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Title: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Patron Saint on December 17, 2012, 05:59:09 am
Being a devout discordian on days that end with q, I've found that from time to time I'm required to explain to the curious what discordianism is, which is like trying to tell an african child dealing with starvation what the internet is.

It usually doesn't go well.  I'll give my basic run through and see if anyone has a way to improve upon it because I've noticed some quirks.  I'm not trying to improve for the purposes of proselytizing, but just to satisfy those that are curious without them getting too quick an opinion and after that I'll explain the basic issues with this.

For starters though, I'll point out that it's not practical to just drop them the link since most people in the world have an attention span of squirrel! and can't be bothered to read words and stuff.  I'm trying to get a clear and concise message across with few words.

So here goes:

Prima: "Discordianism is an irreligion, which is to say it's not quite a religion at all in the usual sense."

Secunda: "So like flying spaghetti monster?" 

Prima:  "Sort of but not really.  Unlike FSM there is wisdom to be yielded one just needs to be insightful enough to separate the cream from the mixture."

Secunda:  "Like what?"

Prima:  "Well a lot of the teachings are rooted in Rinzai Zen, but I wouldn't say it's anywhere near as serious or drastic.  If anything it's a serious joke, jokingly serious... the concepts of paradox are kind of inherent in the teachings and one is instead encouraged to find their own way of being within the chaos of the world in a fashion that works for them."

This is usually where I run into problems, the term "joke" tends to automatically turn off the listener and they hear nothing else.  To some extent this can't be helped, some people won't think deeper than they are forced to, but I get the feeling it would be helpful I think to find a more eloquent way to explain that central concept without using a buzz word that will shut down their brains.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: McMegaDeff on December 17, 2012, 06:11:10 am
Sort of like proof of the pudding
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Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 17, 2012, 06:30:13 am
I tell people it's a philosophy related to Taoism, that encourages us to question everything and not take ourselves too seriously.

They seem to accept that pretty easily and it allows me to be honest with my co-workers without coming across as too much of a kook.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Patron Saint on December 17, 2012, 06:34:24 am
I tell people it's a philosophy related to Taoism, that encourages us to question everything and not take ourselves too seriously.

They seem to accept that pretty easily and it allows me to be honest with my co-workers without coming across as too much of a kook.

fair enough.  Still looking to see more thoughts.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 17, 2012, 06:45:41 am
I tell people it's a philosophy related to Taoism, that encourages us to question everything and not take ourselves too seriously.

They seem to accept that pretty easily and it allows me to be honest with my co-workers without coming across as too much of a kook.

fair enough.  Still looking to see more thoughts.

That was the only one I had

goodnight.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: AFK on December 17, 2012, 12:35:20 pm
The thing is, if you are talking to your averag every day joe, even referencing Taoism and Zen is going to get you in trouble.  They're going to start thinking about sage burning weirdos with Asian fetishes. 


That is what I loved about the BIP project and why I think it drew so much attention.  We didn't laden it with the "joke wrapped in religion wrapped in joke" stuff and we didn't laden it with mystical terminology.  It was written in language and used terminology that anyone could get. 
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Patron Saint on December 17, 2012, 01:12:10 pm
The thing is, if you are talking to your averag every day joe, even referencing Taoism and Zen is going to get you in trouble.  They're going to start thinking about sage burning weirdos with Asian fetishes. 


That is what I loved about the BIP project and why I think it drew so much attention.  We didn't laden it with the "joke wrapped in religion wrapped in joke" stuff and we didn't laden it with mystical terminology.  It was written in language and used terminology that anyone could get.

I never actually read the finished versions, but I recall the drafts.  I remember them not sitting well with me because they seemed to take the ideas posed too seriously.  That has it's time and place of course, and plenty of value contained, but unless the content drastically changed I don't think I'd equate the text to the PD.  For me the joke is the part of it... the part that frees one from the pressure and what makes Discordianism different from any other religion that takes itself seriously.  I kind of feel like without that aspect I'm missing one of the things I value most from the mental exercises posed in the PD.  Plus as previously mentioned, getting someone to read anything is rough, even just a t-shirt.

Also I think your "sage burning" quote would apply less to those I traffic with and more to those I don't.  Being insulated somewhat by weirdos, I almost never encounter "normals" in social circles.  Most people I know are flippy in some way.  Burners, Circus performers, Fetish Artists, Internet Trolls, and other things not common among everyday Cul-de-sac Joe.  I accept that isn't likely the world for most people, but for me, encountering someone who is just a little bit weird is rare from the opposite direction.  As such most of them are sage burning hippies or in the case that they stealth as normals, have some incredibly fucked up weird shit about them that they don't let the rest of the world in on and have no space to throw stones in glass houses.

On a side note, I'm also thinking that I do recall that I do meet grey faced bores on occasion but tend to assimilate them to the dork side over time if they are chill.  Unrelated to the topic at hand, but a thought that popped up... I recall this happening somewhat recently (past 6 months) with a new co-worker.  After hanging around myself for a bit she later confided in me that her husband was starting to think she was going weird because she talked about poop at the table in some connotation of some internet thing I mentioned to her casually.  I cracked up at her story, but for all the wrong reasons and assured that indeed she was indeed edgy and cool, when really the thought made me wonder why the hell she would consider that story worthy.  Regardless I thought it best to encourage her having fun and cutting loose.  Turned out they had me over for dinner a few times and soon enough her husband cut loose a bit too and good times were had.

Kind of a bit off track there, but I think it brings home the point about the joke-serious paradox being crucial for me as part of Discordianism.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: AFK on December 17, 2012, 02:00:55 pm
Fair points. 


I am a firm believer in taking humor seriously, it is a needed balance in a very serious world.  And maybe that's a way to couch it.  As a sort of ballast or counter weight.  It isn't jokes for the sake of jokes.  It's jokes because the world NEEDS jokes.  It needs to not take itself so seriously all the time. Sometimes, you just need to step back and fucking laugh.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: LMNO on December 17, 2012, 02:16:13 pm
There is humor in the BIP, it's just fairly grim.  And it's not meant to be a standalone, either.

Also, if you're genuinely interested, this has been tossed about more than a few times before.

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,17570.15.html
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,29998.0.html
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,30195.0.html

To get you started.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 17, 2012, 04:06:35 pm
The thing is, if you are talking to your averag every day joe, even referencing Taoism and Zen is going to get you in trouble.  They're going to start thinking about sage burning weirdos with Asian fetishes. 


That's not how it is on the West coast at all, even slightly. Not even in the country.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Don Coyote on December 17, 2012, 07:18:47 pm
Tomahawks.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 17, 2012, 07:19:23 pm
Tomahawks.

This.  Also, Samoan war clubs and stolen ipods.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Salty on December 17, 2012, 08:39:58 pm
The unaware will be loaded into a Sol-bound rocket when The Time comes.

There'll be an educational video to watch a couple hundred times on the way.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mr. MumboJumbo on January 15, 2013, 03:58:10 pm
I've been thinking a lot lately (for a slug) on how to approach this issue more effectively. I think it's important to 'be the fish' before going fishing. There's so many aspects to Discordianism that it's easy to confuse/amuse people, but that's not going work as well as appealing to their fears/desires. Give people what they want to hear, and they'll pick up the rest later, in their own way.

Right now, in a general sense (it should be tailored to each fish if possible), I'm chosing to describe Discordianism as a means of increasing empathy, open-mindedness, expanding perceptions...partly through understanding/accepting strife and making it turn it's frown upside-down. In this way I provide some part of their unconscious a promise for betterment, and a cure for woes.
The method of fishing can change, because Discordianism has so many aspects at it's disposal that we just need to pull out what's appropriate to whoever we're targeting...tell the Hippies it's all about love and weed, tell the Christians it's a way to increase their relationship with Jesus, tell the Axe Murderers it'll increase their hunting skills...etc..etc...

