Now that i dont have to worry about being a hobo its time to start thinking about a secondary source of income (being a member of anarchangel doesnt pay. Seriously. All pay out goes to band costs.) i am thirty and have completed some college. I have no particular skills to make me jump out or even suggest a route. I have work as anoffice spag and still do a bookshelver at a public library a sales associate an administrative assistant and a liquor store stock boy. You all have a pretty good pulse on my interests. I also want a job that i can give just enough of a shit about to get a good ref and drop if i dont need it anymore. No spaggy suggestions. Is serious thread.
My criteria are that i can work at least 20 hours per week that it involves minimal education and experience. Ill try anything really since like i said ill probably chuck it for something better. My current job is flexible but i cant come in before six am and i cant be there after seven pm. I am required to do 20 hours per week. It must also have minimal interference with anarchangel and or other musical endeavors. I will however enthusiastically work weekends.
Exotic animal wrangler.
Phone psychic! :evil:
Phone sex. :p
Exotic dancer!
I might have mentioned this is a serious thread.
I AM BEING TOTALLY SERIOUS
Dead serious... Put together a resume with everything you can do in an office, and go to a temp agency. Tell 'em what you're looking for, and let them do the work.
Quote from: Twiddlegeddon on May 30, 2012, 01:03:41 AM
No spaggy suggestions. Is serious thread.
So, I guess "one-armed jizz-mopper" is pretty much out of the question.
In that case, hit a temp agency, but don't do any .com warehouses. They'll fuck you up.
Robert Half Associates... They're the office end of Accountemps, which has done well by me. They'll do temp-to-permanent, too.
I wont strip. I look better with my clothes on. Ill look into the temp thing. Also inclined towards bartender.
Quote from: Twiddlegeddon on May 30, 2012, 03:40:35 AM
Also inclined towards bartender.
You and everyone else looking for a job.
Fair enough dok. But again. Thow away job. Also boston.
Quote from: Twiddlegeddon on May 30, 2012, 04:29:38 AM
Fair enough dok. But again. Thow away job. Also boston.
Actually, if you get a decent bartending gig, that's NOT a throw-away job.
Post office.
Quote from: Luna on May 30, 2012, 02:42:39 AM
Dead serious... Put together a resume with everything you can do in an office, and go to a temp agency. Tell 'em what you're looking for, and let them do the work.
I second this.
At my agency here, we had two Manpower associates, Manpower being a temp-agency, not sure if they are a Maine company or a national one. Anyway, one of them worked here for a few months after our Administrative Assistant went AWOL, but she did such a great job she ended up getting hired proper by the agency.
Seriously, if you can get in as a temp somewhere, and to a balls-out job at whatever it is you end up doing, you'll be in a pretty decent position to get hired by a company.
Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 30, 2012, 01:05:50 PM
Quote from: Luna on May 30, 2012, 02:42:39 AM
Dead serious... Put together a resume with everything you can do in an office, and go to a temp agency. Tell 'em what you're looking for, and let them do the work.
Manpower being a temp-agency, not sure if they are a Maine company or a national one.
International actually. I worked through them for five years.
Twid, I third the temp-agency thing. Works very well in Belgium at any rate.
My mom who is now an executive-level office manager and business analyst took a summer job in her 20s assisting an exterminator. She still puts that job on her resume to this day because it's a conversation-starter that makes her memorable.
With 20 hours a week, you could do anything, really. Work for a landscaping company, that's some pretty nice, quick dough, usually off-the-books and you'll get buff over the summer. Or work for a contracting firm as an extra laborer. Same deal except you might learn some useful shit about how to fix stuff or hang drywall or some shit.
Fuck retail. I used to do retail management in my young and senseless years and went back to it when I first got out of the Navy and was getting my shit together for a REAL job.
As a kid, you really don't give a shit...oh yeah, you have work ethic and all that but you still believe you're invincible and since you're all the way at the young end of the see-saw, even if you NEED the job because, say, your parents are fucked up and you have to support your own shit, somewhere in the back of your head, you know this ain't the end so their life-sucking, corporate TEAM SPIRIT YAY bullshit doesn't really touch you. It's like when the school sent you to the district child psychologist because you're REALLY SMART BUT DOES NOT WORK UP TO [HER] POTENTIAL: you yes them to death. You "play the game." You act "as if" and tell them what they want to hear.
