'Butthurt' is kind of a central concept to PD, isn't it? So what I'd like to know is:
Is there a difference? If yes, what is it?
(http://th09.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2012/117/9/8/butthurt_report_form_for_losers_by_shuuto-d4xra44.png)
That's... entirely unhelpful. But marginally funny.
If you can't figure out butthurt from that, no amount of explanation is going to help you.
Quote from: holist on November 03, 2013, 01:18:32 PM
'Butthurt' is kind of a central concept to PD, isn't it?
Butthurt is a central concept to the whole fucking world, holist.
It is humanity's fuel.
A good example of "butthurt" would be in starting a thread asking the difference between "butthurt" and "being offended", so that you can try to score "points" off of any perceived contradictions that may be stated in said explanation.
In short, you're pretty fucking transparent.
But since I am a Holy Man™, I'll explain it anyway. Oh, wait, I just did.
Quote from: holist on November 03, 2013, 01:18:32 PM
'Butthurt' is kind of a central concept to PD, isn't it?
No. It isn't.
Quote from: holist on November 03, 2013, 01:18:32 PM
'Butthurt' is kind of a central concept to PD, isn't it? So what I'd like to know is:
Is there a difference? If yes, what is it?
Drink Bleach.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 03, 2013, 05:35:26 PM
A good example of "butthurt" would be in starting a thread asking the difference between "butthurt" and "being offended", so that you can try to score "points" off of any perceived contradictions that may be stated in said explanation.
In short, you're pretty fucking transparent.
But since I am a Holy Man™, I'll explain it anyway. Oh, wait, I just did.
Yeah, I saw the thread title and who posted it, and went
:ohboy:
Just stopping in to see the replies, sometimes they're hilarious. :lulz:
Love that form, Queen Gogira.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 03, 2013, 05:35:26 PM
A good example of "butthurt" would be in starting a thread asking the difference between "butthurt" and "being offended", so that you can try to score "points" off of any perceived contradictions that may be stated in said explanation.
In short, you're pretty fucking transparent.
But since I am a Holy Man™, I'll explain it anyway. Oh, wait, I just did.
I don't mind being transparent, it is actually an honest question. You gave an example... an imaginary one, because I didn't start this topic to score points at all. But to be even more transparent, what struck me was that while, if I understand your views correctly, 'authenticity' in art is a fake concept and is simply used by the insecure to beef up personal taste, butthurt is an objective phenomenon - I wondered how that can work.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 03, 2013, 05:04:44 PM
If you can't figure out butthurt from that, no amount of explanation is going to help you.
I can figure it out from that. Being butthurt is being unreasonably offended, right? My question is who decides when being offended is unreasonable. Is it just more or less arbitrary social norms and taboo, or does it have some sort of rational basis?
Quote from: Mr. Bear on November 04, 2013, 12:32:37 AM
Quote from: holist on November 03, 2013, 01:18:32 PM
'Butthurt' is kind of a central concept to PD, isn't it? So what I'd like to know is:
Is there a difference? If yes, what is it?
Drink Bleach.
Thanks for the tip!
Holist would actually be interesting to engage with were it not for his totally irredeemable personality. Shame, that.
Quote from: holist on November 04, 2013, 05:59:19 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 03, 2013, 05:04:44 PM
If you can't figure out butthurt from that, no amount of explanation is going to help you.
I can figure it out from that. Being butthurt is being unreasonably offended, right? My question is who decides when being offended is unreasonable. Is it just more or less arbitrary social norms and taboo, or does it have some sort of rational basis?
Being offended could very well always be reasonable.
It's expecting anyone else to give a shit that's never reasonable. Sometimes other people do give a shit, and that should be considered a bonus but it should NEVER be
expected.
Quote from: Pæs on November 04, 2013, 06:53:08 AM
Holist would actually be interesting to engage with were it not for his totally irredeemable personality. Shame, that.
Top of the morning to you and all, too!
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on November 04, 2013, 07:27:17 AM
Quote from: holist on November 04, 2013, 05:59:19 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 03, 2013, 05:04:44 PM
If you can't figure out butthurt from that, no amount of explanation is going to help you.
I can figure it out from that. Being butthurt is being unreasonably offended, right? My question is who decides when being offended is unreasonable. Is it just more or less arbitrary social norms and taboo, or does it have some sort of rational basis?
Being offended could very well always be reasonable.
It's expecting anyone else to give a shit that's never reasonable. Sometimes other people do give a shit, and that should be considered a bonus but it should NEVER be expected.
Are you sure about that?
