Snoop Dog is trying to be a reggae singer. Here's his first single (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x__9qYCNMQ&list=UU-OO324clObi3H-U0bP77dw&index=0&feature=plcp).
It's got a roots sound, which I'm down with, but I can't shake the feeling that Damien Marley and HR are gonna want to smack a bitch.
Is this like, the rap equivalent of Metallica's stint in alternative land?
Gross.
God, I fucking hate reggae.
It's stuck in my head, so it's catchy. What's up with the change in identity?
Because he needed a REGGAE name. :lol:
Quote from: wikipediaClaiming to be 'born again' in 2012, the gangster rapper switched the focus of his music to Reggae and changed his name to 'Snoop Lion' following a trip to Jamaica. With his new Reggae album 'Reincarnated', Snoop Lion also claims to be the reincarnation of Bob Marley, the Jamaican Reggae legend who who died in 1981.[130]
Ghosts have to time travel to reincarnate? Or does that mean he possessed little Snoop? Why do trips to places make people do weird shit like say they're Bob Marley?
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on August 01, 2012, 03:44:43 PM
Gross.
God, I fucking hate reggae.
This. Also... that was the best name change he could think of? It's certainly no Big Baby Jesus.
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on August 01, 2012, 03:35:24 PM
Is this like, the rap equivalent of Metallica's stint in alternative land?
Or when Garth Brooks changed his name to do an edgy pop rock album.
Quote from: Gen. Disregard on August 01, 2012, 04:59:53 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on August 01, 2012, 03:35:24 PM
Is this like, the rap equivalent of Metallica's stint in alternative land?
Or when Garth Brooks changed his name to do an edgy pop rock album.
I thought that was his good twin brother?
He was Snoop Doggy Dogg a long time ago. Name change was probably way overdue.
Look at P Diddy or Puffy or whatever he's calling himself now.
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 01, 2012, 05:10:59 PM
He was Snoop Doggy Dogg a long time ago. Name change was probably way overdue.
Look at P Diddy or Puffy or whatever he's calling himself now.
Oh yeah. That was weird too.
The world does not need any more reggae.
Given how much juice Snoop has in the music industry, I'm guessing it will be an awesome album. If he gets either Lady Saw or Collie Buddz to drop some guest tracks, I'll be a happy man.
Also, Damien Marley being held up as some sort of paragon of Reggae is pretty hilarious.
And remember, folks, the fact that you live in the states and most of the reggae fans you encounter are idiot white boys with dirty dreds is a statement about the US, not reggae.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 05:19:09 PM
Also, Damien Marley being held up as some sort of paragon of Reggae is pretty hilarious.
Oh, I just liked his album, is all. I can't attest to what it "means" in the realm of reggae. Same with HR.
I listen to a lot of the college radio rootsrock, rocksteady and dub shows, but I couldn't tell you who anyone is.
At least I didn't give a shout out to Sean Paul...
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 01, 2012, 05:23:55 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 05:19:09 PM
Also, Damien Marley being held up as some sort of paragon of Reggae is pretty hilarious.
Oh, I just liked his album, is all. I can't attest to what it "means" in the realm of reggae. Same with HR.
I listen to a lot of the college radio rootsrock, rocksteady and dub shows, but I couldn't tell you who anyone is.
At least I didn't give a shout out to Sean Paul...
That wasn't a shoutout, it was a "WTF". :lol:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 01, 2012, 05:23:55 PM
I listen to a lot of the college radio rootsrock, rocksteady and dub shows, but I couldn't tell you who anyone is.
And yes, I know Junior Gong is none of those three genres.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
And remember, folks, the fact that you live in the states and most of the reggae fans you encounter are idiot white boys with dirty dreds is a statement about the US, not reggae.
Oh, I know. But I've listened to the classic reggae singers, and it's just not my thing.
If Jimmy Cliff counts as reggae, I do not care for the sound.
ECH has pointed me to some really good examples of reggae. If you're nice to him, he might do the same for you, as well. Nary a Cliff, Tosh, or Marley among them.
UB40 are my favorite reggae band of all time.
:troll:
I gotta say that UB40 is the only reggae band that I DO like.
Which, I think, says more about me than it does about the genre.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 01, 2012, 05:23:55 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 05:19:09 PM
Also, Damien Marley being held up as some sort of paragon of Reggae is pretty hilarious.
Oh, I just liked his album, is all. I can't attest to what it "means" in the realm of reggae. Same with HR.
I listen to a lot of the college radio rootsrock, rocksteady and dub shows, but I couldn't tell you who anyone is.
At least I didn't give a shout out to Sean Paul...
I don't see why not. Sean Paul is the shit. And puts on one of the best live shows I've ever seen.
My favorite reggae band is Led Zeppelin on that one song they did.
Quote from: Hoopla on August 01, 2012, 05:39:15 PM
If Jimmy Cliff counts as reggae, I do not care for the sound.
In the context of what the music currently is, early reggae (and especially Jimmy Cliff) was more dub than anything else. I file him under the "better actor than musician/singer/rapper" category, right next to Wil Smith and Nelly.
