Note: Tip of the hat to Nigel, who coined this term, and for introducing me to Dunning-Krueger.
By virtue of being able to read this, you are intelligent. There's no arguing that. You may in fact be above average when it comes to intelligence, and your parents may have done you a grave disservice by telling you that, instead of letting you figure it out for yourself.
But are you the smartest person you know? More to the point, is it IMPORTANT that you be the smartest person you know? Is it critical to your happiness that you let everyone else know just how smart you are, and just how perfect your life is in every detail?
You frequently, though not always see this in engineers. A Special Snowflake kind of engineer. They know all, inside their field and out, and it is important to them that they be the ONLY person who knows ANYTHING about ANYTHING. In short, they're DUMBASSES.
It's not just engineers, of course...It's just that engineering has an occupational hazard of the engineer in question becoming The Expert. The Smartest Guy in the Room. Almost all other fields of expertise carry the same risk, of course. Doctors are kind of famous for this, for example.
The easiest way to tell if you are The Smartest Guy in the Room is to examine your impulses during any conversation. If you find yourself COMPELLED to offer your opinion or advice, you may be The Smartest Guy in the Room. If you find yourself specifically listening for something to correct, you may also be That Guy. If you think sourcing your arguments is a sign of weakness, you're in the zone. And if you CANNOT bring yourself to say "I don't know" or even "I was wrong", then you ARE That Guy. Because whatever it is you're talking about, you aren't really talking about. You're saying "LOOK AT ME, LOOK HOW SMART I AM".
You've probably by now noticed a common thread between the mental illness thing, The Cause thing, and the Smartest Guy in the Room. It's given away by the title of this essay, "Special Snowflake". The common theme, of course, is narcissism. It is the turning inward of the intellect, in an attempt to deny the idea that you might not actually be the main character. The worst part about it is how offensive and then boring it makes a person. This leads to being ostracized, which in turn leads to more screaming and hollering for the world to LOOK AT ME. The person in question - no matter which of the three types of Snowflake they are - will interpret being ostracized as some weird form of validation, "I'M TOO MUCH FOR THE LITTLE PEOPLE TO HANDLE" or "I KNEW THEY WERE TOO SMALL MINDED TO JOIN THE CAUSE", or "MY CRAZY MAKES ME TOO SPECIAL FOR NORMAL PEOPLE".
The end result is, of course, the same. You're a Special Snowflake. All by yourself.
Or Kill Me.
Hell yes.
Bingo.
And if you do find that you actually are the smartest guy in the room, you might want to reconsider the company you keep.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 27, 2013, 07:12:40 PM
Bingo.
And if you do find that you actually are the smartest guy in the room, you might want to reconsider the company you keep.
Excellent point. The alternative is being a guru, and that's a sort of hell all by itself.
Preach it!
Oh good lord holy shit yes.
Also, possibly related: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/2013/08/26/23-signs-youre-secretly-a-narcissist-masquerading-as-a-sensitive-introvert/
Right on target with all three of these essays. Especially with ending in narcissism.
Guilty as charged. All three, I think, although 1 and 2 I grew out of years ago. Now and again I'll fight the urge to be the smartest guy in the room. On the odd embarrassing occasion, I'll lose :oops:
I also used to suffer from this issue heavily, and it still occasionally drives me into shitty modes. The syndrome seems to be helped by a dose of Naive Rationalism and cured by some healthy Skepticism and an appreciation of the stupendous diversity in those multifarious skills and behaviors we group into one strange word called 'intelligence'. Those who think a concept so highly multi-dimensional can be captured and measured on a simple linear scale are idiots.
I would add to the Engineer, the Physicist. Generally my experience is that the more exact the field - the more it seems to fool you into epistemic arrogance.
The thing is, in many, if not most, group endeavours, organizations, fields, or projects...
The overall group WANTS to identify the smartest guy in the room. They will be hapless and scared without one. And one WILL be identified and crowned, willingly or not.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 12:17:37 AM
The thing is, in many, if not most, group endeavours, organizations, fields, or projects...
The overall group WANTS to identify the smartest guy in the room. They will be hapless and scared without one. And one WILL be identified and crowned, willingly or not.
The evidence for my POV has been provided. Thanks, RWHN! :lulz:
Quote from: Ixxie on August 28, 2013, 12:03:05 AM
I also used to suffer from this issue heavily, and it still occasionally drives me into shitty modes. The syndrome seems to be helped by a dose of Naive Rationalism and cured by some healthy Skepticism and an appreciation of the stupendous diversity in those multifarious skills and behaviors we group into one strange word called 'intelligence'. Those who think a concept so highly multi-dimensional can be captured and measured on a simple linear scale are idiots.
I would add to the Engineer, the Physicist. Generally my experience is that the more exact the field - the more it seems to fool you into epistemic arrogance.
Yes, we're complete bastards. :lulz:
And we hate biologists. Messy engineering, that's all it is.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 12:17:37 AM
The thing is, in many, if not most, group endeavours, organizations, fields, or projects...
The overall group WANTS to identify the smartest guy in the room. They will be hapless and scared without one. And one WILL be identified and crowned, willingly or not.
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm
Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 28, 2013, 01:28:05 AM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 12:17:37 AM
The thing is, in many, if not most, group endeavours, organizations, fields, or projects...
The overall group WANTS to identify the smartest guy in the room. They will be hapless and scared without one. And one WILL be identified and crowned, willingly or not.
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm
WHO'S THE SPECIALEST SPECIAL LITTLE SNOWFLAKE EVER? OO IS IT? IS IT RHWN? SUCH A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE!
How adorable.
:lulz:
Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 28, 2013, 01:28:05 AM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 12:17:37 AM
The thing is, in many, if not most, group endeavours, organizations, fields, or projects...
The overall group WANTS to identify the smartest guy in the room. They will be hapless and scared without one. And one WILL be identified and crowned, willingly or not.
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm
I scored a 14, being as honest as I could.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 01:00:35 AM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 12:17:37 AM
The thing is, in many, if not most, group endeavours, organizations, fields, or projects...
The overall group WANTS to identify the smartest guy in the room. They will be hapless and scared without one. And one WILL be identified and crowned, willingly or not.
The evidence for my POV has been provided. Thanks, RWHN! :lulz:
Tell me why I'm wrong.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 01:46:17 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 01:00:35 AM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 12:17:37 AM
The thing is, in many, if not most, group endeavours, organizations, fields, or projects...
The overall group WANTS to identify the smartest guy in the room. They will be hapless and scared without one. And one WILL be identified and crowned, willingly or not.
The evidence for my POV has been provided. Thanks, RWHN! :lulz:
Tell me why I'm wrong.
Because you're so narcissistic that you no longer believe anyone has any volition? :lulz:
People have volition but they will still want to find the natural leader in any group process.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 01:53:31 AM
People have volition but they will still want to find the natural leader in any group process.
Which is, naturally, you.
:lulz:
Argue the point instead of making the thread about me. Tell me how I'm wrong.
:lulz:
Funny thing is, RWHN, I wrote the OP with you in mind.
And you have delivered. Thanks.
:lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 01:34:47 AM
Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 28, 2013, 01:28:05 AM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 12:17:37 AM
The thing is, in many, if not most, group endeavours, organizations, fields, or projects...
The overall group WANTS to identify the smartest guy in the room. They will be hapless and scared without one. And one WILL be identified and crowned, willingly or not.
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm
I scored a 14, being as honest as I could.
12 here, which actually surprised me quite a bit.
I got a 2 - but went into the test considering narcissism an undesirable trait. Pre-loaded bias and easily discernible grading system.
IMHO - If you're the smartest person in the room SHUT UP. Announcing it will set the others on the guard against you. IT will enver work if they start asking why they are handing you their money.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 01:53:31 AM
People have volition but they will still want to find the natural leader in any group process.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652/DSECTION=tests-and-diagnosis
Huh.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 01:53:31 AM
People have volition but they will still want to find the natural leader in any group process.
They actually WANT to be dominated.
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Quote from: Pæs on August 28, 2013, 02:20:40 AM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 01:53:31 AM
People have volition but they will still want to find the natural leader in any group process.
They actually WANT to be dominated.
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This has been both hilarious and cringetastic.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 01:59:20 AM
Funny thing is, RWHN, I wrote the OP with you in mind.
No kidding. It wasn't exactly subtle. Well the intent, but of course you are off the mark.
People do tend to see me as a natural leader in many situations. But I like to help people. I'm not really concerned about being perceived as the smartest guy in the room. I just want to be perceived as helpful and as a reliable resource. And other times I actualky get a little annoyed when people insist on anointing me as the leader of a thing when I'd rather someone else take the reigns. People have volition but sometimes groups can cause laziness too.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 03:21:59 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 01:59:20 AM
Funny thing is, RWHN, I wrote the OP with you in mind.
No kidding. It wasn't exactly subtle. Well the intent, but of course you are off the mark.
No, RWHN, I was dead on the fucking money.
You really know very little about me so you really can't say that with any authority.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 01:46:17 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 01:00:35 AM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 12:17:37 AM
The thing is, in many, if not most, group endeavours, organizations, fields, or projects...
The overall group WANTS to identify the smartest guy in the room. They will be hapless and scared without one. And one WILL be identified and crowned, willingly or not.
The evidence for my POV has been provided. Thanks, RWHN! :lulz:
Tell me why I'm wrong.
Ugh. Well, first, the Smartest Guy in the Room is rarely (if ever)
actually the smartest guy (or gal) in the room. That he or those around him may be unaware of this only adds to the problem.
Second, the Smartest Guy in the Room will immediately steer any conversation about something he is unfamiliar with into a conversation about something he is passingly familiar with (for some reason, the SGitR has an enormous lack of any actual expertise on almost everything) just so he can claim the heavyweight title and go back into his to intellectual coma as quickly as possible.
Third, both of these traits describe you to a T.
Fourth, stop mangling threads that were doing just fine without you.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 03:21:59 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 01:59:20 AM
Funny thing is, RWHN, I wrote the OP with you in mind.
No kidding. It wasn't exactly subtle. Well the intent, but of course you are off the mark.
People do tend to see me as a natural leader in many situations. But I like to help people. I'm not really concerned about being perceived as the smartest guy in the room. I just want to be perceived as helpful and as a reliable resource. And other times I actualky get a little annoyed when people insist on anointing me as the leader of a thing when I'd rather someone else take the reigns. People have volition but sometimes groups can cause laziness too.
It's "reins". Like you steer a horse with.
Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 28, 2013, 04:54:52 AM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 03:21:59 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 01:59:20 AM
Funny thing is, RWHN, I wrote the OP with you in mind.
No kidding. It wasn't exactly subtle. Well the intent, but of course you are off the mark.
People do tend to see me as a natural leader in many situations. But I like to help people. I'm not really concerned about being perceived as the smartest guy in the room. I just want to be perceived as helpful and as a reliable resource. And other times I actualky get a little annoyed when people insist on anointing me as the leader of a thing when I'd rather someone else take the reigns. People have volition but sometimes groups can cause laziness too.
It's "reins". Like you steer a horse with.
Seriously, if you just use pedantic dickery to avoid dealing with actual points made you may as well spell check. Or go fuck yourself or both.
Unless...ZOMG..you did it on purpose as some kind of troll.
Naw!
That would be too blisteringly obvious to such a erudite Leader and Difference Maker such as yourself. I expect there's something more clever going on.