On the one hand: taking offence is often completely unreasonable. Initially, I thought that was the fact behind 'butthurt', as a technical term used on PD. People take offence left right and centre in a completely ridiculous manner and it is boring and tiresome.
On the other hand: if you said: "It's expecting everyone else to give a shit all the time that's not reasonable.", I'd be nodding with a happy smile. As it is (given that emotions are basically signalling tools for rough and ready social adjustment), I'm not sure I agree. I guess the people I expect to give a shit about me being offended (or upset, or angry, or sad, or, indeed, happy, or excited, or playful) are the people I call my friends. If a friend doesn't give a shit about my emotional state (and this recurs a few times, everyone can be severely preoccupied every now and then, and that's fine), I begin to think about the possibility of my being mistaken about that friendship.
Quote from: holist on November 04, 2013, 10:43:54 AM
People take offence left right and centre in a completely ridiculous manner and it is boring and tiresome.
Past tense. We've had what junkies call a moment of clarity, we've realised we do this and are now watching for when it happens to try roll it back.
It's good to try and understand why we do the things we do, but I feel that threads like this might only exacerbate the symptom that we are finally getting a grip on.
Quote from: Faust on November 04, 2013, 10:52:03 AM
Quote from: holist on November 04, 2013, 10:43:54 AM
People take offence left right and centre in a completely ridiculous manner and it is boring and tiresome.
Past tense. We've had what junkies call a moment of clarity, we've realised we do this and are now watching for when it happens to try roll it back.
It's good to try and understand why we do the things we do, but I feel that threads like this might only exacerbate the symptom that we are finally getting a grip on.
Sorry, I think you misunderstood. I wasn't talking about PD there, but about humans in general. As for the tone of PD changing somewhat recently, I agree. And Paes is a lovely chap :)
You guys are arguing with holist. Holist is here to show you all how enflamed his butt is, on a permenent basis.
You know this.
Quote from: holist on November 04, 2013, 05:36:14 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 03, 2013, 05:35:26 PM
A good example of "butthurt" would be in starting a thread asking the difference between "butthurt" and "being offended", so that you can try to score "points" off of any perceived contradictions that may be stated in said explanation.
In short, you're pretty fucking transparent.
But since I am a Holy Man™, I'll explain it anyway. Oh, wait, I just did.
I don't mind being transparent, it is actually an honest question. You gave an example... an imaginary one, because I didn't start this topic to score points at all. But to be even more transparent, what struck me was that while, if I understand your views correctly, 'authenticity' in art is a fake concept and is simply used by the insecure to beef up personal taste, butthurt is an objective phenomenon - I wondered how that can work.
See what I mean? :lulz:
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 04, 2013, 01:47:51 PM
You guys are arguing with holist. Holist is here to show you all how enflamed his butt is, on a permenent basis.
You know this.
I suspect that there are two processes at war in Holist. One is a desire to be a better primate, and the other is a fear of being intellectually vulnerable; ie. wrong. Unfortunately, these two processes act in opposition to each other. However, I am trying to encourage the part that would like to be a better primate by responding to his sincere interactions and ignoring the ones that are overly colored by the fear.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 04, 2013, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 04, 2013, 01:47:51 PM
You guys are arguing with holist. Holist is here to show you all how enflamed his butt is, on a permenent basis.
You know this.
I suspect that there are two processes at war in Holist. One is a desire to be a better primate, and the other is a fear of being intellectually vulnerable; ie. wrong. Unfortunately, these two processes act in opposition to each other. However, I am trying to encourage the part that would like to be a better primate by responding to his sincere interactions and ignoring the ones that are overly colored by the fear.
That's basically all of America in a nutshell. So I'm not holding my breath.
I never could understand that shit. I'm WRONG pretty much ALL THE TIME. I drop my pants and ROLL in my mistakes. And it hasn't killed me, lost me any friends, or caused my family to feel ashamed.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 04, 2013, 05:33:45 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 04, 2013, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 04, 2013, 01:47:51 PM
You guys are arguing with holist. Holist is here to show you all how enflamed his butt is, on a permenent basis.
You know this.
I suspect that there are two processes at war in Holist. One is a desire to be a better primate, and the other is a fear of being intellectually vulnerable; ie. wrong. Unfortunately, these two processes act in opposition to each other. However, I am trying to encourage the part that would like to be a better primate by responding to his sincere interactions and ignoring the ones that are overly colored by the fear.
That's basically all of America in a nutshell. So I'm not holding my breath.