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on August 01, 2012, 06:08:18 PM
I gotta say that UB40 is the only reggae band that I DO like.
Which, I think, says more about me than it does about the genre.
Not really reggae. More like reggae-inflected britpop.
And before anybody else says some dumb shit because they don't actually know a thing about the subject, I think you should all go listen to Tiken Jah Fakoly's L'Africain album. If you can get through that and STILL tell me you categorically dislike reggae, then I'll start taking your opinion seriously.
Apropos of nothing... the birth name of Shabba Ranks was Rexton Rawlston Fernando Gordon. And he changed it to... Shabba Ranks.
Whiskey.
Tango.
Foxtrot.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
And before anybody else says some dumb shit because they don't actually know a thing about the subject, I think you should all go listen to Tiken Jah Fakoly's L'Africain album. If you can get through that and STILL tell me you categorically dislike reggae, then I'll start taking your opinion seriously.
I will listen to that this afternoon if I can find it.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 06:15:08 PM
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on August 01, 2012, 06:08:18 PM
I gotta say that UB40 is the only reggae band that I DO like.
Which, I think, says more about me than it does about the genre.
Not really reggae. More like reggae-inflected britpop.
I know.
But I am a simple preacher-man, with simple tastes.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
And before anybody else says some dumb shit because they don't actually know a thing about the subject, I think you should all go listen to Tiken Jah Fakoly's L'Africain album. If you can get through that and STILL tell me you categorically dislike reggae, then I'll start taking your opinion seriously.
I will give it a shot.
I'll give it a go.
Quote from: Hoopla on August 01, 2012, 06:17:22 PM
Apropos of nothing... the birth name of Shabba Ranks was Rexton Rawlston Fernando Gordon. And he changed it to... Shabba Ranks.
Whiskey.
Tango.
Foxtrot.
"Ranks" is a fairly common component of stage names in Reggae. I don't know why, but it is.
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on August 01, 2012, 06:19:32 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
And before anybody else says some dumb shit because they don't actually know a thing about the subject, I think you should all go listen to Tiken Jah Fakoly's L'Africain album. If you can get through that and STILL tell me you categorically dislike reggae, then I'll start taking your opinion seriously.
I will give it a shot.
I particularly suggest the songs
Ouvrir Les Frontiers and
My Cote D'Ivoire.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 06:50:55 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on August 01, 2012, 06:17:22 PM
Apropos of nothing... the birth name of Shabba Ranks was Rexton Rawlston Fernando Gordon. And he changed it to... Shabba Ranks.
Whiskey.
Tango.
Foxtrot.
"Ranks" is a fairly common component of stage names in Reggae. I don't know why, but it is.
But his real name is WAY more awesome.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on August 01, 2012, 06:19:32 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
And before anybody else says some dumb shit because they don't actually know a thing about the subject, I think you should all go listen to Tiken Jah Fakoly's L'Africain album. If you can get through that and STILL tell me you categorically dislike reggae, then I'll start taking your opinion seriously.
I will give it a shot.
I particularly suggest the songs Ouvrir Les Frontiers and My Cote D'Ivoire.
Okay, I'll punch it up tonight, while I work on editing BIP2013.
Rastafarian priests bestowed the new moniker Snoop Lion upon the music icon when he visited Jamaica in search of "a new path."
"I didn't know that until I went to the temple, where the High Priest asked me what my name was, and I said, 'Snoop Dogg.' And he looked me in my eyes and said, 'No more. You are the light; you are the lion.' From that moment on, it's like I had started to understand why I was there," he explained at a press conference.
Born Calvin Cordozar Broadus, Jr., Lion has always felt a special connection with Jamaica's most celebrated music legend, according to news.com.au. "I have always said I was Bob Marley reincarnated," Lion said. "I feel I have always been a Rastafari. I just didn't have my third eye open, but it's wide open right now."
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/snoop-dogg-evolves-snoop-lion-claims-bob-marley-reincarnated-video-article-1.1126235#ixzz22K63Jzay
Quote from: Waffles, The Iron on August 01, 2012, 08:08:41 PM
Rastafarian priests bestowed the new moniker Snoop Lion upon the music icon when he visited Jamaica in search of "a new path."
"I didn't know that until I went to the temple, where the High Priest asked me what my name was, and I said, 'Snoop Dogg.' And he looked me in my eyes and said, 'No more. You are the light; you are the lion.' From that moment on, it's like I had started to understand why I was there," he explained at a press conference.
Born Calvin Cordozar Broadus, Jr., Lion has always felt a special connection with Jamaica's most celebrated music legend, according to news.com.au. "I have always said I was Bob Marley reincarnated," Lion said. "I feel I have always been a Rastafari. I just didn't have my third eye open, but it's wide open right now."
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/snoop-dogg-evolves-snoop-lion-claims-bob-marley-reincarnated-video-article-1.1126235#ixzz22K63Jzay
At least he didn't become a Goddamn Scientologist.
