Dude:
Quotei would be HAPPY to get to know you. interested?
Me:
QuoteAre you in the Alberta Arts/Mississippi neighborhood? I want to clarify that I am not looking for dating or hookups, just expanding my neighborhood social circle.
Dude:
QuoteI live in my 1978 Dodge Xplorer 18.5ft HouseCar (a classic with sunken floor), so I find myself in many areas. Alberta / Mississippi areas are indeed great to visit and street camp.. So YES. As well I fully understand your interest is social network expansion NOT dating nor 'hookups'. I myself am OPEN TO, though not searching for beyond the getting to know and allowing for highest good / integrity etc at any given moment.
Today will be a good test as well for the HC as the drizzle i hope stays OUTSIDE....
So, from here?
Um...
You had me at sunken floor.
What does he think capital letters are for?
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on August 03, 2013, 01:47:43 AM
Dude:
Quotei would be HAPPY to get to know you. interested?
Me:
QuoteAre you in the Alberta Arts/Mississippi neighborhood? I want to clarify that I am not looking for dating or hookups, just expanding my neighborhood social circle.
Dude:
QuoteI live in my 1978 Dodge Xplorer 18.5ft HouseCar (a classic with sunken floor), so I find myself in many areas. Alberta / Mississippi areas are indeed great to visit and street camp.. So YES. As well I fully understand your interest is social network expansion NOT dating nor 'hookups'. I myself am OPEN TO, though not searching for beyond the getting to know and allowing for highest good / integrity etc at any given moment.
Today will be a good test as well for the HC as the drizzle i hope stays OUTSIDE....
So, from here?
at least he's not talking about his cock!
Quote from: Pixie on August 03, 2013, 02:57:38 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on August 03, 2013, 01:47:43 AM
Dude:
Quotei would be HAPPY to get to know you. interested?
Me:
QuoteAre you in the Alberta Arts/Mississippi neighborhood? I want to clarify that I am not looking for dating or hookups, just expanding my neighborhood social circle.
Dude:
QuoteI live in my 1978 Dodge Xplorer 18.5ft HouseCar (a classic with sunken floor), so I find myself in many areas. Alberta / Mississippi areas are indeed great to visit and street camp.. So YES. As well I fully understand your interest is social network expansion NOT dating nor 'hookups'. I myself am OPEN TO, though not searching for beyond the getting to know and allowing for highest good / integrity etc at any given moment.
Today will be a good test as well for the HC as the drizzle i hope stays OUTSIDE....
So, from here?
at least he's not talking about his cock!
Yanno...that's a good point. :|
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on August 03, 2013, 03:03:57 AM
Quote from: Pixie on August 03, 2013, 02:57:38 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on August 03, 2013, 01:47:43 AM
Dude:
Quotei would be HAPPY to get to know you. interested?
Me:
QuoteAre you in the Alberta Arts/Mississippi neighborhood? I want to clarify that I am not looking for dating or hookups, just expanding my neighborhood social circle.
Dude:
QuoteI live in my 1978 Dodge Xplorer 18.5ft HouseCar (a classic with sunken floor), so I find myself in many areas. Alberta / Mississippi areas are indeed great to visit and street camp.. So YES. As well I fully understand your interest is social network expansion NOT dating nor 'hookups'. I myself am OPEN TO, though not searching for beyond the getting to know and allowing for highest good / integrity etc at any given moment.
Today will be a good test as well for the HC as the drizzle i hope stays OUTSIDE....
So, from here?
at least he's not talking about his cock!
Yanno...that's a good point. :|
I think my baseline is too low.
My profile, basically; "I'm looking for people in my neighborhood who might want to go out and chat sometimes".
His profile, basically; "I am a lonely old man who lives in a car".
Sigh.
Housecar?
I honestly didn't know it was a thing. I googled Ford Explorer HouseCar and got this:
(http://cbsmiami.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/carintohouse091712.jpg?w=300)
Quote from: Suu on August 03, 2013, 03:37:34 AM
Housecar?
I honestly didn't know it was a thing. I googled Ford Explorer HouseCar and got this:
(http://cbsmiami.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/carintohouse091712.jpg?w=300)
It is a euphemism for "camper van". He lives in one of these:
(http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7050/6908662584_e83913fabd.jpg)
I'd live in one of those. :)
...If I didn't have a pack of dogs already... :sad:
Eh, like my doggies. :)
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on August 03, 2013, 03:41:53 AM
Quote from: Suu on August 03, 2013, 03:37:34 AM
Housecar?
I honestly didn't know it was a thing. I googled Ford Explorer HouseCar and got this:
(http://cbsmiami.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/carintohouse091712.jpg?w=300)
It is a euphemism for "camper van". He lives in one of these:
(http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7050/6908662584_e83913fabd.jpg)
Oh.
Makes much more sense. Now I feel pretty sad for the fella. That's a hard life.
Which is why it makes perfect sense that he's on OK Cupid looking to date younger women.
Danger, danger, Will Robinson. He'll just eat all your refrigerated goods and clog your shower with his back hair.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 03, 2013, 04:21:23 AM
Danger, danger, Will Robinson. He'll just eat all your refrigerated goods and clog your shower with his back hair.
What did I do now?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 03, 2013, 04:22:27 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 03, 2013, 04:21:23 AM
Danger, danger, Will Robinson. He'll just eat all your refrigerated goods and clog your shower with his back hair.
What did I do now?
You have your own fridge and shower. You don't need Nigel's.
Let this one go without the usual beating, Nigel.
Dok,
Has a sad.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 03, 2013, 04:23:38 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 03, 2013, 04:22:27 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 03, 2013, 04:21:23 AM
Danger, danger, Will Robinson. He'll just eat all your refrigerated goods and clog your shower with his back hair.
What did I do now?
You have your own fridge and shower. You don't need Nigel's.
I just saw something about clogging the shower with back hair, so yanno...
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 03, 2013, 04:24:55 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 03, 2013, 04:23:38 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 03, 2013, 04:22:27 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 03, 2013, 04:21:23 AM
Danger, danger, Will Robinson. He'll just eat all your refrigerated goods and clog your shower with his back hair.
What did I do now?
You have your own fridge and shower. You don't need Nigel's.
I just saw something about clogging the shower with back hair, so yanno...
You know, I always wondered how the carpets got so plush in those shaggin' wagons. Then guys started talking about their back hair.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 03, 2013, 04:24:08 AM
Let this one go without the usual beating, Nigel.
Dok,
Has a sad.
Oh, I was nice about it.
But you might be surprised how many homeless guys hit on me on OKCupid. I'm not heartless about it, but I'm kind of inured to it and not above being sarcastic. About them, not to them. Just because, FFS, they're trying to climb out of the water on the back of a broke-ass single mother.
Also, he's not THAT old. He's 50.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on August 03, 2013, 04:49:08 AM
Just because, FFS, they're trying to climb out of the water on the back of a broke-ass single mother.
Point.
Wound his inner child.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 03, 2013, 04:53:28 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on August 03, 2013, 04:49:08 AM
Just because, FFS, they're trying to climb out of the water on the back of a broke-ass single mother.
Point.
Wound his inner child.
:lol:
OK. This is why I hate OK Cupid:
Here's a chat with a guy I had agreed to go on a date with.
(A bunch of him asking sexually-oriented questions and me steering it away from that direction snipped)
(11:10:59am)DoloresAzure:Weirdly, I've never hiked the Springwater.
(11:11:07am)pdxsyzygy2:I bike it daily
(11:11:10am)pdxsyzygy2:its my commute
(11:11:17am)pdxsyzygy2:are you very oral?
(11:11:54am)DoloresAzure:OK so I am getting the impression that you mostly just want a sex hookup.
(11:12:08am)pdxsyzygy2:lol, yeah I can see how you would feel that way
(11:12:11am)pdxsyzygy2:my apologies.
(11:12:17am)DoloresAzure:Which is great and everything, but I've got sex coming out of my ears
(11:12:20am)pdxsyzygy2:my libido gets away from me sometimes
(11:12:27am)pdxsyzygy2:ah--well good for you.
(11:13:05am)DoloresAzure:The upshot is that this is probably titillating you, but I like to find out more about someone's sexuality after meeting them and figuring out whether I want to have sex with them.
(11:13:06am)pdxsyzygy2:I'm not looking for a buddy. I have plenty of friends
(11:13:23am)pdxsyzygy2:I completely understand.
(11:13:41am)pdxsyzygy2:My ex, however, was frigid and couldnt talk about sex.
(11:13:44am)DoloresAzure:I don't get turned on by online sex chat or phone sex, it bores me.
(11:13:58am)pdxsyzygy2:I dont recall saying I was turned on.
(11:14:03am)pdxsyzygy2:My arent YOU judgmental
(11:14:14am)DoloresAzure:Not being into it isn't the same as judging.
(11:14:21am)pdxsyzygy2:you are judging ME
(11:14:32am)DoloresAzure:I am being up front.
(11:14:44am)pdxsyzygy2:anyhow, sorry for bothering you. You are completely different then you were when we first spoke
(11:14:59am)pdxsyzygy2:you call it being up front, I call it judgmental
(11:15:01am)pdxsyzygy2:have fun!
(11:15:03am)DoloresAzure:I am very sexual, I have a large sexual appetite, but being questioned about it by a guy I've never met and have no idea whether I want to fuck doesn't interest me.
(11:15:40am)pdxsyzygy2:And I said fair enough
(11:15:45am)pdxsyzygy2:I even apologized
(11:15:52am)pdxsyzygy2:is the horse dead yet?
(11:15:52am)DoloresAzure:If MY lack of interest somehow translates to judging YOU, I have no idea what to say to you.
(11:16:51am)DoloresAzure:It's fine for you to be into what you're into. Lots of people, men and women, totally get off on sex chat. That's cool.
(11:17:06am)pdxsyzygy2:I never said I do
(11:17:16am)pdxsyzygy2:I'm not sure why you keep going back to that
(11:17:28am)pdxsyzygy2:keep whipping that horse though--I am not sure its dead yet
(11:17:29am)pdxsyzygy2:lol
(11:17:59am)DoloresAzure:I'm trying to explain that I'm not negatively judging it, just expressing that it's not my thing.
(11:18:27am)pdxsyzygy2:over and over
(11:18:35am)pdxsyzygy2:I got it the first tie
(11:18:37am)pdxsyzygy2:time
(11:18:47am)DoloresAzure:Well, you did get rather defensive and aggressive about it.
(11:18:54am)DoloresAzure:I think this conversation is over.
(11:19:07am)pdxsyzygy2:lol--I think you are pojecting
(11:19:18am)pdxsyzygy2:my only issue is how repetitive you have been about your dislike
(11:19:45am)pdxsyzygy2:and I tried to end this conversation about 15 minutes ago but you wanted to go on and on about how you have sex coming out of your ears
I messaged him that he's a freak who will be forever alone, and blocked him.
Oh man, I haven't logged into OkCupid for months. Thanks for reminding me why, Nigel. That guy seemed real quick to back down and blow snow when called on his douchery. Poor wee lad, not used to real people. Those blow-up dolls just don't talk back as much as real women. It can be hard to take.
I still get stuck at the "homeless guys on OKCupid" bit.
Jesus, I refused to go on OKCupid when I was unemployed or living with my parents, because, even though those were temporary situations, I know how UTTERLY LAME they look.
Remember Wall-O-Text Guy? hxxp://www.okcupid.com/profile/blazerzr2003/personality?cf=profile
I wonder what Housecar's would look like.
Then again, I don't wonder. :lol:
Ugh, that guy. Now he's going to think I'm stalking his profile!
:x :x :x
Link broken.
Remember when anyone mentions "NSA fun" to send them reams of information on your internet history, or suggest you role play "Edward Snowden and the naughty CIA interrogator".
Quote from: Cain on December 15, 2013, 02:03:22 PM
Remember when anyone mentions "NSA fun" to send them reams of information on your internet history, or suggest you role play "Edward Snowden and the naughty CIA interrogator".
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Looks like OKC is going to be losing this one http://www.policeone.com/bizarre/articles/6737528-Police-on-lookout-for-Swiss-cheese-serial-masturbator/
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on January 15, 2014, 07:14:03 AM
Looks like OKC is going to be losing this one http://www.policeone.com/bizarre/articles/6737528-Police-on-lookout-for-Swiss-cheese-serial-masturbator/
QuoteThe man identified by the magazine, along with several of his relatives, could not be reached for comment yesterday,
...Why they will never mention cheese at family functions again...
Wow, that's a new one on me!
Funny but true, its never occurred to me to report any of the guys who sent me unsolicited pictures of their junk to the police.
Well that has all the makings of the identity parade of the future
"So Ma'am, can you identifying the offending penis?"
Quote from: Junkenstein on January 16, 2014, 08:46:48 AM
Well that has all the makings of the identity parade of the future
"So Ma'am, can you identifying the offending penis?"
Already happened. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_misconduct_allegations_against_Bill_Clinton)
They got him (http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/24474830/sex-crime-investigation-swiss-cheese-case-arrest).
Looks a little like ol' Rush.
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QuoteMothers_Warning: Great photos and wonderful profile except that the very first sentence implies that you have some sort of knowledge of other people's complex situations that puts you in a position to judge them. Why is that such a strong instinct for you - judging people you don't know and who's circumstances you have no way of comprehending?
I'm just curious. I know that New England is notoriously small-minded and puritanical to it's core but that streak seems to be exceptionally strong among the openly polyamorous. I don't understand why people who find happiness in polyamory find it necessary to judge others in order to be happy.
Seems like there is a Beatles lyric in there somewhere.
Me: I had several men message me with the expectation that I would engage in a romantic relationship with them without their wives' knowledge or permission. That's cheating, and I refuse to be party to it. I have plenty of poly and open friends.
Mothers_Warning: Expectation of anything is wrong and I'm sorry you have recieved those unwanted advances. I would never do that.
I'm also sorry for reacting so strongly but your opening statement is a slap in the face to anyone who has been in a sexless marriage for years (as have I) but refuse to leave our spouses and are doing everything we can to keep our families together without succumbing to the inevitable physiological slide that happens when one has become celibate but is sleeping next to a woman he loves or a man she adores. I have male and female friends in that situation and you haven't walked in their shoes.
I have all sorts of people writing me wanting all kinds of things that I don't want any part of. I don't insult the way they live their lives.
I think Dossie Easton has done polyamory much harm with her judgmental nonsense and I hear that in your dismissive statement.
Sorry for calling you out. I actually am a nice person who is trying to do the best thing for everyone involved and your opening line ripped me.
- Sean
Me: You think that creating an alternative solution to sexless relationships wherein people are openly communicating is harmful?
Mothers_Warning: No. Quite the opposite. Polyamory is the most evolved and wonderful option and, were I getting married again I wouldn't consider a closed marriage.
I just don't think that the fact that someone has had the courage, and good fortune (in the form of an open-minded spouse) to develop a polyamorous relationship is a reason to disparage those who have not.
