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Principia Discordia => Think for Yourself, Schmuck! => Horrorology => Topic started by: the last yatto on October 08, 2010, 08:30:20 am

Title: Welsh are people too?
Post by: the last yatto on October 08, 2010, 08:30:20 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11490897  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 08, 2010, 04:01:42 pm
No, it's just that Welsh people are voting to say that Welsh is a people language too.

I'm starting to get more ambivalent about measures like this. I like the idea of a country trying to maintain its cultural and linguistic heritage, but I don't necessarily see any benefit to it.

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They say the amendments will give the language equal status with English in Wales, requiring companies and public bodies to use more Welsh.

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He told Radio Wales the "beefed up" role of the proposed commissioner aimed to head off the need for people to take legal action over their rights to use Welsh when dealing with firms and public bodies.

He said: "The commissioner is there to enforce those standards [of Welsh language provision] so that Welsh speakers who want services through the medium of Welsh, can do so

Ok, this all sounds nice, since I think the figure is that 20% of Welsh people speak Welsh. But then consider that 100% of Welsh also speak English. I'm just picturing a Welsh speaker getting into some legal trouble and then insisting on having his rights read to him in Welsh when he already understands his rights, and requesting a Welsh speaking lawyer to translate for him in court.

I also don't see why companies should be required to use more Welsh since companies would naturally be dealing with the English speaking world.

For the record, I wouldn't see any sense in this if they instituted something similar in Ireland. I would see less sense in it, actually since a fewer percentage of Irish people use Irish.

I'd see the point in all of this if there were a significant portion of Welsh people who had trouble speaking English but were fluent in Welsh.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 08, 2010, 05:09:50 pm
WELL, I WOULDN'T GO SO FAR AS TO CALL THEM PEOPLE, BUT I WILL GRUDGINGLY ADMIT THAT MANY OF THEM ARE BIPEDS FOR AT LEAST PART OF THE WORKDAY.

[/Uncle Ruckus]
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Freeky on October 08, 2010, 05:11:00 pm
:lulz:
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: MMIX on October 08, 2010, 06:29:40 pm
Actually 100% of all children learn to speak are taught Welsh in schools but the language still isn't making much headway; except among the middle-class monoglot English speakers who think that having their kiddies taught in "Welsh medium" schools where everything is in Welsh will get them a better education - like the ones who get their kids into Church schools for the same reasons.
I suspect that the push to get more businesses to use Welsh is a backdoor way to try to convince kids that it is actually worth learning the language as it could be potentially useful to them in getting a good job.

NB There are more sheep working in Wales than people but those people are super people who can take in a message in the correct language at 20 mph or more from our gloriously complicated bilingual road signs

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/goblinhill/main_sign80006.jpg)

and are all experienced weightlifters from hefting the huge wadges of bumph that crash through our letter boxes in extravagantly bilingual format.

Wales eats trees!
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 08, 2010, 07:58:40 pm
Keep in mind that Wales is a nation under British occupation, and are trying to save their language and culture from being crushed into oblivion like Ireland and Scotland's have been.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 08, 2010, 08:04:37 pm
Keep in mind that Wales is a nation under British occupation, and are trying to save their language and culture from being crushed into oblivion like Ireland and Scotland's have been.

Irish:
391,470 fluent or native speakers (1983)[2]
1.66 million with some knowledge [1]
(2006 Irish Republic only)

United Kingdom (95,000)
USA (18,000)
EU (Official EU language)

Scottish Gaelic:
speakers 58,552 in Scotland.
92,400 people aged three and over in Scotland had some Gaelic language ability in 2001[2] with an additional 2,000 in Nova Scotia.[3] 1,610 speakers in the United States in 2000.[4] 822 in Australia in 2001.[5] 669 in New Zealand in 2006.[6]

Bedridden, but not crushed into oblivion.
 
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: MMIX on October 08, 2010, 08:12:07 pm
Keep in mind that Wales is a nation under British occupation, and are trying to save their language and culture from being crushed into oblivion like Ireland and Scotland's have been.

Oh you strange foreigners with your ridiculous notions . . .
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 08, 2010, 08:13:20 pm
Keep in mind that Wales is a nation under British occupation, and are trying to save their language and culture from being crushed into oblivion like Ireland and Scotland's have been.

Given the choices the Welsh made in the War of the Roses, I dunno if they can claim to be under occupation anymore.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 08, 2010, 08:16:21 pm
Keep in mind that Wales is a nation under British occupation, and are trying to save their language and culture from being crushed into oblivion like Ireland and Scotland's have been.

Given the choices the Welsh made in the War of the Roses, I dunno if they can claim to be under occupation anymore.

Don't let historical facts get in the way of your nationalism!

I hereby revoke your American citizenship for relying on facts to color your opinions of an issue!
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 08, 2010, 09:11:09 pm
Keep in mind that Wales is a nation under British occupation, and are trying to save their language and culture from being crushed into oblivion like Ireland and Scotland's have been.

Given the choices the Welsh made in the War of the Roses, I dunno if they can claim to be under occupation anymore.

Don't let historical facts get in the way of your nationalism!

I hereby revoke your American citizenship for relying on facts to color your opinions of an issue!

ACK! Thats what I get for reading Welsh History for entertainment :(
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 08, 2010, 09:14:24 pm
Keep in mind that Wales is a nation under British occupation, and are trying to save their language and culture from being crushed into oblivion like Ireland and Scotland's have been.

Given the choices the Welsh made in the War of the Roses, I dunno if they can claim to be under occupation anymore.

Don't let historical facts get in the way of your nationalism!

I hereby revoke your American citizenship for relying on facts to color your opinions of an issue!

ACK! Thats what I get for reading Welsh History for entertainment :(

Reading facts for entertainment? Ok, now we're going to have to put you on this boat.
It's not a very good ship but it will bring you to where we're sending you.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 08, 2010, 09:38:28 pm
Awwwww.... Does it help that it was background for my SCA persona? Surely that gets me American points...
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: MMIX on October 08, 2010, 10:01:59 pm
Awwwww.... Does it help that it was background for my SCA persona? Surely that gets me American points...

If you are really, really, nice to me I weon't tell you what British historical re-enactors jokingly say that SCA stands for
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 08, 2010, 10:03:51 pm
Awwwww.... Does it help that it was background for my SCA persona? Surely that gets me American points...

If you are really, really, nice to me I weon't tell you what British historical re-enactors jokingly say that SCA stands for

Could send me PM? I want to know!

Oh, and Tosk, I don't know... I will have to confer with INS
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 08, 2010, 10:07:56 pm
Awwwww.... Does it help that it was background for my SCA persona? Surely that gets me American points...

If you are really, really, nice to me I weon't tell you what British historical re-enactors jokingly say that SCA stands for

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

People who think SCA = Historical reenactment are sadly misinformed... Its a 40 year old costume party and a cult to Dionysus ;-)
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 08, 2010, 10:14:59 pm
Awwwww.... Does it help that it was background for my SCA persona? Surely that gets me American points...

If you are really, really, nice to me I weon't tell you what British historical re-enactors jokingly say that SCA stands for

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

People who think SCA = Historical reenactment are sadly misinformed... Its a 40 year old costume party and a cult to Dionysus ;-)

Hmm... I might be sold on such things just with that description.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 08, 2010, 10:17:58 pm
Awwwww.... Does it help that it was background for my SCA persona? Surely that gets me American points...

If you are really, really, nice to me I weon't tell you what British historical re-enactors jokingly say that SCA stands for

 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

People who think SCA = Historical reenactment are sadly misinformed... Its a 40 year old costume party and a cult to Dionysus ;-)

Hmm... I might be sold on such things just with that description.

And that is why I'm a member ;-)

Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Phox on October 08, 2010, 10:20:12 pm
SCA isn't nearly violent enough to qualify as a cult of Dionysus.  :lol:
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 08, 2010, 10:23:26 pm
SCA isn't nearly violent enough to qualify as a cult of Dionysus.  :lol:

That's ok. I'll take a watered down version. I'm kind of a wuss.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Don Coyote on October 08, 2010, 10:41:26 pm
If you can't get laid at Estrella War you might as well go on home.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 08, 2010, 10:48:31 pm
If you can't get laid at Estrella War you might as well go on home.

What's Estrella War?
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: BadBeast on October 08, 2010, 11:43:39 pm
I knew the Severn Bridge was a bad idea, and that sooner or later the Welsh were going to want to use it!
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 08, 2010, 11:46:24 pm
I knew the Severn Bridge was a bad idea, and that sooner or later the Welsh were going to want to use it!

No worries, just change the signs so that they are only in English. They won't know what bridge it is. Apparently that's a problem for them.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: BadBeast on October 08, 2010, 11:47:50 pm
I knew the Severn Bridge was a bad idea, and that sooner or later the Welsh were going to want to use it!

No worries, just change the signs so that they are only in English. They won't know what bridge it is. Apparently that's a problem for them.
Tried that. Seems some of them have a smattering of English. (Like Americans do, but with a better accent)
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Don Coyote on October 09, 2010, 12:16:36 am
If you can't get laid at Estrella War you might as well go on home.

What's Estrella War?
http://www.estrellawar.org/
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Estrella War is a week-long, annual event hosted by the Kingdom of Atenveldt, one of 19 Kingdoms (regional chapters) of the Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA), a not-for-profit educational organization that studies western European history by recreating the "best" pastimes and crafts of the Middle Ages.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: the dreadful hours on October 16, 2010, 01:16:08 pm
i dated a welsh, turned out the same as all the others
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: BadBeast on October 16, 2010, 11:16:57 pm
And of course the Welsh are people too. Welsh people.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: the last yatto on October 30, 2010, 09:30:32 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11654664
A Welsh-language pressure group is calling for people to refuse to pay the TV licence fee unless the independence of S4C is guaranteed.
The Welsh Language Society is urging the action from 1 December unless plans for the BBC to take over part funding of the channel are stopped.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 30, 2010, 11:56:31 pm
Another thing I hate about the British Isles.

TV licenses. Fucking retarded.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: MMIX on October 31, 2010, 12:21:02 am
I guess I'm just old-fashioned but I really prefer my programming without advertising like it used to be before the politicos tampered with Auntie [the Beeb]. Not all change is progress
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 02, 2010, 03:00:08 am
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TV licenses. Fucking retarded.

Yeah. I took mad offense at being forced to pay one as I had no TV, but the license man who came round said, 'ah, well, see, your PC has a TV in card, and that is technically capable of receiving BBC one if you plug it into that socket there see?'

'The fucking socket blocked behind my solid oak 10 foot bookshelf in a frankly unusable position yes?' said I

'Yes' says he.


'MEH!' said I.





What happens if you don't pay the license fee?
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Don Coyote on November 02, 2010, 03:07:00 am
You'll get a Courts' Summons for non-payment of TV Licence, and a criminal record and a fine. You then have to pay the unpaid licence fee's for however long they decide you were dodging em for too.

So call it 1500 pounds + whatever they stick on top + a criminal record.  :sad: for fucking TV.


yet another reason for me to not live on that island.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 02, 2010, 03:17:04 am
You'll get a Courts' Summons for non-payment of TV Licence, and a criminal record and a fine. You then have to pay the unpaid licence fee's for however long they decide you were dodging em for too.

So call it 1500 pounds + whatever they stick on top + a criminal record.  :sad: for fucking TV.



Even if you don't have a TV?
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Jasper on November 02, 2010, 03:49:28 am
You are required to pay for tv even if you do not use tv.

I think I will stay here in America, where we have socialized tv.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Jasper on November 02, 2010, 04:18:52 am
Bwa ha ha!  I think we can actually fuck with a lot of people with the phrase "socialized tv".  It has potential.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Jasper on November 02, 2010, 05:05:28 am
I think we should have this too.

It would create a lot of jobs.

We should also hire thousands of federal window breakers.  It would give repairmen jobs.

We can call it the Fuck You tax.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 02, 2010, 03:27:33 pm
I think we should have this too.

It would create a lot of jobs.

We should also hire thousands of federal window breakers.  It would give repairmen jobs.

We can call it the Fuck You tax shakedown.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 02, 2010, 03:29:43 pm
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You are required to pay for tv even if you do not use tv.
  :mrgreen:

Sums it all up nicely that does. Its mandatory to pay, even if you don't own or use one.

Also, I do not believe there is such a power-trip-obsessed-tin-pot-dictator-style-jobsworth-job in the USA as TV Licence Inspector.

Possibly traffic warden. Possibly.

DMV clerk.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 02, 2010, 06:05:01 pm
I shall visit this DMV next time Bella has to go, to see the horror first hand. I hear bad things.

It's like visiting the Soviet Union, and popping around the corner just to buy a roll of toilet paper.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: the last yatto on November 02, 2010, 09:43:15 pm
Id demand a paper license that I could hang on the wall
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 04, 2010, 04:23:03 am
Well, I guess we know where Mrs. Bernadine Behaf lived. At least in 1985.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 04, 2010, 03:09:52 pm
:lulz:
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: Suu on November 04, 2010, 10:05:12 pm
Fucking Brits spell license wrong. Just like color.
Title: Re: Welsh are people too?
Post by: MMIX on November 05, 2010, 12:26:56 am
Fucking Brits spell license wrong. Just like color.

Old meme is old - and we can tell the difference between a verb and a noun