I never could understand that shit. I'm WRONG pretty much ALL THE TIME. I drop my pants and ROLL in my mistakes. And it hasn't killed me, lost me any friends, or caused my family to feel ashamed.
Being wrong is an important part of the process IMO, and the more readily we can recognize and admit to being wrong, the more painless becoming a better ape is.
Still hurts though. Most of the time. And the bigger the change, the more it hurts.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 04, 2013, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 04, 2013, 01:47:51 PM
You guys are arguing with holist. Holist is here to show you all how enflamed his butt is, on a permenent basis.
You know this.
I suspect that there are two processes at war in Holist. One is a desire to be a better primate, and the other is a fear of being intellectually vulnerable; ie. wrong. Unfortunately, these two processes act in opposition to each other. However, I am trying to encourage the part that would like to be a better primate by responding to his sincere interactions and ignoring the ones that are overly colored by the fear.
That's very kind of you. Proud bastard that I am, as I was about to fly off at the handle there, I somehow managed to sit back and read it a few more times instead. You may be right.
Quote from: holist on November 04, 2013, 05:59:21 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 04, 2013, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 04, 2013, 01:47:51 PM
You guys are arguing with holist. Holist is here to show you all how enflamed his butt is, on a permenent basis.
You know this.
I suspect that there are two processes at war in Holist. One is a desire to be a better primate, and the other is a fear of being intellectually vulnerable; ie. wrong. Unfortunately, these two processes act in opposition to each other. However, I am trying to encourage the part that would like to be a better primate by responding to his sincere interactions and ignoring the ones that are overly colored by the fear.
That's very kind of you. Proud bastard that I am, as I was about to fly off at the handle there, I somehow managed to sit back and read it a few more times instead. You may be right.
Hey! Rock on! :)
Several good points on the topic of butts and the hurting thereof:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-everyone-gets-wrong-about-being-offended/
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on November 04, 2013, 10:32:49 PM
Several good points on the topic of butts and the hurting thereof:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-everyone-gets-wrong-about-being-offended/
Sometimes Cracked misses the mark. This time, though, they hit a bullseye.
Butthurt is for
everyone.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 04, 2013, 10:49:24 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on November 04, 2013, 10:32:49 PM
Several good points on the topic of butts and the hurting thereof:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-everyone-gets-wrong-about-being-offended/
Sometimes Cracked misses the mark. This time, though, they hit a bullseye.
Butthurt is for everyone.
Nos. 1 to 4, yes, all valid and valuable points. No. 5 - given that a large proportion of instances of butthurt spring from misunderstandings, and misunderstandings can be cleared up: not so much. It is my personal experience, and I am very thankful to Eris for this state of affairs, that when the offence was generated by misunderstanding, it is possible to talk people out of being offended. Also, when offense is given unintentionally (though there is no misunderstanding), apologies can do wonders.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 04, 2013, 05:33:45 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 04, 2013, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 04, 2013, 01:47:51 PM
You guys are arguing with holist. Holist is here to show you all how enflamed his butt is, on a permenent basis.
You know this.
I suspect that there are two processes at war in Holist. One is a desire to be a better primate, and the other is a fear of being intellectually vulnerable; ie. wrong. Unfortunately, these two processes act in opposition to each other. However, I am trying to encourage the part that would like to be a better primate by responding to his sincere interactions and ignoring the ones that are overly colored by the fear.
That's basically all of America in a nutshell. So I'm not holding my breath.
I never could understand that shit. I'm WRONG pretty much ALL THE TIME. I drop my pants and ROLL in my mistakes. And it hasn't killed me, lost me any friends, or caused my family to feel ashamed.
Ding ding ding. I'm still having sex with my wife even when I'm wrong. This whole alpha male shit needs to go.
Quote from: holist on November 05, 2013, 04:46:55 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 04, 2013, 10:49:24 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on November 04, 2013, 10:32:49 PM
Several good points on the topic of butts and the hurting thereof:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-everyone-gets-wrong-about-being-offended/
Sometimes Cracked misses the mark. This time, though, they hit a bullseye.
Butthurt is for everyone.
Nos. 1 to 4, yes, all valid and valuable points. No. 5 - given that a large proportion of instances of butthurt spring from misunderstandings, and misunderstandings can be cleared up: not so much. It is my personal experience, and I am very thankful to Eris for this state of affairs, that when the offence was generated by misunderstanding, it is possible to talk people out of being offended. Also, when offense is given unintentionally (though there is no misunderstanding), apologies can do wonders.
