Cultural appropriation abounds here in Murrica.
It's what we do. It seems the internet is binding people together to become aware of this and combat it. I certainly wasn't aware of the term cultural appropriation until this board started talking about it recently.
One of those worst offenders in our culture, IMO and perspective, is yoga.
Oms get plasted anywhere handy, a multifaceted, secular path to self knowledge and self development is turned into soccer mom vacation and social battle ground, and whole yards of yoga is lost and forgotten in another attempt to be as skinny and fit as Murrica wants you to be.
Want to see just how bad it is?
Become a yoga teacher. Go ahead, what's stopping you?
Oh that's right, nothing. Nothing is stopping you from teaching yoga.
There are plenty of them, and mostly affordable. Just make sure it's approved by the Yoga Alliance.
You can check to see if a yoga instructor is Yoga Alliance approved pretty easily. Then you know what you've got. Except, what have you got? What does the Yoga Alliance do?
They do nothing, well, except approve Yoga teachers. What about afterward? Is there some kind of follow up? Continuing education? Inspections? Investigations into alleged misconduct?
Ha ha ha.
No such luck. No, just like the National Board for Certified Massage Blah blah blah, there IS not actual oversight. The latter has continuing education credits, a quick search for "massage continuing education credits" shows up shit like
Canine Massage and Energy Work
10 CE
$120
And what about that follow up? Nope.
So basically, these organizations are bullshit. Will they eventually attain some measure of power over the people they'd probably enjoy having power over?
Right at this moment you can sign up for CorePower Yoga's Online courses and, for $500, become certified to teach CorePower Yoga. This is seen, often as the Starbucks of Yoga. OR you can just make up a fancy plaque, get some liability insurance and a waiver and GET TO WORK.
I'm weighing my options. :lulz:
But, Alty, The People want their Woo!
I just want the yoga pance, so my ankles will balloon up when I fart.
But I do have to wonder, how WOULD you police yoga? This shit was hilarious when it was last fashionable, back in the 70s (even as a kid, I couldn't stop laughing), and it's hilarious now.
Mind you, I'm not laughing at the guy in India who does it as an expression of religion. I'm laughing at the same people you are, but for a different reason.
I did a yoga class in SEGUIN for awhile.
They just gutted all the Hinduism out of it and made it stretches and asanas. It was a thing you did before you hit the weights or the Zumba class or whatever.
My aunt qualified as a yoga instructor. I'm not sure on the process, but it wasn't quick, or cheap, and the fact she is the one healthy person in a family full of fatasses kind of leads me to believe there's some sort of benefit and not all yoga is bull.
Which in no way invalidates your point that there's a lot of frauds. I just felt compelled to speak up.
Quote from: Demolition Squid on October 29, 2013, 08:32:28 PM
My aunt qualified as a yoga instructor. I'm not sure on the process, but it wasn't quick, or cheap, and the fact she is the one healthy person in a family full of fatasses kind of leads me to believe there's some sort of benefit and not all yoga is bull.
Which in no way invalidates your point that there's a lot of frauds. I just felt compelled to speak up.
I am 169% certain that there is some good reason for yoga.
But that reason isn't to add a splash of color to the bleak existence of people who are too damned dense to see that LIFE CAN'T BE BORING unless you DECIDE that it is.
Right, and that's what it's become.
The whole yoga of breathing is lost, which is what makes the rest of it so effective.
And then there's the bringing down of the word itself. It means ONE thing to Americans, by and large, when there are many, many yogas.
Quote from: Demolition Squid on October 29, 2013, 08:32:28 PM
My aunt qualified as a yoga instructor. I'm not sure on the process, but it wasn't quick, or cheap, and the fact she is the one healthy person in a family full of fatasses kind of leads me to believe there's some sort of benefit and not all yoga is bull.
Which in no way invalidates your point that there's a lot of frauds. I just felt compelled to speak up.
I think it does really depend where you live, and what you put yourself through. But there are easy paths.
I know yoga isn't all bullshit.
The idea that is bullshit comes right back to cultural problems.
You see, most newage fiddle faddle comes from Yoga. The term New Age itself came from a publishing company back in the 60's or 70's. The entire newage movement is predicated on being fed snake oil. And many of the collective claims of newagers are just pilfered, just in the way shamanism has been pilfered.
And, as with shamanism, there is some point, some benefit, larger than what we in the civilized world make of it. Or different than we make it anyway. We cheapen these things.
And THEN we have the nerve to sneer at those with "less substantial training". The god damned world is run by snake oil salesman.
Yoga has been shown, in one instance, to be as effective in relieving backpain as physical therapy.
That study was sure the mention the yoga instructor has 200 hours YA training.
:lulz:
Yoga Alliance.
Alliance against WHOM? :lulz:
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:45:14 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:41:52 PM
Yoga Alliance.
Alliance against WHOM? :lulz:
The unwashed?
No, I think it's the Pilates geeks. Everyone hates those bastards. :argh!:
Yoga, Feng Shooey, and the Tai Chi thugs. Allied against the people with the huge balls.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:46:21 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:45:14 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:41:52 PM
Yoga Alliance.
Alliance against WHOM? :lulz:
The unwashed?
No, I think it's the Pilates geeks. Everyone hates those bastards. :argh!:
Yoga, Feng Shooey, and the Tai Chi thugs. Allied against the people with the huge balls.
