http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/after-wendy-daviss-filibuster-texas-abortion-bill-misses-deadline/2013/06/26/b76fd2a8-de68-11e2-b797-cbd4cb13f9c6_story.html
QuoteLawmakers in Texas failed to approve a stringent new abortion law in advance of a midnight deadline Tuesday night after chaotic protests and an 11-hour filibuster by state Sen. Wendy Davis.
I must say, I was sucked in by this one. Stayed up until 1:30 following various tweets and FB updates, and newsbloggers. I especially like the part where the GOP decided it wasn't 12:06 when they put it to a vote, but rather 11:66. Interesting to have a bunch of state senators committing fraud and abuse of power in "front" of 180,000 spectators.
But this morning, I (along with being very, very tired) felt vaguely let down. I was part of the spectacle; and judging by how things went down in Wisconsin, there will eventually be another bill, or vote, or some such asshattery bullshit that will shut down abortion clinics in TX. I really did feel the mob hype. I was awed, elated, furious, and then... nothing much.
Wendy Davis was very impressive, staying standing and talking for 11 hours to a hostile and abusive senate. And there have been a few good memequotes you'll be seeing on FB for the next few weeks. But was it truly successful, or did we just stave off the inevitable for another six months?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on June 26, 2013, 06:59:57 PM
I especially like the part where the GOP decided it wasn't 12:06 when they put it to a vote, but rather 11:66.
:lulz:
TUCSON, GET OUT OF TEXAS. YOU'RE DRUNK.
To that last question:
I have a renewed sense of hope. I don't know what it is, but there seems to be more people willing to do this, to literally take a stand for what's right. I can't remember her name, but the one who wrote that letter RE: banksters.
Just these two women alone give my cynical heart a glimmer of hope.
I think it may just be a matter of time. Eventually these old, stupid bastards will die, and yes their children will continue their great work, but not all of them. And maybe less and less with each generation.
So there's a light at the end of the tunnel. I think. It just happens to be the sun, which, you know....
Quote from: Alty on June 26, 2013, 07:13:36 PM
To that last question:
I have a renewed sense of hope. I don't know what it is, but there seems to be more people willing to do this, to literally take a stand for what's right. I can't remember her name, but the one who wrote that letter RE: banksters.
Just these two women alone give my cynical heart a glimmer of hope.
I think it may just be a matter of time. Eventually these old, stupid bastards will die, and yes their children will continue their great work, but not all of them. And maybe less and less with each generation.
So there's a light at the end of the tunnel. I think. It just happens to be the sun, which, you know....
"Optical illusion. The tunnel is a well, and you're looking up from the bottom."
The above line, spoken to my boss, had interesting results.
Oh, I'm gonna use that one.
What kind of results?
Quote from: Alty on June 26, 2013, 07:16:37 PM
Oh, I'm gonna use that one.
What kind of results?
"WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? GET OUT OF MY OFF...MY CONFERENCE ROOM!"
:lulz:
It's a baby step, but I can't imagine they're going to let that kind of a filibuster happen again. The old rich white men will get their way somehow.
In the meantime, that woman needs to run for governor.
QuoteBut this morning, I (along with being very, very tired) felt vaguely let down. I was part of the spectacle; and judging by how things went down in Wisconsin, there will eventually be another bill, or vote, or some such asshattery bullshit that will shut down abortion clinics in TX. I really did feel the mob hype. I was awed, elated, furious, and then... nothing much.
Wendy Davis was very impressive, staying standing and talking for 11 hours to a hostile and abusive senate. And there have been a few good memequotes you'll be seeing on FB for the next few weeks. But was it truly successful, or did we just stave off the inevitable for another six months?
Politics never ends. There is no eternal victory, no final state of perfection which can be achieved.
Of course the Republicans are going to try and smuggle another bill in. Of course the Democrats will attempt to fillibuster it. Of course this will go round and round in circles, probably without resolution, as the problem is not one of technical efficiency or scientific knowledge, but one of ethics and morality, and so open to endless interpretation and debate. Maybe one day in the future, there will be enough people to make abortion a constitutional right. Or maybe to ban it, constitutionally. But even then, it will be contested, just like the constant attempts to chip away at the 2nd and 4th amendments.
You can't ever
win, you can only hope to stave off defeat for another day.
