http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/05/17500450-nelson-mandela-dead-at-95
QuoteNelson Mandela, the revered South African anti-apartheid icon who spent 27 years in prison, led his country to democracy and became its first black president, died Thursday at home. He was 95.
"He is now resting," said South African President Jacob Zuma. "He is now at peace."
"Our nation as lost his greatest son," he continued. "Our people have lost their father."
A state funeral will be held.
:sad:
Oh shit...
Dying at home at 95 isn't too shabby. He did everything well.
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on December 06, 2013, 01:11:16 AM
Dying at home at 95 isn't too shabby. He did everything well.
Yep. Well done, that man.
Or, as the UK news put it..."Nelson Mandela is....DEAD!" Try not to sound too happy about it, OK?
I'm expecting a lot of hypocrisy, as our very own Young Conservatives used to chant "Hang Nelson Mandela" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_Conservative_Students#Political_stance), before getting into mainstream politics.
What bothers me is the grief porn and hyperbole.
Example:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25254578
QuoteThe Queen has said she is "deeply saddened" to learn of Nelson Mandela's death and has sent her "sincere condolences to his family and to the people of South Africa".
A statement from Buckingham Palace said: "Her Majesty remembers with great warmth her meetings with Mr Mandela".
"He worked tirelessly for the good of his country, and his legacy is the peaceful South Africa we see today".
Fucking really?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa
QuoteSouth Africa also has a high record of car hijackings when compared with industrialised countries
QuoteThe country has one of the highest rates of rape in the world,
QuotePricewaterhouseCoopers's fourth biennial Global Economic Crime Survey reported a 110% increase in fraud reports from South African companies in 2005.
QuoteCrime is a prominent issue in South Africa. South Africa has a very high rate of murders, assaults, rapes (adult, child and infant), and other crimes compared to most countries
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Wikipedia is full of liberal bias though. Lets try the news:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/12/02/uk-safrica-crime-idUKBRE9B10LJ20131202
QuoteA Czech gold and diamond dealer who has been evading police for eight years was charged with a gangland-style attempted murder and kidnapping in a South African court on Monday.
Radovan Krejcir, 45, who is also wanted in the Czech Republic on multiple counts of fraud, pleaded not guilty as he applied for bail, and alleged he had been tortured with electric shocks while in police custody.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/11/south-africa-fight-decent-housing-assassination
QuoteThe state is so threatened by the poor – especially the organised poor, the strong poor – that it has abandoned the rule of law. A politics of blood has replaced the politics of peace. The police have been militarised, and municipalities are setting up militarised units to stop land occupations. We have been evicted, driven from our homes by party thugs, beaten, tortured and shot by the police. Nqobile Nzuza, a 17-year-old schoolgirl, lies in her grave, shot in the back of her head on 30 September. Witnesses allege that she was shot by a senior police officer, but no arrest has been made. Nkululeko Gwala died after being hit by 12 bullets on 25 June. Thembinkosi Qumbelo was gunned down on 15 March. All these murders happened in one community, Cato Crest.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/udoka-okafor/corrective-rape-in-south-africa_b_4292271.html
QuoteThe problem, though, is that there seems to be a gap in South Africa between the legal realm and the sociocultural realm. And in this gap appears the phenomenon known as "corrective" rape. Corrective rape is a phenomenon wherein a homosexual person is raped as a means of "correcting" their sexual orientation. In most cases, the victims are black lesbians. This phenomenon takes place in other countries as well, but for the purposes of this post I'm focusing on South Africa.
http://womennewsnetwork.net/2013/12/02/violence-against-women-ignored/
QuoteJohannesburg, SOUTH AFRICA: In April 2012, a cell phone video of a teenager with an intellectual disability being gang raped by men and boys from her community in Soweto went viral. Authorities had no choice but to attend to the 17-year-old's ordeal, so too, South Africans had to acknowledge the violence that so many women and girls with disabilities face on a daily basis.
This was not the first time men had abused the young girl. She had also experienced violence in 2009 and 2010, but authorities failed to address these instances and make arrests. One wonders whether police would have seen to her case, had her ordeal not been filmed and shared so publicly. Over a year later, the accused still await trial, while charges have been dropped against one of the eight alleged perpetrators.
