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Started by Khore, December 14, 2011, 12:42:13 PM

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Reeducation

I can change objective reality with my bare hands.

I am very calm

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Reeducation on December 21, 2011, 02:09:58 PM
I can change objective reality with my bare hands.



So can I.  This is becoming a lost art, it seems.

TGRR,
Has also been known to use tools.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

You know who else believed in Platonic metaphysics?

HITLER, that's who.

P3nT4gR4m

He liked animals, tho. And he was a vegetarian...

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
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Phox

Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.

Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.

I think this is where the language barrier becomes tricky.  We are using the word "reality" in two separate ways.  I am using it in terms of physics: Mass, gravity, subatomic probability fields, and all the rest.  You're using it, it seems to me, as the interpretation of those things.  We can all collectively hallucinate that you have wings, but you'll still plummet to the ground if you try to fly off a building.

Creo que aquí es donde la barrera del idioma se convierte en difícil. Estamos usando la palabra "realidad" de dos maneras diferentes. Lo estoy usando en términos de la física: masa, gravedad, campos subatómicas probabilidad, y todo lo demás. Usted lo está utilizando, me parece a mí, como la interpretación de las cosas. Todos podemos colectivamente alucinaciones que tienen alas, pero aún así caen al suelo si se intenta volar un edificio.

Yes it's true. There are two realities, I wonder if one can interact with each other but do not think so. Although the chapel is that, from a place where you can change the objective reality only through your mind, that's what creates all the bad trip, I guess like a bad acid trip. However, if we can not change the objective reality is we do not know yet. In the future, who knows.

Sí es verdad. Hay dos realidades, me pregunto si una puede interactuar con la otra pero no lo creo. Aunque la Capilla se trata de eso, de un lugar donde sí puedes cambiar la realidad objetiva solo mediante tu mente, eso es lo que crea todo el mal viaje, supongo que como un mal viaje de ácido. De todas maneras, si no podemos cambiar la realidad objetiva todavía es porque no sabemos. En un futuro quien sabe.

Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.

Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.
It doesn't. Reality is objective, even if everyone everywhere *believes* differently

No lo hace. La realidad es objetiva, con independencia de que todos en todas partes *tiene una opinión* diferente.

The reality is divided into the observed and the observer ... I think. Anyway, the reality is based on the exterior and interior, and the interior is different. External reality to us is not that we "ignore" but is indifferent to us, does not happen with the fire that "burns with desire" to burn us.

If we take into account the "Siddhis" maybe if I can change the objective but this might be a myth.


La realidad se divide en la observada y en al del observador... creo. De todas maneras la realidad se basa en la exterior y la interior, y la interior sí es diferente. Para la realidad exterior nosotros no es que nos "ignore" sino que le somos indiferente, no pasa eso con el fuego, que "arde en deseos" de quemarnos.

Si tenemos en cuenta lo de los "Siddhis" quizás si pueda cambiar la objetiva pero eso quizás sea un mito.

I... remain politely skeptical of your grasp on the topic at hand, and would like to attribute this miscommunication to the linguistic difficulties. With this in mind, I will refrain from further commentary on this issue until such time as I have ascertained your true meaning.

Yo siendo educadamente escéptica de su comprensión del tema que nos ocupa, y me gustaría atribuir esta falta de comunicación a las dificultades lingüísticas. Con esto en mente, me abstendré de más comentarios sobre este tema hasta el momento en que me he cerciorado de su verdadero significado.

The Good Reverend Roger

He pretty much mentioned "changing objective reality with his mind", Phoxy.

And that's great, if he is also using his hands.  If he thinks he can do it with will power alone, then I shall point at him, and laugh.

Like this ---> :lulz:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Phox

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 02:17:15 PM
He pretty much mentioned "changing objective reality with his mind", Phoxy.

And that's great, if he is also using his hands.  If he thinks he can do it with will power alone, then I shall point at him, and laugh.

Like this ---> :lulz:

I am still clinging vainly to the belief that there is something lost in translation and that my lack of sleep is responsible for my desire to find the nearest sizable object and begin bludgeoning... LET ME HAVE MY DELUSIONS AT THIS HOUR, ROGER.  :tgrr:


The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 02:21:05 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 02:17:15 PM
He pretty much mentioned "changing objective reality with his mind", Phoxy.

And that's great, if he is also using his hands.  If he thinks he can do it with will power alone, then I shall point at him, and laugh.

Like this ---> :lulz:

I am still clinging vainly to the belief that there is something lost in translation and that my lack of sleep is responsible for my desire to find the nearest sizable object and begin bludgeoning... LET ME HAVE MY DELUSIONS AT THIS HOUR, ROGER.  :tgrr:



You are a Doktor.  Pleasing illusions are for laymen and Spaniards.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 21, 2011, 02:13:15 PM
He liked animals, tho. And he was a vegetarian...

Then those things are also objectively wrong.

I see no problem here.

Khore

Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.

Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.

I think this is where the language barrier becomes tricky.  We are using the word "reality" in two separate ways.  I am using it in terms of physics: Mass, gravity, subatomic probability fields, and all the rest.  You're using it, it seems to me, as the interpretation of those things.  We can all collectively hallucinate that you have wings, but you'll still plummet to the ground if you try to fly off a building.

Creo que aquí es donde la barrera del idioma se convierte en difícil. Estamos usando la palabra "realidad" de dos maneras diferentes. Lo estoy usando en términos de la física: masa, gravedad, campos subatómicas probabilidad, y todo lo demás. Usted lo está utilizando, me parece a mí, como la interpretación de las cosas. Todos podemos colectivamente alucinaciones que tienen alas, pero aún así caen al suelo si se intenta volar un edificio.

Yes it's true. There are two realities, I wonder if one can interact with each other but do not think so. Although the chapel is that, from a place where you can change the objective reality only through your mind, that's what creates all the bad trip, I guess like a bad acid trip. However, if we can not change the objective reality is we do not know yet. In the future, who knows.

Sí es verdad. Hay dos realidades, me pregunto si una puede interactuar con la otra pero no lo creo. Aunque la Capilla se trata de eso, de un lugar donde sí puedes cambiar la realidad objetiva solo mediante tu mente, eso es lo que crea todo el mal viaje, supongo que como un mal viaje de ácido. De todas maneras, si no podemos cambiar la realidad objetiva todavía es porque no sabemos. En un futuro quien sabe.

Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.

Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.
It doesn't. Reality is objective, even if everyone everywhere *believes* differently

No lo hace. La realidad es objetiva, con independencia de que todos en todas partes *tiene una opinión* diferente.

The reality is divided into the observed and the observer ... I think. Anyway, the reality is based on the exterior and interior, and the interior is different. External reality to us is not that we "ignore" but is indifferent to us, does not happen with the fire that "burns with desire" to burn us.

If we take into account the "Siddhis" maybe if I can change the objective but this might be a myth.


La realidad se divide en la observada y en al del observador... creo. De todas maneras la realidad se basa en la exterior y la interior, y la interior sí es diferente. Para la realidad exterior nosotros no es que nos "ignore" sino que le somos indiferente, no pasa eso con el fuego, que "arde en deseos" de quemarnos.

Si tenemos en cuenta lo de los "Siddhis" quizás si pueda cambiar la objetiva pero eso quizás sea un mito.

I... remain politely skeptical of your grasp on the topic at hand, and would like to attribute this miscommunication to the linguistic difficulties. With this in mind, I will refrain from further commentary on this issue until such time as I have ascertained your true meaning.

Yo siendo educadamente escéptica de su comprensión del tema que nos ocupa, y me gustaría atribuir esta falta de comunicación a las dificultades lingüísticas. Con esto en mente, me abstendré de más comentarios sobre este tema hasta el momento en que me he cerciorado de su verdadero significado.
Ok. If you heard voices, you are changing the objetive reality? if you see a ghost, the same? Just question.

Khore

Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 02:11:56 PM
You know who else believed in Platonic metaphysics?

HITLER, that's who.
And the atomic bomb? TRUMAN.
What a silly boy.
And the nuclear energy? EINSTEIN.

Phox

Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 02:29:58 PM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.

Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.

I think this is where the language barrier becomes tricky.  We are using the word "reality" in two separate ways.  I am using it in terms of physics: Mass, gravity, subatomic probability fields, and all the rest.  You're using it, it seems to me, as the interpretation of those things.  We can all collectively hallucinate that you have wings, but you'll still plummet to the ground if you try to fly off a building.

Creo que aquí es donde la barrera del idioma se convierte en difícil. Estamos usando la palabra "realidad" de dos maneras diferentes. Lo estoy usando en términos de la física: masa, gravedad, campos subatómicas probabilidad, y todo lo demás. Usted lo está utilizando, me parece a mí, como la interpretación de las cosas. Todos podemos colectivamente alucinaciones que tienen alas, pero aún así caen al suelo si se intenta volar un edificio.

Yes it's true. There are two realities, I wonder if one can interact with each other but do not think so. Although the chapel is that, from a place where you can change the objective reality only through your mind, that's what creates all the bad trip, I guess like a bad acid trip. However, if we can not change the objective reality is we do not know yet. In the future, who knows.

Sí es verdad. Hay dos realidades, me pregunto si una puede interactuar con la otra pero no lo creo. Aunque la Capilla se trata de eso, de un lugar donde sí puedes cambiar la realidad objetiva solo mediante tu mente, eso es lo que crea todo el mal viaje, supongo que como un mal viaje de ácido. De todas maneras, si no podemos cambiar la realidad objetiva todavía es porque no sabemos. En un futuro quien sabe.

Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.

Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.
It doesn't. Reality is objective, even if everyone everywhere *believes* differently

No lo hace. La realidad es objetiva, con independencia de que todos en todas partes *tiene una opinión* diferente.

The reality is divided into the observed and the observer ... I think. Anyway, the reality is based on the exterior and interior, and the interior is different. External reality to us is not that we "ignore" but is indifferent to us, does not happen with the fire that "burns with desire" to burn us.

If we take into account the "Siddhis" maybe if I can change the objective but this might be a myth.