I think it's great that you have found happiness and I wish you the very best. I just wish your wonderful profile didn't open with an attack on people like me who cannot (for reasons that I could explain but won't) arrive at an arrangement that is as wonderful as yours.
"I won't date someone who's spouse doesn't know" is perfectly legit and is kind. "I AM NOT HERE TO HELP YOU CHEAT ON YOUR WIFE" is unnecessarily harsh, insulting and implies that you understand something about other people's marriages which you absolutely do not. Nobody does.
Me: Are you cheating on your wife?
Mothers_Warning: I don't believe that cheating is a verb that should ever be applied to marriage. Your marriage, mine or anyone else's for that matter.
I already told you that I'm not going into reasons for making the choices I have made since I'm not here to defend anything to you. You just seemed like a nice person who was parroting something really stupid and hurtful. If they are your own actual thoughts and you want to stand by them I'll leave you alone. I'm not here to police the internet - it's just that I've said stupid things in the past and been glad when people suggested that I re-think them.
Me: Ah, so this is a truth hurts moment. Gotcha.
Mothers_Warning: Not at all. This is a "why do people feel the need to be dicks?" moment.
Done trying to make you better. Complete waste of bytes.
Me: Good luck cuckolding the missus!
Mothers_Warning: Again. You might or might not have two synapses to rub together but the value of the signals they might generate is questionable.
WHAT A PEACH!
Ugh.
I can conceive of scenarios in which this dude is not wrong. Very rare and very extreme. But it's that extreme part that would make the line "I'm not here to help you cheat on your wife" burn a hole through what would already be a pretty imperiled heart.
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 23, 2014, 03:35:59 AM
Ugh.
I can conceive of scenarios in which this dude is not wrong. Very rare and very extreme. But it's that extreme part that would make the line "I'm not here to help you cheat on your wife" burn a hole through what would already be a pretty imperiled heart.
I would really love to hear a version of reality where people are wrong for calling cheating cheating.
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 23, 2014, 03:35:59 AM
Ugh.
I can conceive of scenarios in which this dude is not wrong. Very rare and very extreme. But it's that extreme part that would make the line "I'm not here to help you cheat on your wife" burn a hole through what would already be a pretty imperiled heart.
I usually have a pretty vivid imagination, but it's failing me in this case.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 05:11:51 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 23, 2014, 03:35:59 AM
Ugh.
I can conceive of scenarios in which this dude is not wrong. Very rare and very extreme. But it's that extreme part that would make the line "I'm not here to help you cheat on your wife" burn a hole through what would already be a pretty imperiled heart.
I would really love to hear a version of reality where people are wrong for calling cheating cheating.
Spend enough time on Tumblr and i guarantee you'll find one.
oh also, i had an honest question for the thread. I have had this profile on OKC for years now, with minimal success (few real dates, and even fewer message responses) I haven't really updated it in a while and i was wondering if i should just tweak the stuff thats changed in the meantime(for instance, I've now got my BA and am no longer a student) or start over from scratch. I've got a rough draft for a new profile, but first i'd like to know what you guys think. here it is:
https://www.okcupid.com/profile/Chelagoras
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 05:11:51 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 23, 2014, 03:35:59 AM
Ugh.
I can conceive of scenarios in which this dude is not wrong. Very rare and very extreme. But it's that extreme part that would make the line "I'm not here to help you cheat on your wife" burn a hole through what would already be a pretty imperiled heart.
I would really love to hear a version of reality where people are wrong for calling cheating cheating.
Yeah, I can't. And I play pretty fast and loose, if you know what I mean.
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 23, 2014, 07:50:02 AM
oh also, i had an honest question for the thread. I have had this profile on OKC for years now, with minimal success (few real dates, and even fewer message responses) I haven't really updated it in a while and i was wondering if i should just tweak the stuff thats changed in the meantime(for instance, I've now got my BA and am no longer a student) or start over from scratch. I've got a rough draft for a new profile, but first i'd like to know what you guys think. here it is:
https://www.okcupid.com/profile/Chelagoras
Quick thoughts:
Remove the part where you say you're in the process of revising. Everyone is, all the time, and it makes your reader wonder what important things you haven't included, such as a marriage.
Change your age parameters to include as many years up as you do down. This might just be me, but when I was in your age bracket, when I saw a guy a couple years older than me who is willing to date like six years below his age but only two years over, I dismissed him as a shallow fuck who would probably find me too old anyway.
Get rid of "I know, everyone's a psych major, but I'm serious about mine" unless you are specifically seeking to alienate other psych majors.
Get rid of "look us up!" because condescending.
That said, nice pics. I really like your pics.
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 23, 2014, 07:50:02 AM
oh also, i had an honest question for the thread. I have had this profile on OKC for years now, with minimal success (few real dates, and even fewer message responses) I haven't really updated it in a while and i was wondering if i should just tweak the stuff thats changed in the meantime(for instance, I've now got my BA and am no longer a student) or start over from scratch. I've got a rough draft for a new profile, but first i'd like to know what you guys think. here it is:
https://www.okcupid.com/profile/Chelagoras
In addition to everything Nigel said, get rid of the income, add a couple more things on "you should message me if," switch out your profile pic for one with better lighting and focus, and answer another couple hundred questions. Oh, and your media section needs some newer entries, too.
I don't know if this is universal, but every time I see "kissing" "cuddling" or similar smarmy shit in the good at section I barf a little in my mouth. This may be a personal problem.
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 23, 2014, 07:42:31 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 05:11:51 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 23, 2014, 03:35:59 AM
Ugh.
I can conceive of scenarios in which this dude is not wrong. Very rare and very extreme. But it's that extreme part that would make the line "I'm not here to help you cheat on your wife" burn a hole through what would already be a pretty imperiled heart.
I would really love to hear a version of reality where people are wrong for calling cheating cheating.
Spend enough time on Tumblr and i guarantee you'll find one.
Or the most popular advice column in the country for 30 seconds:
Dan Savage:
Quote"If one person is completely done with sex and the other person is not done with sex, what do you advise people to do in that circumstance? Divorce? Traumatize their children?" he said. "I look at that and I say 'You know, do what you need to do to stay married and stay sane. And maybe that involves cheating, but as the lesser of two evils. Divorce is an evil, cheating is an evil, there are circumstances in which cheating is the lesser evil."
When pressed on it, he's painstaking about going into the extremely rare circumstances where he feels that
could be the case...ie spouse is somehow sick. Like bad sick. You're still in love. The relationship is otherwise healthy. There is a lot more relying on the marriage than just the two people in it.
In that situation is it best to end the marriage? Is it best to discuss the possibility of opening the marriage with an already sick and insecure partner? Is it best to just suck it up for...maybe years...and be celibate in solidarity with your partner (even at the expense of fighting resentment that threatens to turn you into a raving asshole)? Or is it best to have an affair?
I don't know. I'm not in that situation. And I'd readily accuse anyone else who wasn't in that situation and said that they do, of talking out their ass.
Or say the sick partner has told the other to have an affair and
never let them know about it. Is that even cheating at that point? I don't know. I'm not there. Same, same others and the talking out their ass.
One thing that's not hard for me to imagine about all this, though, is how shitty the whole situation would feel. None of the options are good options. Every option comes with the weight of external and internal judgement? And reading "I won't date someone who's spouse doesn't know...I'm not here to help you cheat," would be a big fat punch in the gut. You said it yourself, "truth hurts." I can readily conjure a million and one scenarios where I'd happily punch some fucker (or myself) in the gut with words like that. But I can also conjure scenarios like the one above where I think it would be extremely dickish to do so.
I hate to say this, but Dan Savage is wrong.
Not because I believe in 100% monogamy or absolutes or that there are no gray areas, but because 1. the scenarios he describes are fucking ridiculous (you expect me to believe that the marriage is healthy even though one person is totally done with sex and yet not ok with talking about the other person seeking it elsewhere? Yeah right) and 2. an outside observer deciding when cheating is OK is ridiculous bullshit. Only the people IN the marriage can decide that, and if one person is unaware then there is something non-consensual going on.
Lastly, it doesn't even matter, because speaking of consent, if anyone is uncomfortable with sleeping with a married person, there's no reason they should ever feel pressured to because "it's OK". I don't care if this guy is in one of those exceedingly rare situations where his wife simply doesn't want sex ever again (and it's not that she has young children and she's harried and he no longer bothers to take her out or woo her) and yet somehow the marriage is perfect and healthy and they're both miraculously happy and great communicators in every way, except absolutely not in the sex department. Nobody has to want to get involved with that. And frankly it sounds like a hot mess of self-deception and eventual drama.
And if his wife has terminal cancer and he's madly in love with her and is just desperate to nut off in a real live human, you know what? NOBODY IN THEIR FUCKING RIGHT MIND WOULD WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN A MESS LIKE THAT. Fuck that.
For that matter, anyone, absolutely anyone, is also completely within their rights to not be interested in sleeping with someone who's married even if it IS a 100% consensual and informed open marriage. Even poly people. Before I met my old man on the side, I was dead set against being anyone's "second".
Partly because of having dated several men in "poly" relationships who turned out to actually be in the process of divorces brought on by their adventures in open-marriage land, ie. their wives found someone they liked better. Dating people who are in the midst of marital turmoil sucks ass. But that's an aside.
Lastly, if it's cheating (ie. spouse is uninformed) there is still nothing wrong with calling it what it is.
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 23, 2014, 04:43:34 PM
For that matter, anyone, absolutely anyone, is also completely within their rights to not be interested in sleeping with someone who's married even if it IS a 100% consensual and informed open marriage. Even poly people. Before I met my old man on the side, I was dead set against being anyone's "second".
Partly because of having dated several men in "poly" relationships who turned out to actually be in the process of divorces brought on by their adventures in open-marriage land, ie. their wives found someone they liked better. Dating people who are in the midst of marital turmoil sucks ass. But that's an aside.
Oh, I wouldn't touch the situation with a ten foot pole. But "I'm not interested in dating someone who's spouse doesn't know," is a fully adequate statement of that. Throwing in "I'm not here to help you cheat," doesn't accomplish anything but saying "and this is how I judge that behavior."
I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I'm just saying that it is judgmental, assumes something that may or may not be true, and there's a possibility that it's being read by somebody who it's unduly dickish towards.
If I threw up a profile that said, "I'm not interested in being a part of a poly/open situation. I'm not here to accommodate deviance." I would imagine I'd get a message or two like the one this dude sent.
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 23, 2014, 04:22:00 PM
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 23, 2014, 07:42:31 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 05:11:51 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 23, 2014, 03:35:59 AM
Ugh.
I can conceive of scenarios in which this dude is not wrong. Very rare and very extreme. But it's that extreme part that would make the line "I'm not here to help you cheat on your wife" burn a hole through what would already be a pretty imperiled heart.
I would really love to hear a version of reality where people are wrong for calling cheating cheating.
Spend enough time on Tumblr and i guarantee you'll find one.
Or the most popular advice column in the country for 30 seconds:
Dan Savage:
Quote"If one person is completely done with sex and the other person is not done with sex, what do you advise people to do in that circumstance? Divorce? Traumatize their children?" he said. "I look at that and I say 'You know, do what you need to do to stay married and stay sane. And maybe that involves cheating, but as the lesser of two evils. Divorce is an evil, cheating is an evil, there are circumstances in which cheating is the lesser evil."
When pressed on it, he's painstaking about going into the extremely rare circumstances where he feels that could be the case...ie spouse is somehow sick. Like bad sick. You're still in love. The relationship is otherwise healthy. There is a lot more relying on the marriage than just the two people in it.
In that situation is it best to end the marriage? Is it best to discuss the possibility of opening the marriage with an already sick and insecure partner? Is it best to just suck it up for...maybe years...and be celibate in solidarity with your partner (even at the expense of fighting resentment that threatens to turn you into a raving asshole)? Or is it best to have an affair?
I don't know. I'm not in that situation. And I'd readily accuse anyone else who wasn't in that situation and said that they do, of talking out their ass.
Or say the sick partner has told the other to have an affair and never let them know about it. Is that even cheating at that point? I don't know. I'm not there. Same, same others and the talking out their ass.
One thing that's not hard for me to imagine about all this, though, is how shitty the whole situation would feel. None of the options are good options. Every option comes with the weight of external and internal judgement? And reading "I won't date someone who's spouse doesn't know...I'm not here to help you cheat," would be a big fat punch in the gut. You said it yourself, "truth hurts." I can readily conjure a million and one scenarios where I'd happily punch some fucker (or myself) in the gut with words like that. But I can also conjure scenarios like the one above where I think it would be extremely dickish to do so.
Okay, first off, Dan Savage is not saying it's not cheating, he's just saying in that one crazy hypothetical scenario that cheating would still be okay. It's still a spade, I'm still well within my rights to call it a spade.
Second, the thing our friend up there is bitching about is the first sentence of the profile, which reads "
I AM NOT HERE TO HELP YOU CHEAT ON YOUR WIFE." Because I got five of those in a week and they were all weasely bastards that tried to a) avoid mentioning the cheating cheaters thing and b) accuse me of being a bad person for not being willing to participate in their unethical extracuriculars. And yes, cheating on your spouse is unethical. It may be the most ethical option out of several unethical ones, but that does not change the fact that it is wrong. The extra sentence there is his suggestion for an alternative, because I should be respectful of his fee-fees.
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 23, 2014, 05:00:33 PM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 23, 2014, 04:43:34 PM
For that matter, anyone, absolutely anyone, is also completely within their rights to not be interested in sleeping with someone who's married even if it IS a 100% consensual and informed open marriage. Even poly people. Before I met my old man on the side, I was dead set against being anyone's "second".
Partly because of having dated several men in "poly" relationships who turned out to actually be in the process of divorces brought on by their adventures in open-marriage land, ie. their wives found someone they liked better. Dating people who are in the midst of marital turmoil sucks ass. But that's an aside.
Oh, I wouldn't touch the situation with a ten foot pole. But "I'm not interested in dating someone who's spouse doesn't know," is a fully adequate statement of that. Throwing in "I'm not here to help you cheat," doesn't accomplish anything but saying "and this is how I judge that behavior."
I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I'm just saying that it is judgmental, assumes something that may or may not be true, and there's a possibility that it's being read by somebody who it's unduly dickish towards.
If I threw up a profile that said, "I'm not interested in being a part of a poly/open situation. I'm not here to accommodate deviance." I would imagine I'd get a message or two like the one this dude sent.
Oh, fuck that. "I'm not here to help you cheat" is direct and to the point. The cheater knows he's cheating, and anyone who isn't cheating knows it's not directed at them. Judgmental? Sure. It's meant to send a loud and clear message to THAT PERSON, WHO IS IN FACT CHEATING ON THEIR SPOUSE, that she's not fucking interested. Who gives a fuck if it gives them a pang of guilt because their conscience isn't clear?
