarme con la historia principal, como si yo fuera el protagonista. En ese libro el autor veía al protagonista con un cuchillo clavado en el corazón... (yo estaba en un sistema de creencias en el cual todos eran vampiros que querían comerme vivo, porque pensaba que llegado a este estado mental de la Capilla Peligrosa todo era posible... y significaba que yo ya estaba preparado para ser devorado... los vampiros vivirían y a las presas de los vampiros les tocaría morir... lo bueno es que como dijo RAW... "Si no ves los fnords no pueden comerte".
Al final acabo por segunda vez en el centro psiquiátrico, esta vez 20 días allí metido. Alucinando y bien jodido.
+ Dices que asociabas las cosas irracionalmente, pero al mismo tiempo que había una motivación detrás de la forma en que se sincronizaba toda tu realidad contigo. ¿Qué crees que podría estar pasando ahí realmente?Uf, algo que escapa mi comprensión. Quizás una "suprainteligencia" detrás, Red de Coincidencia Cósmica haciendo horas extra como decía RAW. La verdad asustaba muchísimo, todo parecía un sueño y luego una pesadilla. Llegué a ver todo al revés, incluso en Internet. A asociar e interpretar (dándole significado) a números y colores con tal de no volverme loco. Necesitaba continuar el guión por mi propia pseudoracionalidad del momento, y la realidad co-creaba ese guión conmigo. Se me revelaron los espejos. No sé como podría describirlo mejor.
Quote from: "Kirot en burbuja.info"Os voy a contar un secreto, en el psicólogo, en el centro para enfermos mentales, acaban comiéndote. Lo que tú ves, es una mujer corriendo hecha polvo dando patadas a las ventanas, en su realidad es que la están comiendo (o les hacen creer eso, como una ilusión que al final nunca llega a suceder (como la muerte?). Hay una frecuencia donde TODO cambia. He vivido momentos mágicos e irrepetibles en ese lugar. La realidad a veces llega a impresionar, he visto cosas sinceramente imposibles. Sincronías imposibles. En fin...
¿Cómo conseguiste estabilizarte y volver a una vida "normal"? ¿Volverías a intentar caminar en esa dirección?Conseguí estabilizarme tomando Haloperidol y 15mg de Abilify que aparentemente no me hacían efecto en el Hospital. Y volviendo a reintroducirme en la realidad consensuada, caminando todas las mañanas una hora por orden del médico. Así poco a poco día a día fui volviendo a "la realidad consensuada".
Volvería a repetir la experiencia pero esta vez de forma consciente y asegurándome que podría pararlo cuando quisiese, o bien asegurándome otro estado de Gnosis... que fue lo que me provocó la caída de la realidad. Pues en ese estado no podía comer (la comida me ardía en estomago)... y me sentía tan feliz que hacer las cosas que hacia cada día me parecían... absurdas. Yo con tal de seguir en ese estado eternamente ya me podía morir de hambre que me daba igual.
+ ¿Cómo te sientes ahora una vez estabilizado?Me siento igual que antes de estar en la Capilla Peligrosa, solo que algo más temeroso a que me pueda suceder otra vez la pesadilla de antes.
+ ¿Crees que volverás allí, a enfrentarte a la Capilla? ¿Has hecho algún plan al respecto?Tengo dudas, puede que suceda (aunque el numero de sincronías tendría que ser muy alto), puede que al dejar la medicación vuelva a por mi... siento que dejé algo a medias (aunque casi muerto en el Hospital). Pero que en cualquier momento puede tomar forma de nuevo y sumergir a mi ego en el laberinto de las sombras del que afortunadamente salí cuerdo y vivo.
+ ¿Qué le dirías a alguien que estuviera ahora experimentando como su realidad "racional" se derrumba, y ante quien se estén abriendo las puertas de la capilla?Primero que leyera tu ensayo sobre la Capilla Peligrosa.
Segundo que sea valiente y si se atreve que explore la Capilla porque el esfuerzo y el susto merece la pena... a largo plazo merece la pena la experiencia. Yo lo veo casi como morirse virgen o no. Hay que vivir la Capilla Peligrosa para saber de que va la vida "en realidad".
"Todo lo que temes te está esperando como un monstruo con las fauces abiertas en la Capilla Peligrosa, pero si uno está armado con la Varita Mágica de la Intuición, el Cáliz de la Simpatía, la Espada de la Razón y el Pentáculo del Valor , descubrirá allí según las leyendas la Medicina de los Metales, el Elixir de la Vida, la Piedra Filosofal, la Verdadera Sabiduría y la Perfecta Felicidad."
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Hola, Khore.
En Ingles, por favor.
Quote from: Suu on December 14, 2011, 12:46:10 PM
Hola, Khore.
En Ingles, por favor.
Translated by Google Translator:
Source: :: View topic - Laynd in the Chapel Perilous (http://www.13t.org/decondicionamiento/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1973)
I have become mentally ready to die, losing reason.
I have suffered fear, so far as to think that he would die eaten alive.
Visual and auditory hallucinations, such as creating the right script, inventing false reason for my death. Giving resources to my mind to follow the tragicomedy that led me to the hospital one night in May. Lost was the only really interpret every phenomenon as a signal, color and meaning, interpreted and valued each number as a superstitious instructions to the "true" "reality", loss of sanity or reality map above. Each schedule or bar code tell me something, give me a meaning that would help me keep pulling forward.
Now I know that nothing is true.
That really depends on how you approach things, which is plural and mutable.
And the mind can be bent to extremes almost impossible.
Fortunately I left the Chapel Perilous, the psychotic break or whatever you want to call sane and without serious consequences. In a few months or years I'll be fully recovered if I have relapses and everything is fine. In my case the mental death invented reasons for physical death. And he almost succeeded. - Written by Kirot, October 2010
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"Once in Chapel Perilous, you begin to associate with such irrational things that keep the world sane"
Kirot was recorded in spring 2010 as a user in the user name deconditioning "Laynd." Almost the first thing he did was open a thread on the "Chapel Perilous" of Robert Anton Wilson to speak in his "Hammer Cosmic I", giving some clues about their way through that fearful place that some medicalize as psychosis, others consider the Less confrontation with the Guardian of the Threshold, and many simply summarized as "Initiation".
Now you have Kirot things from personal experience, and its proposal to develop these ideas with an interview format in which the keys trying to deepen their experiences. Forward:
+ There was a time before entering the chapel where the dangerous reality affirm that acted like you wanted. How did this start? Why do you think you started to manifest your will in this way? The reality was on my side, then went into a state of Gnosis, feeling "connected to the power" accompanied by mild hallucinations such as seeing deified nature and see stars instead of UFOs. Besides, the burning heart, sweating breathing ... which gave pleasure and I felt like the guardian of the oracle in "Matrix" when Neo sees light in it ... I felt like something inside of me.
That was the control I had of things. Bliss, mystical ecstasy. Everything started to go wrong over time, because then I did not know what to expect ... and besides, I had the vague feeling that all sighed and looked at me wrong every time it goes near them. For example, a girl with face powder being denied check your symptoms clear for me to vent all their problems then me and happy and I end up leaving with a bad chest incredible energy.
Quote from: Kirot in Burbuja.infothe first thing I encounter is a bullshit aunt made me miserable status DENIED. I tell her and she pretends not too bad. I walk and I notice that I have to flee their fucking face if you do not want to "get back" the bad energy that seems much needed rest and I was full of shit. The face of the girl he was getting better and better as time went with her as I began to feel some heavy fucking shitty generated within me, do not overdo shit, can not rid of her, then got my friends and my former best friend seemed changed and I demanded to be accompanied as they once did. It's like I see it all backwards and vice versa and I do not know how to make me be happy again without "please" or hold the minds of others. After You probably many will believe that I've gone crazy, but my greatest enemies before, or people I thought I was being very false now are the ones who greet me on the street.
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How would you describe what + to be "connected to the source"? What did you do that, was spontaneous, was a "test"? Have you been later? It was spontaneous. I went from day to day not to have dandruff or circles, to have straight hair (formerly frizzy). I was completely mute and with an imperturbable peace ... was one of the best experiences of my life. (I suspect I could be possessed by some entity, because when my father scolded me too much, or the hospital itself, I moved the body alone and contracted at will reject something like ... it was very strange).
[Kirot later remember this] . I forgot. The state of being "connected to the source" of "gnosis" maximum happiness,
was preceded by a strong stress who had suffered a few months ago.
+ This is very curious. You talk about stress, but just before you said it was spontaneous (which makes more interesting than you remembered this by insisting on it).
I'll explain my "suspicion". The Chapel Perilous necessarily manifests itself not only just so terrifying. The "rave" may be paranoid, but it can also be "greatness" or in general of a type that will rise instead of sink. It all depends on the spirit in which some points that outline your reality in a state of collapse. It also said that in your state of gnosis creabas changes around, ie, already synchronicity between.
That makes me think, but you will know better: what if you get into the "Chapel Perilous" not when things began to turn gnosis still active but when you mention you were connected to the source? That would mean that you would have gotten inside the chapel would now mention the stress of the previous months.
Maybe, because in fact what I did was rave into this new world of being connected to the source. Orgasmic state that almost made me consider the nature of reality completely. And this approach was when things started to think ... "Irrational" or quite distorted because I was totally absorbed in my state. Besides, was hypersensitive to everything around ... and felt the energies of others. He said it was all energy.
It was more or less like being 6 months loading stress, in a brutal way and then explode inside and send everything to take the ass (mentally) and I was left on the island connected to the source. Then I started to create change around at the state and began synchronicity.
+ I guess if we could be interesting to further identify the link between delusions (either paranoid or 'greatness') and the actual stress and problems you had before and you sent to hell, to what extent dealt with similar issues, or you came from outside what you rejected?. I do not know, maybe is there the point where things begin to spin. Well, I guess everything happened in the village. Totally abnormal. My pressures forced me to break out and send to fuck my mother. I called psychopath. And finally, I spent an egg. From there I began to see everything from another perspective ... and I think that's when everything exploded inside. She remained impassive, my father did not say anything and I then asked my mother for forgiveness. But something had changed inside me. Then I started to behave very strange, I was just going out clothes "disastrous", I began to feel that they had because they suppress more. For example, I stopped laughing thank people, teachers ... I became an independent society. Then, there was a clause that expires in 1 day and the next began to "get at the source" to see nature and everything else deified.
+ Why do you think that then began to emerge that "vague feeling" paranoid? How did you evolve? Why you could not maintain this state of "connection to the source" My parents began to worry about me, and in that state began to relate bad things. I thought it was a concern for something deeper than the obvious (that did not eat, I was elated and very active). At first it only bothered me his accusations towards me, but then I started to take it too seriously, I was finally about to run away from home, also felt the heart beat and felt strong energy pumping well as "dark" while he was throwing my parents heard growling in the process. Very strange, very afraid, grief and horror at the sight that was useless and that they continued growling like breathing monsters. Once I started I tried to escape to maintain a telepathic connection with "x", or so I thought (would be talking to myself mentally). To convince himself that they would kill me, besides, the noise of others in the room and huge booms were heard, the truth was very scared. I myself, my brain was going a mile a minute and could not stop and think that was happening at all.
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+ Tell us, how did you end up in an asylum? How was your stay in the Chapel Perilous Once in the Chapel Perilous, you begin to associate with such irrational things that keep the world sane, but you're feeling a strange feeling that you're dying and you start to hallucinate. It all started when being full in the Chapel Perilous in Lidl in my neighborhood, I saw girls who are responsible for managing the resources of the supermarket and other smile all the time with a smile demonic. I left the supermarket. I went home, on the way home listening to the radio all were having a bad day, all saying all along: not what I say, that took days now ... I begin to believe that I am causing events and unexplained phenomena around me. I connect to Counter Strike sorely missed at home and watch as all servers are hacked, I deconditioning and the page is down. I turn off the computer in the room begin to listen as the teacher yells E. Physics from the school:
-Ayudaa! Police!
I'll look out the window, and he is no longer lecturing. But a guy with sunglasses that do not know anything.
Return to the room, I hear the neighbor through the wall:
Vii-I! I saw it there! (The brother of this, he replies that he is saying), I saw there were sausages with that girl! I saw him! half crying.
I begin to despair, I take three tablets of Abilify and I lost not knowing what to do. (I entered the psychologist once, and left as I entered. I will not say what I did to enter the psychologist, there was something violent and my family realized I was not right in the head).
I go to bed with my father to watch TV. There is something impossible.
All broadcasters are working to change my belief system. Why? All they sent me personal messages in 2, changed what you know and win the set and just inside the door face appeared in the foreground of a woman in red staring at the viewer (I associate with "Matrix") in other public saw the sunglasses being without glasses and then normal I already have glasses but I start to associate going to kill the public because they were watching a scene (of violence I thought) and they laughed and others not. Those who had to die laughing. Then I start to believe they will do a national clean people, because the Aquarian age arrived. I saw security officers protect new ways of life that I saw on television as liars and even modes reportable. Something strange was going on since then, it is difficult to describe (yemeth organized to fit the story well).
I see two suns put on the television 2. I'm beginning to believe that 2012 is happening now. I also think that my parents want to take off or something. I have a mystical experience on a beach with my father. I come home and start to invent rituals to follow such sane, mudras hands was so long I do not believe that it would kill anyone and happen as I thought.
I start reading a book and begin to identify with the main story, as if I were the protagonist. In this book the author was the hero with a knife in the heart ... (I was on a belief system in which all were vampires who wanted to eat me alive, because he thought he reached this state of mind of the Chapel Perilous anything was possible ... and it meant that I was ready to be devoured ... and live vampire vampires prey die ... it would behoove the good thing is that as RAW said ... "If you do not see can not eat fnords."
At the end just the second time in the psychiatric ward, this time got 20 days here. Hallucinating and well fucked.
+ say you associate things irrationally, but at the same time there was a motivation behind the way in which you synchronize all your reality. What do you think there really might be happening? Ugh, something beyond my comprehension. Perhaps a "suprainteligencia" behind Cosmic Coincidence Network working overtime as I said RAW. The frightening truth a lot, it seemed a dream and then a nightmare. I got to see everything upside down, even online. To associate and interpret (giving meaning) to numbers and colors so as not to go crazy. Needed to continue the script for my own pseudoracionalidad the time, and reality co-created the script with me. He showed me the mirrors. I do not know and could describe it better.
Quote from: Kirot in burbuja.infoI'll tell you a secret, the psychologist, in the center for the mentally ill, just by eating. What you see is a woman running gutted kicking the windows, where reality is that they are eating (or make them believe that, as an illusion in the end never comes to pass (such as death?). There a frequency where everything changes. I have lived and unforgettable magical moments there. The truth sometimes comes to impress, I have seen things truly impossible. synchronicities impossible. In order ...
How did you stabilize yourself and return to a "normal" life? Would you return to try to walk in that direction Haloperidol and got steady me taking 15mg of Abilify apparently did not effect me in the hospital. And going back to re-enter the consensus reality, walking every morning one hour per doctor's order. Thus little by little every day I went back to "consensus reality".
Repeat the experience again but this time consciously and making sure that could stop whenever I wanted, or another state of Gnosis making sure ... that was what I brought down to reality. For in that state could not eat (the food was burning in the stomach) ... and I was so happy to do the things that seemed to me every day ... absurd. So I followed in that state ever since I could die of hunger that I did not care.
+ How do you feel now is stabilized I feel the same as before you were in the Chapel Perilous, only more fearful that something might happen to me again the nightmare before.
+ Do you think that you will return there to face the Chapel? Have you made any plans about it? I have doubts, it may happen (although the number of synchronicities would be very high), you can stop taking drugs that again for me ... I feel like I left something half (although almost died in the Hospital). But at any time can take shape again and immerse my self in the maze of shadows that fortunately went sane and alive.
+ What would you say to someone who was now experiencing its reality "rational" collapses, and to whom you are opening the doors of the chapel First I read your essay on the Chapel Perilous.
Second to be brave and if you dare to explore the chapel because the effort and worth the scare ... long-term worth the experience. I see it almost like dying virgin or not. We must live the Chapel Perilous to know that life is "really".
"Everything you fear is waiting for you as a monster with open jaws in Chapel Perilous, but if one is armed with the magic wand of intuition, the Chalice of Sympathy, the Sword of Reason and the Pentacle of Valor, find out there according to legend, the Medicine of Metals, the Elixir of Life, the Philosopher's Stone, True Wisdom and Perfect Happiness. "
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Quote from: Suu on December 14, 2011, 12:46:10 PM
Hola, Khore.
En Ingles, por favor.
Actually, we're trying to encourage more posting in spanish.
TS;DR
Hey Khore,
I enjoyed your story about your journey through the chapel.
A few months ago, I decided to learn more about Aliester Crowley. I
almost joined an OTO lodge in New York City... but my friend started getting really into it, and he creeped me out, so I decided to keep my distance. But as I understand it, that path will take you through the Abyss, make you face Choronzon -- and that's also the Chapel Perilous, right?
It's interesting reading about people's experiences in there. I feel like if I were taking the Chapel Tour, I'd avoid television entirely! Because of this:
QuoteAll broadcasters are working to change my belief system.
It sounds like quite a journey. I'm not sure if I have the stomach for it. Some part of me has always wanted to take it, but after you've taken the first step, I hear it's really hard to get back. You needed medication to snap you out of it? Do you think most people would?
I thought that was interesting. I note many similarities in the experiences of people I know.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 03:52:26 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 03:44:30 PM
TS;DR
I almost ate the Fnords.
Ohhh...I didn't know you were a pinealist. You should have said so.
Pinealist... i must search about what is pinealist, but is not a play. I remember saying to my sister quietly take me to the third floor because I wanted to jump out the window of the hospital psychiatric center. It was a terrible experiencie, but very formative.
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 04:32:22 PM
I thought that was interesting. I note many similarities in the experiences of people I know.
What experiencies? I am interested in knowing, there may be a "conspiracy" in the shade with this issue :fnord:
Of course, I think every trip must be different but they sure have some things in common.
Quote from: Cramulus on December 14, 2011, 04:00:45 PM
Hey Khore,
I enjoyed your story about your journey through the chapel.
A few months ago, I decided to learn more about Aliester Crowley. I almost joined an OTO lodge in New York City... but my friend started getting really into it, and he creeped me out, so I decided to keep my distance. But as I understand it, that path will take you through the Abyss, make you face Choronzon -- and that's also the Chapel Perilous, right?
It's interesting reading about people's experiences in there. I feel like if I were taking the Chapel Tour, I'd avoid television entirely! Because of this:
QuoteAll broadcasters are working to change my belief system.
It sounds like quite a journey. I'm not sure if I have the stomach for it. Some part of me has always wanted to take it, but after you've taken the first step, I hear it's really hard to get back. You needed medication to snap you out of it? Do you think most people would?
Is true, in the chapel you face Choronzon, and in my case "spirits or souls" of my friends and people he knew who died came to help, or so I wanted to play with my "Holy Guardian Angel", I think HGA can be symbolize as the source of all perception. And the TV changed my belief system continuously, but "as it was a conspiracy in which everyone participated and people that were turn awake, people were murdered by his family or other agents". A lot of bizarre and incomprensible experiences told me that it was real. I had to take a chance and swallow and swallow all the pressure in my chest so that no one knew I was fnords viewing. It's fucked up to live, the most important experience of my life for sure. Currently taking medication necessarily, I never got violent, they say I still need to take it. I think if you stop taking it there would be no problem because I've been through the trip, but there are superstitions say in psychiatry and my parents forced me to take it so, I'm going to do. In the chapel if you want to leave the trip should take Haloperidol, Abilify not get to stop the travel. Haloperidol is very bad but effective and leaves you schmuck and leaves you without thinking. Abilify only leaves you long-term emotions and "zen state".
I always was a magic finder for my self, i need it. A need that magic wellcome to my life or the truth out there. But i never expected that it would come into that bad trip. (At the beginning it was a very good trip, but i was very stressed and it turn to a bad trip). Nobody understand me and i couldnt understand anybody in theese state.
I am very stubborn and he did perhaps come back to my original reality tunnel, but say it was a good jolt of my "assemblage point". Last for a month and as I would have stayed there forever without knowing tunnel back to my reality now.
What type of experiences did you friend?
I think that a psychiatric break must be very common among people of a certain intellectual inclination, because many of my friends have had similar experiences with being institutionalized at a fairly young age.
Also it was kind of a fad in the 80's to send your kid to mental health camp. You know, those for-profit mental institutions where anything went. Most of the poor fuckers came out worse off than they went in, due to the abuse that is rampant in such institutions.
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 05:20:12 PM
I think that a psychiatric break must be very common among people of a certain intellectual inclination, because many of my friends have had similar experiences with being institutionalized at a fairly young age.
Also it was kind of a fad in the 80's to send your kid to mental health camp. You know, those for-profit mental institutions where anything went. Most of the poor fuckers came out worse off than they went in, due to the abuse that is rampant in such institutions.
No one helped me in theese site, indeed, they made fun of my situation.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 03:52:26 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 03:44:30 PM
TS;DR
I almost ate the Fnords.
Ohhh...I didn't know you were a pinealist. You should have said so.
Now that i know what a pinealist should be, i say fnord because it was like a fnord, well, if you dont know what a fnord "is" please shut up and stop saying that i am a "pinealist" when indeed you dont know what "is" a fnord or the bizarre experience of staying in the Chapel. Ok? Maybe RAW was saying fnord only to describe this bizarre experiencie of staying in nowhere and feeling totally amused and like if you were to die. This is my interpretation. You have your interpretation. No problem. All happy.
For what it's worth, while we may use "Pinealist" as a taunt, it's really just another flavor of Discordia. Problems usually arise because these forums are largely populated by people who tend (for the most part) to be more oriented towards pragmatism and rationality. So you can only imagine what happens when the two try to communicate with each other.
To speak from my own experiences, The Chapel Perilous of Crowley and RAW is more like Polanski's Chinatown for me these days. I have run into Choronzon when I was framing my experiences that way, but it really didn't serve my purposes, so I changed it.
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 05:34:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 03:52:26 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 03:44:30 PM
TS;DR
I almost ate the Fnords.
Ohhh...I didn't know you were a pinealist. You should have said so.
Now that i know what a pinealist should be, i say fnord because it was like a fnord, well, if you dont know what a fnord "is" please shut up and stop saying that i am a "pinealist" when indeed you dont know what "is" a fnord or the bizarre experience of staying in the Chapel. Ok? Maybe RAW was saying fnord only to describe this bizarre experiencie of staying in nowhere and feeling totally amused and like if you were to die. This is my interpretation. You have your interpretation. No problem. All happy.
Oh, yeaaaaaah.
:lord:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 14, 2011, 05:46:45 PM
For what it's worth, while we may use "Pinealist" as a taunt, it's really just another flavor of Discordia. Problems usually arise because these forums are largely populated by people who tend (for the most part) to be more oriented towards pragmatism and rationality. So you can only imagine what happens when the two try to communicate with each other.
To speak from my own experiences, The Chapel Perilous of Crowley and RAW is more like Polanski's Chinatown for me these days. I have run into Choronzon when I was framing my experiences that way, but it really didn't serve my purposes, so I changed it.
I know nothing of any of this. I do not even know what fnords are.
:whack:
It's a car company, right?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 14, 2011, 06:36:19 PM
It's a car company, right?
Don't be silly. It's a natural harbor in Norway.
Hey guys, have any of you ever heard about this wacky goddess called Eris?
Isn't that just a dwarf planet in our solar system?
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 06:39:30 PM
Hey guys, have any of you ever heard about this wacky goddess called Eris?
I heard they named a planet after her. No, really. It's a small planet, but it's still a planet.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 06:39:30 PM
Hey guys, have any of you ever heard about this wacky goddess called Eris?
I heard they named a planet after her. No, really. It's a small planet, but it's still a planet.
Wow! The more you know!
I heard that there was something about a war, too. Ever heard anything about that? Something about an apple inscribed "To the prettiest one"?
That might be too obscure for this crowd though.
No, that can't be right. She's a cartoon character on Billy and Mandy.
Incidentally, what little sense I could make out of the OP was:
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceThe world is really hard, and I cut myself when I contemplate it. It hurts to think. I am now channeling John Lennon AND Sinead O'Conner. GENIUS IS PAIN! GENIUS IS PAIN! YOKO ONO IS A ROCK N ROLL GODDESS! YOU KNOW WHY NOBODY LIKES HER? BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN AND SHE'S ORIENTAL, THAT'S WHY! AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! PAUL WASN'T THE WALRUS, I WAS ACTUALLY THE WALRUS, I WAS ONLY SAYING THAT TO BE NICE AND I'M SICK OF GEORGE HARRISON AND ALL HIS HARE KRISHNA BULLSHIT! FUCK YOUUUUUU! Also, I almost killed myself once because of the hallucinations I suffered while trying to be the next Carlos Castanada. Fnord.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 14, 2011, 06:44:07 PM
No, that can't be right. She's a cartoon character on Billy and Mandy.
Ohhhhh, that must be where I heard about her! She seemed vaguely familiar.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:44:49 PM
Incidentally, what little sense I could make out of the OP was:
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceThe world is really hard, and I cut myself when I contemplate it. It hurts to think. I am now channeling John Lennon AND Sinead O'Conner. GENIUS IS PAIN! GENIUS IS PAIN! YOKO ONO IS A ROCK N ROLL GODDESS! YOU KNOW WHY NOBODY LIKES HER? BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN AND SHE'S ORIENTAL, THAT'S WHY! AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! PAUL WASN'T THE WALRUS, I WAS ACTUALLY THE WALRUS, I WAS ONLY SAYING THAT TO BE NICE AND I'M SICK OF GEORGE HARRISON AND ALL HIS HARE KRISHNA BULLSHIT! FUCK YOUUUUUU! Also, I almost killed myself once because of the hallucinations I suffered while trying to be the next Carlos Castanada. Fnord.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: Oh shit.
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 06:45:31 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:44:49 PM
Incidentally, what little sense I could make out of the OP was:
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceThe world is really hard, and I cut myself when I contemplate it. It hurts to think. I am now channeling John Lennon AND Sinead O'Conner. GENIUS IS PAIN! GENIUS IS PAIN! YOKO ONO IS A ROCK N ROLL GODDESS! YOU KNOW WHY NOBODY LIKES HER? BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN AND SHE'S ORIENTAL, THAT'S WHY! AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! PAUL WASN'T THE WALRUS, I WAS ACTUALLY THE WALRUS, I WAS ONLY SAYING THAT TO BE NICE AND I'M SICK OF GEORGE HARRISON AND ALL HIS HARE KRISHNA BULLSHIT! FUCK YOUUUUUU! Also, I almost killed myself once because of the hallucinations I suffered while trying to be the next Carlos Castanada. Fnord.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: Oh shit.
wait..wait...
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceAND I'VE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH MICK FUCKING JAGGER ALL HE EVER DID WAS COPY ME AND DANCE AROUND THE STAGE LIKE A FUCKING FAIRY AND BADFINGER IS BASICALLY ME WITHOUT THIS AWESOME FOREIGN ACCENT THE SKY IS BLUUUUUUE. In addition, I am mentally unbalanced, which in some cultures makes me a wiseman, and you should all drop what you're doing and study at my feet because of hallucinations and Chorozon, which is apparently neither a Mexican breakfast dish nor an obscure sports term. Fnord, I say, fnord.
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceChorozon, which is apparently neither a Mexican breakfast dish nor an obscure sports term.
:spit:
Quote from: Cramulus on December 14, 2011, 04:00:45 PM
Hey Khore,
I enjoyed your story about your journey through the chapel.
A few months ago, I decided to learn more about Aliester Crowley. I almost joined an OTO lodge in New York City... but my friend started getting really into it, and he creeped me out, so I decided to keep my distance. But as I understand it, that path will take you through the Abyss, make you face Choronzon -- and that's also the Chapel Perilous, right?
It's interesting reading about people's experiences in there. I feel like if I were taking the Chapel Tour, I'd avoid television entirely! Because of this:
QuoteAll broadcasters are working to change my belief system.
It sounds like quite a journey. I'm not sure if I have the stomach for it. Some part of me has always wanted to take it, but after you've taken the first step, I hear it's really hard to get back. You needed medication to snap you out of it? Do you think most people would?
2c from SSOOKN.
1) I don't read Spanish. For those that do, does the original text come across as incoherent as the translation?
2) Cram - there's a lot of resources on Crowley. You can learn a lot about his life and work without having to join the OTO or similar organization. In fact, many self-described Thelemites are not members of any kind of 'order'.
3) The OTO (at least, the famous 'Caliphate' version that gets peoples panties in a bunch) do not put people on the 'path across the Abyss'. The OTO is a quasi-masonic style organization that exists for Thelemites to experience fellowship with like minded people. Their ceremonial initiations are an allegorical journey of incarnation, the chakras and a not very secret code for 'sex magic' that is revealed in the upper degrees (7th through 9th). Their mandate is not to teach magic nor lead people to Choronzon or whatever. That would, more properly be the business of the separate but closely related A:. A:. order.
4) The whole 'crossing the abyss' thing is peculiar to Crowley's idiosyncratic interpretation of the Hermetic qabalah that he learned from the Golden Dawn. There's a vast amount of non-Crowley Hermetic/Qabbalistic resources which do not have all the 'spooky Abyss' stuff. Needless to say, if you spoke to experts on Judaic 'kosher' Qabbalah, they're going to look at you funny and make their best efforts to stifle a laugh in their considerable Hassidic facial hair.
5) The legitimacy (or not) of Crowley's abysmal musings aside, Choronzon is a personification of
dispersion. Anything that distracts you from your True Will or purpose is Choronzon. All your negative self talk, self-limiting behaviors, excuses, rationalizations, fears etc that prevent you from fulfilling yourself to the utmost is Choronzon. Whatever keeps you from getting done what
must be done is Choronzon. It's convenient label for all the reasons why a person wasn't 'all they could be'.
6) While a case could be made for 'psychosis as potentially liberating experience',
mental breaks do not an initiate make.
7) I've never read any of RAW's books, only a few essays and introductions that he wrote for other books. As such, I don't have anything to say about the 'Chapel Perilous'.
ETA:
Chorozon, which is apparently neither a Mexican breakfast dish nor an obscure sports term. :lol: That description works just as well.
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceTWO SIDES LIVE WAS THE BEST ROCK N ROLL ALBUM EVER MADE! AHHHHHH! MOTHER, THEY'RE TRYING TO CRUCIFY ME! GENIUS IS PAIN! GENIUS IS PAAAAAIN! OR WAS IT PAYNE? AAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAH! Hey, don't mind me if I wrap up my collected teenage angst in your religion and take it for a drag through the sewer. It's just my way. Plus, I get to pass off my inability to deal with adolescence under this really cool "chapel perilous" thing. I have a tallbike! I had it before everyone else got one! And you don't mind if I post this in a language that only one or two of you speak, right? Also, please give me an entire Spanish-speaking section for my attention whoring. AND I'M TIRED OF ALL THESE HIPPIES TRYING TO GET MY AUTOGRAPH, LOOK YOU LITTLE BASTARDS I'M NOT YOUR FUCKING PARENTS, FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
This machine...It is unstoppable. It feels no pain. It can't be reasoned with.
Im tired of your shit too, Eris, but i love you yet.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:48:47 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 06:45:31 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:44:49 PM
Incidentally, what little sense I could make out of the OP was:
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceThe world is really hard, and I cut myself when I contemplate it. It hurts to think. I am now channeling John Lennon AND Sinead O'Conner. GENIUS IS PAIN! GENIUS IS PAIN! YOKO ONO IS A ROCK N ROLL GODDESS! YOU KNOW WHY NOBODY LIKES HER? BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN AND SHE'S ORIENTAL, THAT'S WHY! AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! PAUL WASN'T THE WALRUS, I WAS ACTUALLY THE WALRUS, I WAS ONLY SAYING THAT TO BE NICE AND I'M SICK OF GEORGE HARRISON AND ALL HIS HARE KRISHNA BULLSHIT! FUCK YOUUUUUU! Also, I almost killed myself once because of the hallucinations I suffered while trying to be the next Carlos Castanada. Fnord.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: Oh shit.
wait..wait...
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceAND I'VE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH MICK FUCKING JAGGER ALL HE EVER DID WAS COPY ME AND DANCE AROUND THE STAGE LIKE A FUCKING FAIRY AND BADFINGER IS BASICALLY ME WITHOUT THIS AWESOME FOREIGN ACCENT THE SKY IS BLUUUUUUE. In addition, I am mentally unbalanced, which in some cultures makes me a wiseman, and you should all drop what you're doing and study at my feet because of hallucinations and Chorozon, which is apparently neither a Mexican breakfast dish nor an obscure sports term. Fnord, I say, fnord.
FFFFFUUUUUUU :lulz:
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 06:56:15 PM
Im tired of your shit too, Eris, but i love you yet.
Let's just feed that into the little box.
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceLOOK AT MEEEEEE, YOU BASTARDS! I AM SPEAKING TO THE GODDESS! DOES SHE LISTEN TO YOU? WELL, SHE DOES TO ME...AS FAR AS YOU KNOW. RINGO STAR WAS A UGLY LITTLE GNOME WHO RODE ON MY BACK FOR DECADES! HE WAS NOTHING WITHOUT ME! NONE OF THEM WERE ANYTHING WITHOUT ME! NONE OF YOU ARE ANYTHING WITHOUT ME! Hey, nervous breakdowns are all liberating and shit. Have I mentioned that I almost jumped out a window once?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:55:02 PM
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceTWO SIDES LIVE WAS THE BEST ROCK N ROLL ALBUM EVER MADE! AHHHHHH! MOTHER, THEY'RE TRYING TO CRUCIFY ME! GENIUS IS PAIN! GENIUS IS PAAAAAIN! OR WAS IT PAYNE? AAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAH! Hey, don't mind me if I wrap up my collected teenage angst in your religion and take it for a drag through the sewer. It's just my way. Plus, I get to pass off my inability to deal with adolescence under this really cool "chapel perilous" thing. I have a tallbike! I had it before everyone else got one! And you don't mind if I post this in a language that only one or two of you speak, right? Also, please give me an entire Spanish-speaking section for my attention whoring. AND I'M TIRED OF ALL THESE HIPPIES TRYING TO GET MY AUTOGRAPH, LOOK YOU LITTLE BASTARDS I'M NOT YOUR FUCKING PARENTS, FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
This machine...It is unstoppable. It feels no pain. It can't be reasoned with.
It's MAGICKAL!
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 07:00:59 PM
FFFFFUUUUUUU :lulz:
There's still a little Doktor Howl in all of us, Nigel.