Quote from: Suu on June 26, 2013, 07:34:30 PM
It's a baby step, but I can't imagine they're going to let that kind of a filibuster happen again. The old rich white men will get their way somehow.
In the meantime, that woman needs to run for governor.
We had an OK governor here once. The Bush campaign started a rumor that she was a lesbian.
You know, like high school bullshit. That's all it took.
http://www.laweekly.com/2004-09-16/news/don-t-mess-with-texas/
NEWSFLASH: Texas is fucking hopeless, Ann Richards couldn't fix it, Wendy Davis isn't gonna fix it, it's NEVER GOING TO GET BETTER.
I'd like to see Wendy get elected anyway, though, just to watch these guys have a series of aneurysms.
http://www.motherjones.com/transition/inter.php?dest=http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/texas-republicans-wendy-davis-abortion-filibuster
ANNNNND http://www.texastribune.org/2013/06/26/rick-perry-calls-second-special-session/
Get the coat hangers. :x
Oh, and it's not complete without THIS (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/26/texas-republican-calls-pro-choice-crowd-terrorist/).
My state just passed something where if you're on medicaid, the governor has to personally review the case before allowing it to be paid for.
Not sure how the fuck that's legal.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/06/25/2210571/iowa-governor-medicaid-abortion-coverage/?mobile=nc (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/06/25/2210571/iowa-governor-medicaid-abortion-coverage/?mobile=nc)
*edit* Now with a link.
<------------- Is so fucking glad she lives in the People's Republic of New England.
They tried to touch abortions last year in Rhode Island.
Once.
That woman who brought up the ultrasound bill disappeared from the General Assembly. It took one protest and she was forced to resign. Then she disappeared from the state entirely. You do NOT fuck with rights up here................................
........except for guns, but that's mostly Massachusetts. We don't talk about those people. Or Texas North. (NH.) But at least NH has gay marriage and legal, safe abortions.
Quote from: Alty on June 26, 2013, 07:13:36 PM
To that last question:
I have a renewed sense of hope. I don't know what it is, but there seems to be more people willing to do this, to literally take a stand for what's right. I can't remember her name, but the one who wrote that letter RE: banksters.
Just these two women alone give my cynical heart a glimmer of hope.
I think it may just be a matter of time. Eventually these old, stupid bastards will die, and yes their children will continue their great work, but not all of them. And maybe less and less with each generation.
So there's a light at the end of the tunnel. I think. It just happens to be the sun, which, you know....
Remember being a good god fearing christian Republican requires lots of work. Nobody has time for that shit. Eventually the GOP will go away or reform.
I find it a very bad sign that our politicians are reduced to running out the clock in order to try to stop bad legislation. I'm glad she did it, but wow.... it really says something horrible about the political situation in this country :(
http://www.texastribune.org/2013/06/26/rick-perry-calls-second-special-session/
QuotePerry said. "Texans value life and want to protect women and the unborn..."
Because surely we females need protecting from ourselves and our ability to decide whether we want to have a baby at that time or not.
http://www.npr.org/2013/05/23/186303141/health-officials-decry-texas-snubbing-of-medicaid-billions
Quote
The state of Texas is turning down billions of federal dollars that would have paid for health care coverage for 1.5 million poor Texans.
By refusing to participate in Medicaid expansion, which is part of the Affordable Care Act, the state will leave on the table an estimated $100 billion over the next decade.
Texas' share of the cost would have been just 7 percent of the total, but for Gov. Rick Perry and the state's Republican-dominated Legislature, even $1 in the name of "Obamacare" was a dollar too much.
...Yeah, I can just feel the LOVE.
:nuke:
Do you think the Dems can muster up the strength for another filibuster?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on June 27, 2013, 02:40:49 PM
Do you think the Dems can muster up the strength for another filibuster?
I honestly don't know...Sometimes it's better for my mental balance and innards not to pay attention to certain things.
The morons in my statehouse are one of the things that I can't fix and that really piss me off.
...Basically, whenever they're in session, I'm always braced for bad news. This special session just gives them more time to fuck with things.
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on June 27, 2013, 02:19:56 PM
http://www.texastribune.org/2013/06/26/rick-perry-calls-second-special-session/
QuotePerry said. "Texans value life and want to protect women and the unborn..."
Because surely we females need protecting from ourselves and our ability to decide whether we want to have a baby at that time or not.
http://www.npr.org/2013/05/23/186303141/health-officials-decry-texas-snubbing-of-medicaid-billions
Quote
The state of Texas is turning down billions of federal dollars that would have paid for health care coverage for 1.5 million poor Texans.
By refusing to participate in Medicaid expansion, which is part of the Affordable Care Act, the state will leave on the table an estimated $100 billion over the next decade.
Texas' share of the cost would have been just 7 percent of the total, but for Gov. Rick Perry and the state's Republican-dominated Legislature, even $1 in the name of "Obamacare" was a dollar too much.
...Yeah, I can just feel the LOVE.
:nuke:
Yep. It's like Obamacare never happened here.
Stock up on Chinese patent medicine and don't bother with the ER, they'll try to send you someplace that requires insurance.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on June 27, 2013, 02:40:49 PM
Do you think the Dems can muster up the strength for another filibuster?
If that Mother Jones article is to believed, the next one is a 30 day session and Wendy would have to stand there and talk for a couple of weeks. So no.
Quote from: stelz on June 27, 2013, 02:56:06 PM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on June 27, 2013, 02:19:56 PM
http://www.texastribune.org/2013/06/26/rick-perry-calls-second-special-session/
QuotePerry said. "Texans value life and want to protect women and the unborn..."
Because surely we females need protecting from ourselves and our ability to decide whether we want to have a baby at that time or not.
http://www.npr.org/2013/05/23/186303141/health-officials-decry-texas-snubbing-of-medicaid-billions
Quote
The state of Texas is turning down billions of federal dollars that would have paid for health care coverage for 1.5 million poor Texans.
By refusing to participate in Medicaid expansion, which is part of the Affordable Care Act, the state will leave on the table an estimated $100 billion over the next decade.
Texas' share of the cost would have been just 7 percent of the total, but for Gov. Rick Perry and the state's Republican-dominated Legislature, even $1 in the name of "Obamacare" was a dollar too much.
...Yeah, I can just feel the LOVE.
:nuke:
Yep. It's like Obamacare never happened here.
Stock up on Chinese patent medicine and don't bother with the ER, they'll try to send you someplace that requires insurance.
Funny, I just ordered some meds from the lovely island nation of Vanuatu. I can say that Indian pharma copies have served me well.
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on June 27, 2013, 03:04:36 PM
Quote from: stelz on June 27, 2013, 02:56:06 PM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on June 27, 2013, 02:19:56 PM
http://www.texastribune.org/2013/06/26/rick-perry-calls-second-special-session/
QuotePerry said. "Texans value life and want to protect women and the unborn..."
Because surely we females need protecting from ourselves and our ability to decide whether we want to have a baby at that time or not.
http://www.npr.org/2013/05/23/186303141/health-officials-decry-texas-snubbing-of-medicaid-billions
Quote
The state of Texas is turning down billions of federal dollars that would have paid for health care coverage for 1.5 million poor Texans.
By refusing to participate in Medicaid expansion, which is part of the Affordable Care Act, the state will leave on the table an estimated $100 billion over the next decade.
Texas' share of the cost would have been just 7 percent of the total, but for Gov. Rick Perry and the state's Republican-dominated Legislature, even $1 in the name of "Obamacare" was a dollar too much.
...Yeah, I can just feel the LOVE.
:nuke:
Yep. It's like Obamacare never happened here.
Stock up on Chinese patent medicine and don't bother with the ER, they'll try to send you someplace that requires insurance.
Funny, I just ordered some meds from the lovely island nation of Vanuatu. I can say that Indian pharma copies have served me well.
I couldn't even WALK last fall. I stayed on the couch for over a month eating Yunnan Baiyao until it luckily went away.
I mean, why get x-rayed? Either nothing's broken and they send you home, or something's broken and they tell you to go someplace you can't get into.
Texas also turned down cash for the West explosion.
Then they took it and got butthurt when they didn't get more on request.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 27, 2013, 03:30:34 PM
Texas also turned down cash for the West explosion.
Then they took it and got butthurt when they didn't get more on request.
Yep, that's them.
I wonder how much got skimmed off to pay for their cars and vacation homes...
http://prospect.org/article/rick-perry-attacks-wendy-davis-worst-way-possible
Rick Perry.
Unsurprised.
Quote from: Pixie on June 27, 2013, 06:40:42 PM
http://prospect.org/article/rick-perry-attacks-wendy-davis-worst-way-possible
Rick Perry.
Unsurprised.
Dismal.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 27, 2013, 06:41:47 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 27, 2013, 06:40:42 PM
http://prospect.org/article/rick-perry-attacks-wendy-davis-worst-way-possible
Rick Perry.
Unsurprised.
Dismal.
Just another fucktard Texan with vagina envy and hostility from the constant frustration of repressing his craving for big hard dicks.
Stelz
illegitimate
single mom
pro choice
Quote from: stelz on June 27, 2013, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 27, 2013, 06:41:47 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 27, 2013, 06:40:42 PM
http://prospect.org/article/rick-perry-attacks-wendy-davis-worst-way-possible
Rick Perry.
Unsurprised.
Dismal.
Just another fucktard Texan with vagina envy and hostility from the constant frustration of repressing his craving for big hard dicks.
Stelz
illegitimate
single mom
pro choice
Frankly, it's embarrassing.
NOT IN FRONT OF THE EUROPEANS, RICK! GODDAMMIT!
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 27, 2013, 06:48:17 PM
Quote from: stelz on June 27, 2013, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 27, 2013, 06:41:47 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 27, 2013, 06:40:42 PM
http://prospect.org/article/rick-perry-attacks-wendy-davis-worst-way-possible
Rick Perry.
Unsurprised.
Dismal.
Just another fucktard Texan with vagina envy and hostility from the constant frustration of repressing his craving for big hard dicks.
Stelz
illegitimate
single mom
pro choice
Frankly, it's embarrassing.
NOT IN FRONT OF THE EUROPEANS, RICK! GODDAMMIT!
Too late. America
(TM) has shown its obese, pimply, Jesus-tattooed ass for DECADES now. The damage is irrevocably DONE.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 27, 2013, 08:43:51 AM
I find it a very bad sign that our politicians are reduced to running out the clock in order to try to stop bad legislation. I'm glad she did it, but wow.... it really says something horrible about the political situation in this country :(
This. Anyone care to take a shot at explaining how exactly filibustering is democratic? It got used for good here, but as has been noted it has and will be again used to do at least as much harm.
I guess both sides see it as an integral part of the system regardless. Just sounds like screaming long enough until you get what you want to me.
Hey Cain,
QuoteYou can't ever win, you can only hope to stave off defeat for another day.
Upbeat mood for the moment, but I'm not sure about this. I guess it depends on what you call "winning". If you're debating the same issues repeatedly, then yeah, that's not a win. How about when you get what you want and then move the debate forward? I'd say the civil rights movement would be a good example here. It's not perfect but coming out as straight up racist now will alienate more voters (generally) than it will gain you. Net result would be that the change is accepted as a new norm.
I'm thinking the trick is to always keep pushing, and push big. Seems to make it easier to hold political gains?
I know I'm wrong here somewhere, just not sure where or why.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/rick-perry-wendy-davis_n_3510844.html
this motherfucker.
Edit: oops sorry Pix, I didn't see your link first.
"The target area is only two meters wide. It's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port. The shaft leads directly to the reactor system. A precise hit will start a chain reaction which should destroy the station. Only a precise hit will set off a chain reaction. The shaft is ray-shielded, so you'll have to use proton torpedoes. "
ACCURATE INTERCOURSE, FTW.
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/27/1219209/-More-anti-abortion-wisdom-from-Texas-Only-accurate-intercourse-causes-nbsp-pregnancy
Quote from: Suu on June 28, 2013, 03:55:38 PM
"The target area is only two meters wide. It's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port. The shaft leads directly to the reactor system. A precise hit will start a chain reaction which should destroy the station. Only a precise hit will set off a chain reaction. The shaft is ray-shielded, so you'll have to use proton torpedoes. "
ACCURATE INTERCOURSE, FTW.
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/27/1219209/-More-anti-abortion-wisdom-from-Texas-Only-accurate-intercourse-causes-nbsp-pregnancy
:lulz:
QuoteThis has been the same debate that featured another Texas legislative genius dismissing rape pregnancies because women who have been raped—"accurately" raped, I suppose will be the new term for it—have access to "what's called rape kits where a woman can get cleaned out."
We need to start a betting pool as to what the next fucked up adjective will be when discussing rape.
So far, we have
Legitimate
Gift-From-God
Honest
Emergency
Easy
Forcible
Enjoyable
and now,
Accurate
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on June 28, 2013, 04:25:51 PM
We need to start a betting pool as to what the next fucked up adjective will be when discussing rape.