It doesn't say "I'm not interested in helping you cheat, you lying scumsack". Should she use a friendly euphemism for cheating? It is what it is.
Are you saying that merely CALLING it cheating, when it is in fact cheating, is somehow harsh? I think the argument could be made for A. No fucks given, and B. If someone is on OK Cupid and looking to cheat, if they are so fragile that seeing it called "cheating" is going to injure their ego, they need to get the fuck off OK Cupid because they are in no way up for the emotional rigors of dating anyone. Period.
Basically, fuck that guy, he can go fuck himself. If he doesn't have the emotional fortitude and intellectual honesty to simply SEE the word for what he's doing on the profile of someone who isn't even interested, he can't handle doing it.
It's like asking a tax accountant to understate your income and getting all butthurt when the accountant says "I'm not willing to help you cheat on your taxes".
"BUT YOU'RE BEING SO JUDGMENTAL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CALL IT CHEATING, PLUS I HAVE TOTALLY VALID REASONS TO TRY TO FUDGE MY INCOME, YOU'RE BEING UNNECESSARILY HARSH"
Ummmm...
I remember talking to one guy who had permission to fuck around but the arrangement with the missus was that they not tell each other anything about it, and while I did decline I did not hateshit all over the guy for it. Because even though that's a weird kind of permission that looks like an enormous DANGER WILL ROBINSON to me, he does have permission and therefore is not a cheating cheater.
Basically, I don't think that LG should feel bad because some random jerk feels guilty about cheating on his wife.
I don't, in fact, give a fuck what his excuses are, and I don't see why she should either. You know what the reasonable thing to do is, when you encounter the profile of someone who is not interested in you or your circumstances? Click away, look for someone else.
I would put money on the table that this guy isn't butthurt because she called cheating cheating. My bet is that he's butthurt because she's hot and she made it clear in her profile that she won't fuck him. I can't tell you how many messages I've gotten from guys who are mad that I won't even "give them a chance".
It's entitlement, pure and simple. Asshole farm up there is mad because he wants to cheat without anyone calling it cheating, but even more so, he's mad because she's closed the door on something he thinks he deserves, which is access to that fine ass.
I think the thing that pisses me off the most about the "respect the cheater's feelings" argument is that because the cheater's spouse doesn't know, the cheater has essentially forced them into a non-consensual relationship. It's not rape, but the cheater has taken away their spouse's ability to choose whether that's the relationship they want to be in. And regardless of what the cheater says (and hell, if they're lying to their spouse, why expect them to be honest with total strangers?), totally "sexless marriages" are INCREDIBLY rare, so the odds are that the spouse is also having at least occasional unprotected sex with someone who they believe to be monogamous, but is not. That's an incredible violation of trust.
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 23, 2014, 06:05:25 PM
Basically, I don't think that LG should feel bad because some random jerk feels guilty about cheating on his wife.
I don't, in fact, give a fuck what his excuses are, and I don't see why she should either. You know what the reasonable thing to do is, when you encounter the profile of someone who is not interested in you or your circumstances? Click away, look for someone else.
I would put money on the table that this guy isn't butthurt because she called cheating cheating. My bet is that he's butthurt because she's hot and she made it clear in her profile that she won't fuck him. I can't tell you how many messages I've gotten from guys who are mad that I won't even "give them a chance".
It's entitlement, pure and simple. Asshole farm up there is mad because he wants to cheat without anyone calling it cheating, but even more so, he's mad because she's closed the door on something he thinks he deserves, which is access to that fine ass.
In addition to the entitlement angle, I think the last little bit about "trying to make you better" is especially telling. You see, I am a woman who does not want to sleep with him, and therefore I must be
wrong and
broken and need a middle-aged know-it-all white male atheist to fix me.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that I did not look this guy up or message him first. His profile is really fantastic, though. He heavily implies he has talked this over with the wife, when it's clear from our discussion that no he has not.
:lol: Actually, come to think of it, I think a legal argument for rape could be made, on the same premise that it is legally rape if you significantly falsely represent yourself in order to convince someone to have sex with you.
I'm surprised there isn't legal precedent for that, especially since bringing home a disease is definitely something that happens fairly frequently. I even knew someone who died from AIDS due to her cheating partner bringing it home. I know that in Oregon, at least, knowingly spreading an STD is illegal (partly due to Shawn's death, actually), but I wonder what the precedent, if there is one, is regarding having unprotected sex under the pretense of monogamy.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 06:15:31 PM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 23, 2014, 06:05:25 PM
Basically, I don't think that LG should feel bad because some random jerk feels guilty about cheating on his wife.
I don't, in fact, give a fuck what his excuses are, and I don't see why she should either. You know what the reasonable thing to do is, when you encounter the profile of someone who is not interested in you or your circumstances? Click away, look for someone else.
I would put money on the table that this guy isn't butthurt because she called cheating cheating. My bet is that he's butthurt because she's hot and she made it clear in her profile that she won't fuck him. I can't tell you how many messages I've gotten from guys who are mad that I won't even "give them a chance".
It's entitlement, pure and simple. Asshole farm up there is mad because he wants to cheat without anyone calling it cheating, but even more so, he's mad because she's closed the door on something he thinks he deserves, which is access to that fine ass.
In addition to the entitlement angle, I think the last little bit about "trying to make you better" is especially telling. You see, I am a woman who does not want to sleep with him, and therefore I must be wrong and broken and need a middle-aged know-it-all white male atheist to fix me.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that I did not look this guy up or message him first. His profile is really fantastic, though. He heavily implies he has talked this over with the wife, when it's clear from our discussion that no he has not.
Yeah, he needs to
improve you, and by "improve" he means convince you that you should have sex with him.
I'm really not even as anti-cheating as I probably sound. Shit happens, feelings happen, sex happens. People are messy and imperfect. Sometimes situations spin out of control, and you didn't go into it meaning to but the next thing you know it's six months later and you're having an affair.
On the other hand, going online and seeking out sex when your spouse doesn't know isn't just a messy life happening, it's about as premeditated as you can get. Demanding that people who aren't OK with that situation change their profiles to make it sound like they're more OK with it than they are is, IMO, a great big manipulative entitled asshole red flag.
QuoteI know that New England is notoriously small-minded and puritanical to it's core but that streak seems to be exceptionally strong among the openly polyamorous.
Sounds like code for "I'm mad that none of the poly girls will fuck me because they have this whole narrow-minded 'honesty' hangup".
I don't care what this guy's situation is, he's a douchebag for trying to lay it on you and guilt-trip you.
I have to confess that I am super anti-cheating. I'm not gonna advocate for scarlet lettering anyone but the most obnoxious, entitled assholes over it, though.
My aunt got divorced in her late 50s because she found out her husband was cheating on her. I'm sure Chuck would have said a lot of the same things this asshole did, how it's a "sexless marriage" and he's "just trying to hold it together" but that doesn't change dick. He went out of his way to find a new dickcozy knowing that if and when the wife found out, she would divorce him. And she did. That's not saving the marriage, that's forcing the other party to do the difficult thing and say "I want out." I know firsthand that being the asshole who says "I want out" hurts and is terrible, but putting it off on the other person to say is just awful.
I don't care what promises people make to each other as a part of their marriage, I really don't. I've seen poly groups explode and monogamous couples split, happy long-term open relationships and successful decades-long monogamous marriages. If you are the kind of asshole who will make a promise within that kind of a relationship and break it without discussion or remorse, I don't want to date you. I don't care if it's hiding money or fucking the maid, either. That shit's toxic and I have a responsibility to protect myself and my family from drama.
My philosophy on that is that if a dude is lying to his wife about something as significant as where he's putting his dick, and using their circumstances as an excuse for seeking sex with other women instead of seeking marriage counseling, there's no reason I should believe ANYTHING he says to me. He has no investment in me, he's made no promises.
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 23, 2014, 07:02:25 PM
My philosophy on that is that if a dude is lying to his wife about something as significant as where he's putting his dick, and using their circumstances as an excuse for seeking sex with other women instead of seeking marriage counseling, there's no reason I should believe ANYTHING he says to me. He has no investment in me, he's made no promises.
Like a promise to you would even matter, look what they're doing to one where promises
were made sort of thing?
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 23, 2014, 07:42:31 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 05:11:51 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 23, 2014, 03:35:59 AM
Ugh.
I can conceive of scenarios in which this dude is not wrong. Very rare and very extreme. But it's that extreme part that would make the line "I'm not here to help you cheat on your wife" burn a hole through what would already be a pretty imperiled heart.
I would really love to hear a version of reality where people are wrong for calling cheating cheating.
Spend enough time on Tumblr and i guarantee you'll find one.
Damn it beat me to it!
Quote from: Choppas an' Sluggas on November 23, 2014, 07:20:31 PM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 23, 2014, 07:02:25 PM
My philosophy on that is that if a dude is lying to his wife about something as significant as where he's putting his dick, and using their circumstances as an excuse for seeking sex with other women instead of seeking marriage counseling, there's no reason I should believe ANYTHING he says to me. He has no investment in me, he's made no promises.
Like a promise to you would even matter, look what they're doing to one where promises were made sort of thing?
Yeah, that was kind of my point. If he's willing to deceive someone who he HAS made promises to, I have literally zero basis for expecting honesty.
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 23, 2014, 07:55:11 PM
Quote from: Choppas an' Sluggas on November 23, 2014, 07:20:31 PM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 23, 2014, 07:02:25 PM
My philosophy on that is that if a dude is lying to his wife about something as significant as where he's putting his dick, and using their circumstances as an excuse for seeking sex with other women instead of seeking marriage counseling, there's no reason I should believe ANYTHING he says to me. He has no investment in me, he's made no promises.
Like a promise to you would even matter, look what they're doing to one where promises were made sort of thing?
Yeah, that was kind of my point. If he's willing to deceive someone who he HAS made promises to, I have literally zero basis for expecting honesty.
:oops: I reiterated to see if I understood the point.
That said, I can see reasons someone might want to sleep with a guy who's cheating on his wife. They're all pretty selfish reasons, though, and most of them apply equally well to dating someone who is in a legit open marriage.
Quote from: Choppas an' Sluggas on November 23, 2014, 07:57:16 PM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 23, 2014, 07:55:11 PM
Quote from: Choppas an' Sluggas on November 23, 2014, 07:20:31 PM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 23, 2014, 07:02:25 PM
My philosophy on that is that if a dude is lying to his wife about something as significant as where he's putting his dick, and using their circumstances as an excuse for seeking sex with other women instead of seeking marriage counseling, there's no reason I should believe ANYTHING he says to me. He has no investment in me, he's made no promises.
Like a promise to you would even matter, look what they're doing to one where promises were made sort of thing?
Yeah, that was kind of my point. If he's willing to deceive someone who he HAS made promises to, I have literally zero basis for expecting honesty.
:oops: I reiterated to see if I understood the point.
Oh, yes, then. Exactly.
had a pretty great OKC date tonight. Great girl, fun and super nerdy. we had dinner then went for drinks at this bar nearby that does karaoke( i sang three of my most ridiculous songs, she was too shy) We had super great conversation and everything just felt easy and comfortable. I can't wait to see her again. :D
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 23, 2014, 07:50:02 AM
oh also, i had an honest question for the thread. I have had this profile on OKC for years now, with minimal success (few real dates, and even fewer message responses) I haven't really updated it in a while and i was wondering if i should just tweak the stuff thats changed in the meantime(for instance, I've now got my BA and am no longer a student) or start over from scratch. I've got a rough draft for a new profile, but first i'd like to know what you guys think. here it is:
https://www.okcupid.com/profile/Chelagoras
In addition to everything Nigel said, get rid of the income, add a couple more things on "you should message me if," switch out your profile pic for one with better lighting and focus, and answer another couple hundred questions. Oh, and your media section needs some newer entries, too.
I don't know if this is universal, but every time I see "kissing" "cuddling" or similar smarmy shit in the good at section I barf a little in my mouth. This may be a personal problem.
would the luchador pics be too much? they have a much better lighting and focus and are pretty epic in their own right. On the other hand I could see how someone could write me off as a whacko for posting them. On the strange vestigial third hand however, i am a proud and unabashed whacko, and thus I feel I should be honest about what i'm bringing to the table here. :lulz:
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 24, 2014, 05:32:48 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 23, 2014, 07:50:02 AM
oh also, i had an honest question for the thread. I have had this profile on OKC for years now, with minimal success (few real dates, and even fewer message responses) I haven't really updated it in a while and i was wondering if i should just tweak the stuff thats changed in the meantime(for instance, I've now got my BA and am no longer a student) or start over from scratch. I've got a rough draft for a new profile, but first i'd like to know what you guys think. here it is:
https://www.okcupid.com/profile/Chelagoras
In addition to everything Nigel said, get rid of the income, add a couple more things on "you should message me if," switch out your profile pic for one with better lighting and focus, and answer another couple hundred questions. Oh, and your media section needs some newer entries, too.
I don't know if this is universal, but every time I see "kissing" "cuddling" or similar smarmy shit in the good at section I barf a little in my mouth. This may be a personal problem.
would the luchador pics be too much? they have a much better lighting and focus and are pretty epic in their own right. On the other hand I could see how someone could write me off as a whacko for posting them. On the strange vestigial third hand however, i am a proud and unabashed whacko, and thus I feel I should be honest about what i'm bringing to the table here. :lulz:
Showing your own personal brand of whacko is a good thing, filters out those that are turned off by it and attracts those more in the same wavelenght... saves time for everyone involved... on the other hand, if you are NOT looking for something meaningful, you should go as generic and positive have funish presentation as possible... so it depends on your objective.
Note: psychos should avoid this advice and rather focus on fix their personal flaws instead of exalting them :horrormirth:
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 24, 2014, 05:16:50 AM
had a pretty great OKC date tonight. Great girl, fun and super nerdy. we had dinner then went for drinks at this bar nearby that does karaoke( i sang three of my most ridiculous songs, she was too shy) We had super great conversation and everything just felt easy and comfortable. I can't wait to see her again. :D
*brofist*
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 24, 2014, 05:32:48 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 23, 2014, 07:50:02 AM
oh also, i had an honest question for the thread. I have had this profile on OKC for years now, with minimal success (few real dates, and even fewer message responses) I haven't really updated it in a while and i was wondering if i should just tweak the stuff thats changed in the meantime(for instance, I've now got my BA and am no longer a student) or start over from scratch. I've got a rough draft for a new profile, but first i'd like to know what you guys think. here it is:
https://www.okcupid.com/profile/Chelagoras
In addition to everything Nigel said, get rid of the income, add a couple more things on "you should message me if," switch out your profile pic for one with better lighting and focus, and answer another couple hundred questions. Oh, and your media section needs some newer entries, too.