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 07:02:17 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:55:02 PM
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceTWO SIDES LIVE WAS THE BEST ROCK N ROLL ALBUM EVER MADE! AHHHHHH! MOTHER, THEY'RE TRYING TO CRUCIFY ME! GENIUS IS PAIN! GENIUS IS PAAAAAIN! OR WAS IT PAYNE? AAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAH! Hey, don't mind me if I wrap up my collected teenage angst in your religion and take it for a drag through the sewer. It's just my way. Plus, I get to pass off my inability to deal with adolescence under this really cool "chapel perilous" thing. I have a tallbike! I had it before everyone else got one! And you don't mind if I post this in a language that only one or two of you speak, right? Also, please give me an entire Spanish-speaking section for my attention whoring. AND I'M TIRED OF ALL THESE HIPPIES TRYING TO GET MY AUTOGRAPH, LOOK YOU LITTLE BASTARDS I'M NOT YOUR FUCKING PARENTS, FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
This machine...It is unstoppable. It feels no pain. It can't be reasoned with.
It's MAGICKAL!
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceTHE MAGICKLE MISERY TOUR IS COMING TO TAKE ME AWAY
HEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 07:02:17 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:55:02 PM
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceTWO SIDES LIVE WAS THE BEST ROCK N ROLL ALBUM EVER MADE! AHHHHHH! MOTHER, THEY'RE TRYING TO CRUCIFY ME! GENIUS IS PAIN! GENIUS IS PAAAAAIN! OR WAS IT PAYNE? AAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAH! Hey, don't mind me if I wrap up my collected teenage angst in your religion and take it for a drag through the sewer. It's just my way. Plus, I get to pass off my inability to deal with adolescence under this really cool "chapel perilous" thing. I have a tallbike! I had it before everyone else got one! And you don't mind if I post this in a language that only one or two of you speak, right? Also, please give me an entire Spanish-speaking section for my attention whoring. AND I'M TIRED OF ALL THESE HIPPIES TRYING TO GET MY AUTOGRAPH, LOOK YOU LITTLE BASTARDS I'M NOT YOUR FUCKING PARENTS, FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
This machine...It is unstoppable. It feels no pain. It can't be reasoned with.
It's MAGICKAL!
:? Please explain. I don't recognize this spelling.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 07:03:17 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 07:02:17 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:55:02 PM
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceTWO SIDES LIVE WAS THE BEST ROCK N ROLL ALBUM EVER MADE! AHHHHHH! MOTHER, THEY'RE TRYING TO CRUCIFY ME! GENIUS IS PAIN! GENIUS IS PAAAAAIN! OR WAS IT PAYNE? AAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAH! Hey, don't mind me if I wrap up my collected teenage angst in your religion and take it for a drag through the sewer. It's just my way. Plus, I get to pass off my inability to deal with adolescence under this really cool "chapel perilous" thing. I have a tallbike! I had it before everyone else got one! And you don't mind if I post this in a language that only one or two of you speak, right? Also, please give me an entire Spanish-speaking section for my attention whoring. AND I'M TIRED OF ALL THESE HIPPIES TRYING TO GET MY AUTOGRAPH, LOOK YOU LITTLE BASTARDS I'M NOT YOUR FUCKING PARENTS, FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
This machine...It is unstoppable. It feels no pain. It can't be reasoned with.
It's MAGICKAL!
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceTHE MAGICKLE MISERY TOUR IS COMING TO TAKE ME AWAY
Oh yeah, i love you too. Some americans are like kids, i guess.
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 07:09:52 PM
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Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceTWO SIDES LIVE WAS THE BEST ROCK N ROLL ALBUM EVER MADE! AHHHHHH! MOTHER, THEY'RE TRYING TO CRUCIFY ME! GENIUS IS PAIN! GENIUS IS PAAAAAIN! OR WAS IT PAYNE? AAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAH! Hey, don't mind me if I wrap up my collected teenage angst in your religion and take it for a drag through the sewer. It's just my way. Plus, I get to pass off my inability to deal with adolescence under this really cool "chapel perilous" thing. I have a tallbike! I had it before everyone else got one! And you don't mind if I post this in a language that only one or two of you speak, right? Also, please give me an entire Spanish-speaking section for my attention whoring. AND I'M TIRED OF ALL THESE HIPPIES TRYING TO GET MY AUTOGRAPH, LOOK YOU LITTLE BASTARDS I'M NOT YOUR FUCKING PARENTS, FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
This machine...It is unstoppable. It feels no pain. It can't be reasoned with.
It's MAGICKAL!
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceTHE MAGICKLE MISERY TOUR IS COMING TO TAKE ME AWAY
Oh yeah, i love you too. Some americans are like kids, i guess.
We're all like kids. Big, loud kids with huge toys that go bang. That's basically the fault of you Europeans, as I have explained elsewhere. What you don't seem to understand, though, is that there are many different types of Discordians, and each performs a function.
Imagine a human body. The BIP clowns are the brain. The artists are the heart. The ranters are the arse. The phages are the strong arms. The children of Eris are the wild hairs that get up your ass. And the pinealists, well, you're the snot.
Trust me on this, for I am in fact a Holy Man™, and I didn't even have to whine about being crazy to get the title. I am a Goddamn OVERMAN, and being Holy™ comes naturally, like farting while having sex, or "upper decking" the local hipster bar's toilet.
You sit there and whine about "chapel perilous". I'm gonna go fuck some shit up.
Hail Discordia, freak.
Quote from: Mangrove on December 14, 2011, 07:04:58 PM
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Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceTWO SIDES LIVE WAS THE BEST ROCK N ROLL ALBUM EVER MADE! AHHHHHH! MOTHER, THEY'RE TRYING TO CRUCIFY ME! GENIUS IS PAIN! GENIUS IS PAAAAAIN! OR WAS IT PAYNE? AAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAH! Hey, don't mind me if I wrap up my collected teenage angst in your religion and take it for a drag through the sewer. It's just my way. Plus, I get to pass off my inability to deal with adolescence under this really cool "chapel perilous" thing. I have a tallbike! I had it before everyone else got one! And you don't mind if I post this in a language that only one or two of you speak, right? Also, please give me an entire Spanish-speaking section for my attention whoring. AND I'M TIRED OF ALL THESE HIPPIES TRYING TO GET MY AUTOGRAPH, LOOK YOU LITTLE BASTARDS I'M NOT YOUR FUCKING PARENTS, FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
This machine...It is unstoppable. It feels no pain. It can't be reasoned with.
It's MAGICKAL!
:? Please explain. I don't recognize this spelling.
It is an alternative spelling used to distinguish actual REAL metaphysical science from stage prop sleight of hand shows.
MAGICK IS REAL SCIENCE.
ALSO SIGILS.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 07:16:36 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 07:09:52 PM
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Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceTWO SIDES LIVE WAS THE BEST ROCK N ROLL ALBUM EVER MADE! AHHHHHH! MOTHER, THEY'RE TRYING TO CRUCIFY ME! GENIUS IS PAIN! GENIUS IS PAAAAAIN! OR WAS IT PAYNE? AAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAH! Hey, don't mind me if I wrap up my collected teenage angst in your religion and take it for a drag through the sewer. It's just my way. Plus, I get to pass off my inability to deal with adolescence under this really cool "chapel perilous" thing. I have a tallbike! I had it before everyone else got one! And you don't mind if I post this in a language that only one or two of you speak, right? Also, please give me an entire Spanish-speaking section for my attention whoring. AND I'M TIRED OF ALL THESE HIPPIES TRYING TO GET MY AUTOGRAPH, LOOK YOU LITTLE BASTARDS I'M NOT YOUR FUCKING PARENTS, FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
This machine...It is unstoppable. It feels no pain. It can't be reasoned with.
It's MAGICKAL!
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceTHE MAGICKLE MISERY TOUR IS COMING TO TAKE ME AWAY
Oh yeah, i love you too. Some americans are like kids, i guess.
We're all like kids. Big, loud kids with huge toys that go bang. That's basically the fault of you Europeans, as I have explained elsewhere. What you don't seem to understand, though, is that there are many different types of Discordians, and each performs a function.
Imagine a human body. The BIP clowns are the brain. The artists are the heart. The ranters are the arse. The phages are the strong arms. The children of Eris are the wild hairs that get up your ass. And the pinealists, well, you're the snot.
Trust me on this, for I am in fact a Holy Man™, and I didn't even have to whine about being crazy to get the title. I am a Goddamn OVERMAN, and being Holy™ comes naturally, like farting while having sex, or "upper decking" the local hipster bar's toilet.
You sit there and whine about "chapel perilous". I'm gonna go fuck some shit up.
Hail Discordia, freak.
Yeah, i know.
(http://www.deviantart.com/download/162881921/Problem_Face_by_BrunowskiSigs.png)
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 07:23:31 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 07:16:36 PM
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:55:02 PM
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceTWO SIDES LIVE WAS THE BEST ROCK N ROLL ALBUM EVER MADE! AHHHHHH! MOTHER, THEY'RE TRYING TO CRUCIFY ME! GENIUS IS PAIN! GENIUS IS PAAAAAIN! OR WAS IT PAYNE? AAAAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAAH! Hey, don't mind me if I wrap up my collected teenage angst in your religion and take it for a drag through the sewer. It's just my way. Plus, I get to pass off my inability to deal with adolescence under this really cool "chapel perilous" thing. I have a tallbike! I had it before everyone else got one! And you don't mind if I post this in a language that only one or two of you speak, right? Also, please give me an entire Spanish-speaking section for my attention whoring. AND I'M TIRED OF ALL THESE HIPPIES TRYING TO GET MY AUTOGRAPH, LOOK YOU LITTLE BASTARDS I'M NOT YOUR FUCKING PARENTS, FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
This machine...It is unstoppable. It feels no pain. It can't be reasoned with.
It's MAGICKAL!
Quote from: Emotard Translation DeviceTHE MAGICKLE MISERY TOUR IS COMING TO TAKE ME AWAY
Oh yeah, i love you too. Some americans are like kids, i guess.
We're all like kids. Big, loud kids with huge toys that go bang. That's basically the fault of you Europeans, as I have explained elsewhere. What you don't seem to understand, though, is that there are many different types of Discordians, and each performs a function.
Imagine a human body. The BIP clowns are the brain. The artists are the heart. The ranters are the arse. The phages are the strong arms. The children of Eris are the wild hairs that get up your ass. And the pinealists, well, you're the snot.
Trust me on this, for I am in fact a Holy Man™, and I didn't even have to whine about being crazy to get the title. I am a Goddamn OVERMAN, and being Holy™ comes naturally, like farting while having sex, or "upper decking" the local hipster bar's toilet.
You sit there and whine about "chapel perilous". I'm gonna go fuck some shit up.
Hail Discordia, freak.
Yeah, i know.
(http://www.deviantart.com/download/162881921/Problem_Face_by_BrunowskiSigs.png)
Three things:
1. America is YOUR fault, subhuman foreign whiners:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=30748.0
2. :notnice:
3. :pope:
Fuck the system.
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 07:37:38 PM
"subhuman foreign whiners" you say... hm... to stupid to answer. I belived that Discordianism was a "superior" religion for clever people. Now im know that stupidity is the principal error of human being. The problem is that you dont know that we, ALL, are stupids and then whiners too. You think... what? you think? If you could speak spanish, i could loling hard with you but you cant :cry:
Sorry, we Americans only speak the language GOD gave to us. We leave the monkey-jabbering for you offshore types.
I am impressed, though. You speak English almost as if you actually
understand what you're saying. The more clever dolphins can give that illusion as well, or so I hear.
LMNO: I am a bad person.
:lulz:
Hahaha, you funny too my friend.
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 07:48:08 PM
Hahaha, you funny too my friend.
Well, that's the whole trick behind Discordianism, isn't it? Laugh until you can't stop screaming. Laugh until your guts bleed. Keep fucking laughing, but always remember this: If you think it's
just a joke, then you'll never get the fucking punchline.
Coming into Discordianism to get your head straight is like crawling out onto the highway to learn how to walk. All that "chapel perilous" shit is emo garbage for waterheads and whiners. If you're a FREAK and a MUTANT and a MONSTER, then YOU ALREADY KNOW WHO YOU ARE. If you don't know who or what you are, then you are probably better off in counseling.
Or not. It's all the same to me if you're partying in the club car, or standing on the tracks.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 07:40:12 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 07:37:38 PM
"subhuman foreign whiners" you say... hm... to stupid to answer. I belived that Discordianism was a "superior" religion for clever people. Now im know that stupidity is the principal error of human being. The problem is that you dont know that we, ALL, are stupids and then whiners too. You think... what? you think? If you could speak spanish, i could loling hard with you but you cant :cry:
Sorry, we Americans only speak the language GOD gave to us. We leave the monkey-jabbering for you offshore types.
I am impressed, though. You speak English almost as if you actually understand what you're saying. The more clever dolphins can give that illusion as well, or so I hear.
I'm pretty sure that if I can barely tell whether or not you're being serious here, there's no way someone who isn't a native English speaker is going to pick up on the potential sarcasm/intentionally over-the-top humor. Not telling you what to do or say, just pointing out that this sort of response, if misinterpreted, is unlikely to make non-English speaking discordians look favorably on us or even bother to take the time to figure out what we're all about here. It would be a shame if we ended up alienating a huge percentage of the world's potential bipeds just because we can't adjust or tone down our particular brand of humorous assholishness long enough for them to understand WHY we're like that.
I know that if I went to a mostly spanish-speaking discordian forum and tried to join the dialogue only to be told that I was a subhuman foreigner that didn't speak god's intended language, I might not be able to understand the underlying nuance in a language not my own, and probably wouldn't bother sticking around long enough to figure it out.
Just sayin'.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 07:53:13 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 07:48:08 PM
Hahaha, you funny too my friend.
Well, that's the whole trick behind Discordianism, isn't it? Laugh until you can't stop screaming. Laugh until your guts bleed. Keep fucking laughing, but always remember this: If you think it's just a joke, then you'll never get the fucking punchline.
Coming into Discordianism to get your head straight is like crawling out onto the highway to learn how to walk. All that "chapel perilous" shit is emo garbage for waterheads and whiners. If you're a FREAK and a MUTANT and a MONSTER, then YOU ALREADY KNOW WHO YOU ARE. If you don't know who or what you are, then you are probably better off in counseling.
Or not. It's all the same to me if you're partying in the club car, or standing on the tracks.
Only a few words:
The use of E-Prime cancel your curse.
Chapel Perilous is real, and is as real as the ego or your mother.
(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/are-you-wizard-meme.jpg)
Believe me, is real. And you have your reality tunnel and i have my reality tunnel. Dont worry, be happy. Ok?
That picture makes me laugh so hard. :lulz:
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 14, 2011, 07:59:23 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 07:40:12 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 07:37:38 PM
"subhuman foreign whiners" you say... hm... to stupid to answer. I belived that Discordianism was a "superior" religion for clever people. Now im know that stupidity is the principal error of human being. The problem is that you dont know that we, ALL, are stupids and then whiners too. You think... what? you think? If you could speak spanish, i could loling hard with you but you cant :cry:
Sorry, we Americans only speak the language GOD gave to us. We leave the monkey-jabbering for you offshore types.
I am impressed, though. You speak English almost as if you actually understand what you're saying. The more clever dolphins can give that illusion as well, or so I hear.
I'm pretty sure that if I can barely tell whether or not you're being serious here, there's no way someone who isn't a native English speaker is going to pick up on the potential sarcasm/intentionally over-the-top humor. Not telling you what to do or say, just pointing out that this sort of response, if misinterpreted, is unlikely to make non-English speaking discordians look favorably on us or even bother to take the time to figure out what we're all about here. It would be a shame if we ended up alienating a huge percentage of the world's potential bipeds just because we can't adjust or tone down our particular brand of humorous assholishness long enough for them to understand WHY we're like that.
I know that if I went to a mostly spanish-speaking discordian forum and tried to join the dialogue only to be told that I was a subhuman foreigner that didn't speak god's intended language, I might not be able to understand the underlying nuance in a language not my own, and probably wouldn't bother sticking around long enough to figure it out.
Just sayin'.
TRUTH. I confuse, i dont know if "The Good Reverend Roger" is kidding, or, if he is serious.
I think he has a lot of anger.
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 08:09:47 PM
I think he has a lot of anger.
That, at least, is 169% true.
Khore, TGRR is probably the all-time world champion of assholishness (and I say that as a measure of respect and admiration) but he is the furthest thing from a bigot or a xenophobe.
:notnice:
True enough, but that's hardly a reason to run off people who want to be part of this place without giving them any time at all to understand how we roll.
I mean, if we're only interested in people who already get it immediately upon arriving here then we're pretty much fucked.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 14, 2011, 08:22:01 PM
Khore, TGRR is probably the all-time world champion of assholishness (and I say that as a measure of respect and admiration) but he is the furthest thing from a bigot or a xenophobe.
Thanks for the info. As i guess, he is only "joking" hehe
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 14, 2011, 08:30:36 PM
True enough, but that's hardly a reason to run off people who want to be part of this place without giving them any time at all to understand how we roll.
I mean, if we're only interested in people who already get it immediately upon arriving here then we're pretty much fucked.
I've been waiting for the "you aren't being nice" moment all morning.
Here's the thing; this entire forum consists 99% of people calling each other on their shit.
If someone shows up full of shit, and isn't called on it or can't handle being called on it, how does anyone benefit?
If this guy can stick it out long enough to become a regular, he's probably someone people here want to know. If not... well, there's totse2.
