I kind of suspect that everyone here knows exactly what I mean.
It takes a bit of above-average, for the most part, to appreciate the humor in Monty Python. I'd be a lying asshole if I said I didn't find that shit mostly pretty funny.
But we all know (especially since we are almost universally from nerd-ass backgrounds) people for whom that is the pinnacle of humor and intellect.
Is it elitist? We all know that one guy, or five or ten of them, who love to advertise how much they love Monty Python, and who quote the shit out of them endlessly.
My question is this: is it wrong, is it elitist, to judge those people as being not smart enough, not independent enough, not jailbroken enough?
What are they not smart/independent/jailbroken enough for?
Quote from: Beardman Meow on December 21, 2011, 05:10:06 AM
What are they not smart/independent/jailbroken enough for?
To move into humor and thinking and trailforging of their own making. It's like they're stuck.
Oh gosh I think I've met people like that.
Somehow I feel that quoting Monty Python is the humor equivalent of talking about the weather - everybody does it, because everyone has been exposed to it and finds it titillating, while not being too dangerous.
Quote from: Nast on December 21, 2011, 05:12:27 AM
Oh gosh I think I've met people like that.
Somehow I feel that quoting Monty Python is the humor equivalent of talking about the weather - everybody does it, because everyone has been exposed to it and finds it titillating, while not being too dangerous.
A SHRUBBERY!
Yes. It seems to me like displaying a particular plumage of pride without a willingness to venture into any dangerous territory at all.
Seems like elitism to me. Then you've got to decide whether that's a bad thing or not.
Should these people want to move into humour/thinking/trailforging of their own, when repeating Monty Python jokes (which I assume gets mostly positive reactions from their peers, otherwise why would they continue) to bond with others over their common familiarity with those jokes, gives them the rewards they want?
Saying that they're not independent enough to do thinking of their own feels somewhat circular. TYFS is a value that we have here that isn't necessarily important to others. I feel like we're using it here to determine how much respect these people. When I asked "what are they not smart/independent/jailbroken enough for?" my immediate thought was "for my respect."
Do you feel like there's any truth to that?
i've met some people like you've mentioned that seem to be 'stuck' in some way with MP.
but i've also met many that will set of MP induced groan that are perfectly unharmed by the habit in regards to their development beyond it.
i think it's just a cultural touchstone that is inherently quotable, so it's easy to fall into it as an outside in joke.
i've met some people that are into, say, Mitch Hedberg like that. they think his quotable one liners are genius and when they are around someone else of that conviction, they endlessly quoted him. (of course, that doesn't stand out as much as the slapsticky MP material) I think i've only seen that twice though, as far as i know, and i would assume that's simply due to numbers...
so, i would say that it's eletist only if you don't recognize that it is a generalization that, while pretty darned general, can still not be applied to the individual. Some people act in a behaviorally identical way as those that are 'stuck' when placed in a group of them.
Quote from: Beardman Meow on December 21, 2011, 05:28:39 AM
Seems like elitism to me. Then you've got to decide whether that's a bad thing or not.
Should these people want to move into humour/thinking/trailforging of their own, when repeating Monty Python jokes (which I assume gets mostly positive reactions from their peers, otherwise why would they continue) to bond with others over their common familiarity with those jokes, gives them the rewards they want?
Saying that they're not independent enough to do thinking of their own feels somewhat circular. TYFS is a value that we have here that isn't necessarily important to others. I feel like we're using it here to determine how much respect these people. When I asked "what are they not smart/independent/jailbroken enough for?" my immediate thought was "for my respect."
Do you feel like there's any truth to that?
Yes, I absolutely think you're on to something. Because my reaction to a person who merely recites re-used intellectual jokes rather than exciting my novelty zone with their own original thoughts is definitely one of boredom and condescention... but only after a certain point. Initially, it is a balance of shared culture... oh, this person is into the same things I get! But after that, without novelty, it becomes recitation, at which point my interest is lost. So sure, that moves into an area of elitism.
Quote from: Iptuous on December 21, 2011, 05:33:08 AM
i've met some people like you've mentioned that seem to be 'stuck' in some way with MP.
but i've also met many that will set of MP induced groan that are perfectly unharmed by the habit in regards to their development beyond it.
i think it's just a cultural touchstone that is inherently quotable, so it's easy to fall into it as an outside in joke.
i've met some people that are into, say, Mitch Hedberg like that. they think his quotable one liners are genius and when they are around someone else of that conviction, they endlessly quoted him. (of course, that doesn't stand out as much as the slapsticky MP material) I think i've only seen that twice though, as far as i know, and i would assume that's simply due to numbers...
so, i would say that it's eletist only if you don't recognize that it is a generalization that, while pretty darned general, can still not be applied to the individual. Some people act in a behaviorally identical way as those that are 'stuck' when placed in a group of them.
Hey, maybe Bigfoot IS blurry. That would make him all the more terrifying!
:lulz: Bigfoot has evolved some combo censor-blur/SEP-field*, eh? Hilarious.
*Somebody Else's Problem, for anyone here who hasn't read Hitchicker's Guide to the Galaxy (wtf?!)
Weirdly enough, we don't really get that over in the UK.
I've met precisely one person to whom Monty Python was the height of wit. Everyone thinks he is a total jackass. Rabid Monty Python fans are somewhere below Trainspotters on the totem pole, because at least Trainspotters go outside and brave the horrendous British weather for their bizarre hobby nobody else cares about.
Sure, Monty Python is funny, and most people here will watch it and enjoy it. But quietly, behind closed doors, where it doesn't bother anyone else.
They aren't jailbroken if they constantly just rehash old humour. It is like rabidly repeating the Principia at Discordians. We get it; we all got it. It was funny and useful at the time. But you're missing the point if you think repeating that stuff over and over is a replacement for innovation! What made Monty Python great was that it was something entirely new. That's what made it great and that's the sort of thing people should be looking for.
People who quote monty python generally have a lot in common with furries
We made a consensus decision to stop doing it at college it was funny for about a week and annoying thereafter. Quoting anything is fine in moderation. Like someone says something and you hit them with an obscure movie reference that they just might get. It's a bonding thing. It's a pop quiz but once in a blue moon is more than enough.
What's worse in my mind isn't quoting python or pop culture it's quoting highbrow shit like Keats or Tennyson. Those fuckers are invariably ten or fifteen times more annoying to me than python or star wars nerds.
I'm with P3nt on this one, it is when people continually quote things or quote in a non sequitur way that is annoying.
Also, I find the thing with Monty Python, is that a lot of their jokes, especially the most quoted ones, were mainly funny because they were unexpected, and thus repetition is even worse for those jokes.
If you are ever feeling lazy though it is a very easy way to troll a forum. Just post a MP quote that is tangentially referrential to the thread at hand and people will go with it. Generally killing the thread outright.
I had to suffer a barbecue with two guys passing snarky comment on everything as that old paedophile from Family Guy, I think. You could see that they wanted to believe it was an in-joke, but really they were terrified of any kind of spontaneous interaction. It really disturbed me.
I don't know whether that's a more extreme example of what you're talking about, or something else entirely.
Yes, it is elitist.
In this fucked up world, I think it's a great thing that anyone can find solace and joy in humor even if it doesn't measure up to someone else's standards.
Besides, we already know that puns are the pinnacle of humor. Those are just an acquired taste that not everyone can quite get.
Quote from: Xooxe on December 21, 2011, 10:57:17 AM
I had to suffer a barbecue with two guys passing snarky comment on everything as that old paedophile from Family Guy, I think. You could see that they wanted to believe it was an in-joke, but really they were terrified of any kind of spontaneous interaction. It really disturbed me.
I don't know whether that's a more extreme example of what you're talking about, or something else entirely.
The idea that there are people out there like that genuinely sent a shiver down my spine. :sad:
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 11:00:47 AM
Yes, it is elitist.
In this fucked up world, I think it's a great thing that anyone can find solace and joy in humor even if it doesn't measure up to someone else's standards.
Besides, we already know that puns are the pinnacle of humor. Those are just an acquired taste that not everyone can quite get.
Passing judgement on Ad Nausium is never elitist.
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 11:00:47 AM
Yes, it is elitist.