And TANNING (http://cobalt.daktel.com/~odins/). Don't forget tanning. :horrormirth:
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 29, 2013, 08:50:13 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:46:21 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:45:14 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:41:52 PM
Yoga Alliance.
Alliance against WHOM? :lulz:
The unwashed?
No, I think it's the Pilates geeks. Everyone hates those bastards. :argh!:
Yoga, Feng Shooey, and the Tai Chi thugs. Allied against the people with the huge balls.
And TANNING (http://cobalt.daktel.com/~odins/). Don't forget tanning. :horrormirth:
Which side are they on?
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:50:39 PM
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 29, 2013, 08:50:13 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:46:21 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:45:14 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:41:52 PM
Yoga Alliance.
Alliance against WHOM? :lulz:
The unwashed?
No, I think it's the Pilates geeks. Everyone hates those bastards. :argh!:
Yoga, Feng Shooey, and the Tai Chi thugs. Allied against the people with the huge balls.
And TANNING (http://cobalt.daktel.com/~odins/). Don't forget tanning. :horrormirth:
Which side are they on?
Not sure. The site just shows treadmills and weights.
I think they hit you with the NEW AGE after they get your credit card number.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:50:39 PM
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 29, 2013, 08:50:13 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:46:21 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:45:14 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:41:52 PM
Yoga Alliance.
Alliance against WHOM? :lulz:
The unwashed?
No, I think it's the Pilates geeks. Everyone hates those bastards. :argh!:
Yoga, Feng Shooey, and the Tai Chi thugs. Allied against the people with the huge balls.
And TANNING (http://cobalt.daktel.com/~odins/). Don't forget tanning. :horrormirth:
Which side are they on?
The Sun's
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:53:22 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:50:39 PM
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 29, 2013, 08:50:13 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:46:21 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:45:14 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:41:52 PM
Yoga Alliance.
Alliance against WHOM? :lulz:
The unwashed?
No, I think it's the Pilates geeks. Everyone hates those bastards. :argh!:
Yoga, Feng Shooey, and the Tai Chi thugs. Allied against the people with the huge balls.
And TANNING (http://cobalt.daktel.com/~odins/). Don't forget tanning. :horrormirth:
Which side are they on?
The Sun's
No, I think they shun the sun and use tanning beds. The sun is awfully inconvenient. It's not even THERE half the damn time.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:54:18 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:53:22 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:50:39 PM
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on October 29, 2013, 08:50:13 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:46:21 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:45:14 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:41:52 PM
Yoga Alliance.
Alliance against WHOM? :lulz:
The unwashed?
No, I think it's the Pilates geeks. Everyone hates those bastards. :argh!:
Yoga, Feng Shooey, and the Tai Chi thugs. Allied against the people with the huge balls.
And TANNING (http://cobalt.daktel.com/~odins/). Don't forget tanning. :horrormirth:
Which side are they on?
The Sun's
No, I think they shun the sun and use tanning beds. The sun is awfully inconvenient. It's not even THERE half the damn time.
And when it's there, it's free. Therefore, it gives you CANCER and you need a TANNING BED.
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
(There is a bar on the other side of the mountains that serves chili out of a crockpot.)
I can feel the Holiness™ building.
November is going to be great, here or elsewhere. :lulz:
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 30, 2013, 03:22:02 AM
I can feel the Holiness™ building.
November is going to be great, here or elsewhere. :lulz:
I think you're very, very right. It's starting to leak out of the corners.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 04:22:47 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 30, 2013, 03:22:02 AM
I can feel the Holiness™ building.
November is going to be great, here or elsewhere. :lulz:
I think you're very, very right. It's starting to leak out of the corners.
Indeed, I love it when the bodies start to stack-up, smells like Christmas already :lulz:
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 03:14:12 AM
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
I feel like punching a mountain and drinking chili.
I don't mind if people YOGA... its some kind of exercise and Eris Knows that most Americans should get some kind of exercise whenever they can. I don't care that its kinda ripped off from Hindu and is now used by Soccer Moms.
What really makes my Inner Screaming Squirrel Twerk is when the Newage, Hippy Bullshitters ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE AMERICAN STRETCHING EXERCISE YOGA is somehow SPIRITUAL.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 03:14:12 AM
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
What's all this about naked lady parties, now?
Quote from: Mr. Bear on October 30, 2013, 07:31:14 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 03:14:12 AM
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
I feel like punching a mountain and drinking chili.
It's a great way to start your day!
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 03:14:12 AM
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
What's all this about naked lady parties, now?
It's a thing that women do that is supposed to be enjoyable, where everyone brings their discarded clothes and some wine, then strip down and start trying other people's clothes on while getting drunk.
I loathe them, it's like my own personal hell.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:08:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 03:14:12 AM
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
What's all this about naked lady parties, now?
It's a thing that women do that is supposed to be enjoyable, where everyone brings their discarded clothes and some wine, then strip down and start trying other people's clothes on while getting drunk.
I loathe them, it's like my own personal hell.
And this is what happens when Americans don't culturally appropriate. I mean, it seems better to just swipe something interesting, rather than invent something really lame like that :D
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:08:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 03:14:12 AM
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
What's all this about naked lady parties, now?