Yes, and we should not take into account AT ALL that he is trying to communicate with us in a language not his own when we load that language up with subtle nuance that is almost certain to go over the head of a non-native speaker.
Fuck it, I move that we just change the name of this place to NigelAndRoger.com and focus on being the biggest pricks we can possibly be, all the time, no matter what the circumstances.
Anything else would be showing weakness.
Let's all chill a moment.
Everyone has a good point; Nigel is right that he was kind of full of shit (he was also being a dick at one point, from what I saw), Roger was being himself which how can that be a wrong? And ECH is right that he's trying to communicate in a second language, which he doesn't seem to have a grasp on like, say, Trip does.
Everyone be cool.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 14, 2011, 08:40:07 PM
Yes, and we should not take into account AT ALL that he is trying to communicate with us in a language not his own when we load that language up with subtle nuance that is almost certain to go over the head of a non-native speaker.
Fuck it, I move that we just change the name of this place to NigelAndRoger.com and focus on being the biggest pricks we can possibly be, all the time, no matter what the circumstances.
Anything else would be showing weakness.
Butthurt much?
IM MAD BRO
And yeah, actually, I am a little butthurt that someplace I'm as invested in as this one seems to be turning into a more intellectual version of places like totse2.
Go on, tell me to GET TUFF. :lulz:
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 14, 2011, 08:47:22 PM
Let's all chill a moment.
Everyone has a good point; Nigel is right that he was kind of full of shit (he was also being a dick at one point, from what I saw), Roger was being himself which how can that be a wrong? And ECH is right that he's trying to communicate in a second language, which he doesn't seem to have a grasp on like, say, Trip does.
Everyone be cool.
Hey now, I was very polite when I asked him to post it in English. Mi español es terrible.
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 14, 2011, 08:22:01 PM
Khore, TGRR is probably the all-time world champion of assholishness (and I say that as a measure of respect and admiration) but he is the furthest thing from a bigot or a xenophobe.
Thanks for the info. As i guess, he is only "joking" hehe
I am a bad, bad monkey and I never know when to quit. I get told that there's limits and shit, but I never really believe it until I'm having the shit beaten out of me by angy transvestites behind the truck stop. Why do I do these terrible things?
Because Nigel makes me do them. She's a VERY RUDE woman, and is in fact our Dark Empress.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 14, 2011, 08:40:07 PM
Yes, and we should not take into account AT ALL that he is trying to communicate with us in a language not his own when we load that language up with subtle nuance that is almost certain to go over the head of a non-native speaker.
Fuck it, I move that we just change the name of this place to NigelAndRoger.com and focus on being the biggest pricks we can possibly be, all the time, no matter what the circumstances.
Anything else would be showing weakness.
I knew I was being a dick when I wrote all that shit.
It's a weakness I have. God gave me a pointed stick, and a planet full of primates. Fortunately, Khore seems to be smarter than your average biped, and understood that I was pulling his leg to see if there were bells attached.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 14, 2011, 08:18:21 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 08:09:47 PM
I think he has a lot of anger.
That, at least, is 169% true.
Isn't.
In Canada, I am revered as a figure of serenity and mild-mannered behavior.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 14, 2011, 08:57:29 PM
And yeah, actually, I am a little butthurt that someplace I'm as invested in as this one seems to be turning into a more intellectual version of places like totse2.
Go on, tell me to GET TUFF. :lulz:
Um..."Apple Talk".
If you post content in OKM, it's going to be handled differently than it is here. I post most of my content in Apple Talk because I WANT it to be given The Treatment. This can work out well (Nessies), middling (the part v's), or abysmally (Babylon Horuv posts in it).
Different places for different things, right? Apple Talk is and has always been the sewer of PD. It's for rolling around in with your pants around your ankles, consequences be damned. You may notice that 99% of my assholery takes place either here or in the subforum that shall not be named (the horrible shit right above this one). I limit myself in the rest of the board, but this right here is my mosh pit. Pretty sure Nigel sees it the same way, but I'm not here to put words in her mouth.
Hey, wait.
Did I just get called a prick?
:?
I'm just a really bad person.
It is proved by my willingness to laugh when someone says something funny.
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 10:21:29 PM
I'm just a really bad person.
It is proved by my willingness to laugh when someone says something funny.
By that standard, I'm Idi Amin. :lulz:
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 05:34:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 03:54:58 PM
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 03:44:30 PM
TS;DR
I almost ate the Fnords.
Ohhh...I didn't know you were a pinealist. You should have said so.
Now that i know what a pinealist should be, i say fnord because it was like a fnord, well, if you dont know what a fnord "is" please shut up and stop saying that i am a "pinealist" when indeed you dont know what "is" a fnord or the bizarre experience of staying in the Chapel. Ok? Maybe RAW was saying fnord only to describe this bizarre experiencie of staying in nowhere and feeling totally amused and like if you were to die. This is my interpretation. You have your interpretation. No problem. All happy.
I mean, seriously. :lulz: And then Roger was supposed to just let this go and not make fun of it?
He wasn't even mean.
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 10:23:54 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 05:34:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 14, 2011, 03:52:26 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 03:44:30 PM
TS;DR
I almost ate the Fnords.
Ohhh...I didn't know you were a pinealist. You should have said so.
Now that i know what a pinealist should be, i say fnord because it was like a fnord, well, if you dont know what a fnord "is" please shut up and stop saying that i am a "pinealist" when indeed you dont know what "is" a fnord or the bizarre experience of staying in the Chapel. Ok? Maybe RAW was saying fnord only to describe this bizarre experiencie of staying in nowhere and feeling totally amused and like if you were to die. This is my interpretation. You have your interpretation. No problem. All happy.
I mean, seriously. :lulz: And then Roger was supposed to just let this go and not make fun of it?
He wasn't even mean.
I was possessed by the spirit of John Lennon. Arguably, I cannot be held responsible in any case.
Is it just me, or is the board fucking up every few minutes?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 10:27:25 PM
Is it just me, or is the board fucking up every few minutes?
Oh the things that went thru my mind. :lulz:
In any event, yes, it is going wonky. It was fluttering and flashing a bit ago, I had 3 tabs open and this was the only page doing that so I don't know what's happening!!
We have offended the Gods with our lack of proper jackassery toward the new guy. :x
It's all going to end in tears. I just know it.
We are bad people who are driving away the new blood.
Which is funny considering that it was only about a week ago that some of us here were asking everyone to give the totse kids a break to see if they could maybe straighten up. But hey, bouncing John Lennon riffs off the Spanish dude who told you to shut up because you don't understand "fnord" is clearly A Very Bad Thing.
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 10:40:38 PM
We are bad people who are driving away the new blood.
Which is funny considering that it was only about a week ago that some of us here were asking everyone to give the totse kids a break to see if they could maybe straighten up. But hey, bouncing John Lennon riffs off the Spanish dude who told you to shut up because you don't understand "fnord" is clearly A Very Bad Thing.
I ain't even mad. :lulz:
I am used to being the bad guy, even to my friends. It's kind of like being Ming the Merciless at his family reunion, right?
And if I was a new user on this board and I saw some horrible shit like I wrote in this thread, I'd assume that the author was either A) a slack-jawed bigot, or B) taking the piss. I'd assume B until A was proven. Hell, I thought for quite a while that Fang was kidding about his racist shit, yeah? Anyway, the correct response for A is a nuke of scorn and derision, and the correct response for B is buckle up for the ride. Khore seemed to be wavering between the two, but certainly didn't turn into a big crybaby or anything.
The jury is still out, but it's looking good. The only problem I have is that I just saw the "can we have a Spanish board" bit on another forum, and I'm thinking we have a fiendishly clever troll on our hands, like poptart was in his heyday.
Actually, I was just trying to point out that in general, it might not serve our purposes as well as we'd like to say things like that to non-native speakers until we're reasonably sure they'll get the joke. That Khore got the joke pretty quickly does not negate the point.
It's entirely possible, however, that I'm the only one who's willing to tone it down for a few posts in order to bring the rest of the world into the fold.
No really you guys continue.
I'm sure yet another rehash of the TGGR show is more interesting that whatever the new guy had to say.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 14, 2011, 11:18:20 PM
Actually, I was just trying to point out that in general, it might not serve our purposes as well as we'd like to say things like that to non-native speakers until we're reasonably sure they'll get the joke. That Khore got the joke pretty quickly does not negate the point.
It's entirely possible, however, that I'm the only one who's willing to tone it down for a few posts in order to bring the rest of the world into the fold.
Waffle Iron caught on right away, too.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 14, 2011, 11:33:09 PM
No really you guys continue.
I'm sure yet another rehash of the TGGR show is more interesting that whatever the new guy had to say.
Ah.
So I should basically stay out of anyone elses' threads.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 14, 2011, 11:33:09 PM
No really you guys continue.
I'm sure yet another rehash of the TGGR show is more interesting that whatever the new guy had to say.
Intense personalities (there are many here) =/= (insert name) show.
Just saying.
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 15, 2011, 12:06:07 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 14, 2011, 11:33:09 PM
No really you guys continue.
I'm sure yet another rehash of the TGGR show is more interesting that whatever the new guy had to say.
Intense personalities (there are many here) =/= (insert name) show.
Just saying.
Thank you for saying that.
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 15, 2011, 12:06:07 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 14, 2011, 11:33:09 PM
No really you guys continue.
I'm sure yet another rehash of the TGGR show is more interesting that whatever the new guy had to say.
Intense personalities (there are many here) =/= (insert name) show.
Just saying.
Naw. I'm the Bad Guy. I control you all with my fiendish mind lasers. Dance for me!
DANCE, I SAID!
:hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 11:49:57 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 14, 2011, 11:18:20 PM
Actually, I was just trying to point out that in general, it might not serve our purposes as well as we'd like to say things like that to non-native speakers until we're reasonably sure they'll get the joke. That Khore got the joke pretty quickly does not negate the point.
It's entirely possible, however, that I'm the only one who's willing to tone it down for a few posts in order to bring the rest of the world into the fold.
Waffle Iron caught on right away, too.
Still doesn't negate the point, unless we're only interested in keeping posters who already get it before they show up here. I'm not trying to bust your balls or call you a bad guy, I thought the shit you posted in that thread was fucking hilarious, I just think it's worth making the adjustment in the name of "expanding our brand", so to speak.
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 15, 2011, 12:06:07 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 14, 2011, 11:33:09 PM
No really you guys continue.
I'm sure yet another rehash of the TGGR show is more interesting that whatever the new guy had to say.
Intense personalities (there are many here) =/= (insert name) show.
Just saying.
Wait, wait, wait... we can have our own shows? Damn, I want a Zero Show. Triple Zero can be in it too. We can call it the Quadruple Zero show. It should be entirely in binary, except all the ones will be changed to zeroes. It'll be awesome!
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 14, 2011, 11:33:09 PM
No really you guys continue.
I'm sure yet another rehash of the TGGR show is more interesting that whatever the new guy had to say.
It makes perfect sense to shit all over one of the most prolific and interesting content-posters because his humor might be offputting to the new guy.
Who, it appears, has been determined to be too retarded to pick up on blatant over the top humor.
Despite the fact that he seems to have already gotten the joke.
But by all means, do go on.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 15, 2011, 12:11:05 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 11:49:57 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 14, 2011, 11:18:20 PM
Actually, I was just trying to point out that in general, it might not serve our purposes as well as we'd like to say things like that to non-native speakers until we're reasonably sure they'll get the joke. That Khore got the joke pretty quickly does not negate the point.
It's entirely possible, however, that I'm the only one who's willing to tone it down for a few posts in order to bring the rest of the world into the fold.
Waffle Iron caught on right away, too.
Still doesn't negate the point, unless we're only interested in keeping posters who already get it before they show up here. I'm not trying to bust your balls or call you a bad guy, I thought the shit you posted in that thread was fucking hilarious, I just think it's worth making the adjustment in the name of "expanding our brand", so to speak.
Well, as I said earlier, there are really only two ways to interpret the way I was acting, and he chose to sit on the fence
but respond appropriately to both ways.
I'm putting this in the win column.
But I see your point...To a degree. I'd prefer to see members who would react to my shit by either laughing or running it back at me. On the other hand, there are several long-time posters that - if exposed to this sort of shit on their arrival - would not have hung around long enough to figure things out.
I shall think on this. But I'm going to do it in a spiraling frenzy of benzo & caffeine abuse, so don't get your hopes up too far. :lulz:
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 15, 2011, 12:06:07 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 14, 2011, 11:33:09 PM
No really you guys continue.
I'm sure yet another rehash of the TGGR show is more interesting that whatever the new guy had to say.
Intense personalities (there are many here) =/= (insert name) show.
Just saying.
Not that I am agreeing but I don't think thats what Dingo meant.
Take a look at the first five pages of the thread and count how many different people were posting.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 12:15:41 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 15, 2011, 12:11:05 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 11:49:57 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 14, 2011, 11:18:20 PM
Actually, I was just trying to point out that in general, it might not serve our purposes as well as we'd like to say things like that to non-native speakers until we're reasonably sure they'll get the joke. That Khore got the joke pretty quickly does not negate the point.
It's entirely possible, however, that I'm the only one who's willing to tone it down for a few posts in order to bring the rest of the world into the fold.
Waffle Iron caught on right away, too.
Still doesn't negate the point, unless we're only interested in keeping posters who already get it before they show up here. I'm not trying to bust your balls or call you a bad guy, I thought the shit you posted in that thread was fucking hilarious, I just think it's worth making the adjustment in the name of "expanding our brand", so to speak.
Well, as I said earlier, there are really only two ways to interpret the way I was acting, and he chose to sit on the fence but respond appropriately to both ways.
I'm putting this in the win column.
But I see your point...To a degree. I'd prefer to see members who would react to my shit by either laughing or running it back at me. On the other hand, there are several long-time posters that - if exposed to this sort of shit on their arrival - would not have hung around long enough to figure things out.
I shall think on this. But I'm going to do it in a spiraling frenzy of benzo & caffeine abuse, so don't get your hopes up too far. :lulz:
I eagerly await the results of THAT. :lulz:
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 15, 2011, 12:19:47 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 12:15:41 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 15, 2011, 12:11:05 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 11:49:57 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 14, 2011, 11:18:20 PM
Actually, I was just trying to point out that in general, it might not serve our purposes as well as we'd like to say things like that to non-native speakers until we're reasonably sure they'll get the joke. That Khore got the joke pretty quickly does not negate the point.
It's entirely possible, however, that I'm the only one who's willing to tone it down for a few posts in order to bring the rest of the world into the fold.
Waffle Iron caught on right away, too.
Still doesn't negate the point, unless we're only interested in keeping posters who already get it before they show up here. I'm not trying to bust your balls or call you a bad guy, I thought the shit you posted in that thread was fucking hilarious, I just think it's worth making the adjustment in the name of "expanding our brand", so to speak.
Well, as I said earlier, there are really only two ways to interpret the way I was acting, and he chose to sit on the fence but respond appropriately to both ways.
I'm putting this in the win column.
But I see your point...To a degree. I'd prefer to see members who would react to my shit by either laughing or running it back at me. On the other hand, there are several long-time posters that - if exposed to this sort of shit on their arrival - would not have hung around long enough to figure things out.
I shall think on this. But I'm going to do it in a spiraling frenzy of benzo & caffeine abuse, so don't get your hopes up too far. :lulz:
I eagerly await the results of THAT. :lulz:
Well, you'll apparently have to wait for 5 pages.
TGRR,
Allowing the pressure to equalize. Or words to that effect.
:popcorn:
Quote from: Faust on December 15, 2011, 12:18:24 AM
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 15, 2011, 12:06:07 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 14, 2011, 11:33:09 PM
No really you guys continue.
I'm sure yet another rehash of the TGGR show is more interesting that whatever the new guy had to say.
Intense personalities (there are many here) =/= (insert name) show.
Just saying.
Not that I am agreeing but I don't think thats what Dingo meant.
Take a look at the first five pages of the thread and count how many different people were posting.
Thank you. Faust is correct. I was interested in what Khore had to say, not threadjacks and hazing.
Of course the predictable response took place, Roger went all Scarface "look out, there's a real bad guy coming through, look at the bad guy" and I was accused of trying to pull shit on Roger for an ego boost. Or something. Whatever.
After I bust out my wiki fu I'll comment on topic because I find Chapel Perilous interesting though I don't understand it fully.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 15, 2011, 01:49:27 AM
Quote from: Faust on December 15, 2011, 12:18:24 AM
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 15, 2011, 12:06:07 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 14, 2011, 11:33:09 PM
No really you guys continue.
I'm sure yet another rehash of the TGGR show is more interesting that whatever the new guy had to say.
Intense personalities (there are many here) =/= (insert name) show.
Just saying.
Not that I am agreeing but I don't think thats what Dingo meant.
Take a look at the first five pages of the thread and count how many different people were posting.
Thank you. Faust is correct. I was interested in what Khore had to say, not threadjacks and hazing.
Of course the predictable response took place, Roger went all Scarface "look out, there's a real bad guy coming through, look at the bad guy" and I was accused of trying to pull shit on Roger for an ego boost. Or something. Whatever.
After I bust out my wiki fu I'll comment on topic because I find Chapel Perilous interesting though I don't understand it fully.
And then Dingo went all interbutts paladin and saved the day.
:lulz:
ETA: On Faust's hint, I was going to leave this thread til page 12, but now I am compelled - COMPELLED, I SAY - to "go all Scarface".