In this fucked up world, I think it's a great thing that anyone can find solace and joy in humor even if it doesn't measure up to someone else's standards.
Yeah, I think it's elitist and I think "good on them for enjoying themselves".
But I also think "I would have a hard time not getting upset at repeated Monty Python jokes, as I would have a hard time not getting upset by the people Xooxe describes". I never know whether to discourage my own elitism or just let it be.
Of course by upset I mean "righteously indignant and snarky".
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on December 21, 2011, 11:01:51 AM
Quote from: Xooxe on December 21, 2011, 10:57:17 AM
I had to suffer a barbecue with two guys passing snarky comment on everything as that old paedophile from Family Guy, I think. You could see that they wanted to believe it was an in-joke, but really they were terrified of any kind of spontaneous interaction. It really disturbed me.
I don't know whether that's a more extreme example of what you're talking about, or something else entirely.
The idea that there are people out there like that genuinely sent a shiver down my spine. :sad:
Really? In my experience most of them are like that. Okay so it's not always as obvious as quoting family guy or python but endlessly spewing out rehashed News of the World social commentary? Enthusing about Paris Hilton's new handbag? Cookie cutter statements about the weather? Same fucking shit as far as I'm concerned - a level of conversation that requires little more than basic motor function.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 21, 2011, 11:35:34 AM
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on December 21, 2011, 11:01:51 AM
Quote from: Xooxe on December 21, 2011, 10:57:17 AM
I had to suffer a barbecue with two guys passing snarky comment on everything as that old paedophile from Family Guy, I think. You could see that they wanted to believe it was an in-joke, but really they were terrified of any kind of spontaneous interaction. It really disturbed me.
I don't know whether that's a more extreme example of what you're talking about, or something else entirely.
The idea that there are people out there like that genuinely sent a shiver down my spine. :sad:
Really? In my experience most of them are like that. Okay so it's not always as obvious as quoting family guy or python but endlessly spewing out rehashed News of the World social commentary? Enthusing about Paris Hilton's new handbag? Cookie cutter statements about the weather? Same fucking shit as far as I'm concerned - a level of conversation that requires little more than basic motor function.
Most people are not terrified of spontaneous interaction.
Most people are in fact willing to talk to you, and may even have interesting things to say if you listen. Things which do not come off a script.
Quote from: Beardman Meow on December 21, 2011, 11:05:34 AM
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 11:00:47 AM
Yes, it is elitist.
In this fucked up world, I think it's a great thing that anyone can find solace and joy in humor even if it doesn't measure up to someone else's standards.
Yeah, I think it's elitist and I think "good on them for enjoying themselves".
But I also think "I would have a hard time not getting upset at repeated Monty Python jokes, as I would have a hard time not getting upset by the people Xooxe describes". I never know whether to discourage my own elitism or just let it be.
Of course by upset I mean "righteously indignant and snarky".
Of course, it is one thing to be annoyed by someone who is being annoying. If someone is constantly barraging you with Monty Python jokes, or any jokes, when you just want to be left alone, or aren't really in the mood to hear jokes, I get that and competely agree.
But where I part ways is the general idea that someone who is really into Monty Python, or any kind of humor, is by their very nature something less than others because of that interest in that kind of humor.
Humor is something that should be championed, not judged. We all have different bars in our BIP that draw us to different kind of humor. I thin that diversity is an asset, not a negative.
My major objection to Monty Python humor (and, FWIW, I think some of their stuff is hysterical) is that it gets stale when it's overused... and it's easy to overuse. Almost ANY humor stops being funny when you hear it too often. (One certain man, for example, was going to have both arms amputated at the elbows and fed to him if he didn't knock off the "HUGE tracts of land" bit.)
1. I'd rather hear rehashed MP than someone stuck in Beavis and Butthead mode. heh-heh-heh. He said "mode".
2. It depends how deep the MP people get into the series or movie. It's easy to do the dead parrot sketch or Black Knight, but how many people can pull off the Cheese Shop? Or the Cannibal Undertaker? Or better yet, someone who can do the Second Armoured Division's "close order swanning about"? I have more respect for people who can unearth the obscure sketches.
3. The fish slapping dance (http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=fish+slapping+dance&view=detail&mid=91550FE1F3713C114C4391550FE1F3713C114C43&first=0&FORM=LKVR&adlt=strict) will never get old.
I think the main annoyance is that they are stealing someone elses ability to be funny, and hoping it rubs off on them.
Make your own funny!
It's almost as if they pride themselves in the ability to recite some meaningless bollix by rote. Dude, if that shit impressed me I'd be in church right now. :lulz:
I am serious. and stop calling me "shirley"
all joking aside - i think there is something way deep down in the brain that feels comforted to know that other brains share a fundamental thought process. i would also argue that understanding humor is pretty close to the kernel. (i suddenly wish i knew more about computer science - but i think my analogy is at least sort of right).
with that said, i think faust is right about the furries thing.
i think quoting monty python jokes (or any genre of humor for that matter) is similar to a conversation about, say, beer.
"i enjoy beer"
"i, too, enjoy beer"
"i prefer grolsch - but don't tell anybody i mainly just like to say 'grolsch' "
"i had an oatmeal stout last month that i rather liked"
etc
as for the pinnacle of humor - i like puns but what i really love is the zucker brothers combination of absurdism and what i've taken to calling literalism. literalism being taking things out of context while maintaining their literal truth.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 12:54:10 PM
1. I'd rather hear rehashed MP than someone stuck in Beavis and Butthead mode. heh-heh-heh. He said "mode".
Oh, god, yes. That shit will make want to kick an idiot in the taint.
And moving from bit to bit, especially the obscure stuff, is a hell of a lot funnier than sticking with the same gag, over and over.
Another take on this, I think, is that there is a chance to engage. So you have some knucklehead rattling off a bunch of stale MP jokes, so, maybe a tactic is to redirect the conversation. So why does this guy like MP so much? What does he/she think the jokes mean? Why does he/she think they are funny? Why do they relate to the jokes?
Perhaps there is more to this person than we realize, but they are just waiting for someone to help them go to a deeper level.
My brother and I got stoned last night and did some woody and tinny words.
CARIBOU...
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNEEEEEEEEEE...
My sister wanted to kill us.
...I probably shouldn't announce that. :kingmeh:
Speaking of quoting someone else's funny...
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/monty_python.jpg)
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 01:25:59 PM
Speaking of quoting someone else's funny...
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/monty_python.jpg)
Now THAT
Is exactly what I'm talking about! People who endlessly quote Monty Python seem to me to be pretty much the same thing as people who endlessly repeat jokes out of the PD... smart enough to know it's funny, but not actually
quite smart enough to actually get the joke.
Quote from: Faust on December 21, 2011, 09:37:46 AM
People who quote monty python generally have a lot in common with furries
:lulz:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 21, 2011, 09:46:18 AM
We made a consensus decision to stop doing it at college it was funny for about a week and annoying thereafter. Quoting anything is fine in moderation. Like someone says something and you hit them with an obscure movie reference that they just might get. It's a bonding thing. It's a pop quiz but once in a blue moon is more than enough.
What's worse in my mind isn't quoting python or pop culture it's quoting highbrow shit like Keats or Tennyson. Those fuckers are invariably ten or fifteen times more annoying to me than python or star wars nerds.
The "highbrow" quoters are exactly the kind of people who would be named after a color, a religion, a season, and a bird.
Quote from: Beardman Meow on December 21, 2011, 11:05:34 AM
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 11:00:47 AM
Yes, it is elitist.
In this fucked up world, I think it's a great thing that anyone can find solace and joy in humor even if it doesn't measure up to someone else's standards.
Yeah, I think it's elitist and I think "good on them for enjoying themselves".
But I also think "I would have a hard time not getting upset at repeated Monty Python jokes, as I would have a hard time not getting upset by the people Xooxe describes". I never know whether to discourage my own elitism or just let it be.
Of course by upset I mean "righteously indignant and snarky".
My feeling on it is "good on them for enjoying themselves" in exactly the same way I feel about retarded people masturbating; I don't have a problem with it on principle, I just don't want them doing it anywhere near me.
Quote from: Luna on December 21, 2011, 01:09:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2011, 12:54:10 PM
1. I'd rather hear rehashed MP than someone stuck in Beavis and Butthead mode. heh-heh-heh. He said "mode".
Oh, god, yes. That shit will make want to kick an idiot in the taint.
And moving from bit to bit, especially the obscure stuff, is a hell of a lot funnier than sticking with the same gag, over and over.
I feel similarly about people who endlessly quote the Simpsons... the thing is, Monty Python and the Simpsons are both funny. At times fucking hilarious. But constantly quoting someone else's surrealist funniness just seems like missing the point. Obscure or not.
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 01:12:56 PM
Another take on this, I think, is that there is a chance to engage. So you have some knucklehead rattling off a bunch of stale MP jokes, so, maybe a tactic is to redirect the conversation. So why does this guy like MP so much? What does he/she think the jokes mean? Why does he/she think they are funny? Why do they relate to the jokes?
Perhaps there is more to this person than we realize, but they are just waiting for someone to help them go to a deeper level.
Maybe I should become an evangelist and go to furry conventions.
On the other hand, gross.
Quote from: Beardman Meow on December 21, 2011, 05:10:06 AM
What are they not smart/independent/jailbroken enough for?
To not mindlessly repeat humor that was based on unpredictable behavior and lines?
Quote from: Nigel on December 21, 2011, 01:58:30 PM
Quote from: Beardman Meow on December 21, 2011, 11:05:34 AM
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 11:00:47 AM
Yes, it is elitist.
In this fucked up world, I think it's a great thing that anyone can find solace and joy in humor even if it doesn't measure up to someone else's standards.
Yeah, I think it's elitist and I think "good on them for enjoying themselves".
But I also think "I would have a hard time not getting upset at repeated Monty Python jokes, as I would have a hard time not getting upset by the people Xooxe describes". I never know whether to discourage my own elitism or just let it be.
Of course by upset I mean "righteously indignant and snarky".
My feeling on it is "good on them for enjoying themselves" in exactly the same way I feel about retarded people masturbating; I don't have a problem with it on principle, I just don't want them doing it anywhere near me.
:spittake:
God damnit I got coke all over my laptop and now my coworkers are looking at me funny.
I dunno, I guess unless I knew the person I wouldn't read too much into it. We all have things we really like and enjoy. I'm not sure that this really speaks as a detriment to a person's character, not on its own anyway.
I mean, my daughter for a time was really into Justin Bieber, and would sing Justin Bieber songs. Now, this is a very smart little girl who also is really into and really good at art.
I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not sure that being into a kind of mindless entertainment is necessarily indicative of the quality of one's mind, again, without knowing more about the person.
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 02:15:06 PM
I dunno, I guess unless I knew the person I wouldn't read too much into it. We all have things we really like and enjoy. I'm not sure that this really speaks as a detriment to a person's character, not on its own anyway.
I mean, my daughter for a time was really into Justin Bieber, and would sing Justin Bieber songs. Now, this is a very smart little girl who also is really into and really good at art.
I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not sure that being into a kind of mindless entertainment is necessarily indicative of the quality of one's mind, again, without knowing more about the person.
I am not sure it is completely fair to compare a four-year-old with grown adults, but OK.
On the other hand, maybe it is completely fair to compare a four-year-old with people who constantly quote Monty Python. Hmmmm.
All I know is that frequent Monty Python quotes, in and of themselves, are enough to let me know that I don't want to know more about the person. Unless they are four years old, in which case, I'ma cut them some slack.
Quote from: Suu on December 21, 2011, 01:15:17 PM
My brother and I got stoned last night and did some woody and tinny words.
CARIBOU...
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNEEEEEEEEEE...
My sister wanted to kill us.
...I probably shouldn't announce that. :kingmeh:
But you just did.
Quote from: Nigel on December 21, 2011, 02:18:38 PM
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 02:15:06 PM
I dunno, I guess unless I knew the person I wouldn't read too much into it. We all have things we really like and enjoy. I'm not sure that this really speaks as a detriment to a person's character, not on its own anyway.
I mean, my daughter for a time was really into Justin Bieber, and would sing Justin Bieber songs. Now, this is a very smart little girl who also is really into and really good at art.
I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not sure that being into a kind of mindless entertainment is necessarily indicative of the quality of one's mind, again, without knowing more about the person.
I am not sure it is completely fair to compare a four-year-old with grown adults, but OK.
On the other hand, maybe it is completely fair to compare a four-year-old with people who constantly quote Monty Python. Hmmmm.
All I know is that frequent Monty Python quotes, in and of themselves, are enough to let me know that I don't want to know more about the person. Unless they are four years old, in which case, I'ma cut them some slack.
Okay, change it to a 23 year old who really likes The Office. So what? Your question was about using this as a method for judging a person's intelligence. What I'm saying is that I don't think it is an accurate, nor fair, test. I mean, this board has gone through phases where internet memes were repeated ad nauseum. Does that make us a bunch of dullards? Of course not.
All I'm saying is that I don't think it is a fair assessment in and of itself without knowing more about a person. They could be stuck. They could just really, really like Monty Python. Who knows?
ahahah.
so, after i mentioned mitch hedberg, and freeky quoted him, i pulled up his wikiquote page, cause it's a decent way to blow a few minutes. i clicked on his wikipedia article, cause i forgot how he died precisesly. in the opening paragraph it says that he gained a cult following that would sometimes call out the punchline to his joke from the audience before he did!
that thar is the worst manifestation of this particular malady, i think.
Maybe MP, despite what they've said, actually focused their marketing here in the states so as to avoid the possibility of that. It would seem wise, if you are going to base a humor career on non sequitur to build your cult in a foreign country...
Not surprisingly, Live Action RPGs are a hotbed of people who are just awful.
Excessive Monty Python quoting is a signal flare that you shouldn't invite that guy on the dungeon crawl.
The game's rulebook has a "miscellaneous rules" section. One of them reads "For the love of god, please keep the Monty Python to an absolute minimum."
Quote from: Iptuous on December 21, 2011, 03:02:38 PM
ahahah.
so, after i mentioned mitch hedberg, and freeky quoted him, i pulled up his wikiquote page, cause it's a decent way to blow a few minutes. i clicked on his wikipedia article, cause i forgot how he died precisesly. in the opening paragraph it says that he gained a cult following that would sometimes call out the punchline to his joke from the audience before he did!that thar is the worst manifestation of this particular malady, i think.
Maybe MP, despite what they've said, actually focused their marketing here in the states so as to avoid the possibility of that. It would seem wise, if you are going to base a humor career on non sequitur to build your cult in a foreign country...
I can't remember precisely where it's from, but there's some bit where a comedian just calls out punchlines without the setup, because the jokes were so well known.
Saying, ".....with a HERRING!" seems to be a similar sort of thing.
Quote from: Cramulus on December 21, 2011, 03:07:06 PM
Not surprisingly, Live Action RPGs are a hotbed of people who are just awful.
Excessive Monty Python quoting is a signal flare that you shouldn't invite that guy on the dungeon crawl.
The game's rulebook has a "miscellaneous rules" section. One of them reads "For the love of god, please keep the Monty Python to an absolute minimum."
:lulz: You know it's a phenomenon when it actually has to be spelled out in a rulebook for an activity that is not even related to Monty Python.
I think it should go in every rulebook, ever. And employee handbooks.
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 11:00:47 AM
Yes, it is elitist.
In this fucked up world, I think it's a great thing that anyone can find solace and joy in humor even if it doesn't measure up to someone else's standards.
Besides, we already know that puns are the pinnacle of humor. Those are just an acquired taste that not everyone can quite get.
No, they aren't.
I now hate you for 24 hours.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 21, 2011, 06:21:03 PM
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 11:00:47 AM
Yes, it is elitist.
In this fucked up world, I think it's a great thing that anyone can find solace and joy in humor even if it doesn't measure up to someone else's standards.
Besides, we already know that puns are the pinnacle of humor. Those are just an acquired taste that not everyone can quite get.
No, they aren't.
I now hate you for 24 hours.
Truth. Seeing. Man take a shot to the groin is the pinnacle of humor.