Yeah, South Africa's fine and Mandela fixed everything. Or there's still a shitload of things to fix and now no one will give a shit because one of the few names they could actually associate with South Africa is now dead. I can't help but think that shit's going to get a lot worse in some respects there. Remember, this is a country that recently sold flame throwing briefcases as an anti-mugging measure. There's a ton of stuff around about skin bleaching and the popularity it still holds in higher circles in SA. Not that long ago there was also the boxer who tried skin bleaching with unfortunate yet foreseeable consequences.
Pretending racism and violence is no longer a problem in South Africa is delusional at best. Yet watch what pretty much every me-centred tribute comes out with.
I think a lot of media types are overcompensating for the 80s, when they were warning that Mandela was a Soviet agent and should he ever be released, he would slaughter South African whites in a genocide.
That was pretty embarrassing.
Here's something I just found out about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_security_industry_in_South_Africa
QuoteThe private security industry in South Africa is the largest in the world,[2] with nearly 9,000 registered companies and 400,000 registered active private security guards, more than the South African police and army combined.[3]
I'm sure everyone involved in this industry is an upstanding citizen and there in no hidden violence or corruption involved.
Behold, the future.
Quote from: Cain on December 06, 2013, 10:04:45 AM
I think a lot of media types are overcompensating for the 80s, when they were warning that Mandela was a Soviet agent and should he ever be released, he would slaughter South African whites in a genocide.
That was pretty embarrassing.
You're probably quite right. I just don't understand this need to dive to one end of the spectrum and pretend everything's fine when in reality things are very, very fucked.
There's been a lot of resentment for a while about SA getting aid from the UK. I suspect that this "All's Well" shit will be used shortly as justification to reduce/limit any assistance. Takes a few votes from UKIP at least by talking about it.
I suspect it's also an attempt to sanitize his legacy, a la Martin Luther King.
After all, he did try an armed insurgency, and he has been quite critical of capitalism and US foreign policy (but I repeat myself).
Well, this is nice. Ted Cruz posts about Mandela on FB. The commenters go full potato(e) (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/06/1260642/-Ted-Cruz-posts-Mandela-tribute-on-Facebook-His-fans-go-crazy#)
Ah, internet comments. Truly a shining example of humanity.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 06, 2013, 04:44:39 PM
Well, this is nice. Ted Cruz posts about Mandela on FB. The commenters go full potato(e) (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/06/1260642/-Ted-Cruz-posts-Mandela-tribute-on-Facebook-His-fans-go-crazy#)
Ah, internet comments. Truly a shining example of humanity.
You're not surprised by this, are you?
I'm slightly surprised Ted Cruz said something nice about Mandela, actually. The commenters? To be expected.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 06, 2013, 06:44:27 PM
I'm slightly surprised Ted Cruz said something nice about Mandela, actually. The commenters? To be expected.
Cruz is just doing what every politician does, showing face when somebody important dies.
sorry, had to post this
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Quote from: Cramulus on December 06, 2013, 07:15:12 PM
sorry, had to post this
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:lulz:
He was a terrorist and was directly responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians. And are we gonna pretend that South Africa is actually a better place to live now since the end of Apartheid? Lmfao..
People are stupid.
Quote from: carnival on December 06, 2013, 11:13:36 PM
He was a terrorist and was directly responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians. And are we gonna pretend that South Africa is actually a better place to live now since the end of Apartheid? Lmfao..
People are stupid.
Apartheid was better?
Quote from: Suu on December 07, 2013, 01:28:25 AM
Quote from: carnival on December 06, 2013, 11:13:36 PM
He was a terrorist and was directly responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians. And are we gonna pretend that South Africa is actually a better place to live now since the end of Apartheid? Lmfao..
People are stupid.
Apartheid was better?
Apparently. I feel educated, don't you?
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on December 07, 2013, 02:16:34 AM
Quote from: Suu on December 07, 2013, 01:28:25 AM
Quote from: carnival on December 06, 2013, 11:13:36 PM
He was a terrorist and was directly responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians. And are we gonna pretend that South Africa is actually a better place to live now since the end of Apartheid? Lmfao..