Retail will DEMOLISH your spirit as an adult. Why? because you give a shit now. Because somewhere along the way, you learned to take pride in your work and came to understand that THIS IS IT. This is your life for REAL. How you spend your days sort of DEFINES you.
And as an adult, you have weaknesses. You're no longer invincible and NOW you can actually understand what the fuck they're SAYING when they cram their shit down your neck: somehow the words affect you more when they no longer sound like gibberish from the Island of Nabbagagga Land.
I would rather work for some mom & pop place for seven holy bucks an hour than spend one fucking twelve-dollar-minute at a "TEAM MEETING" drinking Krispy Kremes and eating a bullshit smoothie about wall-changes and mission statements and paging through the "Look book."
Fuck that. I'll get a spray tan, change my name to Juanita and sit outside Home Depot with no ID.
Quote from: navkat on May 30, 2012, 05:47:12 PM
My mom who is now an executive-level office manager and business analyst took a summer job in her 20s assisting an exterminator. She still puts that job on her resume to this day because it's a conversation-starter that makes her memorable.
With 20 hours a week, you could do anything, really. Work for a landscaping company, that's some pretty nice, quick dough, usually off-the-books and you'll get buff over the summer. Or work for a contracting firm as an extra laborer. Same deal except you might learn some useful shit about how to fix stuff or hang drywall or some shit.
Fuck retail. I used to do retail management in my young and senseless years and went back to it when I first got out of the Navy and was getting my shit together for a REAL job.
As a kid, you really don't give a shit...oh yeah, you have work ethic and all that but you still believe you're invincible and since you're all the way at the young end of the see-saw, even if you NEED the job because, say, your parents are fucked up and you have to support your own shit, somewhere in the back of your head, you know this ain't the end so their life-sucking, corporate TEAM SPIRIT YAY bullshit doesn't really touch you. It's like when the school sent you to the district child psychologist because you're REALLY SMART BUT DOES NOT WORK UP TO [HER] POTENTIAL: you yes them to death. You "play the game." You act "as if" and tell them what they want to hear.
Retail will DEMOLISH your spirit as an adult. Why? because you give a shit now. Because somewhere along the way, you learned to take pride in your work and came to understand that THIS IS IT. This is your life for REAL. How you spend your days sort of DEFINES you.
And as an adult, you have weaknesses. You're no longer invincible and NOW you can actually understand what the fuck they're SAYING when they cram their shit down your neck: somehow the words affect you more when they no longer sound like gibberish from the Island of Nabbagagga Land.
I would rather work for some mom & pop place for seven holy bucks an hour than spend one fucking twelve-dollar-minute at a "TEAM MEETING" drinking Krispy Kremes and eating a bullshit smoothie about wall-changes and mission statements and paging through the "Look book."
Fuck that. I'll get a spray tan, change my name to Juanita and sit outside Home Depot with no ID.
For 12 dollars a minute, not only will I go to the team meeting, but will also stall it.
It's NEVER twelve dollars a minute...even if they SAY it is.
I remember my first SALARIED management job: I was offered $38K per anum for (quote) "Between 36-40 hours a week but with the understanding that you may occasionally work over that in a pinch but you'll be compensated for anything over 45."
I thought I was such hot shit. I was SALARIED. I was working in a UPSCALE FASHION house. I got a 25% DISCOUNT off the DESIGNER CLOTHES instead of the measly 10% the rest of the retail peons got. Woo wee.
My first week, I worked 60 hours.
My second week, I worked 60 hours.
My third week, I worked something like 70 hours and it stayed like that: somewhere between 60 and 80 hours a week. Before the holidays, through the holidays with the promise that it would get better AFTER the holidays "when things calm down."
But things never "calmed down." After the holidays, Regional cut back all the hourly hours we could assign to the schedule so that left we three managers to fill in the holes...and since the company insisted on two-man-integrity in the store AT ALL TIMES (or else you would be presumed a thief and summarily dismissed for theft--no shit), that meant the 60-80 hour weeks stayed at the worse end of that 20-hour window.
And the "compensation" for hours over 45? here's how they calculated that: Your annual salary divided by 52 weeks, divided by 40 hours, divided by HALF. I'll give you a moment.
Yes, instead of getting TIME AND A HALF as required by LAW, or even a FULL HOUR'S WAGE for each hour, we SALARIED slaves got HALF-TIME for doing the work of a SECOND FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE.