:hide:
Quote from: Luna on December 21, 2011, 06:32:36 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 21, 2011, 06:21:03 PM
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 11:00:47 AM
Yes, it is elitist.
In this fucked up world, I think it's a great thing that anyone can find solace and joy in humor even if it doesn't measure up to someone else's standards.
Besides, we already know that puns are the pinnacle of humor. Those are just an acquired taste that not everyone can quite get.
No, they aren't.
I now hate you for 24 hours.
Truth. Seeing. Man take a shot to the groin is the pinnacle of humor.
:hide:
Idiocracy: Actual Prophecy.
:lol:
The pinacle of humor is Walmart at 5-6AM on Black Friday. It is the perfect, hilarious snapshot of the human condition.
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 02:15:06 PM
I dunno, I guess unless I knew the person I wouldn't read too much into it. We all have things we really like and enjoy. I'm not sure that this really speaks as a detriment to a person's character, not on its own anyway.
I mean, my daughter for a time was really into Justin Bieber, and would sing Justin Bieber songs. Now, this is a very smart little girl who also is really into and really good at art.
I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not sure that being into a kind of mindless entertainment is necessarily indicative of the quality of one's mind, again, without knowing more about the person.
Yea, pretty much this. I have a hard time being snobby about things like music and humor, because if it makes someone else happy, who am I to judge. I'll laugh at things that are all witty and subtle, but I also have no problem laughing at slapstick and potty jokes. I may not laugh at every instance of "humor" between either end of the spectrum, but if something strikes a chord with my funny bone and can make me forget how shitty everything is, I'll sit there giggling like an idiot. "Wow that movie was really stupid, but I laughed through half of it so, whatever." And I've long since given up on trying to figure out what "good" music is outside of whether I enjoy it or not. Some of what I listen to *I* think is awful in some sense, but if it makes me laugh or happy momentarily, that's good enough for me.
So while I might be a bit skeptical of someone that likes Justin Beiber's music or finds Jeff Dunham funny, I'll reserve my judgment until I find out a bit more about that person or if it's someone I know, I might poke a bit of fun, but in all reality, I could care less, if it makes them happy.
That being said, someone who constantly just regurgitates the same thing over and over, especially in place of trying to develop their own sense of humor can get annoying and dull pretty quickly. Yea, quoting some Monty Python, or Mel Brooks, or Simpsons can help establish that we have a similar sense of humor but if that's ALL you can say, then, meh
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 02:28:43 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 21, 2011, 02:18:38 PM
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 02:15:06 PM
I dunno, I guess unless I knew the person I wouldn't read too much into it. We all have things we really like and enjoy. I'm not sure that this really speaks as a detriment to a person's character, not on its own anyway.
I mean, my daughter for a time was really into Justin Bieber, and would sing Justin Bieber songs. Now, this is a very smart little girl who also is really into and really good at art.
I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not sure that being into a kind of mindless entertainment is necessarily indicative of the quality of one's mind, again, without knowing more about the person.
I am not sure it is completely fair to compare a four-year-old with grown adults, but OK.
On the other hand, maybe it is completely fair to compare a four-year-old with people who constantly quote Monty Python. Hmmmm.
All I know is that frequent Monty Python quotes, in and of themselves, are enough to let me know that I don't want to know more about the person. Unless they are four years old, in which case, I'ma cut them some slack.
Okay, change it to a 23 year old who really likes The Office. So what? Your question was about using this as a method for judging a person's intelligence. What I'm saying is that I don't think it is an accurate, nor fair, test. I mean, this board has gone through phases where internet memes were repeated ad nauseum. Does that make us a bunch of dullards? Of course not.
All I'm saying is that I don't think it is a fair assessment in and of itself without knowing more about a person. They could be stuck. They could just really, really like Monty Python. Who knows?
It's interesting that you mention internet memes because I hate them so much.
Partially because they're retarded most of the time, but the other part is just the sheer repetition. If I see a place with too many memes in one spot (like the comments on any of the failblog associated sites), I just move on. It's annoying and I know I'm not going to get any content, and I fail to understand how people can just spend their lives repeating other people's one-off jokes.
Sure everyone uses a MP quote here and there. But it's how you do it.
Back in the day, when I referred to my place as Kevingrad for shits and giggles, I once got into a long winded ramble about how I don't have time to have fun anymore and how I don't have any Kevin time.
So, of course, after I was done, one of my friends pipes says in a cheesy German accent, "No... no fun in Kevingrad."
Which was funny.
As were the captions on any pictures people took on me that said, "Stop. Kevin time." in the following week. But they petered out and now only get referenced occasionally. To do more would be to kill the joke.
That's actually a pretty good definition for a meme. A joke that ought to have been let to die.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 21, 2011, 06:21:03 PM
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 11:00:47 AM
Yes, it is elitist.
In this fucked up world, I think it's a great thing that anyone can find solace and joy in humor even if it doesn't measure up to someone else's standards.
Besides, we already know that puns are the pinnacle of humor. Those are just an acquired taste that not everyone can quite get.
No, they aren't.
I now hate you for 24 hours.
There's no accounting for taste! ;)
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 06:40:50 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 21, 2011, 06:21:03 PM
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 11:00:47 AM
Yes, it is elitist.
In this fucked up world, I think it's a great thing that anyone can find solace and joy in humor even if it doesn't measure up to someone else's standards.
Besides, we already know that puns are the pinnacle of humor. Those are just an acquired taste that not everyone can quite get.
No, they aren't.
I now hate you for 24 hours.
There's no accounting for taste! ;)
You're right. But I'm pretty sure it's generally agreed that puns are closer to the nadir of humor.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 06:34:53 PM
The pinacle of humor is Walmart at 5-6AM on Black Friday. It is the perfect, hilarious snapshot of the human condition.
Somehow this has been the most compelling reason for visiting AMERICA I've seen so far.
Quote from: Waffle Iron on December 21, 2011, 07:16:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 06:34:53 PM
The pinacle of humor is Walmart at 5-6AM on Black Friday. It is the perfect, hilarious snapshot of the human condition.
Somehow this has been the most compelling reason for visiting AMERICA I've seen so far.
We have experience hosting Eurospags. Come play!
I don't think it has anything to do with intelligence. I think it has everything to do with a sense of humor.
People who are funny - actually funny, can just say pretty ordinary things and make them funny. It's about the outlook, the delivery, timing, etc. People who aren't funny will take someone else's humor and try to make it work for them. There's an episode of The Office (American) where the boss quotes Chris Rock's Niggas vs. Black People bit and it's absolutely terrible (hah, I just spoke out against reference humor by referencing humor), that's what it's like all the time, whethere it's Simpsons or 30 Rock or Monty Python.
Now, humor can still be had from those things, in a group of people fondly remembering them. I think a good Simpsons quote can be great in some situations, but you can't just walk around hoping to quote Simpsons and having quotes set aside for any occassion - and you have to know your audience (which is part of being funny).
Judging a person's intelligence on their sense of humor, though, makes about as much sense as judging it on their creativity, or their athletic ability. There are smart jocks and dumb artists, just like there are brilliant people with no damn sense of humor.
Me, I don't find Monty Python to be exceptionally funny. It's great, yeah, but I never really had a Monty Python phase.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on December 21, 2011, 09:24:34 PM
People who are funny - actually funny, can just say pretty ordinary things and make them funny. It's about the outlook, the delivery, timing, etc.
I vividly remember a scene early on in the movie Hook, where Robin Williams's character is telling a joke... Badly. It's... PAINFUL to watch.
It seems to me that repeating the same recycled jokes over and over is related to a relative lack of intelligence, and not merely a lack of being funny. Because most of the jokes in Monty Python ARE funny. Likewise the jokes in The Simpsons. Making a Monty Python or Simpsons reference now and then can be funny rather than annoying.
It's the repetitive part that seems most telling to me. Perhaps it's not lack of intelligence, but some form of OCD or a mask for social anxiety; who knows. I do know that people who do this are usually excruciatingly boring to hang out with. It's not that they're stupid, either; Monty Python seems to appeal to more intelligent people rather than less intelligent people. It's more like it just happens to hit a sweet spot with certain people who for some reason think it's the pinnacle of cleverness to recite lines from it over and over and over and over again whenever something reminds them.