La realidad se divide en la observada y en al del observador... creo. De todas maneras la realidad se basa en la exterior y la interior, y la interior sí es diferente. Para la realidad exterior nosotros no es que nos "ignore" sino que le somos indiferente, no pasa eso con el fuego, que "arde en deseos" de quemarnos.

Si tenemos en cuenta lo de los "Siddhis" quizás si pueda cambiar la objetiva pero eso quizás sea un mito.

I... remain politely skeptical of your grasp on the topic at hand, and would like to attribute this miscommunication to the linguistic difficulties. With this in mind, I will refrain from further commentary on this issue until such time as I have ascertained your true meaning.

Yo siendo educadamente escéptica de su comprensión del tema que nos ocupa, y me gustaría atribuir esta falta de comunicación a las dificultades lingüísticas. Con esto en mente, me abstendré de más comentarios sobre este tema hasta el momento en que me he cerciorado de su verdadero significado.
Ok. If you heard voices, you are changing the objetive reality? if you see a ghost, the same? Just question.
No. Sólo respuesta.

Khore

Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 02:31:55 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 02:29:58 PM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.

Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.

I think this is where the language barrier becomes tricky.  We are using the word "reality" in two separate ways.  I am using it in terms of physics: Mass, gravity, subatomic probability fields, and all the rest.  You're using it, it seems to me, as the interpretation of those things.  We can all collectively hallucinate that you have wings, but you'll still plummet to the ground if you try to fly off a building.

Creo que aquí es donde la barrera del idioma se convierte en difícil. Estamos usando la palabra "realidad" de dos maneras diferentes. Lo estoy usando en términos de la física: masa, gravedad, campos subatómicas probabilidad, y todo lo demás. Usted lo está utilizando, me parece a mí, como la interpretación de las cosas. Todos podemos colectivamente alucinaciones que tienen alas, pero aún así caen al suelo si se intenta volar un edificio.

Yes it's true. There are two realities, I wonder if one can interact with each other but do not think so. Although the chapel is that, from a place where you can change the objective reality only through your mind, that's what creates all the bad trip, I guess like a bad acid trip. However, if we can not change the objective reality is we do not know yet. In the future, who knows.

Sí es verdad. Hay dos realidades, me pregunto si una puede interactuar con la otra pero no lo creo. Aunque la Capilla se trata de eso, de un lugar donde sí puedes cambiar la realidad objetiva solo mediante tu mente, eso es lo que crea todo el mal viaje, supongo que como un mal viaje de ácido. De todas maneras, si no podemos cambiar la realidad objetiva todavía es porque no sabemos. En un futuro quien sabe.

Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 21, 2011, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Yes I agree, but would have to see to what extent the "consensus" creates reality. For if a single mind can hallucinate anything, imagine collectively.

Sí estoy de acuerdo, aunque habría que ver hasta que punto el "consenso" crea la realidad. Pues si una sola mente puede alucinar cualquier cosa, imagínense colectivamente.
It doesn't. Reality is objective, even if everyone everywhere *believes* differently

No lo hace. La realidad es objetiva, con independencia de que todos en todas partes *tiene una opinión* diferente.

The reality is divided into the observed and the observer ... I think. Anyway, the reality is based on the exterior and interior, and the interior is different. External reality to us is not that we "ignore" but is indifferent to us, does not happen with the fire that "burns with desire" to burn us.

If we take into account the "Siddhis" maybe if I can change the objective but this might be a myth.


La realidad se divide en la observada y en al del observador... creo. De todas maneras la realidad se basa en la exterior y la interior, y la interior sí es diferente. Para la realidad exterior nosotros no es que nos "ignore" sino que le somos indiferente, no pasa eso con el fuego, que "arde en deseos" de quemarnos.

Si tenemos en cuenta lo de los "Siddhis" quizás si pueda cambiar la objetiva pero eso quizás sea un mito.

I... remain politely skeptical of your grasp on the topic at hand, and would like to attribute this miscommunication to the linguistic difficulties. With this in mind, I will refrain from further commentary on this issue until such time as I have ascertained your true meaning.

Yo siendo educadamente escéptica de su comprensión del tema que nos ocupa, y me gustaría atribuir esta falta de comunicación a las dificultades lingüísticas. Con esto en mente, me abstendré de más comentarios sobre este tema hasta el momento en que me he cerciorado de su verdadero significado.
Ok. If you heard voices, you are changing the objetive reality? if you see a ghost, the same? Just question.
No. Sólo respuesta.
If you take LSD, you are changing the objective reality? objective reality is not exactly what we experience, know, be aware of?

Cain

Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 02:31:08 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 02:11:56 PM
You know who else believed in Platonic metaphysics?

HITLER, that's who.
And the atomic bomb? TRUMAN.
What a silly boy.
And the nuclear energy? EINSTEIN.

:lulz:  Someone doesn't get it.

Cain

Quote from: Khore on December 21, 2011, 02:34:06 PM
If you take LSD, you are changing the objective reality?

It's time for another round of friendly letters.

Dear Khore,

No, you are not.

Yours sincerely,
Cain