But the INSULT wasn't just the half-time, but the way they coded it for tax purposes: as a BONUS. In New York State, the employee is taxed extra on gift and bonus earnings and the employer owes (as far as I know) diddly squat. It's a GIFT. the recipient bears the burden of duty.
But you know what got me fed up? It wasn't the abuse to ME, it was the shit way they wanted me to treat my employees. I finally threw my hands up after they ordered an impromptu wall-change (Think: get on ladders, pull all the neatly-folded, displayed merchandise that you spent ALL night putting UP there, unfold them, hang them and take ALL the shit on HANGERS and fold THEM, get BACK up on ladders and place these in perfectly cubical, folded stacks INTO the wall cubbies...simply because they tell a different "COLOR STORY."), a three-hour job MINIMUM at TEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT...just as I was about to count down drawers and CLOSE.
Bearing in mind the two-man integrity rule, this meant I had to ask a 18-year-old college girl with class at 0700 to STAY until well after midnight because there was NO FUCKING WAY I was going to be able to get anyone to come IN two hours early the next morning to be second-man in the store with me to do this shit. And how do you get the young thing to consent? How do you THINK? Scare tactics. Bullshit about teamwork and responsibilities. Threaten to cut her hours, hint that she'll be dismissed. I couldn't do it. I didn't DARE. It was absolutely unconscionable...and it put me in the odd position of hating myself one way or another so I chose to hate myself for NOT taking someone else down with me.
And this is why Henri Bendel, Express and all The Limited brands for that matter can go eat a dick.
What you say about retail is true but I will amend it to say, never work corporate retail. At least nothing that's publicly traded.
I worked retail for 13 years, always (except for a few years at Borders) with small local companies. It was hard work, but not the soul-destroying nightmare of corporate retail.
Become a barista.
How about cleaning up after incidents of spontaneous human combustion? That's a specialty niche just waiting to be exploited.
Real suggestions or gtfo. Serious.
I had a serious suggestion and then I forgot it.
What about trying to get a writing gig? Like with The Examiner or something. Still serious, but not the one I was thinking of.
Another totally serious suggestion: Do over-the-phone tarot card readings. I tried, but always only got calls when I wasn't near my deck.
If youre not deepthroat chopra you dont have to worry about the seriousness. Even deci4s suggestion is valid and reasonable.
Also i do have a rider waite deck and am willing to learn how to interpret it at face value.
Also i do like writing.
Also im still annoyed with dc for over the top ignoring my restrictions plus past annoyance. Just thought id put that out there. Reread this as nathan explosion it makes it more comical.
Quote from: Twiddlegeddon on June 02, 2012, 04:46:17 AM
Also i do have a rider waite deck and am willing to learn how to interpret it at face value.
Until then you can make money as a "Spiritual Coach" (http://www.ingenio.com/details/Priestess-of-Christianity/Personal-Coaching/7757328). :lol:
"Prayer is the burden of a sigh"? What the fuck is this horseshit?
Also, I could totally do that. I wouldn't go so far as to say that I am channeling God, though. That's, what is that, is that heresy? Blasphemy? It's certainly taking the lord's name in vain.
Depends on your religion. If youre catholic only the pope can channel god. If youre a wiccan anyone can channel a god. If your a heinlein hippie theres no point because youre already god. Bullshit to the last one. My godhood will be disproven with current medical technology by 2100 at the latest.
Oh. And if youre a protestant you get possessed by the holy spirit and gibber in non existent and non syntactic "languages" like that bit of god is sort of malevolent demon that wants to make you look like a dumbass.
Some of our co-workers aren't wrapped too tight, Freeky. Here's a conversation about one that had a total crackup. I can't find her facebook anymore...too bad, it was :horrormirth:
hxxp://www.thepsychicreviews.com/forum/index.php/topic,591.30.html
Quote from: Twiddlegeddon on June 02, 2012, 06:18:24 AM
Oh. And if youre a protestant you get possessed by the holy spirit and gibber in non existent and non syntactic "languages" like that bit of god is sort of malevolent demon that wants to make you look like a dumbass having a grand mal.
FIXT
Thats a good fixt. I think a certain british jew did a pretty good job of showing how silly that shit is in a certain movie where he pretended to be from certain former soviet republic.
If you really want to learn cards, Twid, chuck the Tarot and do playing cards or Lenormand. Only 52 or 36 (respectively) to remember and you don't get all that philosophical stuff when somebody's trying to find out "WHY HASN'T HE CALLED MEEEEEE IS HE CHEEEEEEATING WHO MY BABY DADDY?????"
ETA: What British Jew in what movie? (brain farting...sorry)
Honestly id prolly do card reading for shits and giggles. Maybe i would charge for it for someone i didnt know but i dunno. It would be good for pick up here and there but i want steady supplementary work. I want to know approx hom much im getting paid next week on thursday.
British jew=sacha baron cohen aka borat
Quote from: Twiddlegeddon on June 02, 2012, 06:27:59 AM
Honestly id prolly do card reading for shits and giggles. Maybe i would charge for it for someone i didnt know but i dunno. It would be good for pick up here and there but i want steady supplementary work. I want to know approx hom much im getting paid next week on thursday.
Yeah. Like working for the man but without the suck. That would be awesome!
Quote from: Twiddlegeddon on June 02, 2012, 06:29:28 AM
British jew=sacha baron cohen aka borat
*smacks head* Of course. :lol:
Here ya go. A deck of Bicycles and this (http://www.scribd.com/doc/49441659/A-Playing-card-Reader-s-Notebook) and you're in bidness.
The problem with cards is law of fives. Ive noticed this even when doing it for shits and giggles. If the reader doesnt know you they try to cold read. If they do know you they try and impose their own expectations on you. I.e. They try to influence you to take the route they want even if they dont intend to. I may like to stretch the truth or flat out lie for personal amusement but i feel bad charging for it if i havent copyrighted it. I dunno. I feel that the only person who can tell your future is you and since i dont have a degree in psychology... Lol
Not that i disapprove of charging for divination but i dont think i personally would feel comfortable doing it.
Plus- again steady work. I already have an unsteady nonpaying job as a guitarist (within the context of my main project. Pays better timewise outside of anarchangel) :lulz:
Actually the most i ever got paid timewise was guitar. Approximately $100 an hour for two hour set. Problem is that gigs like that dont happen weekly. Or even monthly.
If they try to do it "intuitively" or "psychically", yeah, they have no choice but to use cheats.
If you use something with a rigid structure and a lot of rules, like the ones I mentioned, and just read them in the context of the question, it'll hit more often than not. I'm sure there's illusions involved. Whatever the fuck it is, I don't have to make stuff up, so it doesn't feel all creepy/slimey. :lol:
But I know what you mean. I got a $300 bonus once for a 45 minute reading. Sometimes things are slow as fuck though. Just like music.
Yep. Problem is is that musics the only thing i want to do but it only that lucrative rarely for you average joe.
People like us tend to do best when everybody's got money. Tax return time is usually jumping...this year sucked compared to last year, though.
Bostonians dont go see live shows unless youre famous or they know you personally. Bostonians kinda suck like that.
No more bar band stuff going on? :sad:
I think the first time I saw karaoke was in Peabody (PEE BUDDY). I remember saying "Thank FUCK this will never catch on." :horrormirth:
Not really. I mean shows are still good for a bar. It still draws people in. But building an audience is hard and ive heard this from a lot of bands- someone will come up to them and say they were great but never bother to come to another one of their shows. Karaoke however always brings people in. And three drunk college girls always do dont stop believing. Always. Its the reality show mentality i think.
I mean it allows anyone to be the center of attention for five minutes without needing any skill practice creativity or originality. I wont lie. Its fun. Especially when you find shit like danzig or megadeth and all the girls look at you and scrunch up in the "eau magawd. What ehz thess?" face or even better if theyre drunk enough to come up and air guitar. But when it comes down to it its like a bunch of people watching each other take turns masturbating.
Bars generally suck once you've split the take anyway. It's a public service for us people at the bar who NEVER EVER want to see a 400 lb beerheart in an Axl bandana pretending to be Jim Morrison, or some old boot in a miniskirt "singing" Purple Rain while waving her hand in the air like she's at an evangelical megachurch. :x
Theres this one regular at the auld sod in dedham (which consistently pays live acts well) who is quite fond of doing lola. Shes bloody terrible at it.
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 02, 2012, 06:24:36 AMIf you really want to learn cards, Twid, chuck the Tarot and do playing cards or Lenormand. Only 52 or 36 (respectively) to remember and you don't get all that philosophical stuff when somebody's trying to find out "WHY HASN'T HE CALLED MEEEEEE IS HE CHEEEEEEATING WHO MY BABY DADDY?????"