I suspect social ineptitude is closer to the mark as well.
As a rule, intelligence is linked to memory and the ability to transpose learned material into different conceptual environments...while it's not a very productive use of intelligence, it takes some to understand the joke, memorize it and deploy it in a different setting.
There is also an element of OCD about it, to me. I don't know about anyone else, but unless I watch a film obsessively, I have trouble remembering more than a few lines of it after a couple of weeks.
There is, by the way, a correlation between humor and intelligence. I wanted to post links to studies but you need an account to view most of them and I don't have one so I can't even do pullquotes, but here's one that's small but OK: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=studies%3B%20humor%20and%20intelligence&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDgQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.epjournal.net%2Ffilestore%2Fep06652666.pdf&ei=oF7yTqeFMqiGiQLr89i-Dg&usg=AFQjCNGHvnM7aej1sRTUOketM50lbG6FMQ&cad=rja
The interesting thing is that not only does higher intelligence seem to predict a greater ability to make others laugh, but exposure to humor also increases certain types of intelligence. Neat!
(I know, it's that evolutionary psychology mumbo-jumbo.)
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 10:34:40 PM
I suspect social ineptitude is closer to the mark as well.
As a rule, intelligence is linked to memory and the ability to transpose learned material into different conceptual environments...while it's not a very productive use of intelligence, it takes some to understand the joke, memorize it and deploy it in a different setting.
There is also an element of OCD about it, to me. I don't know about anyone else, but unless I watch a film obsessively, I have trouble remembering more than a few lines of it after a couple of weeks.
I bet you're right about the OCD.
One study I don't have full access to linked humor with emotional intelligence as well, which makes perfect sense.
I also recall something about OCD being linked to social anxiety, though I haven't seen anything more recent than, say, 2005 on that, so I'm not 100% certain it is still considered to be the case.
I used to think the same thing about some of the people I knew and their incessant quoting. I used to cringe when I heard people recite the "Why are we here?" skit from Red vs. Blue for the billionth time.
Then I spent a year of high school repeating a math class I had already passed(long story) along with other "special" cases. Every day it was "OH MY GOD DID YOU SEE THE LATEST EPISODE OF FAMILY GUY?"
The entire year all I heard was family guy quotes. I never watched an episode but I could probably recite each one like fucking scripture. When we had extra time at the end of class they would all huddle around an I-pod and watch family guy, and they would laugh. They would laugh so god damn loud that it corroded my very soul.
So whenever my friends quote 70's Show or Monty Python or whatever it is that they've been watching on netflix lately, I don't complain. Once you've felt the flames of Hell an ordinary blaze just doesn't seem that hot.
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 10:39:26 PM
I also recall something about OCD being linked to social anxiety, though I haven't seen anything more recent than, say, 2005 on that, so I'm not 100% certain it is still considered to be the case.
As far as I know the current knowledge is that they have a tendency to be comorbid.
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on December 21, 2011, 11:23:34 PM
I used to think the same thing about some of the people I knew and their incessant quoting. I used to cringe when I heard people recite the "Why are we here?" skit from Red vs. Blue for the billionth time.
Then I spent a year of high school repeating a math class I had already passed(long story) along with other "special" cases. Every day it was "OH MY GOD DID YOU SEE THE LATEST EPISODE OF FAMILY GUY?"
The entire year all I heard was family guy quotes. I never watched an episode but I could probably recite each one like fucking scripture. When we had extra time at the end of class they would all huddle around an I-pod and watch family guy, and they would laugh. They would laugh so god damn loud that it corroded my very soul.
So whenever my friends quote 70's Show or Monty Python or whatever it is that they've been watching on netflix lately, I don't complain. Once you've felt the flames of Hell an ordinary blaze just doesn't seem that hot.
:lulz: Oh my god.
So far, you're not dissuading me from my theory that obsessively repeating lines from a TV series or movie is a sign of lower intelligence...
Quote from: Nigel on December 21, 2011, 11:26:26 PM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on December 21, 2011, 11:23:34 PM
I used to think the same thing about some of the people I knew and their incessant quoting. I used to cringe when I heard people recite the "Why are we here?" skit from Red vs. Blue for the billionth time.
Then I spent a year of high school repeating a math class I had already passed(long story) along with other "special" cases. Every day it was "OH MY GOD DID YOU SEE THE LATEST EPISODE OF FAMILY GUY?"
The entire year all I heard was family guy quotes. I never watched an episode but I could probably recite each one like fucking scripture. When we had extra time at the end of class they would all huddle around an I-pod and watch family guy, and they would laugh. They would laugh so god damn loud that it corroded my very soul.
So whenever my friends quote 70's Show or Monty Python or whatever it is that they've been watching on netflix lately, I don't complain. Once you've felt the flames of Hell an ordinary blaze just doesn't seem that hot.
:lulz: Oh my god.
So far, you're not dissuading me from my theory that obsessively repeating lines from a TV series or movie is a sign of lower intelligence...
I think it has more to do with social anxiety. An original comment or joke carries the risk of people not liking it. Quotes are socially safe territory.
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on December 21, 2011, 11:43:09 PM
I think it has more to do with social anxiety. An original comment or joke carries the risk of people not liking it. Quotes are socially safe territory.
This makes sense. I have used this tactic many times, and then switched over to more risky stuff later when I get to know people better.
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 10:34:40 PM
There is also an element of OCD about it, to me. I don't know about anyone else, but unless I watch a film obsessively, I have trouble remembering more than a few lines of it after a couple of weeks.
I can't do movies as well as I can do books, but if someone sets up the situation right and gets the quote wrong I usually know it.
I am insanely good at remembering exact words in books, but I think this is a different thing...
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 02:28:43 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 21, 2011, 02:18:38 PM
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 02:15:06 PM
I dunno, I guess unless I knew the person I wouldn't read too much into it. We all have things we really like and enjoy. I'm not sure that this really speaks as a detriment to a person's character, not on its own anyway.
I mean, my daughter for a time was really into Justin Bieber, and would sing Justin Bieber songs. Now, this is a very smart little girl who also is really into and really good at art.
I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not sure that being into a kind of mindless entertainment is necessarily indicative of the quality of one's mind, again, without knowing more about the person.
I am not sure it is completely fair to compare a four-year-old with grown adults, but OK.
On the other hand, maybe it is completely fair to compare a four-year-old with people who constantly quote Monty Python. Hmmmm.
All I know is that frequent Monty Python quotes, in and of themselves, are enough to let me know that I don't want to know more about the person. Unless they are four years old, in which case, I'ma cut them some slack.
Okay, change it to a 23 year old who really likes The Office. So what? Your question was about using this as a method for judging a person's intelligence. What I'm saying is that I don't think it is an accurate, nor fair, test. I mean, this board has gone through phases where internet memes were repeated ad nauseum. Does that make us a bunch of dullards? Of course not.
All I'm saying is that I don't think it is a fair assessment in and of itself without knowing more about a person. They could be stuck. They could just really, really like Monty Python. Who knows?
Or... DOES it?
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on December 21, 2011, 11:43:09 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 21, 2011, 11:26:26 PM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on December 21, 2011, 11:23:34 PM
I used to think the same thing about some of the people I knew and their incessant quoting. I used to cringe when I heard people recite the "Why are we here?" skit from Red vs. Blue for the billionth time.
Then I spent a year of high school repeating a math class I had already passed(long story) along with other "special" cases. Every day it was "OH MY GOD DID YOU SEE THE LATEST EPISODE OF FAMILY GUY?"
The entire year all I heard was family guy quotes. I never watched an episode but I could probably recite each one like fucking scripture. When we had extra time at the end of class they would all huddle around an I-pod and watch family guy, and they would laugh. They would laugh so god damn loud that it corroded my very soul.
So whenever my friends quote 70's Show or Monty Python or whatever it is that they've been watching on netflix lately, I don't complain. Once you've felt the flames of Hell an ordinary blaze just doesn't seem that hot.
:lulz: Oh my god.
So far, you're not dissuading me from my theory that obsessively repeating lines from a TV series or movie is a sign of lower intelligence...