Quote from: Alty on August 28, 2013, 04:57:43 AM
Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 28, 2013, 04:54:52 AM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 03:21:59 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 01:59:20 AM
Funny thing is, RWHN, I wrote the OP with you in mind.
No kidding. It wasn't exactly subtle. Well the intent, but of course you are off the mark.
People do tend to see me as a natural leader in many situations. But I like to help people. I'm not really concerned about being perceived as the smartest guy in the room. I just want to be perceived as helpful and as a reliable resource. And other times I actualky get a little annoyed when people insist on anointing me as the leader of a thing when I'd rather someone else take the reigns. People have volition but sometimes groups can cause laziness too.
It's "reins". Like you steer a horse with.
Seriously, if you just use pedantic dickery to avoid dealing with actual points made you may as well spell check. Or go fuck yourself or both.
I's a natriral leader because of my superior competensly skells!
I cannot wait to use "competensly" IRL.
CAN'T YOU SEE THAT HE'S USING YOU ALL?
HE'S LIKE SOME KIND OF MASTERFUL PUPPETMASTER.
PULLING YOUR STRINGS.
TWISTING YOUR MIND AND SMASHING YOUR DREAMS.
Quote from: Pæs on August 28, 2013, 05:46:39 AM
CAN'T YOU SEE THAT HE'S USING YOU ALL?
HE'S LIKE SOME KIND OF MASTERFUL PUPPETMASTER.
PULLING YOUR STRINGS.
TWISTING YOUR MIND AND SMASHING YOUR DREAMS.
He's still not as good as that guy who hates the internet though.
Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 28, 2013, 05:48:56 AM
Quote from: Pæs on August 28, 2013, 05:46:39 AM
CAN'T YOU SEE THAT HE'S USING YOU ALL?
HE'S LIKE SOME KIND OF MASTERFUL PUPPETMASTER.
PULLING YOUR STRINGS.
TWISTING YOUR MIND AND SMASHING YOUR DREAMS.
He's still not as good as that guy who hates the internet though.
That's because he's an idiot.
Quote from: V3X on August 28, 2013, 04:46:39 AM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 01:46:17 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 01:00:35 AM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 12:17:37 AM
The thing is, in many, if not most, group endeavours, organizations, fields, or projects...
The overall group WANTS to identify the smartest guy in the room. They will be hapless and scared without one. And one WILL be identified and crowned, willingly or not.
The evidence for my POV has been provided. Thanks, RWHN! :lulz:
Tell me why I'm wrong.
Ugh. Well, first, the Smartest Guy in the Room is rarely (if ever) actually the smartest guy (or gal) in the room. That he or those around him may be unaware of this only adds to the problem.
Second, the Smartest Guy in the Room will immediately steer any conversation about something he is unfamiliar with into a conversation about something he is passingly familiar with (for some reason, the SGitR has an enormous lack of any actual expertise on almost everything) just so he can claim the heavyweight title and go back into his to intellectual coma as quickly as possible.
Third, both of these traits describe you to a T.
Fourth, stop mangling threads that were doing just fine without you.
hmm, nope. I'm afraid you are quite incorrect.
But now that I think about it, they describe Roger and Nigel perfectly.
Don't answer him! It's all a part of his brilliant scheme to make you dance like a trained monkey!
Oh, goodness, is he diabolical!
Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 28, 2013, 04:54:52 AM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 03:21:59 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 01:59:20 AM
Funny thing is, RWHN, I wrote the OP with you in mind.
No kidding. It wasn't exactly subtle. Well the intent, but of course you are off the mark.
People do tend to see me as a natural leader in many situations. But I like to help people. I'm not really concerned about being perceived as the smartest guy in the room. I just want to be perceived as helpful and as a reliable resource. And other times I actualky get a little annoyed when people insist on anointing me as the leader of a thing when I'd rather someone else take the reigns. People have volition but sometimes groups can cause laziness too.
It's "reins". Like you steer a horse with.
It would take a SGiTR to completely ignore the meat of an argument to be a spelling nazi. An excellent demonstration of TGRR's OP. Very well done!
Quote from: Pæs on August 28, 2013, 05:46:39 AM
CAN'T YOU SEE THAT HE'S USING YOU ALL?
HE'S LIKE SOME KIND OF MASTERFUL PUPPETMASTER.
PULLING YOUR STRINGS.
TWISTING YOUR MIND AND SMASHING YOUR DREAMS.
BLINDED BY DRUG THREADS CAN'T READ A THING
JUST CALL HIS NAME AND YOU'LL HEAR US SCREAM
FUCK OFF
FUCK OFF
JUST CALL HIS NAME AND YOU'LL HEAR US SCREAM.
Next, I'll be joining P3nt in a death metal version of the proclaimers singing about poverty. Tickets £3.50
Quote from: Junkenstein on August 28, 2013, 11:04:46 AM
Quote from: Pæs on August 28, 2013, 05:46:39 AM
CAN'T YOU SEE THAT HE'S USING YOU ALL?
HE'S LIKE SOME KIND OF MASTERFUL PUPPETMASTER.
PULLING YOUR STRINGS.
TWISTING YOUR MIND AND SMASHING YOUR DREAMS.
BLINDED BY DRUG THREADS CAN'T READ A THING
JUST CALL HIS NAME AND YOU'LL HEAR US SCREAM
FUCK OFF
FUCK OFF
JUST CALL HIS NAME AND YOU'LL HEAR US SCREAM.
Next, I'll be joining P3nt in a death metal version of the proclaimers singing about poverty. Tickets £3.50
I'm down with that program. I'll be responsible for getting the mosh pit reclassified as a humanitarian crisis :evil:
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Quote from: Cain on August 28, 2013, 11:17:24 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 01:34:47 AM
Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 28, 2013, 01:28:05 AM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 12:17:37 AM
The thing is, in many, if not most, group endeavours, organizations, fields, or projects...
The overall group WANTS to identify the smartest guy in the room. They will be hapless and scared without one. And one WILL be identified and crowned, willingly or not.
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm
I scored a 14, being as honest as I could.
I scored 7, being as honest as possible.
To be fair though, some of the questions were hard to respond to. I mean, ruling the world. What does that mean? Do I get an army? Will the majority of states accept my overlordship? Is this a democracy or a dictatorship? Or am I Ban-Ki Moon with an extravagant title? Factors man, factors. Assuming a benevolent dictatorship in which my authority was broadly accepted and the coercive elements of power were under my secure command...ruling the world might be OK.
But since it didn't say that, I had to go with No.
Also, the one about power for it's own sake kinda threw me. Power is never for it's own sake. Power is a means to an end, the end being...well, whatever one is seeking. It may be gratification for certain psychological flaws, or it may be more grand. The more selfish those means, the more they may appear to be for their own sake, but appearances are deceiving.
Scoring below average is a bit worrying, may indicate a possible problem with self-esteem? Dunno. Might be something to look into. Or may just be a silly online test. Undecided.
I scored 11 but I'm pretty sure it was a shitty test. Most of the questions my honest answer would have been "sometimes" (q7) or "depends on the situation" (q12)
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 28, 2013, 11:40:31 AM
Quote from: Cain on August 28, 2013, 11:17:24 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 01:34:47 AM
Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 28, 2013, 01:28:05 AM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 12:17:37 AM
The thing is, in many, if not most, group endeavours, organizations, fields, or projects...
The overall group WANTS to identify the smartest guy in the room. They will be hapless and scared without one. And one WILL be identified and crowned, willingly or not.
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm
I scored a 14, being as honest as I could.
I scored 7, being as honest as possible.
To be fair though, some of the questions were hard to respond to. I mean, ruling the world. What does that mean? Do I get an army? Will the majority of states accept my overlordship? Is this a democracy or a dictatorship? Or am I Ban-Ki Moon with an extravagant title? Factors man, factors. Assuming a benevolent dictatorship in which my authority was broadly accepted and the coercive elements of power were under my secure command...ruling the world might be OK.
But since it didn't say that, I had to go with No.
Also, the one about power for it's own sake kinda threw me. Power is never for it's own sake. Power is a means to an end, the end being...well, whatever one is seeking. It may be gratification for certain psychological flaws, or it may be more grand. The more selfish those means, the more they may appear to be for their own sake, but appearances are deceiving.
Scoring below average is a bit worrying, may indicate a possible problem with self-esteem? Dunno. Might be something to look into. Or may just be a silly online test. Undecided.
I scored 11 but I'm pretty sure it was a shitty test. Most of the questions my honest answer would have been "sometimes" (q7) or "depends on the situation" (q12)
I wanted another option on almost every question.
I scored 10, mainly in selfsufficiency.
Of course it is a shitty online test. Probably cooked up by a college student.
17. LOOOK AT MEEEEE.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 04:01:00 AM
You really know very little about me so you really can't say that with any authority.
I know what you've demonstrated at this board.
And for all practical purposes, that's all I NEED to know, isn't it? So I can't see the "real" you? Big fucking deal. I can see the you that posts on this board. The one I with whom I speak.
And that one is a laughably narcissistic prick.
I've been here for a little over 8 years, which come out to a bit over 3000 days. I've spent a total of 194 days logged in. That represents only 6.4% of those 3000 days. So only 6.4% of my life over the past 8 years has been represented here, and that is high-balling it when you consider that I haven't spent every minute of those 194 days posting.
So, demonstrably, you have next to squat to stand on in your assessment.
... and still we assess ... twat!
Which is fine, it's just uninformed.
thing with laughably narcissistic pricks is, people who aren't laughably narcissistic pricks tend to be able to spot them pretty quickly, without having to go through all the tedious bullshit that getting to know a laughably narcissistic prick would usually entail. It's a natural defence mechanism.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 02:45:09 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 04:01:00 AM
You really know very little about me so you really can't say that with any authority.
I know what you've demonstrated at this board.
And for all practical purposes, that's all I NEED to know, isn't it? So I can't see the "real" you? Big fucking deal. I can see the you that posts on this board. The one I with whom I speak.
And that one is a laughably narcissistic prick.
He's not really a narcissist, he just plays one on the internet.
Yeah, I hear ya. He's really that dude in Southpark with the sock puppet, innit
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Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 03:39:49 PM
I've been here for a little over 8 years, which come out to a bit over 3000 days. I've spent a total of 194 days logged in. That represents only 6.4% of those 3000 days. So only 6.4% of my life over the past 8 years has been represented here, and that is high-balling it when you consider that I haven't spent every minute of those 194 days posting.
So, demonstrably, you have next to squat to stand on in your assessment.
I don't give a fuck about the "real" RWHN. I can only base my decisions on what I see, what you SHOW us. I am not omniscient. I cannot see what else is in your squirrely little head.
So if you choose to be an ASSHOLE, that's what people are going to see you as, not matter WHAT kind of Special Flower you are inside.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 03:48:05 PM
Which is fine, it's just uninformed.
It's what I have to go on.
Let me say this again: I don't care what you are like in real life. I can only base my opinion on what
you have chosen to show us.
And the fact that you've chosen to show us an arrogant, narcissitic asshole is a pretty good indication that you are in fact an arrogant, narcissistic asshole.
Quote from: Cain on August 28, 2013, 04:19:21 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 12:26:24 PM
Of course it is a shitty online test. Probably cooked up by a college student.
Shame your expertise doesn't lead you to checking things out before making unsupported statements.
If you'd looked on the page, you'd see that it was based on the Narcissistic Personality Inventory, one of the standard diagnostic tools for testing narcissism, and that the test had been reviewd and approved by the site owner, who holds a doctorate in clinical psychology.
But I'm sure you know much more about the subject than him, right?
Well, he does have a degree in Public Policy, which means that he knows more about everything than anyone else.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 04:46:39 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 03:39:49 PM
I've been here for a little over 8 years, which come out to a bit over 3000 days. I've spent a total of 194 days logged in. That represents only 6.4% of those 3000 days. So only 6.4% of my life over the past 8 years has been represented here, and that is high-balling it when you consider that I haven't spent every minute of those 194 days posting.
So, demonstrably, you have next to squat to stand on in your assessment.
I don't give a fuck about the "real" RWHN. I can only base my decisions on what I see, what you SHOW us. I am not omniscient. I cannot see what else is in your squirrely little head.
So if you choose to be an ASSHOLE, that's what people are going to see you as, not matter WHAT kind of Special Flower you are inside.
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/05/09/what-you-do-is-who-you-are/
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 04:48:56 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 03:48:05 PM
Which is fine, it's just uninformed.
It's what I have to go on.
Let me say this again: I don't care what you are like in real life. I can only base my opinion on what you have chosen to show us.
And the fact that you've chosen to show us an arrogant, narcissitic asshole is a pretty good indication that you are in fact an arrogant, narcissistic asshole.
You are willfully and knowingly making assumptions based on a subjective interpretation of very limited information.
There is a third option, just don't judge at all.
BUT YOU'RE SO DELIGHTFULLY JUDGEABLE!!! :evil:
Of course, because I have the wrong opinions.
Not wrong, necessarily. An opinion is, by definition, neither right or wrong. Otherwise it's a fact. But some of them do come across as retarded and naive.
Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 28, 2013, 05:17:19 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 04:46:39 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 03:39:49 PM
I've been here for a little over 8 years, which come out to a bit over 3000 days. I've spent a total of 194 days logged in. That represents only 6.4% of those 3000 days. So only 6.4% of my life over the past 8 years has been represented here, and that is high-balling it when you consider that I haven't spent every minute of those 194 days posting.
So, demonstrably, you have next to squat to stand on in your assessment.
I don't give a fuck about the "real" RWHN. I can only base my decisions on what I see, what you SHOW us. I am not omniscient. I cannot see what else is in your squirrely little head.
So if you choose to be an ASSHOLE, that's what people are going to see you as, not matter WHAT kind of Special Flower you are inside.
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/05/09/what-you-do-is-who-you-are/
That article is absolutely excellent. Not just your genetics or your experiences, but what you do with them. This is why "fake it till you make it" works. Eventually it stops being faked; the actions have become genuine. Thanks for linking.
Quote from: Kai on August 28, 2013, 06:07:20 PM
Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 28, 2013, 05:17:19 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 04:46:39 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 03:39:49 PM
I've been here for a little over 8 years, which come out to a bit over 3000 days. I've spent a total of 194 days logged in. That represents only 6.4% of those 3000 days. So only 6.4% of my life over the past 8 years has been represented here, and that is high-balling it when you consider that I haven't spent every minute of those 194 days posting.
So, demonstrably, you have next to squat to stand on in your assessment.
I don't give a fuck about the "real" RWHN. I can only base my decisions on what I see, what you SHOW us. I am not omniscient. I cannot see what else is in your squirrely little head.
So if you choose to be an ASSHOLE, that's what people are going to see you as, not matter WHAT kind of Special Flower you are inside.
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/05/09/what-you-do-is-who-you-are/
That article is absolutely excellent. Not just your genetics or your experiences, but what you do with them. This is why "fake it till you make it" works. Eventually it stops being faked; the actions have become genuine. Thanks for linking.
You're welcome, it's one of my favorites. There's more floating around here somewhere, in a fairly excellent thread about redemption.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 05:36:44 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 04:48:56 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 28, 2013, 03:48:05 PM
Which is fine, it's just uninformed.
It's what I have to go on.
Let me say this again: I don't care what you are like in real life. I can only base my opinion on what you have chosen to show us.
And the fact that you've chosen to show us an arrogant, narcissitic asshole is a pretty good indication that you are in fact an arrogant, narcissistic asshole.
You are willfully and knowingly making assumptions based on a subjective interpretation of very limited information.
There is a third option, just don't judge at all.
TRANSLATION: RWHN would like to behave as he pleases toward everyone else, without being in any way accountable.
NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
I would like to, on behalf of the entirety of northern Belgium, say:
WHN is a goddamn retard and we hate him.
Thanks for ruining yet another thread, you goddamn waste of carbons.
Quote from: Waffleman on August 28, 2013, 07:37:44 PM
Thanks for ruining yet another thread, you goddamn waste of carbons.
To be perfectly honest, I have a hard time getting mad at him posting in this thread, because he's the BEST EXAMPLE POSSIBLE. It's like having Napoleon crawl out of his grave to annotate your paper on the Battle of Waterloo.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: Waffleman on August 28, 2013, 07:37:44 PM
Thanks for ruining yet another thread, you goddamn waste of carbons.
To be perfectly honest, I have a hard time getting mad at him posting in this thread, because he's the BEST EXAMPLE POSSIBLE. It's like having Napoleon crawl out of his grave to annotate your paper on the Battle of Waterloo.
:lulz:
Good point.
Still. I'd cut off his life support (alcohol) if given half the chance.
Quote from: Waffleman on August 28, 2013, 07:43:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2013, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: Waffleman on August 28, 2013, 07:37:44 PM
Thanks for ruining yet another thread, you goddamn waste of carbons.
To be perfectly honest, I have a hard time getting mad at him posting in this thread, because he's the BEST EXAMPLE POSSIBLE. It's like having Napoleon crawl out of his grave to annotate your paper on the Battle of Waterloo.
:lulz:
Good point.
Still. I'd cut off his life support (alcohol) if given half the chance.
Dependable Research* has shown that the average RWHN can survive for up to 6 years, even when deprived of alcohol, on nothing but coffee grounds and resentment.
* It's in a paper published by one of the most Highly Regarded** universities on the planet.
** Go find it yourself.
I think I'll ask Suu.
She's an industry professional, and she knows all about this stuff.
SUU? CLEAR THIS BULLSHIT UP, PLS.
11 mostly because: (http://i.qkme.me/3tl8aq.jpg)
If RWHN spends 8 hours a day sleeping and works a 40 hour week, he has had 31100 spare hours in the last eight years to split between social activities, his family, his hobbies and spent 15% of that time here.
If numbers are all that matter, we know him better than any family members who he doesn't see every day for at least one and a half hours. What percentage of time does any poor fool have to be exposed to you, RWHN, to meet your arbitrary criteria for an "informed position" on the really real you?
It doesn't particularly matter whether we interact with one another's real selves or not real selves. If a not real self acts like an asshole I'm perfectly comfortable treating that not real self as one.
Also, since we're measuring, and I do hope you read that with a wink - 5 on the Narcissist scale. I'm with Cain on finding a low result interesting.
The statements looked largely to be organized into absolute and non-absolute statements. Given those two options, I will almost always choose a non-absolute. And re-reading those last two sentences that seems to be a fairly consistent trait of mine. Shit I can't turn it off.
Eh, I don't hate Duffle, and wouldn't cut off his life support (unless that is explicitly stated in a living will). I do have beef with him, mostly due to his willful or not misinterpretation of the things I said in the Rolling Stone thread (I heartily disagree with him on other matters but it was that that riled me). I do also find his position on capital punishment supportive of the assertion that he's authoritarian.
But much in the way that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev found his way to kill relative innocents, there's a reason why Duffle is the way he is too. Maybe due to being all hopped up on the Arabica beans once maybe twice a day. But he has shown bipedalism in the past, which means he's capable of it now. He's shown it recently too, for apologizing for calling me assface after I showed concern for what I see as a premature engagement.
I still think it's premature, and will continue to do so, but I hope that despite the fact it works out for all those involved.
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 29, 2013, 02:09:00 AM
But he has shown bipedalism in the past, which means he's capable of it now.
That isn't necessarily the case.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2013, 02:33:48 AM
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 29, 2013, 02:09:00 AM
But he has shown bipedalism in the past, which means he's capable of it now.
That isn't necessarily the case.
Perhaps. But I stand by my statement that I don't hate the guy, since he is, at the end of the day, a human being, with all of his flaws and merits. We just happen to see more of his flaws than merits, especially as of late (Duffle, the fact that Hoopla made a rare post to say you're acting uncharacteristically should be an indicator. I don't even remember the last time he posted before that. Not an attack, just a pointing out.)
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 29, 2013, 02:59:18 AM
Perhaps. But I stand by my statement that I don't hate the guy, since he is, at the end of the day, a human being, with all of his flaws and merits.
That's WHY I hate him.
This thread DELIVERS. :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Oh, and 14.
I got a 3.
I gots me some 12.
I scored 43. Answering question 15 was a bit disturbing, but I had to be honest.
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 29, 2013, 03:58:16 AM
I scored 43. Answering question 15 was a bit disturbing, but I had to be honest.
FORTY-THREE? I don't think it even goes that high...
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Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 29, 2013, 06:43:03 AM
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 29, 2013, 03:58:16 AM
I scored 43. Answering question 15 was a bit disturbing, but I had to be honest.
FORTY-THREE? I don't think it even goes that high...
Dude's so into himself, he makes math cheat, clearly.
Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 29, 2013, 06:43:03 AM
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 29, 2013, 03:58:16 AM
I scored 43. Answering question 15 was a bit disturbing, but I had to be honest.
FORTY-THREE? I don't think it even goes that high...
I must have done the scoring way wrong then.
Correction, wrong link entirely.
5, with what I think is the appropriate link.
Not sure I entirely agree with that. A lot of those questions would have been better as a spectrum, rather than binary.
Got 43 on this:
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/2013/08/26/23-signs-youre-secretly-a-narcissist-masquerading-as-a-sensitive-introvert/
And 5 on this:
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm
I got a seven.
I got a three, trying to be honest but unsure whether my responses indicate what I actually believe, or what I think I should believe.
Like, one of the questions was something like "I am like most other people" vs "I am an extraordinary person."
What I assume the question implies is "am I just plain better than most people, or not?" as opposed to any other factors that might be construed as "extraordinary." I'm certainly extraordinarily privileged, which has lead to me being a different sort of person than I would be if I was born in life circumstances that are closer to the median. But in terms of my moral worth as a human being, I don't think I'm extraordinary.
I got a 4 on that one but I don't feel good about it at all. I did my best to avoid choosing the "right" answer (which was way too obvious every time), but there were a lot where I felt really ambivalent about the options given. Like, for the ruling the world one, I would be insanely scared of the prospect, but at the same time it is a thing I have honestly wanted more than once because goddamn I couldn't do any worse than whoever's wrecking shit now.
I got 13.
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on August 29, 2013, 02:11:31 PM
I got a 4 on that one but I don't feel good about it at all. I did my best to avoid choosing the "right" answer (which was way too obvious every time), but there were a lot where I felt really ambivalent about the options given. Like, for the ruling the world one, I would be insanely scared of the prospect, but at the same time it is a thing I have honestly wanted more than once because goddamn I couldn't do any worse than whoever's wrecking shit now.
My sentiments exactly. Struck me as a whole bunch of either/or questions where my honest answer to most was "yes"
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 02:11:50 PM
I got 13.
So for those scoring at home; TGRR, LMNO, Stella, and something-or-other bear are all MORE narcissistic than me according to this scoring tool that has already been declared in this thread as a valid tool.
There's something else that's already been declared a tool...
Anticipated deflection was anticipated.
The thing is, there is a difference between someone who is very confident and aware of who they are and this SGiTR concept you are talking about.
For the longest time as an adolescent and young adult, I had a pretty significant lack of confidence in who I was. Weirdo, skinny nerd, outcast, whatever. As I've aged, become a Dad and developed this career, I've become a lot more comfortable in my skin and I am at a place now where I'm pretty okay with how I've turned out. All I've wanted to do with this life is have a family and help others. I am a pretty smart guy, I have a good brain. Which is good because I definitely don't have the skills to be an athlete, or really anything that involves fine motor skills or brawn. So all I have is my mind. Others see this as an asset and come to me. But they go to others as well. I don't pretend to think I'm THE guy in what I do, I'm one of them. There are people with way more experience who I will and do always defer to.
And I think most of you are similar in your worlds and careers. I have no doubts that LMNO is viewed as a very talented and skilled asset where he works. The promotions and extra responsibilites speak to that. I'm sure he has people coming to him all the time lookong for his wisdom. Same with TGRR, Hoops, Kai, etc., etc., I think it is good to acknowledge and give yourself credit for your skills, talents, and gifts. There is nothing wrong with that. We deserve to feel good about ourselves and be a little cocky now and again.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 04:33:15 PM
Anticipated deflection was anticipated.
Why are you still here? What do you get out of this? Masochism? Trolling? I don't understand.
But I wish you would resolve it.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 04:44:50 PM
The thing is, there is a difference between someone who is very confident and aware of who they are and this SGiTR concept you are talking about.
For the longest time as an adolescent and young adult, I had a pretty significant lack of confidence in who I was. Weirdo, skinny nerd, outcast, whatever. As I've aged, become a Dad and developed this career, I've become a lot more comfortable in my skin and I am at a place now where I'm pretty okay with how I've turned out. All I've wanted to do with this life is have a family and help others. I am a pretty smart guy, I have a good brain. Which is good because I definitely don't have the skills to be an athlete, or really anything that involves fine motor skills or brawn. So all I have is my mind. Others see this as an asset and come to me. But they go to others as well. I don't pretend to think I'm THE guy in what I do, I'm one of them. There are people with way more experience who I will and do always defer to.
And I think most of you are similar in your worlds and careers. I have no doubts that LMNO is viewed as a very talented and skilled asset where he works. The promotions and extra responsibilites speak to that. I'm sure he has people coming to him all the time lookong for his wisdom. Same with TGRR, Hoops, Kai, etc., etc., I think it is good to acknowledge and give yourself credit for your skills, talents, and gifts. There is nothing wrong with that. We deserve to feel good about ourselves and be a little cocky now and again.
There's a line. If one crosses it one becomes the guy whom the OP is on about. The fact that you have no concept of this speaks volumes.
That is acknowledged in the very first sentence.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 04:12:39 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 02:11:50 PM
I got 13.
So for those scoring at home; TGRR, LMNO, Stella, and something-or-other bear are all MORE narcissistic than me according to this scoring tool that has already been declared in this thread as a valid tool.
We also don't kill children.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 04:12:39 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 02:11:50 PM
I got 13.
So for those scoring at home; TGRR, LMNO, Stella, and something-or-other bear are all MORE narcissistic than me according to this scoring tool that has already been declared in this thread as a valid tool.
He has a point.
CAN THIS THREAD BE ABOUT
ME NOW!?
Quote from: Reverend What's His Bear on August 29, 2013, 05:13:59 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 04:12:39 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 02:11:50 PM
I got 13.
So for those scoring at home; TGRR, LMNO, Stella, and something-or-other bear are all MORE narcissistic than me according to this scoring tool that has already been declared in this thread as a valid tool.
We also don't kill children.
Neither do I.
HEY! MORE POSTS ABOUT ME, PLEASE.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 29, 2013, 05:27:43 PM
HEY! MORE POSTS ABOUT ME, PLEASE.
LMNO IS THE MOST NARCISSISTIC FUCK ON PEEDEE. HIS GAY COWBOY ANTICS ARE WELL DOCUMENTED, AND HE EVEN DEVELOPED HIS OWN CATCH PHRASE COMPLETE WITH EMOTE JUST SO MORE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO HIM. HE HAS BECOME SO SELF-ABSORBED IN HIS OWN FABULOUSNESS THAT ALL OF SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND IS IN IMMINENT DANGER OF COLLAPSING INTO A SMUG-HOLE.
LMNO IS JUST ABOUT THE ONLY THING HOLDING ME TOGETHER.
LMNO RUINED MY LIFE.
I CAN'T STOP ALPHABATIZING.
THAT'S MORE LIKE IT.
LMNO DOESN'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE ATTENTION. HE WOULD BE JUST AS HAPPY IF YOU SHOWED UP AT HIS HOUSE AND PISSED DIRECTLY ON HIS FACE OR WROTE A BOOK OF SONNETS ABOUT HIM, AS LONG AS HE KNOWS YOU CARED ENOUGH TO DO SOMETHING.
I'D PREFER IF YOU DID BOTH, TO BE HONEST.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 04:12:39 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 02:11:50 PM
I got 13.
So for those scoring at home; TGRR, LMNO, Stella, and something-or-other bear are all MORE narcissistic than me according to this scoring tool that has already been declared in this thread as a valid tool.
I don't believe you're capable of answering the questions honestly.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2013, 06:17:52 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 04:12:39 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 02:11:50 PM
I got 13.
So for those scoring at home; TGRR, LMNO, Stella, and something-or-other bear are all MORE narcissistic than me according to this scoring tool that has already been declared in this thread as a valid tool.
:lulz:
I don't believe you're capable of answering the questions honestly.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2013, 06:17:52 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 04:12:39 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 02:11:50 PM
I got 13.
So for those scoring at home; TGRR, LMNO, Stella, and something-or-other bear are all MORE narcissistic than me according to this scoring tool that has already been declared in this thread as a valid tool.
I don't believe you're capable of answering the questions honestly.
Well of course you don't, because you have a predetermined outcome.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 06:21:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2013, 06:17:52 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 04:12:39 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 02:11:50 PM
I got 13.
So for those scoring at home; TGRR, LMNO, Stella, and something-or-other bear are all MORE narcissistic than me according to this scoring tool that has already been declared in this thread as a valid tool.
I don't believe you're capable of answering the questions honestly.
Well of course you don't, because you have a predetermined outcome.
I'm just judging things based on your "arrogance/I get things done" outburst a few weeks back.
I do get things done.
So do you consider yourself a slacker? Someone who doesn't get things done?
Of course not. And you scored higher than I did although we are both still average.
And this board, as had been pointed out many times over its lifespan, is full of cocky, arrogant assholes.
The difference, IMO, is I have opinions that differ from everyone else.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 06:34:01 PM
I do get things done.
So do you consider yourself a slacker? Someone who doesn't get things done?
Of course not. And you scored higher than I did although we are both still average.
And this board, as had been pointed out many times over its lifespan, is full of cocky, arrogant assholes.
The difference, IMO, is I have opinions that differ from everyone else.
:lulz:
You know I am right which is why you won't even bother to discuss and instead deflect with an emote.
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 06:35:30 PM
You know I am right which is why you won't even bother to discuss and instead deflect with an emote.
:lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2013, 06:37:13 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 06:35:30 PM
You know I am right retarded which is why you won't even bother to discuss and instead deflect with an emote.
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Quote from: Junkenstein on August 29, 2013, 06:41:38 PM
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Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 06:35:30 PM
You know I am right retarded which is why you won't even bother to discuss and instead deflect with an emote.
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Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 29, 2013, 07:30:54 AM
Got 43 on this:
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/2013/08/26/23-signs-youre-secretly-a-narcissist-masquerading-as-a-sensitive-introvert/
And 5 on this:
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm
I got an 84 on the first link and a 1 on the second. What does that make me? Since it seems to be two opposite results?
Quote from: Sita on August 29, 2013, 06:48:14 PM
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 29, 2013, 07:30:54 AM
Got 43 on this:
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/2013/08/26/23-signs-youre-secretly-a-narcissist-masquerading-as-a-sensitive-introvert/
And 5 on this:
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm
I got an 84 on the first link and a 1 on the second. What does that make me? Since it seems to be two opposite results?
The first scale was designed to catch the people who are narcissistic but introverted, the covert narcissist. The second scale is designed for identifying the more recognizable extraverted narcissist.
So what it means is, you might want to start reading about narcissism, particularly covert narcissism. The good news is that, unlike some personality disorders, a motivated narcissist can actually change their maladaptive narcissistic behaviors and attitudes to some degree.
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 29, 2013, 07:30:54 AM
Got 43 on this:
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/2013/08/26/23-signs-youre-secretly-a-narcissist-masquerading-as-a-sensitive-introvert/
And 5 on this:
http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm
Keep in mind that the "normal" range of scores is also an indicator of healthy self-esteem. Below the normal range = possibly some self-esteem issues, above the normal range = possibly some self-esteem issues at the other end of the spectrum. Think of it as being kind of like BMI: both too low and too high is unhealthy. Not that these tests are a be-all-end-all, they're just a general screening test that *might* be indicative of issues.
wound up at 59 for the covert one, for some reason it made me way more anxious than the other.
Is covert the same as closet?
Because I found this bit about closet narcissism:
QuoteThe closet narcissist is more likely to be described as having a deflated, inadequate self-perception and greater awareness of emptiness within.
But always thought that description was always for someone with low self-esteem (something I've been told I have for most my life)
Definitely will read more.
I got, like, a 50something, or whatever.
I'm not going to let some stupid test tell me who I am.
*chest thump*
Rawr.
Quote from: Sita on August 29, 2013, 07:30:24 PM
Is covert the same as closet?
Because I found this bit about closet narcissism:
QuoteThe closet narcissist is more likely to be described as having a deflated, inadequate self-perception and greater awareness of emptiness within.
But always thought that description was always for someone with low self-esteem (something I've been told I have for most my life)
Definitely will read more.
Probably.
I think the difference may be whether you get wholly absorbed in thinking about yourself, whether it's in positive terms like a typical narcissist or highly negative ones?
I got thrown by the wholly absorbed bit. What does that mean?
I tend to hyperfocus no matter what I'm doing.
I try to make sure that I act generally in the best interest of others, or myself, whichever one is more critical to overall well being for everyone involved. Other than that I just make sure people don't eat me.
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Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 06:35:30 PM
You know I am right retarded which is why you won't even bother to discuss and instead deflect with an emote.
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Also, the irony given the topic of the thread.
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Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 06:35:30 PM
You know I am right retarded which is why you won't even bother to discuss and instead deflect with an emote.
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Also, the irony given the topic of the thread.
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Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 06:35:30 PM
You know I am right retarded which is why you won't even bother to discuss and instead deflect with an emote.
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Also, the irony given the topic of the thread.
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Quote from: Reverend What's His Bear on August 29, 2013, 06:42:27 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on August 29, 2013, 06:41:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2013, 06:37:13 PM
Quote from: NEVER FEAR LOVE! on August 29, 2013, 06:35:30 PM
You know I am right retarded which is why you won't even bother to discuss and instead deflect with an emote.
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(http://allitera.tive.org/images/1061698190_q_jester.gif)
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Also, the irony given the topic of the thread.
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