People are stupid.
Apartheid was better?
Apparently. I feel educated, don't you?
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Quote from: Suu on December 07, 2013, 01:28:25 AM
Apartheid was better?
The quality of life of South Africa was better under apartheid, yes.
Quote from: carnival on December 07, 2013, 08:46:25 AM
Quote from: Suu on December 07, 2013, 01:28:25 AM
Apartheid was better?
The quality of life of South Africa was better under apartheid, yes.
Right, right, basic human rights < safety.
Just think about what would happen if US prisons didn't just house as many black people as they can shove in.
Crate and Barrel will be overrun by hooligans, is what.
Quote from: carnival on December 06, 2013, 11:13:36 PM
He was a terrorist and was directly responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians.
Only half the story. The M plan devised by Mandela was meant to be a campaign of attacking government buildings alongside a rural guerrilla warfare campaign, and was directly designed not to kill civilians. Some deaths did occur. of course, once violence is chosen, death is always going to happen intentionally or not.
QuoteAnd are we gonna pretend that South Africa is actually a better place to live now since the end of Apartheid? Lmfao..
People are stupid.
Well, given the policy of apartheid and the brutal oppression that it engendered led directly to the formation of the military ams of the ANC and PAC, which in turn caused even greater state oppression, spiralling violence, terrorism and torture, external military campaigns, internal purges and the targeting of those deemed "insufficiently pure" to the cause on both sides...yeah.
Sure South Africa's still a shithole, but when you have largely unresolved racial tensions and a huge amount of wealth in the hands of a very few people, that's what happens.
But I'm sure you'll be right along to prove people are stupid by saying crime in South Africa now is worse than the 1980s state of emergencies and the mass killings that were associated with them.
Quote from: carnival on December 07, 2013, 08:46:25 AM
Quote from: Suu on December 07, 2013, 01:28:25 AM
Apartheid was better?
The quality of life of South Africa was better under apartheid, yes.
Because black people are not human, and so life in the townships don't count.
Quote from: carnival on December 07, 2013, 08:46:25 AM
The quality of life of South Africa was better under apartheid, yes.
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sTw6yiiB6js/TewOfKw7QYI/AAAAAAAABUw/wCsujWp83Xo/s400/wicked_mullet.jpg)
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on December 07, 2013, 08:45:10 PM
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:lulz: You wish.
And as for the people quoting me, you are free to move to South Africa and enjoy their human rights. :wink:
A wise spag once said:
Glibness is not the same as cleverness,
Put another way:
Is that seriously all you've got? That's point and counterpoint, is it?
Look, go away. You haven't got anything to add to this discussion aside from your eventual flip out and butthurt.
Quote from: Suu on December 07, 2013, 01:28:25 AM
Quote from: carnival on December 06, 2013, 11:13:36 PM
He was a terrorist and was directly responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians. And are we gonna pretend that South Africa is actually a better place to live now since the end of Apartheid? Lmfao..
People are stupid.
Apartheid was better?
Probably not...
Quote
The South African farming community has suffered from attacks for many years. According to interviews by apprehended suspects these attacks are a way for black people to express their anger for the many years they were oppressed by the whites.[1] The majority of the attackers have been young blacks, and the majority of the victims have been white Afrikaner farmers, with claims of death tolls of more than 4,000 cited in the national and international media.[2][3] While the government describes the attacks as simply part of the bigger picture of crime in South Africa, white campaigners point to brutal attacks and incidents involving self-declared anti-white motivations as evidence of a campaign to drive them off their land.[4]
The ANC government has responded to the farm murders by disbanding the Commandos, a rural self-defence network which protected against and responded to attacks. The disbandment of the Commandos has been linked to the escalating level of farm attacks.[5] In 2010, the issue garnered greater international attention in light of the murder of the far-right political figure Eugène Terre'Blanche on his farm.[6]
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The ANC government has responded to the farm murders by disbanding the Commandos, a rural self-defence network which protected against and responded to attacks. The disbandment of the Commandos has been linked to the escalating level of farm attacks.[5] In 2010, the issue garnered greater international attention in light of the murder of the far-right political figure Eugène Terre'Blanche on his farm.[6]
Quote
The ANC government has responded to the farm murders by disbanding the Commandos, a rural self-defence network which protected against and responded to attacks. The disbandment of the Commandos has been linked to the escalating level of farm attacks.[5]
Quote
The ANC government has responded to the farm murders by disbanding the Commandos, a rural self-defence network which protected against and responded to attacks.
Quote
The ANC government
...but Mr.Mandela's party is doing wonders to prevent violence against their citezenry by...disbanding their defense networks?
I think that one thing that some people are failing to look critically at when they compare the Apartheid conditions of South Africa with the post-Apartheid conditions, and indeed anytime any permutation of the words "Africa was better off under colonial rule" are written, spoken, or thought, is that we know from history that colonial rule creates this kind of violent, conflicted reality, and that it is almost an inevitable aftermath of colonialism. Much like beating and abusing a child may create a sociopath, disrupting and oppressing a culture creates a fragmented, damaged culture with sociopathic elements.
We KNOW the damage that colonialism and occupation wreak. They create profoundly complicated situations that will take centuries to correct, if they are correctable. There is no simple answer.
Quote from: von on December 09, 2013, 03:15:42 AM
Quote from: Suu on December 07, 2013, 01:28:25 AM
Quote from: carnival on December 06, 2013, 11:13:36 PM
He was a terrorist and was directly responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians. And are we gonna pretend that South Africa is actually a better place to live now since the end of Apartheid? Lmfao..
People are stupid.
Apartheid was better?
Probably not...
Quote
The South African farming community has suffered from attacks for many years. According to interviews by apprehended suspects these attacks are a way for black people to express their anger for the many years they were oppressed by the whites.[1] The majority of the attackers have been young blacks, and the majority of the victims have been white Afrikaner farmers, with claims of death tolls of more than 4,000 cited in the national and international media.[2][3] While the government describes the attacks as simply part of the bigger picture of crime in South Africa, white campaigners point to brutal attacks and incidents involving self-declared anti-white motivations as evidence of a campaign to drive them off their land.[4]
The ANC government has responded to the farm murders by disbanding the Commandos, a rural self-defence network which protected against and responded to attacks. The disbandment of the Commandos has been linked to the escalating level of farm attacks.[5] In 2010, the issue garnered greater international attention in light of the murder of the far-right political figure Eugène Terre'Blanche on his farm.[6]
Quote
The ANC government has responded to the farm murders by disbanding the Commandos, a rural self-defence network which protected against and responded to attacks. The disbandment of the Commandos has been linked to the escalating level of farm attacks.[5] In 2010, the issue garnered greater international attention in light of the murder of the far-right political figure Eugène Terre'Blanche on his farm.[6]
Quote
The ANC government has responded to the farm murders by disbanding the Commandos, a rural self-defence network which protected against and responded to attacks. The disbandment of the Commandos has been linked to the escalating level of farm attacks.[5]
Quote
The ANC government has responded to the farm murders by disbanding the Commandos, a rural self-defence network which protected against and responded to attacks.
Quote
The ANC government
...but Mr.Mandela's party is doing wonders to prevent violence against their citezenry by...disbanding their defense networks?
QuoteThe system was phased out between 2003 and 2008 "because of the role it played in the apartheid era", according to the Minister of Safety and Security Charles Nqakula.[10] In 2005 then-Minister of Defence Mousioua Lekota explained that the process was "driven partly to counter racist elements within some of commandos, but also because of constitutional issues."[11] This followed growing pressure after incidents of ongoing abuse of power were reported.[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Commando_System
Hmmm. Something smells off about that to me. Ill be researching what aspects of the commandos were so condemned, but something remains true: people are being brutally slaughtered because the government disbanded their most effective line of defense and has failed to replace it. Even mandela himself thought it best to use the commandos in conjunction with the police...
As for your psychopathic child metaphor; I like it...ill need to spend time thinking about this metaphor.
Mandela and his party had some significant disagreements. Mandela was of the view that racism from the black majority against whites would not solve anything, and in fact only create conditions whereby apartheid would become more popular again (especially since his financial restructuring plan had been blocked by international agencies, meaning most wealth in South Africa is still in the hands of the white minority).
The ANC, on the other hand, think they can pull a Mugabe, and so long as the violence remains deniable, they can proceed by a plan to redistribute land and wealth by stealth and force. They see that as the least worst option, because the disparities in wealth are vast and structural in South Africa, an artifact from the colonial administration and then the apartheid regime. Given the ANC have a Marxist grounding in their ideological worldview, they see this structural background as both the precursor to racial domination and a driving force for it.
There is also a certain element of revenge in the support of this plan, at least from some ANC politicians. I also think it's not an especially well-thought out plan, because if you wanted to go after South African wealth, you'd be looking at seizing De Beers and Gold Fields first. Of course, neither scare as easily as farmers, and have much more wealth...enough to make things messy should the ANC ever look at nationalization, either in law or by stealth.
Hmmm. If I'm reading you right, cain, then basically:
Mandela was a decent idealistic commie who just wanted to see his nation thrive under the banner of self-rule and racial equality who happened to not get the benefit of a bloodless revolution.
The ANC on the other hand is a bunch of kulak-killers who are going to cause more resentment and racial tension than good for their nation.
If this is an adequate summary, then I can say that, although I don't much like communism, I can understand mandela and can see that all of this "he's a terrorist" stuff is a bit biased...
...because the ANC is a bunch of people who, although I cannot ethically blame them for their actions, are performing an example of "doing it wrong".
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 09, 2013, 03:41:14 AM
I think that one thing that some people are failing to look critically at when they compare the Apartheid conditions of South Africa with the post-Apartheid conditions, and indeed anytime any permutation of the words "Africa was better off under colonial rule" are written, spoken, or thought, is that we know from history that colonial rule creates this kind of violent, conflicted reality, and that it is almost an inevitable aftermath of colonialism. Much like beating and abusing a child may create a sociopath, disrupting and oppressing a culture creates a fragmented, damaged culture with sociopathic elements.
We KNOW the damage that colonialism and occupation wreak. They create profoundly complicated situations that will take centuries to correct, if they are correctable. There is no simple answer.
Totally not true. Look at scotland. We were colonised and we're a model of peaceful happy rainbow joy :argh!:
Yeah, more or less.
I mean, Mandela certainly did advocate armed resistance, but it was quite limited. And his time in prison considerably softened him. He realised national reconciliation was the absolute priority of the South African government, and that couldn't be secured without white support, and the white population of South Africa being protected from reprisals.
I wouldn't quite characterize the ANC as kulak-killers, though there is an element of that in the party. They're quite a broad tent, the ANC, and you have factions of African nationalists, social democrats, hard line Marxists etc. There is also significant corruption, personified by the likes of Jacob Zuma, who somehow manages to combine that with some odd religious views and significant authoritarianism.
Desmond Tutu says he can no longer vote for the ANC, which should give you a good idea of where the party is at.
Tutu seems like a pretty based dude, and/but I can totally why he doesn't like the ANC -- he's been an anti communist since before apartheid ended. Still, I think imma spend a good week reading about sub-saharan politics and history. Africa has always been a blind spot for me.
I am so glad we have Cain in on this, because he's really helping clarifying things, and I'm learning a lot. :)
Agreed. Much appreciated man.
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 09, 2013, 03:41:14 AM
I think that one thing that some people are failing to look critically at when they compare the Apartheid conditions of South Africa with the post-Apartheid conditions, and indeed anytime any permutation of the words "Africa was better off under colonial rule" are written, spoken, or thought, is that we know from history that colonial rule creates this kind of violent, conflicted reality, and that it is almost an inevitable aftermath of colonialism. Much like beating and abusing a child may create a sociopath, disrupting and oppressing a culture creates a fragmented, damaged culture with sociopathic elements.
We KNOW the damage that colonialism and occupation wreak. They create profoundly complicated situations that will take centuries to correct, if they are correctable. There is no simple answer.
Very well said.
Quote from: carnival on December 07, 2013, 08:46:25 AM
Quote from: Suu on December 07, 2013, 01:28:25 AM
Apartheid was better?
The quality of life of South Africa was better under apartheid, yes.
For White people. The smudgy ones don't count.
There kind of a poetic justice that Newt Gingrich, arguably one of the guys who started the whole ultra-partisan, scorched-earth political scene in congress, is now reaping what he sowed by saying nice things about Mandela.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/08/newt-gingrich-nelson-mandela_n_4408351.html
Yeah, huffpo, but what the hell.
Quote from: carnival on December 10, 2013, 06:51:04 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 09, 2013, 06:46:25 PM
For White people. The smudgy ones don't count.
Boo hoo.
Please feel free to fuck off until you're able to make an actual point.
1/10 - No effort, no imagination.
Quote from: carnival on December 10, 2013, 06:51:04 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 09, 2013, 06:46:25 PM
For White people. The smudgy ones don't count.
Boo hoo.
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Yeah...I get your sentiment...SA objectively did have a higher GDP and lower crime rate under colonial rule. With its commando system intact, it also contributed less to regional instability by employing the (white) people who now dick around for whoever pays in shitholes like zimbabwe or wherever.
Lets really think though..."boo hoo". 9/10 for getting me to reply mate.
Now lets look at why SA is shit for real: dat commie economy. ANP are a bunch of marxists...if we know anything about marxist states, its that they're terrible at running an economy...so no shit they have.lower GDP. I know! It would have been better if ultra nationalist capitalist blacks got command of the nation! Stronger economy, totalitarian police force keeping shit in line -- KZs to gas all those whites in as punishment for usurping the nation. Totally a better nation that way.
Quote from: von on December 10, 2013, 08:51:32 AM
Yeah...I get your sentiment...SA objectively did have a higher GDP and lower crime rate under colonial rule. With its commando system intact, it also contributed less to regional instability by employing the (white) people who now dick around for whoever pays in shitholes like zimbabwe or wherever.
Lets really think though..."boo hoo". 9/10 for getting me to reply mate.
Now lets look at why SA is shit for real: dat commie economy. ANP are a bunch of marxists...if we know anything about marxist states, its that they're terrible at running an economy...so no shit they have.lower GDP. I know! It would have been better if ultra nationalist capitalist blacks got command of the nation! Stronger economy, totalitarian police force keeping shit in line -- KZs to gas all those whites in as punishment for usurping the nation. Totally a better nation that way.
[wit]At least the trains would run on time[/wit]
I'm just going to leave this here:
http://www.policymic.com/articles/76067/no-joke-westboro-baptist-church-plans-to-protest-at-nelson-mandela-s-funeral
QuoteThe news: Westboro Baptist Church announced on Twitter that they are going to be protesting Nelson Mandela's funeral. Seriously.
The group, which has attracted attention in the past for protesting the funerals of Sandy Hook victims, fallen soldiers, and even "Fast and the Furious" star Paul Walker, tweeted that they were buying plane tickets to South Africa
Carry on.
Quote from: carnival on December 10, 2013, 06:51:04 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 09, 2013, 06:46:25 PM
For White people. The smudgy ones don't count.
Boo hoo.
It's always nice when the people who never, ever want to be taken seriously on any subject just come right out and say so. Thanks, Carnival. I now know not to waste any time on you.
So helpful.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 10, 2013, 02:42:39 PM
So helpful.
When I start the new intro thread, I'll be asking people to please state their racial issues, etc, in their signatures. Like a sign, you know, that will tell us all WHAT without the tedium of actually having to read their knuckle-dragging bullshit.
That would certainly speed up the process.
PD: Building efficiencies, one half-assed troll at a time.
Quote from: Junkenstein on December 10, 2013, 02:17:22 PM
I'm just going to leave this here:
http://www.policymic.com/articles/76067/no-joke-westboro-baptist-church-plans-to-protest-at-nelson-mandela-s-funeral
QuoteThe news: Westboro Baptist Church announced on Twitter that they are going to be protesting Nelson Mandela's funeral. Seriously.
The group, which has attracted attention in the past for protesting the funerals of Sandy Hook victims, fallen soldiers, and even "Fast and the Furious" star Paul Walker, tweeted that they were buying plane tickets to South Africa
Carry on.
I don't predict that this is going to go very well for them. :lol:
Quote from: carnival on December 10, 2013, 06:51:04 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 09, 2013, 06:46:25 PM
For White people. The smudgy ones don't count.
Boo hoo.
Thanks for coming right out and saying you're a racist piece of shit; it saves us all a little time.
I wish I could be all "thanks for making it clear that you're worthless" but I thought we were all on the same page about that from the moment carnival started talking. Should I have sent out a memo?
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 10, 2013, 03:19:10 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 10, 2013, 02:42:39 PM
So helpful.
When I start the new intro thread, I'll be asking people to please state their racial issues, etc, in their signatures. Like a sign, you know, that will tell us all WHAT without the tedium of actually having to read their knuckle-dragging bullshit.
Can the new intro thread include Nigel's "identify your privileges" thing as well? Handle everything right from the get-go.
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 10, 2013, 06:30:14 PM
Thanks for coming right out and saying you're a racist piece of shit; it saves us all a little time.
Everyone is a little racist. And hey, I like people of all races, I know there are decent black people out there, I've met some. I just don't think they can be expected to run their own affairs, as a rule.
You guys are too sensitive, lol.
Can we actually pledge and stick to it for this one instead of wasting the limited posting time many of us seem to have on entertaining idiots?
Quote from: Pæs on December 10, 2013, 09:37:29 PM
Can we actually pledge and stick to it for this one instead of wasting the limited posting time many of us seem to have on entertaining idiots?
Yes.
Quote from: carnival on December 10, 2013, 09:25:43 PM
I just don't think Black people can be expected to run their own affairs, as a rule.
Would you care to elaborate?
Who should run their affairs instead?
What arguments do you have that these affairs-runners-extraordinaire are superior?
Let's logic this out shall we?
Quote from: Hoopla on December 10, 2013, 09:45:11 PM
Quote from: Pæs on December 10, 2013, 09:37:29 PM
Can we actually pledge and stick to it for this one instead of wasting the limited posting time many of us seem to have on entertaining idiots?
Yes.
I won't pledge yet, i'm fascinated by this kind of thinking.
Quote from: :regret: on December 10, 2013, 09:46:40 PM
Quote from: carnival on December 10, 2013, 09:25:43 PM
I just don't think Black people can be expected to run their own affairs, as a rule.
Would you care to elaborate?
Who should run their affairs instead?
What arguments do you have that these affairs-runners-extraordinaire are superior?
Let's logic this out shall we?
Quote from: Hoopla on December 10, 2013, 09:45:11 PM
Quote from: Pæs on December 10, 2013, 09:37:29 PM
Can we actually pledge and stick to it for this one instead of wasting the limited posting time many of us seem to have on entertaining idiots?
Yes.
I won't pledge yet, i'm fascinated by this kind of thinking.
AH HATE YEW. :crankey:
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 11, 2013, 12:47:48 AM
Quote from: :regret: on December 10, 2013, 09:46:40 PM
Quote from: carnival on December 10, 2013, 09:25:43 PM
I just don't think Black people can be expected to run their own affairs, as a rule.
Would you care to elaborate?
Who should run their affairs instead?
What arguments do you have that these affairs-runners-extraordinaire are superior?
Let's logic this out shall we?
Quote from: Hoopla on December 10, 2013, 09:45:11 PM
Quote from: Pæs on December 10, 2013, 09:37:29 PM
Can we actually pledge and stick to it for this one instead of wasting the limited posting time many of us seem to have on entertaining idiots?
Yes.
I won't pledge yet, i'm fascinated by this kind of thinking.
AH HATE YEW. :crankey:
:lulz:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/9504315/Deaf-outraged-at-Mandela-service
Quote@SarangaComics fake interpreter on stage at the Nelson Mandela Memorial Service. Just some random person flapping arms about. See tweets.
Quote from: Pæs on December 11, 2013, 01:13:16 AM
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/9504315/Deaf-outraged-at-Mandela-service
Quote@SarangaComics fake interpreter on stage at the Nelson Mandela Memorial Service. Just some random person flapping arms about. See tweets.
Quote
I just don't think they can be expected to run their own affairs, as a rule.
Well...I, um. This is hilarious. :lulz:
What the fuuuuuck :lol:
Quote from: von on December 11, 2013, 02:18:12 AM
Quote from: Pæs on December 11, 2013, 01:13:16 AM
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/9504315/Deaf-outraged-at-Mandela-service
Quote@SarangaComics fake interpreter on stage at the Nelson Mandela Memorial Service. Just some random person flapping arms about. See tweets.
Quote
I just don't think they can be expected to run their own affairs, as a rule.
Well...I, um. This is hilarious. :lulz:
:lulz: :argh!:
Quote from: carnival on December 10, 2013, 09:25:43 PM
I just don't think they can be expected to run their own affairs, as a rule.
The Scientologists think the same thing about you, Bucko.
And I think the same kind of thing about everyone.
Quote from: carnival on December 10, 2013, 09:25:43 PM
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 10, 2013, 06:30:14 PM
Thanks for coming right out and saying you're a racist piece of shit; it saves us all a little time.
Everyone is a little racist. And hey, I like people of all races, I know there are decent black people out there, I've met some. I just don't think they can be expected to run their own affairs, as a rule.
You guys are too sensitive, lol.
:troll:
Quote from: Cain on December 11, 2013, 05:15:25 PM
And I think the same kind of thing about everyone.
:lulz: Cain has found the loophole out of the discrimination trap.
Quote from: Pæs on December 11, 2013, 01:13:16 AM
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/9504315/Deaf-outraged-at-Mandela-service
Quote@SarangaComics fake interpreter on stage at the Nelson Mandela Memorial Service. Just some random person flapping arms about. See tweets.
It continues:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25345627
QuoteThe owners of the firm which supplied a "fake" sign language interpreter to the Mandela memorial event have vanished, a South African minister has said.
Hendrietta Bogopane-Zulu apologised to the deaf community for the poor quality of interpretation given by Thamsanqa Dyantyi from SA Interpreters.
"He is Xhosa speaking. The English was a bit too much for him," she said.
Mr Dyantyi himself has blamed his flawed interpretation on a schizophrenic episode.
He also admitted he has been violent in the past.
Wow.
After a certain point, I am thinking, just SHUT UP.
Quote from: Cain on December 11, 2013, 05:15:25 PM
And I think the same kind of thing about everyone.
Seconded. Including myself. Wait, doubly so for myself.
Beautiful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHHjP7XrBq0
Seen on facebook. Troll or DERP?
(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9352/l6a1.jpg)
I strongly suspect troll.
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on December 21, 2013, 06:43:26 PM
Seen on facebook. Troll or DERP?
(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9352/l6a1.jpg)
Is it bad that I find it funny?
No, I suspect Mandela himself might LOL if he could see it.
You need this kind of stuff, or shit gets too solemn and reverent.
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on December 21, 2013, 08:07:12 PM
No, I suspect Mandela himself might LOL if he could see it.
You need this kind of stuff, or shit gets too solemn and reverent.
Yeah, that YouTube link I posted of the tribute done by the Soweto Gospel Choir got me in the feels. Light trollery is the perfect balance to all the heaviness.
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on December 21, 2013, 06:43:26 PM
Seen on facebook. Troll or DERP?
(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9352/l6a1.jpg)
Wtf? That's not even Nelson Mandela.. That's Will Smith.
Quote from: carnival on December 22, 2013, 07:19:57 AM
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on December 21, 2013, 06:43:26 PM
Seen on facebook. Troll or DERP?
(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9352/l6a1.jpg)
Wtf? That's not even Nelson Mandela.. That's Will Smith.
:lulz:
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on December 21, 2013, 09:09:36 AM
Beautiful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHHjP7XrBq0
Ahhhh that made me cry. It was lovely.