I think it has more to do with social anxiety. An original comment or joke carries the risk of people not liking it. Quotes are socially safe territory.
...and more intelligent people (up to a point*) are more likely to engage in exploratory behavior.
*People at the highest ranges of the "IQ" score tend to be what society usually considers losers.
I don't think I've ever met anyone over the age of 25 who showed signs of Chronic Monty Python Quoting Syndrome.
There seems to be an element of critical mass, where if you get enough nerds together in one place, it sets of a cascade effect, and then Spanish Inquisition!
Quote from: Emo Howard on December 22, 2011, 08:39:21 PM
I don't think I've ever met anyone over the age of 25 who showed signs of Chronic Monty Python Quoting Syndrome.
The worst offenders are gamers over 30 years old.
Quote from: Emo Howard on December 22, 2011, 08:39:21 PM
I don't think I've ever met anyone over the age of 25 who showed signs of Chronic Monty Python Quoting Syndrome.
There seems to be an element of critical mass, where if you get enough nerds together in one place, it sets of a cascade effect, and then Spanish Inquisition!
:argh!:
You apparently don't hang around with old people.
"Three is the number of the counting, and the number of the counting shall be three!"
/
:gheyforum:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 08:40:06 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on December 22, 2011, 08:39:21 PM
I don't think I've ever met anyone over the age of 25 who showed signs of Chronic Monty Python Quoting Syndrome.
The worst offenders are gamers over 30 years old.
I've only ever witnessed the phenomenon at D&D meetings (or whatever we called them) and sci-fi/fantasy conventions back in the early early 90's.
I mean, sometimes it's fun to just be silly, and I don't see how that reflects on someone's intelligence. Maybe that's not what this thread is about. Maybe it's about some other phenomenon that we just don't have in Teh South. Maybe there just aren't enough MP nerds to reach critical mass around here for it to become a thing.
I suspect it may be a matter of socially awkward people having a moment with some other socially awkward people and that just kind of turns into a "This is who we are. This is what we do." kind of thing. It becomes part of their identity.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 22, 2011, 08:40:55 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on December 22, 2011, 08:39:21 PM
I don't think I've ever met anyone over the age of 25 who showed signs of Chronic Monty Python Quoting Syndrome.
There seems to be an element of critical mass, where if you get enough nerds together in one place, it sets of a cascade effect, and then Spanish Inquisition!
:argh!:
You apparently don't hang around with old people.
"Three is the number of the counting, and the number of the counting shall be three!"
/
:gheyforum:
I'm almost 40. I was introduced to Monty Python when I was 18, and was over it by the time I was 22.
Oh, and, uh... "NI!"
Quote from: Emo Howard on December 22, 2011, 08:53:13 PM
Oh, and, uh... "NI!"
And a shrubbery.
I don't run into them as much as I used to, honestly. Which makes it all the more offputting when I'm alone in a room with one and everything seems to elicit a Monty Python quote.
I'd quote from Jabberwocky, but that's probably too underground for you guys.
TGRR,
MP Hipster.
My testament to how pervasive they are: I know Monty Python quotes from movies and episodes I've never even seen. I have no fucking idea what the references MEAN, but I recognize them anyway.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 08:56:18 PM
I'd quote from Jabberwocky, but that's probably too underground for you guys.
TGRR,
MP Hipster.
I actually love it, now, when people quote from Lewis Carroll. Even though when I was a kid that seemed like the height of pinealism.
At least now I can think "YOU READ A BOOK!"
Quote from: Nigel on December 22, 2011, 08:58:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 08:56:18 PM
I'd quote from Jabberwocky, but that's probably too underground for you guys.
TGRR,
MP Hipster.
I actually love it, now, when people quote from Lewis Carroll. Even though when I was a kid that seemed like the height of pinealism.
At least now I can think "YOU READ A BOOK!"
Ahem. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky_(film))
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 22, 2011, 09:00:17 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 22, 2011, 08:58:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 08:56:18 PM
I'd quote from Jabberwocky, but that's probably too underground for you guys.
TGRR,
MP Hipster.
I actually love it, now, when people quote from Lewis Carroll. Even though when I was a kid that seemed like the height of pinealism.
At least now I can think "YOU READ A BOOK!"
Ahem. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky_(film))
169% Hipster WIN.
Do we have a hipster emote?
Quote from: Nigel on December 22, 2011, 08:55:29 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on December 22, 2011, 08:53:13 PM
Oh, and, uh... "NI!"
And a shrubbery.
I don't run into them as much as I used to, honestly. Which makes it all the more offputting when I'm alone in a room with one and everything seems to elicit a Monty Python quote.
Yeah, I don't think we have those people around here.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 08:56:18 PM
I'd quote from Jabberwocky, but that's probably too underground for you guys.
TGRR,
MP Hipster.
I'm just going to start quoting funny Python code.
I'll have to get back with you on that. I can't think of any right now.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 08:56:18 PM
I'd quote from Jabberwocky, but that's probably too underground for you guys.
TGRR,
MP Hipster.
:crankey:
Quote from: Nigel on December 22, 2011, 08:55:29 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on December 22, 2011, 08:53:13 PM
Oh, and, uh... "NI!"
And a shrubbery.
I don't run into them as much as I used to, honestly. Which makes it all the more offputting when I'm alone in a room with one and everything seems to elicit a Monty Python quote.
And your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries.
What irritates ME the most is tat they quote the least amusing lines from the sketch. We have a couple in our regular Friday night game wo
just won't shut the fuck up AUGH. It's more the newest guy who does that, and he is otherwise cool, but Jesus Crist we get it, you watched fucking Monty Python.
SHUT
UP.
fucking "h" key won't register I press it sometimes. :argh!:
Godawful show. Can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would watch it.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 22, 2011, 09:00:17 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 22, 2011, 08:58:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 08:56:18 PM
I'd quote from Jabberwocky, but that's probably too underground for you guys.
TGRR,
MP Hipster.
I actually love it, now, when people quote from Lewis Carroll. Even though when I was a kid that seemed like the height of pinealism.
At least now I can think "YOU READ A BOOK!"
Ahem. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky_(film))
:crankey:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 08:56:18 PM
I'd quote from Jabberwocky, but that's probably too underground for you guys.
TGRR,
MP Hipster.
Pah. I'm going to start quoting from Yellowbeard.
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 22, 2011, 11:34:08 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 22, 2011, 08:55:29 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on December 22, 2011, 08:53:13 PM
Oh, and, uh... "NI!"
And a shrubbery.
I don't run into them as much as I used to, honestly. Which makes it all the more offputting when I'm alone in a room with one and everything seems to elicit a Monty Python quote.
And your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries.
What irritates ME the most is tat they quote the least amusing lines from the sketch. We have a couple in our regular Friday night game wo just won't shut the fuck up AUGH. It's more the newest guy who does that, and he is otherwise cool, but Jesus Crist we get it, you watched fucking Monty Python.
SHUT
UP.
fucking "h" key won't register I press it sometimes. :argh!:
Quarter jar, Freeky. Set out a jar, they have to put in a quarter for every Python quote.
We had one for puns (they'd gotten bad enough to disrupt the game). The worst offender got into the habit of walking in, tossing a fiver in the jar, and we let him know when it ran out.
It funded pizza every couple weeks.
Quote from: Luna on December 23, 2011, 02:51:27 AM
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 22, 2011, 11:34:08 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 22, 2011, 08:55:29 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on December 22, 2011, 08:53:13 PM
Oh, and, uh... "NI!"
And a shrubbery.
I don't run into them as much as I used to, honestly. Which makes it all the more offputting when I'm alone in a room with one and everything seems to elicit a Monty Python quote.
And your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries.
What irritates ME the most is tat they quote the least amusing lines from the sketch. We have a couple in our regular Friday night game wo just won't shut the fuck up AUGH. It's more the newest guy who does that, and he is otherwise cool, but Jesus Crist we get it, you watched fucking Monty Python.
SHUT
UP.
fucking "h" key won't register I press it sometimes. :argh!:
Quarter jar, Freeky. Set out a jar, they have to put in a quarter for every Python quote.
We had one for puns (they'd gotten bad enough to disrupt the game). The worst offender got into the habit of walking in, tossing a fiver in the jar, and we let him know when it ran out.
It funded pizza every couple weeks.
THIS.
is
BRILLIANT!
I have no idea why I've never thought of this before. It's such a great idea.
Quote from: Mangrove on December 23, 2011, 12:16:13 AM
Godawful show. Can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would watch it.
Aha! Antisemitism!
Quote from: Nigel on December 21, 2011, 05:03:17 AM
I kind of suspect that everyone here knows exactly what I mean.
It takes a bit of above-average, for the most part, to appreciate the humor in Monty Python. I'd be a lying asshole if I said I didn't find that shit mostly pretty funny.
But we all know (especially since we are almost universally from nerd-ass backgrounds) people for whom that is the pinnacle of humor and intellect.
Is it elitist? We all know that one guy, or five or ten of them, who love to advertise how much they love Monty Python, and who quote the shit out of them endlessly.
My question is this: is it wrong, is it elitist, to judge those people as being not smart enough, not independent enough, not jailbroken enough?
Not only is it not wrong to judge those people, it's also not wrong to
slap them until their fucking mouth falls off.
Quote from: Nigel on December 23, 2011, 02:53:25 AM
Quote from: Luna on December 23, 2011, 02:51:27 AM
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 22, 2011, 11:34:08 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 22, 2011, 08:55:29 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on December 22, 2011, 08:53:13 PM
Oh, and, uh... "NI!"
And a shrubbery.
I don't run into them as much as I used to, honestly. Which makes it all the more offputting when I'm alone in a room with one and everything seems to elicit a Monty Python quote.
And your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries.
What irritates ME the most is tat they quote the least amusing lines from the sketch. We have a couple in our regular Friday night game wo just won't shut the fuck up AUGH. It's more the newest guy who does that, and he is otherwise cool, but Jesus Crist we get it, you watched fucking Monty Python.
SHUT
UP.
fucking "h" key won't register I press it sometimes. :argh!:
Quarter jar, Freeky. Set out a jar, they have to put in a quarter for every Python quote.
We had one for puns (they'd gotten bad enough to disrupt the game). The worst offender got into the habit of walking in, tossing a fiver in the jar, and we let him know when it ran out.
It funded pizza every couple weeks.
THIS.
is
BRILLIANT!
I have no idea why I've never thought of this before. It's such a great idea.
Thanks, but I can't take credit. The idea was adapted from the "cussing jar" from when I was a kid. (Back then, a quarter was a whole comic book.)
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 02:28:43 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 21, 2011, 02:18:38 PM
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 21, 2011, 02:15:06 PM
I dunno, I guess unless I knew the person I wouldn't read too much into it. We all have things we really like and enjoy. I'm not sure that this really speaks as a detriment to a person's character, not on its own anyway.
I mean, my daughter for a time was really into Justin Bieber, and would sing Justin Bieber songs. Now, this is a very smart little girl who also is really into and really good at art.
I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not sure that being into a kind of mindless entertainment is necessarily indicative of the quality of one's mind, again, without knowing more about the person.
I am not sure it is completely fair to compare a four-year-old with grown adults, but OK.
On the other hand, maybe it is completely fair to compare a four-year-old with people who constantly quote Monty Python. Hmmmm.
All I know is that frequent Monty Python quotes, in and of themselves, are enough to let me know that I don't want to know more about the person. Unless they are four years old, in which case, I'ma cut them some slack.
Okay, change it to a 23 year old who really likes The Office. So what? Your question was about using this as a method for judging a person's intelligence. What I'm saying is that I don't think it is an accurate, nor fair, test. I mean, this board has gone through phases where internet memes were repeated ad nauseum. Does that make us a bunch of dullards? Of course not.
All I'm saying is that I don't think it is a fair assessment in and of itself without knowing more about a person. They could be stuck. They could just really, really like Monty Python. Who knows?
I'm judging your intelligence for going into paladin mode and trying to make a serious discussion out of what started as an obvious piss-take on some of the world's most obnoxious people.
Quote from: Luna on December 23, 2011, 03:58:14 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 23, 2011, 02:53:25 AM
Quote from: Luna on December 23, 2011, 02:51:27 AM
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 22, 2011, 11:34:08 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 22, 2011, 08:55:29 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on December 22, 2011, 08:53:13 PM
Oh, and, uh... "NI!"
And a shrubbery.
I don't run into them as much as I used to, honestly. Which makes it all the more offputting when I'm alone in a room with one and everything seems to elicit a Monty Python quote.
And your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries.
What irritates ME the most is tat they quote the least amusing lines from the sketch. We have a couple in our regular Friday night game wo just won't shut the fuck up AUGH. It's more the newest guy who does that, and he is otherwise cool, but Jesus Crist we get it, you watched fucking Monty Python.
SHUT
UP.
fucking "h" key won't register I press it sometimes. :argh!:
Quarter jar, Freeky. Set out a jar, they have to put in a quarter for every Python quote.
We had one for puns (they'd gotten bad enough to disrupt the game). The worst offender got into the habit of walking in, tossing a fiver in the jar, and we let him know when it ran out.
It funded pizza every couple weeks.
THIS.
is
BRILLIANT!
I have no idea why I've never thought of this before. It's such a great idea.
Thanks, but I can't take credit. The idea was adapted from the "cussing jar" from when I was a kid. (Back then, a quarter was a whole comic book.)
I totally get that, but the brilliant part is adapting it from swearing to take advantage of something that's actually obnoxious.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 23, 2011, 03:53:02 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 21, 2011, 05:03:17 AM
I kind of suspect that everyone here knows exactly what I mean.
It takes a bit of above-average, for the most part, to appreciate the humor in Monty Python. I'd be a lying asshole if I said I didn't find that shit mostly pretty funny.
But we all know (especially since we are almost universally from nerd-ass backgrounds) people for whom that is the pinnacle of humor and intellect.
Is it elitist? We all know that one guy, or five or ten of them, who love to advertise how much they love Monty Python, and who quote the shit out of them endlessly.
My question is this: is it wrong, is it elitist, to judge those people as being not smart enough, not independent enough, not jailbroken enough?
Not only is it not wrong to judge those people, it's also not wrong to slap them until their fucking mouth falls off.
Seriously, man, in my head I am totally doing that
all the time. :lol:
Jeez, I'm glad I didn't know you when I was younger.
...I got better...
:aaaah:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 23, 2011, 04:40:45 PM
Jeez, I'm glad I didn't know you when I was younger.
...I got better...
:aaaah:
:lulz:
It helped. Didn't cure the problem, but it cut back.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 23, 2011, 04:40:45 PM
Jeez, I'm glad I didn't know you when I was younger.
...I got better...
:aaaah:
:lol:
I used to quote Monty Python when I was younger. But only with a certain group of friends, and those friends did it more, anyway.
For some reason, it never really was a problem during tabletop D&D RPGs. Probably because the two groups I played with for the longest were either not the Monty Python quoting type and/or everybody had their own unique original brands of humour so they didn't really need to quote much. Except maybe the latest stupid movie or "joecartoon" Internet Flash cartoon they watched, which barely managed to be uncommon enough to get really irritating. Plus, we were playing a game of D&D and Monty Python just wasn't in it.
The first time my character used Dimension Door (short-range teleport) to get us out of a deep pit, I mimed touching something on my chest and said "Energize". It got a few groans and giggles, but mostly the reaction was that it was out-of-character for my character to say this, and the other player characters responded like I just said something crazy/confusing.
I did make a lot of puns, though.
Oh ... and I just recalled that I
did name my first and longest-playing character "Tim", indeed after the wizard in
Search for the Holy Grail, but by the time he finally got the ability to throw fireballs (like in the MP movie), the character was developed so far that he was never really anything like MP's "Tim". Also, his full named was Timothy Dalton, after the guy that played James Bond. No reason, definitely not a James Bond type, I just thought it was funny. Then I believe I named some people in his family character background story after the Daltons from Lucky Luke.
I do quote the Simpsons sometimes, too, though. But only when they're relevant. Sometimes a Simpsons quote is just terribly relevant. I expect that's rather different than quoting entire scenes.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 21, 2011, 06:39:37 PMIt's interesting that you mention internet memes because I hate them so much.
Partially because they're retarded most of the time, but the other part is just the sheer repetition.
(http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/152/shearrepetition.jpg)
Ok, you guys. You're fucking up the space-time continuum.
I just got home to my mother's for Christmess. Two hours ago we got surprise visitors from Spain who're staying here until new years, and they've been asking me about the minutest details of my life since they arrived.
So, it IS true that no one expects them.
Quote from: Waffle Iron on December 23, 2011, 08:25:34 PM
Ok, you guys. You're fucking up the space-time continuum.
I just got home to my mother's for Christmess. Two hours ago we got surprise visitors from Spain who're staying here until new years, and they've been asking me about the minutest details of my life since they arrived.
So, it IS true that no one expects them.
:lulz:
Quote from: Luna on December 21, 2011, 07:34:17 PM
Quote from: Waffle Iron on December 21, 2011, 07:16:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 06:34:53 PM
The pinacle of humor is Walmart at 5-6AM on Black Friday. It is the perfect, hilarious snapshot of the human condition.
Somehow this has been the most compelling reason for visiting AMERICA I've seen so far.
We have experience hosting Eurospags. Come play!
WE FORGOT TO GO SEE A WALMART :cry:
But regardless of that oversight, I can heartily recommend the hosting-Eurospags-expertise of these Providence-spags.
Plus, if you can make a reasonable attempt at a conversation in German, they know a place where that will get you tons of free beer! TRY to order a beer while politely answering the old German expat dudes! You will fail! :lol:
Quote from: Cain on December 21, 2011, 10:34:40 PM
There is also an element of OCD about it, to me. I don't know about anyone else, but unless I watch a film obsessively, I have trouble remembering more than a few lines of it after a couple of weeks.
I dunno, maybe. But the Monty Python films are the kind of films that I happened to catch 2-3 times or so, well some of them. And even then, some lines (the oft quoted ones) are really quite memorable. Add to that, if people around you quote them, you don't need OCD to remember a bunch. Either way, it's nerdery :)
I can quote some lines from the Big Lebowski and Pulp Fiction, too. Some films are just very quotable :) Though, if I need to use such a line, for a parody or something, I usually look them up, because I want to get the exact wording right (now
that may be OCD ;-) )
Thats not ocd thats caution. Because theres always someone nerdier ready to correct even the most minute of misquotes.
I just wish they would quote other things. Like today, I was able to sneak in "If we die [we had entered a dungeon because a magical storm kicked up], I'm going to blame it on the rain." and when we were trying to find out who was killing beggars at night, and we decided on a stakeout, I said "Hey guys. You could be up on the rooftop, reindeer pause. Out comes good old Santa Claus." And during the smoke break I got a second lunc, so I went out and told everyone "I'm irritated, because the Hunger, its never ending." I was trying to figure out how to sneak in IM ON CRACK too, but we broke too soon.
I know there was a fourth one that I did make, but I can't for the life of me remember it.
Oh! It was a "Bitces are unaware of his tomahawks."
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 24, 2011, 12:12:14 AM
I just wish they would quote other things. Like today, I was able to sneak in "If we die [we had entered a dungeon because a magical storm kicked up], I'm going to blame it on the rain." and when we were trying to find out who was killing beggars at night, and we decided on a stakeout, I said "Hey guys. You could be up on the rooftop, reindeer pause. Out comes good old Santa Claus." And during the smoke break I got a second lunc, so I went out and told everyone "I'm irritated, because the Hunger, its never ending." I was trying to figure out how to sneak in IM ON CRACK too, but we broke too soon.
I know there was a fourth one that I did make, but I can't for the life of me remember it.
Oh! It was a "Bitces are unaware of his tomahawks."
I like this, because it's surreal and slightly confusing. Also because you aren't repeating the same things over and over again.
The first couple of times someone quoted Monty Python it was probably totally fresh and funny.
Quote from: Nigel on December 24, 2011, 12:14:29 AM
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 24, 2011, 12:12:14 AM
I just wish they would quote other things. Like today, I was able to sneak in "If we die [we had entered a dungeon because a magical storm kicked up], I'm going to blame it on the rain." and when we were trying to find out who was killing beggars at night, and we decided on a stakeout, I said "Hey guys. You could be up on the rooftop, reindeer pause. Out comes good old Santa Claus." And during the smoke break I got a second lunc, so I went out and told everyone "I'm irritated, because the Hunger, its never ending." I was trying to figure out how to sneak in IM ON CRACK too, but we broke too soon.
I know there was a fourth one that I did make, but I can't for the life of me remember it.
Oh! It was a "Bitces are unaware of his tomahawks."
I like this, because it's surreal and slightly confusing. Also because you aren't repeating the same things over and over again.
The first couple of times someone quoted Monty Python it was probably totally fresh and funny.
It was actually tis thread that inspired me to make totally non-MP references (not that I usually do anyway), and wat's awesome is I could fit tem in without being totally non sequiter HOW THE FUCK DO YOU SPELL THIS
Quote from: Nigel on December 24, 2011, 12:14:29 AM
The first couple of times someone quoted Monty Python it was probably totally fresh and funny.
That might have been the rehearsals for the movie script, though.
I enjoyed Monty Python, but I just never got into the quoting thing. Part of that is that I'm generally just bad at quotes, I end up paraphrasing or even adding information that wasn't there unless I wrote it down.
I recommend that next time someone gets irritated by Monty Python tards that you mimic whatever they said in a parrot voice and throw in a few BAWKS for good measure. Eventually, I think they ought to get the point.
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 24, 2011, 12:24:48 AM
....totally non sequiter HOW THE FUCK DO YOU SPELL THIS
It's "non sequitur", which does not follow from rules of english.
You could probably try talking about sports with them.
I bet that would be awkward.
So, it looks like we might get some new quotes before too long...
Monty Python Stars Reuniting for 'Absolutely Anything' (http://movies.yahoo.com/news/monty-python-stars-reuniting-absolutely-anything-210743599.html)
QuoteThere may be a little more life in Brian, after all.
Monty Python-ers John Cleese, Terry Gilliam, Michael Palin and Terry Jones are reuniting for the science-fiction comedy "Absolutely Anything," TheWrap has confirmed.
Eric Idle, the other surviving member of the Flying Circus, may join the project, as well, producer Mike Medavoy told TheWrap.
Graham Chapman, the other member of the troupe, died in 1989.
Jones will direct the film, with Cleese, Palin and Gilliam playing aliens and possibly several other additional roles, in true Python tradition.
In addition, Robin Williams is in talks to play a dog and a pompous Frenchman, Medavoy said.
But those expecting a follow-up to "The Holy Grail," be warned.
"It's not a Python film," Jones told TheWrap. "It's a different thing. It's not really that we're all getting back together."
The movie centers on a group of aliens who grant unlimited powers to a human being. Unable to handle his newfound abilities and apparently ignoring the sage advice of his talking dog, the earthling causes chaos.
"The film looks at the whole notion how funny unintended consequences can be," producer Chris Chesser told TheWrap. "It's the whole thing about the genie granting three wishes."
Although its is not a true Monty Python reunion, the film's producers describe its humor as "Pythonesque" -- a term Jones himself disagrees with.
"I don't know what it means," Jones said. "When we were doing Python, we tried to avoid any kind of style. We kept doing different things all the time, so people couldn't say what it was they were looking at. The fact that 'Pythonesque' is a word in the dictionary, is the gravestone to all of the goals that we were hoping to achieve."
The film is expected to start shooting in the United Kingdom this summer on a budget of between $15 to $20 million.
For Medavoy, the chairman of Phoenix Pictures, the film is a chance to work with some of his favorite comedians.
"'Life of Brian' was one of the funniest movies I was ever involved with," he said. "I put it up there with 'Arthur' and 'Caddyshack.'"
Since their final film, 1983's "The Meaning of Life," the surviving Python members have appeared together at the 1998 Aspen Comedy Festival. Jones also directed Idle, Palin and Cleese in 1996's "The Wind in the Willows."
In addition to Chesser and Medavoy, David Thwaites and Bill and Ben Productions will produce the film.
Oh boy! That sounds great!