Fucking azzhole! I TOLD joo no killing kids! Now look at you!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 01:57:05 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 15, 2011, 01:49:27 AM
Quote from: Faust on December 15, 2011, 12:18:24 AM
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 15, 2011, 12:06:07 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 14, 2011, 11:33:09 PM
No really you guys continue.
I'm sure yet another rehash of the TGGR show is more interesting that whatever the new guy had to say.
Intense personalities (there are many here) =/= (insert name) show.
Just saying.
Not that I am agreeing but I don't think thats what Dingo meant.
Take a look at the first five pages of the thread and count how many different people were posting.
Thank you. Faust is correct. I was interested in what Khore had to say, not threadjacks and hazing.
Of course the predictable response took place, Roger went all Scarface "look out, there's a real bad guy coming through, look at the bad guy" and I was accused of trying to pull shit on Roger for an ego boost. Or something. Whatever.
After I bust out my wiki fu I'll comment on topic because I find Chapel Perilous interesting though I don't understand it fully.
And then Dingo went all interbutts paladin and saved the day.
:lulz:
ETA: On Faust's hint, I was going to leave this thread til page 12, but now I am compelled - COMPELLED, I SAY - to "go all Scarface".
Fucking azzhole! I TOLD joo no killing kids! Now look at you!
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/030/403/YouMad.jpg?1260647699)
I believe it's a "disease" called super sanity.
So sane, that it seems crazy.
Some people get it from real life experiences.
You could be next. Beware. :wink:
Some americans are like kids, some discordians are stupids. A lot are wise or fools. Some are intelligent. We can find this situation in every site.
Hacer gracias de un inglés "analfabeto" no tiene mucha gracia a menos que sepas que tiene gracia, yo no lo se. Hay tantas cosas que ignoro que hacen que esta situación en cierto sentido tenga gracia y en otro no.
Ahora voy a lo importante, si yo interpreto Fnord como agente o entidad que me hace ingresar en la Capilla Peligrosa, entonces son reales. Si yo lo interpreto así, entonces esos hechos son reales. Y tú no eres nadie para decir que es mentira o "blabla" de ello sin ningún fundamento. Esto es real tío (the Chapel Perilous).
Any questions will be answered.
Quote from: Reeducation on December 15, 2011, 10:52:36 AM
Some people get it from real life experiences.
All experiencies are real. Solo que unas son más intensas que otras. ¿Qué quieres decirme realmente?
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 11:11:25 AM
Quote from: Reeducation on December 15, 2011, 10:52:36 AM
Some people get it from real life experiences.
All experiencies are real. Solo que unas son más intensas que otras. ¿Qué quieres decirme realmente?
We have an allegory here that explains that, called "The Barstool".
Short form: You can craft the experience of a barstool in your mind, noting details of light on fabric verus plastic versus metal, even providing sense of smell or touch to your mental barstool. But there's simply one thing I can do with the "real" barstool that you can't do with your "mentally real" barstool, which is pick it up and beat you over the head with it.
Real is not binary (which you reflexively propose the opposite to a perceived "not all things are real" message).
And while all things 'are' interconnected, all things 'are not' equally interconnected.
For further illumination, consult the seven names of SRI SYADASTI.
Quote from: Telarus on December 15, 2011, 11:37:35 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 11:11:25 AM
Quote from: Reeducation on December 15, 2011, 10:52:36 AM
Some people get it from real life experiences.
All experiencies are real. Solo que unas son más intensas que otras. ¿Qué quieres decirme realmente?
We have an allegory here that explains that, called "The Barstool".
Short form: You can craft the experience of a barstool in your mind, noting details of light on fabric verus plastic versus metal, even providing sense of smell or touch to your mental barstool. But there's simply one thing I can do with the "real" barstool that you can't do with your "mentally real" barstool, which is pick it up and beat you over the head with it.
Real is not binary (which you reflexively propose the opposite to a perceived "not all things are real" message).
And while all things 'are' interconnected, all things 'are not' equally interconnected.
For further illumination, consult the seven names of SRI SYADASTI.
Thanks for the information, i will meditate.
If you don't mind crawling through Sanskrit very roughly translated into English, I cover the Seven Names of Sri Syadasti here:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=18260.0
It's also good to remember that there's only one realm (code, language, imagination) where Symbols are "Things, in and of themselves" (and not just references pointing to things). That we can experience both realms at once (a 'semantically rich environment') does not mean we should confuse the two.
Quote from: Telarus on December 15, 2011, 11:47:54 AM
If you don't mind crawling through Sanskrit very roughly translated into English, I cover the Seven Names of Sri Syadasti here:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=18260.0
It's also good to remember that there's only one realm (code, language, imagination) where Symbols are "Things, in and of themselves" (and not just references pointing to things). That we can experience both realms at once (a 'semantically rich environment') does not mean we should confuse the two.
Yes, you have reason.
I wish I could understand The Good Reverend Roger, but my English is bad.
And im very crazy too.
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 12:02:50 PM
Quote from: Telarus on December 15, 2011, 11:47:54 AM
If you don't mind crawling through Sanskrit very roughly translated into English, I cover the Seven Names of Sri Syadasti here:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=18260.0
It's also good to remember that there's only one realm (code, language, imagination) where Symbols are "Things, in and of themselves" (and not just references pointing to things). That we can experience both realms at once (a 'semantically rich environment') does not mean we should confuse the two.
Yes, you have reason.
I wish I could understand The Good Reverend Roger, but my English is bad.
And im very crazy too.
My english is just fine, and I occasionally don't understand him, either. And, then, sometimes, I get it, and it's all :horrormirth: time.
Your English is a lot better than my Spanish.
Quote from: Luna on December 15, 2011, 12:12:01 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 12:02:50 PM
Quote from: Telarus on December 15, 2011, 11:47:54 AM
If you don't mind crawling through Sanskrit very roughly translated into English, I cover the Seven Names of Sri Syadasti here:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=18260.0
It's also good to remember that there's only one realm (code, language, imagination) where Symbols are "Things, in and of themselves" (and not just references pointing to things). That we can experience both realms at once (a 'semantically rich environment') does not mean we should confuse the two.
Yes, you have reason.
I wish I could understand The Good Reverend Roger, but my English is bad.
And im very crazy too.
My english is just fine, and I occasionally don't understand him, either. And, then, sometimes, I get it, and it's all :horrormirth: time.
Your English is a lot better than my Spanish.
Thanks. Google Translate helps me.
For example, The Good Reverend Roger says before thought a methafor that im the snot of the body and blabla, but, he doesnt know me, so he is crazy or he is only stupid, or i cant understand him or his jokes :horrormirth:
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 15, 2011, 01:49:27 AM
Quote from: Faust on December 15, 2011, 12:18:24 AM
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 15, 2011, 12:06:07 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 14, 2011, 11:33:09 PM
No really you guys continue.
I'm sure yet another rehash of the TGGR show is more interesting that whatever the new guy had to say.
Intense personalities (there are many here) =/= (insert name) show.
Just saying.
Not that I am agreeing but I don't think thats what Dingo meant.
Take a look at the first five pages of the thread and count how many different people were posting.
Thank you. Faust is correct. I was interested in what Khore had to say, not threadjacks and hazing.
Of course the predictable response took place, Roger went all Scarface "look out, there's a real bad guy coming through, look at the bad guy" and I was accused of trying to pull shit on Roger for an ego boost. Or something. Whatever.
After I bust out my wiki fu I'll comment on topic because I find Chapel Perilous interesting though I don't understand it fully.
When your map of reality dont fit with the territory, then you are crazy, then you are in the chapel pelirious, totally lost.
Hi Khore! I'm curious if there are other Discordians where you live.
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 12:44:48 PM
When your map of reality dont fit with the territory, then you are crazy, then you are in the chapel pelirious, totally lost.
I don't quite agree.
some mental illness results in a map/territory conflict, but it stands to reason that
the map never fits the territory. There's always something missing. There's something thrown out, ignored, missed. Always. And Chapel Perilous is what happens when you finally realize that not only is your map flawed, you can write a new one from scratch.
But don't conflate that with mental illness. That's something entirely different.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 15, 2011, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 12:44:48 PM
When your map of reality dont fit with the territory, then you are crazy, then you are in the chapel pelirious, totally lost.
I don't quite agree. some mental illness results in a map/territory conflict, but it stands to reason that the map never fits the territory. There's always something missing. There's something thrown out, ignored, missed. Always. And Chapel Perilous is what happens when you finally realize that not only is your map flawed, you can write a new one from scratch.
But don't conflate that with mental illness. That's something entirely different.
There's also the fact that many times mental illness is a hardware not a software issue.
Yup.
Khore, this might help a bit: http://www.blackironprison.com/index.php?title=BIP_Table_Of_Contents
Quote from: Cramulus on December 15, 2011, 02:19:18 PM
Hi Khore! I'm curious if there are other Discordians where you live.
No, there are currently no discordians in my neighborhood and I doubt that they exist in my city, as far as I know i am the only one. Im sad i have two classes left for my own selfishness without regard to the subject.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 15, 2011, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 12:44:48 PM
When your map of reality dont fit with the territory, then you are crazy, then you are in the chapel pelirious, totally lost.
I don't quite agree. some mental illness results in a map/territory conflict, but it stands to reason that the map never fits the territory. There's always something missing. There's something thrown out, ignored, missed. Always. And Chapel Perilous is what happens when you finally realize that not only is your map flawed, you can write a new one from scratch.
But don't conflate that with mental illness. That's something entirely different.
You could be right, when i had the bad trip i was very stressed (because of girls). This activate some mechanism in the brain that converts experience in madness and i call this Chapel Perilous.
Quote from: Faust on December 15, 2011, 02:21:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 15, 2011, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 12:44:48 PM
When your map of reality dont fit with the territory, then you are crazy, then you are in the chapel pelirious, totally lost.
I don't quite agree. some mental illness results in a map/territory conflict, but it stands to reason that the map never fits the territory. There's always something missing. There's something thrown out, ignored, missed. Always. And Chapel Perilous is what happens when you finally realize that not only is your map flawed, you can write a new one from scratch.
But don't conflate that with mental illness. That's something entirely different.
There's also the fact that many times mental illness is a hardware not a software issue.
It could be hardware and software combined too... i dont know. But that mad state of mind, it's like dying and realizing that something tangible is going with you, maybe your soul, and then you become "insane".
Ok, it's looking like we're coming at this from different definitions, so I'm gonna drop it for now.
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 12:40:33 PM
For example, The Good Reverend Roger says before thought a methafor that im the snot of the body and blabla, but, he doesnt know me, so he is crazy or he is only stupid, or i cant understand him or his jokes :horrormirth:
False dilemma.
I could also just be an asshole. :lulz:
Quote from: Luna on December 15, 2011, 12:12:01 PM
My english is just fine, and I occasionally don't understand him, either.
I am a Holy Man™. We are not required to make sense to those with factory-condition brains.
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 01:57:05 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 15, 2011, 01:49:27 AM
Quote from: Faust on December 15, 2011, 12:18:24 AM
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 15, 2011, 12:06:07 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 14, 2011, 11:33:09 PM
No really you guys continue.
I'm sure yet another rehash of the TGGR show is more interesting that whatever the new guy had to say.
Intense personalities (there are many here) =/= (insert name) show.
Just saying.
Not that I am agreeing but I don't think thats what Dingo meant.
Take a look at the first five pages of the thread and count how many different people were posting.
Thank you. Faust is correct. I was interested in what Khore had to say, not threadjacks and hazing.
Of course the predictable response took place, Roger went all Scarface "look out, there's a real bad guy coming through, look at the bad guy" and I was accused of trying to pull shit on Roger for an ego boost. Or something. Whatever.
After I bust out my wiki fu I'll comment on topic because I find Chapel Perilous interesting though I don't understand it fully.
And then Dingo went all interbutts paladin and saved the day.
:lulz:
ETA: On Faust's hint, I was going to leave this thread til page 12, but now I am compelled - COMPELLED, I SAY - to "go all Scarface".
Fucking azzhole! I TOLD joo no killing kids! Now look at you!
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/030/403/YouMad.jpg?1260647699)
Oh, dear. :lol:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 03:17:43 PM
Quote from: Luna on December 15, 2011, 12:12:01 PM
My english is just fine, and I occasionally don't understand him, either.
I am a Holy Man™. We are not required to make sense to those with factory-condition brains.
I didn't say this was a bad thing. The day I understand everything, I'll be done learning... At that point, somebody deal with the meat that's left, I'll be done with it.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 03:16:25 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 12:40:33 PM
For example, The Good Reverend Roger says before thought a methafor that im the snot of the body and blabla, but, he doesnt know me, so he is crazy or he is only stupid, or i cant understand him or his jokes :horrormirth:
False dilemma.
I could also just be an asshole. :lulz:
Yeah. Live is to share.
...
I´m an asshole.
Fuck, I'm taking advantage of everything and that makes me feel sad. I do not want that to survive or to have a smartphone or everything, i want to help others in what i know, and that other help me in questions that i dont know. Cooperation. It's a feeling that I have rarely, knowing I've done something wrong, I have failed not only to me, but to my family and my friends too. And that feeling lasts and does not leave. I made a mistake, I deserve punishment. That punishment will be running out smartphone or anything else this Christmas. Fuck me and that's it.
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 03:40:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 03:16:25 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 12:40:33 PM
For example, The Good Reverend Roger says before thought a methafor that im the snot of the body and blabla, but, he doesnt know me, so he is crazy or he is only stupid, or i cant understand him or his jokes :horrormirth:
False dilemma.
I could also just be an asshole. :lulz:
Yeah. Live is to share.
...
I´m an asshole.
Fuck, I'm taking advantage of everything and that makes me feel sad. I do not want that to survive or to have a smartphone or everything, i want to help others in what i know, and that other help me in questions that i dont know. Cooperation. It's a feeling that I have rarely, knowing I've done something wrong, I have failed not only to me, but to my family and my friends too. And that feeling lasts and does not leave. I made a mistake, I deserve punishment. That punishment will be running out smartphone or anything else this Christmas. Fuck me and that's it.
This is brilliant.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 03:45:21 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 03:40:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 03:16:25 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 12:40:33 PM
For example, The Good Reverend Roger says before thought a methafor that im the snot of the body and blabla, but, he doesnt know me, so he is crazy or he is only stupid, or i cant understand him or his jokes :horrormirth:
False dilemma.
I could also just be an asshole. :lulz:
Yeah. Live is to share.
...
I´m an asshole.
Fuck, I'm taking advantage of everything and that makes me feel sad. I do not want that to survive or to have a smartphone or everything, i want to help others in what i know, and that other help me in questions that i dont know. Cooperation. It's a feeling that I have rarely, knowing I've done something wrong, I have failed not only to me, but to my family and my friends too. And that feeling lasts and does not leave. I made a mistake, I deserve punishment. That punishment will be running out smartphone or anything else this Christmas. Fuck me and that's it.
This is brilliant.
:mittens: Best thing ever said by a foreign speaking troll, ever, in the history of all of this week!
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 15, 2011, 03:47:27 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 03:45:21 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 03:40:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 03:16:25 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 12:40:33 PM
For example, The Good Reverend Roger says before thought a methafor that im the snot of the body and blabla, but, he doesnt know me, so he is crazy or he is only stupid, or i cant understand him or his jokes :horrormirth:
False dilemma.
I could also just be an asshole. :lulz:
Yeah. Live is to share.
...
I´m an asshole.
Fuck, I'm taking advantage of everything and that makes me feel sad. I do not want that to survive or to have a smartphone or everything, i want to help others in what i know, and that other help me in questions that i dont know. Cooperation. It's a feeling that I have rarely, knowing I've done something wrong, I have failed not only to me, but to my family and my friends too. And that feeling lasts and does not leave. I made a mistake, I deserve punishment. That punishment will be running out smartphone or anything else this Christmas. Fuck me and that's it.
This is brilliant.
:mittens: Best thing ever said by a foreign speaking troll, ever, in the history of all of this week!
I'm studying his technique. I can use this shit over at the Newsweek forums.
Well done, but my technique is not a thing you can imitate but you can try. I'm not an imitator, but I'm also a liar (just to myself, but im not sure because it can be just an ilusion) and a truthsayer too. That´s what there is.
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
Well done, but my technique is not a thing you can imitate but you can try. I'm not an imitator, but I'm also a liar (just to myself, but im not sure because it can be just an ilusion) and a truthsayer too. That´s what there is.
:mittens:
This is awesome shit. I'm gonna try it out myself.
Well played, sir/madame.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 04:18:23 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
Well done, but my technique is not a thing you can imitate but you can try. I'm not an imitator, but I'm also a liar (just to myself, but im not sure because it can be just an ilusion) and a truthsayer too. That´s what there is.
:mittens:
This is awesome shit. I'm gonna try it out myself.
We were just talking about this last week!
Quote from: Nigel on December 15, 2011, 04:27:05 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 04:18:23 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
Well done, but my technique is not a thing you can imitate but you can try. I'm not an imitator, but I'm also a liar (just to myself, but im not sure because it can be just an ilusion) and a truthsayer too. That´s what there is.
:mittens:
This is awesome shit. I'm gonna try it out myself.
We were just talking about this last week!
Talking about what?
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 15, 2011, 04:27:05 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 04:18:23 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
Well done, but my technique is not a thing you can imitate but you can try. I'm not an imitator, but I'm also a liar (just to myself, but im not sure because it can be just an ilusion) and a truthsayer too. That´s what there is.
:mittens:
This is awesome shit. I'm gonna try it out myself.