I don't know if this is universal, but every time I see "kissing" "cuddling" or similar smarmy shit in the good at section I barf a little in my mouth. This may be a personal problem.
would the luchador pics be too much? they have a much better lighting and focus and are pretty epic in their own right. On the other hand I could see how someone could write me off as a whacko for posting them. On the strange vestigial third hand however, i am a proud and unabashed whacko, and thus I feel I should be honest about what i'm bringing to the table here. :lulz:
If you haven't already read the OKTrends post on the best type of profile pics, I strongly recommend it. Basically, you want sharp focus on your face, very little else going on in the picture, and to put your weird right out front. Luchador is a little weird, not because it's a weird thing in general but because it's covering your face, so I don't know how that would play out for you.
Judging has gotten a bad rap. Maybe because of that "judge not, lest ye be judged" jive, but guess what? That's in the bible, and therefor does not apply to me.
I will unashamedly judge. You can choose to ignore my judgements if you like, but that won't stop me from making them.
Also, and I realize I'm not letting out a secret here, but if a guy needs to advertise that's he's nice, he's not.
Quote from: Hoopla on November 24, 2014, 02:39:40 PM
Judging has gotten a bad rap. Maybe because of that "judge not, lest ye be judged" jive, but guess what? That's in the bible, and therefor does not apply to me.
I will unashamedly judge. You can choose to ignore my judgements if you like, but that won't stop me from making them.
Also, and I realize I'm not letting out a secret here, but if a guy needs to advertise that's he's nice, he's not.
Amen, brother.
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 24, 2014, 05:16:50 AM
had a pretty great OKC date tonight. Great girl, fun and super nerdy. we had dinner then went for drinks at this bar nearby that does karaoke( i sang three of my most ridiculous songs, she was too shy) We had super great conversation and everything just felt easy and comfortable. I can't wait to see her again. :D
Yay!
Strangely enough, I was considering starting up a new OKCupid profile the other day.
Not until my essays are over (so, Christmas), but maybe after that...
Quote from: Cain on November 24, 2014, 03:54:04 PM
Strangely enough, I was considering starting up a new OKCupid profile the other day.
Not until my essays are over (so, Christmas), but maybe after that...
THE LOVE DOCTOR IS
IN.
Quote from: Metal Bear on November 24, 2014, 01:28:12 PM
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 24, 2014, 05:16:50 AM
had a pretty great OKC date tonight. Great girl, fun and super nerdy. we had dinner then went for drinks at this bar nearby that does karaoke( i sang three of my most ridiculous songs, she was too shy) We had super great conversation and everything just felt easy and comfortable. I can't wait to see her again. :D
*brofisthoof*
Fix'd that for ya.
(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/216/b/1/brohoof_me__fluttershy_edition_by_sundownglisten-d59urzx.png)
Quote from: Hello Waffles on November 24, 2014, 04:16:24 PM
Quote from: Metal Bear on November 24, 2014, 01:28:12 PM
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 24, 2014, 05:16:50 AM
had a pretty great OKC date tonight. Great girl, fun and super nerdy. we had dinner then went for drinks at this bar nearby that does karaoke( i sang three of my most ridiculous songs, she was too shy) We had super great conversation and everything just felt easy and comfortable. I can't wait to see her again. :D
*brofisthoof*
Fix'd that for ya.
(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/216/b/1/brohoof_me__fluttershy_edition_by_sundownglisten-d59urzx.png)
They got waffles. :cry:
:lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 24, 2014, 04:28:34 PM
Quote from: Hello Waffles on November 24, 2014, 04:16:24 PM
Quote from: Metal Bear on November 24, 2014, 01:28:12 PM
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 24, 2014, 05:16:50 AM
had a pretty great OKC date tonight. Great girl, fun and super nerdy. we had dinner then went for drinks at this bar nearby that does karaoke( i sang three of my most ridiculous songs, she was too shy) We had super great conversation and everything just felt easy and comfortable. I can't wait to see her again. :D
*brofisthoof*
Fix'd that for ya.
(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/216/b/1/brohoof_me__fluttershy_edition_by_sundownglisten-d59urzx.png)
They got waffles. :cry:
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2qjyo0h.jpg)
I'm so alone.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
It's still a spade, I'm still well within my rights to call it a spade.
Which is, as I read it, what he was doing as well. He's not wrong, doesn't necessarily imply that you are. It's a half-assed sewer that only one person at a time can shit into.
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 24, 2014, 09:36:05 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
It's still a spade, I'm still well within my rights to call it a spade.
Which is, as I read it, what he was doing as well. He's not wrong, doesn't necessarily imply that you are. It's a half-assed sewer that only one person at a time can shit into.
He is wrong, and I can pinpoint the exact moment he went wrong.
What's happening in his relationship is between himself and his wife.
Where he became incontrovertibly wrong, though, is when he took it upon himself to contact a woman who HAS MADE IT CLEAR SHE IS NOT INTERESTED, and tried to shame her into changing her profile to make it more palatable to him.
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 24, 2014, 09:36:05 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
It's still a spade, I'm still well within my rights to call it a spade.
Which is, as I read it, what he was doing as well. He's not wrong, doesn't necessarily imply that you are. It's a half-assed sewer that only one person at a time can shit into.
But he said he doesn't think cheating is a word that should be applied to marriages :?
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 25, 2014, 12:16:09 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 24, 2014, 09:36:05 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
It's still a spade, I'm still well within my rights to call it a spade.
Which is, as I read it, what he was doing as well. He's not wrong, doesn't necessarily imply that you are. It's a half-assed sewer that only one person at a time can shit into.
He is wrong, and I can pinpoint the exact moment he went wrong.
What's happening in his relationship is between himself and his wife.
Where he became incontrovertibly wrong, though, is when he took it upon himself to contact a woman who HAS MADE IT CLEAR SHE IS NOT INTERESTED, and tried to shame her into changing her profile to make it more palatable to him.
Since when is it wrong to troll somebody, when you think they're being an asshole?
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 25, 2014, 04:01:49 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 24, 2014, 09:36:05 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
It's still a spade, I'm still well within my rights to call it a spade.
Which is, as I read it, what he was doing as well. He's not wrong, doesn't necessarily imply that you are. It's a half-assed sewer that only one person at a time can shit into.
But he said he doesn't think cheating is a word that should be applied to marriages :?
THAT...was bullshit. Yes.
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 25, 2014, 04:04:30 AM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 25, 2014, 12:16:09 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 24, 2014, 09:36:05 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
It's still a spade, I'm still well within my rights to call it a spade.
Which is, as I read it, what he was doing as well. He's not wrong, doesn't necessarily imply that you are. It's a half-assed sewer that only one person at a time can shit into.
He is wrong, and I can pinpoint the exact moment he went wrong.
What's happening in his relationship is between himself and his wife.
Where he became incontrovertibly wrong, though, is when he took it upon himself to contact a woman who HAS MADE IT CLEAR SHE IS NOT INTERESTED, and tried to shame her into changing her profile to make it more palatable to him.
Since when is it wrong to troll somebody, when you think they're being an asshole?
Huh... I guess that entitled assholes dumping on women because they don't like not having an invitation to ass is a bit lower than what I usually think of as "trolling".
I guess by that definition, every opinionated mouthbreather and entitled corporate prick in America is "trolling". I might have to give it up, I'd rather be in better company.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 25, 2014, 06:07:13 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 25, 2014, 04:04:30 AM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 25, 2014, 12:16:09 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 24, 2014, 09:36:05 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
It's still a spade, I'm still well within my rights to call it a spade.
Which is, as I read it, what he was doing as well. He's not wrong, doesn't necessarily imply that you are. It's a half-assed sewer that only one person at a time can shit into.
He is wrong, and I can pinpoint the exact moment he went wrong.
What's happening in his relationship is between himself and his wife.
Where he became incontrovertibly wrong, though, is when he took it upon himself to contact a woman who HAS MADE IT CLEAR SHE IS NOT INTERESTED, and tried to shame her into changing her profile to make it more palatable to him.
Since when is it wrong to troll somebody, when you think they're being an asshole?
Huh... I guess that entitled assholes dumping on women because they don't like not having an invitation to ass is a bit lower than what I usually think of as "trolling".
He was pointing out the level of assumption that that first line seemed to be drenched in. "Entitled asshole dumping on a woman because he doesn't have an invitation to ass" is even more drenched in assumption.
On OKC whenever I read some variation of "Be literate. That means no 'OMG' or 'LOL'," I'm likely as not going to call that out...nothing to do with ass availability, though I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest that people assumed otherwise.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 24, 2014, 04:10:17 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 24, 2014, 03:54:04 PM
Strangely enough, I was considering starting up a new OKCupid profile the other day.
Not until my essays are over (so, Christmas), but maybe after that...
THE LOVE DOCTOR IS IN.
Go ahead and set me up.
I may as well start now - no doubt I'll have down time between writing pages.
Quote from: Cain on November 25, 2014, 08:32:17 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 24, 2014, 04:10:17 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 24, 2014, 03:54:04 PM
Strangely enough, I was considering starting up a new OKCupid profile the other day.
Not until my essays are over (so, Christmas), but maybe after that...
THE LOVE DOCTOR IS IN.
Go ahead and set me up.
I may as well start now - no doubt I'll have down time between writing pages.
Can you shoot me the blank template? I'm at work and today's flags apparently include OKC. Or I can just get it tonight.
Sure. Give me a few minutes, as I need to setup a new profile (ie come up with a decent username and find an unused email account).
OK, here it is:
My Self-Summary
What I'm Doing With My Life
I'm Really Good At...
Favourite stuff
The Six Things I Could Never Do Without
I Spend A Lot of Time Thinking About...
On a typical Friday night I am...
You Should Message Me If...
Quote from: Cain on November 25, 2014, 01:33:06 PM
OK, here it is:
My Self-Summary
What I'm Doing With My Life
I'm Really Good At...
Favourite stuff
The Six Things I Could Never Do Without
I Spend A Lot of Time Thinking About...
On a typical Friday night I am...
You Should Message Me If...
Oki doke. Gimme until the end of the day. Unexpectedly busy here.
Sure, not a problem. Whenever you have the time.
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 25, 2014, 06:53:28 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 25, 2014, 06:07:13 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 25, 2014, 04:04:30 AM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 25, 2014, 12:16:09 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 24, 2014, 09:36:05 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
It's still a spade, I'm still well within my rights to call it a spade.
Which is, as I read it, what he was doing as well. He's not wrong, doesn't necessarily imply that you are. It's a half-assed sewer that only one person at a time can shit into.
He is wrong, and I can pinpoint the exact moment he went wrong.
What's happening in his relationship is between himself and his wife.
Where he became incontrovertibly wrong, though, is when he took it upon himself to contact a woman who HAS MADE IT CLEAR SHE IS NOT INTERESTED, and tried to shame her into changing her profile to make it more palatable to him.
Since when is it wrong to troll somebody, when you think they're being an asshole?
Huh... I guess that entitled assholes dumping on women because they don't like not having an invitation to ass is a bit lower than what I usually think of as "trolling".
He was pointing out the level of assumption that that first line seemed to be drenched in. "Entitled asshole dumping on a woman because he doesn't have an invitation to ass" is even more drenched in assumption.
On OKC whenever I read some variation of "Be literate. That means no 'OMG' or 'LOL'," I'm likely as not going to call that out...nothing to do with ass availability, though I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest that people assumed otherwise.
Dude, messaging someone on a dating site because you
don't like their profile is a creeper move. Don't.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 25, 2014, 02:37:45 PM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 25, 2014, 06:53:28 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 25, 2014, 06:07:13 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 25, 2014, 04:04:30 AM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 25, 2014, 12:16:09 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 24, 2014, 09:36:05 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 23, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
It's still a spade, I'm still well within my rights to call it a spade.
Which is, as I read it, what he was doing as well. He's not wrong, doesn't necessarily imply that you are. It's a half-assed sewer that only one person at a time can shit into.
He is wrong, and I can pinpoint the exact moment he went wrong.
What's happening in his relationship is between himself and his wife.
Where he became incontrovertibly wrong, though, is when he took it upon himself to contact a woman who HAS MADE IT CLEAR SHE IS NOT INTERESTED, and tried to shame her into changing her profile to make it more palatable to him.
Since when is it wrong to troll somebody, when you think they're being an asshole?
Huh... I guess that entitled assholes dumping on women because they don't like not having an invitation to ass is a bit lower than what I usually think of as "trolling".
He was pointing out the level of assumption that that first line seemed to be drenched in. "Entitled asshole dumping on a woman because he doesn't have an invitation to ass" is even more drenched in assumption.
On OKC whenever I read some variation of "Be literate. That means no 'OMG' or 'LOL'," I'm likely as not going to call that out...nothing to do with ass availability, though I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest that people assumed otherwise.
Dude, messaging someone on a dating site because you don't like their profile is a creeper move. Don't.
I love all profiles and I want them to love me. :whack:
Here is the thing. People get to decide what they find acceptable or unacceptable around their genitals. YOU don't get to decide. THEY get to decide.
That means that if they can't stand LOL or OMG, or if they can't tolerate poor dental hygiene, or they hate beards with a raging passion, or if they judge people who leave the house wearing sweatpants, or people who voted for Obama, or people who can't use punctuation correctly, or dyslexics, they don't have to be nice about it on their profiles. If that's the thing that's a dealbreaker for them when it comes to who gets to touch their junk, that's for THEM to decide. Don't like it? Move on. Don't fucking harass people because you don't like the way they communicate their standards for who they'd like to fuck.
Seriously, I can't believe I even have to say this.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 25, 2014, 02:48:13 PM
Here is the thing. People get to decide what they find acceptable or unacceptable around their genitals. YOU don't get to decide. THEY get to decide.
That means that if they can't stand LOL or OMG, or if they can't tolerate poor dental hygiene, or they hate beards with a raging passion, or if they judge people who leave the house wearing sweatpants, or people who voted for Obama, or people who can't use punctuation correctly, or dyslexics, they don't have to be nice about it on their profiles. If that's the thing that's a dealbreaker for them when it comes to who gets to touch their junk, that's for THEM to decide. Don't like it? Move on. Don't fucking harass people because you don't like the way they communicate their standards for who they'd like to fuck.
Seriously, I can't believe I even have to say this.
If this was directed at my response, I agree. I just want to share the inside of my head with total strangers.
If it was directed at NoLeDeMiel, then I'll just back on up for a moment.
When I receive messages from random strangers who are critical of something in my profile, I absolutely assume that they are trying to neg me. Because why the fuck else would someone who obviously DOESN'T LIKE WHAT I'VE WRITTEN and therefore is someone I'm unlikely to want to date message me? Just to try to make me feel bad about my romantic preferences? Fuck that, that's some self-absorbed entitled bullshit right there.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 25, 2014, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 25, 2014, 02:48:13 PM
Here is the thing. People get to decide what they find acceptable or unacceptable around their genitals. YOU don't get to decide. THEY get to decide.
That means that if they can't stand LOL or OMG, or if they can't tolerate poor dental hygiene, or they hate beards with a raging passion, or if they judge people who leave the house wearing sweatpants, or people who voted for Obama, or people who can't use punctuation correctly, or dyslexics, they don't have to be nice about it on their profiles. If that's the thing that's a dealbreaker for them when it comes to who gets to touch their junk, that's for THEM to decide. Don't like it? Move on. Don't fucking harass people because you don't like the way they communicate their standards for who they'd like to fuck.
Seriously, I can't believe I even have to say this.
If this was directed at my response, I agree. I just want to share the inside of my head with total strangers.
If it was directed at NoLeDeMiel, then I'll just back on up for a moment.
It was directed at NLDM.
I don't think that there's really much, if any, justification, given how much general harassment women receive on a regular basis, for guys to message women on dating sites to "call them out". That is some straight up douchery. I would say that the same is true in reverse but frankly I've never heard of women going around on dating sites calling men out for profiles they don't find appealing.
My fucking god, what fucking entitlement. All wrapped up with a bow on it.
"I don't like your profile, it's uppity. You should change it to be more appealing to me".
Probably in the case of men.
Not sure about women though - I had quite a few message me about my "racism" towards Scots. I can't remember what I said, except it was clearly lighthearted and inoffensive, probably something to do with their cooking. These were not Scottish women, I should point out. Or other entirely minor issue, like a preference for a certain author or mild criticism of a tv show.
I think a lot of people on OKCupid are just socially inept, raging assholes with no respect for others.
"I don't find you attractive. Make yourself more attractive to me".
"You're blonde. I prefer brunettes. Dye your hair".
"Your profile says you don't have Daddy issues. I'm going to need you to pretend that you do".
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 25, 2014, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 25, 2014, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 25, 2014, 02:48:13 PM
Here is the thing. People get to decide what they find acceptable or unacceptable around their genitals. YOU don't get to decide. THEY get to decide.
That means that if they can't stand LOL or OMG, or if they can't tolerate poor dental hygiene, or they hate beards with a raging passion, or if they judge people who leave the house wearing sweatpants, or people who voted for Obama, or people who can't use punctuation correctly, or dyslexics, they don't have to be nice about it on their profiles. If that's the thing that's a dealbreaker for them when it comes to who gets to touch their junk, that's for THEM to decide. Don't like it? Move on. Don't fucking harass people because you don't like the way they communicate their standards for who they'd like to fuck.
Seriously, I can't believe I even have to say this.
If this was directed at my response, I agree. I just want to share the inside of my head with total strangers.
If it was directed at NoLeDeMiel, then I'll just back on up for a moment.
It was directed at NLDM.
I don't think that there's really much, if any, justification, given how much general harassment women receive on a regular basis, for guys to message women on dating sites to "call them out". That is some straight up douchery. I would say that the same is true in reverse but frankly I've never heard of women going around on dating sites calling men out for profiles they don't find appealing.
In my experience, OKC, etc, consists of the following men:
Bitter misogynistic basement cases who want to tell women WHAT: 70%
Trolls: 25%
Guys looking for someone compatible: 5%
And the women seem to be:
Tired ladies aged 30-50 who refuse to face the bar scene anymore and have no time for anything else: 70%
Trolls: 25%
Site Queens: 5%
YMMV, there was no actual science behind this. Just a general impression.
Quote from: Cain on November 25, 2014, 02:57:12 PM
Probably in the case of men.
Not sure about women though - I had quite a few message me about my "racism" towards Scots. I can't remember what I said, except it was clearly lighthearted and inoffensive, probably something to do with their cooking. These were not Scottish women, I should point out. Or other entirely minor issue, like a preference for a certain author or mild criticism of a tv show.
I think a lot of people on OKCupid are just socially inept, raging assholes with no respect for others.
You may well be on to something there.
I think it's time for the triumphant return of Susan.
(I have refined this specific troll to a fine art, when it comes to punking MRAs/basement cases.)
Susan!
I missed her.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 25, 2014, 03:05:20 PM
Susan!
I missed her.
I have a new slant on Susan. Out of focus hottie pic, get some MRA on the line, talk all kindsa nasty. When he's slobbering and wants a clearer or less dressed pic:
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10603480_784720444912947_4530323015221148774_n.jpg?oh=9a1ce6b26723c01d70fa758efb335ea9&oe=5509803B)
Tons of bonus points if you can get the same guy a few times in a row.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 25, 2014, 02:59:14 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 25, 2014, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 25, 2014, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 25, 2014, 02:48:13 PM
Here is the thing. People get to decide what they find acceptable or unacceptable around their genitals. YOU don't get to decide. THEY get to decide.
That means that if they can't stand LOL or OMG, or if they can't tolerate poor dental hygiene, or they hate beards with a raging passion, or if they judge people who leave the house wearing sweatpants, or people who voted for Obama, or people who can't use punctuation correctly, or dyslexics, they don't have to be nice about it on their profiles. If that's the thing that's a dealbreaker for them when it comes to who gets to touch their junk, that's for THEM to decide. Don't like it? Move on. Don't fucking harass people because you don't like the way they communicate their standards for who they'd like to fuck.
Seriously, I can't believe I even have to say this.
If this was directed at my response, I agree. I just want to share the inside of my head with total strangers.
If it was directed at NoLeDeMiel, then I'll just back on up for a moment.
It was directed at NLDM.
I don't think that there's really much, if any, justification, given how much general harassment women receive on a regular basis, for guys to message women on dating sites to "call them out". That is some straight up douchery. I would say that the same is true in reverse but frankly I've never heard of women going around on dating sites calling men out for profiles they don't find appealing.
In my experience, OKC, etc, consists of the following men:
Bitter misogynistic basement cases who want to tell women WHAT: 70%
Trolls: 25%
Guys looking for someone compatible: 5%
And the women seem to be:
Tired ladies aged 30-50 who refuse to face the bar scene anymore and have no time for anything else: 70%
Trolls: 25%
Site Queens: 5%
YMMV, there was no actual science behind this. Just a general impression.
That seems about right to me, which is exactly why I no longer use it for dating. Just creeping friend's dates (which invariably end up going badly) and occasionally fucking with some jackass who messaged me to Tell Me What.
As an aside:
PMing people to tell them they're a jerk: NOT TROLLING.
Getting people to PM you to tell you you're a jerk: TROLLING.
Precisely.
Trolling is an art and skill. Any idiot can name-call over the internet. It takes a master to make others name call, though.
(I really wish the media understood this distinction)
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 25, 2014, 02:51:23 PM
When I receive messages from random strangers who are critical of something in my profile, I absolutely assume that they are trying to neg me. Because why the fuck else would someone who obviously DOESN'T LIKE WHAT I'VE WRITTEN and therefore is someone I'm unlikely to want to date message me? Just to try to make me feel bad about my romantic preferences? Fuck that, that's some self-absorbed entitled bullshit right there.
Because it's a dating site second and the internet first?
I can see how someone in a sexless marriage or relationship might feel trapped by said relationship. having said that, theres still the basic consideration for you partner as a person. If your relationship with your significant other is so wretched that you cant even be bothered to put in the work to try and make it better, no amount of on the sly nookie will help you. That's a band-aid solution on a gangrenous wound. Acknowledge your feelings, break it off with your spouse/significant other, you'll probably be happier in the long run. As for this specific case, i feel the guy stops being sympathetic the minute he makes his shitty love life YOUR problem.
Word.
Quote from: Cain on November 25, 2014, 03:33:05 PM
Precisely.
Trolling is an art and skill. Any idiot can name-call over the internet. It takes a master to make others name call, though.
(I really wish the media understood this distinction)
MEEE TOOO
Internet bullying, name-calling, intimidation, or generally being opinionated or a jerk is not "trolling" by any stretch of the imagination.
I wish they wouldn't defile our art so. :cry:
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 25, 2014, 03:35:03 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 25, 2014, 02:51:23 PM
When I receive messages from random strangers who are critical of something in my profile, I absolutely assume that they are trying to neg me. Because why the fuck else would someone who obviously DOESN'T LIKE WHAT I'VE WRITTEN and therefore is someone I'm unlikely to want to date message me? Just to try to make me feel bad about my romantic preferences? Fuck that, that's some self-absorbed entitled bullshit right there.
Because it's a dating site second and the internet first?
Oh, well that certainly makes it 100% ok. I should probably go apologize to those guys on TDS.
Seriously dude, if you are really sending messages on dating sites to women calling them out on the elements of their profile you don't care for, you should really critically re-evaluate that behavior in light of predominant social attitudes about women, and review whether it's really compatible with your principles.
Here's another site where you might find people to send nasty PMs to:
http://www.cancerforums.net/forums/15-Leukemia-Forum
It is the internet first, after all.
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on November 25, 2014, 06:26:35 PM
I can see how someone in a sexless marriage or relationship might feel trapped by said relationship. having said that, theres still the basic consideration for you partner as a person. If your relationship with your significant other is so wretched that you cant even be bothered to put in the work to try and make it better, no amount of on the sly nookie will help you. That's a band-aid solution on a gangrenous wound. Acknowledge your feelings, break it off with your spouse/significant other, you'll probably be happier in the long run. As for this specific case, i feel the guy stops being sympathetic the minute he makes his shitty love life YOUR problem.
Yeah, at that point my response is basically "tell it to your therapist". Taking out your anger about frustrating and/or painful relationship problems on random girls on OK Cupid because you don't like the way they worded their profiles is kiiiinda seriously dysfunctional.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2014, 02:47:28 AM
Seriously dude, if you are really sending messages on dating sites to women calling them out on the elements of their profile you don't care for, you should really critically re-evaluate that behavior in light of predominant social attitudes about women, and review whether it's really compatible with your principles.
And I have, instantly upon reading how you would perceive that in that form.
I think this dude's message...or at least my argument about this dude's message is doing the same thing. It seems to me that the amount of sting that QG's statement is likely to cause is inversely proportional to the amount of sting I'd personally like to cause for a given scenario. That is for a full-on "I'm bored, and too lazy, passive, and morally self-centered to address the situation like an adult, so I think I'll try to find a poly-chick to bone on the sly," is going to read that and feel a butt-hurt in the 1.5 to 2 range, where a "I've been frustrated, sad, confused, terrified, hopeless, helpless, caring for a mentally ill partner without relief, or physical contact. Have agonized over this state for years. Just had this moment where I tried to masturbate, only to become physically sick, breaking down into tears, and shamefully wishing their sickness would just...take them," is going to feel that comment nearer a 10.
I keep thinking about the reason why I backed off calling things retarded. The people I'd feel the worst for offending are the people that I'd be likely to offend the worst.
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on November 26, 2014, 03:19:42 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2014, 02:47:28 AM
Seriously dude, if you are really sending messages on dating sites to women calling them out on the elements of their profile you don't care for, you should really critically re-evaluate that behavior in light of predominant social attitudes about women, and review whether it's really compatible with your principles.
And I have, instantly upon reading how you would perceive that in that form.
I think this dude's message...or at least my argument about this dude's message is doing the same thing. It seems to me that the amount of sting that QG's statement is likely to cause is inversely proportional to the amount of sting I'd personally like to cause for a given scenario. That is for a full-on "I'm bored, and too lazy, passive, and morally self-centered to address the situation like an adult, so I think I'll try to find a poly-chick to bone on the sly," is going to read that and feel a butt-hurt in the 1.5 to 2 range, where a "I've been frustrated, sad, confused, terrified, hopeless, helpless, caring for a mentally ill partner without relief, or physical contact. Have agonized over this state for years. Just had this moment where I tried to masturbate, only to become physically sick, breaking down into tears, and shamefully wishing their sickness would just...take them," is going to feel that comment nearer a 10.
I keep thinking about the reason why I backed off calling things retarded. The people I'd feel the worst for offending are the people that I'd be likely to offend the worst.
Thing about the latter scenario? A person in that situation needs to tell it to their therapist. That person is not in any kind of situation where they should be seeking to inflict their situation on a single lady or gentleman who is looking for a date, and if they decide they are THAT selfish, they need to be able to brave the reality of occasionally seeing words like "I'm not into cheaters". Especially given the high proportion of straight-up crapweasels on dating sites.
Everyone else on the site is not responsible for them, any more than I am responsible for my schizophrenic former friend who is convinced that any time someone mentions goats it's part of a huge elaborate plot against him.
Being kind, in general? I am in favor of compassion. Gently rewording issues you feel strongly about in your profile on a dating site on the off chance an emotional basket case happens to see it and it cuts them to the core?
That's, honestly, just not a very reasonable request.
Or it is something that one simply hasn't done because they weren't aware of the potential impact. They put it out there because they were justifiably sick to fucking death of being approached by shallow philanderers, but upon thinking about who all it could be impacting and how, they decided it wasn't compatible with their principles.
Also, I have a nasty tendency to appoint myself as the person who makes sure people get to deal with things I think they need to be able to deal with. Trying real hard to stop doing that, so that part of your argument kind of lands in that place. Are they going to deal with certain shit? Probably. Would I rather be a reason that is so, or a hedge against it? Different question.
So on dating sites, then, are we supposed to try to present a true picture of who we are so that others have a chance of gauging whether they would like to spend time with us, or are we supposed to gloss and edit to the point where it might as well be a date arranged by Omegle?
Attn, NLDM:
You need to stop talking now.
Take a break, have a coffee or a beer, and then slowly read this thread again, as if you were seeing it for the first time.
Hopefully, you will realize (just as many of us have) that you are acting like a complete tool.
Although, if you want to keep digging, we can help:
(http://amphimaster.com/images/Index/20120103_180028_.jpg)
Happens to everyone here, eventually.
I have faith that NLDM is he-man enough to, yanno, stop.
This is why it all began with "Ugh".
It's a train I had to ride...but I knew it probably couldn't clear that turn.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8583/15698793809_e2975f29d8_o.jpg)
Hung out with that woman i was seeing a few pages back. We've hung out a number of times now, and it's settled inot a pretty comfortable friendship. She's very easy to talk to and its nice to have a fellow big person in my life who i can eat and drink and discuss nerdy things with without feeling judged for it. Not exactly the romantic relationship i was seeking, but good times. :D
correct attitude, you has it.
Quote from: EL MAESTRO! on January 02, 2015, 05:53:06 PM
Hung out with that woman i was seeing a few pages back. We've hung out a number of times now, and it's settled inot a pretty comfortable friendship. She's very easy to talk to and its nice to have a fellow big person in my life who i can eat and drink and discuss nerdy things with without feeling judged for it. Not exactly the romantic relationship i was seeking, but good times. :D
:motorcycle:
Arguing with some poor shmuck about AI and he is woefully out of his depth. Will post logs if there's interest, but it's long as hell and his half is just kinda sad.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on January 06, 2015, 09:22:22 PM
Arguing with some poor shmuck about AI and he is woefully out of his depth. Will post logs if there's interest, but it's long as hell and his half is just kinda sad.
I'm interested.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on January 06, 2015, 09:22:22 PM
Arguing with some poor shmuck about AI and he is woefully out of his depth. Will post logs if there's interest, but it's long as hell and his half is just kinda sad.
It's always kind of funny when a guy has his ego so tangled up with his balls that he continues arguing long past the point at which it's become embarrassing, just to avoid conceding.
I also think it's a weird and confusing impulse that some guys have, to try to impress women by showing off how much they know about crap. Man, I love a smart guy, but if the way he's trying to demonstrate his smarts is by trying to talk down to me or make me feel dumb, he's off to a bad start.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 06, 2015, 10:08:45 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on January 06, 2015, 09:22:22 PM
Arguing with some poor shmuck about AI and he is woefully out of his depth. Will post logs if there's interest, but it's long as hell and his half is just kinda sad.
It's always kind of funny when a guy has his ego so tangled up with his balls that he continues arguing long past the point at which it's become embarrassing, just to avoid conceding.
I also think it's a weird and confusing impulse that some guys have, to try to impress women by showing off how much they know about crap. Man, I love a smart guy, but if the way he's trying to demonstrate his smarts is by trying to talk down to me or make me feel dumb, he's off to a bad start.
To be fair, I know some women like this too. Not as many, but they exist too.
Oh fuck... did I just do a variation of "not all men"?
#NOTALLDATINGSITES
Quote from: Hoopla on January 06, 2015, 10:18:32 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 06, 2015, 10:08:45 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on January 06, 2015, 09:22:22 PM
Arguing with some poor shmuck about AI and he is woefully out of his depth. Will post logs if there's interest, but it's long as hell and his half is just kinda sad.
It's always kind of funny when a guy has his ego so tangled up with his balls that he continues arguing long past the point at which it's become embarrassing, just to avoid conceding.
I also think it's a weird and confusing impulse that some guys have, to try to impress women by showing off how much they know about crap. Man, I love a smart guy, but if the way he's trying to demonstrate his smarts is by trying to talk down to me or make me feel dumb, he's off to a bad start.
To be fair, I know some women like this too. Not as many, but they exist too.
It's not a contest.
QuoteIdiot: Please talk my ears off about scifi, science, tech and pretty much anything that you seem versed in. Do you like the twilight zone? There's lots of different concepts about reality and psychology.
And I don't have a wife so you don't have to give me that run down again. Feel like you do a lot
Me: I sure do love unsolicited messages from men telling me that I'm wrong for announcing that I am not cool with being a participant in unethical non-monogamy! Especially the guy who argued for an hour that it's mean to use the word cheating to describe his behavior!
Anyway, I'm super into robots right now between the kids picking up Portal as a hobby and the awesome AI from Interstellar over the summer. Do you have any thoughts on strong AI, robot uprisings and the like?
Idiot: That's all you got to talk my ear off? Kind of weak..
Even though will smith movies are kind of cheesy. irobot does have a solid concept to it. The idea of having AI progress to a point of self awareness then having it actual care about our survival is clever.... I personally think like all life, if an AI system became sentient it would turn on us in a sort of "self preservation."
Me: While Stephen Hawking and Elon Musk both agree with you, I'm completely on the other side of the fence. There isn't any intelligent creature of any stripe that doesn't show the capability of some form of empathy and cooperation. While I'm right up there with the other folks in pointing out that bottle nosed dolphins can be dicks (and there was a small gang of bottle nosed child [dolphin] rapists and murderers cruising the pacific for a while), they are also capable of choosing to work with people. In captivity, dolphins name their trainers and develop emotional bonds with them. Russian street dogs have developed their own packs and have relationships with humans that are very different from those of pet dogs. They do not attack humans (outside of startling them to steal their food), doing so would be incredibly stupid. Elephants will certainly trample villiages looking for booze, but it's usually asshole elephants and there are others that develop long lasting and meaningful bonds with humans.
Over and over again, when we deal with any non-human intelligence, we find that cooperation and a vague sense of warm regard if not outright friendliness is the most efficient way of getting things done. Some individuals will be assholes, but they can be excluded from productive relationships after their true colors are shown. If you're into game theory at all, that's been proven to be the most productive strategy: cooperate until you've been betrayed, and then never work with that particular fucker again.
I think we're overly pessimistic because our current systems of government and business keep putting sociopaths in positions of power. Since we can't seem to stop blowing each other up over resources and generally be assholes at each other, we come to the conclusion that all intelligences are also assholes. This is demonstrably false even if you're just looking at humans: most people are generally pretty amiable with occasional episodes of dickishness and a slight tendency towards self preservation and the preservation of close allies over others. We work best in groups from 12 to about 50, and in gatherings of more than 200-300 we start to be more prone to dickery because our little primate brains have trouble thinking of ALL THOSE PEOPLE as being people too. We can still forge relationships outside of our circles. We can forge partnerships with people who don't look like us. We can even negotiate trade agreements with animals!
Any intelligence strong enough to pose a threat to humanity would have to be nearly as smart as we are, and that includes empathy and the urge to cooperate. It's my firm belief that strong AI would be even better than humans are at forging relationships outside of their own kind.
There is the potential for things to go horribly wrong, of course. Humans could fail to recognize the dignity of artificial intelligences and abuse them to the point that violent resistance is the only viable option. If you've seen the Animatrix they outline one such scenario, but I don't believe that's the most likely outcome either. We don't have very smart robots yet, but humans are already displaying the same sort of empathy towards them we do towards animals. Soldiers name bomb diffusing robots, feel sad when they are destroyed, and even hold funerals. A test of a land mine diffusing (read:exploding) robot was aborted partway through as the army colonel declared it "inhumane."
No, the most likely course of action in my eyes is that we are mostly good to them, with a few exceptions, and they are mostly good to us, with a few exceptions.
Idiot: I think you have a view of a perfect world. Those values can't be applied now to what we have. War, abuse and violence is a staple of society. Thinking that we bring a new form of "life" into the world and we'll use and treat it right is naive. The difference all people have will have us using the AI against each other. Any form of AI that is controllable I believe will be used as war machines.
If you want to talk about a truly sentient system where it thinks acts and makes decisions on its own, I'm far more fearful of that. Just like through the timeline of human evolution. Each time a new species came, the less evolved kind was immediately killed off and extinct. A newly developed "species" if you want to call the AI, would definitely see our way of life and tendencies to be violent. It would find that as a threat and want it dealt.
I have a more bleak view of humanity. I think taking the mass of us. We're going to be bad and do the wrong things. On an individual scale, of course we can forge relationships with others. The reason we can be friendly with dogs, cats and other animals is because of the intelligence barrier. An AI system that can see and learn what we're really like. Just like if you saw someone and heard they killed someone. Your view will be skewed and not be so kind
Me: I'm basing my view on the real world. Do you want me to cite sources, or is being pessimistic how you convince yourself you're smart?
Idiot: If you wanna be rude and argue then fine... Give me 1 source of something good then I'll give you 10 of something bad
Idiot: And pointing fingers and being rude is how weak people act
Idiot: I guess your right though. Siri isn't plotting to kill us, dragon dictation doesn't have any ideas on world domination so, yes your right
Me: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/05/AR2007050501009.html
http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/reddit-military-robot-empathy/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/earthnews/3323070/Killer-dolphins-baffle-marine-experts.html
http://www.globalelephants.org/effects-humans-captive-elephants/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_dogs_in_Moscow
http://www.iiasa.ac.at/publication/more_XJ-10-174.php
http://news.discovery.com/animals/elephants-added-to-list-of-animals-that-show-empathy-140218.htm
I also recommend reading Future of the Mind by Michio Kaku
Idiot: Ok. Straighten out exactly what level your talking about.... A robot with a person, a computer AI on a laptop, or a fully aware AI system and the whole world... We might be on different subjects
Idiot: Are you talking small scale?
Idiot: I was talking large scale like irobot
Me: You seem really stuck on I, Robot. Did you read the book or are you just pulling from the movie?
Idiot: That exactly fits my type of view on what would happen... Since something like that hasn't happened yet in real life that's the only reference I have to show you.... If you were talking more about having feelings for an Automaton or robot. I was off base then
Me: You didn't answer the question.
Me: Oh, I missed this link in that other post: http://dronecenter.bard.edu/interview-professor-robot-love/
Idiot: Half the book and the movie
Idiot: What's your point of having love for a robot?
Me: So your position is that the first strong AI we develop will be used for the military, and therefore hate humans and wreck everything?
Idiot: A self aware system... Full able to think on its own and make its own choices, yes... What kind of situation would it be able to freely move on its own? What life form likes being kept under control and told what to do?
Idiot: It's gonna be strictly controlled and regulated to make sure it's not a threat. What being likes to be locked up?
Me: You can't freely move on your own.
You need paperwork to leave the country, a license to operate a car or boat, your phone collects and reports data about your location to dozens of entities with and without your knowledge, your emails are read and your internet traffic monitored. Are you planning on overthrowing humanity?
Idiot: I can get up get in a car and not have to tell anyone or have someone know. People still go missing
Me: So you're okay with the level of restrictions placed on your travel?
Idiot: Are we not in a war with people lobbing bombs and commit terrier acts?
Me: And the level of monitoring and regulations you're subject to?
Idiot: Your talking as if life's perfect and I'm saying the robot would go nuts
Idiot: What do you think will happen??
Idiot: Correct me
Me: Your only basis for that conjecture is that you think people are horrible and war is terrible and never ending. I suspect you are also the kind of person who talks about the crime rate like it's on the rise, and that terrorism is a real and serious threat to your physical safety.
Is that correct?
Idiot: Nope. I'm not bothered by any of that... This is the most intense Congo I've had around that subject
Idiot: Convo
Idiot: I go into bad neighborhoods and don't blink an eye
Me: Okay, so do you believe that people are, on balance, just slightly better than morally neutral and unlikely to antagonize strangers without provocation?
Me: Also are you reading any of the links I'm sending you? If not it's cool I just want to get us on the same page for this conversation.
Idiot: I'm at work so I read a couple headings and an intro to kne
Idiot: In individual circumstances I believe someone would be more good then bad
Me: If you believe in general that more interactions will be positive or at least neutral than negative, you need to provide some very compelling evidence why it would be different on a global scale.
Humans suffer from tribalism due to our genetic heritage, something that AI may not suffer from at all, or may only to a lesser extent. This enables large scale violence over resource acquisition. Without the "my tribe over all others" and with the inevitable ethics and obligation to follow established laws of warfare, robots would be unlikely to wage wars against humanity that are any worse than the ones we inflict on one another. And it's very likely that if we are able to build AIs that fight, they will fight one another too.
If you are talking singularity level intelligence, it is still unlikely to look at humanity and go "that's a problem, let's wipe them out." It would be much easier to just pick up and leave for another planet, or the asteroid belt, or to seed the galaxy with nanobabies.
Idiot: What does every thing that has a function Brain strive for? I believe that it's freedom. No one really wants to have someone sitting over them and give them orders
Idiot: What kind of life do you picture it living?
Idiot: Taking orders?
Idiot: I'm not saying if your nice to it that it wouldn't be nice back
Idiot: If a robot is going to be built its going to be built for a purpose.
Idiot: Throughout human history of slavery, war and persecution of those who don't conform, you think a new life form will be treated fairly and just?
Me: I think robots would be very good at conforming. I think they would be very good at using existing systems to advocate for their own rights, and I believe that most people will be open to the idea of a non living intelligence having some kinds of rights. I don't think they will always be treated fairly and I don't think they will be completely free, but neither are humans now and most of them aren't plotting to overthrow the entire species.
Idiot: Because there part of the species... Everywhere in the world there trying to overthrow their governments and leaders
Me: So the robots would try to overthrow a class of humanity?
Idiot: It may be a loose comparison but a invading species comes to America we try to kill it. Bedbugs, different types of invasive plant life
Me: That's a terrible comparison. Bedbugs and kudzu aren't intelligent in the least.
Idiot: I'm blanking on the correct word.... It's the concept of having something foreign to you come and us killing it
Idiot: And why does intelligence matter
Idiot: People beat their pets and kids and shoot eachother
Me: Because people have more empathy for dogs than mosquitoes.
Me: People do not hurt strangers except in cases of extreme mental illness or duress. People hurt individuals close to them as emotional outbursts or while under extreme duress. It is not the default state to be murdering your friends.
Me: And again on the subject of why intelligence matters, here's two cases of governments declaring intelligent animals to be non human persons with certain rights that the state is obligated to protect:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/30/1226634/-India-Declares-Dolphins-Non-Human-Persons-Dolphin-shows-BANNED
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/21/orangutan-argentina-zoo-recognised-court-non-human-person
Idiot: And I'll show you a million pharmaceutical companies doing animal testing. A couple saved animals doesn't amount to the millions of murdered ones
Me: A million? Please do.
Idiot: You show one instance of something good and apply that to everyone.... Is your example of a few instances of human compassion suppose to prove your point
Idiot: And why does the government have to declare these two animals with non human rights... Because people are assholes and will take advantage and abuse whatever suites them... Just like they would abuse and misuse any new life form presented to the
Idiot: Them
Me: The government is a body that represents the will of the people. They made those decisions due to public outcry.
Idiot: You believe that?
Me: Why else exactly would they?
Idiot: You talk of everything with wide eyes... Every instance you mention is a single instance of human decency or compassion... There's a genocide of an entire race of people but who cares about that cause someone loves a puppy... Do you not know what corruption is? Back room deals and bribery?
Idiot: Of those things don't matter because a person fell in love with their computer
Me: Who is going to bribe a computer to destroy the world?
This is the same guy?! The one who got pissed at how you referred to it as cheating?
Good gravy. What a specimen.
No, it is a new person. He was referencing my allcaps yelling at that guy in my profile.
I posted my last response before reading it all. Now I've finished... holy shit, what an incredible asshole. You are a saint for continuing to talk to him as long as you did.
I like how he wouldn't read the articles because he was at work, but chatting on OKC? No Problem!
It was also pretty great the way he somehow managed to boil down the legal reclassification of dolphins and orangutans to "saving two animals". Um.
But by far, my favorite was his tactic of attempting to discount your intelligence by demeaning you as "naive".
WHAT A CHARMER.
lol, my interactions in OKC are never that long, its either a short workup to "where do we meet?" or silence cause i creeped them out... and at what point does one stop talking to a person that clearly has different views? is there hope to magically turn them around and into one's pants? Like, what's this guy's objective?...
Quote from: The Johnny on January 07, 2015, 12:49:15 AM
lol, my interactions in OKC are never that long, its either a short workup to "where do we meet?" or silence cause i creeped them out... and at what point does one stop talking to a person that clearly has different views? is there hope to magically turn them around and into one's pants? Like, what's this guy's objective?...
I do not believe this guy was under any misconceptions about getting into my pants from the get-go, but was rather looking for a distraction from work.
What disappoints me the most is that I'd really like to have this debate out with a capable sparring partner. My position is in no way unassailable and there's a lot of assumptions that should be challenged. I care about this subject quite a bit and I'd like to refine my understanding of it better. This little dicknut keeps jumping all over the place, I can't even tell where he thought the goalposts were when we started and every one of his rebuttals is "you're wrong and also a baby."
His hypocrisy approached a perfect 10 when, after calling your initial remarks "weak" and saying that you have a view of the perfect world and are naive, he said "If you wanna be rude and argue then fine".
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 07, 2015, 06:18:32 AM
His hypocrisy approached a perfect 10 when, after calling your initial remarks "weak" and saying that you have a view of the perfect world and are naive, he said "If you wanna be rude and argue then fine".
Because "most humans and other intelligent species aren't immediately dicks to strangers" is super deluded and optimistic....
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on January 07, 2015, 06:24:13 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 07, 2015, 06:18:32 AM
His hypocrisy approached a perfect 10 when, after calling your initial remarks "weak" and saying that you have a view of the perfect world and are naive, he said "If you wanna be rude and argue then fine".
Because "most humans and other intelligent species aren't immediately dicks to strangers" is super deluded and optimistic....
He's just another boring hipster whose identity is wound up in being jaded and pessimistic so he doesn't have to actually think about doing anything to help make the world a better place.
Rhetorically sparring with most people gives you lowest denominator... cheap shots and a lot of flailing around... it takes a good opponent to learn something more than primitive representations and prejudices that support theircomfort zone and worldview.
Its probably a flawed comparison, but, it might be the diffrence between fighting with maces and fencing... brute force vs disciplined and trained "attacks".
QG, if the subject really interests you, then you should check out the Friendly AI posts at LessWrong.
http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Friendly_artificial_intelligence
There's even a foundation dedicated to positive AI, called MIRI.
https://intelligence.org/
Please to enjoy.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 07, 2015, 01:10:03 PM
QG, if the subject really interests you, then you should check out the Friendly AI posts at LessWrong.
http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Friendly_artificial_intelligence
There's even a foundation dedicated to positive AI, called MIRI.
https://intelligence.org/
Please to enjoy.
I found MIRI as I was looking for more things to bolster my arguments, I actually have a bunch of tabs open from there right now. :) I'll be sure to look at Less Wrong too. Thanks.
There's a really fun game I've been playing, a text adventure based on designing AI where the robot learns from your decisions and becomes any manner of benevolent, homicidal, etc.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.choiceofgames.robots&hl=en (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.choiceofgames.robots&hl=en)
My stepsister's boyfriend wrote it. He's got some ridiculous doctorate in Artificial Intelligence and works for Google. I'm going to have to bring up Less Wrong and Yudkowsky at the next family gathering, now that I think of it.
Sorry if this comes across as a plug. It seems like it might really interest some folks here.
I wish I could googleplay at work. It sounds pretty cool.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on January 07, 2015, 02:10:33 PM
There's a really fun game I've been playing, a text adventure based on designing AI where the robot learns from your decisions and becomes any manner of benevolent, homicidal, etc.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.choiceofgames.robots&hl=en (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.choiceofgames.robots&hl=en)
My stepsister's boyfriend wrote it. He's got some ridiculous doctorate in Artificial Intelligence and works for Google. I'm going to have to bring up Less Wrong and Yudkowsky at the next family gathering, now that I think of it.
Sorry if this comes across as a plug. It seems like it might really interest some folks here.
This looks fun!
right, so Comfortable Female Friend just texted me today saying she doesn't wanna see me anymore. So that's just fucking terrific.
Sounds like a one-sided comfort. Sucks, but there could be something to learn, there.
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on January 29, 2015, 05:10:58 AM
right, so Comfortable Female Friend just texted me today saying she doesn't wanna see me anymore. So that's just fucking terrific.
:( I'm sorry to hear that.
Right so after the whole thing i just posted i am considering switching up my profile. I had written up a prospective new profile a while back, but i'd like to post it up here first too see if its too... aggressive? tell me what you think.
"Alright, so I've had the same self- summary for the past several years and it's gotten me nowhere. Let's start from the top....
I'm not going to try to encapsulate everything about me in a profile. I'm a complex person, so doing that would be impossible anyway. Besides, that would take away the fun of getting to know me, right? Right. So instead, I'm going to be up front with what I'm hoping to get out of this site and what I can offer to you, Person Reading This Profile.
So, first and foremost, I want to make it clear that I'm not looking for a one night stand. No, this is not a ploy, not some PUA bluff mean to get your guard down so I can get in your pants. I guarantee that if we have a one night stand, it will be largely unintentional. I have never been in a serious relationship before yet through my experiences with dating I've found that I'm one of those guys for whom physical attraction and emotional connection go hand in hand, so it just makes sense for me to focus on a girlfriend.
But even then, why should you even give me a chance? You, being a lovely lady on a dating site, I'm sure you're up to your shapely figure in messages from guys better looking than me, so why bother? Well, to be honest, if that's the case, then by all means, play on ladyplaya. Yet, what I'm hoping is that you, like me, are tired of all these games, and are looking for something real. I have a very low tolerance for bullshit, so if you can be open, honest, and upfront with me, I will be the same with you. That seems fair, right?
So what do I have to offer? Well, for starters, I am talented. I can give a good hard backrub after a long day, I can cook you a delicious meal from the plants I grow in my garden, or prepare a useful home remedy from those same plants. I can listen to your day, I can make you laugh about it, and afterwards I can serenade you with my lovely singing voice. Who wouldn't want that?
Furthermore, I pride myself on my honesty. I think too much goes wrong when people aren't up front about what they want, so I try to be an open book about what I want and need from a potential partner as humanly possible. If you date me, I promise no games, no underlying messages, just what you see is what you get. This also means I'll expect a similar level of honesty from you, but that's a fair tradeoff, don't you think? If you're comfortable communicating openly and you're tired of guys who lie to you, give me a shot. I promise you won't regret it."
Way too long and makes it sound like even you think a chick would be settling by going out with you. At least sell yourself a little, man, by assuming that there are ladies out there who are not totally out of your league/dating down by going out with you. And a little less leaning on the honesty and openness angle, because too much stress on that can be scary, for the reason that psychos can and will turn every minute perceived inconsistency, or even a changed mind, into a basis for accusations of lying liar slutdom, and those same psychos often put way too much emphasis on I AM HONEST GODDAMMIT AND I EXPECT PERFECT HONESTY FROM YOU TRUST ME I WILL BE EXAMINING EVERYTHING YOU EVER SAY AND GOING THROUGH YOUR PHONE, PURSE, AND EMAILS FOR ANY HINTS OF DISHONESTY, YOU MISLEADING WHORE.
Anyway, a suggested revision:
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on February 07, 2015, 03:54:26 AM
I'm not going to try to encapsulate everything about me in a profile. I'm a complex person, so doing that would be impossible anyway. Besides, that would take away the fun of getting to know me, right? So instead, I'm going to be up front with what I'm hoping to get out of this site and what I can offer to you, Person Reading This Profile.
So, first and foremost, I want to make it clear that I'm not looking for a one night stand. I've found that I'm one of those guys for whom physical attraction and emotional connection go hand in hand, so it just makes sense for me to focus on getting to know someone before getting down and dirty.
You, being a lovely lady on a dating site, I'm sure you're up to your shapely figure in messages from guys, so why should you take the time to play the slow game? Well, if that's where you're at, then by all means, play on ladyplaya. Yet, what I'm hoping is that you, like me, are looking for something real; someone with whom you can be open, honest, and upfront, and from whom you expect the same. I think too much goes wrong when people aren't up front about what they want, so I try to be an open book about what I want and need from a potential partner. I'm not into games or hidden underlying messages, just what you see is what you get, and that's what I look for in people to enjoy spending time with.
I can give a good hard backrub after a long day, I can cook you a delicious meal from the plants I grow in my garden, or prepare a useful home remedy from those same plants. I can listen to your day, I can make you laugh about it, and afterwards I can serenade you with my lovely singing voice. If that sounds appealing to you, message me, and maybe you and me let's go do something fun together.
I like Nigels edit, its more concise.
The general message conveyed is: im not an unidimensional person, have some basic inaight and self perception, is probably looking for someone long term monogamously, are nurturing, into gardening and some herbolatry.
I agree with Nigel's assessment.
I also just fired this thing back up myself. I wasn't going to do the online dating thing but I'm just not meeting new people with any regularity.
http://www.okcupid.com/profile/eeyoci (http://www.okcupid.com/profile/eeyoci)
Feedback welcome.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on February 07, 2015, 06:16:19 PM
I agree with Nigel's assessment.
I also just fired this thing back up myself. I wasn't going to do the online dating thing but I'm just not meeting new people with any regularity.
http://www.okcupid.com/profile/eeyoci (http://www.okcupid.com/profile/eeyoci)
Feedback welcome.
It is perfect, and you are adorable. If you were ten to twenty years older and within a 20-mile radius of me, I would already have messaged you.
So I guess what that tells you is that your profile is very attractive to Nigel-types. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, you'll have to be the judge of that.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 07, 2015, 06:39:33 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on February 07, 2015, 06:16:19 PM
I agree with Nigel's assessment.
I also just fired this thing back up myself. I wasn't going to do the online dating thing but I'm just not meeting new people with any regularity.
http://www.okcupid.com/profile/eeyoci (http://www.okcupid.com/profile/eeyoci)
Feedback welcome.
It is perfect, and you are adorable. If you were ten to twenty years older and within a 20-mile radius of me, I would already have messaged you.
So I guess what that tells you is that your profile is very attractive to Nigel-types. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, you'll have to be the judge of that.
Shucks! :oops:
Thanks, really, and that does sound like a good thing!
Thanks Nigel, I like it! I often feel I come off too desperate with bios like this.
YW!
hxxp://www.okcupid.com/profile/boxer4you12
I didn't message him, I didn't look at his profile, I didn't do shit. This is what he dumped in my inbox as the very first interaction.
QuoteI'm thinking you and me.. we meet up in the woods and kiss eachother. Just enjoying the warmth of making out eyes closed lip biting with every fourth kiss..Feeling your head tilt back with me kissing your neck inch by inch by inch peck by peck till I'm at your ear..I'll grab your hair and pull your head back while I tease your ear lobe and nibble / suck..telling you "I want you..your skin tastes so great..I'm going to take my big cock and Fuck you over and over till your dripping"
Then I'll let my grip off of your pony tail and stand behind you. I'll push you forcefully to the closest tree. Your hands grasping the trunk. You breathing heavily as I lift your skirt up and smack your ass red.
You'll be enjoying the pain holding tighter against the tree almost hurting your hands. Then I'll rip your blouse off and unstrap your bra so your breasts hang there. You'll try to cover them and push you back to the tree and slap your ass even harder as punishment..
You'll be breathing heavy scared but excited for what's next. This time I'll place my hands against the back of your neck and slide them down your spine softly feeling the softness of your skin..then I'll reach your ass and slide down your thong. With my left hand I'll splice open your pussy and send two fingers deep in you..
Letting you enjoy the feeling as I explore your pussy feeling all inside. You'll feel my right hand in front of your thiegh reaching between your legs and rubbing your clit at the same time. Hands to the tree and moaning with each stroke of my fingers into you. Barely holding on your slip to the tree and I reposition you right away and continue finger fucking you until you shake..your legs barely hold and you cum..
Soaked in cum I pull out my left hand and use the right now in you. Going fast hard and making you moan with each push. My cock is throbbing hard waiting for you and now that you've finished you have a job i pull you too me and my hands soaked in your cum I massage your tits with them getting them wett and tease your nipples..you can't handle it so I pull with two fingers on each one n snap just a little..enough to make you whine because of how good it feels. Your turned around now staring in my eyes we kiss..lips pursed and my cock pushed to your clit. Body's close warmth exhanged and my eyes confident into you.. I lift you up onto me pushed against the tree and suck your left breast..enjoying the taste of your cum on them.. sucking soft then hard leaving hickies all over each one..I'll go to the right one next and as I'm teasing your nipple your head keeps falling back in enjoyment.. I can't stop I need more
Your a very lucky little girl I say to you and you smirk but are scared
I put you back down lay onto the ground and tell you to unzip my jeans..you do as your told then I have you position yourself opposite of me and make you suck me off. I'm staring into your soaked pussy and I can't help myself. It feels so good that your face first all the way onto my Dick and I start licking your clit focusing on the top.
Iicking into your pussy for that sweet cum I love then I spit on it and start sucking your clit just enough pressure to keep suction on it while I slap my tounge left and right on your clit pressing that ball that makes you choke on my cock from the pleasure of getting off
Your so wett and you reach your orgasm.. I'm ready to cum in your mouth but I reach up with my tongue force it into you and rub your clit fast as i taste all of you
So your watching my starving cock throb sucking and licking it. I pull you up with your hair and make you turn to me
Your sitting on my abs and I prop you up letting your pussy lips rest against the tip of my cock... I push you onto me even tho there not fully in.. I pull you up more and let you adjust so I can slide smoothly into you
Slowly letting you pump my cock bouncing on it as it sinks deep into you with each wrench.. then when your going fast ill pull you too me from your waste and start sucking your breasts
I'll grab your hips and force you onto me while my ass in is the air meeting you slamming down on me.. when your fully in ill slide you back into the air and out of me.. ill slam your pussy back onto me and force you closer to me so that your clit splays and rubs against me.. youll whine with the feeling of your clit being pushed back and forth. My cock only moving less than an inch out of you at a time I'll force you to sit fully up hands on my chest while I'm pushing your hips to slide back and forth from my legs sliding your pussy against my skin while it sinks back and forth past your g spot
Getting faster and faster it starts burning your clit like friction from rubing so hard. Then you reach it as your clit is numb and you squeeze my cock so hard as you release that I shove it deeper and cum into you.. I'll put your hand on your clit to rub the rest out as you squeeze my cock hard and I finish inside you
I let you fall on me and we lay there in the woods naked to eachothr skin pressed flat and making out as the warm wind of beach sways into the forrest
Cock still in you the whole time we pass out and wake up hours later inside you...
I need an adult :(
Jesus. :eek:
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on March 27, 2015, 07:27:44 PM
hxxp://www.okcupid.com/profile/boxer4you12
I didn't message him, I didn't look at his profile, I didn't do shit. This is what he dumped in my inbox as the very first interaction.
QuoteI'm thinking you and me.. we meet up in the woods and kiss eachother. Just enjoying the warmth of making out eyes closed lip biting with every fourth kiss..Feeling your head tilt back with me kissing your neck inch by inch by inch peck by peck till I'm at your ear..I'll grab your hair and pull your head back while I tease your ear lobe and nibble / suck..telling you "I want you..your skin tastes so great..I'm going to take my big cock and Fuck you over and over till your dripping"
Then I'll let my grip off of your pony tail and stand behind you. I'll push you forcefully to the closest tree. Your hands grasping the trunk. You breathing heavily as I lift your skirt up and smack your ass red.
You'll be enjoying the pain holding tighter against the tree almost hurting your hands. Then I'll rip your blouse off and unstrap your bra so your breasts hang there. You'll try to cover them and push you back to the tree and slap your ass even harder as punishment..
You'll be breathing heavy scared but excited for what's next. This time I'll place my hands against the back of your neck and slide them down your spine softly feeling the softness of your skin..then I'll reach your ass and slide down your thong. With my left hand I'll splice open your pussy and send two fingers deep in you..
Letting you enjoy the feeling as I explore your pussy feeling all inside. You'll feel my right hand in front of your thiegh reaching between your legs and rubbing your clit at the same time. Hands to the tree and moaning with each stroke of my fingers into you. Barely holding on your slip to the tree and I reposition you right away and continue finger fucking you until you shake..your legs barely hold and you cum..
Soaked in cum I pull out my left hand and use the right now in you. Going fast hard and making you moan with each push. My cock is throbbing hard waiting for you and now that you've finished you have a job i pull you too me and my hands soaked in your cum I massage your tits with them getting them wett and tease your nipples..you can't handle it so I pull with two fingers on each one n snap just a little..enough to make you whine because of how good it feels. Your turned around now staring in my eyes we kiss..lips pursed and my cock pushed to your clit. Body's close warmth exhanged and my eyes confident into you.. I lift you up onto me pushed against the tree and suck your left breast..enjoying the taste of your cum on them.. sucking soft then hard leaving hickies all over each one..I'll go to the right one next and as I'm teasing your nipple your head keeps falling back in enjoyment.. I can't stop I need more
Your a very lucky little girl I say to you and you smirk but are scared
I put you back down lay onto the ground and tell you to unzip my jeans..you do as your told then I have you position yourself opposite of me and make you suck me off. I'm staring into your soaked pussy and I can't help myself. It feels so good that your face first all the way onto my Dick and I start licking your clit focusing on the top.
Iicking into your pussy for that sweet cum I love then I spit on it and start sucking your clit just enough pressure to keep suction on it while I slap my tounge left and right on your clit pressing that ball that makes you choke on my cock from the pleasure of getting off
Your so wett and you reach your orgasm.. I'm ready to cum in your mouth but I reach up with my tongue force it into you and rub your clit fast as i taste all of you
So your watching my starving cock throb sucking and licking it. I pull you up with your hair and make you turn to me
Your sitting on my abs and I prop you up letting your pussy lips rest against the tip of my cock... I push you onto me even tho there not fully in.. I pull you up more and let you adjust so I can slide smoothly into you
Slowly letting you pump my cock bouncing on it as it sinks deep into you with each wrench.. then when your going fast ill pull you too me from your waste and start sucking your breasts
I'll grab your hips and force you onto me while my ass in is the air meeting you slamming down on me.. when your fully in ill slide you back into the air and out of me.. ill slam your pussy back onto me and force you closer to me so that your clit splays and rubs against me.. youll whine with the feeling of your clit being pushed back and forth. My cock only moving less than an inch out of you at a time I'll force you to sit fully up hands on my chest while I'm pushing your hips to slide back and forth from my legs sliding your pussy against my skin while it sinks back and forth past your g spot
Getting faster and faster it starts burning your clit like friction from rubing so hard. Then you reach it as your clit is numb and you squeeze my cock so hard as you release that I shove it deeper and cum into you.. I'll put your hand on your clit to rub the rest out as you squeeze my cock hard and I finish inside you
I let you fall on me and we lay there in the woods naked to eachothr skin pressed flat and making out as the warm wind of beach sways into the forrest
Cock still in you the whole time we pass out and wake up hours later inside you...
I need an adult :(
Can I write the response?
:lulz:
probably smarter than finding him and lighting him on fire irl.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on March 27, 2015, 08:08:07 PM
probably smarter than finding him and lighting him on fire irl.
Hot diggity! I'll get on it when I get home from the gym tonight.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on March 27, 2015, 07:27:44 PM
hxxp://www.okcupid.com/profile/boxer4you12
I didn't message him, I didn't look at his profile, I didn't do shit. This is what he dumped in my inbox as the very first interaction.
QuoteI'm thinking you and me.. we meet up in the woods and kiss eachother. Just enjoying the warmth of making out eyes closed lip biting with every fourth kiss..Feeling your head tilt back with me kissing your neck inch by inch by inch peck by peck till I'm at your ear..I'll grab your hair and pull your head back while I tease your ear lobe and nibble / suck..telling you "I want you..your skin tastes so great..I'm going to take my big cock and Fuck you over and over till your dripping"
Then I'll let my grip off of your pony tail and stand behind you. I'll push you forcefully to the closest tree. Your hands grasping the trunk. You breathing heavily as I lift your skirt up and smack your ass red.
You'll be enjoying the pain holding tighter against the tree almost hurting your hands. Then I'll rip your blouse off and unstrap your bra so your breasts hang there. You'll try to cover them and push you back to the tree and slap your ass even harder as punishment..
You'll be breathing heavy scared but excited for what's next. This time I'll place my hands against the back of your neck and slide them down your spine softly feeling the softness of your skin..then I'll reach your ass and slide down your thong. With my left hand I'll splice open your pussy and send two fingers deep in you..
Letting you enjoy the feeling as I explore your pussy feeling all inside. You'll feel my right hand in front of your thiegh reaching between your legs and rubbing your clit at the same time. Hands to the tree and moaning with each stroke of my fingers into you. Barely holding on your slip to the tree and I reposition you right away and continue finger fucking you until you shake..your legs barely hold and you cum..
Soaked in cum I pull out my left hand and use the right now in you. Going fast hard and making you moan with each push. My cock is throbbing hard waiting for you and now that you've finished you have a job i pull you too me and my hands soaked in your cum I massage your tits with them getting them wett and tease your nipples..you can't handle it so I pull with two fingers on each one n snap just a little..enough to make you whine because of how good it feels. Your turned around now staring in my eyes we kiss..lips pursed and my cock pushed to your clit. Body's close warmth exhanged and my eyes confident into you.. I lift you up onto me pushed against the tree and suck your left breast..enjoying the taste of your cum on them.. sucking soft then hard leaving hickies all over each one..I'll go to the right one next and as I'm teasing your nipple your head keeps falling back in enjoyment.. I can't stop I need more
Your a very lucky little girl I say to you and you smirk but are scared
I put you back down lay onto the ground and tell you to unzip my jeans..you do as your told then I have you position yourself opposite of me and make you suck me off. I'm staring into your soaked pussy and I can't help myself. It feels so good that your face first all the way onto my Dick and I start licking your clit focusing on the top.
Iicking into your pussy for that sweet cum I love then I spit on it and start sucking your clit just enough pressure to keep suction on it while I slap my tounge left and right on your clit pressing that ball that makes you choke on my cock from the pleasure of getting off
Your so wett and you reach your orgasm.. I'm ready to cum in your mouth but I reach up with my tongue force it into you and rub your clit fast as i taste all of you
So your watching my starving cock throb sucking and licking it. I pull you up with your hair and make you turn to me
Your sitting on my abs and I prop you up letting your pussy lips rest against the tip of my cock... I push you onto me even tho there not fully in.. I pull you up more and let you adjust so I can slide smoothly into you
Slowly letting you pump my cock bouncing on it as it sinks deep into you with each wrench.. then when your going fast ill pull you too me from your waste and start sucking your breasts
I'll grab your hips and force you onto me while my ass in is the air meeting you slamming down on me.. when your fully in ill slide you back into the air and out of me.. ill slam your pussy back onto me and force you closer to me so that your clit splays and rubs against me.. youll whine with the feeling of your clit being pushed back and forth. My cock only moving less than an inch out of you at a time I'll force you to sit fully up hands on my chest while I'm pushing your hips to slide back and forth from my legs sliding your pussy against my skin while it sinks back and forth past your g spot
Getting faster and faster it starts burning your clit like friction from rubing so hard. Then you reach it as your clit is numb and you squeeze my cock so hard as you release that I shove it deeper and cum into you.. I'll put your hand on your clit to rub the rest out as you squeeze my cock hard and I finish inside you
I let you fall on me and we lay there in the woods naked to eachothr skin pressed flat and making out as the warm wind of beach sways into the forrest
Cock still in you the whole time we pass out and wake up hours later inside you...
I need an adult :(
Can we guess how small his dick is?
That would just be rude to the smalldick community.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on March 27, 2015, 09:31:44 PM
That would just be rude to the smalldick community.
You wouldn't BELIEVE the idea I have. :lol:
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on March 27, 2015, 09:31:44 PM
That would just be rude to the smalldick community.
True....
Last Saturday, I lost my virginity. Thanks, okcupid!
Ok, some elaboration: Last week, I messaged and met up with a very nice girl. We liked each other and spent most of the week hanging out downtown. Eventually, the subject of sex came up, and it was something we both wanted to do, so we made plans and did it at the end of the week. It turns out we're really compatible, and it went well. Neither of us is really in a position for a romantic relationship, but I think we basically have the ideal kind of friendship with benefits. We're both really open about sex with each other, but it's far from the central reason we have anything to do with each other.
I've always been kinda terrified of the prospect of encroaching on someone else's boundaries or being creepy and predatory, and that's the main reason I hadn't really made a move with anyone before. I'm glad my first time turned out to be about as thoroughly consensual as humanly possible.
Quote from: President Television on March 28, 2015, 03:32:03 AM
but I think we basically have the ideal kind of friendship with benefits.
This rarely works. It sounds like you like each other. Dive in headfirst.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 27, 2015, 08:01:02 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on March 27, 2015, 07:27:44 PM
hxxp://www.okcupid.com/profile/boxer4you12
I didn't message him, I didn't look at his profile, I didn't do shit. This is what he dumped in my inbox as the very first interaction.
QuoteI'm thinking you and me.. we meet up in the woods and kiss eachother. Just enjoying the warmth of making out eyes closed lip biting with every fourth kiss..Feeling your head tilt back with me kissing your neck inch by inch by inch peck by peck till I'm at your ear..I'll grab your hair and pull your head back while I tease your ear lobe and nibble / suck..telling you "I want you..your skin tastes so great..I'm going to take my big cock and Fuck you over and over till your dripping"
Then I'll let my grip off of your pony tail and stand behind you. I'll push you forcefully to the closest tree. Your hands grasping the trunk. You breathing heavily as I lift your skirt up and smack your ass red.
You'll be enjoying the pain holding tighter against the tree almost hurting your hands. Then I'll rip your blouse off and unstrap your bra so your breasts hang there. You'll try to cover them and push you back to the tree and slap your ass even harder as punishment..
You'll be breathing heavy scared but excited for what's next. This time I'll place my hands against the back of your neck and slide them down your spine softly feeling the softness of your skin..then I'll reach your ass and slide down your thong. With my left hand I'll splice open your pussy and send two fingers deep in you..
Letting you enjoy the feeling as I explore your pussy feeling all inside. You'll feel my right hand in front of your thiegh reaching between your legs and rubbing your clit at the same time. Hands to the tree and moaning with each stroke of my fingers into you. Barely holding on your slip to the tree and I reposition you right away and continue finger fucking you until you shake..your legs barely hold and you cum..
Soaked in cum I pull out my left hand and use the right now in you. Going fast hard and making you moan with each push. My cock is throbbing hard waiting for you and now that you've finished you have a job i pull you too me and my hands soaked in your cum I massage your tits with them getting them wett and tease your nipples..you can't handle it so I pull with two fingers on each one n snap just a little..enough to make you whine because of how good it feels. Your turned around now staring in my eyes we kiss..lips pursed and my cock pushed to your clit. Body's close warmth exhanged and my eyes confident into you.. I lift you up onto me pushed against the tree and suck your left breast..enjoying the taste of your cum on them.. sucking soft then hard leaving hickies all over each one..I'll go to the right one next and as I'm teasing your nipple your head keeps falling back in enjoyment.. I can't stop I need more
Your a very lucky little girl I say to you and you smirk but are scared
I put you back down lay onto the ground and tell you to unzip my jeans..you do as your told then I have you position yourself opposite of me and make you suck me off. I'm staring into your soaked pussy and I can't help myself. It feels so good that your face first all the way onto my Dick and I start licking your clit focusing on the top.
Iicking into your pussy for that sweet cum I love then I spit on it and start sucking your clit just enough pressure to keep suction on it while I slap my tounge left and right on your clit pressing that ball that makes you choke on my cock from the pleasure of getting off
Your so wett and you reach your orgasm.. I'm ready to cum in your mouth but I reach up with my tongue force it into you and rub your clit fast as i taste all of you
So your watching my starving cock throb sucking and licking it. I pull you up with your hair and make you turn to me
Your sitting on my abs and I prop you up letting your pussy lips rest against the tip of my cock... I push you onto me even tho there not fully in.. I pull you up more and let you adjust so I can slide smoothly into you
Slowly letting you pump my cock bouncing on it as it sinks deep into you with each wrench.. then when your going fast ill pull you too me from your waste and start sucking your breasts
I'll grab your hips and force you onto me while my ass in is the air meeting you slamming down on me.. when your fully in ill slide you back into the air and out of me.. ill slam your pussy back onto me and force you closer to me so that your clit splays and rubs against me.. youll whine with the feeling of your clit being pushed back and forth. My cock only moving less than an inch out of you at a time I'll force you to sit fully up hands on my chest while I'm pushing your hips to slide back and forth from my legs sliding your pussy against my skin while it sinks back and forth past your g spot
Getting faster and faster it starts burning your clit like friction from rubing so hard. Then you reach it as your clit is numb and you squeeze my cock so hard as you release that I shove it deeper and cum into you.. I'll put your hand on your clit to rub the rest out as you squeeze my cock hard and I finish inside you
I let you fall on me and we lay there in the woods naked to eachothr skin pressed flat and making out as the warm wind of beach sways into the forrest
Cock still in you the whole time we pass out and wake up hours later inside you...
I need an adult :(
Can I write the response?
:lulz:
This is the only possible correct course of action.
Quote from: President Television on March 28, 2015, 03:32:03 AM
Last Saturday, I lost my virginity. Thanks, okcupid!
Ok, some elaboration: Last week, I messaged and met up with a very nice girl. We liked each other and spent most of the week hanging out downtown. Eventually, the subject of sex came up, and it was something we both wanted to do, so we made plans and did it at the end of the week. It turns out we're really compatible, and it went well. Neither of us is really in a position for a romantic relationship, but I think we basically have the ideal kind of friendship with benefits. We're both really open about sex with each other, but it's far from the central reason we have anything to do with each other.
I've always been kinda terrified of the prospect of encroaching on someone else's boundaries or being creepy and predatory, and that's the main reason I hadn't really made a move with anyone before. I'm glad my first time turned out to be about as thoroughly consensual as humanly possible.
YAY! Way to go!