http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/04/19291222-cops-high-risk-arrest-nets-suspect-with-stolen-weapons-molotov-cocktails-body-armor?lite
And
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/who-forms-emergency-committee-new-mers-virus-6C10549285
That second one is very interesting, and potentially alarming.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 06, 2013, 02:12:50 AM
That second one is very interesting, and potentially alarming.
What's weird is that it's been scaring the dogshit out of the WHO for a solid year, and this is the first I've heard of it.
They seem really concerned for something that hasn't proven to be very contagious yet. But 42 deaths out of 79 cases isn't comforting odds.
MERS has been reported, on and off, by the BBC. But it's never been a high priority story though, it's true.
Cool link to an online news article from a major outlet. This one is definitely better than the link to an online news article from a major outlet in every other thread on this board, IMO.
It's not moving as fast as SARS did. Thankfully, so they make be able to act against it faster. In my readings I'm starting to notice a pattern of these diseases that seem to originate in Asia. You always see these "plagues" that are brought in from the East to the Western World that cause some serious problems. Smallpox (The Antonine Plague) The Plague of Justinian, the Black Death, and the Third Pandemic (Bubonic mutations) are just to name a few. I am in no way a pathologist, so I have no real incite into this other than historical, but I find it fascinating.
My mom was exposed at work a few years ago, we all ended up with SARS.
In my case though? this was prior to sinus surgery number one...and I was like "I can't really tell."
Because it was only *slightly* worse than I'd been daily for a few years from the antibiotic-resistant infection I've STILL got in my FUCKING HEAD!
Fuckers out there need to stop fucking dying from this piddly-ass shit!
Fuckin' pussies.
I had the flu for the first time in almost 10 years this January, it was a strain that was not covered by this season's shot. I don't always get sick, but when I do it's things that can kill people, like scarlet fever, mono, pneumonia, and severe strains of the flu that make it impossible for me to function for days/weeks/months.
Quote from: Suu on July 07, 2013, 12:14:32 AM
In my readings I'm starting to notice a pattern of these diseases that seem to originate in Asia. You always see these "plagues" that are brought in from the East to the Western World that cause some serious problems.
I remember viewing a TV spot about that...
In China and other parts of Asia...well, in non-Muslim areas at any rate, it's pretty typical to keep a few pigs in a pen in the yard...and have chickens wandering around, because chickens help eliminate a lot of insect pests, you know.
...So you have pigs, chickens, and people in close proximity...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2702078/
QuoteBecause swine are susceptible to infection with both avian and human influenza viruses, genetic reassortment between human and avian influenza viruses can occur when these viruses co-infect an individual pig (Scholtissek, 1990). The double (avian/human; human/swine) and triple (human/avian/swine) reassortant influenza A viruses isolated from pigs in the United States or China provide supportive evidence for the "mixing vessel" theory. As early as 1919, Koen, an inspector with the U.S. Bureau of Animal Industry, was pointing out that influenza outbreaks began with either pigs or people, but were then rapidly transferred to each other (1919). In an extensive review of avian influenza Greger (2006) commented: "It was never clear, though, whether the pigs were the culprits or the victims. Did we infect the pigs or did they infect us". It seems that both species are able to infect each other easily
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on July 07, 2013, 01:50:39 AM
Quote from: Suu on July 07, 2013, 12:14:32 AM
In my readings I'm starting to notice a pattern of these diseases that seem to originate in Asia. You always see these "plagues" that are brought in from the East to the Western World that cause some serious problems.
I remember viewing a TV spot about that...
In China and other parts of Asia...well, in non-Muslim areas at any rate, it's pretty typical to keep a few pigs in a pen in the yard...and have chickens wandering around, because chickens help eliminate a lot of insect pests, you know.
...So you have pigs, chickens, and people in close proximity...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2702078/
QuoteBecause swine are susceptible to infection with both avian and human influenza viruses, genetic reassortment between human and avian influenza viruses can occur when these viruses co-infect an individual pig (Scholtissek, 1990). The double (avian/human; human/swine) and triple (human/avian/swine) reassortant influenza A viruses isolated from pigs in the United States or China provide supportive evidence for the "mixing vessel" theory. As early as 1919, Koen, an inspector with the U.S. Bureau of Animal Industry, was pointing out that influenza outbreaks began with either pigs or people, but were then rapidly transferred to each other (1919). In an extensive review of avian influenza Greger (2006) commented: "It was never clear, though, whether the pigs were the culprits or the victims. Did we infect the pigs or did they infect us". It seems that both species are able to infect each other easily
I know it's been reported that way, but the real picture is a bit different from the image of "a few pigs wandering around a barnyard with chickens": whats happening is that massive hog lots where the animals are kept penned and fed waste bedding and dead chickens from the equally unsanitary chicken barns are stellar breeding grounds for both bacteria and viruses.
The same is true in Europe and the US, as well.
For example, http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1898977,00.html
Of course, don't forget LA-MRSA, brought to you by The Netherlands. http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/18/11/11-1850_article.htm
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 07, 2013, 02:23:08 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on July 07, 2013, 01:50:39 AM
Quote from: Suu on July 07, 2013, 12:14:32 AM
In my readings I'm starting to notice a pattern of these diseases that seem to originate in Asia. You always see these "plagues" that are brought in from the East to the Western World that cause some serious problems.
I remember viewing a TV spot about that...
In China and other parts of Asia...well, in non-Muslim areas at any rate, it's pretty typical to keep a few pigs in a pen in the yard...and have chickens wandering around, because chickens help eliminate a lot of insect pests, you know.
...So you have pigs, chickens, and people in close proximity...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2702078/
QuoteBecause swine are susceptible to infection with both avian and human influenza viruses, genetic reassortment between human and avian influenza viruses can occur when these viruses co-infect an individual pig (Scholtissek, 1990). The double (avian/human; human/swine) and triple (human/avian/swine) reassortant influenza A viruses isolated from pigs in the United States or China provide supportive evidence for the "mixing vessel" theory. As early as 1919, Koen, an inspector with the U.S. Bureau of Animal Industry, was pointing out that influenza outbreaks began with either pigs or people, but were then rapidly transferred to each other (1919). In an extensive review of avian influenza Greger (2006) commented: "It was never clear, though, whether the pigs were the culprits or the victims. Did we infect the pigs or did they infect us". It seems that both species are able to infect each other easily
I know it's been reported that way, but the real picture is a bit different from the image of "a few pigs wandering around a barnyard with chickens": whats happening is that massive hog lots where the animals are kept penned and fed waste bedding and dead chickens from the equally unsanitary chicken barns are stellar breeding grounds for both bacteria and viruses.
The same is true in Europe and the US, as well.
Oh, factory farms are a whole different pile of maggot-infested, antibiotic-resistant pathogen-infested shit.
I wasn't aware Asia had really gone in for factory farming like we have.
I was under the impression that a lot of there farming was still small-to-medium sized family farms...
I don't know why, that was pretty dumb of me. After all I was aware millions were moving off the land and into cities in China and elsewhere.
http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_round_up/766495/asian_factory_farming_boom_spreading_animal_diseases_like_avian_influenza.html
Quote'Wealthy countries are effectively dealing with livestock diseases, but in Africa and Asia, the capacity of veterinary services to track and control outbreaks is lagging dangerously behind livestock intensification. This lack of capacity is particularly dangerous because many poor people in the world still rely on farm animals to feed their families, while rising demand for meat, milk and eggs among urban consumers in the developing world is fueling a rapid intensification of livestock production,' he said.
Yeah, they've been relying on factory farming for a long time.
It's important to note that they don't have the same capacity for dealing with outbreaks, but that doesn't mean that's where all of these zoonotic diseases are arising; Europe is the biggest culprit with LA-MRSA and probably E. coli strain ST131, but the Americas brought us the joy of H1N1. Nobody gets left out!
If you like to geek out on this stuff, you can sign up for monthly updates here:
http://www.cdc.gov/Other/emailupdates/
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on July 06, 2013, 06:15:35 AM
They seem really concerned for something that hasn't proven to be very contagious yet. But 42 deaths out of 79 cases isn't comforting odds.
Oh, forgot to mention this.
79 known cases.
...Chances are that most people are clearing it on their own, or their doctors are just throwing anti-inflammatories and antibiotics at them, without any knowledge of what the patient actually has...and then those people clear it, and life goes on.
IOW, it's a selection bias; only the most ill people are going to be
tested to actually see what they have.
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on July 07, 2013, 03:26:42 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on July 06, 2013, 06:15:35 AM
They seem really concerned for something that hasn't proven to be very contagious yet. But 42 deaths out of 79 cases isn't comforting odds.
Oh, forgot to mention this.
79 known cases.
...Chances are that most people are clearing it on their own, or their doctors are just throwing anti-inflammatories and antibiotics at them, without any knowledge of what the patient actually has...and then those people clear it, and life goes on.
IOW, it's a selection bias; only the most ill people are going to be tested to actually see what they have.
That may tend to be true in general with many illnesses, but the reason the tracking information for this is particularly informative in terms of mortality rate is that they have been able to follow
exposures because it has so far been mostly spread in hospitals.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 07, 2013, 03:57:14 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on July 07, 2013, 03:26:42 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on July 06, 2013, 06:15:35 AM
They seem really concerned for something that hasn't proven to be very contagious yet. But 42 deaths out of 79 cases isn't comforting odds.
Oh, forgot to mention this.
79 known cases.
...Chances are that most people are clearing it on their own, or their doctors are just throwing anti-inflammatories and antibiotics at them, without any knowledge of what the patient actually has...and then those people clear it, and life goes on.
IOW, it's a selection bias; only the most ill people are going to be tested to actually see what they have.
That may tend to be true in general with many illnesses, but the reason the tracking information for this is particularly informative in terms of mortality rate is that they have been able to follow exposures because it has so far been mostly spread in hospitals.
Did not
know that...
Ooo-oo...Iatrogenic boogaloo...
http://www.who.int/csr/don/archive/disease/coronavirus_infections/en/index.html
...I'm skimming through things. Caregivers picked it up from their less-healthy patients, that's not good.
I forgot about this...I'd feel remiss if I didn't add it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV938U4Y96w
We should all move to Madagascar.
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on July 07, 2013, 04:32:50 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 07, 2013, 03:57:14 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on July 07, 2013, 03:26:42 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on July 06, 2013, 06:15:35 AM
They seem really concerned for something that hasn't proven to be very contagious yet. But 42 deaths out of 79 cases isn't comforting odds.
Oh, forgot to mention this.
79 known cases.
...Chances are that most people are clearing it on their own, or their doctors are just throwing anti-inflammatories and antibiotics at them, without any knowledge of what the patient actually has...and then those people clear it, and life goes on.
IOW, it's a selection bias; only the most ill people are going to be tested to actually see what they have.
That may tend to be true in general with many illnesses, but the reason the tracking information for this is particularly informative in terms of mortality rate is that they have been able to follow exposures because it has so far been mostly spread in hospitals.
Did not know that...
Ooo-oo...Iatrogenic boogaloo...
http://www.who.int/csr/don/archive/disease/coronavirus_infections/en/index.html
...I'm skimming through things. Caregivers picked it up from their less-healthy patients, that's not good.
In general, if I think I've spotted a glaring logical inconsistency that somehow the CDC completely missed or in some other way I think I am outsmarting all of them, I like to doublecheck my assumptions, since typically they possess more of the facts than I do.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on July 07, 2013, 04:18:02 PM
We should all move to Madagascar.
I agree. It's always the hardest to infect in the pandemic video game.
http://www.kongregate.com/games/darkrealmstudios/pandemic-2
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3533/3875134850_c4dc95299a.jpg)
I started playing again the other day because of this thread and FUCKING MADAGASCAR. :pissed:
Goddammit. I have been playing that damn game since I made that last post.
THANKS ALOT OBAMA CPD! :crankey:
Quote from: Balls Wellington on July 08, 2013, 08:57:39 PM
Goddammit. I have been playing that damn game since I made that last post.
THANKS ALOT OBAMA CPD! :crankey:
Happy to be of service! :D
I KILLED EVERYONE :jihaad:
HOW DID YOU KILL MADAGASCAR?
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on July 09, 2013, 05:14:23 AM
I KILLED EVERYONE :jihaad:
:magick: :hosrie: :dream: :internettoughguy: :drama1: :fap2: :nuke2: :ronpaul: :noodledance: :awesome: :putin: (http://i.minus.com/ibhe1rV5rI4Iao.gif)
YOU WIN THE INTERNETS!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on July 09, 2013, 05:28:35 AM
HOW DID YOU KILL MADAGASCAR?
I DON'T KNOW I DID THE PARASITE AND REMOVED ALL THE SYMPTOMS AND BUMPED UP THE RESISTANCE TO TWO ON EVERYTHING AND WENT WITH WATER AND RODENTS AND I SAT THERE FOREVER WATCHING THE SHIPS GO BY MADAGASCAR AND NOT GO TO PORT AND I WAS YELLING AT THE SCREEN LIKE A CRAZY PERSON AND EVERYWHERE ELSE GOT INFECTED EXCEPT FUCKING MADAGASCAR AND I WAS ALL
DON'T YOU DO IT DON'T YOU CLOSE THAT PORT AND THEY WERE ALL
SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING AND I WAS ALL
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! AND THEN I BOUGHT UP ALL THE SYMPTOMS TO MAKE MORE PEOPLE GET INFECTED SO I CAN WRAP UP THE GAME AND LOSE ANYWAY BECAUSE FUCKING MADAGASCAR AND I GO BACK AND IT'S ALL
DISEASE REACHES MADAGASCAR AND I WAS ALL
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
WHOOOOOOO!
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on July 09, 2013, 05:43:07 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on July 09, 2013, 05:28:35 AM
HOW DID YOU KILL MADAGASCAR?
I DON'T KNOW I DID THE PARASITE AND REMOVED ALL THE SYMPTOMS AND BUMPED UP THE RESISTANCE TO TWO ON EVERYTHING AND WENT WITH WATER AND RODENTS AND I SAT THERE FOREVER WATCHING THE SHIPS GO BY MADAGASCAR AND NOT GO TO PORT AND I WAS YELLING AT THE SCREEN LIKE A CRAZY PERSON AND EVERYWHERE ELSE GOT INFECTED EXCEPT FUCKING MADAGASCAR AND I WAS ALL DON'T YOU DO IT DON'T YOU CLOSE THAT PORT AND THEY WERE ALL SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING AND I WAS ALL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! AND THEN I BOUGHT UP ALL THE SYMPTOMS TO MAKE MORE PEOPLE GET INFECTED SO I CAN WRAP UP THE GAME AND LOSE ANYWAY BECAUSE FUCKING MADAGASCAR AND I GO BACK AND IT'S ALL DISEASE REACHES MADAGASCAR AND I WAS ALL SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
FTR: This is how I imagine you IRL :eek:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on July 09, 2013, 09:06:20 AM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on July 09, 2013, 05:43:07 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on July 09, 2013, 05:28:35 AM
HOW DID YOU KILL MADAGASCAR?
I DON'T KNOW I DID THE PARASITE AND REMOVED ALL THE SYMPTOMS AND BUMPED UP THE RESISTANCE TO TWO ON EVERYTHING AND WENT WITH WATER AND RODENTS AND I SAT THERE FOREVER WATCHING THE SHIPS GO BY MADAGASCAR AND NOT GO TO PORT AND I WAS YELLING AT THE SCREEN LIKE A CRAZY PERSON AND EVERYWHERE ELSE GOT INFECTED EXCEPT FUCKING MADAGASCAR AND I WAS ALL DON'T YOU DO IT DON'T YOU CLOSE THAT PORT AND THEY WERE ALL SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING AND I WAS ALL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! AND THEN I BOUGHT UP ALL THE SYMPTOMS TO MAKE MORE PEOPLE GET INFECTED SO I CAN WRAP UP THE GAME AND LOSE ANYWAY BECAUSE FUCKING MADAGASCAR AND I GO BACK AND IT'S ALL DISEASE REACHES MADAGASCAR AND I WAS ALL SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
FTR: This is how I imagine you IRL :eek:
Yes. Fear her.
Honestly, I think you guys have a better handle of how I am irl than anyone else on the interbutts.
You're supposed to say "Nah, I'm a pussycat IRL", then at least there's an element of doubt where some hope could slip in but no. You've murdered my last remaining optimism vector :cry:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on July 09, 2013, 05:13:43 PM
You're supposed to say "Nah, I'm a pussycat IRL", then at least there's an element of doubt where some hope could slip in but no. You've murdered my last remaining optimism vector :cry:
But isn't the truth so reassuring? :P
I CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PpgE7UNHUz0/Tr5uIObmsbI/AAAAAAAAAx4/GjvuOhtxZsQ/s640/tom+cruise+A+Few+Good+Men+01.jpg)
Quote from: Suu on July 07, 2013, 12:14:32 AM
It's not moving as fast as SARS did. Thankfully, so they make be able to act against it faster. In my readings I'm starting to notice a pattern of these diseases that seem to originate in Asia. You always see these "plagues" that are brought in from the East to the Western World that cause some serious problems. Smallpox (The Antonine Plague) The Plague of Justinian, the Black Death, and the Third Pandemic (Bubonic mutations) are just to name a few. I am in no way a pathologist, so I have no real incite into this other than historical, but I find it fascinating.
Might have to do with the emperors sealing off his people from the rest of the world that made them super fucking deadly.