It's a thing that women do that is supposed to be enjoyable, where everyone brings their discarded clothes and some wine, then strip down and start trying other people's clothes on while getting drunk.
I loathe them, it's like my own personal hell.
That is
exceedingly less interesting than I was imagining.
Also, i have a feeling this is limited to the PNW. I have a hard time picturing New Englanders doing this.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:08:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 03:14:12 AM
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
What's all this about naked lady parties, now?
It's a thing that women do that is supposed to be enjoyable, where everyone brings their discarded clothes and some wine, then strip down and start trying other people's clothes on while getting drunk.
I loathe them, it's like my own personal hell.
That is exceedingly less interesting than I was imagining.
Also, i have a feeling this is limited to the PNW. I have a hard time picturing New Englanders doing this.
I could see Ohioans doing it, but then I'd have to burn my eyes out once I saw it.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:08:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 03:14:12 AM
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
What's all this about naked lady parties, now?
It's a thing that women do that is supposed to be enjoyable, where everyone brings their discarded clothes and some wine, then strip down and start trying other people's clothes on while getting drunk.
I loathe them, it's like my own personal hell.
That is exceedingly less interesting than I was imagining.
Also, i have a feeling this is limited to the PNW. I have a hard time picturing New Englanders doing this.
Yeah, I could see it being a local thing.
Bitches act so HURT when I decline their invitations, too, but seriously, I hate clothes shopping, I hate trying clothes on, it feels like being sandpapered to death and doing it in a room full of drunk women in their underwear while they pressure me to take home clothes I don't really want is just horrible. Horrible.
I should invent a certification process for it and make a million dollars.
CERTIFIED! Naked Lady Hostess™.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:46:21 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:45:14 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 29, 2013, 08:41:52 PM
Yoga Alliance.
Alliance against WHOM? :lulz:
The unwashed?
No, I think it's the Pilates geeks. Everyone hates those bastards. :argh!:
Yoga, Feng Shooey, and the Tai Chi thugs. Allied against the people with the huge balls.
As a member of the Tai Chi Independents, I take offense to your implication that I am aligned with such quackery!
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
Cultural appropriation abounds here in Murrica.
Possibly off topic, but cultural appropriation is a concept I struggle with a lot. On one hand, I totally get it. Whitey has robbed the world of everything and used it as their own since time immemorial... but on the other hand, I share the same sun as everyone else on this planet. We stare up at the same moon at night. When the asteroid hits, we all fly into space together. How could I possibly not be part of their culture?
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Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
Cultural appropriation abounds here in Murrica.
Possibly off topic, but cultural appropriation is a concept I struggle with a lot. On one hand, I totally get it. Whitey has robbed the world of everything and used it as their own since time immemorial... but on the other hand, I share the same sun as everyone else on this planet. We stare up at the same moon at night. When the asteroid hits, we all fly into space together. How could I possibly not be part of their culture?
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Ideas spread for a reason
For example penicillin, industrial methods, surgical procedures, transport and traffic flow layout, Electricity supply best practices, refrigeration methods, construction methods and pretty much everything you passively or actively interact with per day, came from or were improved upon by other cultures.
The reason those ideas spread is because they were mostly RIGHT. Yoga is a TOOL not a ceremonial practice. If I wanted the best tool to limber, and reduce stress I would go to Yoga.
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
Cultural appropriation abounds here in Murrica.
Possibly off topic, but cultural appropriation is a concept I struggle with a lot. On one hand, I totally get it. Whitey has robbed the world of everything and used it as their own since time immemorial... but on the other hand, I share the same sun as everyone else on this planet. We stare up at the same moon at night. When the asteroid hits, we all fly into space together. How could I possibly not be part of their culture?
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Also, it's fucking yoga. It's supposed to be for everyone. Even white people.
There are some kind of icky implications when you accuse Americans, in general, of cultural appropriation, too; it implies that Indian and Middle Eastern and Asian and Black and Native and so on Americans aren't really Americans.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:47:44 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
Cultural appropriation abounds here in Murrica.
Possibly off topic, but cultural appropriation is a concept I struggle with a lot. On one hand, I totally get it. Whitey has robbed the world of everything and used it as their own since time immemorial... but on the other hand, I share the same sun as everyone else on this planet. We stare up at the same moon at night. When the asteroid hits, we all fly into space together. How could I possibly not be part of their culture?
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Also, it's fucking yoga. It's supposed to be for everyone. Even white people.
There are some kind of icky implications when you accuse Americans, in general, of cultural appropriation, too; it implies that Indian and Middle Eastern and Asian and Black and Native and so on Americans aren't really Americans.
That's a point I hadn't even considered.
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
Cultural appropriation abounds here in Murrica.
Possibly off topic, but cultural appropriation is a concept I struggle with a lot. On one hand, I totally get it. Whitey has robbed the world of everything and used it as their own since time immemorial... but on the other hand, I share the same sun as everyone else on this planet. We stare up at the same moon at night. When the asteroid hits, we all fly into space together. How could I possibly not be part of their culture?
[/threadjack]
Ideas spread for a reason
For example penicillin, industrial methods, surgical procedures, transport and traffic flow layout, Electricity supply best practices, refrigeration methods, construction methods and pretty much everything you passively or actively interact with per day, came from or were improved upon by other cultures.