Mayyyyyyybe so. But more often than not, trying to rationalize away someone's offense just results in them not liking you very much. Not so sure about "misunderstandings". If they misunderstood, the offense is still real, and you can simply explain that you did not mean what they thought you meant. That isn't talking them out of being offended at what they thought you were saying, it's resolving that you weren't actually saying that.
Being offended is one thing. Butthurt (I think) is what happens when I fail to take ownership of MY delicate fee fees and insist on everyone else joining my crusade and feeling righteously indignant with me.
"If you're not part of the solution..."
In my mind's eye, butthurt is the emotional reaction wherein you either slink off to sulk, or flail around looking for someone to slap. Offense can generate butthurt, but doesn't necessarily have to; it's simply the state of feeling some sort of attack to your sensibilities. Example: Dawkins had every right to be offended that the TSA took away his honey, but his Twitter reaction came across as a fit of butthurt.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 05, 2013, 10:55:34 AM
In my mind's eye, butthurt is the emotional reaction wherein you either slink off to sulk, or flail around looking for someone to slap. Offense can generate butthurt, but doesn't necessarily have to; it's simply the state of feeling some sort of attack to your sensibilities. Example: Dawkins had every right to be offended that the TSA took away his honey, but his Twitter reaction came across as a fit of butthurt.
You know that thing where someone says something
so right that it clears away any differences of opinion with its Holy Truth? This sentence.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 05, 2013, 11:00:40 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 05, 2013, 10:55:34 AM
In my mind's eye, butthurt is the emotional reaction wherein you either slink off to sulk, or flail around looking for someone to slap. Offense can generate butthurt, but doesn't necessarily have to; it's simply the state of feeling some sort of attack to your sensibilities. Example: Dawkins had every right to be offended that the TSA took away his honey, but his Twitter reaction came across as a fit of butthurt.
You know that thing where someone says something so right that it clears away any differences of opinion with its Holy Truth? This sentence.
:thanks:
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 05, 2013, 10:43:59 AM
Quote from: holist on November 05, 2013, 04:46:55 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 04, 2013, 10:49:24 PM
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on November 04, 2013, 10:32:49 PM
Several good points on the topic of butts and the hurting thereof:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-everyone-gets-wrong-about-being-offended/
Sometimes Cracked misses the mark. This time, though, they hit a bullseye.
Butthurt is for everyone.
Nos. 1 to 4, yes, all valid and valuable points. No. 5 - given that a large proportion of instances of butthurt spring from misunderstandings, and misunderstandings can be cleared up: not so much. It is my personal experience, and I am very thankful to Eris for this state of affairs, that when the offence was generated by misunderstanding, it is possible to talk people out of being offended. Also, when offense is given unintentionally (though there is no misunderstanding), apologies can do wonders.
Mayyyyyyybe so. But more often than not, trying to rationalize away someone's offense just results in them not liking you very much. Not so sure about "misunderstandings". If they misunderstood, the offense is still real, and you can simply explain that you did not mean what they thought you meant. That isn't talking them out of being offended at what they thought you were saying, it's resolving that you weren't actually saying that.
Okay, if you want to put it like that, I'm fine with that. The offense, as a kind of organismic reaction is certainly real, but an honest explanation and the recognition that it was actually unwarranted and based on a misunderstanding, in my experience, actually goes a long way towards both stopping the feeling of being offended in the particular case and avoiding long-term enmity.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 05, 2013, 10:55:34 AM
In my mind's eye, butthurt is the emotional reaction wherein you either slink off to sulk, or flail around looking for someone to slap. Offense can generate butthurt, but doesn't necessarily have to; it's simply the state of feeling some sort of attack to your sensibilities. Example: Dawkins had every right to be offended that the TSA took away his honey, but his Twitter reaction came across as a fit of butthurt.
That's highly edifying, thank you.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 05, 2013, 11:02:16 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 05, 2013, 11:00:40 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 05, 2013, 10:55:34 AM
In my mind's eye, butthurt is the emotional reaction wherein you either slink off to sulk, or flail around looking for someone to slap. Offense can generate butthurt, but doesn't necessarily have to; it's simply the state of feeling some sort of attack to your sensibilities. Example: Dawkins had every right to be offended that the TSA took away his honey, but his Twitter reaction came across as a fit of butthurt.
You know that thing where someone says something so right that it clears away any differences of opinion with its Holy Truth? This sentence.