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on August 01, 2012, 08:23:42 PM
Quote from: Waffles, The Iron on August 01, 2012, 08:08:41 PM
Rastafarian priests bestowed the new moniker Snoop Lion upon the music icon when he visited Jamaica in search of "a new path."
"I didn't know that until I went to the temple, where the High Priest asked me what my name was, and I said, 'Snoop Dogg.' And he looked me in my eyes and said, 'No more. You are the light; you are the lion.' From that moment on, it's like I had started to understand why I was there," he explained at a press conference.
Born Calvin Cordozar Broadus, Jr., Lion has always felt a special connection with Jamaica's most celebrated music legend, according to news.com.au. "I have always said I was Bob Marley reincarnated," Lion said. "I feel I have always been a Rastafari. I just didn't have my third eye open, but it's wide open right now."
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/snoop-dogg-evolves-snoop-lion-claims-bob-marley-reincarnated-video-article-1.1126235#ixzz22K63Jzay
At least he didn't become a Goddamn Scientologist.
THIS.
*shudders to think*
But if he's the reincarnation of Bob Marley, that means that from 1971-1981, he was two people at once.
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on August 01, 2012, 06:14:03 PM
My favorite reggae band is Led Zeppelin on that one song they did.
You sure you're not thinking of Dread Zeppelin?
Quote from: Emo Howard on August 01, 2012, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on August 01, 2012, 06:14:03 PM
My favorite reggae band is Led Zeppelin on that one song they did.
You sure you're not thinking of Dread Zeppelin?
I assumed he meant Dyer Maker, which I would imagine barely counts as reggae. I worked with a guy from Trinidad once, and he would practically foam at the mouth whenever anyone described that song as reggae... which I, of course, constantly did.
Hoops correct and that was sort of the idea behind it. To show how little i knew about reggae. Also if lion was always a rastifarian why was he at one point a muslim? Crazy pills?
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on August 01, 2012, 09:57:39 PM
Hoops correct and that was sort of the idea behind it. To show how little i knew about reggae. Also if lion was always a rastifarian why was he at one point a muslim? Crazy pills?
Is Nation of Islam the same as regular Islam? I was under the impression there was a slight difference.
Quote from: Hoopla on August 01, 2012, 10:02:59 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on August 01, 2012, 09:57:39 PM
Hoops correct and that was sort of the idea behind it. To show how little i knew about reggae. Also if lion was always a rastifarian why was he at one point a muslim? Crazy pills?
Is Nation of Islam the same as regular Islam? I was under the impression there was a slight difference.
It's Islam with added weird cosmology and conspiracy theories.
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on August 01, 2012, 09:57:39 PM
Hoops correct and that was sort of the idea behind it. To show how little i knew about reggae. Also if lion was always a rastifarian why was he at one point a muslim? Crazy pills?
Snoop Dogg is about as much a Rasta as I am. Less, even, since I can at least sound like one without having to fake an accent. The whole thing is silly to the point of being retarded, I'm just excited to see if he gets some awesome people to work on the album with him.
Quote from: Waffles, The Iron on August 01, 2012, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on August 01, 2012, 10:02:59 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on August 01, 2012, 09:57:39 PM
Hoops correct and that was sort of the idea behind it. To show how little i knew about reggae. Also if lion was always a rastifarian why was he at one point a muslim? Crazy pills?
Is Nation of Islam the same as regular Islam? I was under the impression there was a slight difference.
It's Islam with added weird cosmology and conspiracy theories.
So Islamic Scientology?
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 10:19:56 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on August 01, 2012, 09:57:39 PM
Hoops correct and that was sort of the idea behind it. To show how little i knew about reggae. Also if lion was always a rastifarian why was he at one point a muslim? Crazy pills?
Snoop Dogg is about as much a Rasta as I am. Less, even, since I can at least sound like one without having to fake an accent. The whole thing is silly to the point of being retarded, I'm just excited to see if he gets some awesome people to work on the album with him.
There is nothing funnier and at the same time more dismal and banal than watching a "celebrity" suddenly go berserk indulging a whim.
At least Charley Sheen went whole-hog on this shit, which I can kind of respect. This business here is just - as you say - silly.
Quote from: Hoopla on August 01, 2012, 10:02:59 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on August 01, 2012, 09:57:39 PM
Hoops correct and that was sort of the idea behind it. To show how little i knew about reggae. Also if lion was always a rastifarian why was he at one point a muslim? Crazy pills?
Is Nation of Islam the same as regular Islam? I was under the impression there was a slight difference.
Regular Islam + The Mother Ship.
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on August 01, 2012, 10:32:46 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on August 01, 2012, 10:02:59 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on August 01, 2012, 09:57:39 PM
Hoops correct and that was sort of the idea behind it. To show how little i knew about reggae. Also if lion was always a rastifarian why was he at one point a muslim? Crazy pills?
Is Nation of Islam the same as regular Islam? I was under the impression there was a slight difference.
Regular Islam + The Mother Ship.
Perfect definition. :lol:
(http://costumepop.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/dog-lion-costume.jpg)
QuoteIs Nation of Islam the same as regular Islam?