We were just talking about this last week!
Talking about what?
Foreign language trolling.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 05:08:10 PM
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Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
Well done, but my technique is not a thing you can imitate but you can try. I'm not an imitator, but I'm also a liar (just to myself, but im not sure because it can be just an ilusion) and a truthsayer too. That´s what there is.
:mittens:
This is awesome shit. I'm gonna try it out myself.
We were just talking about this last week!
Talking about what?
Foreign language trolling.
Oh ok, puedo talk spaninglish si you quieres. Así también all we can learn español.
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 05:13:20 PM
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Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
Well done, but my technique is not a thing you can imitate but you can try. I'm not an imitator, but I'm also a liar (just to myself, but im not sure because it can be just an ilusion) and a truthsayer too. That´s what there is.
:mittens:
This is awesome shit. I'm gonna try it out myself.
We were just talking about this last week!
Talking about what?
Foreign language trolling.
Oh ok, puedo talk spaninglish si you quieres. Así también all we can learn español.
I do not wish to pollute my tongue.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 05:13:56 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 05:13:20 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 05:08:10 PM
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Quote from: Nigel on December 15, 2011, 04:27:05 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 04:18:23 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
Well done, but my technique is not a thing you can imitate but you can try. I'm not an imitator, but I'm also a liar (just to myself, but im not sure because it can be just an ilusion) and a truthsayer too. That´s what there is.
:mittens:
This is awesome shit. I'm gonna try it out myself.
We were just talking about this last week!
Talking about what?
Foreign language trolling.
Oh ok, puedo talk spaninglish si you quieres. Así también all we can learn español.
I do not wish to pollute my tongue.
Haces bien, yo tampoco desearía tener que ser invadido por su lengua.
Today is english, tomorrow will be... chinese. Remember.
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 05:13:56 PM
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 05:08:10 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 15, 2011, 04:27:05 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 04:18:23 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 15, 2011, 04:17:37 PM
Well done, but my technique is not a thing you can imitate but you can try. I'm not an imitator, but I'm also a liar (just to myself, but im not sure because it can be just an ilusion) and a truthsayer too. That´s what there is.
:mittens:
This is awesome shit. I'm gonna try it out myself.
We were just talking about this last week!
Talking about what?
Foreign language trolling.
Oh ok, puedo talk spaninglish si you quieres. Así también all we can learn español.
I do not wish to pollute my tongue.
Haces bien, yo tampoco desearía tener que ser invadido por su lengua.
Today is english, tomorrow will be... chinese. Remember.
No, tomorrow will be "grunts and clacks as we root around in the ruins for a juicy rat to eat."
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 15, 2011, 12:11:36 AM
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Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 14, 2011, 11:33:09 PM
No really you guys continue.
I'm sure yet another rehash of the TGGR show is more interesting that whatever the new guy had to say.
Intense personalities (there are many here) =/= (insert name) show.
Just saying.
Wait, wait, wait... we can have our own shows? Damn, I want a Zero Show. Triple Zero can be in it too. We can call it the Quadruple Zero show. It should be entirely in binary, except all the ones will be changed to zeroes. It'll be awesome!
:lulz:
(still get confused now and then when I see your name quoted somewhere)
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 16, 2011, 06:13:20 PM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 15, 2011, 12:11:36 AM
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 15, 2011, 12:06:07 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 14, 2011, 11:33:09 PM
No really you guys continue.
I'm sure yet another rehash of the TGGR show is more interesting that whatever the new guy had to say.
Intense personalities (there are many here) =/= (insert name) show.
Just saying.
Wait, wait, wait... we can have our own shows? Damn, I want a Zero Show. Triple Zero can be in it too. We can call it the Quadruple Zero show. It should be entirely in binary, except all the ones will be changed to zeroes. It'll be awesome!
:lulz:
(still get confused now and then when I see your name quoted somewhere)
Hehe, yeah. I was thinking about changing it back.
Uno momento...
ETA: Er... looks like name changes are currently disabled. :lol:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 03:18:28 PM
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Oh, dear. :lol:
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Hey at least this one's been giving us much more than the Totse2 guys :)
Maybe it's the wrong topic, but whatever...
What's the difference between Chapel Perilous and schizophrenia?
Checking the various experiences from books and net sources, it seems the two processes share way too many similarities: they both have an elation phase, that quickly dissolves into a delusional state, and for both stares paranoiac symptoms are common( which can range from "they're controlling my thoughts
to "I hear a voice, order etc.")
Where the border lies between two states?
I see one difference - while in Chapel Perilous the person seems to retain some critical judgment about the situation, while the schizophrenic accepts the delusions without a back thought.
Also, is the Chapel Perilous a "Western" phenomenon or not? (I had never encountered Buddhist or Hindu accounts about spiritual states, and they do not have such dramatic reactions as the "Western" people. Maybe the I can e wrong, and this is why I am asking)
And another one: Is Chapel Perilous a part of every spiritual path, or is it the result of some mistake?
as I understand things,
schizophrenia is classified as a mental illness, it is the product of some abnormality about your circuitry
the chapel perilous is a mental state. A type of existential crisis.
though they're both a form of madness, you're talking about apples and oranges
Quote from: Slurrealist on December 19, 2011, 11:03:41 PM
And another one: Is Chapel Perilous a part of every spiritual path, or is it the result of some mistake?
I'd say neither
Some people end up in the chapel when they get too deep into the Chaos
But some people do go willingly into the Chapel -- like Khore here.
It is the power of beliefs and different knowledge what carries into deep abyss.
I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.
It's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but as is happening to you it really has not cure.
Quote from: Khore on December 20, 2011, 08:00:32 AM
It is the power of beliefs and different knowledge what carries into deep abyss.
I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.
It's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but as is happening to you it really has not cure.
In light of the fact that English is not your first language, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Could you rephrase this idea? It makes no sense to me.
Dado que el Inglés no es su lengua materna, que le dará el beneficio de la duda. ¿Podría reformular esta idea? No tiene ningún sentido para mí.
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 20, 2011, 11:26:14 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 20, 2011, 08:00:32 AM
It is the power of beliefs and different knowledge what carries into deep abyss.
I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.
It's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but as is happening to you it really has not cure.
In light of the fact that English is not your first language, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Could you rephrase this idea? It makes no sense to me.
Dado que el Inglés no es su lengua materna, que le dará el beneficio de la duda. ¿Podría reformular esta idea? No tiene ningún sentido para mí.
Is the power of the beliefs and the knowledge what takes you to the abyss.
I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.
It's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but when is happening to you it really has not cure.
Es el poder de las creencias y el conocimiento diferente el que te lleva al profundo abismo.
No se de donde viene la información, es simplemente un mindfuck.
Es como tener fiebre, y después da igual como lo llamen a eso, porque mientras te está pasando no tiene cura.
What kind of information/knowledge did you receive from the abyss?
Quote from: Reeducation on December 20, 2011, 08:23:29 PM
What kind of information/knowledge did you receive from the abyss?
... women are all whores who won't fuck him
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Quote from: Reeducation on December 20, 2011, 08:23:29 PM
What kind of information/knowledge did you receive from the abyss?
... women are all whores who won't fuck him
Ah, okay.
Quote from: Reeducation on December 20, 2011, 08:25:33 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 20, 2011, 08:24:41 PM
Quote from: Reeducation on December 20, 2011, 08:23:29 PM
What kind of information/knowledge did you receive from the abyss?
... women are all whores who won't fuck him
Ah, okay.
To be fair. IF he has been to that place then he's probably still confused and trying to make sense of it. Can take a few years. if that's the case he's prolly not the best person to answer that question. :lulz:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 20, 2011, 08:27:31 PM
Quote from: Reeducation on December 20, 2011, 08:25:33 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 20, 2011, 08:24:41 PM
Quote from: Reeducation on December 20, 2011, 08:23:29 PM
What kind of information/knowledge did you receive from the abyss?
... women are all whores who won't fuck him
Ah, okay.
To be fair. IF he has been to that place then he's probably still confused and trying to make sense of it. Can take a few years. if that's the case he's prolly not the best person to answer that question. :lulz:
There is also the possibility that he is, at this very moment, reading a book written by RAW and is actually quoting it as he goes on about his abyss/mindfuck.
Because that's basically what I did for a few times to my friends, when I first started to get into this wtfuckness.
Some of them were quite impressed.
It's a little harder here. :)
You can't kid a kidder :lulz:
Quote from: Khore on December 20, 2011, 12:25:30 PM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 20, 2011, 11:26:14 AM
Quote from: Khore on December 20, 2011, 08:00:32 AM
It is the power of beliefs and different knowledge what carries into deep abyss.
I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.
It's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but as is happening to you it really has not cure.
In light of the fact that English is not your first language, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Could you rephrase this idea? It makes no sense to me.
Dado que el Inglés no es su lengua materna, que le dará el beneficio de la duda. ¿Podría reformular esta idea? No tiene ningún sentido para mí.
Is the power of the beliefs and the knowledge what takes you to the abyss.
I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.
It's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but when is happening to you it really has not cure.
Es el poder de las creencias y el conocimiento diferente el que te lleva al profundo abismo.
No se de donde viene la información, es simplemente un mindfuck.
Es como tener fiebre, y después da igual como lo llamen a eso, porque mientras te está pasando no tiene cura.
That's not really the sort of rephrasing I was talking about. Express the concept you are trying to get across in different terms. At this point, it seems like you are simply throwing words out that make what your saying sound deep and profound. If you can't express it some other way, well.... then I can only assume that you don't understand what you are talking about either.
Eso no es realmente el tipo de reformulación que estaba hablando. Expresar el concepto que está tratando de conseguir a través de diferentes términos. En este punto, parece que simplemente está lanzando palabras que hacen lo que su sonido diciendo profundo. Si no se puede expresar de otra manera, así .... entonces sólo se puede asumir que usted no entiende lo que estamos hablando de cualquiera.
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I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.
I think what he means is that the
origins of an idea are not relevant in the determination of its usefulness or even its truth value.
QuoteIt's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but when is happening to you it really has not cure.
If whatever he experienced while he was in the abyss or wherever makes sense to him
now, then it doesn't really matter if he was having a schizophrenic hallucination or a mystical experience.
Of course, he hasn't yet explained what exactly were the contents of his mindfuck.
Maybe I'm just putting words in his mouth, but hey, Hermeneutics is fun!
Quote from: Lord Cataplanga on December 21, 2011, 01:43:15 AM
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I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.
I think what he means is that the origins of an idea are not relevant in the determination of its usefulness or even its truth value.
QuoteIt's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but when is happening to you it really has not cure.
If whatever he experienced while he was in the abyss or wherever makes sense to him now, then it doesn't really matter if he was having a schizophrenic hallucination or a mystical experience.
Of course, he hasn't yet explained what exactly were the contents of his mindfuck.
Maybe I'm just putting words in his mouth, but hey, Hermeneutics is fun!
Hmmm. I will reserve judgement until Khore elucidates.
He won't.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 02:01:55 AM
He won't.
Oh, I don't expect him to, LMNO. I expect him to bail like he did in the prostitution thread. But nevertheless...
Please stop treating me in a special way, I'm a little tired.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 02:01:55 AM
He won't.
Why not?
Quote from: Lord Cataplanga on December 21, 2011, 01:43:15 AM
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I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.
I think what he means is that the origins of an idea are not relevant in the determination of its usefulness or even its truth value.
QuoteIt's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but when is happening to you it really has not cure.
If whatever he experienced while he was in the abyss or wherever makes sense to him now, then it doesn't really matter if he was having a schizophrenic hallucination or a mystical experience.
Of course, he hasn't yet explained what exactly were the contents of his mindfuck.
Maybe I'm just putting words in his mouth, but hey, Hermeneutics is fun!
Exactly, and my mindfuck was pretty horrible, everything was a conspiracy, reality turned against me. My true sanity hanging by a thread. I fled from the hospital 2 times. Everything was to be in a separate reality created by my biggest fears.
Lemme guess, you read that off the back of a Hitchcock DVD, right?
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 21, 2011, 10:01:56 AM
Lemme guess, you read that off the back of a Hitchcock DVD, right?
No... :horrormirth:
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 09:56:00 AM
Please stop treating me in a special way, I'm a little tired.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 02:01:55 AM
He won't.
Why not?
Quote from: Lord Cataplanga on December 21, 2011, 01:43:15 AM
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I do not know where the information comes from, is simply a mindfuck.
I think what he means is that the origins of an idea are not relevant in the determination of its usefulness or even its truth value.
QuoteIt's like a fever, and then they can call it as they want but when is happening to you it really has not cure.
If whatever he experienced while he was in the abyss or wherever makes sense to him now, then it doesn't really matter if he was having a schizophrenic hallucination or a mystical experience.
Of course, he hasn't yet explained what exactly were the contents of his mindfuck.
Maybe I'm just putting words in his mouth, but hey, Hermeneutics is fun!
Exactly, and my mindfuck was pretty horrible, everything was a conspiracy, reality turned against me. My true sanity hanging by a thread. I fled from the hospital 2 times. Everything was to be in a separate reality created by my biggest fears.
Hogswallop. Pretentious drivel and meaningless buzzwords.
Mierda. Tonterías pretencioso y buzzwords (no sé el equivalente español) sin sentido.This is what i expected it to mean, but I wanted to be absolutely certain it wasn't just the language issue. What I'm going to say is this: you are trying way, way too hard. Everything you are saying is coming off as self-aggrandizing garbage. I'll grant, certainly, that I do not know you or know your experiences, but your use of esoteric and, frankly, pompous terminology suggests to me, and I'm sure to others here, that you are a self-important person, and regardless of the truth values of what you say your experiences are, many people here are simply going to ignore you.
The problems with your ideas are many. Let's use the example of a hallucination related to mental illness or a mystical experience. Both of these, for my money, are flawed places to put trust. In the former, you are relying on a state of mind that is by definition problematic and detached from reality. In the latter, the idea of a "mystical experience" is too vague and can mean anything from the previously discussed hallucination to a vivid acid trip, or any number of other things with varying degrees of association with objective reality. How this all relates to Chapel Perilous.... well, I suppose I should ask for clarification.
What point are you trying to get across with this statement?
Esto es lo que me esperaba que esto significa, pero yo quería estar absolutamente seguro de que no era sólo la cuestión del idioma. ¿Qué voy a decir es esto: usted está tratando de la manera, manera demasiado dura. Todo lo que estamos diciendo es que viene de auto-engrandecimiento de la basura. Voy a conceder, por cierto, que yo no te conozco ni sé de sus experiencias, pero el uso de esotéricos y, francamente, la terminología pomposa me hace pensar, y estoy seguro que a los demás aquí, que usted es una persona engreída , e independientemente de los valores de verdad de lo que usted dice sus experiencias son, muchas personas aquí son simplemente va a ignorar.
Los problemas con sus ideas son muchas. Usemos el ejemplo de una alucinación relacionada con una enfermedad mental o una experiencia mística. Ambos, en mi opinión, son los lugares defectuosos para depositar su confianza. En el primer caso, usted está confiando en un estado de ánimo que es, por definición, problemática y aleja de la realidad. En este último caso, la idea de una "experiencia mística" es demasiado vago y puede significar cualquier cosa, desde la alucinación anteriormente a un viaje de ácido vivos, o cualquier número de otras cosas, con distintos grados de asociación con la realidad objetiva. Cómo todo esto se relaciona con Chapel Perilous .... Bueno, supongo que debería pedir una aclaración.
¿Qué estás tratando de transmitir con esta afirmación? ^
Más Googlese de lo habitual, lo siento.
I try to say that the Chapel Perilous is real, and you can interpret it as you like, each one will think something different but in essence is the same general feeling. Some are after her schizophrenic, some not, some think they have had a mystical experience, every one will think differently... and will stay with certain beliefs, but what is the Chapel Perilous will remain the same. It is a mental state of being lost, to be absolutely outside of reality. But you realize that your mind is precisely what makes it real, so you're in another dimension as other laws and is therefore equally valid different reality than what you're experiencing right now.
Intento decir que la Capilla Peligrosa es real, y que puedes interpretarla como quieras, cada uno pensará una cosa diferente pero en esencia es el mismo sentir general. Unos después de ella quedan esquizofrenicos, otros no, otros piensan que han tenido una experiencia mística, cada uno pensará de una manera diferente... y se quedará con ciertas creencias, pero lo que es la Capilla Peligrosa seguirá siendo lo mismo. Es un estado mental de estar perdido. Pero te das cuenta que es precisamente tu mente lo que lo hace real, así que estás como en otra dimensión con otras leyes y es por tanto otra realidad igual de válida que la que estás experimentando ahora mismo.
QuoteIt is a mental state of being lost, to be absolutely outside of reality. But you realize that your mind is precisely what makes it real, so you're in another dimension as other laws and is therefore equally valid different reality than what you're experiencing right now.
I agree that it is a mental state, but you dance into the realm of poetry over pragmatics when you say that you are "outside of reality" and that it is "equally valid".
We came up with the parable of the Barstool Experiment for precisely this reason. Your brain may be firing weird and unusual neural patterns which fuck with your perceptions even more than usual, but that doesn't mean your experiential reality has changed; only your interpretation.
To put it in terms Robert Anton Wilson would use:
Chapel Perilous is a map that has almost nothing to do with the territory you're in.Estoy de acuerdo que es un estado mental, pero se baila en el reino de la poesía más pragmática cuando se dice que está "fuera de la realidad" y que es "igualmente válidas".
Se nos ocurrió con la parábola del experimento Barstool precisamente por esta razón. Su cerebro puede disparar patrones neuronales raro e inusual que coger con sus percepciones, incluso más de lo habitual, pero eso no quiere decir que su realidad de la experiencia ha cambiado, sólo su interpretación.
Para ponerlo en términos de Robert Anton Wilson debería usar:
Peligrosa Capilla es un mapa que no tiene casi nada que ver con el territorio que está adentro.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 12:43:06 PM
QuoteIt is a mental state of being lost, to be absolutely outside of reality. But you realize that your mind is precisely what makes it real, so you're in another dimension as other laws and is therefore equally valid different reality than what you're experiencing right now.
I agree that it is a mental state, but you dance into the realm of poetry over pragmatics when you say that you are "outside of reality" and that it is "equally valid".
We came up with the parable of the Barstool Experiment for precisely this reason. Your brain may be firing weird and unusual neural patterns which fuck with your perceptions even more than usual, but that doesn't mean your experiential reality has changed; only your interpretation.
To put it in terms Robert Anton Wilson would use: Chapel Perilous is a map that has almost nothing to do with the territory you're in.
Estoy de acuerdo que es un estado mental, pero se baila en el reino de la poesía más pragmática cuando se dice que está "fuera de la realidad" y que es "igualmente válidas".
Se nos ocurrió con la parábola del experimento Barstool precisamente por esta razón. Su cerebro puede disparar patrones neuronales raro e inusual que coger con sus percepciones, incluso más de lo habitual, pero eso no quiere decir que su realidad de la experiencia ha cambiado, sólo su interpretación.
Para ponerlo en términos de Robert Anton Wilson debería usar: Peligrosa Capilla es un mapa que no tiene casi nada que ver con el territorio que está adentro.
What this guy said.
In short, living outside of reality, objective, concrete reality, is not beneficial, from my point of view.
Lo que este hombre, dijo.
En resumen, si usted vive fuera de la realidad, el objetivo, la realidad concreta, no es beneficioso, desde mi punto de vista.
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.
Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.
Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.
It doesn't. Reality is objective, even if everyone everywhere *believes* differently
No lo hace. La realidad es objetiva, con independencia de que todos en todas partes *tiene una opinión* diferente.
To all intents and purposes there is no objective reality. Actually there probably is but none of us will ever experience it because we filter it through our senses and brains. The objective reality happens to you (a heavy mass connects with your immediate mass, at speed) You either experience a barstool or a unicorn based on your filters. Adhering to one of these filters will get you laughed out the pub, the other might get you a beer on the house.
The reality you exist within is objective but the way you interact with it is subjective and based on consensus. Most people don't understand this and will take great offence if you see a unicorn instead of a barstool and this makes you exponentially more likely to be on the receiving end of many more unicorn-beatings than you would otherwise.
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.
Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.
I think this is where the language barrier becomes tricky. We are using the word "reality" in two separate ways. I am using it in terms of physics: Mass, gravity, subatomic probability fields, and all the rest. You're using it, it seems to me, as the
interpretation of those things. We can all collectively hallucinate that you have wings, but you'll still plummet to the ground if you try to fly off a building.
Creo que aquí es donde la barrera del idioma se convierte en difícil. Estamos usando la palabra "realidad" de dos maneras diferentes. Lo estoy usando en términos de la física: masa, gravedad, campos subatómicas probabilidad, y todo lo demás. Usted lo está utilizando, me parece a mí, como
la interpretación de las cosas. Todos podemos colectivamente alucinaciones que tienen alas, pero aún así caen al suelo si se intenta volar un edificio.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.
Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.
I think this is where the language barrier becomes tricky. We are using the word "reality" in two separate ways. I am using it in terms of physics: Mass, gravity, subatomic probability fields, and all the rest. You're using it, it seems to me, as the interpretation of those things. We can all collectively hallucinate that you have wings, but you'll still plummet to the ground if you try to fly off a building.
Creo que aquí es donde la barrera del idioma se convierte en difícil. Estamos usando la palabra "realidad" de dos maneras diferentes. Lo estoy usando en términos de la física: masa, gravedad, campos subatómicas probabilidad, y todo lo demás. Usted lo está utilizando, me parece a mí, como la interpretación de las cosas. Todos podemos colectivamente alucinaciones que tienen alas, pero aún así caen al suelo si se intenta volar un edificio.
Yes it's true. There are two realities, I wonder if one can interact with each other but do not think so. Although the chapel is that, from a place where you can change the objective reality only through your mind, that's what creates all the bad trip, I guess like a bad acid trip. However, if we can not change the objective reality is we do not know yet. In the future, who knows.
Sí es verdad. Hay dos realidades, me pregunto si una puede interactuar con la otra pero no lo creo. Aunque la Capilla se trata de eso, de un lugar donde sí puedes cambiar la realidad objetiva solo mediante tu mente, eso es lo que crea todo el mal viaje, supongo que como un mal viaje de ácido. De todas maneras, si no podemos cambiar la realidad objetiva todavía es porque no sabemos. En un futuro quien sabe.
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.
Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.
It doesn't. Reality is objective, even if everyone everywhere *believes* differently
No lo hace. La realidad es objetiva, con independencia de que todos en todas partes *tiene una opinión* diferente.
The reality is divided into the observed and the observer ... I think. Anyway, the reality is based on the exterior and interior, and the interior is different. External reality to us is not that we "ignore" but is indifferent to us, does not happen with the fire that "burns with desire" to burn us.
If we take into account the "Siddhis" maybe if I can change the objective but this might be a myth.
La realidad se divide en la observada y en al del observador... creo. De todas maneras la realidad se basa en la exterior y la interior, y la interior sí es diferente. Para la realidad exterior nosotros no es que nos "ignore" sino que le somos indiferente, no pasa eso con el fuego, que "arde en deseos" de quemarnos.
Si tenemos en cuenta lo de los "Siddhis" quizás si pueda cambiar la objetiva pero eso quizás sea un mito.
I can change objective reality with my bare hands.
Quote from: Reeducation on December 21, 2011, 02:09:58 PM
I can change objective reality with my bare hands.
So can I. This is becoming a lost art, it seems.
TGRR,
Has also been known to use tools.
You know who else believed in Platonic metaphysics?
HITLER, that's who.
He liked animals, tho. And he was a vegetarian...
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.
Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.
I think this is where the language barrier becomes tricky. We are using the word "reality" in two separate ways. I am using it in terms of physics: Mass, gravity, subatomic probability fields, and all the rest. You're using it, it seems to me, as the interpretation of those things. We can all collectively hallucinate that you have wings, but you'll still plummet to the ground if you try to fly off a building.
Creo que aquí es donde la barrera del idioma se convierte en difícil. Estamos usando la palabra "realidad" de dos maneras diferentes. Lo estoy usando en términos de la física: masa, gravedad, campos subatómicas probabilidad, y todo lo demás. Usted lo está utilizando, me parece a mí, como la interpretación de las cosas. Todos podemos colectivamente alucinaciones que tienen alas, pero aún así caen al suelo si se intenta volar un edificio.
Yes it's true. There are two realities, I wonder if one can interact with each other but do not think so. Although the chapel is that, from a place where you can change the objective reality only through your mind, that's what creates all the bad trip, I guess like a bad acid trip. However, if we can not change the objective reality is we do not know yet. In the future, who knows.
Sí es verdad. Hay dos realidades, me pregunto si una puede interactuar con la otra pero no lo creo. Aunque la Capilla se trata de eso, de un lugar donde sí puedes cambiar la realidad objetiva solo mediante tu mente, eso es lo que crea todo el mal viaje, supongo que como un mal viaje de ácido. De todas maneras, si no podemos cambiar la realidad objetiva todavía es porque no sabemos. En un futuro quien sabe.
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.
Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.
It doesn't. Reality is objective, even if everyone everywhere *believes* differently
No lo hace. La realidad es objetiva, con independencia de que todos en todas partes *tiene una opinión* diferente.
The reality is divided into the observed and the observer ... I think. Anyway, the reality is based on the exterior and interior, and the interior is different. External reality to us is not that we "ignore" but is indifferent to us, does not happen with the fire that "burns with desire" to burn us.
If we take into account the "Siddhis" maybe if I can change the objective but this might be a myth.
La realidad se divide en la observada y en al del observador... creo. De todas maneras la realidad se basa en la exterior y la interior, y la interior sí es diferente. Para la realidad exterior nosotros no es que nos "ignore" sino que le somos indiferente, no pasa eso con el fuego, que "arde en deseos" de quemarnos.
Si tenemos en cuenta lo de los "Siddhis" quizás si pueda cambiar la objetiva pero eso quizás sea un mito.
I... remain politely skeptical of your grasp on the topic at hand, and would like to attribute this miscommunication to the linguistic difficulties. With this in mind, I will refrain from further commentary on this issue until such time as I have ascertained your true meaning.
Yo siendo educadamente escéptica de su comprensión del tema que nos ocupa, y me gustaría atribuir esta falta de comunicación a las dificultades lingüísticas. Con esto en mente, me abstendré de más comentarios sobre este tema hasta el momento en que me he cerciorado de su verdadero significado.
He pretty much mentioned "changing objective reality with his mind", Phoxy.
And that's great, if he is also using his hands. If he thinks he can do it with will power alone, then I shall point at him, and laugh.
Like this ---> :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 02:17:15 PM
He pretty much mentioned "changing objective reality with his mind", Phoxy.
And that's great, if he is also using his hands. If he thinks he can do it with will power alone, then I shall point at him, and laugh.
Like this ---> :lulz:
I am still clinging vainly to the belief that there is something lost in translation and that my lack of sleep is responsible for my desire to find the nearest sizable object and begin bludgeoning... LET ME HAVE MY DELUSIONS AT THIS HOUR, ROGER. :tgrr:
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 02:21:05 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 02:17:15 PM
He pretty much mentioned "changing objective reality with his mind", Phoxy.
And that's great, if he is also using his hands. If he thinks he can do it with will power alone, then I shall point at him, and laugh.
Like this ---> :lulz:
I am still clinging vainly to the belief that there is something lost in translation and that my lack of sleep is responsible for my desire to find the nearest sizable object and begin bludgeoning... LET ME HAVE MY DELUSIONS AT THIS HOUR, ROGER. :tgrr:
You are a Doktor. Pleasing illusions are for laymen and Spaniards.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 21, 2011, 02:13:15 PM
He liked animals, tho. And he was a vegetarian...
Then those things are also objectively wrong.
I see no problem here.
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.
Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.
I think this is where the language barrier becomes tricky. We are using the word "reality" in two separate ways. I am using it in terms of physics: Mass, gravity, subatomic probability fields, and all the rest. You're using it, it seems to me, as the interpretation of those things. We can all collectively hallucinate that you have wings, but you'll still plummet to the ground if you try to fly off a building.
Creo que aquí es donde la barrera del idioma se convierte en difícil. Estamos usando la palabra "realidad" de dos maneras diferentes. Lo estoy usando en términos de la física: masa, gravedad, campos subatómicas probabilidad, y todo lo demás. Usted lo está utilizando, me parece a mí, como la interpretación de las cosas. Todos podemos colectivamente alucinaciones que tienen alas, pero aún así caen al suelo si se intenta volar un edificio.
Yes it's true. There are two realities, I wonder if one can interact with each other but do not think so. Although the chapel is that, from a place where you can change the objective reality only through your mind, that's what creates all the bad trip, I guess like a bad acid trip. However, if we can not change the objective reality is we do not know yet. In the future, who knows.
Sí es verdad. Hay dos realidades, me pregunto si una puede interactuar con la otra pero no lo creo. Aunque la Capilla se trata de eso, de un lugar donde sí puedes cambiar la realidad objetiva solo mediante tu mente, eso es lo que crea todo el mal viaje, supongo que como un mal viaje de ácido. De todas maneras, si no podemos cambiar la realidad objetiva todavía es porque no sabemos. En un futuro quien sabe.
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.
Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.
It doesn't. Reality is objective, even if everyone everywhere *believes* differently
No lo hace. La realidad es objetiva, con independencia de que todos en todas partes *tiene una opinión* diferente.
The reality is divided into the observed and the observer ... I think. Anyway, the reality is based on the exterior and interior, and the interior is different. External reality to us is not that we "ignore" but is indifferent to us, does not happen with the fire that "burns with desire" to burn us.
If we take into account the "Siddhis" maybe if I can change the objective but this might be a myth.
La realidad se divide en la observada y en al del observador... creo. De todas maneras la realidad se basa en la exterior y la interior, y la interior sí es diferente. Para la realidad exterior nosotros no es que nos "ignore" sino que le somos indiferente, no pasa eso con el fuego, que "arde en deseos" de quemarnos.
Si tenemos en cuenta lo de los "Siddhis" quizás si pueda cambiar la objetiva pero eso quizás sea un mito.
I... remain politely skeptical of your grasp on the topic at hand, and would like to attribute this miscommunication to the linguistic difficulties. With this in mind, I will refrain from further commentary on this issue until such time as I have ascertained your true meaning.
Yo siendo educadamente escéptica de su comprensión del tema que nos ocupa, y me gustaría atribuir esta falta de comunicación a las dificultades lingüísticas. Con esto en mente, me abstendré de más comentarios sobre este tema hasta el momento en que me he cerciorado de su verdadero significado.
Ok. If you heard voices, you are changing the objetive reality? if you see a ghost, the same? Just question.
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 02:11:56 PM
You know who else believed in Platonic metaphysics?
HITLER, that's who.
And the atomic bomb? TRUMAN.
What a silly boy.
And the nuclear energy? EINSTEIN.
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 02:29:58 PM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.
Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.
I think this is where the language barrier becomes tricky. We are using the word "reality" in two separate ways. I am using it in terms of physics: Mass, gravity, subatomic probability fields, and all the rest. You're using it, it seems to me, as the interpretation of those things. We can all collectively hallucinate that you have wings, but you'll still plummet to the ground if you try to fly off a building.
Creo que aquí es donde la barrera del idioma se convierte en difícil. Estamos usando la palabra "realidad" de dos maneras diferentes. Lo estoy usando en términos de la física: masa, gravedad, campos subatómicas probabilidad, y todo lo demás. Usted lo está utilizando, me parece a mí, como la interpretación de las cosas. Todos podemos colectivamente alucinaciones que tienen alas, pero aún así caen al suelo si se intenta volar un edificio.
Yes it's true. There are two realities, I wonder if one can interact with each other but do not think so. Although the chapel is that, from a place where you can change the objective reality only through your mind, that's what creates all the bad trip, I guess like a bad acid trip. However, if we can not change the objective reality is we do not know yet. In the future, who knows.
Sí es verdad. Hay dos realidades, me pregunto si una puede interactuar con la otra pero no lo creo. Aunque la Capilla se trata de eso, de un lugar donde sí puedes cambiar la realidad objetiva solo mediante tu mente, eso es lo que crea todo el mal viaje, supongo que como un mal viaje de ácido. De todas maneras, si no podemos cambiar la realidad objetiva todavía es porque no sabemos. En un futuro quien sabe.
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.
Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.
It doesn't. Reality is objective, even if everyone everywhere *believes* differently
No lo hace. La realidad es objetiva, con independencia de que todos en todas partes *tiene una opinión* diferente.
The reality is divided into the observed and the observer ... I think. Anyway, the reality is based on the exterior and interior, and the interior is different. External reality to us is not that we "ignore" but is indifferent to us, does not happen with the fire that "burns with desire" to burn us.
If we take into account the "Siddhis" maybe if I can change the objective but this might be a myth.
La realidad se divide en la observada y en al del observador... creo. De todas maneras la realidad se basa en la exterior y la interior, y la interior sí es diferente. Para la realidad exterior nosotros no es que nos "ignore" sino que le somos indiferente, no pasa eso con el fuego, que "arde en deseos" de quemarnos.
Si tenemos en cuenta lo de los "Siddhis" quizás si pueda cambiar la objetiva pero eso quizás sea un mito.
I... remain politely skeptical of your grasp on the topic at hand, and would like to attribute this miscommunication to the linguistic difficulties. With this in mind, I will refrain from further commentary on this issue until such time as I have ascertained your true meaning.
Yo siendo educadamente escéptica de su comprensión del tema que nos ocupa, y me gustaría atribuir esta falta de comunicación a las dificultades lingüísticas. Con esto en mente, me abstendré de más comentarios sobre este tema hasta el momento en que me he cerciorado de su verdadero significado.
Ok. If you heard voices, you are changing the objetive reality? if you see a ghost, the same? Just question.
No. Sólo respuesta.
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 02:31:55 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 02:29:58 PM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.
Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.
I think this is where the language barrier becomes tricky. We are using the word "reality" in two separate ways. I am using it in terms of physics: Mass, gravity, subatomic probability fields, and all the rest. You're using it, it seems to me, as the interpretation of those things. We can all collectively hallucinate that you have wings, but you'll still plummet to the ground if you try to fly off a building.
Creo que aquí es donde la barrera del idioma se convierte en difícil. Estamos usando la palabra "realidad" de dos maneras diferentes. Lo estoy usando en términos de la física: masa, gravedad, campos subatómicas probabilidad, y todo lo demás. Usted lo está utilizando, me parece a mí, como la interpretación de las cosas. Todos podemos colectivamente alucinaciones que tienen alas, pero aún así caen al suelo si se intenta volar un edificio.
Yes it's true. There are two realities, I wonder if one can interact with each other but do not think so. Although the chapel is that, from a place where you can change the objective reality only through your mind, that's what creates all the bad trip, I guess like a bad acid trip. However, if we can not change the objective reality is we do not know yet. In the future, who knows.
Sí es verdad. Hay dos realidades, me pregunto si una puede interactuar con la otra pero no lo creo. Aunque la Capilla se trata de eso, de un lugar donde sí puedes cambiar la realidad objetiva solo mediante tu mente, eso es lo que crea todo el mal viaje, supongo que como un mal viaje de ácido. De todas maneras, si no podemos cambiar la realidad objetiva todavía es porque no sabemos. En un futuro quien sabe.
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.
Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.
It doesn't. Reality is objective, even if everyone everywhere *believes* differently
No lo hace. La realidad es objetiva, con independencia de que todos en todas partes *tiene una opinión* diferente.
The reality is divided into the observed and the observer ... I think. Anyway, the reality is based on the exterior and interior, and the interior is different. External reality to us is not that we "ignore" but is indifferent to us, does not happen with the fire that "burns with desire" to burn us.
If we take into account the "Siddhis" maybe if I can change the objective but this might be a myth.
La realidad se divide en la observada y en al del observador... creo. De todas maneras la realidad se basa en la exterior y la interior, y la interior sí es diferente. Para la realidad exterior nosotros no es que nos "ignore" sino que le somos indiferente, no pasa eso con el fuego, que "arde en deseos" de quemarnos.
Si tenemos en cuenta lo de los "Siddhis" quizás si pueda cambiar la objetiva pero eso quizás sea un mito.
I... remain politely skeptical of your grasp on the topic at hand, and would like to attribute this miscommunication to the linguistic difficulties. With this in mind, I will refrain from further commentary on this issue until such time as I have ascertained your true meaning.
Yo siendo educadamente escéptica de su comprensión del tema que nos ocupa, y me gustaría atribuir esta falta de comunicación a las dificultades lingüísticas. Con esto en mente, me abstendré de más comentarios sobre este tema hasta el momento en que me he cerciorado de su verdadero significado.
Ok. If you heard voices, you are changing the objetive reality? if you see a ghost, the same? Just question.
No. Sólo respuesta.
If you take LSD, you are changing the objective reality? objective reality is not exactly what we experience, know, be aware of?
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 02:31:08 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 02:11:56 PM
You know who else believed in Platonic metaphysics?
HITLER, that's who.
And the atomic bomb? TRUMAN.
What a silly boy.
And the nuclear energy? EINSTEIN.
:lulz:
Someone doesn't get it.
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 02:34:06 PM
If you take LSD, you are changing the objective reality?
It's time for another round of friendly letters.
Dear Khore,
No, you are not.
Yours sincerely,
Cain
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 02:34:06 PM
If you take LSD, you are changing the objective reality? objective reality is not exactly what we experience, know, be aware of?
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 02:31:55 PM
No. Sólo respuesta.
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 02:34:06 PM
If you take LSD, you are changing the objective reality? objective reality is not exactly what we experience, know, be aware of?
No, the LSD is just a chemical going nutty and pushing different buttons in your brain making you perceive reality in a different way. It doesn't actually alter the physicality of your surroundings.
Same thing can happen if you get clocked in the head. Those stars you see really aren't there. It's just your brain having some issues.
Ok, so nothing more to say.
Yes, mind is subjetive. The reality is mental. So all is subjetive and in constant evolution. The reality too. Only there are forces that we cant understand now.
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
Yes, mind is subjetive. The reality is mental. So all is subjetive and in constant evolution. The reality too. Only there are forces that we cant understand now.
Prove it.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 03:44:27 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
Yes, mind is subjetive. The reality is mental. So all is subjetive and in constant evolution. The reality too. Only there are forces that we cant understand now.
Prove it.
Kybalion.
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 03:45:35 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 03:44:27 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
Yes, mind is subjetive. The reality is mental. So all is subjetive and in constant evolution. The reality too. Only there are forces that we cant understand now.
Prove it.
Kybalion.
Ohhhh...I get it. You're one of those half-assed "mystics" who tries to pass off pseudo-zen bullshit whenever anyone calls you on your crap.
That's not going to get you laid. Just so you know.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 03:49:09 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 03:45:35 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 03:44:27 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
Yes, mind is subjetive. The reality is mental. So all is subjetive and in constant evolution. The reality too. Only there are forces that we cant understand now.
Prove it.
Kybalion.
Ohhhh...I get it. You're one of those half-assed "mystics" who tries to pass off pseudo-zen bullshit whenever anyone calls you on your crap.
That's not going to get you laid. Just so you know.
No just crap, only is my experience.
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 03:54:42 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 03:49:09 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 03:45:35 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 03:44:27 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
Yes, mind is subjetive. The reality is mental. So all is subjetive and in constant evolution. The reality too. Only there are forces that we cant understand now.
Prove it.
Kybalion.
Ohhhh...I get it. You're one of those half-assed "mystics" who tries to pass off pseudo-zen bullshit whenever anyone calls you on your crap.
That's not going to get you laid. Just so you know.
No just crap, only is my experience.
What, your experience is giving one-word nonsense answers when you are asked to prove a statement?
How very outlandish of you.
This is like having a "what's hot" in occult texts and not so obscure mysticism, run through a translator into Spanish and then back into English again, as interpreted by someone stoned out of their gourd.
Sadly, this is not too far from the reality of the situation.
Khorne, we've read the books, been there and done that. We've also almost entirely rejected claims like "reality is mental" and "you can cause changes in objective reality through your Will." We do have a few occultist types on the board, but even they will, after 50+ pages of flaming, troll and mutual mischaracterization, admit they are talking about a psychological process which has no bearing on objective reality, only ones interpretation of it.
But of course, since you're 16, have dropped acid and know who Crowley is, you know everything :roll:
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:00:03 PM
This is like having a "what's hot" in occult texts and not so obscure mysticism, run through a translator into Spanish and then back into English again, as interpreted by someone stoned out of their gourd.
Sadly, this is not too far from the reality of the situation.
Khorne, we've read the books, been there and done that. We've also almost entirely rejected claims like "reality is mental" and "you can cause changes in objective reality through your Will." We do have a few occultist types on the board, but even they will, after 50+ pages of flaming, troll and mutual mischaracterization, admit they are talking about a psychological process which has no bearing on objective reality, only ones interpretation of it.
But of course, since you're 16, have dropped acid and know who Crowley is, you know everything :roll:
He is now calling my mother a whore in the other thread, thinking that I won't understand him.
He has had his last attempt at "communication".
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:00:03 PM
This is like having a "what's hot" in occult texts and not so obscure mysticism, run through a translator into Spanish and then back into English again, as interpreted by someone stoned out of their gourd.
Sadly, this is not too far from the reality of the situation.
Khorne, we've read the books, been there and done that. We've also almost entirely rejected claims like "reality is mental" and "you can cause changes in objective reality through your Will." We do have a few occultist types on the board, but even they will, after 50+ pages of flaming, troll and mutual mischaracterization, admit they are talking about a psychological process which has no bearing on objective reality, only ones interpretation of it.
But of course, since you're 16, have dropped acid and know who Crowley is, you know everything :roll:
And psychokinesis could be real too according to some experiments of some scientists.
But I will not say more, I'm not sure.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 04:01:07 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:00:03 PM
This is like having a "what's hot" in occult texts and not so obscure mysticism, run through a translator into Spanish and then back into English again, as interpreted by someone stoned out of their gourd.
Sadly, this is not too far from the reality of the situation.
Khorne, we've read the books, been there and done that. We've also almost entirely rejected claims like "reality is mental" and "you can cause changes in objective reality through your Will." We do have a few occultist types on the board, but even they will, after 50+ pages of flaming, troll and mutual mischaracterization, admit they are talking about a psychological process which has no bearing on objective reality, only ones interpretation of it.
But of course, since you're 16, have dropped acid and know who Crowley is, you know everything :roll:
He is now calling my mother a whore in the other thread, thinking that I won't understand him.
He has had his last attempt at "communication".
¿?
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 04:04:35 PM
And psychokinesis could be real too according to some experiments of some scientists.
Absolute bullshit.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 04:01:07 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:00:03 PM
This is like having a "what's hot" in occult texts and not so obscure mysticism, run through a translator into Spanish and then back into English again, as interpreted by someone stoned out of their gourd.
Sadly, this is not too far from the reality of the situation.
Khorne, we've read the books, been there and done that. We've also almost entirely rejected claims like "reality is mental" and "you can cause changes in objective reality through your Will." We do have a few occultist types on the board, but even they will, after 50+ pages of flaming, troll and mutual mischaracterization, admit they are talking about a psychological process which has no bearing on objective reality, only ones interpretation of it.
But of course, since you're 16, have dropped acid and know who Crowley is, you know everything :roll:
He is now calling my mother a whore in the other thread, thinking that I won't understand him.
He has had his last attempt at "communication".
Yeah, I saw that. Had to google translate to be sure, but... I think we're done here either way. If he really doesn't understand English very well, then getting into the semantics and accurate use of terms will simply be beyond him. Or, he's trolling. Or, he's willfully ignorant.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 04:07:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 04:01:07 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:00:03 PM
This is like having a "what's hot" in occult texts and not so obscure mysticism, run through a translator into Spanish and then back into English again, as interpreted by someone stoned out of their gourd.
Sadly, this is not too far from the reality of the situation.
Khorne, we've read the books, been there and done that. We've also almost entirely rejected claims like "reality is mental" and "you can cause changes in objective reality through your Will." We do have a few occultist types on the board, but even they will, after 50+ pages of flaming, troll and mutual mischaracterization, admit they are talking about a psychological process which has no bearing on objective reality, only ones interpretation of it.
But of course, since you're 16, have dropped acid and know who Crowley is, you know everything :roll:
He is now calling my mother a whore in the other thread, thinking that I won't understand him.
He has had his last attempt at "communication".
Yeah, I saw that. Had to google translate to be sure, but... I think we're done here either way. If he really doesn't understand English very well, then getting into the semantics and accurate use of terms will simply be beyond him. Or, he's trolling. Or, he's willfully ignorant.
Is a colloquial expression, but not bad.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 04:07:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 04:01:07 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:00:03 PM
This is like having a "what's hot" in occult texts and not so obscure mysticism, run through a translator into Spanish and then back into English again, as interpreted by someone stoned out of their gourd.
Sadly, this is not too far from the reality of the situation.
Khorne, we've read the books, been there and done that. We've also almost entirely rejected claims like "reality is mental" and "you can cause changes in objective reality through your Will." We do have a few occultist types on the board, but even they will, after 50+ pages of flaming, troll and mutual mischaracterization, admit they are talking about a psychological process which has no bearing on objective reality, only ones interpretation of it.
But of course, since you're 16, have dropped acid and know who Crowley is, you know everything :roll:
He is now calling my mother a whore in the other thread, thinking that I won't understand him.
He has had his last attempt at "communication".
Yeah, I saw that. Had to google translate to be sure, but... I think we're done here either way. If he really doesn't understand English very well, then getting into the semantics and accurate use of terms will simply be beyond him. Or, he's trolling. Or, he's willfully ignorant.
Called it days ago. I win an internets :noodledance:
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 04:04:35 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:00:03 PM
This is like having a "what's hot" in occult texts and not so obscure mysticism, run through a translator into Spanish and then back into English again, as interpreted by someone stoned out of their gourd.
Sadly, this is not too far from the reality of the situation.
Khorne, we've read the books, been there and done that. We've also almost entirely rejected claims like "reality is mental" and "you can cause changes in objective reality through your Will." We do have a few occultist types on the board, but even they will, after 50+ pages of flaming, troll and mutual mischaracterization, admit they are talking about a psychological process which has no bearing on objective reality, only ones interpretation of it.
But of course, since you're 16, have dropped acid and know who Crowley is, you know everything :roll:
And psychokinesis could be real too according to some experiments of some scientists.
But I will not say more, I'm not sure.
Not unless scientists have discovered the last 2000 years of progress is wrong, they haven't.
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 04:04:35 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:00:03 PM
This is like having a "what's hot" in occult texts and not so obscure mysticism, run through a translator into Spanish and then back into English again, as interpreted by someone stoned out of their gourd.
Sadly, this is not too far from the reality of the situation.
Khorne, we've read the books, been there and done that. We've also almost entirely rejected claims like "reality is mental" and "you can cause changes in objective reality through your Will." We do have a few occultist types on the board, but even they will, after 50+ pages of flaming, troll and mutual mischaracterization, admit they are talking about a psychological process which has no bearing on objective reality, only ones interpretation of it.
But of course, since you're 16, have dropped acid and know who Crowley is, you know everything :roll:
And psychokinesis could be real too according to some experiments of some scientists.
But I will not say more, I'm not sure.
Not unless scientists have discovered the last 2000 years of progress is wrong, they haven't.
See, Cain, this is exactly what I was talking about in Horrorology. Here we are on a world that's weird as fuck, but instead of exploring that weirdness, people sit around making shit up, because it's easier to sit around and wank all over "sigils" than it is to, you know, GET OFF THE COUCH and go find the weird.
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 04:04:35 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:00:03 PM
This is like having a "what's hot" in occult texts and not so obscure mysticism, run through a translator into Spanish and then back into English again, as interpreted by someone stoned out of their gourd.
Sadly, this is not too far from the reality of the situation.
Khorne, we've read the books, been there and done that. We've also almost entirely rejected claims like "reality is mental" and "you can cause changes in objective reality through your Will." We do have a few occultist types on the board, but even they will, after 50+ pages of flaming, troll and mutual mischaracterization, admit they are talking about a psychological process which has no bearing on objective reality, only ones interpretation of it.
But of course, since you're 16, have dropped acid and know who Crowley is, you know everything :roll:
And psychokinesis could be real too according to some experiments of some scientists.
But I will not say more, I'm not sure.
Not unless scientists have discovered the last 2000 years of progress is wrong, they haven't.
You heartless beast, you make Uri Geller cry
(http://videos.videopress.com/GBm2Bpc3/uri-geller-mpeg_std.original.jpg)
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 04:04:35 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:00:03 PM
This is like having a "what's hot" in occult texts and not so obscure mysticism, run through a translator into Spanish and then back into English again, as interpreted by someone stoned out of their gourd.
Sadly, this is not too far from the reality of the situation.
Khorne, we've read the books, been there and done that. We've also almost entirely rejected claims like "reality is mental" and "you can cause changes in objective reality through your Will." We do have a few occultist types on the board, but even they will, after 50+ pages of flaming, troll and mutual mischaracterization, admit they are talking about a psychological process which has no bearing on objective reality, only ones interpretation of it.
But of course, since you're 16, have dropped acid and know who Crowley is, you know everything :roll:
And psychokinesis could be real too according to some experiments of some scientists.
But I will not say more, I'm not sure.
Not unless scientists have discovered the last 2000 years of progress is wrong, they haven't.
BREAKING: Scientists reveal it was all actually a joke.
Cars, lightbulbs and televisions operate due to invisible gremlins.
Internet still series of tubes.
More at 11.
"De puta madre" is equal here in Spain to: "a great time".
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 04:14:26 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 04:04:35 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:00:03 PM
This is like having a "what's hot" in occult texts and not so obscure mysticism, run through a translator into Spanish and then back into English again, as interpreted by someone stoned out of their gourd.
Sadly, this is not too far from the reality of the situation.
Khorne, we've read the books, been there and done that. We've also almost entirely rejected claims like "reality is mental" and "you can cause changes in objective reality through your Will." We do have a few occultist types on the board, but even they will, after 50+ pages of flaming, troll and mutual mischaracterization, admit they are talking about a psychological process which has no bearing on objective reality, only ones interpretation of it.
But of course, since you're 16, have dropped acid and know who Crowley is, you know everything :roll:
And psychokinesis could be real too according to some experiments of some scientists.
But I will not say more, I'm not sure.
Not unless scientists have discovered the last 2000 years of progress is wrong, they haven't.
See, Cain, this is exactly what I was talking about in Horrorology. Here we are on a world that's weird as fuck, but instead of exploring that weirdness, people sit around making shit up, because it's easier to sit around and wank all over "sigils" than it is to, you know, GET OFF THE COUCH and go find the weird.
I have this exact same complaint with conspiracy theorists, as I'm sure you've noticed. Though the reptiles thing is kinda fun to think about...
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:17:10 PM
I have this exact same complaint with conspiracy theorists, as I'm sure you've noticed. Though the reptiles thing is kinda fun to think about...
It's been a long time since we fucked with Wiolawa (sp?).
We should send her some photo negative images of iguanas.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 04:18:39 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:17:10 PM
I have this exact same complaint with conspiracy theorists, as I'm sure you've noticed. Though the reptiles thing is kinda fun to think about...
It's been a long time since we fucked with Wiolawa (sp?).
We should send her some photo negative images of iguanas.
AH HO! :lulz:
Shit, I forgot about that.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 04:18:39 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 04:17:10 PM
I have this exact same complaint with conspiracy theorists, as I'm sure you've noticed. Though the reptiles thing is kinda fun to think about...
It's been a long time since we fucked with Wiolawa (sp?).
We should send her some photo negative images of iguanas.
We should. Or somehow instigate a war between her and David Icke.
*cough*
hxxp://s6.zetaboards.com/Free_Thinkers/index/
ew gross! look what I coughed up
Quote from: Cramulus on December 21, 2011, 04:46:00 PM
*cough*
hxxp://s6.zetaboards.com/Free_Thinkers/index/
ew gross! look what I coughed up
This will be a lovely way to ring in the New Year!