Is any sense being made here?
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2013, 04:09:00 pm
I've been thinking a lot lately (for a slug) on how to approach this issue more effectively. I think it's important to 'be the fish' before going fishing. There's so many aspects to Discordianism that it's easy to confuse/amuse people, but that's not going work as well as appealing to their fears/desires. Give people what they want to hear, and they'll pick up the rest later, in their own way.

Right now, in a general sense (it should be tailored to each fish if possible), I'm chosing to describe Discordianism as a means of increasing empathy, open-mindedness, expanding perceptions...partly through understanding/accepting strife and making it turn it's frown upside-down. In this way I provide some part of their unconscious a promise for betterment, and a cure for woes.
The method of fishing can change, because Discordianism has so many aspects at it's disposal that we just need to pull out what's appropriate to whoever we're targeting...tell the Hippies it's all about love and weed, tell the Christians it's a way to increase their relationship with Jesus, tell the Axe Murderers it'll increase their hunting skills...etc..etc...

Is any sense being made here?

"I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."
- JR "Bob" Dobbs

What THEIR Discordia is, is different from YOUR Discordia or MY Discordia.  MY Discordia has an actual set of parameters, none of which include indulging patchouli-stinking hippies who think the height of original thought is screeching "SMOKE EVERY DAY!"  Nor is it finding ways to kiss the pimply arse of people from those OTHER RELIGIONS who spend all day trying to think of faux-witty, cutesy "proofs" with which to convert me.

And I'm reasonably sure My Discordia doesn't involve empathy or "expanded perceptions", or any of that other touchy-feely claptrap.  I in fact shit on the very idea from a great height.  My perceptions are FINE, it's what I DO with those perceptions that I have to work on...And if someone hasn't got empathy, that person is a Goddamn sociopath and it's TOO LATE for me to help him/her. 

There is no need to dress Discordia up in a nice suit (unless it's to get close enough to do something you couldn't otherwise do) to make the Pinkboys feel more comfortable about their pot obsession.  There is no need to pretend it's something that it's not so that Christians or 7th Day Adventists or Pastafarians will feel welcome.  If they're MY kind of people, even if they belong to the above groups, they ALREADY feel comfortable, and everyone else can just SHUT UP. 

ETA:  That's MY Discordia.  Yours may be different.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2013, 04:31:51 pm
In fact, there is NOTHING certain about Discordia, except that RESULTS MAY VARY.  MAYBE.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mr. MumboJumbo on January 15, 2013, 04:35:08 pm
I've been thinking a lot lately (for a slug) on how to approach this issue more effectively. I think it's important to 'be the fish' before going fishing. There's so many aspects to Discordianism that it's easy to confuse/amuse people, but that's not going work as well as appealing to their fears/desires. Give people what they want to hear, and they'll pick up the rest later, in their own way.

Right now, in a general sense (it should be tailored to each fish if possible), I'm chosing to describe Discordianism as a means of increasing empathy, open-mindedness, expanding perceptions...partly through understanding/accepting strife and making it turn it's frown upside-down. In this way I provide some part of their unconscious a promise for betterment, and a cure for woes.
The method of fishing can change, because Discordianism has so many aspects at it's disposal that we just need to pull out what's appropriate to whoever we're targeting...tell the Hippies it's all about love and weed, tell the Christians it's a way to increase their relationship with Jesus, tell the Axe Murderers it'll increase their hunting skills...etc..etc...

Is any sense being made here?

"I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."
- JR "Bob" Dobbs

What THEIR Discordia is, is different from YOUR Discordia or MY Discordia.  MY Discordia has an actual set of parameters, none of which include indulging patchouli-stinking hippies who think the height of original thought is screeching "SMOKE EVERY DAY!"  Nor is it finding ways to kiss the pimply arse of people from those OTHER RELIGIONS who spend all day trying to think of faux-witty, cutesy "proofs" with which to convert me.

And I'm reasonably sure My Discordia doesn't involve empathy or "expanded perceptions", or any of that other touchy-feely claptrap.  I in fact shit on the very idea from a great height.  My perceptions are FINE, it's what I DO with those perceptions that I have to work on...And if someone hasn't got empathy, that person is a Goddamn sociopath and it's TOO LATE for me to help him/her. 

There is no need to dress Discordia up in a nice suit (unless it's to get close enough to do something you couldn't otherwise do) to make the Pinkboys feel more comfortable about their pot obsession.  There is no need to pretend it's something that it's not so that Christians or 7th Day Adventists or Pastafarians will feel welcome.  If they're MY kind of people, even if they belong to the above groups, they ALREADY feel comfortable, and everyone else can just SHUT UP. 

ETA:  That's MY Discordia.  Yours may be different.

It's not pretending it's something it's not, it's creatively highlighting whatever will get people's foot in the door, so that they may eventually shed their former selves, and be more like you :)
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2013, 04:39:06 pm
It's not pretending it's something it's not, it's creatively highlighting whatever will get people's foot in the door, so that they may eventually shed their former selves, and be more like you :)

Nobody needs another TGRR.  Especially not me.  Unless you cloned me, in which case I'd never leave the fucking house.  I don't WANT people to be like me, and I hope YOU DON'T, EITHER.

No.  I want people to be themselves.  On someone else's planet.

And if they can't be themselves, then Discordia will be of no use to them, and they'd FUCK IT UP FOR ME, because there'd be RULES and shit all of a sudden, and I wouldn't be able to shit in the poorbox anymore.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 15, 2013, 04:39:28 pm
I've been thinking a lot lately (for a slug) on how to approach this issue more effectively. I think it's important to 'be the fish' before going fishing. There's so many aspects to Discordianism that it's easy to confuse/amuse people, but that's not going work as well as appealing to their fears/desires. Give people what they want to hear, and they'll pick up the rest later, in their own way.

Right now, in a general sense (it should be tailored to each fish if possible), I'm chosing to describe Discordianism as a means of increasing empathy, open-mindedness, expanding perceptions...partly through understanding/accepting strife and making it turn it's frown upside-down. In this way I provide some part of their unconscious a promise for betterment, and a cure for woes.
The method of fishing can change, because Discordianism has so many aspects at it's disposal that we just need to pull out what's appropriate to whoever we're targeting...tell the Hippies it's all about love and weed, tell the Christians it's a way to increase their relationship with Jesus, tell the Axe Murderers it'll increase their hunting skills...etc..etc...

Is any sense being made here?

"I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."
- JR "Bob" Dobbs

What THEIR Discordia is, is different from YOUR Discordia or MY Discordia.  MY Discordia has an actual set of parameters, none of which include indulging patchouli-stinking hippies who think the height of original thought is screeching "SMOKE EVERY DAY!"  Nor is it finding ways to kiss the pimply arse of people from those OTHER RELIGIONS who spend all day trying to think of faux-witty, cutesy "proofs" with which to convert me.

And I'm reasonably sure My Discordia doesn't involve empathy or "expanded perceptions", or any of that other touchy-feely claptrap.  I in fact shit on the very idea from a great height.  My perceptions are FINE, it's what I DO with those perceptions that I have to work on...And if someone hasn't got empathy, that person is a Goddamn sociopath and it's TOO LATE for me to help him/her. 

There is no need to dress Discordia up in a nice suit (unless it's to get close enough to do something you couldn't otherwise do) to make the Pinkboys feel more comfortable about their pot obsession.  There is no need to pretend it's something that it's not so that Christians or 7th Day Adventists or Pastafarians will feel welcome.  If they're MY kind of people, even if they belong to the above groups, they ALREADY feel comfortable, and everyone else can just SHUT UP. 