The reason those ideas spread is because they were mostly RIGHT. Yoga is a TOOL not a ceremonial practice. If I wanted the best tool to limber, and reduce stress I would go to Yoga.
There is also a huge difference between appropriating a cultural element that is a ceremony for a specific people, and adapting a cultural element that is just a thing for people in general. For example, non-Jews having a Bar Mitzvah because they think it's "neat" would be appropriation, but making matzoh ball soup is not and it would be silly to say it is.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
Cultural appropriation abounds here in Murrica.
Possibly off topic, but cultural appropriation is a concept I struggle with a lot. On one hand, I totally get it. Whitey has robbed the world of everything and used it as their own since time immemorial... but on the other hand, I share the same sun as everyone else on this planet. We stare up at the same moon at night. When the asteroid hits, we all fly into space together. How could I possibly not be part of their culture?
[/threadjack]
Ideas spread for a reason
For example penicillin, industrial methods, surgical procedures, transport and traffic flow layout, Electricity supply best practices, refrigeration methods, construction methods and pretty much everything you passively or actively interact with per day, came from or were improved upon by other cultures.
The reason those ideas spread is because they were mostly RIGHT. Yoga is a TOOL not a ceremonial practice. If I wanted the best tool to limber, and reduce stress I would go to Yoga.
There is also a huge difference between appropriating a cultural element that is a ceremony for a specific people, and adapting a cultural element that is just a thing for people in general. For example, non-Jews having a Bar Mitzvah because they think it's "neat" would be appropriation, but making matzoh ball soup is not and it would be silly to say it is.
Exactly. Now, I can see some legit Hindus getting a bit ticked off is Random Newage Hippie White Guy passes himself off as a Guru... but Yoga as exercise doesn't really seem all that bad to me.
In the end, I think its a bit like remixing, mashups and collages. Taking inspiration or making use of valuable ideas is great, as long as you don't make claims that go beyond that point.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
Cultural appropriation abounds here in Murrica.
Possibly off topic, but cultural appropriation is a concept I struggle with a lot. On one hand, I totally get it. Whitey has robbed the world of everything and used it as their own since time immemorial... but on the other hand, I share the same sun as everyone else on this planet. We stare up at the same moon at night. When the asteroid hits, we all fly into space together. How could I possibly not be part of their culture?
[/threadjack]
Ideas spread for a reason
For example penicillin, industrial methods, surgical procedures, transport and traffic flow layout, Electricity supply best practices, refrigeration methods, construction methods and pretty much everything you passively or actively interact with per day, came from or were improved upon by other cultures.
The reason those ideas spread is because they were mostly RIGHT. Yoga is a TOOL not a ceremonial practice. If I wanted the best tool to limber, and reduce stress I would go to Yoga.
There is also a huge difference between appropriating a cultural element that is a ceremony for a specific people, and adapting a cultural element that is just a thing for people in general. For example, non-Jews having a Bar Mitzvah because they think it's "neat" would be appropriation, but making matzoh ball soup is not and it would be silly to say it is.
See that makes sense but the distinction that seems so peculiar to me is that it's cultural appropriation only if the act taken serves no practical value.
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:55:49 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
Cultural appropriation abounds here in Murrica.
Possibly off topic, but cultural appropriation is a concept I struggle with a lot. On one hand, I totally get it. Whitey has robbed the world of everything and used it as their own since time immemorial... but on the other hand, I share the same sun as everyone else on this planet. We stare up at the same moon at night. When the asteroid hits, we all fly into space together. How could I possibly not be part of their culture?
[/threadjack]
Ideas spread for a reason
For example penicillin, industrial methods, surgical procedures, transport and traffic flow layout, Electricity supply best practices, refrigeration methods, construction methods and pretty much everything you passively or actively interact with per day, came from or were improved upon by other cultures.
The reason those ideas spread is because they were mostly RIGHT. Yoga is a TOOL not a ceremonial practice. If I wanted the best tool to limber, and reduce stress I would go to Yoga.
There is also a huge difference between appropriating a cultural element that is a ceremony for a specific people, and adapting a cultural element that is just a thing for people in general. For example, non-Jews having a Bar Mitzvah because they think it's "neat" would be appropriation, but making matzoh ball soup is not and it would be silly to say it is.
See that makes sense but the distinction that seems so peculiar to me is that it's cultural appropriation only if the act taken serves no practical value.
That's the ceremony part.
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:55:49 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
Cultural appropriation abounds here in Murrica.
Possibly off topic, but cultural appropriation is a concept I struggle with a lot. On one hand, I totally get it. Whitey has robbed the world of everything and used it as their own since time immemorial... but on the other hand, I share the same sun as everyone else on this planet. We stare up at the same moon at night. When the asteroid hits, we all fly into space together. How could I possibly not be part of their culture?
[/threadjack]
Ideas spread for a reason
For example penicillin, industrial methods, surgical procedures, transport and traffic flow layout, Electricity supply best practices, refrigeration methods, construction methods and pretty much everything you passively or actively interact with per day, came from or were improved upon by other cultures.
The reason those ideas spread is because they were mostly RIGHT. Yoga is a TOOL not a ceremonial practice. If I wanted the best tool to limber, and reduce stress I would go to Yoga.
There is also a huge difference between appropriating a cultural element that is a ceremony for a specific people, and adapting a cultural element that is just a thing for people in general. For example, non-Jews having a Bar Mitzvah because they think it's "neat" would be appropriation, but making matzoh ball soup is not and it would be silly to say it is.
See that makes sense but the distinction that seems so peculiar to me is that it's cultural appropriation only if the act taken serves no practical value.
For me, I'd say that the cultural appropriation is really about taking something 'sacred' (for lack of a better term) and claiming that thing wholesale. I mean, sweating in a tent with some steam and peyote is good fun for everyone... just don't call it a Authentic Native American Sweat Lodge if you're a non-native and have no clue what the context was in their culture.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 30, 2013, 12:58:46 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:55:49 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
Cultural appropriation abounds here in Murrica.
Possibly off topic, but cultural appropriation is a concept I struggle with a lot. On one hand, I totally get it. Whitey has robbed the world of everything and used it as their own since time immemorial... but on the other hand, I share the same sun as everyone else on this planet. We stare up at the same moon at night. When the asteroid hits, we all fly into space together. How could I possibly not be part of their culture?
[/threadjack]
Ideas spread for a reason
For example penicillin, industrial methods, surgical procedures, transport and traffic flow layout, Electricity supply best practices, refrigeration methods, construction methods and pretty much everything you passively or actively interact with per day, came from or were improved upon by other cultures.
The reason those ideas spread is because they were mostly RIGHT. Yoga is a TOOL not a ceremonial practice. If I wanted the best tool to limber, and reduce stress I would go to Yoga.
There is also a huge difference between appropriating a cultural element that is a ceremony for a specific people, and adapting a cultural element that is just a thing for people in general. For example, non-Jews having a Bar Mitzvah because they think it's "neat" would be appropriation, but making matzoh ball soup is not and it would be silly to say it is.
See that makes sense but the distinction that seems so peculiar to me is that it's cultural appropriation only if the act taken serves no practical value.
For me, I'd say that the cultural appropriation is really about taking something 'sacred' (for lack of a better term) and claiming that thing wholesale. I mean, sweating in a tent with some steam and peyote is good fun for everyone... just don't call it a Authentic Native American Sweat Lodge if you're a non-native and have no clue what the context was is in their culture.
FTFY
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
Cultural appropriation abounds here in Murrica.
Possibly off topic, but cultural appropriation is a concept I struggle with a lot. On one hand, I totally get it. Whitey has robbed the world of everything and used it as their own since time immemorial... but on the other hand, I share the same sun as everyone else on this planet. We stare up at the same moon at night. When the asteroid hits, we all fly into space together. How could I possibly not be part of their culture?
[/threadjack]
Ideas spread for a reason
For example penicillin, industrial methods, surgical procedures, transport and traffic flow layout, Electricity supply best practices, refrigeration methods, construction methods and pretty much everything you passively or actively interact with per day, came from or were improved upon by other cultures.
The reason those ideas spread is because they were mostly RIGHT. Yoga is a TOOL not a ceremonial practice. If I wanted the best tool to limber, and reduce stress I would go to Yoga.
There is also a huge difference between appropriating a cultural element that is a ceremony for a specific people, and adapting a cultural element that is just a thing for people in general. For example, non-Jews having a Bar Mitzvah because they think it's "neat" would be appropriation, but making matzoh ball soup is not and it would be silly to say it is.
What if they sincerely think the ceremony has value for a boy/man of that age? Is that different than if they just thought it was "neat"?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:08:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 03:14:12 AM
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
What's all this about naked lady parties, now?
It's a thing that women do that is supposed to be enjoyable, where everyone brings their discarded clothes and some wine, then strip down and start trying other people's clothes on while getting drunk.
I loathe them, it's like my own personal hell.
That is exceedingly less interesting than I was imagining.
Also, i have a feeling this is limited to the PNW. I have a hard time picturing New Englanders doing this.
As a New England lady I support this statement 100%
We are terrified of being nude unless there's a shower or fucking involved.
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 01:03:29 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
Cultural appropriation abounds here in Murrica.
Possibly off topic, but cultural appropriation is a concept I struggle with a lot. On one hand, I totally get it. Whitey has robbed the world of everything and used it as their own since time immemorial... but on the other hand, I share the same sun as everyone else on this planet. We stare up at the same moon at night. When the asteroid hits, we all fly into space together. How could I possibly not be part of their culture?
[/threadjack]
Ideas spread for a reason
For example penicillin, industrial methods, surgical procedures, transport and traffic flow layout, Electricity supply best practices, refrigeration methods, construction methods and pretty much everything you passively or actively interact with per day, came from or were improved upon by other cultures.
The reason those ideas spread is because they were mostly RIGHT. Yoga is a TOOL not a ceremonial practice. If I wanted the best tool to limber, and reduce stress I would go to Yoga.
There is also a huge difference between appropriating a cultural element that is a ceremony for a specific people, and adapting a cultural element that is just a thing for people in general. For example, non-Jews having a Bar Mitzvah because they think it's "neat" would be appropriation, but making matzoh ball soup is not and it would be silly to say it is.
What if they sincerely think the ceremony has value for a boy/man of that age? Is that different than if they just thought it was "neat"?
It has no cultural context for them. It's not FOR them. If they want to have a ceremony of some kind, that's one thing... heck, if they can find a rabbi who is willing to do it, there's the seal of approval right there. But if the rabbi says no, what then? Do they make it up? That's basically what happens with most Native American religious ceremonies that non-Natives perform. It's a brittle, offensive mockery, like pulling your eyes into slits and saying ching chong dow and thinking you're acting Chinese.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 30, 2013, 01:04:25 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:08:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 03:14:12 AM
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
What's all this about naked lady parties, now?
It's a thing that women do that is supposed to be enjoyable, where everyone brings their discarded clothes and some wine, then strip down and start trying other people's clothes on while getting drunk.
I loathe them, it's like my own personal hell.
That is exceedingly less interesting than I was imagining.
Also, i have a feeling this is limited to the PNW. I have a hard time picturing New Englanders doing this.
As a New England lady I support this statement 100%
We are terrified of being nude unless there's a shower or fucking involved.
We in the Northwest love to be naked. I swear to god. Want to know how many of my friends I've seen naked? The answer is all of them. Hey guys, it's December! Let's go find something naked to do!
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 30, 2013, 01:04:25 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:08:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 03:14:12 AM
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
What's all this about naked lady parties, now?
It's a thing that women do that is supposed to be enjoyable, where everyone brings their discarded clothes and some wine, then strip down and start trying other people's clothes on while getting drunk.
I loathe them, it's like my own personal hell.
That is exceedingly less interesting than I was imagining.
Also, i have a feeling this is limited to the PNW. I have a hard time picturing New Englanders doing this.
As a New England lady I support this statement 100%
We are terrified of being nude unless there's a shower or fucking involved.
Or in Suu's case, sewing. Apparently.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 01:10:20 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 30, 2013, 01:04:25 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:08:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 03:14:12 AM
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
What's all this about naked lady parties, now?
It's a thing that women do that is supposed to be enjoyable, where everyone brings their discarded clothes and some wine, then strip down and start trying other people's clothes on while getting drunk.
I loathe them, it's like my own personal hell.
That is exceedingly less interesting than I was imagining.
Also, i have a feeling this is limited to the PNW. I have a hard time picturing New Englanders doing this.
As a New England lady I support this statement 100%
We are terrified of being nude unless there's a shower or fucking involved.
We in the Northwest love to be naked. I swear to god. Want to know how many of my friends I've seen naked? The answer is all of them. Hey guys, it's December! Let's go find something naked to do!
When I was younger, I used to get naked a lot. As did my friends.
Now, there's a look of terror in their eyes if my hands even
approach my belt buckle.
LMNO
-gravity sucks.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 01:02:13 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 30, 2013, 12:58:46 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:55:49 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
Cultural appropriation abounds here in Murrica.
Possibly off topic, but cultural appropriation is a concept I struggle with a lot. On one hand, I totally get it. Whitey has robbed the world of everything and used it as their own since time immemorial... but on the other hand, I share the same sun as everyone else on this planet. We stare up at the same moon at night. When the asteroid hits, we all fly into space together. How could I possibly not be part of their culture?
[/threadjack]
Ideas spread for a reason
For example penicillin, industrial methods, surgical procedures, transport and traffic flow layout, Electricity supply best practices, refrigeration methods, construction methods and pretty much everything you passively or actively interact with per day, came from or were improved upon by other cultures.
The reason those ideas spread is because they were mostly RIGHT. Yoga is a TOOL not a ceremonial practice. If I wanted the best tool to limber, and reduce stress I would go to Yoga.
There is also a huge difference between appropriating a cultural element that is a ceremony for a specific people, and adapting a cultural element that is just a thing for people in general. For example, non-Jews having a Bar Mitzvah because they think it's "neat" would be appropriation, but making matzoh ball soup is not and it would be silly to say it is.
See that makes sense but the distinction that seems so peculiar to me is that it's cultural appropriation only if the act taken serves no practical value.
For me, I'd say that the cultural appropriation is really about taking something 'sacred' (for lack of a better term) and claiming that thing wholesale. I mean, sweating in a tent with some steam and peyote is good fun for everyone... just don't call it a Authentic Native American Sweat Lodge if you're a non-native and have no clue what the context was is in their culture.
FTFY
TYVM Nigel.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 01:08:47 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 01:03:29 PM
What if they sincerely think the ceremony has value for a boy/man of that age? Is that different than if they just thought it was "neat"?
It has no cultural context for them. It's not FOR them. If they want to have a ceremony of some kind, that's one thing... heck, if they can find a rabbi who is willing to do it, there's the seal of approval right there. But if the rabbi says no, what then? Do they make it up? That's basically what happens with most Native American religious ceremonies that non-Natives perform. It's a brittle, offensive mockery, like pulling your eyes into slits and saying ching chong dow and thinking you're acting Chinese.
Exactly. It's not like Jews have a monopoly on ceremonies for boys becoming men. Lots of cultures celebrate boys to men (we Americans just have them sing bad 90's a capella). The Turks have a special ceremony and celebration that involves dressing the boy up like this:
(http://www.circlist.com/instrstechs/instrimages/clothing/boy_costume-01.jpg)
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 01:12:45 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 30, 2013, 01:04:25 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:08:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 03:14:12 AM
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
What's all this about naked lady parties, now?
It's a thing that women do that is supposed to be enjoyable, where everyone brings their discarded clothes and some wine, then strip down and start trying other people's clothes on while getting drunk.
I loathe them, it's like my own personal hell.
That is exceedingly less interesting than I was imagining.
Also, i have a feeling this is limited to the PNW. I have a hard time picturing New Englanders doing this.
As a New England lady I support this statement 100%
We are terrified of being nude unless there's a shower or fucking involved.
Or in Suu's case, sewing. Apparently.
Suu is a Holy Woman, she has incorrect values.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 30, 2013, 01:16:39 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 01:02:13 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 30, 2013, 12:58:46 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:55:49 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
Cultural appropriation abounds here in Murrica.
Possibly off topic, but cultural appropriation is a concept I struggle with a lot. On one hand, I totally get it. Whitey has robbed the world of everything and used it as their own since time immemorial... but on the other hand, I share the same sun as everyone else on this planet. We stare up at the same moon at night. When the asteroid hits, we all fly into space together. How could I possibly not be part of their culture?
[/threadjack]
Ideas spread for a reason
For example penicillin, industrial methods, surgical procedures, transport and traffic flow layout, Electricity supply best practices, refrigeration methods, construction methods and pretty much everything you passively or actively interact with per day, came from or were improved upon by other cultures.
The reason those ideas spread is because they were mostly RIGHT. Yoga is a TOOL not a ceremonial practice. If I wanted the best tool to limber, and reduce stress I would go to Yoga.
There is also a huge difference between appropriating a cultural element that is a ceremony for a specific people, and adapting a cultural element that is just a thing for people in general. For example, non-Jews having a Bar Mitzvah because they think it's "neat" would be appropriation, but making matzoh ball soup is not and it would be silly to say it is.
See that makes sense but the distinction that seems so peculiar to me is that it's cultural appropriation only if the act taken serves no practical value.
For me, I'd say that the cultural appropriation is really about taking something 'sacred' (for lack of a better term) and claiming that thing wholesale. I mean, sweating in a tent with some steam and peyote is good fun for everyone... just don't call it a Authentic Native American Sweat Lodge if you're a non-native and have no clue what the context was is in their culture.
FTFY
TYVM Nigel.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 01:08:47 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 01:03:29 PM
What if they sincerely think the ceremony has value for a boy/man of that age? Is that different than if they just thought it was "neat"?
It has no cultural context for them. It's not FOR them. If they want to have a ceremony of some kind, that's one thing... heck, if they can find a rabbi who is willing to do it, there's the seal of approval right there. But if the rabbi says no, what then? Do they make it up? That's basically what happens with most Native American religious ceremonies that non-Natives perform. It's a brittle, offensive mockery, like pulling your eyes into slits and saying ching chong dow and thinking you're acting Chinese.
Exactly. It's not like Jews have a monopoly on ceremonies for boys becoming men. Lots of cultures celebrate boys to men (we Americans just have them sing bad 90's a capella). The Turks have a special ceremony and celebration that involves dressing the boy up like this:
(http://www.circlist.com/instrstechs/instrimages/clothing/boy_costume-01.jpg)
See, I want to appropriate the hell out of that.... I would look bitchin.
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 01:54:05 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 30, 2013, 01:16:39 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 01:02:13 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 30, 2013, 12:58:46 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:55:49 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
Cultural appropriation abounds here in Murrica.
Possibly off topic, but cultural appropriation is a concept I struggle with a lot. On one hand, I totally get it. Whitey has robbed the world of everything and used it as their own since time immemorial... but on the other hand, I share the same sun as everyone else on this planet. We stare up at the same moon at night. When the asteroid hits, we all fly into space together. How could I possibly not be part of their culture?
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Ideas spread for a reason
For example penicillin, industrial methods, surgical procedures, transport and traffic flow layout, Electricity supply best practices, refrigeration methods, construction methods and pretty much everything you passively or actively interact with per day, came from or were improved upon by other cultures.
The reason those ideas spread is because they were mostly RIGHT. Yoga is a TOOL not a ceremonial practice. If I wanted the best tool to limber, and reduce stress I would go to Yoga.
There is also a huge difference between appropriating a cultural element that is a ceremony for a specific people, and adapting a cultural element that is just a thing for people in general. For example, non-Jews having a Bar Mitzvah because they think it's "neat" would be appropriation, but making matzoh ball soup is not and it would be silly to say it is.
See that makes sense but the distinction that seems so peculiar to me is that it's cultural appropriation only if the act taken serves no practical value.
For me, I'd say that the cultural appropriation is really about taking something 'sacred' (for lack of a better term) and claiming that thing wholesale. I mean, sweating in a tent with some steam and peyote is good fun for everyone... just don't call it a Authentic Native American Sweat Lodge if you're a non-native and have no clue what the context was is in their culture.
FTFY
TYVM Nigel.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 01:08:47 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 01:03:29 PM
What if they sincerely think the ceremony has value for a boy/man of that age? Is that different than if they just thought it was "neat"?
It has no cultural context for them. It's not FOR them. If they want to have a ceremony of some kind, that's one thing... heck, if they can find a rabbi who is willing to do it, there's the seal of approval right there. But if the rabbi says no, what then? Do they make it up? That's basically what happens with most Native American religious ceremonies that non-Natives perform. It's a brittle, offensive mockery, like pulling your eyes into slits and saying ching chong dow and thinking you're acting Chinese.
Exactly. It's not like Jews have a monopoly on ceremonies for boys becoming men. Lots of cultures celebrate boys to men (we Americans just have them sing bad 90's a capella). The Turks have a special ceremony and celebration that involves dressing the boy up like this:
(http://www.circlist.com/instrstechs/instrimages/clothing/boy_costume-01.jpg)
See, I want to appropriate the hell out of that.... I would look bitchin.
Especially when the boys dance and the men in the village "make it rain" with lira for them :D
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 01:14:13 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 01:10:20 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 30, 2013, 01:04:25 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:08:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 03:14:12 AM
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
What's all this about naked lady parties, now?
It's a thing that women do that is supposed to be enjoyable, where everyone brings their discarded clothes and some wine, then strip down and start trying other people's clothes on while getting drunk.
I loathe them, it's like my own personal hell.
That is exceedingly less interesting than I was imagining.
Also, i have a feeling this is limited to the PNW. I have a hard time picturing New Englanders doing this.
As a New England lady I support this statement 100%
We are terrified of being nude unless there's a shower or fucking involved.
We in the Northwest love to be naked. I swear to god. Want to know how many of my friends I've seen naked? The answer is all of them. Hey guys, it's December! Let's go find something naked to do!
When I was younger, I used to get naked a lot. As did my friends.
Now, there's a look of terror in their eyes if my hands even approach my belt buckle.
LMNO
-gravity sucks.
I had a dream last night in which you were naked. Thanks, PeeDee.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 03:14:12 AM
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
I generally hate things that people tell me I'm "supposed to like".
Nobody down here is telling me I'm "supposed to like" yoga, so I'm OK with it.
I don't think middle aged women in Texas are "supposed to like" anything except clothes that look like the WalMart version of shit Barbara Bush would wear.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:08:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 03:14:12 AM
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
What's all this about naked lady parties, now?
It's a thing that women do that is supposed to be enjoyable, where everyone brings their discarded clothes and some wine, then strip down and start trying other people's clothes on while getting drunk.
I loathe them, it's like my own personal hell.
*shudders*
I was just picturing a room full of the local fraus naked.
THANKS A LOT, OBAMA :argh!:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:08:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 03:14:12 AM
I don't like yoga. Yoga is, in fact, one of the two things that as a middle-aged Portland woman I am supposed to like, the other being naked lady parties.
People are always trying to get me to take yoga with them. Luckily, I'm very busy so I have an excuse, and that allows me to get around the part where they look at me like I just grew an arm out of my face when I say that I don't care for yoga.
They always ask me why I don't like it, and I tell them that I'm not very flexible and they always tell me that if I do yoga I will become more flexible. Like being flexible is some sort of BENEFIT, and not a fucking DRAWBACK. I don't WANT to be "flexible". Flexible is for those people who roll their ankles and accidentally dislocate their shoulders trying to carry their purse. My collagen is firm and tight for a reason, and that reason is to make me strong like an ant, so that I can carry bales of straw that weigh as much as I do and hike 6 miles before breakfast. I am not willowy, I am a small tank and I will NOT do yoga, yoga can go fuck itself while I leg motor on over the Tualatin Mountains for a beer and chili on Sunday morning.
What's all this about naked lady parties, now?
It's a thing that women do that is supposed to be enjoyable, where everyone brings their discarded clothes and some wine, then strip down and start trying other people's clothes on while getting drunk.
I loathe them, it's like my own personal hell.
That is exceedingly less interesting than I was imagining.
Also, i have a feeling this is limited to the PNW. I have a hard time picturing New Englanders doing this.
Uhhh...FILENE'S.
Thankfully, closed. But I take your point.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2013, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 30, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 29, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
Cultural appropriation abounds here in Murrica.
Possibly off topic, but cultural appropriation is a concept I struggle with a lot. On one hand, I totally get it. Whitey has robbed the world of everything and used it as their own since time immemorial... but on the other hand, I share the same sun as everyone else on this planet. We stare up at the same moon at night. When the asteroid hits, we all fly into space together. How could I possibly not be part of their culture?
[/threadjack]
Ideas spread for a reason
For example penicillin, industrial methods, surgical procedures, transport and traffic flow layout, Electricity supply best practices, refrigeration methods, construction methods and pretty much everything you passively or actively interact with per day, came from or were improved upon by other cultures.
The reason those ideas spread is because they were mostly RIGHT. Yoga is a TOOL not a ceremonial practice. If I wanted the best tool to limber, and reduce stress I would go to Yoga.
There is also a huge difference between appropriating a cultural element that is a ceremony for a specific people, and adapting a cultural element that is just a thing for people in general. For example, non-Jews having a Bar Mitzvah because they think it's "neat" would be appropriation, but making matzoh ball soup is not and it would be silly to say it is.
Great example, point taken, not to equivocate, just to counter: culinary preparation may have previously been more important than it presently seems. Say, it is because the great unwashed had the audacity to improperly prepare matzoh, thus defiling it, that now we no longer recognize how only the elect may actually produce matzoh that is perfectly pure. Granted this response is just as unleavened as that other sacrament of mass consumption, however, selecting some elements of a system over others can betray misunderstanding the fundamental importance of that original "way". Although, clearly, systems do need to change with time, sometimes I forget that I was not always the best at making those decisions due to my persistent Pernicious Teleological Sight Deficiency.