So far, we have
Legitimate
Gift-From-God
Honest
Emergency
Easy
Forcible
Enjoyable
And now rape kits that clean women out. :lulz:
They've got this big fire hose, see...
Aha! Found the actual quote:
Quote from: Texas State Rep. Jodie Laubenberg
"We have funded what's called rape kits that will help the woman, basically clean her out. And then hopefully that will alleviate that."
And here she is:
(http://cdn.ph.upi.com/sv/em/i/UPI-3311372104565/2013/1/13721103646391/Texas-State-Rep-thinks-rape-kits-cause-abortion.jpg)
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/Blog/2013/06/24/Texas-State-Rep-thinks-rape-kits-cause-abortion/3311372104565/#ixzz2XWcW25MC
Also worth mentioning:
Quote
Laubenberg had opposed an amendment to make an exception for victims of rape and incest.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 28, 2013, 04:26:59 PM
They've got this big fire hose, see...
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1411537/drink-from-the-firehose-o.gif)
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
The whole point here, Pixie, isn't about the act of abortion.
It's about
punishing you dirty, dirty womenfolk for having sex all unregulated and shit. This is one of two reasons they oppose contraception, as well.
The other reason is that they assume that teenagers will be fucking until they get speed burns, if contraception is made available. Sort of like how they started butt-chugging by the millions, etc, etc.
But it's mostly the punishment thing. They WANT women to die in botched abortions, because you're DIRTY AND WRONG because you have bits.
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
I shut a pro-lifer up yesterday when I brought that up.
"Would you want your daughter to be subjected to a back alley coat hanger abortion? She'll probably contract sepsis, not tell you because she would be afraid, and then die. Yeah, now THAT is MY American Dream!"
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 28, 2013, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
The whole point here, Pixie, isn't about the act of abortion.
It's about punishing you dirty, dirty womenfolk for having sex all unregulated and shit. This is one of two reasons they oppose contraception, as well.
The other reason is that they assume that teenagers will be fucking until they get speed burns, if contraception is made available. Sort of like how they started butt-chugging by the millions, etc, etc.
But it's mostly the punishment thing. They WANT women to die in botched abortions, because you're DIRTY AND WRONG because you have bits.
It's because if we control our sex organs, we might not have sex with white men and pop out white babies.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 28, 2013, 05:25:51 PM
It's because if we control our sex organs, we might not have sex with white men and pop out white babies.
I'd amend that to: "It's because if we control our sex organs, we might not do as we're told."
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 28, 2013, 05:26:57 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 28, 2013, 05:25:51 PM
It's because if we control our sex organs, we might not have sex with white men and pop out white babies.
I'd amend that to: "It's because if we control our sex organs, we might not do as we're told."
that
Quote from: Suu on June 28, 2013, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
I shut a pro-lifer up yesterday when I bought that up.
"Would you want your daughter to be subjected to a back alley coat hanger abortion? She'll probably contract sepsis, not tell you because she would be afraid, and then die. Yeah, now THAT is MY American Dream!"
NICE WORK, SUU
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: Suu on June 28, 2013, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
I shut a pro-lifer up yesterday when I bought that up.
"Would you want your daughter to be subjected to a back alley coat hanger abortion? She'll probably contract sepsis, not tell you because she would be afraid, and then die. Yeah, now THAT is MY American Dream!"
NICE WORK, SUU
Won't have any effect at all. Abortions don't happen to THAT lady's kid. They happen to poor and/or smudgy kids.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 28, 2013, 05:36:57 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: Suu on June 28, 2013, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
I shut a pro-lifer up yesterday when I bought that up.
"Would you want your daughter to be subjected to a back alley coat hanger abortion? She'll probably contract sepsis, not tell you because she would be afraid, and then die. Yeah, now THAT is MY American Dream!"
NICE WORK, SUU
Won't have any effect at all. Abortions don't happen to THAT lady's kid. They happen to poor and/or smudgy kids.
Right, she wasn't brown. She was a God-Fearin' proper American. Whatever those are.
Rich, normally.
Quote from: Suu on June 28, 2013, 03:55:38 PM
"The target area is only two meters wide. It's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port. The shaft leads directly to the reactor system. A precise hit will start a chain reaction which should destroy the station. Only a precise hit will set off a chain reaction. The shaft is ray-shielded, so you'll have to use proton torpedoes. "
ACCURATE INTERCOURSE, FTW.
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/27/1219209/-More-anti-abortion-wisdom-from-Texas-Only-accurate-intercourse-causes-nbsp-pregnancy
His WIFE'S target area is two meters wide.
Most of them are MUCH smaller.
Quote from: Suu on June 28, 2013, 04:51:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 28, 2013, 04:26:59 PM
They've got this big fire hose, see...
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1411537/drink-from-the-firehose-o.gif)
From the article:
QuoteHe's a doctor, too.
Maybe it's a GOOD thing they're not letting us have Obamacare.
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
watch out, sounds suspiciously close to a drug thread...
Quote from: Pergamos on June 28, 2013, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
watch out, sounds suspiciously close to a drug thread...
What?
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/wendy-davis-fans-write-hilarious-reviews-her-sneakers-amazon
Quote from: Pergamos on June 28, 2013, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
watch out, sounds suspiciously close to a drug thread...
I don't think we have any pro-lifers here, unless they wandered in from TDS or someplace.
And as far as all the arguments go, I don't even bother with them anymore as a rule. MY PUSSY & UTE IS BELONGS TO ME. NOT RICK PERRY. END OF STORY.
Quote from: stelz on June 28, 2013, 07:02:11 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on June 28, 2013, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
watch out, sounds suspiciously close to a drug thread...
I don't think we have any pro-lifers here, unless they wandered in from TDS or someplace.
And as far as all the arguments go, I don't even bother with them anymore as a rule. MY PUSSY & UTE IS BELONGS TO ME. NOT RICK PERRY. END OF STORY.
Yea, PD's body has a way of shutting pro-lifer's down.
Quote from: Pergamos on June 28, 2013, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
watch out, sounds suspiciously close to a drug thread...
:winner:
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 07:03:55 PM
Quote from: stelz on June 28, 2013, 07:02:11 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on June 28, 2013, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
watch out, sounds suspiciously close to a drug thread...
I don't think we have any pro-lifers here, unless they wandered in from TDS or someplace.
And as far as all the arguments go, I don't even bother with them anymore as a rule. MY PUSSY & UTE IS BELONGS TO ME. NOT RICK PERRY. END OF STORY.
Yea, PD's body has a way of shutting pro-lifer's down.
NEWSFEED THIS SHIT
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 07:01:24 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on June 28, 2013, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
watch out, sounds suspiciously close to a drug thread...
What?
It's the basic drugs arguement. People are going to do it anyways, making it illegal only makes it dangerous and causes more people to be harmed.
Unfortunately it is a sort of logic that the government seems to be sorely lacking which is why abortion was legalized based on a constitutional right to privacy, not to protect the safety of women.
Quote from: Suu on June 28, 2013, 07:07:31 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 07:03:55 PM
Quote from: stelz on June 28, 2013, 07:02:11 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on June 28, 2013, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
watch out, sounds suspiciously close to a drug thread...
I don't think we have any pro-lifers here, unless they wandered in from TDS or someplace.
And as far as all the arguments go, I don't even bother with them anymore as a rule. MY PUSSY & UTE IS BELONGS TO ME. NOT RICK PERRY. END OF STORY.
Yea, PD's body has a way of shutting pro-lifer's down.
NEWSFEED THIS SHIT
On it.
Quote from: Pergamos on June 28, 2013, 07:08:06 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 07:01:24 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on June 28, 2013, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
watch out, sounds suspiciously close to a drug thread...
What?
It's the basic drugs arguement. People are going to do it anyways, making it illegal only makes it dangerous and causes more people to be harmed.
Unfortunately it is a sort of logic that the government seems to be sorely lacking which is why abortion was legalized based on a constitutional right to privacy, not to protect the safety of women.
Um, it was a 9th amendment call, not a 4th amendment call.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 28, 2013, 07:06:32 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on June 28, 2013, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
watch out, sounds suspiciously close to a drug thread...
:winner:
Yea, I'm trying not to go full vengeful femi-amazon on the guy, he seems to have misplaced the funny.
Well, I'm trying to not go all pedantic on his ass.
Roe v Wade was not based on the right to privacy. It was based on amendment IX.
Retracting that. Amendment IX was argued but declined. It was covered under amendment XIV, equal protection under law. Privacy was the issue, but not the legal decision.
Amendment XIV according to wikipedia. It's not the right against search and seizure, but it is still a right to privacy. Specifically arising from the due process clause.
Here's the specific quote concerning the 9th amendment, which had been the rationale for a lower court's decision.
Quote
"The Court declined to adopt the district court's Ninth Amendment rationale, and instead asserted that the "right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the district court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy."[23] Douglas, in his concurring opinion in the companion case Doe v. Bolton, stated more emphatically that, "The Ninth Amendment obviously does not create federally enforceable rights."
Yeah, I pretty much just said that.
Yep, anyways, my point was that the safety arguement that Pixie made, although valid, is one that is made in favor of drug legalization without having swayed the arguement much, and it didn't sway the arguement on abortion either, back when abortion was illegal.
Quote from: Pergamos on June 28, 2013, 07:20:32 PM
Yep, anyways, my point was that the safety arguement that Pixie made, although valid, is one that is made in favor of drug legalization without having swayed the arguement much, and it didn't sway the arguement on abortion either, back when abortion was illegal.
I see. Well, then every thread is a drug thread. Nobody should talk about anything.
PD OVER. SEE YOU SPAGS ON FACEBOOK.
Quote from: Pergamos on June 28, 2013, 07:20:32 PM
Yep, anyways, my point was that the safety arguement that Pixie made, although valid, is one that is made in favor of drug legalization without having swayed the arguement much, and it didn't sway the arguement on abortion either, back when abortion was illegal.
:tyra:
Quote from: Alty on June 28, 2013, 07:53:02 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on June 28, 2013, 07:20:32 PM
Yep, anyways, my point was that the safety arguement that Pixie made, although valid, is one that is made in favor of drug legalization without having swayed the arguement much, and it didn't sway the arguement on abortion either, back when abortion was illegal.
:tyra:
:treefucker: :rush: :belgian: :love:
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 28, 2013, 05:25:51 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 28, 2013, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 28, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
What bugs me about this is that the reason Roe Vs Wade was even enacted into law was that folks were getting abortions anyway and the results were fucking horrific.
you can't make abortion go away. you just make it more dangerous. And damned if those "pro-life" nuts would help kids orphaned by their moms who cannot afford another kid having an unsafe abortion, or actually giving out free contraception, or sex ed that works to prevent abortion.
fucking assholes.
The whole point here, Pixie, isn't about the act of abortion.
It's about punishing you dirty, dirty womenfolk for having sex all unregulated and shit. This is one of two reasons they oppose contraception, as well.
The other reason is that they assume that teenagers will be fucking until they get speed burns, if contraception is made available. Sort of like how they started butt-chugging by the millions, etc, etc.
But it's mostly the punishment thing. They WANT women to die in botched abortions, because you're DIRTY AND WRONG because you have bits.
It's because if we control our sex organs, we might not have sex with white men and pop out white babies.
AND LIKE IT!
Quote from: stelz on June 28, 2013, 06:12:06 PM
Quote from: Suu on June 28, 2013, 04:51:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 28, 2013, 04:26:59 PM
They've got this big fire hose, see...
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1411537/drink-from-the-firehose-o.gif)
From the article:
QuoteHe's a doctor, too.
Maybe it's a GOOD thing they're not letting us have Obamacare.
:(
Quote from: Pergamos on June 28, 2013, 07:20:32 PM
Yep, anyways, my point was that the safety arguement that Pixie made, although valid, is one that is made in favor of drug legalization without having swayed the arguement much, and it didn't sway the arguement on abortion either, back when abortion was illegal.
:lulz: did you really just say that without a glimmer of irony? :lulz:
The Suffrage movement didn't do much to sway the argument on women voting, back when it was still illegal for women to vote... :lol:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 28, 2013, 05:26:57 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 28, 2013, 05:25:51 PM
It's because if we control our sex organs, we might not have sex with white men and pop out white babies.
I'd amend that to: "It's because if we control our sex organs, we might not do as we're told."
Bingo.
Pergamos, I would argue that the safety/health argument, while not invoked in the Supreme Court ruling, worked tremendously to shift public opinion in the case of abortion, much as it has also done for drug decriminalization.
If you are seriously arguing a lack of shift in public opinion over the last few decades, I can only wonder what drugs you are on...
Sir, consider yourself well and truly Nigelled.
:lol: