Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Principia Discussion => Topic started by: Hoopla! on February 25, 2008, 09:34:26 pm

Title: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Hoopla! on February 25, 2008, 09:34:26 pm
In all my research on Eris I have never seen an ancient reference about her makinf any reference to Chaos, only Strife.

Did Hill and Thornley just make the Chaos aspect up?

And if so, why not just use Chaos (or Kaos) the goddess?
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 25, 2008, 09:54:05 pm
I suspect that they threw in the chaos bit because it seemed to fit into their model of discord; however, you raise a good point. Strife and discord are not inherently chaotic, although chaos can be used as a tool for orchestrating discord.

Hmm. Good fodder for thought.
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Hoopla! on February 25, 2008, 10:29:45 pm
chaos can be used as a tool for orchestrating discord.

Also, vice versa?
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on February 26, 2008, 09:15:03 am
In all my research on Eris I have never seen an ancient reference about her makinf any reference to Chaos, only Strife.

Did Hill and Thornley just make the Chaos aspect up?

And if so, why not just use Chaos (or Kaos) the goddess?
KAOS was already being used in Get Smart.   :mrgreen:

Seriously though, it might be that the Greek concept of Eris was used because she seemed more human.  Khaos was just a formless mass that the universe was made out of.  Impressive, but vague and not very inspiring.  Eris, OTOH, had a nice back story of being a bit of a trouble-maker.  She was the Greek version of the Trickster archetype.  She makes for a much better story.

Or I could be talking out of my ass again...
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 26, 2008, 09:25:11 am
chaos can be used as a tool for orchestrating discord.

Also, vice versa?

YESSSSSS nice angle...
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Cain on February 26, 2008, 12:02:18 pm
In all my research on Eris I have never seen an ancient reference about her makinf any reference to Chaos, only Strife.

Did Hill and Thornley just make the Chaos aspect up?

And if so, why not just use Chaos (or Kaos) the goddess?
KAOS was already being used in Get Smart.   :mrgreen:

Seriously though, it might be that the Greek concept of Eris was used because she seemed more human.  Khaos was just a formless mass that the universe was made out of.  Impressive, but vague and not very inspiring.  Eris, OTOH, had a nice back story of being a bit of a trouble-maker.  She was the Greek version of the Trickster archetype.  She makes for a much better story.

I agree.  They knew, and they picked her for the above reasons.  Also, she's the Greek female version of a Trickster archtype.  There was already Hermes, who was a thief, god of commerce and travel, as well as a warrior of no small ability.  Eris is in many ways his female counterpart.  As goddess of Strife of War and competition, she was also a warrior of no small skill, as well as having some influence over commerce and the arts.  She was a cunning thief as well, managing to steal the Golden Apple from under the nose of the dragon Ladon, who slept under the tree, as well as the nymphs who tended to the Garden of the Hesprides, where they were kept.  Hermes was often the herald of Zeus, and Eris and Hera seemed to have a very good working relationship, to say the least.  The parallels are not complete, but they do exist, and merit mentioning.
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Hoopla! on February 26, 2008, 12:25:17 pm
So it is acknowledged that the apple was from the Garden of the Hesprides, and not just similar?
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Post by: Cain on February 26, 2008, 12:32:17 pm
According to Colluthus' Rape of Helen (7th century AD):

"And now she bethought her of the golden apples of the Hesperides. Thence Eris took the fruit that should be the harbinger of war, even the apple, and devised the scheme of signal woes."

Its the only source of golden apples in Greek mythology, too.
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Hoopla! on February 26, 2008, 12:33:50 pm
I have yet to find a single Roman image of her.  Unless they are just attributing them to Eris instead of Discordia?
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Cain on February 26, 2008, 12:34:51 pm
Its possible.  Or Bellona.
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Post by: Agrippa on February 27, 2008, 04:49:19 pm
I have yet to find a single Roman image of her.  Unless they are just attributing them to Eris instead of Discordia?

There's not that many greek images either.

Anyway, i dont think discordianism is about strife itself. But much more about strife with purpose. Internal strife to make someone reach an 'aha' moments, strife for enjoyment like pranks, strife to bring down something that sucks.

If chaos is the universal blank canvas, and order is the paint on it; then discordia is the one that paints over it with ugly bright colours.
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Hoopla! on February 28, 2008, 11:52:49 pm
Anyway, i dont think discordianism is about strife itself.

Then why name it after her?
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 28, 2008, 11:58:45 pm
See, I think it's about strife, discord, and the change that arises after the dust settles. Fuck that shit up, also especially if it's funny.
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Cain on February 29, 2008, 12:02:18 am
Anyway, i dont think discordianism is about strife itself.

Then why name it after her?

To intentionally cause strife by giving her the wrong portfolio of control?
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Hoopla! on February 29, 2008, 12:09:24 am
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Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Agrippa on February 29, 2008, 12:47:33 am

Quote

Then why name it after her?

Because:  'Eris godess of strife with purpose' sounds less cool then 'Eris godess of strife'
Those greeks where weird anyway
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: LMNO on February 29, 2008, 01:05:24 pm
Anyway, i dont think discordianism is about strife itself.

Then why name it after her?

To intentionally cause strife by giving her the wrong portfolio of control?

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Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Triple Zero on February 29, 2008, 03:02:17 pm
i still gotta watch that movie. but i heard this exploding head guy scene is in fact the best bit of the entire movie, is that correct?
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: LMNO on February 29, 2008, 03:02:51 pm
Pretty mcuh.
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Post by: Triple Zero on February 29, 2008, 03:07:04 pm
how lousy does that make the rest of the movie?

i mean, it is the exploding head guy ..
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: LMNO on February 29, 2008, 03:12:03 pm
It's early Cronenberg, so it's fairly low budget (spent it all on the exploding head, probably).

Most of it is suspense/action, focuses on xenophobia, and has a weird twist ending that no one really has a good explanation for.

I'd say see if you can get it on bitorrent. 
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on February 29, 2008, 04:24:43 pm
Well, I think that initially Thornley and Hill may have used Eris as a catch all for philosophical absurdism. Camus held that A) God was dead. B) Life was meaningless (ie. Life is chaotic and unpredictable) and thus C) No purpose exists for living. Camus wasn't nihilistic, but he did stress that happiness was fleeting, because existence is absurd and chaotic.  Thornley and Hill turned this standard Absurdist philosophy on its head. Rather than happiness and Chaos being opposites in a duality, the PD promotes the idea that happiness can be found in Chaos and Order equally.

However, they make pretty plain in the PD that the "Greeks got it wrong". That is, Eris of the Discordian Society (or POEE's anyway) is not the Eris of the Greeks and Romans... or at least she's a version of Eris as seen by people that don't fear strife and discord. As for Kaos, I think that metaphor doesn't really cover the sort of things we use the word Chaos for now... Kaos was formless and empty, rather than an unpredictable black swan from Mr. Taleb.

Chaos seems important to absurdist philosophy, since chaos was one of the reasons Camus  held that life was meaningless. Unpredictable events, which could destroy the life's work of an individual... or an unpredictable event that would take the life of an individual. In this Chaos, absurdists saw failure... but Omar and Mal-2 saw something different. Eris as a metaphor for all of that seems to work better than what would have been involved in trying to make things fit precisely.
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: LMNO on February 29, 2008, 04:56:00 pm
Rat has reminded me that since Hill/Thornley basically rewrote ancient history ("The Greeks spread lies and slander about Eris because she kept cheating at poker"*), so this whole issue of "But ancient history says she's Strife, not Chaos!" is moot.  If you're a POEE cabal member, of course. 

The rest of you are on your own.



















*Fun Fact: She didn't cheat, she would just get the other gods drunk.
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on February 29, 2008, 05:01:33 pm
Rat has reminded me that since Hill/Thornley basically rewrote ancient history ("The Greeks spread lies and slander about Eris because she kept cheating at poker"*), so this whole issue of "But ancient history says she's Strife, not Chaos!" is moot.  If you're a POEE cabal member, of course. 

The rest of you are on your own.

Prexactly.

Also, I think they wanted to make clear that they weren't laem reconstructionist pagans ;-)
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Hoopla! on February 29, 2008, 05:05:53 pm
My original point was, though, that they never bring strife up, only chaos.  The greeks already had a goddess of Chaos, so why not just use her?  Why even bring Eris into it?
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: LMNO on February 29, 2008, 05:07:35 pm
Cuz she's sexy.
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on February 29, 2008, 05:09:15 pm
My original point was, though, that they never bring strife up, only chaos.  The greeks already had a goddess of Chaos, so why not just use her?  Why even bring Eris into it?

Well... it depends.

According to legend, Omar had a dream about a goddess that talked of chaos and strife. So maybe Eris brought herself into it.

Or, Eris was a female (which would appeal to the Goddess Worship that was becoming prominent in neopaganism), she was anthropomorphic as opposed to formless and the Golden Apple story worked well to illustrate several of the points they wanted to make... Kaos didn't really have any interesting adventures that would lend themselves to metaphor quite that way.

Maybe.
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 29, 2008, 05:13:44 pm
My original point was, though, that they never bring strife up, only chaos.  The greeks already had a goddess of Chaos, so why not just use her?  Why even bring Eris into it?

Well... it depends.

According to legend, Omar had a dream about a goddess that talked of chaos and strife. So maybe Eris brought herself into it.


There it is... if, indeed, the PD was the result of Divine Revelation (however you may define "Divine Revelation"; for example stoned out of my gourd, or perhaps just an "Aha!" moment), there is no "why", there is only "is".
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Hoopla! on February 29, 2008, 05:23:36 pm
Fair enough.

I think -personally- they just wanted an obscure female goddess who could be crazy.  Eris fit the bill.
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Post by: Requia ☣ on February 29, 2008, 11:36:48 pm
Wasn't a big part of the point of PD that people has been mistaking all chaos for strife, and all strife for chaos?  Curse of Greyface and all that.  So Eris was goddess of chaos, but got called the goddess of strife, since the Greeks couldn't tell the difference.
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 01, 2008, 12:08:05 am
Wasn't a big part of the point of PD that people has been mistaking all chaos for strife, and all strife for chaos?  Curse of Greyface and all that.  So Eris was goddess of chaos, but got called the goddess of strife, since the Greeks couldn't tell the difference.


This is a Good Enough Motorcycle :)
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Post by: maphdet on March 01, 2008, 04:48:22 am
Fair enough.

I think -personally- they just wanted an obscure female goddess who could be crazy.  Eris fit the bill.

Weren't most the Female goddess crazy.
;)
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Cain on March 01, 2008, 12:59:41 pm
Wasn't a big part of the point of PD that people has been mistaking all chaos for strife, and all strife for chaos?  Curse of Greyface and all that.  So Eris was goddess of chaos, but got called the goddess of strife, since the Greeks couldn't tell the difference.

Good point.

However, it depends on how you use the word strife.  They use it in terms of evil chaos, for lack of a better word.  I've thought of it more as a human level of chaos, what happens when you get people with different perceptions and interests residing in all the same place.  Value neutral, in other words.

Just felt that was worth clarifying.
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 04, 2008, 04:18:35 pm
In all my research on Eris I have never seen an ancient reference about her makinf any reference to Chaos, only Strife.

Did Hill and Thornley just make the Chaos aspect up?

And if so, why not just use Chaos (or Kaos) the goddess?

Strife IS chaos, if you would believe Von Clausewitz.

Or Kurosawa.

But yeah, I think they just made it up.
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Dido on March 13, 2008, 04:41:12 pm
As far as i remember, the ancient greek deity chaos was more some kind of conscious prima materia.
Following a sequence of events to the earliest event that can possibly be constructed as a reason (as the prophecy that people are trying to avoid instead of the morons actually doing what they do) is a very prominent feature of ancient Greek thought, which is why I should like to remind you of the other trickster lurking around the golden apple.
Meaning Prometheus, whom Zeus offered do free from the rock he was chained on (for being nice to humans ) if he would tell him what he knew about Thetis (supposedly only a minor sea Godess favored by Zeus). Prometheus  played hard-to-get for a few centuries until Heracles freed him. In return for 'allowing that to happen' P told Zeus that Thetis' child would be mightier that his father, which caused Zeus to pass her off to a mortal....aaaand not invite everybody to the wedding. etc.

Ancient Greek myths are not very coherent but the holes in this one are among the best.
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Hoopla! on March 13, 2008, 05:10:16 pm
I hadn't been aware of that aspect of the story . . . interesting.
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Post by: Cain on March 13, 2008, 10:22:34 pm
Yeah, that ties into the idea that Achilles' death was arranged by Zeus.
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Post by: Hoopla! on March 13, 2008, 10:27:22 pm
Well, nobody likes a cock-blocker . . .
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Post by: Requia ☣ on March 14, 2008, 04:40:41 am
Was Prometheus a trickster Diety?  I've never been able to find anything on him outside the stuff about fire and his resulting imprisonment/release.
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Post by: Cain on March 14, 2008, 05:56:50 am
Prometheus was considered a trickster, yes.

http://www.theoi.com/Titan/TitanPrometheus.html

Theoi should really be your first stop for any mythological questions.
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Post by: Hoopla! on March 14, 2008, 12:43:11 pm
Was Prometheus a trickster Diety?  I've never been able to find anything on him outside the stuff about fire and his resulting imprisonment/release.

How far did you look?
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Post by: Requia ☣ on March 14, 2008, 09:15:41 pm
A variety of very thick mythology books from the library and wikipedia/google.
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Post by: Requia ☣ on March 14, 2008, 10:03:09 pm
Quote
Hesiod, Works and Days 11 ff (trans. Evelyn-White) (Greek epic C8th or C7th B.C.) :
"It was never true that there was only one Eris. There have always been two on earth. There is one you could like when you understand her. The other is hateful. The two Erites have separate natures. There is one Eris who builds up evil war, and slaughter. She is harsh; no man loves her, but under compulsion and by will of the immortals, men promote this rough Eris (Strife). But the other one was born the elder daughter of black Nyx. The son of Kronos, who sits on high and dwells in the bright air set her in the roots of the earth and among men; she is far kinder. She pushes the shiftless man to work, for all his laziness. A man looks at his neighbour, who is rich: then he too wants work; for the rich man presses on with his ploughing and planting and ordering of his estate. So the neighbour envies the neighbour who presses on toward wealth. Such Eris (Strife) is a good friend to mortals."

From the site linked earlier.
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Post by: Cain on March 14, 2008, 10:05:55 pm
You have to remember that Hesiod was also a mysognist who hated the idea of powerful women in any way whatsoever.

Not to mention his sources were the bloody Muses of all people.  Servants of Apollo, the god Nietzsche typified with order, harmony and rationality.
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Post by: Dido on March 15, 2008, 08:33:24 pm
Like Nietzsche's contemporary critics I believe that he was a little off target with that idea. It is only in comparison to Dionysos that Apollo looks rational.
Prometheus is a pre-Olympian trickster cum hero deity and known for the accuracy of his prophecies (as indicated by his name).
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Post by: Requia ☣ on March 15, 2008, 08:43:20 pm
You have to remember that Hesiod was also a mysognist who hated the idea of powerful women in any way whatsoever.

Not to mention his sources were the bloody Muses of all people.  Servants of Apollo, the god Nietzsche typified with order, harmony and rationality.

Erm, did you read the second half about the positive aspects of Eris?  It's got kindof the same point as the PD division between creative and destructive strife/chaos.  (Though he barely touches the surface of the positive aspects).

Edit: He also only mentions the aspects that are parts of The Machine  :argh!:  Was just trying to point out that the greeks didn't see Eris as 100% bad though.
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Post by: Dido on March 15, 2008, 08:58:44 pm
Yeah, that ties into the idea that Achilles' death was arranged by Zeus.

no.
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Post by: Chairman Risus on March 15, 2008, 09:55:06 pm
Yeah, that ties into the idea that Achilles' death was arranged by Zeus.

no.

You're going to have to elaborate on that.
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Post by: Cain on March 16, 2008, 12:59:54 am
Yeah, that ties into the idea that Achilles' death was arranged by Zeus.

no.

You're going to have to elaborate on that.

But making one-worded comments to the effect that I am wrong is sooooo much easier.  Never mind the Cypria states, bold as brass, that Zeus, and I quote "planned with Themis to bring about the Trojan war" , that Achilles was prophesized to be even greater than his father (which almost was Zeus) and that he he was essentially half-Titan.  Zeus was hardly the underhand or devious sort at all, and since he himself had overthrown the previous gods, there was nothing to worry about, right?  Any assertions to the contrary simply exist in the fevered minds of such untutored individuals as professors of Classical Studies at the St Andrews Classics and Literature department and so carry virtually no weight at all.
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Post by: Dido on March 16, 2008, 07:21:33 pm
It isn't just easier. It also causes whoever advocates another opinion to state their arguments in detail which saves you (well, me) a lot of guessing as to their nature, the research necessary to confirm or refute them and the effort of typing. That is, it would have if some people did not think that name dropping equals argument.
Anyway. I do not question the authority of people whose work I do not know but I really do not see what the part from the Cypria is supposed to prove in that context. But I should say that I do not doubt that Achilles was indeed meant to die as soon as possible. Relating my one- word-comment to the quote preceding it should have clarified that I was not objecting  to the theory that Zeus was scheming to get rid of his almost-offspring  but to the opinion that the bit about Prometheus was supporting said theory.


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Post by: Dido on March 16, 2008, 09:42:01 pm
The portrayals of Zeus change over time. In later stories and texts by later authors he is indeed shown as capable of long-term planning but especially when dealing with Titans he lacks intelligence as well as instincts. Prometheus for example tricks him into choosing the bones and not the meat of a sacrificed animal as the part the gods are entitled to by hiding the meat in the animal's hide (or stomach, depending on the source) and covering the bones with the glistening fat.
Prometheus is a Titan and less mighty than the Olympian but cunning and able to foretell the future accurately. In a story where both are present he is more likely the one who does the planning.
Postscriptum: The story with the sacrifice is from Hesiod. He contrives to portray Zeus favorably, but whoever Hesiod really was, he was certainly a believer. And of course I simply prefer the tricksters.


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Post by: Hoopla! on March 17, 2008, 01:44:10 am
The portrayals of Zeus change over time. In later stories and texts by later authors he is indeed shown as capable of long-term planning but especially when dealing with Titans he lacks intelligence as well as instincts. Prometheus for example tricks him into choosing the bones and not the meat of a sacrificed animal as the part the gods are entitled to by hiding the meat in the animal's hide (or stomach, depending on the source) and covering the bones with the glistening fat.
Prometheus is a Titan and less mighty than the Olympian but cunning and able to foretell the future accurately. In a story where both are present he is more likely the one who does the planning.
Postscriptum: The story with the sacrifice is from Hesiod. He contrives to portray Zeus favorably, but whoever Hesiod really was, he was certainly a believer. And of course I simply prefer the tricksters.

no
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Post by: Dido on March 17, 2008, 01:56:53 pm
 All of it?
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Post by: LMNO on March 17, 2008, 02:11:35 pm
Yes.
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Post by: Golden Applesauce on March 17, 2008, 08:37:01 pm
Yes.

No.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 17, 2008, 09:18:48 pm
Yes.

No.

Maybe.
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Post by: Vene on March 17, 2008, 11:06:44 pm
Yes.

No.

Maybe.
:asplode:
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Post by: Chairman Risus on March 18, 2008, 01:58:57 am
Yes.

No.

Maybe.

ofuk repeat the question?
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Post by: Hoopla! on March 18, 2008, 02:38:41 am
Yes.

No.

Maybe.

ofuk repeat the question?
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Post by: LMNO on March 18, 2008, 11:59:14 am
Yes.

No.

Maybe.

ofuk repeat the question?

the question?
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Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: LMNO on March 18, 2008, 12:48:31 pm
New technobeats, ITT.


MC Untzalot
-Makin a comeback!
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Post by: Triple Zero on March 18, 2008, 02:10:44 pm
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Post by: LMNO on March 18, 2008, 02:13:12 pm
(no vocoders)
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Post by: LMNO on March 19, 2008, 11:59:20 am
I WIN!

http://mihd.net/4khs7ad
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Post by: Triple Zero on March 19, 2008, 11:24:06 pm
grrr mihd is being a bitch.

i'll try again later, otherwise you might wanna upload it to http://ifile.it , it seems the mihd guys started a new project or something, which is the same, only different .. at least a couple of days ago mihd redirected there, but now it seems to be back .. oh well.
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Post by: LMNO on March 20, 2008, 11:51:43 am
Cool, I'll try that.  MiHD is being a pain for me, as well.

You can stream the track at http://earfatigue.multiply.com/music/item/185/MC_Untzalot
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Post by: Hoopla! on March 20, 2008, 12:21:38 pm
Thread-jacking bastards!  :argh!:

You're lucky we're not at TCC or I'd have you both drawn and quartered!
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: AFK on March 20, 2008, 12:49:38 pm
Blood!  Blood!  Blood!  Blood!
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 :argh!:
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: LMNO on March 20, 2008, 12:56:09 pm
My replies have been completely consistent with the current page (starting with the "repeat the question" riff from 000).
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Hoopla! on March 20, 2008, 01:42:52 pm
 :argh!:
Title: Re: STRIFE or CHAOS?????
Post by: Triple Zero on March 23, 2008, 11:46:00 am
Blood!  Blood!  Blood!  Blood!
/
 :argh!:

hey look it's more lyrics.