http://bitelabs.org/
Fantastic. I'm not entirely sure if that's for the right reasons or wrong reasons though. This is the future I've been telling you all about.
Why I cannot tells between satire and reality anymore? :eek:
Quote from: The Johnny on May 31, 2014, 06:06:54 AM
Why I cannot tells between satire and reality anymore? :eek:
Is life.
Is assfucking life.
The fact that Kanye is in there gives it a sense of legitimacy.
Longpig! This is the future that Warren Ellis promised us and long may it continue :fap:
FAP FAP FAP
:lulz:
This used to say things, but now it's just adorable.
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Magic
Pump the brakes on that first one, Raz.
Yeahhhhh.... That's not cool
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on May 31, 2014, 05:26:20 PM
Pump the brakes on that first one, Raz.
I see what you did there. :wink:
NOPENOPENOPENOPE
And Lawrence should be cheese and crackers. Because she's all white and shit.
You guys are touchy about weird stuff.
Quote from: Raz Tech on May 31, 2014, 05:56:41 PM
And Lawrence should be cheese and crackers. Because she's all white and shit.
You guys are touchy about weird stuff.
If by weird stuff you mean a blatant stereotype....
Quote from: Ållnephew Tvýðleþøn on May 31, 2014, 06:05:00 PM
Quote from: Raz Tech on May 31, 2014, 05:56:41 PM
And Lawrence should be cheese and crackers. Because she's all white and shit.
You guys are touchy about weird stuff.
If by weird stuff you mean a blatant stereotype....
Exactly
Raz succeeded at being worse than a website promoting cannibalism. I'm sure he's proud.
:drama1:
Raz, you'll find that we may be assholes, but we have this thing about racism, sexism, and homophobia.
Call it a quirk.
okay. I'll come out and say that I apologize. I didn't realize that these things were triggers for people here, and while I don't personally find random stereotypes to be particularly racist, I can see why some people feel that way. I'll be sure to mind my manners on the subject in the future.
Cool. Thanks.
I wouldn't consider out a trigger so much as something that's not generally considered appropriate on any context. Anyway it would have been funnier if you said whatever he was slugging back when he interrupted Taylor swift.
Quote from: Raz Tech on May 31, 2014, 07:17:44 PM
okay. I'll come out and say that I apologize. I didn't realize that these things were triggers for people here, and while I don't personally find random stereotypes to be particularly racist, I can see why some people feel that way. I'll be sure to mind my manners on the subject in the future.
There's a hair trigger on the outrage cannon on certain specific issues on this forum and yeah, you don't want to go there. Especially not while you're still being assessed for acceptance into the hivemind :wink:
Can it, you filthy Scotsman.
but, yeah, everybody gets a free pass on hating the tartan contingent :argh!:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 31, 2014, 07:50:00 PM
but, yeah, everybody gets a free pass on hating the tartan contingent :argh!:
You get it just as much as anyone else with an ethnicity between Britain and Hibernia. Except those fucking Welsh.
It's all Belgium, anyway.
Quote from: The Johnny on May 31, 2014, 06:06:54 AM
Why I cannot tells between satire and reality anymore? :eek:
Is satire. Delicious, delicious satire.
Quote from: Raz Tech on May 31, 2014, 07:17:44 PM
okay. I'll come out and say that I apologize. I didn't realize that these things were triggers for people here, and while I don't personally find random stereotypes to be particularly racist, I can see why some people feel that way. I'll be sure to mind my manners on the subject in the future.
You really are doing rather well you know.
A paranoid man might suspect a particularly skilled long troll.
Quote from: Junkenstein on May 31, 2014, 11:29:37 PM
Quote from: Raz Tech on May 31, 2014, 07:17:44 PM
okay. I'll come out and say that I apologize. I didn't realize that these things were triggers for people here, and while I don't personally find random stereotypes to be particularly racist, I can see why some people feel that way. I'll be sure to mind my manners on the subject in the future.
You really are doing rather well you know.
A paranoid man might suspect a particularly skilled long troll.
Not sure how to feel about that. I can tell you I don't have the patience for lengthy trolling though, so take that as you wish.
Quote from: All-Father Nigel on May 31, 2014, 09:32:18 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on May 31, 2014, 06:06:54 AM
Why I cannot tells between satire and reality anymore? :eek:
Is satire. Delicious, delicious satire.
Allegedly not:
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-guy-who-want-to-sell-you-salami-made-out-of-james-franco-are-100-serious
QuoteI'll post the entirety of "Kevin's" emails below, because why not:
Our team is deeply interested in food-culture, celebrity & media as well as thinking about the future. Other than highlighting bioethical issues, we are also interested in the way celebrity culture is consumed and hope that there is some kind of back-handed commentary on that. To develop Celebrity Meat, we're working with a group of bio-engineers and food designers, most of which have requested to remain anonymous due to the controversial nature of the product.
As for our current campaign, we are hoping to generate celebrity interest and involvement so that we can develop a prototype with celebrity meat. In-vitro meat has the potential to revolutionize the meat industry, with both environmental, animal rights, and eventually economic benefits. We hope that our campaigning efforts will confront people with the very real possibility of a lab-grown meat future.
As for the response, all I can say is that twitter is blowing up, and we've been blown away. We estimate BiteLabs has been tweeted about over 3000 times in the past 24 hours, and our site has gotten some 100,000 views at the time of this writing. I believe Jennifer Lawrence and James Franco are pretty neck and neck in terms of who has been tweeted at the most. We've gotten some responses from people offering us biopsies, but no one on the level of our big 4 yet. Most of the responses have been very positive, but of course some people are a bit uncomfortable with idea of BiteLabs--we think that's only to be expected when we talk about pushing the boundaries of tech and society.
Again, thank you for your interest in BiteLabs!
Kevin from the BiteLabs Team
bitelabs.org
thndr.it/1o2dG6S
* * *
On the subject of seriousness - we're not sure what the market is for celebrity meat. We're in startup mode at the moment though - our first goal is to connect with our user-base and find celebrities interested in participating. BiteLabs is 100% serious in prompting widespread discussion about bioethics, lab-grown meats, and celebrity culture - this is very important to us. Making celebrity meat a reality from there will all depend on our ability to build a user-base.
We also think that prompting the cultural discussion around lab-grown meats and popular culture will acclimate people to the field. We're treating it as a cultural precursor for when our product eventually hits production.
The product is indeed salami. Each salami will have roughly 30% celebrity meat and 40% lab-grown animal meats (we're currently looking into ostrich and venison but it pork and beef are more popular in our early research). The rest will consist of fats and spices. This break-down comes from consultation with expert food designers and chefs.
Our process is very similar to existing methodologies used to make the Google Burger, just tailored to human muscle instead of cow. For more information, check out the 'process-learn more' section of our website.
It would be amazing to have lab meat in major retail outlets! Our early plans revolve around web distribution at the moment though.
If we receive major interest, we'll talk to investors, but we also think crowdfunding celebrity meat via Kickstarter might be a way for us to bootstrap.
We have reasons to remain anonymous at the moment due to the controversial nature of our product. We're a very small team right now (less than 5).
* * *
In terms of hard info, we are a recently formed startup that is trying to get off the ground to provoke a dialogue around what we see as an emerging market space. And while we are working full time on this, we don't want to misrepresent ourself as an established company that is prepared to bring a product to market.
We still feel like its too early to share anything personal. We understand that this generates a certain degree of skepticism and we're okay with that being expressed. Our primary goal right now is to create a public dialogue about around the potential for commercially available lab-grown meat.
If satire, I've seen worse and much more dull ways to attack celebrity culture.
If serious, it's the path to a horrifically hilarious future. "Side of latest pop star to go" territory. Considering some of our current cultural icons, I bet some would consider it if the money was right. I've no idea where the relative cost effectiveness and other issues currently stand with cloned meat beyond it's possible and has been done.
Either way, I'd expect more to come sooner or later.
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 01, 2014, 12:44:40 AM
Quote from: All-Father Nigel on May 31, 2014, 09:32:18 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on May 31, 2014, 06:06:54 AM
Why I cannot tells between satire and reality anymore? :eek:
Is satire. Delicious, delicious satire.
Allegedly not:
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-guy-who-want-to-sell-you-salami-made-out-of-james-franco-are-100-serious
QuoteI'll post the entirety of "Kevin's" emails below, because why not:
Our team is deeply interested in food-culture, celebrity & media as well as thinking about the future. Other than highlighting bioethical issues, we are also interested in the way celebrity culture is consumed and hope that there is some kind of back-handed commentary on that. To develop Celebrity Meat, we're working with a group of bio-engineers and food designers, most of which have requested to remain anonymous due to the controversial nature of the product.
As for our current campaign, we are hoping to generate celebrity interest and involvement so that we can develop a prototype with celebrity meat. In-vitro meat has the potential to revolutionize the meat industry, with both environmental, animal rights, and eventually economic benefits. We hope that our campaigning efforts will confront people with the very real possibility of a lab-grown meat future.
As for the response, all I can say is that twitter is blowing up, and we've been blown away. We estimate BiteLabs has been tweeted about over 3000 times in the past 24 hours, and our site has gotten some 100,000 views at the time of this writing. I believe Jennifer Lawrence and James Franco are pretty neck and neck in terms of who has been tweeted at the most. We've gotten some responses from people offering us biopsies, but no one on the level of our big 4 yet. Most of the responses have been very positive, but of course some people are a bit uncomfortable with idea of BiteLabs--we think that's only to be expected when we talk about pushing the boundaries of tech and society.
Again, thank you for your interest in BiteLabs!
Kevin from the BiteLabs Team
bitelabs.org
thndr.it/1o2dG6S
* * *
On the subject of seriousness - we're not sure what the market is for celebrity meat. We're in startup mode at the moment though - our first goal is to connect with our user-base and find celebrities interested in participating. BiteLabs is 100% serious in prompting widespread discussion about bioethics, lab-grown meats, and celebrity culture - this is very important to us. Making celebrity meat a reality from there will all depend on our ability to build a user-base.
We also think that prompting the cultural discussion around lab-grown meats and popular culture will acclimate people to the field. We're treating it as a cultural precursor for when our product eventually hits production.
The product is indeed salami. Each salami will have roughly 30% celebrity meat and 40% lab-grown animal meats (we're currently looking into ostrich and venison but it pork and beef are more popular in our early research). The rest will consist of fats and spices. This break-down comes from consultation with expert food designers and chefs.
Our process is very similar to existing methodologies used to make the Google Burger, just tailored to human muscle instead of cow. For more information, check out the 'process-learn more' section of our website.
It would be amazing to have lab meat in major retail outlets! Our early plans revolve around web distribution at the moment though.
If we receive major interest, we'll talk to investors, but we also think crowdfunding celebrity meat via Kickstarter might be a way for us to bootstrap.
We have reasons to remain anonymous at the moment due to the controversial nature of our product. We're a very small team right now (less than 5).
* * *
In terms of hard info, we are a recently formed startup that is trying to get off the ground to provoke a dialogue around what we see as an emerging market space. And while we are working full time on this, we don't want to misrepresent ourself as an established company that is prepared to bring a product to market.
We still feel like its too early to share anything personal. We understand that this generates a certain degree of skepticism and we're okay with that being expressed. Our primary goal right now is to create a public dialogue about around the potential for commercially available lab-grown meat.
If satire, I've seen worse and much more dull ways to attack celebrity culture.
If serious, it's the path to a horrifically hilarious future. "Side of latest pop star to go" territory. Considering some of our current cultural icons, I bet some would consider it if the money was right. I've no idea where the relative cost effectiveness and other issues currently stand with cloned meat beyond it's possible and has been done.
Either way, I'd expect more to come sooner or later.
:spittake:
What a mouthwatering development.
No, really, it's satire. It's totally excellent satire. For so many reasons I am pretty sure I went over the last time someone posted it, not least of which being the degree of totally illegal-and-not-gonna-get-legal it is to sell human cell tissue for consumption.
QuoteBiteLabs is 100% serious in prompting widespread discussion about bioethics, lab-grown meats, and celebrity culture - this is very important to us. Making celebrity meat a reality from there will all depend on our ability to build a user-base.
Quote from: All-Father Nigel on June 01, 2014, 03:49:20 AM
No, really, it's satire. It's totally excellent satire. For so many reasons I am pretty sure I went over the last time someone posted it, not least of which being the degree of totally illegal-and-not-gonna-get-legal it is to sell human cell tissue for consumption.
QuoteBiteLabs is 100% serious in prompting widespread discussion about bioethics, lab-grown meats, and celebrity culture - this is very important to us. Making celebrity meat a reality from there will all depend on our ability to build a user-base.
I don't recall it being posted here, if you don't mind restating some of the other reasons.
While I agree it's humorous, that doesn't exclude it from also being designed as a market research tool for selling lab grown
animal meats.
It's a classic door-in-the-face technique.
Quote from: Net (+ 1 Hidden) on June 01, 2014, 07:01:49 PM
Quote from: All-Father Nigel on June 01, 2014, 03:49:20 AM
No, really, it's satire. It's totally excellent satire. For so many reasons I am pretty sure I went over the last time someone posted it, not least of which being the degree of totally illegal-and-not-gonna-get-legal it is to sell human cell tissue for consumption.
QuoteBiteLabs is 100% serious in prompting widespread discussion about bioethics, lab-grown meats, and celebrity culture - this is very important to us. Making celebrity meat a reality from there will all depend on our ability to build a user-base.
I don't recall it being posted here, if you don't mind restating some of the other reasons.
While I agree it's humorous, that doesn't exclude it from also being designed as a market research tool for selling lab grown animal meats.
It's a classic door-in-the-face technique.
It was about six months ago... it's marginally possible that the conversation was actually on another forum, but I don't think so as I don't recall having time for any other forums in the last year.
I am working on a final project, if I decide I have time to fuck off I'll try to dig up the original conversation so I don't have to retrace my steps, but all the clues that it's satire designed to stimulate dialogue are in the interviews.
Could it be a market research tool? I suppose if you want to reach it
could be just about anything. I'm just saying what it's not, which is a real product under development.
Couldn't they just sell it with a big disclaimer on the side that says "Not for consumption. External use only."?
Quote from: Emo Howard on June 01, 2014, 09:06:17 PM
Couldn't they just sell it with a big disclaimer on the side that says "Not for consumption. External use only."?
No, because there are really stringent regulations on the sale of human tissue. It's kind of a big deal if you work in research that uses human tissue, for a variety of reasons. "The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks" is a good (and really interesting) book to read if you're interested in the florid history of human tissue in research.
You should go through their website and see if you can find their promotional video, it's hilarous.
Quote from: All-Father Nigel on June 01, 2014, 03:49:20 AM
No, really, it's satire. It's totally excellent satire. For so many reasons I am pretty sure I went over the last time someone posted it, not least of which being the degree of totally illegal-and-not-gonna-get-legal it is to sell human cell tissue for consumption.
QuoteBiteLabs is 100% serious in prompting widespread discussion about bioethics, lab-grown meats, and celebrity culture - this is very important to us. Making celebrity meat a reality from there will all depend on our ability to build a user-base.
I came to the exact same conclusion, based on the exact same line you've bolded. However, the current bioethics legislation only applies to the scientific, medical and corporate establishments. Once the tech to print dna and vat-grow tissue hits the mainstream, I don't expect the hackersphere being any more compliant with legislation than they ever were. I envisage a porn industry, awash with vat-grown celebrity bodyparts :eek:
Whatever, I wont feel at home until they serve that caviar with teat-fresh creme :taco:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 02, 2014, 06:51:00 AM
Quote from: All-Father Nigel on June 01, 2014, 03:49:20 AM
No, really, it's satire. It's totally excellent satire. For so many reasons I am pretty sure I went over the last time someone posted it, not least of which being the degree of totally illegal-and-not-gonna-get-legal it is to sell human cell tissue for consumption.
QuoteBiteLabs is 100% serious in prompting widespread discussion about bioethics, lab-grown meats, and celebrity culture - this is very important to us. Making celebrity meat a reality from there will all depend on our ability to build a user-base.
I came to the exact same conclusion, based on the exact same line you've bolded. However, the current bioethics legislation only applies to the scientific, medical and corporate establishments. Once the tech to print dna and vat-grow tissue hits the mainstream, I don't expect the hackersphere being any more compliant with legislation than they ever were. I envisage a porn industry, awash with vat-grown celebrity bodyparts :eek:
Allow me to
onetwo-up you.
Vat-grown animal parts.
Vat-grown children parts.Hell, why not a Vat-grown whole body but with a disabled CNS.
Slightly horrible yet still quite horrible alternative: Narcissism to the wall.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 02, 2014, 06:51:00 AM
Quote from: All-Father Nigel on June 01, 2014, 03:49:20 AM
No, really, it's satire. It's totally excellent satire. For so many reasons I am pretty sure I went over the last time someone posted it, not least of which being the degree of totally illegal-and-not-gonna-get-legal it is to sell human cell tissue for consumption.
QuoteBiteLabs is 100% serious in prompting widespread discussion about bioethics, lab-grown meats, and celebrity culture - this is very important to us. Making celebrity meat a reality from there will all depend on our ability to build a user-base.
I came to the exact same conclusion, based on the exact same line you've bolded. However, the current bioethics legislation only applies to the scientific, medical and corporate establishments. Once the tech to print dna and vat-grow tissue hits the mainstream, I don't expect the hackersphere being any more compliant with legislation than they ever were. I envisage a porn industry, awash with vat-grown celebrity bodyparts :eek:
:lulz: Unfortunately, your imagination doesn't have any association with the conditions of science and technology in reality.
Laser printing of DNA start file - Check
Cold booting resultant stem cells - Check
3d printing dangly parts scaffold - Check
What we missing, exactly? We're a year or two (max) away from 3d printed organs based on recipient genome. You honestly think Linsey Lohan's anus is going to be much more difficult?
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 02, 2014, 02:39:21 PM
Laser printing of DNA start file - Check
Cold booting resultant stem cells - Check
3d printing dangly parts scaffold - Check
What we missing, exactly? We're a year or two (max) away from 3d printed organs based on recipient genome. You honestly think Linsey Lohan's anus is going to be much more difficult?
(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130501204015/alienfilm/images/e/e8/I_Want_to_Believe.png)
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 02, 2014, 02:39:21 PM
Laser printing of DNA start file - Check
Cold booting resultant stem cells - Check
3d printing dangly parts scaffold - Check
What we missing, exactly? We're a year or two (max) away from 3d printed organs based on recipient genome. You honestly think Linsey Lohan's anus is going to be much more difficult?
While we're able to work with DNA, and we've sequenced the (generalized) human genome, it's not always exactly that easy. You can't quite laser print a genome on demand, and then assemble the composite atoms in the appropriate places. Usually when we create genes of interest, it's through mass cloning of that specific gene. And that's just one gene. Humans have a sequence over 3 billion nucleotides long. And remember, it's not just all 0s and 1s, it's A, T, C, G.
We can't even create viable clones of other species, 100% of the time.
Listen, if you really want to know, it's beyond my ability to explain on an internet forum, because I'm just learning to understand it myself. Read a book on recapturing cell pluripotency, written by a scientist, not a science writer. Don't get sucked in by the popsci articles that make it sound like regrowing body parts is just around the bend; it's actually really complicated, not least because we don't really have a firm grasp on what we're doing. We can get a cell type to differentiate to a certain point (say, epithelial or muscle) and are even starting to figure out how to get them to go in a certain direction, but getting a group of cells to follow a blueprint, to make body parts that are more complex than epithelial cells grown on a mould, is beyond our ability for the foreseeable future, partly because we don't actually understand the blueprints or how they work. And it's not that we almost understand the blueprints; we aren't even close.
I know you don't want to believe me, and you certainly don't have to believe me. Nothing whatsoever is at stake if you don't believe me, other than possibly your disappointment when the technologies you anticipate don't materialize. But in addition to taking classes and earning a couple of low-level degrees over the last couple of years, I have been reading books and research papers, and writing papers, and going to research symposia, and talking to researchers. The primary function of the classes I've taken has been to give me the background to understand the books and papers I'm reading.
I'm interested in lab growth of true body parts, particularly teeth. Some headway has been made with teeth, which is really promising, but we're still a long way off of being able to reproduce anything functional.
They've printed a kidney, stuck it in a rat and it pissed the right color. It's not a case of programming a cell and then just letting it replicate until it grows an organ, I know this but what we have found out about cells is that they're amazingly compliant and just squirting a pile of modified cells on a scaffold is enough to encourage them to make stuff. I'm not saying that's it done now, shit is still rough as hell but I don't necessarily think it's 100 years in the future or anything like that.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 03, 2014, 08:29:55 AM
They've printed a kidney, stuck it in a rat and it pissed the right color. It's not a case of programming a cell and then just letting it replicate until it grows an organ, I know this but what we have found out about cells is that they're amazingly compliant and just squirting a pile of modified cells on a scaffold is enough to encourage them to make stuff. I'm not saying that's it done now, shit is still rough as hell but I don't necessarily think it's 100 years in the future or anything like that.
PLEASE STOP TALKING
YOU ARE DUMB. DUMB DUMB DUMB. STOP TALKING.
You can replicate a kidney... not super effectively, but it is done... with a bag of salt water. This is called dialysis.
You have literally NO IDEA what you're talking about, and it's frustrating because it makes you sound totally stupid, and I know you're not stupid, just hopeful.
(http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/128/3/6/stahp_it_by_wsmarkhenry-d64lpx9.jpg)
read what they did (http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-04/though-impressive-bioengineered-rat-kidney-long-way-demand-replacement-organs)
Now let me explain how they're currently working on doing the blood vessels and tubes and shit without the stripped down organ. They've implanted a fully functional 3d printed bladder in a kid. They're laser printing booting and running designer organisms. Other dudes are sticking base pairs made out of new stuff and getting it to replicate.
None of this is speculative. That's all happening right now. The human genome is three and a bit megs of code. Stephen Friend just ran a couple of compare queries on half a million sequences and found "dozens" of new potential genes or traits to examine, by way of finding cures for all sorts of shit. Half a million! With a dataset that tiny it's a miracle he found anything. As soon as he has a couple of billion, it's going to get really interesting.
I keep telling you, it's not people who are examining the data now so we're not limited to the kind of things that people are capable of looking at. The Douglas Adams analogy works here - the machine will spit out the answers to life, the universe and everything and then scientists will try to figure out how that answer works but they can take their time, the engineers can work with the answer just fine.
I want a 3d printed rat that pees a rainbow. :fnord:
I apologize for my outburst this morning. You are just as free as anyone else to believe in anything you want to believe in.
Nigel, serious question:
I know I'm pretty ignorant about this stuff, most of what I've heard is through Dr. Kaku and that guy is an incurable optimist and mildly addicted to doing Discovery Channel shows. What are the big stumbling blocks still in our way between where we are now and cloning dick cozies? My limited understanding leaves me thinking that we just have to build a model of whatever we want, and then throw some enthusiastically reproducing cells into the dish with it, and then dick cozy. Is it a matter of us not having any idea how to build the scaffolding for moving parts? Or is getting those cells to grow a lot harder than I've been led to believe? Or something else I'm not even considering because I only know the vaguest outline of what's going on?
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on June 03, 2014, 11:03:22 PM
Nigel, serious question:
I know I'm pretty ignorant about this stuff, most of what I've heard is through Dr. Kaku and that guy is an incurable optimist and mildly addicted to doing Discovery Channel shows. What are the big stumbling blocks still in our way between where we are now and cloning dick cozies? My limited understanding leaves me thinking that we just have to build a model of whatever we want, and then throw some enthusiastically reproducing cells into the dish with it, and then dick cozy. Is it a matter of us not having any idea how to build the scaffolding for moving parts? Or is getting those cells to grow a lot harder than I've been led to believe? Or something else I'm not even considering because I only know the vaguest outline of what's going on?
You are spot-on about building a structure that is more or less the shape of the part we want to mimic and then putting some epithelial cells in to grow on it. Thing is, a real functioning organ is made of specialized tissues and not just a layer of epithelial cells. Pluripotent cells can be made, with a significant amount of error, but getting them to go down the right specialization pathway... just one... is hit or miss, let alone getting them to selectively differentiate into the type and shape of tissues that make up organ structures. Another consideration is that we have another word for enthusiastically reproducing cells; cancer. And, not to go into it too deeply, but supposing you have figured out how to grow a sphincter muscle and cover it with epithelial cells... what is the support system for this ass-in-a-jar? How is it supposed to stay alive? It's just... silly.
Quote from: All-Father Nigel on June 03, 2014, 11:28:43 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on June 03, 2014, 11:03:22 PM
Nigel, serious question:
I know I'm pretty ignorant about this stuff, most of what I've heard is through Dr. Kaku and that guy is an incurable optimist and mildly addicted to doing Discovery Channel shows. What are the big stumbling blocks still in our way between where we are now and cloning dick cozies? My limited understanding leaves me thinking that we just have to build a model of whatever we want, and then throw some enthusiastically reproducing cells into the dish with it, and then dick cozy. Is it a matter of us not having any idea how to build the scaffolding for moving parts? Or is getting those cells to grow a lot harder than I've been led to believe? Or something else I'm not even considering because I only know the vaguest outline of what's going on?
You are spot-on about building a structure that is more or less the shape of the part we want to mimic and then putting some epithelial cells in to grow on it. Thing is, a real functioning organ is made of specialized tissues and not just a layer of epithelial cells. Pluripotent cells can be made, with a significant amount of error, but getting them to go down the right specialization pathway... just one... is hit or miss, let alone getting them to selectively differentiate into the type and shape of tissues that make up organ structures. Another consideration is that we have another word for enthusiastically reproducing cells; cancer. And, not to go into it too deeply, but supposing you have figured out how to grow a sphincter muscle and cover it with epithelial cells... what is the support system for this ass-in-a-jar? How is it supposed to stay alive? It's just... silly.
STAY alive? Ma'am your business model is broken. We don't sell products that stay good for decades anymore, the replacement parts is where the money's at!
Quote from: Regret on June 03, 2014, 11:32:58 PM
Quote from: All-Father Nigel on June 03, 2014, 11:28:43 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on June 03, 2014, 11:03:22 PM
Nigel, serious question:
I know I'm pretty ignorant about this stuff, most of what I've heard is through Dr. Kaku and that guy is an incurable optimist and mildly addicted to doing Discovery Channel shows. What are the big stumbling blocks still in our way between where we are now and cloning dick cozies? My limited understanding leaves me thinking that we just have to build a model of whatever we want, and then throw some enthusiastically reproducing cells into the dish with it, and then dick cozy. Is it a matter of us not having any idea how to build the scaffolding for moving parts? Or is getting those cells to grow a lot harder than I've been led to believe? Or something else I'm not even considering because I only know the vaguest outline of what's going on?
You are spot-on about building a structure that is more or less the shape of the part we want to mimic and then putting some epithelial cells in to grow on it. Thing is, a real functioning organ is made of specialized tissues and not just a layer of epithelial cells. Pluripotent cells can be made, with a significant amount of error, but getting them to go down the right specialization pathway... just one... is hit or miss, let alone getting them to selectively differentiate into the type and shape of tissues that make up organ structures. Another consideration is that we have another word for enthusiastically reproducing cells; cancer. And, not to go into it too deeply, but supposing you have figured out how to grow a sphincter muscle and cover it with epithelial cells... what is the support system for this ass-in-a-jar? How is it supposed to stay alive? It's just... silly.
STAY alive? Ma'am your business model is broken. We don't sell products that stay good for decades anymore, the replacement parts is where the money's at!
Well, if people just want to fuck a rotting piece of cartilage, why bother with high technology? Just buy a bucket of chitlins!
Quote from: All-Father Nigel on June 03, 2014, 11:41:11 PM
Quote from: Regret on June 03, 2014, 11:32:58 PM
Quote from: All-Father Nigel on June 03, 2014, 11:28:43 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on June 03, 2014, 11:03:22 PM
Nigel, serious question:
I know I'm pretty ignorant about this stuff, most of what I've heard is through Dr. Kaku and that guy is an incurable optimist and mildly addicted to doing Discovery Channel shows. What are the big stumbling blocks still in our way between where we are now and cloning dick cozies? My limited understanding leaves me thinking that we just have to build a model of whatever we want, and then throw some enthusiastically reproducing cells into the dish with it, and then dick cozy. Is it a matter of us not having any idea how to build the scaffolding for moving parts? Or is getting those cells to grow a lot harder than I've been led to believe? Or something else I'm not even considering because I only know the vaguest outline of what's going on?
You are spot-on about building a structure that is more or less the shape of the part we want to mimic and then putting some epithelial cells in to grow on it. Thing is, a real functioning organ is made of specialized tissues and not just a layer of epithelial cells. Pluripotent cells can be made, with a significant amount of error, but getting them to go down the right specialization pathway... just one... is hit or miss, let alone getting them to selectively differentiate into the type and shape of tissues that make up organ structures. Another consideration is that we have another word for enthusiastically reproducing cells; cancer. And, not to go into it too deeply, but supposing you have figured out how to grow a sphincter muscle and cover it with epithelial cells... what is the support system for this ass-in-a-jar? How is it supposed to stay alive? It's just... silly.
STAY alive? Ma'am your business model is broken. We don't sell products that stay good for decades anymore, the replacement parts is where the money's at!
Well, if people just want to fuck a rotting piece of cartilage, why bother with high technology? Just buy a bucket of chitlins!
Why bother? My dear that is what the marketing department is for!
Quote from: Regret on June 03, 2014, 11:45:44 PM
Quote from: All-Father Nigel on June 03, 2014, 11:41:11 PM
Quote from: Regret on June 03, 2014, 11:32:58 PM
Quote from: All-Father Nigel on June 03, 2014, 11:28:43 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on June 03, 2014, 11:03:22 PM
Nigel, serious question:
I know I'm pretty ignorant about this stuff, most of what I've heard is through Dr. Kaku and that guy is an incurable optimist and mildly addicted to doing Discovery Channel shows. What are the big stumbling blocks still in our way between where we are now and cloning dick cozies? My limited understanding leaves me thinking that we just have to build a model of whatever we want, and then throw some enthusiastically reproducing cells into the dish with it, and then dick cozy. Is it a matter of us not having any idea how to build the scaffolding for moving parts? Or is getting those cells to grow a lot harder than I've been led to believe? Or something else I'm not even considering because I only know the vaguest outline of what's going on?
You are spot-on about building a structure that is more or less the shape of the part we want to mimic and then putting some epithelial cells in to grow on it. Thing is, a real functioning organ is made of specialized tissues and not just a layer of epithelial cells. Pluripotent cells can be made, with a significant amount of error, but getting them to go down the right specialization pathway... just one... is hit or miss, let alone getting them to selectively differentiate into the type and shape of tissues that make up organ structures. Another consideration is that we have another word for enthusiastically reproducing cells; cancer. And, not to go into it too deeply, but supposing you have figured out how to grow a sphincter muscle and cover it with epithelial cells... what is the support system for this ass-in-a-jar? How is it supposed to stay alive? It's just... silly.
STAY alive? Ma'am your business model is broken. We don't sell products that stay good for decades anymore, the replacement parts is where the money's at!
Well, if people just want to fuck a rotting piece of cartilage, why bother with high technology? Just buy a bucket of chitlins!
Why bother? My dear that is what the marketing department is for!
The marketing department is slacking... there's a higher profit margin on chitlins.
http://www.theguardian.com/science/video/2013/aug/05/google-burger-sergey-brin-lab-grown-hamburger
QuoteBrin said he wanted to invest in technologies that were "on the cusp of viability. If it succeeds there, it can be really transformative for the world." He acknowledged that some people would probably think synthetic meat was science fiction. "I actually think that's a good thing. If what you're doing is not seen by some people as science fiction, it's probably not transformative enough."
Ghostery finds one tracker at bitelabs.org: a Google Analytics tracker.
Quote from: Net (+ 1 Hidden) on June 04, 2014, 02:50:38 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/science/video/2013/aug/05/google-burger-sergey-brin-lab-grown-hamburger
QuoteBrin said he wanted to invest in technologies that were "on the cusp of viability. If it succeeds there, it can be really transformative for the world." He acknowledged that some people would probably think synthetic meat was science fiction. "I actually think that's a good thing. If what you're doing is not seen by some people as science fiction, it's probably not transformative enough."
Ghostery finds one tracker at bitelabs.org: a Google Analytics tracker.
Now THAT'S interesting.
It may be pure coincidence, and of course the odds are high that it's coincidence... but whoever is behind the Bitelabs site knows what they're doing, there are no loose ends I have found tying anyone to it. Admittedly I haven't spent that long looking.
Plus this:
QuoteHe added: "Each salami will have roughly 30 percent celebrity meat and 40 percent lab-grown animal meats (we're currently looking into ostrich and venison but pork and beef are more popular in our early research). The rest will consist of fats and spices. This break-down comes from consultation with expert food designers and chefs."
Kevin also admitted to being inspired by Google (aren't we all?) and its edifying Google burger.
http://www.cnet.com/news/lab-making-salami-out-of-jennifer-lawrence/
Good lead, Net!
QuoteThe idea is definitely satirical: Vice posits that the people behind Bite Labs might be an activist group like PETA, a very ambitious prankster, or even a real synthetic meat lab that's just trying to get publicity. But they're definitely committed to the bit. Vice got in touch with the company's mysterious representative, known only as "Kevin," who they describe as someone "who'd internalized Silicon Valley's vernacular, but didn't overtly appear to be mocking it." While Bite Labs has yet to produce celebrity meat, Kevin told them, they're "100 percent serious in prompting widespread discussion about bioethics, lab-grown meats, and celebrity culture—this is very important to us." He explained:
Our team is deeply interested in food-culture, celebrity & media as well as thinking about the future. Other than highlighting bioethical issues, we are also interested in the way celebrity culture is consumed and hope that there is some kind of back-handed commentary on that. To develop Celebrity Meat, we're working with a group of bio-engineers and food designers, most of which have requested to remain anonymous due to the controversial nature of the product.
As for our current campaign, we are hoping to generate celebrity interest and involvement so that we can develop a prototype with celebrity meat. In-vitro meat has the potential to revolutionize the meat industry, with both environmental, animal rights, and eventually economic benefits. We hope that our campaigning efforts will confront people with the very real possibility of a lab-grown meat future.
Right now, they're getting attention by harassing celebrities on Twitter, asking them if they'll be salami. In the future, who knows?
http://everythingaboutstemcells.com/tag/bite-labs/
And zero buzz between breaking and now, six months later. There is zero question in my mind about celebrity meat being a legit product... it's not... but a publicity stunt for a company developing vat meat? Absolutely plausible.
Here are our two primary contenders:
http://culturedbeef.net
http://modernmeadow.com/
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on June 04, 2014, 05:32:40 AM
QuoteThe idea is definitely satirical: Vice posits that the people behind Bite Labs might be an activist group like PETA, a very ambitious prankster, or even a real synthetic meat lab that's just trying to get publicity. But they're definitely committed to the bit. Vice got in touch with the company's mysterious representative, known only as "Kevin," who they describe as someone "who'd internalized Silicon Valley's vernacular, but didn't overtly appear to be mocking it." While Bite Labs has yet to produce celebrity meat, Kevin told them, they're "100 percent serious in prompting widespread discussion about bioethics, lab-grown meats, and celebrity culture—this is very important to us." He explained:
Our team is deeply interested in food-culture, celebrity & media as well as thinking about the future. Other than highlighting bioethical issues, we are also interested in the way celebrity culture is consumed and hope that there is some kind of back-handed commentary on that. To develop Celebrity Meat, we're working with a group of bio-engineers and food designers, most of which have requested to remain anonymous due to the controversial nature of the product.
As for our current campaign, we are hoping to generate celebrity interest and involvement so that we can develop a prototype with celebrity meat. In-vitro meat has the potential to revolutionize the meat industry, with both environmental, animal rights, and eventually economic benefits. We hope that our campaigning efforts will confront people with the very real possibility of a lab-grown meat future.
Right now, they're getting attention by harassing celebrities on Twitter, asking them if they'll be salami. In the future, who knows?
http://everythingaboutstemcells.com/tag/bite-labs/
And zero buzz between breaking and now, six months later. There is zero question in my mind about celebrity meat being a legit product... it's not... but a publicity stunt for a company developing vat meat? Absolutely plausible.
Here are our two primary contenders:
http://culturedbeef.net
http://modernmeadow.com/
Marketing that's hooked directly into the outrage gland. Powerful stuff! :evil:
On a side note - I've heard the idea before that it was the cooking of meat that allowed humans to extract enough energy from our food to power our massive swollen brains. Something about it makes me wtf. Anyone know how accurate this notion is?
I vaguely recall that cooking increases energy efficiency, because less expenditure on metabolizing and digesting it, but thats a different part of the story...
Something about the human's omnivorous diet fomenting brain development, but then again, raccoons and cockroaches would be GENIUSES if that was the case (imagine rat's gigantic brain, go ahead, touch it).
I also heard this things about how natural drugs (bro) have helped develop (expand) the human brain.
But really, Im at the point where ive heard ALL SORTS OF THINGS and unless i personally research it throughly (say, some solid 50 hours at least) im just like "ok, it could be, but by fuck i have the time to say if its true or false" :|
Quote from: The Johnny on June 04, 2014, 06:45:14 AM
But really, Im at the point where ive heard ALL SORTS OF THINGS and unless i personally research it throughly (say, some solid 50 hours at least) im just like "ok, it could be, but by fuck i have the time to say if its true or false" :|
Yeah, snap! I do like the idea that I could have a scientific basis for slagging off vegetarians, tho. Not that I have anything against vegetarians but, y'know, that odd time when you're trying to reduce some random punter to a quivering wreck just for shits and giggles and it just so happens their mammalian brain is starved for electricity... :evil:
Seems vaguely topical (http://3dprint.com/5165/vincent-van-gogh-3d-printed-ear/)
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on June 03, 2014, 11:41:11 PM
Well, if people just want to fuck a rotting piece of cartilage, why bother with high technology? Just buy a bucket of chitlins!
Also known as "Thursday".
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on June 04, 2014, 12:08:06 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on June 03, 2014, 11:41:11 PM
Well, if people just want to fuck a rotting piece of cartilage, why bother with high technology? Just buy a bucket of chitlins!
Also known as "Thursday".
:lulz:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 04, 2014, 06:57:43 AM
Quote from: The Johnny on June 04, 2014, 06:45:14 AM
But really, Im at the point where ive heard ALL SORTS OF THINGS and unless i personally research it throughly (say, some solid 50 hours at least) im just like "ok, it could be, but by fuck i have the time to say if its true or false" :|
Yeah, snap! I do like the idea that I could have a scientific basis for slagging off vegetarians, tho. Not that I have anything against vegetarians but, y'know, that odd time when you're trying to reduce some random punter to a quivering wreck just for shits and giggles and it just so happens their mammalian brain is starved for electricity... :evil:
One could argue that all the toxins and synthetics we consume in the garbage that we eat, in moderate ammounts, strenghtens our immune system.
Now go make a doctoral thesis about it and show me that im wrong. :fnord: (or that im right, for that matter :fnord: :fnord: :fnord:)
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 04, 2014, 07:38:04 AM
Seems vaguely topical (http://3dprint.com/5165/vincent-van-gogh-3d-printed-ear/)
Can i eat it?
Bit Chewey
(http://www.chud.com/articles/content_images/0NICK2/BFJ_EvilDead_EarMunchGIF.gif)
Good Sir, are you trying to seduce me? :oops: