AND IT FUCKING SUCKS. I HATE THE WORLD
My sympathies.
My vain attempts to quit tobacco must be restarted.
Have you considered killing a motherfucker to alleviate the stress?
Quote from: Junkenstein on February 01, 2013, 02:06:32 PM
Have you considered killing a motherfucker to alleviate the stress?
Every goddamn second.
Pffft. Quitting's easy, I do it all the time.
Switched to e-fags 6 months ago. Still addicted to nicotine but I'm not inhaling a bunch of shit to get it. I'm fine with that. Nicotine is nice, its the lung cancer and emphysema and shit that goes with it I wanted to avoid.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 01, 2013, 02:14:23 PM
Pffft. Quitting's easy, I do it all the time.
Grumble.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 01, 2013, 02:36:58 PM
Switched to e-fags 6 months ago. Still addicted to nicotine but I'm not inhaling a bunch of shit to get it. I'm fine with that. Nicotine is nice, its the lung cancer and emphysema and shit that goes with it I wanted to avoid.
They're so fucking expensive, though. I'mma cold turkey it.
AND THE LIVE RECORDING AND VIDEO OF MY GIG LAST SUMMER HAS BEEN DELETED. FUCK THE WORLD. FUCK IT RIGHT UP THE ARSE WITH A SPIKED BASEBALL BAT.
Good luck, Waffles! It's a challenging task which you have chosen!
If you end up breaking, rather than kicking yourself for it, I second Pent's suggestion that you invest in e-cigarettes. The upfront is expensive, sure, but compared to the cost of the real thing it's nothing, PLUS, NO LUNG CANCER.
If I smoked more than a pack a month I would do it, even. I might do it anyway because the older I get the more smoking hurts and the less I can stand the smell.
Thing that helped when I quit was coffee.... lots and lots of coffee.
Quote from: Rev Thwack on February 01, 2013, 03:58:54 PM
Thing that helped when I quit was coffee.... lots and lots of coffee.
I used that when I tried quitting weed once like 5 years ago. Now I have a hideous caffeine addiction AS WELL. :lulz:
Also, I'm pretty sure nicotine is a carcinogen all by itself, and while e-cigs lessen the odds of lung cancer I don't think they eliminate them. But all in all I prefer them to the normal ones.
Waffles: I may have a spare Blue ecig pack lying around. You can drop by any time you like.
Quote from: Alty on February 01, 2013, 04:03:03 PM
Quote from: Rev Thwack on February 01, 2013, 03:58:54 PM
Thing that helped when I quit was coffee.... lots and lots of coffee.
I used that when I tried quitting weed once like 5 years ago. Now I have a hideous caffeine addiction AS WELL. :lulz:
Also, I'm pretty sure nicotine is a carcinogen all by itself, and while e-cigs lessen the odds of lung cancer I don't think they eliminate them. But all in all I prefer them to the normal ones.
Waffles: I may have a spare Blue ecig pack lying around. You can drop by any time you like.
E-cigs probably do come with some health risks, but it's almost certainly far less than tobacco cigarettes. The FDA is in the process of evaluating them and it will be several years before there's any solid evidence one way or another. My main concern would be weird ingredients in the vapor, especially the flavored vapor, since they're all manufactured in China and unregulated.
Nicotine alone, while it's a strong poison in large enough doses (which are still relatively small) is not considered a carcinogen.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 01, 2013, 04:11:05 PM
Nicotine alone, while it's a strong poison in large enough doses (which are still relatively small) is not considered a carcinogen.
Huh, fucking wikipedia however long ago. Thanks.
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on February 01, 2013, 03:18:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 01, 2013, 02:14:23 PM
Pffft. Quitting's easy, I do it all the time.
Grumble.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 01, 2013, 02:36:58 PM
Switched to e-fags 6 months ago. Still addicted to nicotine but I'm not inhaling a bunch of shit to get it. I'm fine with that. Nicotine is nice, its the lung cancer and emphysema and shit that goes with it I wanted to avoid.
They're so fucking expensive, though. I'mma cold turkey it.
You're a braver soul than I, I always get the gum or something.
Because I started smoking when I was 13 or so and my body freaks the fuck out every time I quit. Which I need to do again soon. FACK.
Good luck, Waffles! I've smoked something like five cigarettes in my entire life, and I only smoke when I'm too drunk to forget that I don't smoke.
The day went badly here for a multitude of reasons and I appear to have chain smoked a lighter.
I find e-cigs and the like tend to taste absolutely foul. The irony of this never ceases to amaze me.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 01, 2013, 03:55:23 PM
Good luck, Waffles! It's a challenging task which you have chosen!
If you end up breaking, rather than kicking yourself for it, I second Pent's suggestion that you invest in e-cigarettes. The upfront is expensive, sure, but compared to the cost of the real thing it's nothing, PLUS, NO LUNG CANCER.
I do second this. Groupon had a deal for the South Beach e-cigs a few months ago - $30 for the $160 start-up kit. My boyfriend was around 1/2 - 3/4 a pack a day, sometimes teetering on a pack and he's down to just a few most days. Got one for our friend next door and I don't think he's smoked a regular cigarette in over a month. I'm around 2 a day. I wasn't smoking that much to begin with, but it helps curb the urge to go for another one.
And like Nigel said, the up-front investment is a lot (even if we'd paid the full price up front, it probably would have paid for itself by now), but it does save money (and so far, health) in the long run.
I am switching to e-cigs also. For two reasons. A) They're not actually more expensive than analog cigarettes if you do it right, and B) ELECTRONIC FUCKING CIGARETTES. Fuck. How much more evidence do you need that we are living in the fucking Future™?
A princess that just quit smoking. I'm scared.
A viking princess, yeah, that makes it even scarier.
I got a $7 e cig at the dollar store and I can't even inhale the thing without choking and coughing my guts out.
I don't know if it's just because it's dollar store shit or if they're all like that. If they are, I don't want to waste $30+.
I think the E-Cigs are being investigated with possible leakage of the cooling agent in them leaking. So people are dying from constant inhaling of the fumes. I think it was leaking anti-freeze, or something similar. It might have been just one particular company, but go research it first before you buy anything.
Quote from: /b/earman on February 01, 2013, 10:21:28 PM
I think the E-Cigs are being investigated with possible leakage of the cooling agent in them leaking. So people are dying from constant inhaling of the fumes. I think it was leaking anti-freeze, or something similar. It might have been just one particular company, but go research it first before you buy anything.
Can you provide a citation? Because I've researched them, and didn't find anything even remotely like that.
Interesting article: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/6/fda-smoke-screen-on-e-cigarettes/
I'll see if I find anything. It was a friend of mine who used the E-Cig with little nicotine patches inside them he and his father used them ,but then suddenly stopped because people were dying from them due to leakage. I haven't spoken to him in years.
I really want the e-cigs, but 1. they're ILLEGAL in Norway. 2. They're too expensive for me to be able to front the cash at the moment. Gonna stick with nicotine gum and the occasional pipe.
And yes, V3X, E-Cigs are AWESOME
I can understand them being illegal. e-cigs are like the tobacco equivalent of hashish. I'm not in favor of them being illegal, but I can see why legislators might choose to make that decision.
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:15:19 PM
I can understand them being illegal. e-cigs are like the tobacco equivalent of hashish. I'm not in favor of them being illegal, but I can see why legislators might choose to make that decision.
In what way are they "like the tobacco equivalent of hashish"? :?
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 01, 2013, 11:18:15 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:15:19 PM
I can understand them being illegal. e-cigs are like the tobacco equivalent of hashish. I'm not in favor of them being illegal, but I can see why legislators might choose to make that decision.
In what way are they "like the tobacco equivalent of hashish"? :?
This. What?
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 01, 2013, 11:18:15 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:15:19 PM
I can understand them being illegal. e-cigs are like the tobacco equivalent of hashish. I'm not in favor of them being illegal, but I can see why legislators might choose to make that decision.
In what way are they "like the tobacco equivalent of hashish"? :?
They're a device that you use to vaporize the distilled essence of tobacco. I guess more of a hashpipe than hash itself.
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:29:40 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 01, 2013, 11:18:15 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:15:19 PM
I can understand them being illegal. e-cigs are like the tobacco equivalent of hashish. I'm not in favor of them being illegal, but I can see why legislators might choose to make that decision.
In what way are they "like the tobacco equivalent of hashish"? :?
They're a device that you use to vaporize the distilled essence of tobacco. I guess more of a hashpipe than hash itself.
:um:
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:29:40 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 01, 2013, 11:18:15 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:15:19 PM
I can understand them being illegal. e-cigs are like the tobacco equivalent of hashish. I'm not in favor of them being illegal, but I can see why legislators might choose to make that decision.
In what way are they "like the tobacco equivalent of hashish"? :?
They're a device that you use to vaporize the distilled essence of tobacco. I guess more of a hashpipe than hash itself.
Yeah. I got nothing.
:facepalm:
Quote from: /b/earman on February 01, 2013, 10:35:58 PM
I'll see if I find anything. It was a friend of mine who used the E-Cig with little nicotine patches inside them he and his father used them ,but then suddenly stopped because people were dying from them due to leakage. I haven't spoken to him in years.
They are known to leak. The only thing I found was a study by UC Riverside, referenced here:
http://newsroom.ucr.edu/2506
I can sum that article up in one sentence, which is "they often leak and we don't know if that might be dangerous". Absolutely nothing about anyone dying anywhere to be found.
Congratulations, /B/earman, you've just had your first Nigeling.
:lulz:
:thanks:
It was a clean Nigeling, with a scalpel.
Sometimes she uses a rusty blade and it goes for days. :lulz:
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:29:40 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 01, 2013, 11:18:15 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:15:19 PM
I can understand them being illegal. e-cigs are like the tobacco equivalent of hashish. I'm not in favor of them being illegal, but I can see why legislators might choose to make that decision.
In what way are they "like the tobacco equivalent of hashish"? :?
They're a device that you use to vaporize the distilled essence of tobacco. I guess more of a hashpipe than hash itself.
I just involuntarily punched myself in the junk.
I hope you're fucking happy.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 02, 2013, 06:10:26 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:29:40 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 01, 2013, 11:18:15 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:15:19 PM
I can understand them being illegal. e-cigs are like the tobacco equivalent of hashish. I'm not in favor of them being illegal, but I can see why legislators might choose to make that decision.
In what way are they "like the tobacco equivalent of hashish"? :?
They're a device that you use to vaporize the distilled essence of tobacco. I guess more of a hashpipe than hash itself.
I just involuntarily punched myself in the junk.
I hope you're fucking happy.
I lol'd and felt a little bad about it.
Quote from: Alty on February 02, 2013, 06:12:20 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 02, 2013, 06:10:26 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:29:40 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 01, 2013, 11:18:15 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:15:19 PM
I can understand them being illegal. e-cigs are like the tobacco equivalent of hashish. I'm not in favor of them being illegal, but I can see why legislators might choose to make that decision.
In what way are they "like the tobacco equivalent of hashish"? :?
They're a device that you use to vaporize the distilled essence of tobacco. I guess more of a hashpipe than hash itself.
I just involuntarily punched myself in the junk.
I hope you're fucking happy.
I lol'd and felt a little bad about it.
Seriously.
Orthapedic underwear, here.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 02, 2013, 06:10:26 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:29:40 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 01, 2013, 11:18:15 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:15:19 PM
I can understand them being illegal. e-cigs are like the tobacco equivalent of hashish. I'm not in favor of them being illegal, but I can see why legislators might choose to make that decision.
In what way are they "like the tobacco equivalent of hashish"? :?
They're a device that you use to vaporize the distilled essence of tobacco. I guess more of a hashpipe than hash itself.
I just involuntarily punched myself in the junk.
I hope you're fucking happy.
I think I'm proud. I don't know if happy is the right word though.
(http://www.420vaporizers.com/images/bcvaporizer.jpg)
Quote from: Pergamos on February 02, 2013, 06:56:38 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 02, 2013, 06:10:26 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:29:40 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 01, 2013, 11:18:15 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:15:19 PM
I can understand them being illegal. e-cigs are like the tobacco equivalent of hashish. I'm not in favor of them being illegal, but I can see why legislators might choose to make that decision.
In what way are they "like the tobacco equivalent of hashish"? :?
They're a device that you use to vaporize the distilled essence of tobacco. I guess more of a hashpipe than hash itself.
I just involuntarily punched myself in the junk.
I hope you're fucking happy.
I think I'm proud. I don't know if happy is the right word though.
I think the right word is stupid. As in "I said something pance shittingly dumb".
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on February 02, 2013, 04:54:11 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 02, 2013, 06:56:38 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 02, 2013, 06:10:26 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:29:40 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 01, 2013, 11:18:15 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:15:19 PM
I can understand them being illegal. e-cigs are like the tobacco equivalent of hashish. I'm not in favor of them being illegal, but I can see why legislators might choose to make that decision.
In what way are they "like the tobacco equivalent of hashish"? :?
They're a device that you use to vaporize the distilled essence of tobacco. I guess more of a hashpipe than hash itself.
I just involuntarily punched myself in the junk.
I hope you're fucking happy.
I think I'm proud. I don't know if happy is the right word though.
I think the right word is stupid. As in "I said something pance shittingly dumb".
:lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 02, 2013, 01:54:46 AM
Congratulations, /B/earman, you've just had your first Nigeling.
:lulz:
Nigeling = Nigel raping ?
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 02, 2013, 01:40:10 AM
Quote from: /b/earman on February 01, 2013, 10:35:58 PM
I'll see if I find anything. It was a friend of mine who used the E-Cig with little nicotine patches inside them he and his father used them ,but then suddenly stopped because people were dying from them due to leakage. I haven't spoken to him in years.
They are known to leak. The only thing I found was a study by UC Riverside, referenced here:
http://newsroom.ucr.edu/2506
I can sum that article up in one sentence, which is "they often leak and we don't know if that might be dangerous". Absolutely nothing about anyone dying anywhere to be found.
I'm guessing they must have been scared by some random article like this on TV.
http://www.gizmag.com/study-finds-electronic-cigarettes-pose-health-risk/17206/
Quote from: /b/earman on February 02, 2013, 07:02:10 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 02, 2013, 01:40:10 AM
Quote from: /b/earman on February 01, 2013, 10:35:58 PM
I'll see if I find anything. It was a friend of mine who used the E-Cig with little nicotine patches inside them he and his father used them ,but then suddenly stopped because people were dying from them due to leakage. I haven't spoken to him in years.
They are known to leak. The only thing I found was a study by UC Riverside, referenced here:
http://newsroom.ucr.edu/2506
I can sum that article up in one sentence, which is "they often leak and we don't know if that might be dangerous". Absolutely nothing about anyone dying anywhere to be found.
I'm guessing they must have been scared by some random article like this on TV.
http://www.gizmag.com/study-finds-electronic-cigarettes-pose-health-risk/17206/
Almost certainly. Those are the kinds of things that ping my bullshit detector.
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on February 02, 2013, 04:54:11 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 02, 2013, 06:56:38 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 02, 2013, 06:10:26 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:29:40 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 01, 2013, 11:18:15 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 01, 2013, 11:15:19 PM
I can understand them being illegal. e-cigs are like the tobacco equivalent of hashish. I'm not in favor of them being illegal, but I can see why legislators might choose to make that decision.
In what way are they "like the tobacco equivalent of hashish"? :?
They're a device that you use to vaporize the distilled essence of tobacco. I guess more of a hashpipe than hash itself.
I just involuntarily punched myself in the junk.
I hope you're fucking happy.
I think I'm proud. I don't know if happy is the right word though.
I think the right word is stupid. As in "I said something pance shittingly dumb".
I've yet to have that demonstrated to me.
QUICK FACT CHECK TIME!
Did you know ....
* The nicotine in e-cigarettes does not generally come from tobacco. That's why e-cigarettes are not regulated as "tobacco products."
* There is no "coolant" in an e-cigarette. There is only a battery, a vaporizor, and the liquid which is vaporized.
* PROPYLENE GLYCOL HOLY FUCK! That shit is deadly. That's why they'd never ever put it in ice cream, artificial sweeteners, frosting, soda, muffin mix, most beer, coffee, or salad dressing.*
Anyone who maintains a straight face while saying some stupid god damn thing like, "Herp, you should totally not use e-cigs to help you quit, because they MIGHT contain a COUPLE of things that HAVEN'T BEEN PROVEN 100% SAFE. You're better off sticking with actual smoke with countless known carcinogens," should probably be shot on sight.
* actually it is in all of those things.
I got a nasty upper respiratory infection around the same time I switch to e-cigs. Not saying they caused it but they always left me with cotton mouth....and the goddamned battery would always die when I was away from the charger or it would run out of juice. I don't like that you can't tell how many pulls you have left one them either. I didn't have the greatest experience with them and really felt like I wasted 50 bucks.
Though I am down to under half a pack a day....so I guess they helped?
Day three. Nicotine gum is horrible.
I manage to stay sane by killing things in SW:tOR.
I didn't realise EA still kept the servers for that running.
It's become Free-to-play, so I started playing.
Also, I have spent HOURS figuring out the software and tweaking for making my voice sound like Soundwave from transformers.
4 hours of googling didn't help, so I called a pal, who's a sound engineer. took him ten minutes to figure it out. I R SMRT.
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on February 03, 2013, 06:48:04 PM
Also, I have spent HOURS figuring out the software and tweaking for making my voice sound like Soundwave from transformers.
4 hours of googling didn't help, so I called a pal, who's a sound engineer. took him ten minutes to figure it out. I R SMRT.
:fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap:
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 01, 2013, 10:28:32 PM
Interesting article: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/6/fda-smoke-screen-on-e-cigarettes/
Very interesting, thanks!
If the FDA wants to put that much effort in trying to get them banned, might as well put that energy into conducting an actual study.
If you're thinking about e-fags I'd recommend trying the more expensive disposable versions initially (if the wallet can take the hit) there's a big difference in quality and taste between them all. Shop around, pick your favourite. I'm on menthol 10motives. Other menthols taste like fecking lime ie. shite. I buy a pack of 5 refils (about £5 ukbucks) and they last me all week. The batteries need replaced every couple of months but, overall I'm saving a fucking fortune.
*EDIT*
Correction: £6.99 - just over the cost of a 20-deck (http://www.10motives.com/refills/menthol-refills.html)
wife and i went the e-cig route. first ones we got were the ones at the general store that look like slightly oversized smokes with the cartridge. it tasted like ass and it made me immediately congested. we tried but they were thoroughly unfulfilling. go out with friends and we'd hork on it a bit, but then break down and bum a regular smoke of a friend.
went out one night and met some guy that had this monstrous looking thing about 8 inches or so. looks about like a hookah handle not attached to the tube/hookah. he gave us a card to a local shop that sells them, and they don't use refill cartridges, but rather, the liquid is sold in the shop in bottles that you put in a resevoir. they have about 100 different flavors that you can put in them. some are horrible, others are like candy.
have had absolutely zero desire for a tobacco cigarette since i got it. even when going out to a bar with friends.
further, since they mix it up in the shop, you request the specific amount of nicotine in the juice, by mg., and can step down as desired. currently using about 1/3 of what i started with a few months ago.
feel so much better.
TL;DR 1 not all e-cigs are made equal. not by a long shot 2 see if you have one of these shops around you. 3 it's definitely worth the upfront cost (it was ~$50)
oh... specific brand i have is eGo-C
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on February 04, 2013, 06:56:04 PM
wife and i went the e-cig route. first ones we got were the ones at the general store that look like slightly oversized smokes with the cartridge. it tasted like ass and it made me immediately congested. we tried but they were thoroughly unfulfilling. go out with friends and we'd hork on it a bit, but then break down and bum a regular smoke of a friend.
went out one night and met some guy that had this monstrous looking thing about 8 inches or so. looks about like a hookah handle not attached to the tube/hookah. he gave us a card to a local shop that sells them, and they don't use refill cartridges, but rather, the liquid is sold in the shop in bottles that you put in a resevoir. they have about 100 different flavors that you can put in them. some are horrible, others are like candy.
have had absolutely zero desire for a tobacco cigarette since i got it. even when going out to a bar with friends.
further, since they mix it up in the shop, you request the specific amount of nicotine in the juice, by mg., and can step down as desired. currently using about 1/3 of what i started with a few months ago.
feel so much better.
TL;DR 1 not all e-cigs are made equal. not by a long shot 2 see if you have one of these shops around you. 3 it's definitely worth the upfront cost (it was ~$50)
oh... specific brand i have is eGo-C
:lmnuendo:
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on February 04, 2013, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 01, 2013, 10:28:32 PM
Interesting article: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/6/fda-smoke-screen-on-e-cigarettes/
Very interesting, thanks!
If the FDA wants to put that much effort in trying to get them banned, might as well put that energy into conducting an actual study.
Yeah, you know how I have lots of trust in and good things to say about the CDC? I feel the exact opposite about the FDA. There's just too much evidence of corruption sneaking into their decisions about what gets approved and what gets banned.
EIGHT DAYS IN! I'm in a slightly better mood, but stillcranky as fuck all.
This is me, as Soundwave, stammering through a hirley0 post. https://www.dropbox.com/s/gmx492keybyhnlg/testSoundwave2.mp3
Hey, I have started to stop smoking and finding it very hard, was looking atgenetic engineering companies to try and make me have a less addictive personality? I came across HIMEOBS Retroviral Engineering and Umbrella Corporation Biodefense Technologies and was wondering which one was best? Thanks in advance
Find a American company if you can.
There is no more american company than HIMEOBS
Fact: HIMEOBS invented america as a joke to piss off russia. Joke was so funny it stuck
yeah, i should get the e cig ball rolling myself, norm ciggs are so disgustingly delicious, im tired of them, but im such a nicotine addict
My ecig tastes like gummy bears.
im gonna get coffee flavoured ecigs, kill two birds with a stone
Quote from: Vladimir Poutine ⊂(◉‿◉)つ on January 07, 2014, 07:14:42 AM
My ecig tastes like gummy bears.
My e-cig tastes like Dresden.
Using the unflavored shit. I'm just in it for the nicotine.
I quit smoking about 5 month ago and I smoked a lot can't say how many pack whatever, 'cause I rolled my own. I used the patch to aid me.. I still dream about smoking. But I smoked 20 some years, so I guess so.
It pisses me off that a lot of places are passing laws to treat e-cigs the same as regular ones. It's that fucking punishment fetish culture coming through again... "Oh shit, they found a way to enjoy something pleasurable without the cancer or bothering anyone! We need to punish them, STAT!"
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 08, 2014, 06:10:39 PM
It pisses me off that a lot of places are passing laws to treat e-cigs the same as regular ones. It's that fucking punishment fetish culture coming through again... "Oh shit, they found a way to enjoy something pleasurable without the cancer or bothering anyone! We need to punish them, STAT!"
Yep. The No Fun Crowd is all over that shit.
For once, the TSA is being reasonable. More reasonable than New York City.
DOUR,
Fell through a wormhole.
It illustrates the actual motive for the anti-smoking campaigns of the past 20 years. Maybe they started out as public health concerns, but they have long since been commandeered by the True Believers. It's a war on Saturday Night, ten times more real than the War on Christmas they keep talking about.
Quote from: V3X on January 08, 2014, 10:03:16 PM
It illustrates the actual motive for the anti-smoking campaigns of the past 20 years. Maybe they started out as public health concerns, but they have long since been commandeered by the True Believers. It's a war on Saturday Night, ten times more real than the War on Christmas they keep talking about.
Yeah, the RWHNistas. :lulz:
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 08, 2014, 11:48:40 PM
Quote from: V3X on January 08, 2014, 10:03:16 PM
It illustrates the actual motive for the anti-smoking campaigns of the past 20 years. Maybe they started out as public health concerns, but they have long since been commandeered by the True Believers. It's a war on Saturday Night, ten times more real than the War on Christmas they keep talking about.
Yeah, the RWHNistas. :lulz:
:spittake:
E-cig shops are popping up all over the place. Just in the last year, my town has sprouted four of them.
I'm mostly concerned about the stuff they're using to flavor the stuff. I'm pretty sure some of them contain Diacetyl, which we now know will kill you if you inhale the stuff constantly. Some of them even have coloring, which to me seems completely unnecessary.
Quote from: Emo Howard on January 20, 2014, 08:24:44 PM
E-cig shops are popping up all over the place. Just in the last year, my town has sprouted four of them.
I'm mostly concerned about the stuff they're using to flavor the stuff. I'm pretty sure some of them contain Diacetyl, which we now know will kill you if you inhale the stuff constantly. Some of them even have coloring, which to me seems completely unnecessary.
This is why I use the plain stuff.
Nicotene, water, polyglycol.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 20, 2014, 08:29:31 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on January 20, 2014, 08:24:44 PM
E-cig shops are popping up all over the place. Just in the last year, my town has sprouted four of them.
I'm mostly concerned about the stuff they're using to flavor the stuff. I'm pretty sure some of them contain Diacetyl, which we now know will kill you if you inhale the stuff constantly. Some of them even have coloring, which to me seems completely unnecessary.
This is why I use the plain stuff.
Nicotene, water, polyglycol.
That sounds like a good idea. AFAIK, none of the shops here sell plain.
When I was smoking hookah, I tried making my own shisha using different kinds of food flavorings. The only ones I found that worked were the ones intended for hard candy. I've consedered finding some unflavored, and then adding my own flavor, possibly just soaking some orange zest in it might work.
Also, "pretty sure" they contain Diacetyl?
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 20, 2014, 08:46:23 PM
Also, "pretty sure" they contain Diacetyl?
They have butterscotch, I can't imagine what else they would use for that. Some of the ones that don't have "butter" right in the name are bound to contain it as well.
I was just looking, and Diacetyl hasn't been used in e-cigs for a few years.
The only current references I could find to its use are at scare sites that also try to say that polyglygol is ethylene glycol.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 20, 2014, 08:53:28 PM
I was just looking, and Diacetyl hasn't been used in e-cigs for a few years.
The only current references I could find to its use are at scare sites that also try to say that polyglygol is ethylene glycol.
How is it even possible to know? Is someone testing the stuff?
Quote from: Emo Howard on January 20, 2014, 09:00:07 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 20, 2014, 08:53:28 PM
I was just looking, and Diacetyl hasn't been used in e-cigs for a few years.
The only current references I could find to its use are at scare sites that also try to say that polyglygol is ethylene glycol.
How is it even possible to know? Is someone testing the stuff?
Here? Yes. In fact, there are so many people DETERMINED to outlaw the things, that if anyone cheated, they'd be all over that shit.
Basically, it's the American punishment mentality...How DARE you have a vice that won't kill you horribly? How DARE YOU?
Those things seem super rad, and a lot better than when I tired Blu a few years ago.
I am still glad I quit 10 years ago, but sometimes it's nice to have that controlled and consistent stress relief.
I am confused about the nicotine though. It all by itself is a carcinogen, right? It amplifies the carcinogenic properties of tar and such, but it can increase he risk all by itself, even through the patch, right?
I dont understand why people keep smoking the regular ones. Habit, convenince, nostalgia?
Tell me!
Quote from: Alty on January 20, 2014, 09:12:56 PM
I am confused about the nicotine though. It all by itself is a carcinogen, right?
No. It is a toxin, though.
Suckin on some KEY LIME POISON atm MM MMMM
Quote from: Vladimir Poutine ⊂(◉‿◉)つ on January 21, 2014, 02:17:43 AM
Suckin on some KEY LIME POISON atm MM MMMM
Unflavored neurotoxin, here.
A smoking addiction, paired with oral fixation is fucking hell.
Almost managed to stop last term, but as finals approached and I had to write all of my essays in two weeks I started again. I think I'll have a go at it after a couple of weeks. Quitting weed now and smokes are pretty helpful, when I get a craving.
Probably gonna do it cold turkey though. Withdraw is a high of its own.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 08, 2014, 06:10:39 PM
It pisses me off that a lot of places are passing laws to treat e-cigs the same as regular ones. It's that fucking punishment fetish culture coming through again... "Oh shit, they found a way to enjoy something pleasurable without the cancer or bothering anyone! We need to punish them, STAT!"
I was looking forward to e-cigs catching on because I doubt the vapors will throw my lungs into fits like smoke does.
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on January 24, 2014, 01:52:12 AM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 08, 2014, 06:10:39 PM
It pisses me off that a lot of places are passing laws to treat e-cigs the same as regular ones. It's that fucking punishment fetish culture coming through again... "Oh shit, they found a way to enjoy something pleasurable without the cancer or bothering anyone! We need to punish them, STAT!"
I was looking forward to e-cigs catching on because I doubt the vapors will throw my lungs into fits like smoke does.
E-cigs taste like shit, though.
Compared to the delicate bouquet of burnt tobacco tar? :eek:
Delicious yet delicate freshly laid tarmac flavour FTW
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 24, 2014, 11:56:47 AM
Compared to the delicate bouquet of burnt tobacco tar? :eek:
IDK, I like the taste of baccie. E-cigs just taste like plastic.
Quote from: outoftheloop on January 24, 2014, 12:38:58 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 24, 2014, 11:56:47 AM
Compared to the delicate bouquet of burnt tobacco tar? :eek:
IDK, I like the taste of baccie. E-cigs just taste like plastic.
Conditioning.
Quote from: :regret: on January 24, 2014, 02:05:39 PM
Quote from: outoftheloop on January 24, 2014, 12:38:58 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 24, 2014, 11:56:47 AM
Compared to the delicate bouquet of burnt tobacco tar? :eek:
IDK, I like the taste of baccie. E-cigs just taste like plastic.
Conditioning.
Cheap e-cigs. The early ones and the cheap, cartridge-style ones do in fact taste like ass. An ass made out of burning plastic.
Quote from: outoftheloop on January 24, 2014, 11:53:09 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on January 24, 2014, 01:52:12 AM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 08, 2014, 06:10:39 PM
It pisses me off that a lot of places are passing laws to treat e-cigs the same as regular ones. It's that fucking punishment fetish culture coming through again... "Oh shit, they found a way to enjoy something pleasurable without the cancer or bothering anyone! We need to punish them, STAT!"
I was looking forward to e-cigs catching on because I doubt the vapors will throw my lungs into fits like smoke does.
E-cigs taste like shit, though.
I think people ought to have the right to smoke...smoke anything they want to smoke, even.
Tobacco, pot, crack, heroin, whatever...if I'm not involuntarily involved.
...If they smoke tobacco (or a LOT of pot) inside I can't be in that location.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 24, 2014, 02:14:06 PM
Quote from: :regret: on January 24, 2014, 02:05:39 PM
Quote from: outoftheloop on January 24, 2014, 12:38:58 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 24, 2014, 11:56:47 AM
Compared to the delicate bouquet of burnt tobacco tar? :eek:
IDK, I like the taste of baccie. E-cigs just taste like plastic.
Conditioning.
Cheap e-cigs. The early ones and the cheap, cartridge-style ones do in fact taste like ass. An ass made out of burning plastic.
I meant that he only likes the taste of burnt tobacco because the addictive elements conditioned him to like it. I'm not sure if you got that.
Regarding flavor safety:
Any sweetners, artificial flavors, or e juices with no ingedient listings are probably bad news or no news which is just as bad, IMO.
However, some are perfectly safe.
Vanilin, for example, is very unlikely to cause any damage. It's a very natural compound, the kind people inhale anytime they use essential oils, because it is an essential oil. I dunno if I would put ethyl maltol in the same boat because I am unfamiliar with it. Though, I can't say I enjoy it overly much.
In fact, vanilin posseses health benefits.
http://womenhealth-phytochemicals.blogspot.com/2012/02/phytochemicals-in-foods-7-health.html?m=1
Isn't diacetyl natural?
Yessir, but faux butter?
I will pass. :lol:
I bet there are other things that are fine to eat, but are bad to freebase.
Freebasing butter is bad, mkay.
Quote from: The All-Seeing Waffle on February 01, 2013, 02:03:39 PM
AND IT FUCKING SUCKS. I HATE THE WORLD
I've quitted too but not the hard way... I've bought myself an e-cig starter kit from here http://www.vape-compare.co.uk/electronic-cigarette-starter-kits/ and it's been 7 months since I've started vaping (not a single cigarette) and I'm now using non-nicotine liquids and that means I'm not addictive to nicotine anymore. I'm still vaping because I love the thrill of inhaling flavours. You should try it too. Hope I helped! All the best! Ce-ya!
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I quit smoking about two years ago and quit vaping as of two weeks ago.
8)
I started and quit and started and quit smoking again.
Now I mainly vape.
I have smoked occasional cigarettes for most of my adult life, ranging from one or two a night to less than one a week. For some reason, in the last few months, I have almost completely lost interest in them, except for occasionally at parties.
i've been about a pack a day for the last 20 years (oh gawd)
i read alan carr's (sp?) "quit smoking the easy way" and was able to quit for about 6 hours - but, i didn't start reading it with the intention to quit. just read it to see how the hell reading a book could possibly make someone quit smoking. that first cig after the book was . . . a psychological experience . . .
tried to quit cold turkey many times and always caved on day 3,4 or 5
cutting down doesn't seem to work for me as the less i smoke the more i like it.
i did quit once for 7 months using chantix. chantix made quitting super easy, but everything else about it fucking sucked and i would not do it again. i took chantix for a total of 2 weeks. 1 week as a smoker and 1 week without. i couldn't stand chantix any longer than that. i had pretty annoying constipation and headaches for a couple months. almost rear ending someone on my motorcycle in west virginia broke my resolve after that quit and it was a slow but steady decline after that.
however, the latest ad campaign on tv is starting to get to me and i'm thinking i should give it another go.
i'm considering trying wellbutrin.
my concern now is that my biggest issue with no nicotine is incredible crankiness and i spend a large chunk of time looking after 3 kids - ages 5, 6 and 7. the 5 year old being autistic is a complicating factor.
i only smoke outside which should help come winter time. feels pretty dumb to go huff down a cigarette when it's cold as fuck outside.
anybody have any experience with wellbutrin? or any other suggestions for combatting severe irritability?
Have you considered e-cigs? You'll still get your nicotine rush, but without the same kind of health side effects.
I have thought about e-cigs quite a bit. I've used them in the past for situations where smoking is prohibited. I've found they work good as a 'crutch' to go longer between real cigs, but I don't seem to get enough of a 'fix' from them and they make me want a real cig that much more.
I also don't think I'd have the willpower to stay completely on e-cigs were I to try to switch.
I *do* think that, had I bought an e-cig instead of that pack in west Virginia I might still be a nonsmoker today.
My experience with weaning or nicotine replacement has been that it keeps you addicted and prolongs the misery.
I love a nicotine buzz. I smoke enough now that I don't get that buzz, but I know if I cut down, the buzz will come back.
To put it another way, I think e-cigs are like N/A Beer to an alcoholic
Buy a tobacco taste, and high nicotine. I used 24mgs, then 18. Now I'm down to twelve.
Worked for me at any rate.
I also enjoy vanilla custard taste, though. Because I'm a manly man.
I average one or two cigars or a pipe per month, and I usually enjoy it. I had a cigar yesterday though and I felt like sun-baked dog shit the rest of the day. And that's how I learned not to smoke on workout days.
+1 on e-cigs. Why give up nicotine? It's hard. Just get rid of the toxic carcinogenic way of eating it. It's worth spending a bit of cash on a decent one tho. The cheap disposable shit is cheap, disposable and also shit. Stump up some cash up front for a decent tank and the difference is night and day
Also nicotine gum and patches, if you're a hardened addict.
You're not going to go cold turkey. Some people can...but not many. Build to it, like Waffle suggested.
I spoke with my doctor about welbutrin today (I already had an appointment set up) and decided its worth trying e-cigs first before medication.
I'm about to work a fuckload of overtime (8 12 hr midnight shifts followed by 4 more 12 hr day shifts - with a 24 hr break after midnights to 'adjust') so I'm gonna stick with what works until that's over.
In the meantime - I'd appreciate some e-cig brand recommendations. The ones I've tried were the disposable kind and they pretty much suck.
I've often thought I'd prefer an e-cig if it was more like a pipe. The weight of them doesn't feel right if that makes sense.
If I remember correctly you (plural) wish to divorce your (is it yours?) Physical form from the want to consume a habit?
Surely this is an abbreviated form of suicide?
A choice within a fractal!
So4ry tra1n rid3 .... Sl3ep
Vaporisers seem like a good alternative to me.
I think I'm done with the phlegm and shortness of breath. There's a shop in my town that seems to have a good range.
More fruit and veg, yoga, socialising, less poison. I might be on the upswing :argh!:
Quote from: rong on July 31, 2015, 07:40:33 PM
I spoke with my doctor about welbutrin today (I already had an appointment set up) and decided its worth trying e-cigs first before medication.
I'm about to work a fuckload of overtime (8 12 hr midnight shifts followed by 4 more 12 hr day shifts - with a 24 hr break after midnights to 'adjust') so I'm gonna stick with what works until that's over.
In the meantime - I'd appreciate some e-cig brand recommendations. The ones I've tried were the disposable kind and they pretty much suck.
I've often thought I'd prefer an e-cig if it was more like a pipe. The weight of them doesn't feel right if that makes sense.
Kangertech (http://www.kangeronline.com/) are good, although I don't bother with their batteries, just use generics. Juice-wise my local store does a menthol called Airblast but juice is personal taste. Most stores have a sample section. Try before you buy.
I have an innokin iClear 30s tank. It's wonderful.
And I use a Vision SPinner 2 1600mAh battery.
Quote from: rong on July 31, 2015, 04:10:26 PM
I have thought about e-cigs quite a bit. I've used them in the past for situations where smoking is prohibited. I've found they work good as a 'crutch' to go longer between real cigs, but I don't seem to get enough of a 'fix' from them and they make me want a real cig that much more.
I also don't think I'd have the willpower to stay completely on e-cigs were I to try to switch.
I *do* think that, had I bought an e-cig instead of that pack in west Virginia I might still be a nonsmoker today.
My experience with weaning or nicotine replacement has been that it keeps you addicted and prolongs the misery.
I love a nicotine buzz. I smoke enough now that I don't get that buzz, but I know if I cut down, the buzz will come back.
I don't feel the buzz anymore except when I vape. Real cigs can only give so much, but with vapes you can go with to any nicotine level. Also the more high powered the vape the less nicotine you need to get the same buzz because it makes more vapor. Like on pen vape I need 30mg to get a high, but on my tank and box mod I just need 6
Since I have a couple disposable e-cigs in my drawer, I decided to try only e-cigs at home, real cigs at work for awhile.
Since I'm working such a long stretch of days in a row, I figured it would give me time to adjust to no real cigs at home before I have to adjust to no real cigs at all.
Of course I forgot about this when I first woke up, but its been a few hours now with no real cigs and not so bad.
My boyfriend and I quit a little over a year ago - the occasional "real" cigarette at a concerts or such, but it's rare. I went cold turkey, but will occasionally hit his vaporizer if the mood strikes me. He'd started with the South Beach Smoke e-cigs, but they just weren't doing it for him. Tried out nicotine patches but he had already been trying pare things down and it was a bit too much and he was sometimes getting nightmares. Went to check out a vape shop nearby that looked like it had been in the process of opening for a while, went in and the guy was packing up and getting ready to leave for a "new business venture" in Florida and pretty much told him to fill up a bag of batteries and tanks for free. They were kind of generic cheapish ones that would eventually stop charging, but they definitely did the trick. Upgraded to a more durable/reliable set and has been going strong and he'd been at not-quite-but-almost a pack a day. Tends to stick with plain or tabacco flavored liquid.
We went camping at a festival this weekend and bought 2 packs (versus the half-carton we might have normally purchased/gone through over the 4 days). We ended up smoking/splitting just 2 cigarettes the whole time and didn't even finish them. At least on my end, they had just gone back to tasting awful. And the vape carried him just fine as it has over the past year.
Everyone's different, but I would definitely recommend it to anyone trying to quit.
Quote from: rong on July 31, 2015, 02:43:04 PM
cutting down doesn't seem to work for me as the less i smoke the more i like it.
Isn't this a win/win? Smoke less, enjoy it more?
FWIW I know both of the researchers who are frequently cited for their research in e-cig safety, and they are emphatic that even though there are health risks with e-cigs they are absolutely vastly dwarfed by the known dangers of smoking real cigarettes.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 03, 2015, 07:14:45 PM
Quote from: rong on July 31, 2015, 02:43:04 PM
cutting down doesn't seem to work for me as the less i smoke the more i like it.
Isn't this a win/win? Smoke less, enjoy it more?
From the perspective of someone who doesn't want to quit, yes. But for me it means if I try to cut down before quitting, it makes actually quitting much harder
Quote from: rong on August 03, 2015, 08:14:13 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 03, 2015, 07:14:45 PM
Quote from: rong on July 31, 2015, 02:43:04 PM
cutting down doesn't seem to work for me as the less i smoke the more i like it.
Isn't this a win/win? Smoke less, enjoy it more?
From the perspective of someone who doesn't want to quit, yes. But for me it means if I try to cut down before quitting, it makes actually quitting much harder
Your logic. It is terrible. It is actually kind of amazing how terrible it is. I am impressed.
I'm am speaking from experience.
Imagine you eat 20 donuts a day. You don't really like them much and want to stop eating them but for some reason its really hard to stop.
So instead of quitting, you decide to just limit yourself to 1 or 2 donuts per day. They now become the highlight of your day and you can't really focus on anything because you spend all day thinking about how fucking good that donut is gonna be after you get off work.
As soon as you finish eating it you become remorseful because you have finished your last donut for the day. You start going to bed earlier and earlier because it brings tomorrow sooner and with tomorrow cones another donut.
You keep this up for maybe a week or two and decide that you are just torturing yourself by limiting your donurt intake and realize you should have just quit them all together. Except now donuts aren't something you don't care for much, now YOU FUCKING LOVE THEM.
Quote from: rong on August 03, 2015, 09:28:02 PM
I'm am speaking from experience.
Imagine you eat 20 donuts a day. You don't really like them much and want to stop eating them but for some reason its really hard to stop.
So instead of quitting, you decide to just limit yourself to 1 or 2 donuts per day. They now become the highlight of your day and you can't really focus on anything because you spend all day thinking about how fucking good that donut is gonna be after you get off work.
As soon as you finish eating it you become remorseful because you have finished your last donut for the day. You start going to bed earlier and earlier because it brings tomorrow sooner and with tomorrow cones another donut.
You keep this up for maybe a week or two and decide that you are just torturing yourself by limiting your donurt intake and realize you should have just quit them all together. Except now donuts aren't something you don't care for much, now YOU FUCKING LOVE THEM.
Yeah, except imagine now that you are two weeks away from finishing a degree in neuropsychology, and are aware that this is a response to a physical addiction that has resulted in a steep downregulation of your donut-sugar receptors, and that the only way to upregulate them again so that other things also can give you the sensation of sweetness is to put fewer donuts into your body. And then imagine that you are aware that the logic behind not cutting back because it makes you enjoy your donuts more is completely driven not by logic, but by addiction, and that by NOT ACTUALLY QUITTING RIGHT NOW, ie. the fact that you are still smoking, you are completely negating the alleged benefit of not cutting back.
I'm not saying that the addiction isn't real, I'm just saying that the logic behind not cutting back is hilarious.
i think you just like to pick on me
Quote from: rong on August 04, 2015, 01:19:18 AM
i think you just like to pick on me
Not specifically. I like to pick on bad ideas, because they are easy to identify regardless of who holds them. I am cursed with a terrible memory for people and things people do, which means that unless someone really, REALLY stands out as a major asshole, for example RWHN, I can't effectively carry a grudge or single someone out for long-term bullying. I blame it on the epilepsy, but it's also possible that I just don't care enough.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 03, 2015, 07:25:12 PM
FWIW I know both of the researchers who are frequently cited for their research in e-cig safety, and they are emphatic that even though there are health risks with e-cigs they are absolutely vastly dwarfed by the known dangers of smoking real cigarettes.
According to my doctor, vaporizers are linked to cardiopulmonary disease, but with about 3% the incidence rate of cigarettes.
Maybe a stupid question - but are vaporizers and e-cigs the same thing?
Perhaps you are confusing me with Alty, who actually just likes picking on you because he thinks you're awful and dumb?
Quote from: rong on August 04, 2015, 01:41:39 AM
Maybe a stupid question - but are vaporizers and e-cigs the same thing?
Nope, but they're similar enough not to matter for health purposes, except that you can get unflavored vaporizer fluid, which means you know what you're inhaling.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 04, 2015, 01:37:03 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 03, 2015, 07:25:12 PM
FWIW I know both of the researchers who are frequently cited for their research in e-cig safety, and they are emphatic that even though there are health risks with e-cigs they are absolutely vastly dwarfed by the known dangers of smoking real cigarettes.
According to my doctor, vaporizers are linked to cardiopulmonary disease, but with about 3% the incidence rate of cigarettes.
Well, there is so far exactly zero conclusive research indicating that, but there is some preliminary research indicating an increased risk of atherosclerosis. Nicotine itself is a pretty toxic substance (and not in a "ZOMG TOXINS!" way) so I wouldn't be surprised if there are some deleterious effects from vaping. Definitely still much better than cigarettes, though.
Quote from: rong on August 04, 2015, 01:41:39 AM
Maybe a stupid question - but are vaporizers and e-cigs the same thing?
Yes, unless people are referring to a different kind of vaporizer, like the ones that are for smoking the pots.
My doctor got Nigeled. :lulz:
According to the CDC, the risks of e-cigs consist of: Unknown, none proven.
I am gonna give that man a ration of shit.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 04, 2015, 01:55:29 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 04, 2015, 01:37:03 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 03, 2015, 07:25:12 PM
FWIW I know both of the researchers who are frequently cited for their research in e-cig safety, and they are emphatic that even though there are health risks with e-cigs they are absolutely vastly dwarfed by the known dangers of smoking real cigarettes.
According to my doctor, vaporizers are linked to cardiopulmonary disease, but with about 3% the incidence rate of cigarettes.
Well, there is so far exactly zero conclusive research indicating that, but there is some preliminary research indicating an increased risk of atherosclerosis. Nicotine itself is a pretty toxic substance (and not in a "ZOMG TOXINS!" way) so I wouldn't be surprised if there are some deleterious effects from vaping. Definitely still much better than cigarettes, though.
I would figure that we won't have conclusive information on the effects of vaporizers for at least a few decades, since they're still fairly new. Additionally, a lot of people using them have history of smoking, so linking vaping to cardiopulmonary disease is confounded by that.
So really, people of all types should vape it up, because we need DATA, damn it!
e cig paraphernalia has been ordered. if i did my research right, and i can successfully get off "analog" cigs, i'm gonna save a fuckload of money so i got that going for me too
Quote from: rong on August 05, 2015, 03:34:46 AM
e cig paraphernalia has been ordered. if i did my research right, and i can successfully get off "analog" cigs, i'm gonna save a fuckload of money so i got that going for me too
It costs me about a buck a day.
I am anticipating similar results.
there's so many damn flavors, it's hard to decide where to even begin. i chose three different ones to start. a normal "tobacco" flavor, a chocolate/coffee and a vanilla/caramel type thing if memory serves.
Quote from: rong on August 05, 2015, 06:01:30 AM
I am anticipating similar results.
there's so many damn flavors, it's hard to decide where to even begin. i chose three different ones to start. a normal "tobacco" flavor, a chocolate/coffee and a vanilla/caramel type thing if memory serves.
Flavors don't always work out well.
I use unflavored. Less chance of inhaling blueberry fucking bubblegum that's been in someone's pants.
e cig paraphernalia should be waiting for me in my mailbox when i get home.
wish me luck
Quote from: rong on August 11, 2015, 12:24:09 AM
e cig paraphernalia should be waiting for me in my mailbox when i get home.
wish me luck
Good luck.
If you'll take my advice, you'll ONLY use the e-cigs. If you use cigs too, eventually all you use is cigs.
point heard, acknowledged, considered and taken
24 hrs with no regular cigs. I wouldnt say so far so good but I haven't killed anybody.
Quote from: rong on August 13, 2015, 03:12:56 AM
24 hrs with no regular cigs. I wouldnt say so far so good but I haven't killed anybody.
Within a week, you'll wonder what the fuss was about. And you'll be glad you switched.
I bought a new tank. Kangertech SubOhm mini. I had to drastically cut the nicotine in the juice because it gives so much steam.
Day 4 with no regular cigs. Still not great but easily tolerable.
I have gone from missing and craving old school cigs to thinking if I had one it would be "dirty" and "uncivilized"
So far have opted not to "prove myself right"
My battery is 1000mAh and seems to be taking about 12 hrs before the battery meter drops away from showing fully charged so I don't think I'm "chain vaping" too badly.
T5 juice started giving me a headache but after going back to the flavored stuff I started with I'm feeling much better.
Shit makes me thirsty though - drinking more water is a plus, right?
I've also been able to not "vape" in the places I never smoked. I think that's an important boundary to maintain.
The biggest hurdle, which I find terribly ironic, is that "vaping" feels "silly" and is a little embarrassing - you know, cuz smoking cigarettes just makes so much more sense :lulz:
Quote from: rong on August 16, 2015, 02:26:48 AM
Day 4 with no regular cigs. Still not great but easily tolerable.
I have gone from missing and craving old school cigs to thinking if I had one it would be "dirty" and "uncivilized"
So far have opted not to "prove myself right"
My battery is 1000mAh and seems to be taking about 12 hrs before the battery meter drops away from showing fully charged so I don't think I'm "chain vaping" too badly.
T5 juice started giving me a headache but after going back to the flavored stuff I started with I'm feeling much better.
Shit makes me thirsty though - drinking more water is a plus, right?
I've also been able to not "vape" in the places I never smoked. I think that's an important boundary to maintain.
The biggest hurdle, which I find terribly ironic, is that "vaping" feels "silly" and is a little embarrassing - you know, cuz smoking cigarettes just makes so much more sense :lulz:
Yeah, smoking at that point would have been cheap, for me.
And yes. Lots and lots of water.
2 weeks as of today. after 1 week i had one real cigarette to see if i was torturing myself - cuz it felt like i was. it didn't taste very good and was not satisfying at all.
a few days ago, my battery died and i had one more real cigarette with the same results - i just don't like them much anymore.
i've found that i miss the smell of regular cigarettes, but that's about it. every other aspect of the e-cig is better.
i ordered some "lower octane" e-juice and another battery and tank as i think i may be getting too much nicotine with the stuff i have now (or at least more than i really need) and i don't want to be caught with a dead battery again.
thanks, everyone, for helping me decide to give it a go.
I'm hopping on this. On day 3 of Wellbutrin for a quit date of September 18th.
I've fucked around with e-cigs...the one-use kind. Problem there is they taste and feel like meth-cut, which is still a pretty fucked up trigger for me (I got goose-bumps even writing that sentence). If the Wellbutrin doesn't take, I may look into one of the more expensive rigs that aren't quite so metallic and hope for a different result.
Its been over a month for me and so far so good.
The disposable e-cigs taste like ass.
The lower nicotine juice tastes better. Started with 24 mg, been on 18 mg for the last week and felt like I was getting too much nicotine so I just picked up a bottle of 12 mg to try out
Nice. That's encouraging.
So outside of a few days here and there where the county was hosting me, today was the first day in 21 years where I haven't smoked a single cigarette.
I'm not sure how much the Wellbutrin is helping. Seems like the kind of thing where not noticing it is the idea. It has had me feeling weird the last few days in general, so if anything, it was less jarring feeling as weird as I did not including a cigarette with every damn activity today. I don't think that's what it's meant to do, but I'll take it.
Also, this fucking sucks.
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on September 20, 2015, 07:45:46 AM
Nice. That's encouraging.
So outside of a few days here and there where the county was hosting me, today was the first day in 21 years where I haven't smoked a single cigarette.
I'm not sure how much the Wellbutrin is helping. Seems like the kind of thing where not noticing it is the idea. It has had me feeling weird the last few days in general, so if anything, it was less jarring feeling as weird as I did not including a cigarette with every damn activity today. I don't think that's what it's meant to do, but I'll take it.
Also, this fucking sucks.
Congratulations!
If you want to borrow my psychopharmacology textbook and read about nicotine in the brain, you're welcome to it.
Ooh. Thanks. I've been reading up on it. Actually helps quite a bit.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 20, 2015, 04:53:58 PM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on September 20, 2015, 07:45:46 AM
Nice. That's encouraging.
So outside of a few days here and there where the county was hosting me, today was the first day in 21 years where I haven't smoked a single cigarette.
I'm not sure how much the Wellbutrin is helping. Seems like the kind of thing where not noticing it is the idea. It has had me feeling weird the last few days in general, so if anything, it was less jarring feeling as weird as I did not including a cigarette with every damn activity today. I don't think that's what it's meant to do, but I'll take it.
Also, this fucking sucks.
Congratulations!
If you want to borrow my psychopharmacology textbook and read about nicotine in the brain, you're welcome to it.
been on 12 mg nicotine and feeling fine for the last week or so.
i also picked up some propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine and tried diluting my older 24mg stuff down to what i figure is approx 12 mg and it tastes fine.
i burned my last (open) pack of cigarettes and gave away the "emergency" pack that i was keeping in my work locker. i just don't like them anymore.
i've been keeping track of expenditures and, even though i've bought 3 batteries, 4 tanks (gotta have backups for the backups) and way more juice than i need i figure i'm about $100 ahead of where i'd be if i was still smoking regular cigs.
i should have enough supply to last me til January or February.
it's unreal how much better it is and how much cheaper it is.
Congratulations!
I am barely smoking at all these days. In some ways I think smoking is a weird anxious tic for me... that and something I actually enjoy once in a while at parties. They don't have cigarettes where I was staying in Peru, so I didn't smoke (or drink, really) there, and now I am just not that into either. I like my wine still, though, oh yes, and I'm smoking pot regularly, which seems to actually be really good for my sleep and maybe a little bit for my mood (although I am slightly more prone to emotional dissociation when I'm stoned).
updates, yo!
as of today I have been nicotine free for 1 week. I have had an occasional "placebo puff" on 0mg nicotine e-juice but don't feel like I need it. haven't had any today - but that banana cream pie is just so yummy.
few things I've noticed - I don't seem to drink as much coffee. It feels like I'm drinking more beer - I don't think I actually am, but it feels like I am.
I've gained about 20 lbs :cry: i think its from metabolic changes due to reduced nicotine and caffeine but who knows . . . maybe i am drinking more beer than before . . .
Quote from: rong on March 03, 2016, 10:19:39 PM
updates, yo!
as of today I have been nicotine free for 1 week. I have had an occasional "placebo puff" on 0mg nicotine e-juice but don't feel like I need it. haven't had any today - but that banana cream pie is just so yummy.
few things I've noticed - I don't seem to drink as much coffee. It feels like I'm drinking more beer - I don't think I actually am, but it feels like I am.
I've gained about 20 lbs :cry: i think its from metabolic changes due to reduced nicotine and caffeine but who knows . . . maybe i am drinking more beer than before . . .
You're eating more because you're not smoking. This happens to damn near everyone. Track your diet.
Does gum chewing help with the post-smoking weight? Like, do smokers eat more because oral tic needs replacing, or is it a metabolism thing?
It's a "not anywhere near as hungry so simply shoving more food into your face" thing.
Personally speaking, I find it's the hand gesture/motions that are harder to mimic, but also why I suspect many do well with e-cig stuff. I suppose shovelling food could work in a pinch, particularly crappy snacks. Constant hand/mouth motion would probably have at least a mild placebo effect.
I'm all about that VAPE LIIIIIFE BRA. RBA TRITON 2 drippin tank, .000051 OHMS, 69 MG NIC using INFANT HAIR instead of cotton, got a 300watt Sigelei mod, but I plug it into the wall so I can get to 600 WATTS BRA. CHECK MY CLOUDS BRA, KINGS ISLAND HAUNT DON'T NEED FOG MACHINES IF I'M WORKIN.
Congratulations on quitting smoking, though.
Thankfully, because I smoked a full-bodied Cuban cigar and got severe Tobacco sickness (Not buzz, and it lasted over an hour) when I was getting addicted, I can't have any relevant amount of nicotine or I pass out or get depressed and sick. So no nicotine addiction for me. I'm just addicted to everything else that's stimulating.