ETA:  That's MY Discordia.  Yours may be different.

It's not pretending it's something it's not, it's creatively highlighting whatever will get people's foot in the door, so that they may eventually shed their former selves, and be more like you :)

WHAT

I THINK YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT

NOBODY SHOULD BE MORE LIKE ROGER.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2013, 04:44:04 pm
I'm not saying you shouldn't evangelize or go witlessing.  I'm saying it's better if you show them the skull behind the smile RIGHT UP FRONT so that they can't complain about false advertising later.  Also, if you make it JUST LIKE WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE, then what the hell reason would they have for joining, unless they think it's a chance for more stupid word games?

Discordia just works better if you've got your pants around your ankles and your crazy hanging out.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2013, 05:00:09 pm
Example of TGRR Evangelism:

Roger:  *brings up Discordianism in conversation*

Potential Convert:  "What's that?  Isn't that some sort of cult?"

Roger:  "Yes, but we're too lazy to spike the Koolaid."

PC:  "No, seriously."

Roger:  "How many cults tell you to think for yourself, and mean it?"

PC:  "So, what IS it?"

Roger:  "It is the study of seeing the world as it really is, not as we'd LIKE it to be."

PC:  "Every religion says that."

Roger:  "But do you hear them laughing?"

PC:  "Maybe there's nothing to laugh about.  The world sucks."

Roger:  "No, the world is WEIRD.  We're here to keep it that way.  If things start getting boring, why, we just start sawing the legs off to watch it all fall over."

PC:  "So, you're anarchists?"

Roger:  "No.  Anarchists have a goal.?"

PC:  "So, you're nihilists?"

Roger:  "No, never saw the point in nihilism."

PC:  "..."

Roger:  "Been waiting to use that line for 4 years."

PC:  "You're an idiot.  I'm leaving."

Roger:  "Don't forget to write!"



See?  Easy.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mr. MumboJumbo on January 15, 2013, 05:17:42 pm
I'm not saying you shouldn't evangelize or go witlessing.  I'm saying it's better if you show them the skull behind the smile RIGHT UP FRONT so that they can't complain about false advertising later.  Also, if you make it JUST LIKE WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE, then what the hell reason would they have for joining, unless they think it's a chance for more stupid word games?

Discordia just works better if you've got your pants around your ankles and your crazy hanging out.

I didn't at all mean we should misrepresent it as something it's not, just to customize the approach depending on the target, IF the act of 'describing Discordia' has anything to do with the desire to increase recruitment. And even if it seems like false advertizing now, it won't if they actually 'get it' later. If they don't...fuck'em. If someone's going to give the coyote shit for leading them on a wild goose chase and ignore what the exercise taught them, then they probably weren't meant for it. Hey even if they get pissed, they'll probably advertize their distaste, and advertizing is good.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2013, 05:20:57 pm
I'm not saying you shouldn't evangelize or go witlessing.  I'm saying it's better if you show them the skull behind the smile RIGHT UP FRONT so that they can't complain about false advertising later.  Also, if you make it JUST LIKE WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE, then what the hell reason would they have for joining, unless they think it's a chance for more stupid word games?

Discordia just works better if you've got your pants around your ankles and your crazy hanging out.

I didn't at all mean we should misrepresent it as something it's not, just to customize the approach depending on the target, IF the act of 'describing Discordia' has anything to do with the desire to increase recruitment. And even if it seems like false advertizing now, it won't if they actually 'get it' later. If they don't...fuck'em. If someone's going to give the coyote shit for leading them on a wild goose chase and ignore what the exercise taught them, then they probably weren't meant for it. Hey even if they get pissed, they'll probably advertize their distaste, and advertizing is good.

Well, first we have to ask ourselves, "Do we WANT to increase recruitment, or should people find us?"  This isn't the Church of the Subgenius (though many of us are members of that crowd), and therefore we don't get PAID for people signing up...So is it better for us to go find assholes, or let assholes find us?
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mr. MumboJumbo on January 15, 2013, 06:16:10 pm
I'm not saying you shouldn't evangelize or go witlessing.  I'm saying it's better if you show them the skull behind the smile RIGHT UP FRONT so that they can't complain about false advertising later.  Also, if you make it JUST LIKE WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE, then what the hell reason would they have for joining, unless they think it's a chance for more stupid word games?

Discordia just works better if you've got your pants around your ankles and your crazy hanging out.

I didn't at all mean we should misrepresent it as something it's not, just to customize the approach depending on the target, IF the act of 'describing Discordia' has anything to do with the desire to increase recruitment. And even if it seems like false advertizing now, it won't if they actually 'get it' later. If they don't...fuck'em. If someone's going to give the coyote shit for leading them on a wild goose chase and ignore what the exercise taught them, then they probably weren't meant for it. Hey even if they get pissed, they'll probably advertize their distaste, and advertizing is good.

Well, first we have to ask ourselves, "Do we WANT to increase recruitment, or should people find us?"  This isn't the Church of the Subgenius (though many of us are members of that crowd), and therefore we don't get PAID for people signing up...So is it better for us to go find assholes, or let assholes find us?

Of course! But in my defense why would anyone inquire as to the 'best way to describe' something if they weren't concerned about potentially recruiting or enticing others into that something?
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: LMNO on January 15, 2013, 06:18:34 pm
Defensive maneuvers.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2013, 06:21:49 pm
I'm not saying you shouldn't evangelize or go witlessing.  I'm saying it's better if you show them the skull behind the smile RIGHT UP FRONT so that they can't complain about false advertising later.  Also, if you make it JUST LIKE WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE, then what the hell reason would they have for joining, unless they think it's a chance for more stupid word games?

Discordia just works better if you've got your pants around your ankles and your crazy hanging out.

I didn't at all mean we should misrepresent it as something it's not, just to customize the approach depending on the target, IF the act of 'describing Discordia' has anything to do with the desire to increase recruitment. And even if it seems like false advertizing now, it won't if they actually 'get it' later. If they don't...fuck'em. If someone's going to give the coyote shit for leading them on a wild goose chase and ignore what the exercise taught them, then they probably weren't meant for it. Hey even if they get pissed, they'll probably advertize their distaste, and advertizing is good.

Well, first we have to ask ourselves, "Do we WANT to increase recruitment, or should people find us?"  This isn't the Church of the Subgenius (though many of us are members of that crowd), and therefore we don't get PAID for people signing up...So is it better for us to go find assholes, or let assholes find us?

Of course! But in my defense why would anyone inquire as to the 'best way to describe' something if they weren't concerned about potentially recruiting or enticing others into that something?

Because the person inquiring was AKK under a different moniker.  He's sort of like Gavriel wossname on FB...HE'S A GODDAMN DISCORDIAN, AND HE'S HERE TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT IT.  Tiresome.

Thing is, the best method I have found to recruit people, if that's what's desired, is to go to a board like Mysticwicks or TCC...Or hell, Facebook, and then just do what I do naturally.  A certain kind of person responds to that.  Specifically, the kind of person that will horse laugh at things that normal people won't even discuss.  The kind of people who like to TAKE the piss, instead of getting pissy.

Recent case:  You.

Recent counterexamples:  Taylor Hill, Damon wossname, and that asshole who keeps posting trite one-liners.  You know the guy.

Best part of this method is that I'm not excluding anyone.  I am not leading, or choosing.  I am walking along, shitting on the pavement, and like-minded individuals may or may not choose to do the same, as the mood hits them.

I mean, if I wanted My Discordia to be inane bullshit, I'd just go over to FB more or less permanently, and forget this place.

Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on January 15, 2013, 06:33:26 pm
FB = Z0MG PINEAL!!!1! *youtube music video* *lame joke* *LOOK HOW RANDOM I IS!*
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2013, 06:34:37 pm
FB = Z0MG PINEAL!!!1! *youtube music video* *lame joke* *LOOK HOW RANDOM I IS!*

Pretty much.

When I think of the 20 or so users from here who went THERE, it makes me ill.  Not because they left, but because they seemed so smart while they were here, if you know what I mean.

Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mr. MumboJumbo on January 15, 2013, 06:46:30 pm
Are there any threads here that haven't been reduced to FB bashing yet? I mean I'm new here, but you guys seem obsessed.  :evil:
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2013, 06:56:49 pm
I think I am now disappointed in Steve.

 :|

I'm out.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mr. MumboJumbo on January 15, 2013, 07:12:54 pm
I think I am now disappointed in Steve.

 :|

I'm out.

Aw, sorry to disappoint you. On the(my) plus side, it's better than having you be indifferent towards me.   :sad:
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2013, 07:16:26 pm
I think I am now disappointed in Steve.

 :|

I'm out.

Aw, sorry to disappoint you. On the(my) plus side, it's better than having you be indifferent towards me.   :sad:

Um, it's exactly what you get.  I expected better things out of you than some simple-minded passive-aggressive crap, and you didn't deliver. 

I don't know what I was thinking, expecting anything else.

In any case, do what you Like.  I'm going to go do something else now.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mr. MumboJumbo on January 15, 2013, 07:49:21 pm
I think I am now disappointed in Steve.

 :|

I'm out.

Aw, sorry to disappoint you. On the(my) plus side, it's better than having you be indifferent towards me.   :sad:

Um, it's exactly what you get.  I expected better things out of you than some simple-minded passive-aggressive crap, and you didn't deliver. 

I don't know what I was thinking, expecting anything else.

In any case, do what you Like.  I'm going to go do something else now.

I was raised by Facebooks! Have a heart you heartless bastard.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 15, 2013, 09:20:34 pm
I'm not saying you shouldn't evangelize or go witlessing.  I'm saying it's better if you show them the skull behind the smile RIGHT UP FRONT so that they can't complain about false advertising later.  Also, if you make it JUST LIKE WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE, then what the hell reason would they have for joining, unless they think it's a chance for more stupid word games?

Discordia just works better if you've got your pants around your ankles and your crazy hanging out.

I didn't at all mean we should misrepresent it as something it's not, just to customize the approach depending on the target, IF the act of 'describing Discordia' has anything to do with the desire to increase recruitment. And even if it seems like false advertizing now, it won't if they actually 'get it' later. If they don't...fuck'em. If someone's going to give the coyote shit for leading them on a wild goose chase and ignore what the exercise taught them, then they probably weren't meant for it. Hey even if they get pissed, they'll probably advertize their distaste, and advertizing is good.

I don't believe in proselytizing, and I can't for the life of me imagine going evangelical Discordian.

If I am responsible for people converting, it's because I'm myself, and I'm so fucking awesome that people look at me and say "I wish I was having that much fun".
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2013, 09:21:54 pm
I don't believe in proselytizing, and I can't for the life of me imagine going evangelical Discordian.

For one thing, it seems like work.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 15, 2013, 09:22:05 pm
Are there any threads here that haven't been reduced to FB bashing yet? I mean I'm new here, but you guys seem obsessed.  :evil:

All of them other than this one. Maybe you would know that if you bothered to read any of the others.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 15, 2013, 09:22:50 pm
I don't believe in proselytizing, and I can't for the life of me imagine going evangelical Discordian.

For one thing, it seems like work.

Seriously. Like I don't get enough of that.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2013, 09:24:45 pm
Are there any threads here that haven't been reduced to FB bashing yet? I mean I'm new here, but you guys seem obsessed.  :evil:

All of them other than this one. Maybe you would know that if you bothered to read any of the others.

There's only 17752 threads.  3 of them mention Facebook Discordians.

That's 0.00689% of everything we talk about.

I think I have to UNG now.





UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NNNNNG!
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mr. MumboJumbo on January 15, 2013, 09:56:56 pm
Are there any threads here that haven't been reduced to FB bashing yet? I mean I'm new here, but you guys seem obsessed.  :evil:

All of them other than this one. Maybe you would know that if you bothered to read any of the others.

I like teasing the Rev here and there, just because I can, and it's my way of loving him, like his hate is his way of loving me. Also because I think the shake-up over at FB is slightly misguided in some respects...

The particular group being used as the example of FB Discordianism is "The Discordian Society". It's fallen apart in the last few years, mostly through a complete lack of moderation (we're currently being spammed by a homeless, Jesus loving retard who's running for Mayor (of MY CITY!)).

EventGasm hapenned, and most left to the other, Cramulus run Discordian group(s). The void was filled with all sorts of people who may or may not even know what Discordianism is. Many just regard that place as a platform for them to push the limits of what is conventionally considered tasteful. The beef should be with the NAME of the group or the lack of direction. Really it should be called  "Discordianish-types-fucking-around-with-no-purpose-and-shooting-the-shit" or something. Using that group as 'the' example of FB Discordianism is just too easy. Hate the spiders, but focus on whoever left the window open and make them stop. Either that or make yourselves a permanent figure there and be the gatekeepers (most haters come and then disappear).

And I like the idea brought up (lost the thread) about you guys attacking it all at once. That sounds like more fun than a treeful of monkeys. Or get together and make a new bad-ass group. I dunno.

Hello M. Nigel Salt BTW, nice to meet you.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 15, 2013, 10:20:43 pm
Are there any threads here that haven't been reduced to FB bashing yet? I mean I'm new here, but you guys seem obsessed.  :evil:

All of them other than this one. Maybe you would know that if you bothered to read any of the others.

I like teasing the Rev here and there, just because I can, and it's my way of loving him, like his hate is his way of loving me. Also because I think the shake-up over at FB is slightly misguided in some respects...

The particular group being used as the example of FB Discordianism is "The Discordian Society". It's fallen apart in the last few years, mostly through a complete lack of moderation (we're currently being spammed by a homeless, Jesus loving retard who's running for Mayor (of MY CITY!)).

EventGasm hapenned, and most left to the other, Cramulus run Discordian group(s). The void was filled with all sorts of people who may or may not even know what Discordianism is. Many just regard that place as a platform for them to push the limits of what is conventionally considered tasteful. The beef should be with the NAME of the group or the lack of direction. Really it should be called  "Discordianish-types-fucking-around-with-no-purpose-and-shooting-the-shit" or something. Using that group as 'the' example of FB Discordianism is just too easy. Hate the spiders, but focus on whoever left the window open and make them stop. Either that or make yourselves a permanent figure there and be the gatekeepers (most haters come and then disappear).

And I like the idea brought up (lost the thread) about you guys attacking it all at once. That sounds like more fun than a treeful of monkeys. Or get together and make a new bad-ass group. I dunno.

Hello M. Nigel Salt BTW, nice to meet you.

 :lulz: I like how you're under the impression that I'm not familiar with the group or its history.

Nice to meet you too, Steve. Carry on.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: AFK on January 16, 2013, 02:04:23 am
I've been thinking a lot lately (for a slug) on how to approach this issue more effectively. I think it's important to 'be the fish' before going fishing. There's so many aspects to Discordianism that it's easy to confuse/amuse people, but that's not going work as well as appealing to their fears/desires. Give people what they want to hear, and they'll pick up the rest later, in their own way.

Right now, in a general sense (it should be tailored to each fish if possible), I'm chosing to describe Discordianism as a means of increasing empathy, open-mindedness, expanding perceptions...partly through understanding/accepting strife and making it turn it's frown upside-down. In this way I provide some part of their unconscious a promise for betterment, and a cure for woes.
The method of fishing can change, because Discordianism has so many aspects at it's disposal that we just need to pull out what's appropriate to whoever we're targeting...tell the Hippies it's all about love and weed, tell the Christians it's a way to increase their relationship with Jesus, tell the Axe Murderers it'll increase their hunting skills...etc..etc...

Is any sense being made here?


But, it isn't all about anything.  Right there you are already betraying Discordianism by trying to tie it up in a neat package which the book goes to great lengths to discourage.  And honestly, I'm worried less about converting someone so that they can say they are part of a Discordian movement.  I'd rather just have the person start to explore themselves and understand the limits and parameters they have, probably unwittingly, placed upon themselves, their lives, and the way they proceed through those lives.  Expanding vision.  Tapping back into that imagination and creativity that adulthood buried.  The label is unimportant.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Ben Shapiro on January 16, 2013, 03:06:34 am
Good times are born here, and hipsters never retire here.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Bu🤠ns on January 16, 2013, 04:58:54 am
Thing is, the best method I have found to recruit people, if that's what's desired, is to go to a board like Mysticwicks or TCC...Or hell, Facebook, and then just do what I do naturally.  A certain kind of person responds to that.  Specifically, the kind of person that will horse laugh at things that normal people won't even discuss.  The kind of people who like to TAKE the piss, instead of getting pissy.

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Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2013, 02:38:25 pm
 :lulz:
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 16, 2013, 03:02:10 pm
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How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,28695.0.html
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 16, 2013, 03:27:58 pm
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How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,28695.0.html

This is one of my all-time most favorite threads, anywhere, ever. I showed up after being gone for two months and was like "I AM UNAWARE OF WTF IS GOING ON HERE, BUT I LOVE IT".
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 16, 2013, 03:42:13 pm
Hell yeah. Also coyote ended up owning the shiv out of that thread
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mr. MumboJumbo on January 16, 2013, 03:56:30 pm
I've been thinking a lot lately (for a slug) on how to approach this issue more effectively. I think it's important to 'be the fish' before going fishing. There's so many aspects to Discordianism that it's easy to confuse/amuse people, but that's not going work as well as appealing to their fears/desires. Give people what they want to hear, and they'll pick up the rest later, in their own way.

Right now, in a general sense (it should be tailored to each fish if possible), I'm chosing to describe Discordianism as a means of increasing empathy, open-mindedness, expanding perceptions...partly through understanding/accepting strife and making it turn it's frown upside-down. In this way I provide some part of their unconscious a promise for betterment, and a cure for woes.
The method of fishing can change, because Discordianism has so many aspects at it's disposal that we just need to pull out what's appropriate to whoever we're targeting...tell the Hippies it's all about love and weed, tell the Christians it's a way to increase their relationship with Jesus, tell the Axe Murderers it'll increase their hunting skills...etc..etc...

Is any sense being made here?


But, it isn't all about anything.  Right there you are already betraying Discordianism by trying to tie it up in a neat package which the book goes to great lengths to discourage.  And honestly, I'm worried less about converting someone so that they can say they are part of a Discordian movement.  I'd rather just have the person start to explore themselves and understand the limits and parameters they have, probably unwittingly, placed upon themselves, their lives, and the way they proceed through those lives.  Expanding vision.  Tapping back into that imagination and creativity that adulthood buried.  The label is unimportant.

Hello Rev. What's-His-Name? (Is that Rogie-Poo or another Rev??)

I was merely offering an idea on one possible way to increase interest in
Discordianism™, if that's what someone reading might think is a worthwhile
thing to do. The question "How best to describe Discordianism™ to the
unaware?" to me implies some sort of concearn over how Discordianism™ is
portrayed/perceived. I guess I expanded on that too much (thinking more along the lines of online campaigns to increase exposure to whatever Discordianism™
may or may not be) when he/she was simply curious how others handle similar social situations in RL. I apologize if I missed the point and used that as an excuse to further my selfish, hypothetical agenda.

As for the "betraying Discordianism by trying to tie it up in a neat package" comment, I thought I was pretty clear that what I was purposing was a way of giving unaware people a way of getting interested in something which can be so very difficult to find on their own, so that they may eventually have at least a chance of learning something. Those that have no way of dipping their feet in the water on their own at least deserve to know that there's a massive ocean out there (best metaphor I can think of while very busy at work)...even if I have to tell them we're going to Disneyland as I drive to the dentist, anyone worth 'having' will understand when they grow up, but this is getting a little old, again I apologise.

Also, it's spelled Discordianism™ (from now on).

Whew! This illumination process is exhausting. Good thing I always remember to do my stretches before I log on here or I'd pull something for sure.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Don Coyote on January 16, 2013, 04:05:54 pm
Hell yeah. Also coyote ended up owning the shiv out of that thread

It also spawned the 'Roger not even once' thread.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 16, 2013, 04:06:41 pm
That's What's-His-Name. Roger is still Roger.

And knock it off with the treacle, that's seriously getting old and was never funny.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2013, 04:07:08 pm
Hello Rev. What's-His-Name? (Is that Rogie-Poo or another Rev??)



I am everyone on the internet, Stevie, except you.

And I wouldn't be too sure about you.

Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 16, 2013, 04:07:29 pm
Hell yeah. Also coyote ended up owning the shiv out of that thread

It also spawned the 'Roger not even once' thread.

Oh fuck yes!
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2013, 04:08:47 pm
Hell yeah. Also coyote ended up owning the shiv out of that thread

It also spawned the 'Roger not even once' thread.

Oh fuck yes!

But the first Roger is FREE, kid!
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2013, 04:10:44 pm
That's What's-His-Name. Roger is still Roger.

And knock it off with the treacle, that's seriously getting old and was never funny.

I disagree.  It IS funny, but not in the way he thinks.

I mean, he's the FIRST GUY EVER to come down the pike with a boner for me, and expressing that boner with condescension.  That's NEW, and has never happened before a million times.  He's an ORIGINAL and a WACKY, ZANY CHARACTER.

Just like all the others over the last 10 years.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mr. MumboJumbo on January 16, 2013, 04:17:32 pm
That's What's-His-Name. Roger is still Roger.

And knock it off with the treacle, that's seriously getting old and was never funny.

I disagree.  It IS funny, but not in the way he thinks.

I mean, he's the FIRST GUY EVER to come down the pike with a boner for me, and expressing that boner with condescension.  That's NEW, and has never happened before a million times.  He's an ORIGINAL and a WACKY, ZANY CHARACTER.

Just like all the others over the last 10 years.

I never claimed to offer anything NEW, I just gotta be me.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2013, 04:18:11 pm
The humor is in the disconnect between what he THINKS he's accomplishing and what he actually IS accomplishing.

He THINKS he's fostering butthurt and STICKING IT TO THE MAN.

He IS coming off the like the same old, pathetic schtick that we've seen so many times.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2013, 04:18:43 pm
That's What's-His-Name. Roger is still Roger.

And knock it off with the treacle, that's seriously getting old and was never funny.

I disagree.  It IS funny, but not in the way he thinks.

I mean, he's the FIRST GUY EVER to come down the pike with a boner for me, and expressing that boner with condescension.  That's NEW, and has never happened before a million times.  He's an ORIGINAL and a WACKY, ZANY CHARACTER.

Just like all the others over the last 10 years.

I never claimed to offer anything NEW, I just gotta be me.

Well, at least peel the shrink wrap off first, scrub.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mr. MumboJumbo on January 16, 2013, 04:23:18 pm
The humor is in the disconnect between what he THINKS he's accomplishing and what he actually IS accomplishing.

He THINKS he's fostering butthurt and STICKING IT TO THE MAN.

He IS coming off the like the same old, pathetic schtick that we've seen so many times.

That's only one small PART of what I think I'm fostering.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2013, 04:28:56 pm
The humor is in the disconnect between what he THINKS he's accomplishing and what he actually IS accomplishing.

He THINKS he's fostering butthurt and STICKING IT TO THE MAN.

He IS coming off the like the same old, pathetic schtick that we've seen so many times.

That's only one small PART of what I think I'm fostering.

Yeah, whatever, kid.  You were right about one thing, though...Facebook fucked you up.  Borg-style.

I could go to ANY group on Facebook, cut and paste random shit into this thread in place of your responses and nobody would notice any difference.  It's the same tired shit.

If that's what you're after, then I guess I'll just throw you in the box with the others.  Not banning or anything.  It's just that nothing you say is worth reading as things stand, because what you say isn't conveying any information.  It's nothing but cookie-cutter trolling.

So yeah.  Off to "ignore" with you.

(edit for glorious spelling error)
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mr. MumboJumbo on January 16, 2013, 04:55:33 pm
cookie-cutter trolling?

Gawd-damned. There's no pleasing You People is there? I'll try to make my comments fit your cookie box better if that's what you require to continue my de-Facebook-afication, I just don't understand why you can't see any of the genius behind them.

The comments I make are rooted in reason, sorry if I don't have the time to describe every detail of what I'm trying to express, like I said, I'm at work and my job requires a lot of mundane concentration; my mistakes cost the company money. I'll be more careful in the future when I deal with you though if that's what you're asking of me. Now I gotta go before I get fired.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2013, 05:00:13 pm
cookie-cutter trolling?

Gawd-damned. There's no pleasing You People is there?

Sure there is.  We even spelled it out.


Quote
I'll try to make my comments fit your cookie box better if that's what you require to continue my de-Facebook-afication, I just don't understand why you can't see any of the genius behind them.

The comments I make are rooted in reason, sorry if I don't have the time to describe every detail of what I'm trying to express, like I said, I'm at work and my job requires a lot of mundane concentration; my mistakes cost the company money. I'll be more careful in the future when I deal with you though if that's what you're asking of me. Now I gotta go before I get fired.

Let's just cut the bullshit, shall we?  Let's just skip straight to the end.  You referred to me as "Rogie-Poo", which was designed to convey familiar contempt.  Despite the fact that you aren't familiar, the message was received.  I understood what you were trying to transmit.

So what the fuck are you complaining about? 

I mean, I don't give a shit WHAT you call me, but there's no denying what you had set out to do.  So I stopped reading right there, because I had received what you meant to convey, and thus there was no point reading any further.

And as for any "reason" that got skipped as a result, who cares?  I got the real message.  The rest was just window dressing.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mr. MumboJumbo on January 16, 2013, 05:19:39 pm
I feel no contempt for you. I don't know you. I only know a tiny bit of your online persona, which comes off as very "hardass", so I show you a bit of that stuff as a cute way of saying "I'm not offended or feel threatened by you", but I suppose that sentiment's run it's course by now so okok.
Sorry if those words conventionally suggests contempt, I'm typically not conventional at all times, nor did I expect it to be taken so conventionally, but I suppose I should have. And I don't have a 'boner' for you...just a little tingly feeling in my belly. And I'll never stop being cute so don't request that.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2013, 05:20:31 pm
This is actually rant-worthy, come to think of it.

Steve's post began with a two-pronged insult:  The disdain thing, plus the implication that RWHN was actually me under an assumed name.  This was the heart of his message, whether or not he intended it to be.  If there actually WAS an argument later in his post, I didn't see it...Because I didn't read it, because he'd already flopped his e-penis across it with the first paragraph.

So there's a perfect example of how NOT to get an actual idea across, if that was in fact his intent (which is dubious at best).
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2013, 05:25:52 pm
Sorry if those words conventionally suggests contempt, I'm typically not conventional at all times, nor did I expect it to be taken so conventionally, but I suppose I should have.

I can't read what's in your head.  I can only read what you actually write.  If you intend to communicate an idea, you have to write it in a manner that allows people outside of your head to understand the idea you were trying to convey.

If you start out with passive-aggressive bullshit, THAT is what will be communicated.  Your idea goes from whatever it is you were trying to say, to "I am an asshole!", and that's the end of that.  If that's what you MEANT to say, great...Otherwise, don't blame me because you torpedoed your own post.  I didn't do that shit, you did that shit.

And as for any expectation that I or anyone else will go out of our way to look past your "cuteness" because we're desperate to see the underlying genius of your message, don't hold your breath.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mr. MumboJumbo on January 16, 2013, 05:27:50 pm
Sorry if those words conventionally suggests contempt, I'm typically not conventional at all times, nor did I expect it to be taken so conventionally, but I suppose I should have.

I can't read what's in your head.  I can only read what you actually write.  If you intend to communicate an idea, you have to write it in a manner that allows people outside of your head to understand the idea you were trying to convey.

If you start out with passive-aggressive bullshit, THAT is what will be communicated.  Your idea goes from whatever it is you were trying to say, to "I am an asshole!", and that's the end of that.  If that's what you MEANT to say, great...Otherwise, don't blame me because you torpedoed your own post.  I didn't do that shit, you did that shit.

And as for any expectation that I or anyone else will go out of our way to look past your "cuteness" because we're desperate to see the underlying genius of your message, don't hold your breath.

Noted. Thank you.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: AFK on January 16, 2013, 05:33:01 pm

Hello Rev. What's-His-Name? (Is that Rogie-Poo or another Rev??)


Yes, I can assure you we are quite different Rev's. 


As far as selling Discordianism, I've always been of a mind it is more important to sell the meat than the packaging.  I would rather have someone who can Think For Themselves, Schmuck without operating under a label of Discordianism, as opposed to someone who is a Discordian for the sake of being a Discordian.  It is the actual meat of the philosophies that attracted me.  Or rather, it was reading the book that gave me a label for philosophies I was already following. 


And admittedtly, I'm a little against the grain on this site because I tend to have a more optimistic approach with this stuff, but I happento think there are many out there who have a nugget, or more, of this stuff at their core.  For many, they simply let it get buried by Adulthood in their chase of The American Dream.  So in that respect, it isn't about converting anyone, it's about rediscovering and reawakening something that is already there, just dormant.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2013, 05:38:00 pm

Hello Rev. What's-His-Name? (Is that Rogie-Poo or another Rev??)


Yes, I can assure you we are quite different Rev's. 

Balls.  I checked just last week, and you were me.


Quote
As far as selling Discordianism, I've always been of a mind it is more important to sell the meat than the packaging.  I would rather have someone who can Think For Themselves, Schmuck without operating under a label of Discordianism, as opposed to someone who is a Discordian for the sake of being a Discordian.  It is the actual meat of the philosophies that attracted me.  Or rather, it was reading the book that gave me a label for philosophies I was already following. 

Nail/head.


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And admittedtly, I'm a little against the grain on this site because I tend to have a more optimistic approach with this stuff,

And that's the other thing.  That's YOUR Discordia.  Mine is different...But neither is wrong.  It's like the old relativity example of dropping a golf ball out of the window of a moving car.  To the person in the car, it drops in a straight line to the ground.  To the observer outside the car, it descends in a parabolic arc.  Both are right, based on where they stand.

To the observer FURTHER down the street, the golf ball gets really big before it whacks him right between the eyes, killing him stone dead for no good reason.

And HE'S right, too.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 12, 2013, 09:26:18 pm
It's not pretending it's something it's not, it's creatively highlighting whatever will get people's foot in the door, so that they may eventually shed their former selves, and be more like you :)

Nobody needs another TGRR.  Especially not me.  Unless you cloned me, in which case I'd never leave the fucking house.  I don't WANT people to be like me, and I hope YOU DON'T, EITHER.

No.  I want people to be themselves.  On someone else's planet.

And if they can't be themselves, then Discordia will be of no use to them, and they'd FUCK IT UP FOR ME, because there'd be RULES and shit all of a sudden, and I wouldn't be able to shit in the poorbox anymore.

Using this somewhere else tonight.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 12, 2013, 09:37:10 pm
It's not pretending it's something it's not, it's creatively highlighting whatever will get people's foot in the door, so that they may eventually shed their former selves, and be more like you :)

Nobody needs another TGRR.  Especially not me.  Unless you cloned me, in which case I'd never leave the fucking house.  I don't WANT people to be like me, and I hope YOU DON'T, EITHER.

No.  I want people to be themselves.  On someone else's planet.

And if they can't be themselves, then Discordia will be of no use to them, and they'd FUCK IT UP FOR ME, because there'd be RULES and shit all of a sudden, and I wouldn't be able to shit in the poorbox anymore.

Using this somewhere else tonight.
:lulz:
I hope you'll send me the link.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 12, 2013, 09:37:47 pm
It's not pretending it's something it's not, it's creatively highlighting whatever will get people's foot in the door, so that they may eventually shed their former selves, and be more like you :)

Nobody needs another TGRR.  Especially not me.  Unless you cloned me, in which case I'd never leave the fucking house.  I don't WANT people to be like me, and I hope YOU DON'T, EITHER.

No.  I want people to be themselves.  On someone else's planet.

And if they can't be themselves, then Discordia will be of no use to them, and they'd FUCK IT UP FOR ME, because there'd be RULES and shit all of a sudden, and I wouldn't be able to shit in the poorbox anymore.

Using this somewhere else tonight.
:lulz:
I hope you'll send me the link.

Scrubgenius.   :sad:

But I think I could have fun on FB with most of the shit in this thread.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 12, 2013, 09:38:07 pm
And that's the other thing.  That's YOUR Discordia.  Mine is different...But neither is wrong.  It's like the old relativity example of dropping a golf ball out of the window of a moving car.  To the person in the car, it drops in a straight line to the ground.  To the observer outside the car, it descends in a parabolic arc.  Both are right, based on where they stand.

To the observer FURTHER down the street, the golf ball gets really big before it whacks him right between the eyes, killing him stone dead for no good reason.

And HE'S right, too.

Also this one.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 12, 2013, 09:39:07 pm
I feel a sermon coming on.

SHUT UP SHUT UP GET BACK IN YOUR FUCKING COFFIN.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 12, 2013, 09:48:01 pm
It's not pretending it's something it's not, it's creatively highlighting whatever will get people's foot in the door, so that they may eventually shed their former selves, and be more like you :)

Nobody needs another TGRR.  Especially not me.  Unless you cloned me, in which case I'd never leave the fucking house.  I don't WANT people to be like me, and I hope YOU DON'T, EITHER.

No.  I want people to be themselves.  On someone else's planet.

And if they can't be themselves, then Discordia will be of no use to them, and they'd FUCK IT UP FOR ME, because there'd be RULES and shit all of a sudden, and I wouldn't be able to shit in the poorbox anymore.

Using this somewhere else tonight.
:lulz:
I hope you'll send me the link.

Scrubgenius.   :sad:

But I think I could have fun on FB with most of the shit in this thread.

Try it on Burners!
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 12, 2013, 09:51:38 pm
It's not pretending it's something it's not, it's creatively highlighting whatever will get people's foot in the door, so that they may eventually shed their former selves, and be more like you :)

Nobody needs another TGRR.  Especially not me.  Unless you cloned me, in which case I'd never leave the fucking house.  I don't WANT people to be like me, and I hope YOU DON'T, EITHER.

No.  I want people to be themselves.  On someone else's planet.

And if they can't be themselves, then Discordia will be of no use to them, and they'd FUCK IT UP FOR ME, because there'd be RULES and shit all of a sudden, and I wouldn't be able to shit in the poorbox anymore.

Using this somewhere else tonight.
:lulz:
I hope you'll send me the link.

Scrubgenius.   :sad:

But I think I could have fun on FB with most of the shit in this thread.

Try it on Burners!

WOOO WOOOO

TONIGHT.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 12, 2013, 10:06:22 pm
It's not pretending it's something it's not, it's creatively highlighting whatever will get people's foot in the door, so that they may eventually shed their former selves, and be more like you :)

Nobody needs another TGRR.  Especially not me.  Unless you cloned me, in which case I'd never leave the fucking house.  I don't WANT people to be like me, and I hope YOU DON'T, EITHER.

No.  I want people to be themselves.  On someone else's planet.

And if they can't be themselves, then Discordia will be of no use to them, and they'd FUCK IT UP FOR ME, because there'd be RULES and shit all of a sudden, and I wouldn't be able to shit in the poorbox anymore.

Using this somewhere else tonight.
:lulz:
I hope you'll send me the link.

Scrubgenius.   :sad:

But I think I could have fun on FB with most of the shit in this thread.

Try it on Burners!

WOOO WOOOO

TONIGHT.

Excellent  :lulz:

I am going to try to spend then next six hours doing work I was supposed to do over the weekend, but I will be fucking around on Facebook later tonight.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 13, 2013, 12:34:59 am
Wow.  Portland burners is now NOTHING but people whoring for rides and tickets.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 13, 2013, 01:18:38 am
Wow.  Portland burners is now NOTHING but people whoring for rides and tickets.

Yep.

And then for a week it will be DEAD SILENCE.

In other words, the perfect time to fill it with pictures from the Gathering of the Juggalos.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 13, 2013, 01:19:45 am
Wow.  Portland burners is now NOTHING but people whoring for rides and tickets.

Yep.

And then for a week it will be DEAD SILENCE.

In other words, the perfect time to fill it with pictures from the Gathering of the Juggalos.

 :lulz:

And weevil porn.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 13, 2013, 01:20:19 am
Wow.  Portland burners is now NOTHING but people whoring for rides and tickets.

Yep.

And then for a week it will be DEAD SILENCE.

In other words, the perfect time to fill it with pictures from the Gathering of the Juggalos.

 :lulz:

And weevil porn.

 :lulz: Oh god yes.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: popeluvicasksc on November 26, 2013, 06:18:01 pm
It's not pretending it's something it's not, it's creatively highlighting whatever will get people's foot in the door, so that they may eventually shed their former selves, and be more like you :)

Nobody needs another TGRR.  Especially not me.  Unless you cloned me, in which case I'd never leave the fucking house.  I don't WANT people to be like me, and I hope YOU DON'T, EITHER.

No.  I want people to be themselves.  On someone else's planet.

And if they can't be themselves, then Discordia will be of no use to them, and they'd FUCK IT UP FOR ME, because there'd be RULES and shit all of a sudden, and I wouldn't be able to shit in the poorbox anymore.

Exactly. It isn't about getting anyone to be more like anyone else so much as it is about getting them to realize that they don't have to be like anyone but themselves. When people ask me about Discordianism I emphasize the idea that it's largely about freedom. At least MY discordianism is.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Auscultare of the Fatigue on November 26, 2013, 11:32:29 pm
I'd just do a Law of Fives presentations, pat them on the shoulder and walk away.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Odibex Grallspice on December 23, 2013, 07:25:40 pm
Interest topic I am unaware.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Odibex Grallspice on December 25, 2013, 07:41:53 pm
I can relate, though. I told me mum I joined this forum and it was about the hardest thing ever to tell her what it was about....... No matter what I said she kept relating it to scientology.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 25, 2013, 07:56:24 pm
I can relate, though. I told me mum I joined this forum and it was about the hardest thing ever to tell her what it was about....... No matter what I said she kept relating it to scientology.

 :lulz: Yes.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Odibex Grallspice on December 25, 2013, 08:22:21 pm
I guess it easy for outsiders to see this whole thing as a cult.  :roll:
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 25, 2013, 09:02:28 pm
I guess it easy for outsiders to see this whole thing as a cult.  :roll:

We're the only cult that is too lazy to tell you what to do.  So you'll have to think for yourself.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Faust on December 25, 2013, 09:17:45 pm
I can relate, though. I told me mum I joined this forum and it was about the hardest thing ever to tell her what it was about....... No matter what I said she kept relating it to scientology.

Refer your family member for a bonus one hundred free thetans.

Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Odibex Grallspice on December 25, 2013, 09:19:16 pm
Lol, I need those thetans, but I don't think the old bitch would bite!
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Reginald Ret on December 25, 2013, 09:41:47 pm
I guess it easy for outsiders to see this whole thing as a cult.  :roll:

We're the only cult that is too lazy to tell you what to do.  So you'll have to think for yourself.
Hah! that is great!
Welcome to PD.com! The only cult that is too lazy to tell you what to do. So you'll have to think for yourself.
That printed on a card would work better than handing out pope cards.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 26, 2013, 06:56:39 am
Lol, I need those thetans, but I don't think the old bitch would bite!

You stay the fuck away from my thetans

they're MINE.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: psan17 on February 24, 2014, 07:00:29 pm
hello
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2014, 07:03:05 pm
hello

Are you a bot?  You seem like you could be a bot.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2014, 07:04:44 pm
Sneaky fucking email bot.

Posts once, then begins emailing other members.   :lulz:
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: LMNO on February 24, 2014, 08:12:11 pm
hello

Are you a bot?  You seem like you could be a bot.

You can tell by the pixels, and because I have seen a few bots in my time.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 09:16:50 pm
Example of TGRR Evangelism:

Roger:  *brings up Discordianism in conversation*

Potential Convert:  "What's that?  Isn't that some sort of cult?"

Roger:  "Yes, but we're too lazy to spike the Koolaid."

PC:  "No, seriously."

Roger:  "How many cults tell you to think for yourself, and mean it?"

PC:  "So, what IS it?"

Roger:  "It is the study of seeing the world as it really is, not as we'd LIKE it to be."

PC:  "Every religion says that."

Roger:  "But do you hear them laughing?"

PC:  "Maybe there's nothing to laugh about.  The world sucks."

Roger:  "No, the world is WEIRD.  We're here to keep it that way.  If things start getting boring, why, we just start sawing the legs off to watch it all fall over."

PC:  "So, you're anarchists?"

Roger:  "No.  Anarchists have a goal.?"

PC:  "So, you're nihilists?"

Roger:  "No, never saw the point in nihilism."

PC:  "..."

Roger:  "Been waiting to use that line for 4 years."

PC:  "You're an idiot.  I'm leaving."

Roger:  "Don't forget to write!"



See?  Easy.

Bump for ongoing project.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 09:22:45 pm

Hello Rev. What's-His-Name? (Is that Rogie-Poo or another Rev??)


Yes, I can assure you we are quite different Rev's. 

Balls.  I checked just last week, and you were me.


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As far as selling Discordianism, I've always been of a mind it is more important to sell the meat than the packaging.  I would rather have someone who can Think For Themselves, Schmuck without operating under a label of Discordianism, as opposed to someone who is a Discordian for the sake of being a Discordian.  It is the actual meat of the philosophies that attracted me.  Or rather, it was reading the book that gave me a label for philosophies I was already following. 

Nail/head.


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And admittedtly, I'm a little against the grain on this site because I tend to have a more optimistic approach with this stuff,

And that's the other thing.  That's YOUR Discordia.  Mine is different...But neither is wrong.  It's like the old relativity example of dropping a golf ball out of the window of a moving car.  To the person in the car, it drops in a straight line to the ground.  To the observer outside the car, it descends in a parabolic arc.  Both are right, based on where they stand.

To the observer FURTHER down the street, the golf ball gets really big before it whacks him right between the eyes, killing him stone dead for no good reason.

And HE'S right, too.

Also bump for the same reason
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Fujikoma on November 07, 2019, 09:42:55 pm
That's my discordia.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Hoopla! on November 08, 2019, 12:25:09 am
I like where this is going.....
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: chaotic neutral observer on November 08, 2019, 12:55:16 am
I have a co-worker who's Discordian.  But he doesn't know he's Discordian, and I have no reason to tell him.

PC:  "So, you're nihilists?"

Roger:  "No, never saw the point in nihilism."

PC:  "..."
:lulz:
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 08, 2019, 01:27:36 am
I like where this is going.....

I am in FB jail, so I am lashing together another e-book, out of sheer boredom.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Fujikoma on November 08, 2019, 07:54:39 am
This can only end badly.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Hagtard Celine Dion Mustard on November 13, 2019, 03:14:26 am
Discord is as doescord don't.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Baltshazzar the Unhinged on January 28, 2020, 05:08:27 am
In 2008 I employed different methods of making it available to those I thought were already there anyway. In 2015 I was behaving in a manner that began eliciting questioning of my beliefs from people around me, and I felt obliged to explain a little of it to prove my insanity was as valid as anyone else's. But in 2020 I have random people at parties asking me to explain it and I really can't be bothered and I dare not wonder why these people keep leaping out of the woodwork. I have become a lazy Discordian. Or maybe it's just one of them those who know do not tell, and those who tell do not know things.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: altered on January 28, 2020, 05:24:40 am
Definitely the latter. I tell everyone I meet about it, and if they want explanations I usually give a totally useless one and tell them to read Holy Nonsense. It’s actually sort of surprising how many people I’ve sent to it who actually read the fucking thing.

It’s most of them.

Speaking of which... have you read it?
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Baltshazzar the Unhinged on January 28, 2020, 05:30:48 am
Not for a while actually, in fact I don't believe I even have a copy or it's buried on an old drive. Speaking of books I'm interested to learn what (if any) versions of the Principia available online are decent representations of the Loompanics version hosted on this site. I've heard they're all shite?!


And yes, I think in sales they call it motivation by disinterest. It got me out of a pyramid scheme before I was wise enough to know what the fuck I had signed up for.

Actually pardon me, I was confusing Holy Nonsense with something else. I feel like I read this not long after I first started lurking. All the same, thanks for the nudge.

Bureaucracy,” said Nopants, “is waiting for a red traffic light
in the middle of the night when no one is coming
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Dimocritus on March 04, 2020, 02:26:29 am
How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?

Don't.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on March 04, 2020, 10:31:00 am
In Russia Discordianism define you!!
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on March 04, 2020, 01:05:10 pm
just be the apologia you wish to see in the world
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Hagtard Celine Dion Mustard on April 17, 2020, 09:01:46 am
In Russia

How apropos.
Title: Re: How best to describe Discordianism to the unaware?
Post by: Pandemonium on April 24, 2020, 09:39:34 pm
Turns around, quickly doodling goatse onto a post it note before folding it in half and handing it to them.

Here is the answer that you seek.

"I.. is that goatse? I don't understand."

Excellent, you are beginning to understand.

"No, I...What does it mean?"

Sighs and jabs finger at the anus.

I'M SAYING TO FIND THE ANSWER ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK INSIDE OF YOURSELF

".....What?"

Leans in, voice barely a whisper

Look buddy if I have to take you into the bathroom and dig out the answer for you I will.

Leans back, smiling

I'll even leave you a red rose when I'm done so you'll never forget, and have to ask me again.

"......"

----------------------------------------

This is how I answer approximately half of all the questions I'm asked.


Yes I carry around some post it notes and a pen or pencil at all times just for this.