:thanks:
Shouldn't you be asleeps? It's ass O'clock east coast time.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 05, 2013, 11:28:52 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 05, 2013, 11:02:16 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 05, 2013, 11:00:40 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 05, 2013, 10:55:34 AM
In my mind's eye, butthurt is the emotional reaction wherein you either slink off to sulk, or flail around looking for someone to slap. Offense can generate butthurt, but doesn't necessarily have to; it's simply the state of feeling some sort of attack to your sensibilities. Example: Dawkins had every right to be offended that the TSA took away his honey, but his Twitter reaction came across as a fit of butthurt.
You know that thing where someone says something so right that it clears away any differences of opinion with its Holy Truth? This sentence.
:thanks:
Shouldn't you be asleeps? It's ass O'clock east coast time.
I should have; see Open Bar for tale of rage and woe.
I think of being offended as being repulsed, in a sense. If somebody comes over and tells racist jokes, or wipes their ass with your washcloth or whatever, and you tell them to GTFO and don't come back, that's being offended. There's a principle behind it, i.e., "Racism should never be tolerated", or "People need to respect me enough not to put their nasty septic shit on my things".
Being butthurt is more like going off because somebody poked your ego: "Wahhhhh, he refuted me on the internet!" "Wahhhhh, he's talking to her and not me!" "Wahhhhh, the TSA took my jar of honey!"
The other thing about being offended is that it indicates a failure of self control on the part of the one who's being offended. "Taking offence" the saying goes.
How about pulling up your big boy pants, getting the fuck over it and "leaving offence"?
I'm not saying don't tell the offensive person they're being a fuckhead but that's a beatdown that's always best served cold
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 05, 2013, 06:10:20 PM
The other thing about being offended is that it indicates a failure of self control on the part of the one who's being offended. "Taking offence" the saying goes.
How about pulling up your big boy pants, getting the fuck over it and "leaving offence"?
I'm not saying don't tell the offensive person they're being a fuckhead but that's a beatdown that's always best served cold
I am of the opposite opinion. When you get pissed, GET PISSED. Then get over it.
It's a matter of perspective, I guess. I tend not to lose my shit when I'm in an actual life or death situation, would seem silly to lose it cos someone said something dumb. If I do lose my shit then it's more likely to result in violence. Yelling and bawling is a kind of middle step that I've never had much to do with. Best just to proceed directly to the broken bones resolution. Even then, it's been at least 20 years since someone offended me all the way to intensive care.
I'm reminded of the reason I don't use the c-word much (if at all) on here anymore. Given that it's practically punctuation IRL. I remember a lot of people taking offence and getting all righteous and preachy on my ass and I was happy to wave all the middle fingers I had at my disposal and carry on regardless. Then Nigel mentioned that she didn't like it and told me why and so I did it out of respect for her. Because she didn't lose her shit, just calmly stated her position. That's the thing with me, you want me to do something and you have my respect, I'll walk through fire for ya. Getting all ranty and indignant and screeching and hollering? That's more funny to me. And I wont let a good joke die, if I can help it.
I really respect (and admire) how unflappable you are, Pent, even in the midst of people, myself included, getting all riled up.
I think an important distinction between offense and butthurt is that in the latter, feeling a way about something isn't enough. It's not enough that YOU found that Joke/Movie/Facebook post offensive it's that you feel the need for other people to feel exactly as outraged as you do, and even going so far as to demand that they Do Something About IT! Theres definitely an aspect of needing to make your own emotional responses Someone Else's Problem.
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on November 05, 2013, 09:01:12 PM
I think an important distinction between offense and butthurt is that in the latter, feeling a way about something isn't enough. It's not enough that YOU found that Joke/Movie/Facebook post offensive it's that you feel the need for other people to feel exactly as outraged as you do, and even going so far as to demand that they Do Something About IT! Theres definitely an aspect of needing to make your own emotional responses Someone Else's Problem.
That isn't always accurate either, because asking your peers to stand up against racism or sexism or other bigotry when they see it isn't necessarily reflective of butthurt, it's more reflective of hoping you can collectively take action to make a positive change in society.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 05, 2013, 07:14:10 PM
It's a matter of perspective, I guess. I tend not to lose my shit when I'm in an actual life or death situation, would seem silly to lose it cos someone said something dumb. If I do lose my shit then it's more likely to result in violence. Yelling and bawling is a kind of middle step that I've never had much to do with. Best just to proceed directly to the broken bones resolution. Even then, it's been at least 20 years since someone offended me all the way to intensive care.
I'm reminded of the reason I don't use the c-word much (if at all) on here anymore. Given that it's practically punctuation IRL. I remember a lot of people taking offence and getting all righteous and preachy on my ass and I was happy to wave all the middle fingers I had at my disposal and carry on regardless. Then Nigel mentioned that she didn't like it and told me why and so I did it out of respect for her. Because she didn't lose her shit, just calmly stated her position. That's the thing with me, you want me to do something and you have my respect, I'll walk through fire for ya. Getting all ranty and indignant and screeching and hollering? That's more funny to me. And I wont let a good joke die, if I can help it.