I don't quite understand? Regular playing cards have a fairly straight correspondence to the Minor Arcana (except you need to fudge the Knight and Page into one Jack), but Tarot cards are easier to interpret and draw extra significances from because they have pictures. So I'd say the playing cards would require
more memorization than Tarot? I mean it's pretty easy once you've decided (yes,
decided) which playing card suits correspond to which tarot suits (and elements, and any correspondence of four) and if you've studied the Sefiroth a bit (there's 10 of em and they do tend to line up roughly with the numbers in the Minor Arcana) combining those works wonders, but it's still just one trick while the Tarot cards have tens of tiny bits of symbolism worked in all the pictures (fucking Page of Cups with his fish ... WHY DO YOU HAVE A FISH IN YOUR CUP IT MAKES NO SENSE :argh!:).
And what do you mean with the philosophical stuff? I'm curious, you don't
have to interpret Tarot with deep philosophical stuff if the question doesn't lend itself to it?
I never heard of Lenormand, btw. Do you have a link or should I just Wikipedia it? Divination techniques intrigue me.
Ship that one down here, Twid, and I'll send you the guy with a dent in his forehead who does "Ace of Spades" and the woman who does nothing but country songs about doing sadistic things to cheating boyfriends, who is someday going to end up on the six o'clock news if we don't ship her to a state with gun control.
:spittake:
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 02, 2012, 07:35:00 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 02, 2012, 06:24:36 AMIf you really want to learn cards, Twid, chuck the Tarot and do playing cards or Lenormand. Only 52 or 36 (respectively) to remember and you don't get all that philosophical stuff when somebody's trying to find out "WHY HASN'T HE CALLED MEEEEEE IS HE CHEEEEEEATING WHO MY BABY DADDY?????"
I don't quite understand? Regular playing cards have a fairly straight correspondence to the Minor Arcana (except you need to fudge the Knight and Page into one Jack), but Tarot cards are easier to interpret and draw extra significances from because they have pictures. So I'd say the playing cards would require more memorization than Tarot?
It's the busy-ness of Tarot that runs things off the rails. Too many choices in the interpretation.
With playing cards you have a pretty straight meaning, like the Ace of Spades being bad. In Tarot you can read the Ace of Swords as anything from the beginning of a conflict to divine inspiration.
QuoteI mean it's pretty easy once you've decided (yes, decided) which playing card suits correspond to which tarot suits (and elements, and any correspondence of four) and if you've studied the Sefiroth a bit (there's 10 of em and they do tend to line up roughly with the numbers in the Minor Arcana) combining those works wonders, but it's still just one trick while the Tarot cards have tens of tiny bits of symbolism worked in all the pictures (fucking Page of Cups with his fish ... WHY DO YOU HAVE A FISH IN YOUR CUP IT MAKES NO SENSE :argh!:).
I think Eden Gray said the fish was an idea. It's still stupid.
With playing cards, you don't worry about Sephiroth, elemental dignities, or any of that. It's pretty straightforward number and suit, sometimes with the pattern the spots make, like the 6's resembling a path.
QuoteAnd what do you mean with the philosophical stuff? I'm curious, you don't have to interpret Tarot with deep philosophical stuff if the question doesn't lend itself to it?
No, you don't have to, but sometimes it's still hard to get a concrete answer out of it. For me, anyway.
People tend to want love, money and gossip. Tarot tends to be high-minded.
QuoteI never heard of Lenormand, btw. Do you have a link or should I just Wikipedia it? Divination techniques intrigue me.
Lenormand is awesome, I hardly touch anything else since I started using it. The cards have a single image, like a Dog, House, or whatever, and a playing card inset that everybody ignores unless it's a face card. Then it can represent a person, even if the card image is Lilies or Crossroads.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080914115850/http://36cards.wordpress.com/lenormand-card-meanings/
You read it by combinations and context. I'm surprised you don't know it, there's a whole Dutch school of Lenormand. Their meanings are slightly different, they use the Moon for a "work" card (I use the Anchor).
It comes from a German game called "The Game of Hope", btw, not Mlle. Lenormand.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_object_details.aspx?objectid=3145089&partid=1&output=Terms%2F%21%21%2FOR%2F%21%21%2F1516%2F%21%2F%2F%21%2Fletterpress%2F%21%2F%2F%21%21%2F%2F%21%21%21%2F&orig=%2Fresearch%2Fsearch_the_collection_database%2Fadvanced_search.aspx¤tPage=3&numpages=10
Just wanted to add that you can read playing cards the same as Tarot minors. It's just that traditional cartomancy is simpler.
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 02, 2012, 08:02:35 PM
It's the busy-ness of Tarot that runs things off the rails. Too many choices in the interpretation.
With playing cards you have a pretty straight meaning, like the Ace of Spades being bad. In Tarot you can read the Ace of Swords as anything from the beginning of a conflict to divine inspiration.
That's what I liked about it, also I thought that was the whole deal with divination, otherwise sometimes a card simply won't "fit" any story at all.
QuoteQuoteI mean it's pretty easy once you've decided (yes, decided) which playing card suits correspond to which tarot suits (and elements, and any correspondence of four) and if you've studied the Sefiroth a bit (there's 10 of em and they do tend to line up roughly with the numbers in the Minor Arcana) combining those works wonders, but it's still just one trick while the Tarot cards have tens of tiny bits of symbolism worked in all the pictures (fucking Page of Cups with his fish ... WHY DO YOU HAVE A FISH IN YOUR CUP IT MAKES NO SENSE :argh!:).
I think Eden Gray said the fish was an idea. It's still stupid.
I read that it was meant as a secret, as in "I (the Page) know why I have a fish in my cup, you don't, neener-neener".
I prefer that explanation :)
QuoteWith playing cards, you don't worry about Sephiroth, elemental dignities, or any of that. It's pretty straightforward number and suit, sometimes with the pattern the spots make, like the 6's resembling a path.
ok that's how I always understood it, basically as a "proxy" Tarot deck. I actually knew there were other ways of interpreting them, I just thought cross-referencing it with the Sephiroth and the elements felt more "elegant".
QuoteQuoteI never heard of Lenormand, btw. Do you have a link or should I just Wikipedia it? Divination techniques intrigue me.
Lenormand is awesome, I hardly touch anything else since I started using it. The cards have a single image, like a Dog, House, or whatever, and a playing card inset that everybody ignores unless it's a face card. Then it can represent a person, even if the card image is Lilies or Crossroads.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080914115850/http://36cards.wordpress.com/lenormand-card-meanings/
You read it by combinations and context. I'm surprised you don't know it, there's a whole Dutch school of Lenormand. Their meanings are slightly different, they use the Moon for a "work" card (I use the Anchor).
It comes from a German game called "The Game of Hope", btw, not Mlle. Lenormand.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_object_details.aspx?objectid=3145089&partid=1&output=Terms%2F%21%21%2FOR%2F%21%21%2F1516%2F%21%2F%2F%21%2Fletterpress%2F%21%2F%2F%21%21%2F%2F%21%21%21%2F&orig=%2Fresearch%2Fsearch_the_collection_database%2Fadvanced_search.aspx¤tPage=3&numpages=10
Very cool! I'm gonna read that later.
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 02, 2012, 09:04:26 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 02, 2012, 08:02:35 PM
It's the busy-ness of Tarot that runs things off the rails. Too many choices in the interpretation.
With playing cards you have a pretty straight meaning, like the Ace of Spades being bad. In Tarot you can read the Ace of Swords as anything from the beginning of a conflict to divine inspiration.
That's what I liked about it, also I thought that was the whole deal with divination, otherwise sometimes a card simply won't "fit" any story at all.
I think Tarot is more visual. You can look at the III of Wands and go "Hmmm, water, ocean, question about a sick cat, your cat needs fish oil" or some such.
Traditional Lenormand and cartomancy are more verbal, and you're usually reading combinations rather than a spread with set named positions like the Celtic Cross. So you mentally run through your keywords and find the ones that fit the question.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI mean it's pretty easy once you've decided (yes, decided) which playing card suits correspond to which tarot suits (and elements, and any correspondence of four) and if you've studied the Sefiroth a bit (there's 10 of em and they do tend to line up roughly with the numbers in the Minor Arcana) combining those works wonders, but it's still just one trick while the Tarot cards have tens of tiny bits of symbolism worked in all the pictures (fucking Page of Cups with his fish ... WHY DO YOU HAVE A FISH IN YOUR CUP IT MAKES NO SENSE :argh!:).
I think Eden Gray said the fish was an idea. It's still stupid.
I read that it was meant as a secret, as in "I (the Page) know why I have a fish in my cup, you don't, neener-neener".
I prefer that explanation :)
Anything with neener-neener is great. :lol:
And if you want more Lenormand links, just let me know. I've got tons of them.