No. regular Islam does not enjoy the support of Lion Doggy!!!!
QuoteRegular Islam + The Mother Ship.
(http://www.supportourribbons.com/custom-magnet-image/24583-custom-ribbon-magnet-sticker-THE+NATION+OF+ISLAM+++IS+NEITHER!.png)
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 06:14:27 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on August 01, 2012, 05:39:15 PM
If Jimmy Cliff counts as reggae, I do not care for the sound.
In the context of what the music currently is, early reggae (and especially Jimmy Cliff) was more dub than anything else. I file him under the "better actor than musician/singer/rapper" category, right next to Wil Smith and Nelly.
What's the difference between dub and reggae?
Also I cannot find that particular album by Tiken Jah Fakoly. Which is odd since Soulseek usually has the most obscure shit--I do see a couple of other albums: "Cours d'histoire", "Le Cameleon", "Coup de geule", "mangercratie", "african revolution 2010", "francafrique", "tiken jah fakoly (self-titled) 2006", "radio libre 2009 costa do marfim", and morewait--got it! :D (note to self: after all these years Soulseek search is STILL super-wonky ...)
the tracks you mentioned are spelled "ouvrez les frontieres" and "ma côte d'ivoire" in the versions I found btw
the two tracks are also on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SpoAfR_FcU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psx9vLsW8gY
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
And remember, folks, the fact that you live in the states and most of the reggae fans you encounter are idiot white boys with dirty dreds is a statement about the US, not reggae.
haha this. A good proportion of which will be heavily overcompensating white rastas, who say "jah" "hail Sellassie" and other assorted shit waaaaay more than black Rastafari out of white guilt overcompensation and new convert syndrome. At least in my experience. I have only met ONE white Rasta who didn't, and would only talk about it when asked, he was kind of awesome. (he didn't have dreads, either)
Quote from: Hoopla on August 01, 2012, 05:39:15 PM
If Jimmy Cliff counts as reggae, I do not care for the sound.
I fucking love reggae. It's what I listened to as a wee kid, as my dad is a massive fan.
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on August 01, 2012, 06:19:09 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 06:15:08 PM
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on August 01, 2012, 06:08:18 PM
I gotta say that UB40 is the only reggae band that I DO like.
Which, I think, says more about me than it does about the genre.
Not really reggae. More like reggae-inflected britpop.
I know.
But I am a simple preacher-man, with simple tastes.
Actually UB40 are earlier than the Indie subgenre of Britpop, but yes, its British reggae lite. /pedant.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
And remember, folks, the fact that you live in the states and most of the reggae fans you encounter are idiot white boys with dirty dreds is a statement about the US, not reggae.
Thank you!
I've been sneaking some dancehall into the ears of a Reggae hater, myself. It gives me a perverse thrill to watch her bobbing her head despite herself.
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on August 01, 2012, 08:29:23 PM
But if he's the reincarnation of Bob Marley, that means that from 1971-1981, he was two people at once.
http://youtu.be/whT4Az62NXo (http://youtu.be/whT4Az62NXo)
I believe this subject was already covered in pre-Walker Wisconsin.
Quote from: Pixie on August 02, 2012, 05:35:07 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
And remember, folks, the fact that you live in the states and most of the reggae fans you encounter are idiot white boys with dirty dreds is a statement about the US, not reggae.
haha this. A good proportion of which will be heavily overcompensating white rastas, who say "jah" "hail Sellassie" and other assorted shit waaaaay more than black Rastafari out of white guilt overcompensation and new convert syndrome. At least in my experience. I have only met ONE white Rasta who didn't, and would only talk about it when asked, he was kind of awesome. (he didn't have dreads, either)
Thing is, there literally can't be any such thing as a white Rastafarian. Rastafarianism is, at it's very heart, a black power movement. You can follow all the tenets (which includes an ital diet and never washing with soap, two things I like throwing in the faces of idiot white "rastas") your entire life, but if you're not black you will never actually be a Rasta.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 02, 2012, 08:15:45 PM
Quote from: Pixie on August 02, 2012, 05:35:07 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
And remember, folks, the fact that you live in the states and most of the reggae fans you encounter are idiot white boys with dirty dreds is a statement about the US, not reggae.
haha this. A good proportion of which will be heavily overcompensating white rastas, who say "jah" "hail Sellassie" and other assorted shit waaaaay more than black Rastafari out of white guilt overcompensation and new convert syndrome. At least in my experience. I have only met ONE white Rasta who didn't, and would only talk about it when asked, he was kind of awesome. (he didn't have dreads, either)
Thing is, there literally can't be any such thing as a white Rastafarian. Rastafarianism is, at it's very heart, a black power movement. You can follow all the tenets (which includes an ital diet and never washing with soap, two things I like throwing in the faces of idiot white "rastas") your entire life, but if you're not black you will never actually be a Rasta.
...Plus getting Rastafarianism and Reggae all jumbled up is just silly. I love the music (a fair amount of it anyways) but think the religion is way up in the mormon strata of derp. Haile Selassie himself was creeped out by Rastas.
Waittaminute, are you trying to say that a religion that forbids soap or cutting your hair, believes that smoking dope is an important sacred sacrament, and thinks that some otherwise-unimportant emperor of Ethiopia was the 72nd reincarnation of the Godhead is DUMB and CRAZY?
:lulz:
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 02, 2012, 10:08:39 PM
Waittaminute, are you trying to say that a religion that forbids soap or cutting your hair, believes that smoking dope is an important sacred sacrament, and thinks that some otherwise-unimportant emperor of Ethiopia was the 72nd reincarnation of the Godhead is DUMB and CRAZY?
:lulz:
Well when you put it that way it's really only 25% crazy.
heh, the cultural appropriation by white "rastas" always made me uncomfortable anyway, and I now know WHY they who term themselves as such are so deeply overcompensating, past my initial guesses/observations.
Although I had an amazing ital diet inspired vegetable curry on Saturday. it was SOOO fucking tasty.
Yeah, I've had some really good ital cuisine. Thankfully, REAL Rastas are very welcoming to anyone who is respectfully curious about their culture and won't force you to put your hair in dreds just so you can get a roti for lunch. :lulz:
Still would like to know:
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 02, 2012, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 06:14:27 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on August 01, 2012, 05:39:15 PM
If Jimmy Cliff counts as reggae, I do not care for the sound.
In the context of what the music currently is, early reggae (and especially Jimmy Cliff) was more dub than anything else. I file him under the "better actor than musician/singer/rapper" category, right next to Wil Smith and Nelly.
What's the difference between dub and reggae?
short version: studio tricks, heavy on the delay.
I blame nas... distant cousins was a great album
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 03, 2012, 01:00:46 AM
short version: studio tricks, heavy on the delay.
Ok in that case it actually makes sense to call the shit I like to listen to "psydub" :)
Example Ott - Blumenkraft - 02 - Somersettler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy1szj1Lo3k) (if you're in a hurry skip the first minute of intro, if you're not in a hurry, the drop is much better if you don't. if you're *really* not in a hurry get the whole album it's fucking amazing) be sure to stick around for the sitar at 3:12 :D
My nomenclature of Dub is a little shakey, but from what I was led to understand, people like Lee "Scratch" Perry would take a reggae recording, and then start removing everything but the drum and the bass tracks, adding tons of reverb and delay, and then dropping in brief bits from the horn, guitar, and vocal takes. There may also have been some looping, additional noises thrown in, maybe even from other tracks.
Dimo is going to hate me, and ECH is probably going to as well, but the easiest example I can think of is The Clash's "Bankrobber"/"Bankrobber Dub" on Black Market Clash.
LET ME BREAK IN HERE AND SAY THAT THIS TRACK IS NOT MEANT TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF REGGAE MUSIC OR DUB AS A WHOLE. IT IS MERELY A GOOD WAY TO SHOW AN ORIGINAL TRACK AND A DUB MIX.
"Bankrobber" is a typical white-brits-trying-to-play-reggae track, with prominent bass, offbeat guitars, and drop-three drum rhythms (and some hoarse-voiced git getting political). "Bankrobber Dub" strips everything except the rhythm tracks, extends the mix, and drops in heavily delayed vocal snippets and guitar lines.
For a more modern, much less reggae example, go to the Frost Heaves page (http://www.reverbnation.com/#!/artist/artist_songs/549491) and listen to "Joey L" and then the "Joey L (Earfatigue Dub Mix)". I swapped out the entire drum track, chopped and looped the bass, added keyboards, threw excessive delay on some guitar samples, and played word salad with the lyrics.
But, I may be wrong about the origins of dub. If so, I've been using an entirely false history to inform how I remix songs. Which in itself might be sort of cool.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
And before anybody else says some dumb shit because they don't actually know a thing about the subject, I think you should all go listen to Tiken Jah Fakoly's L'Africain album. If you can get through that and STILL tell me you categorically dislike reggae, then I'll start taking your opinion seriously.
I just listened to the six songs he has on Myspace.
It was unpleasant.
Here's the thing. I am not saying that reggae is bad music. I am just saying that I hate it, as a genre. I can listen to it under certain circumstances without it bothering me, unlike, say, noodly Jazz, which makes me want to shank a bitch, but I would never deliberately put it on to listen to it.
There is a lot of music that I don't like, but can still recognize as good music. I loathe U2 and Pearl Jam, but I can appreciate that they are good at what they do even though I can't tolerate it. I feel the same way about reggae. I hate everything about it, while recognizing it as a valid music form with highly talented musicians who are skilled at their craft.
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on August 01, 2012, 08:29:23 PM
But if he's the reincarnation of Bob Marley, that means that from 1971-1981, he was two people at once.
I prefer to think that in 1981, the spirit of Bob Marley possessed him and subjugated the original spirit of little ten-year-old Snoop, who is still, deep inside, screaming to get out.
Quote from: Hoopla on August 01, 2012, 10:02:59 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on August 01, 2012, 09:57:39 PM
Hoops correct and that was sort of the idea behind it. To show how little i knew about reggae. Also if lion was always a rastifarian why was he at one point a muslim? Crazy pills?
Is Nation of Islam the same as regular Islam? I was under the impression there was a slight difference.
No, Nation of Islam is Black Muslim, which is not really exactly Islamic in the same way that Vodou is not really exactly Catholic.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on August 03, 2012, 06:00:21 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on August 01, 2012, 10:02:59 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on August 01, 2012, 09:57:39 PM
Hoops correct and that was sort of the idea behind it. To show how little i knew about reggae. Also if lion was always a rastifarian why was he at one point a muslim? Crazy pills?
Is Nation of Islam the same as regular Islam? I was under the impression there was a slight difference.
No, Nation of Islam is Black Muslim, which is not really exactly Islamic in the same way that Vodou is not really exactly Catholic.
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Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on August 03, 2012, 05:52:45 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
And before anybody else says some dumb shit because they don't actually know a thing about the subject, I think you should all go listen to Tiken Jah Fakoly's L'Africain album. If you can get through that and STILL tell me you categorically dislike reggae, then I'll start taking your opinion seriously.
I just listened to the six songs he has on Myspace.
It was unpleasant.
Here's the thing. I am not saying that reggae is bad music. I am just saying that I hate it, as a genre. I can listen to it under certain circumstances without it bothering me, unlike, say, noodly Jazz, which makes me want to shank a bitch, but I would never deliberately put it on to listen to it.
There is a lot of music that I don't like, but can still recognize as good music. I loathe U2 and Pearl Jam, but I can appreciate that they are good at what they do even though I can't tolerate it. I feel the same way about reggae. I hate everything about it, while recognizing it as a valid music form with highly talented musicians who are skilled at their craft.
I feel exactly the same about a fair amount of Metal...and pretty much anything Snoop's done since leaving Death Row (or since I wasn't a teenager anymore depending on your chickens and eggs).
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 03, 2012, 01:33:33 PM
My nomenclature of Dub is a little shakey, but from what I was led to understand, people like Lee "Scratch" Perry would take a reggae recording, and then start removing everything but the drum and the bass tracks, adding tons of reverb and delay, and then dropping in brief bits from the horn, guitar, and vocal takes. There may also have been some looping, additional noises thrown in, maybe even from other tracks.
Dimo is going to hate me, and ECH is probably going to as well, but the easiest example I can think of is The Clash's "Bankrobber"/"Bankrobber Dub" on Black Market Clash.
LET ME BREAK IN HERE AND SAY THAT THIS TRACK IS NOT MEANT TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF REGGAE MUSIC OR DUB AS A WHOLE. IT IS MERELY A GOOD WAY TO SHOW AN ORIGINAL TRACK AND A DUB MIX.
"Bankrobber" is a typical white-brits-trying-to-play-reggae track, with prominent bass, offbeat guitars, and drop-three drum rhythms (and some hoarse-voiced git getting political). "Bankrobber Dub" strips everything except the rhythm tracks, extends the mix, and drops in heavily delayed vocal snippets and guitar lines.
For a more modern, much less reggae example, go to the Frost Heaves page (http://www.reverbnation.com/#!/artist/artist_songs/549491) and listen to "Joey L" and then the "Joey L (Earfatigue Dub Mix)". I swapped out the entire drum track, chopped and looped the bass, added keyboards, threw excessive delay on some guitar samples, and played word salad with the lyrics.
But, I may be wrong about the origins of dub. If so, I've been using an entirely false history to inform how I remix songs. Which in itself might be sort of cool.
Actually, you're explanation is spot-on as far as I know. And I don't know if Scratch was the first to ever do it but he was definitely the first to popularize it.
Also, I love the Clash's dub version of that song. In fact, that's my favorite Clash album.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on August 03, 2012, 05:52:45 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
And before anybody else says some dumb shit because they don't actually know a thing about the subject, I think you should all go listen to Tiken Jah Fakoly's L'Africain album. If you can get through that and STILL tell me you categorically dislike reggae, then I'll start taking your opinion seriously.
I just listened to the six songs he has on Myspace.
It was unpleasant.
Here's the thing. I am not saying that reggae is bad music. I am just saying that I hate it, as a genre. I can listen to it under certain circumstances without it bothering me, unlike, say, noodly Jazz, which makes me want to shank a bitch, but I would never deliberately put it on to listen to it.
There is a lot of music that I don't like, but can still recognize as good music. I loathe U2 and Pearl Jam, but I can appreciate that they are good at what they do even though I can't tolerate it. I feel the same way about reggae. I hate everything about it, while recognizing it as a valid music form with highly talented musicians who are skilled at their craft.
Nothing wrong with that. You like what you like, and vice versa. I'll never begrudge somebody their musical tastes as long as they're at least semi-educated tastes. I see that alot with hip-hop. People who "hate rap" but have never heard anything but Lil' Wayne or Drake and I just go put on a Bliss 'n' Eso or Doomtree album and wait for them to ask me what this cool band is that they're listening to.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 03, 2012, 10:38:49 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on August 03, 2012, 05:52:45 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 01, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
And before anybody else says some dumb shit because they don't actually know a thing about the subject, I think you should all go listen to Tiken Jah Fakoly's L'Africain album. If you can get through that and STILL tell me you categorically dislike reggae, then I'll start taking your opinion seriously.
I just listened to the six songs he has on Myspace.
It was unpleasant.
Here's the thing. I am not saying that reggae is bad music. I am just saying that I hate it, as a genre. I can listen to it under certain circumstances without it bothering me, unlike, say, noodly Jazz, which makes me want to shank a bitch, but I would never deliberately put it on to listen to it.
There is a lot of music that I don't like, but can still recognize as good music. I loathe U2 and Pearl Jam, but I can appreciate that they are good at what they do even though I can't tolerate it. I feel the same way about reggae. I hate everything about it, while recognizing it as a valid music form with highly talented musicians who are skilled at their craft.
Nothing wrong with that. You like what you like, and vice versa. I'll never begrudge somebody their musical tastes as long as they're at least semi-educated tastes. I see that alot with hip-hop. People who "hate rap" but have never heard anything but Lil' Wayne or Drake and I just go put on a Bliss 'n' Eso or Doomtree album and wait for them to ask me what this cool band is that they're listening to.
In most cases, I find it impossible to hate a whole genre, with the possible exceptions of "adult contemporary" and boy bands.
I find it incredibly easy, but mostly only with Jazz.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 04, 2012, 06:56:30 AM
I find it incredibly easy, but mostly only with Jazz.
I like Jazz, but I hate Noodly Jazz. I always thought I hated Jazz, but that was just because what I knew as Jazz was aimless saxophone ramblings. Which is also why when someone says "if you think you hate x, listen to this!" because I may simply not know what I'm missing.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on August 04, 2012, 07:36:10 AM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 04, 2012, 06:56:30 AM
I find it incredibly easy, but mostly only with Jazz.
I like Jazz, but I hate Noodly Jazz. I always thought I hated Jazz, but that was just because what I knew as Jazz was aimless saxophone ramblings. Which is also why when someone says "if you think you hate x, listen to this!" because I may simply not know what I'm missing.
I don't like noodly either. Or that quiet, subtle, anemic shit, which is often also noodly.
Noodly sucks. It put me off jazz, until I discovered Ella Fitzgerald.
The problem with noodly for me, is that music is an expression, a method of communication. GET TO THE POINT.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on August 04, 2012, 07:36:10 AM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 04, 2012, 06:56:30 AM
I find it incredibly easy, but mostly only with Jazz.
I like Jazz, but I hate Noodly Jazz. I always thought I hated Jazz, but that was just because what I knew as Jazz was aimless saxophone ramblings. Which is also why when someone says "if you think you hate x, listen to this!" because I may simply not know what I'm missing.
Yeah, there are a handful of exceptions to my hatred of Jazz (Ella, Maceo, a few obscure guitar prodigies). I guess it would be fair to say that I don't categorically hate Jazz, I just hate 99% of what I hear.
The worst Jazz is infinitely better than the best pop.
I was trying to come up with an intelligent response to that but it's too dumb a thing to say for me to bother.
Quote from: Gen. Disregard on August 04, 2012, 05:07:02 PM
The worst Jazz is infinitely better than the best pop.
Balls. Absolute rubbish.
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 04, 2012, 08:39:27 PM
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on August 04, 2012, 08:32:39 PM
Quote from: Gen. Disregard on August 04, 2012, 05:07:02 PM
The worst Jazz is infinitely better than the best pop.
Balls. Absolute rubbish.
Yep. "Pop" =/= "Celine Dion"
I can listen to Kelly Clarkson, P!nk, Lady Gaga, and Anna Nalick all day.
30 seconds of jazz makes me start punching myself in the junk. And NOBODY wants to see THAT.
Quote from: Gen. Disregard on August 04, 2012, 05:07:02 PM
The worst Jazz is infinitely better than the best pop.
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Nigel, I am saddened that you put U2 and Pearl Jam into the same sentence.
Bono is a douchebag, Eddie Vedder is like a personal deity to me. :argh:
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 04, 2012, 08:32:39 PM
Quote from: Gen. Disregard on August 04, 2012, 05:07:02 PM
The worst Jazz is infinitely better than the best pop.
Balls. Absolute rubbish.
You are entitled to be wrong.
Pop is worthless tripe, jazz is the very essence of Discordia. If Eris were a musician, she'd be a jazz tombonist.
FACT!
Trombonist, even.
GD,
Exiting, stage left.
Quote from: Pixie on August 04, 2012, 10:34:01 PM
Nigel, I am saddened that you put U2 and Pearl Jam into the same sentence.
Bono is a douchebag, Eddie Vedder is like a personal deity to me. :argh:
Pearl Jam IS the "American U2" though.
A couple good early albums, followed by massive hype and endless unwarranted self-importance.
Also, both have awesome-but-underrated guitar players and massively overrated singers.
And, both spawned legions of awful copycat bands. I still like "Ten", but I'll never forgive Eddie Vedder for giving rise to the likes of Scott Stapp et al.
Quote from: Gen. Disregard on August 04, 2012, 10:49:08 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 04, 2012, 08:32:39 PM
Quote from: Gen. Disregard on August 04, 2012, 05:07:02 PM
The worst Jazz is infinitely better than the best pop.
Balls. Absolute rubbish.
You are entitled to be wrong.
Pop is worthless tripe, jazz is the very essence of Discordia. If Eris were a musician, she'd be a jazz tombonist.
FACT!
If Eris were a musician, she'd be either Merzbow or Katie Perry, probably both at the same time.
Quote from: Pixie on August 04, 2012, 10:34:01 PM
Nigel, I am saddened that you put U2 and Pearl Jam into the same sentence.
Bono is a douchebag, Eddie Vedder is like a personal deity to me. :argh:
:lol: It's got nothing to do with personalities, everything to do with the music.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 04, 2012, 10:51:01 PM
Quote from: Pixie on August 04, 2012, 10:34:01 PM
Nigel, I am saddened that you put U2 and Pearl Jam into the same sentence.
Bono is a douchebag, Eddie Vedder is like a personal deity to me. :argh:
Pearl Jam IS the "American U2" though.
A couple good early albums, followed by massive hype and endless unwarranted self-importance.
Also, both have awesome-but-underrated guitar players and massively overrated singers.
And, both spawned legions of awful copycat bands. I still like "Ten", but I'll never forgive Eddie Vedder for giving rise to the likes of Scott Stapp et al.
This is all troof. Pearl Jam seemed to have lost their spark after the Vitalogy album. Everything after has been that boring, safe,eristocratic rock like what The Boss has been churning out.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 04, 2012, 10:52:39 PM
Quote from: Gen. Disregard on August 04, 2012, 10:49:08 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 04, 2012, 08:32:39 PM
Quote from: Gen. Disregard on August 04, 2012, 05:07:02 PM
The worst Jazz is infinitely better than the best pop.
Balls. Absolute rubbish.
You are entitled to be wrong.
Pop is worthless tripe, jazz is the very essence of Discordia. If Eris were a musician, she'd be a jazz tombonist.
FACT!
If Eris were a musician, she'd be either Merzbow or Katie Perry, probably both at the same time.
I can see that possibility as well.
These days, I'm not a big fan of any sort of variation on Bop, with exceptions (Monk, for one). What I'm really getting into is the kind of jazz typified by tenor sax ballads, the kind you'd hear at 2:00 am in a small, smokey bar after one two many bourbons. The technique takes a back seat to the soul of a song. Eldridge, Dexter, Lester Young, even some Coleman Hawkins or Cannonball Adderly.
Please note this is also somewhat different from "cool" jazz, although that doesn't completely suck, either.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 01, 2012, 03:27:15 PM
Snoop Dog is trying to be a reggae singer. Here's his first single (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x__9qYCNMQ&list=UU-OO324clObi3H-U0bP77dw&index=0&feature=plcp).
It's got a roots sound, which I'm down with, but I can't shake the feeling that Damien Marley and HR are gonna want to smack a bitch.
I liked this....up until the point that Snoop started....uh...'singing'...and then I stopped caring. This is a case of 'stick with what you're good at'. Snoop's delivery is perfect for his hip-hop career and it's what made him unique. You only have to hear him say a couple of words on any track and you know it's him. But for me, and my humble little ears it doesn't work for reggae.
Speaking of which...I do happen to like roots reggae & dub. Perhaps it's from growing up in the UK where Afro-Carribean music (in all it's various genres) seems to be more widely known. And it makes sense given the influx of Islanders entering the UK in the post-war period. People I knew who were older than me remember listening to all the (original!) ska and bluebeat records in the 60s & 70s around the same time they were soaking up Motown records from the states.
When I moved here to the US and heard about the so called 'ska' bands, I was absolutely fucking horrified by the complete fucking nonsense that was passing for ska. [shudders]. They seem to think that playing really fast and doing plinky upstrokes on the guitar with a horn section counts for ska. No, it does not. Wrong wrong wrong wrong.
I was never a fan of UB40 but they did at least show an acceptance within popular culture for reggae inspired sounds as did bands like Madness and The Specials back in the early 80s. Afro-carribean music is just one of those things, (like Indian food) that was imported and widely taken up as being British culture.
ECH - obviously you have listened to and studied this music in depth. Tip of the hat in your direction sir! I've long been under the impression that America just didn't 'get' reggae.
:lulz:
Thanks, Mang, but I'm a Virgin Islander. I'm only an American in the most technical sense of the term.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on August 06, 2012, 09:12:55 PM
:lulz:
Thanks, Mang, but I'm a Virgin Islander. I'm only an American in the most technical sense of the term.
:lol:
It's ok...I'm technically a number of nationalities also.