This this this. A million times this.
It's easier to explain by example.
I WAS offended by Coyote's first response to me in the atheist thread. I am over that.
I AM butthurt by Dingo's insistence that my refusal to be associated with a pedo was "trying to control his (Dingo's, not the pedo's) project". This was a very long time ago, and I am still pissed off.
Or
I AM offended by ECH's haircut, which is un-American.
I WAS butthurt over Hugh's reading of my PMs, among many other things. My butthurt was cured by him going (literally) insane a few years back.
My haircut?
Good sir, I assure you that I don't even know what a haircut is.
And yeah, I'm still wicked butthurt about Dingo's bullshit too. What a fucking douchecanoe.
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on November 06, 2013, 12:17:36 AM
My haircut?
Good sir, I assure you that I don't even know what a haircut is.
And yeah, I'm still wicked butthurt about Dingo's bullshit too. What a fucking douchecanoe.
Thing is, everyone gets butthurt. EVERYONE.
But nobody wants to admit it. It's like watching 25 year olds get drunk. "I'M JUST BUZZED, borb hurk puke".
But if you won't admit it, you can't do anything about it.
Or, as in my case, decide that in some cases, you have no intention of doing anything about it. Butthurt isn't automatically BAD, and is in some cases appropriate.
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on November 05, 2013, 09:28:30 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 05, 2013, 07:14:10 PM
It's a matter of perspective, I guess. I tend not to lose my shit when I'm in an actual life or death situation, would seem silly to lose it cos someone said something dumb. If I do lose my shit then it's more likely to result in violence. Yelling and bawling is a kind of middle step that I've never had much to do with. Best just to proceed directly to the broken bones resolution. Even then, it's been at least 20 years since someone offended me all the way to intensive care.
I'm reminded of the reason I don't use the c-word much (if at all) on here anymore. Given that it's practically punctuation IRL. I remember a lot of people taking offence and getting all righteous and preachy on my ass and I was happy to wave all the middle fingers I had at my disposal and carry on regardless. Then Nigel mentioned that she didn't like it and told me why and so I did it out of respect for her. Because she didn't lose her shit, just calmly stated her position. That's the thing with me, you want me to do something and you have my respect, I'll walk through fire for ya. Getting all ranty and indignant and screeching and hollering? That's more funny to me. And I wont let a good joke die, if I can help it.
This this this. A million times this.
I think anger (my translation of "losing my shit", correct me if I am wrong) is much misunderstood in our culture. And the reason is that appropriate anger as a response to the present situation is an exceedingly rare phenomenon. Much more common is anger that is triggered by some trivial cue but is actually driven by old luggage that the angry person is not dealing with, refusing to deal with... and people were mistaking that for anger as such for thousands of years, Marcus Aurelius wrote a bloody book about how being angry is just badwrong.
Someone quite well versed in the ancient Chinese flavour of metaphysics explained to me once that at one time at least, anger was certainly viewed as a positive, life-affirming emotion. There was even a parable: when a seed is planted under ground, it needs to expend all its energy to grow a shoot that reaches the surface, the sunlight. It needs to direct all its resources towards that goal. Anger, in a life-threatening situation, is like that: it is a way of arranging all resources into a single movement in a well-defined direction.
Of course, that kind of anger is quite different from hysterics. It is not incompatible with self-control at all. My most recent experience is the car accident last year: as it was happening, and the minibus was sliding, hitting the barrier, then bouncing off, teetering on two wheels and then slowly turning over, and my wife and little girl were screaming in the back, there was a slowing down of time and panic offered itself: it was ousted by something white hot and very strong, and, thank God, I accelerated to my most effective in a matter of seconds. Apart from mild PTSD lasting a couple of months, nobody was hurt.
Biologically speaking, there's probably a whole lot of other shit going on that I don't know about but I tend to lump the cumulative effect under the heading "adrenaline"
The impression I get is that (much like with alcohol) a lot of people can't handle their adrenaline. Maybe they're not used to it or maybe their body produces too much for them or maybe they've never thought about trying to control it but, whatever the reason, I see it all the time. Someone "loses it", gets a totally inappropriate adrenaline spike and immediately devolves into a bright red, foaming at the mouth, parody of the human being you were with just a minute ago.
I say "inappropriate" because, srsly, someone just said something dumb, your body is not under attack by wolves or falling off a cliff. WTF?? Contrary to the Incredible Hulk - myth, flying into a blind rage does not make you the ultimate killing machine, it makes you stupid and clumsy and unable to think or act effectively.
Adrenaline is addictive. I'm pretty sure science backs this up. I know for a fact that I have been, and probably still am totally hooked but I never let it take over, turn into panic/rage otherwise I'd die. I feel the surge, everything slows down and my muscles start running on turbo. People who throw temper tantrums all the time strike me as people who are also addicted to adrenaline but seem to be using it to serve some purpose it wasn't designed for. Like using diabonol to relax.
The really weird thing is that they seem to not like it. Must really suck to be hooked on a drug you hate :eek:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 06, 2013, 09:44:44 AM
Biologically speaking, there's probably a whole lot of other shit going on that I don't know about but I tend to lump the cumulative effect under the heading "adrenaline"
The impression I get is that (much like with alcohol) a lot of people can't handle their adrenaline. Maybe they're not used to it or maybe their body produces too much for them or maybe they've never thought about trying to control it but, whatever the reason, I see it all the time. Someone "loses it", gets a totally inappropriate adrenaline spike and immediately devolves into a bright red, foaming at the mouth, parody of the human being you were with just a minute ago.
I say "inappropriate" because, srsly, someone just said something dumb, your body is not under attack by wolves or falling off a cliff. WTF?? Contrary to the Incredible Hulk - myth, flying into a blind rage does not make you the ultimate killing machine, it makes you stupid and clumsy and unable to think or act effectively.
Adrenaline is addictive. I'm pretty sure science backs this up. I know for a fact that I have been, and probably still am totally hooked but I never let it take over, turn into panic/rage otherwise I'd die. I feel the surge, everything slows down and my muscles start running on turbo. People who throw temper tantrums all the time strike me as people who are also addicted to adrenaline but seem to be using it to serve some purpose it wasn't designed for. Like using diabonol to relax.
The really weird thing is that they seem to not like it. Must really suck to be hooked on a drug you hate :eek:
Right, I think that's all completely correct as far as it goes. But this bit, we share with reptiles and solitary mammals. There's a great deal of interesting stuff added on top of that because of the neocortex and because we are social animals. I think in between surrendering to my adrenaline/anger and controlling it, there is a state of playing it. Like a musical instrument. I think that's probably what you do, in your kayak adventures... it is deeply satisfying, I agree. :) I tend to go on very long hikes, sleeping out, getting into and out of trouble as it comes along, and it does the same thing. So does cycling as fast as I can through heavy city traffic.
Yeah, the neocortex stuff is, I think why an adrenaline response is triggered. I'm sure I read this somewhere recently. Someone yells "Help my ego is under attack" and the plumbing steps in with "Attack? Yup, we have something for that - FIGHT OR FLIGHT!!!" :lulz:
Our bodies are not designed to deal with abstracts
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 06, 2013, 10:13:05 AM
Yeah, the neocortex stuff is, I think why an adrenaline response is triggered. I'm sure I read this somewhere recently. Someone yells "Help my ego is under attack" and the plumbing steps in with "Attack? Yup, we have something for that - FIGHT OR FLIGHT!!!" :lulz:
Our bodies are not designed to deal with abstracts
:lol:
But the neocortex is also capable of dealing with the signals from the plumbing. I think that (as opposed to not having fear) is courage, actually. The ability to deal with a rather large surge of adrenaline without regression.
Totally. You just have to train it or get used to it or whatever. I think your onto something with fear/courage dichotomy. Maybe something along the lines of fear being what happens when adrenaline is running the show and courage being what happens when you are making best use of the adrenaline.
I must admit I tend not to think of what I do as courageous. It's just having fun. Mildly dangerous fun but fun nonetheless. However, I've had to deal with many a newbie completely losing it in a scary situation. I sympathise because I have memories of being terrified out my wits in similar situations but nowadays I don't get scared, I just get focussed.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 06, 2013, 10:34:50 AM
Totally. You just have to train it or get used to it or whatever. I think your onto something with fear/courage dichotomy. Maybe something along the lines of fear being what happens when adrenaline is running the show and courage being what happens when you are making best use of the adrenaline.
I must admit I tend not to think of what I do as courageous. It's just having fun. Mildly dangerous fun but fun nonetheless. However, I've had to deal with many a newbie completely losing it in a scary situation. I sympathise because I have memories of being terrified out my wits in similar situations but nowadays I don't get scared, I just get focussed.
I think we are in agreement here, basically. Perhaps I would try to improve the phrasing: Panic is what happens when fear is running the show. Courage is what happens when you are responding to your fear optimally.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 06, 2013, 09:44:44 AM
Biologically speaking, there's probably a whole lot of other shit going on that I don't know about but I tend to lump the cumulative effect under the heading "adrenaline"
The impression I get is that (much like with alcohol) a lot of people can't handle their adrenaline. Maybe they're not used to it or maybe their body produces too much for them or maybe they've never thought about trying to control it but, whatever the reason, I see it all the time. Someone "loses it", gets a totally inappropriate adrenaline spike and immediately devolves into a bright red, foaming at the mouth, parody of the human being you were with just a minute ago.
I say "inappropriate" because, srsly, someone just said something dumb, your body is not under attack by wolves or falling off a cliff. WTF?? Contrary to the Incredible Hulk - myth, flying into a blind rage does not make you the ultimate killing machine, it makes you stupid and clumsy and unable to think or act effectively.
Adrenaline is addictive. I'm pretty sure science backs this up. I know for a fact that I have been, and probably still am totally hooked but I never let it take over, turn into panic/rage otherwise I'd die. I feel the surge, everything slows down and my muscles start running on turbo. People who throw temper tantrums all the time strike me as people who are also addicted to adrenaline but seem to be using it to serve some purpose it wasn't designed for. Like using diabonol to relax.
The really weird thing is that they seem to not like it. Must really suck to be hooked on a drug you hate :eek:
I had to be a giant dick today, and I totally got an adrenaline rush from it. :lulz:
Miley Cyrus makes my butt hurt
Quote from: Delcon on November 07, 2013, 12:10:57 AM
Miley Cyrus makes my butt hurt
Quit braggin', lucky bastard!
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Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 07, 2013, 03:27:33 PM
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LMNO WINS ALL THE INTERNETS FOREVER
I forget...Where did the post in the background come from? :lulz:
I think it was CU... But it really could be anyone.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 07, 2013, 06:04:01 PM
I think it was CU... But it really could be anyone.
Yeah, I think you're right on both counts.
I really should compile a "best of" thread.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 07, 2013, 06:04:44 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 07, 2013, 06:04:01 PM
I think it was CU... But it really could be anyone.
Yeah, I think you're right on both counts.
I really should compile a "best of" thread.
Between those and the psycho mails, there's a BOOK. A fat book with chapter notes and citations. :lulz:
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 07, 2013, 06:04:44 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 07, 2013, 06:04:01 PM
I think it was CU... But it really could be anyone.
Yeah, I think you're right on both counts.
I really should compile a "best of" thread.
YES.
Call it "The Song of My People".
I forgot about CU's epic, epic crazy butthurt post. :lulz:
So today I woke up and the power was out. For no reason. For two hours.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 07, 2013, 06:51:45 PM
So today I woke up and the power was out. For no reason. For two hours.
I was wondering where you were.
Oh, BTW, on the other site, I have Brian twisting in horrible little circles.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 07, 2013, 06:58:59 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 07, 2013, 06:51:45 PM
So today I woke up and the power was out. For no reason. For two hours.
I was wondering where you were.
Oh, BTW, on the other site, I have Brian twisting in horrible little circles.
:lulz: OMG that's awesome.
I have spent my entire morning dealing with my childrens' school, which apparently has the following policy for dealing with parents when the power is out:
A. Don't contact them at all.
B. When the kids call home on their cell phones, inform the parents that they aren't accepting phone calls to release the kids; parents need to come in and physically sign them out.
C. When parents go to sign them out, refuse to acknowledge them in any way.
Meanwhile, I am half a chapter behind in chemistry due to being ill. Which, BTW, is also why I'll be gone for the rest of the day: I will be making up a missed lab.
On the upside: My chemistry professor, who early in the term expressed skepticism about my readiness for the class, emailed me to tell me that I got an A on the exam, which of course I did, chemistry is easy, not like that devil Biology which spins my head.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 07, 2013, 07:48:18 PM
On the upside: My chemistry professor, who early in the term expressed skepticism about my readiness for the class, emailed me to tell me that I got an A on the exam,
Fuckin' toldja.
:banana:
Nigel can do ANYTHING.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 07, 2013, 09:43:43 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on November 07, 2013, 07:48:18 PM
On the upside: My chemistry professor, who early in the term expressed skepticism about my readiness for the class, emailed me to tell me that I got an A on the exam,
Fuckin' toldja.
:banana:
Nigel can do ANYTHING.
:lulz: