Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Or Kill Me => Topic started by: gnimbley on May 28, 2005, 08:45:01 pm

Title: REJOICE!
Post by: gnimbley on May 28, 2005, 08:45:01 pm
REJOICE!

You are the persecuted ones.

You will never be accepted.

You will never be initiated with the
rites of power.

You will never be permitted into the
caste of the ruling classes.

You will be persecuted until the ends
of time.

REJOICE!

Unlike the Christian Church, which rose
from persecuted to persecutor, you will
never be empowered, never be
authorized, never be in charge.

You are persecuted. You will always be
persecuted.

You will be branded heretic.

You will be denounced from the pulpit
and the television screen.

You will be scrutinized by civilization
and found lacking in virtue.

You will be swept up with the devil's
debris.

REJOICE!

Unlike Al-Qaeda, which rose from
obscurity to celebrity, you will never
be considered, never be feared, never
suffer from delusions of grandeur.

You are in the minority. You will
always be in the minority.

You will be passed over, discarded,
downsized, disposed, and trashed.

You will be dismissed as an
irrelevancy.

No one will come to your aid.

You are alone.

REJOICE!

Unlike everyone else, who rises from
proletarian to consumerist machine, you
will never be programmed, never be
brainwashed, never be owned.

For you swim against the stream, you
are strong.

You are the lone voice in a
materialistic wilderness.

You are the crazed prophet.

You are the voice of irrationality in a
world of brutalizing sanity.

You are the pavement cracks.

You are the lost stuff of history.

You are not of what they are.

And for that you will be unmercifully
hounded like the rats of the black
plague.

REJOICE!

Take comfort.

For you are the persecuted ones.
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: /o\ on May 28, 2005, 09:14:06 pm
I liked this very much you rock gnimbley !
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 29, 2005, 01:54:27 am
That was cool as fuck!
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Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 29, 2005, 02:26:54 pm
fucking RAH!

gnimbley, you ARE teh win!

 8)
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: Bella on May 29, 2005, 03:53:34 pm
Quote from: Mob Rule
fucking RAH!

gnimbley, you ARE teh win!

 8)

No kidding. This is great, gnimbley!
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: Guido Finucci on May 30, 2005, 05:35:05 am
I rejoice for reading that because it has made me feel very, very conflicted.

For some reason I am put in mind of Neitzsche.
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Post by: Hoshiko on May 30, 2005, 07:08:07 am
Right on, Gnimbley!  8)

See, gnomes aren't always full of shit  :wink:
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Post by: Zurtok Khan on May 30, 2005, 07:15:44 am
Quote from: Hoshiko
Right on, Gnimbley!  8)

See, gnomes aren't always full of shit  :wink:


Thats because you weren't sqeezing him hard enough.

That rocked Gnimbly and made me think of this song:

Minority - Green Day
I want to be the minority
I don't need your authority
Down with the moral majority
'Cause I want to be the minority

I pledge allegiance to the underworld
One nation under dog
There of which I stand alone
A face in the crowd
Unsung, against the mold
Without a doubt
Singled out
The only way I know

I want to be the minority
I don't need your authority
Down with the moral majority
'Cause I want to be the minority

Stepped out of the line
Like a sheep runs from the herd
Marching out of time
To my own beat now
The only way I know

One light, one mind
Flashing in the dark
Blinded by the silence of a thousand broken hearts
"For crying out loud" she screamed unto me
A free for all
F*** 'em all
You are your own sight

I want to be the minority
I don't need your authority
Down with the moral majority
'Cause I want to be the minority
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 30, 2005, 02:17:06 pm
you do understand the irony of quoting the lyrics of a band who is signed to a major label and sells zillions of copies and has t-shirts plastered all over Hot Topic to express your feelings of disenfranchisement, right?

 8)
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: Horab Fibslager on May 30, 2005, 06:04:52 pm
Quote from: Mob Rule
you do understand the irony of quoting the lyrics of a band who is signed to a major label and sells zillions of copies and has t-shirts plastered all over Hot Topic to express your feelings of disenfranchisement, right?

 8)



it sums up my point when telling th ekids at work(my old work) that green day is shit. and hten i tell em that the music is crap too. andthati can make better punk musioc dickslapping myguitar. none of th eseveral million greenday fans seem to realize that it's popular(pop) music.
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: Rev. St. Syn, KSC on May 30, 2005, 06:29:54 pm
Gnimbley, that's a fucking classic man! RAH! indeed. :D
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Post by: Horab Fibslager on May 30, 2005, 07:02:45 pm
it is prettygood. i'm gonna assume it satircal. i'm rarely persecuted and never for sexual harrasment.
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 30, 2005, 09:20:21 pm
Quote from: Mob Rule
you do understand the irony of quoting the lyrics of a band who is signed to a major label and sells zillions of copies and has t-shirts plastered all over Hot Topic to express your feelings of disenfranchisement, right?

 8)


They made a whole album bashing Bush & the Cletii, so they are, in my book, forgiven.
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: agent compassion on May 30, 2005, 09:28:13 pm
Quote from: Miss October
you do understand the irony of quoting the lyrics of a band who is signed to a major label and sells zillions of copies and has t-shirts plastered all over Hot Topic to express your feelings of disenfranchisement, right?


Hey man, quit bashing the Green Day.

 8)
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 30, 2005, 09:34:21 pm
Quote from: agent compassion
Quote from: Miss October
you do understand the irony of quoting the lyrics of a band who is signed to a major label and sells zillions of copies and has t-shirts plastered all over Hot Topic to express your feelings of disenfranchisement, right?


Hey man, quit bashing the Green Day.

 8)


Now, now...how can we be elitists, if we allow ourselves to listen to anything mainstream?

:lol:
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Post by: Donkeyotay on May 30, 2005, 09:48:24 pm
I don't care what you say..AMerican idiot is a good song..Besides, how do we know they are not using the industry to subvert the youth and turn them all into dissenters?
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Post by: Horab Fibslager on May 30, 2005, 09:49:21 pm
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: agent compassion
Quote from: Miss October
you do understand the irony of quoting the lyrics of a band who is signed to a major label and sells zillions of copies and has t-shirts plastered all over Hot Topic to express your feelings of disenfranchisement, right?


Hey man, quit bashing the Green Day.

 8)


Now, now...how can we be elitists, if we allow ourselves to listen to anything mainstream?

:lol:


i like that one song by britney spears.
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: Donkeyotay on May 30, 2005, 09:51:56 pm
Hit me baby one more time?

I heard a kick ass version of it by Dweezil and Ahmet..Or maybe it was oops I did it again
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Post by: Horab Fibslager on May 30, 2005, 10:11:09 pm
there's a few good covers. the one i'm on about has been attributed to mr. bungle, but apparently it's not them who does it.
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Post by: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy on May 31, 2005, 01:26:29 am
Quote from: agent compassion
Quote from: Miss October
you do understand the irony of quoting the lyrics of a band who is signed to a major label and sells zillions of copies and has t-shirts plastered all over Hot Topic to express your feelings of disenfranchisement, right?


Hey man, quit bashing the Green Day.

 8)

So, now we should hate them because they got a record contract?  Isn't that the whole point?  And having money doesn't make a person feel better about this country, necessarily.

AC, Miss October, hehehe  :twisted:
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Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 31, 2005, 02:43:40 pm
Quote from: agent compassion
Quote from: Miss October
you do understand the irony of quoting the lyrics of a band who is signed to a major label and sells zillions of copies and has t-shirts plastered all over Hot Topic to express your feelings of disenfranchisement, right?


Hey man, quit bashing the Green Day.

 8)


negative, ghost rider.

 8)
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Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 31, 2005, 02:44:55 pm
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy

So, now we should hate them because they got a record contract?  Isn't that the whole point?


yes, it is the whole point and THAT'S the problem.

 8)
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: gnimbley on May 31, 2005, 04:11:27 pm
Quote from: contradictory dilemma.
i'm gonna assume it satircal.


Nope. Sorry.
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Post by: LMNO on May 31, 2005, 05:20:56 pm
9/10, gnimbly.

oh, ok.  9.5 out of 10.
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 31, 2005, 07:09:29 pm
Quote from: Mob Rule
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy

So, now we should hate them because they got a record contract?  Isn't that the whole point?


yes, it is the whole point and THAT'S the problem.

 8)


So, anyone who takes their message to the masses automatically invalidates that message?
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: LMNO on May 31, 2005, 07:13:06 pm
Not automatically.

It takes a little time before the message is invalidated.

But the window is shrinking exponetially...
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 31, 2005, 07:14:54 pm
Quote from: LMNO
Not automatically.

It takes a little time before the message is invalidated.

But the window is shrinking exponetially...


Well, these days, you have 3 choices:

1.  Work with the evil recording companies.

2.  BECOME the evil recording companies, by starting your own label.

3.  Play in shitty bars for eternity, where people are too drunk to understand your message, and keep telling yourself that you're an artiste.
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: LMNO on May 31, 2005, 07:18:01 pm
Hey, I fully accept and realize that if I ever make a career out of music, it will be because I sold out in some way.

I just I wish I had the chance to sell out years ago...
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 31, 2005, 07:19:21 pm
Quote from: LMNO
Hey, I fully accept and realize that if I ever make a career out of music, it will be because I sold out in some way.

I just I wish I had the chance to sell out years ago...


Politics, music, you name it.  EVERYONE has their price, and most people that bitch about it are just pissed because nobody has bid on them.
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Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 31, 2005, 07:21:24 pm
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: Mob Rule
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy

So, now we should hate them because they got a record contract?  Isn't that the whole point?


yes, it is the whole point and THAT'S the problem.

 8)


So, anyone who takes their message to the masses automatically invalidates that message?

I don't really want to launch into a 10-page lecture on how the music business works, so here's the cliff's notes version:

Most bands that are offered a recording contract with one of the big 5 (or even many of the "major indie" labels) are only allowed to keep their artistic freedom if their vision happens to coincide with what the label thinks will sell. If you sign a 5-album deal and your first album doesn't go multiplatinum, when you go into the studio to record your second album the label says "sound like this and sell more albums next time around or else." If you still don't produce the second time around, you most likely get dropped from the label and owe them the balance of what they spend on recording whatever you have put out so far, and god help you if you've already spent your advance. So in the context of popular music, yes, to a large extend your message is invalidated once you take it to that level of commercialization. that's why you see so many indie artists selling songs to use as commercials. If a band gets iPod to use a song in a commercial, the money that they get from that allows them to record on their own dime and not be forced to compromise their artistic vision.

plus, Green Day opened the door for Blink 182 and Good Charlotte, and that really is unforgivable.

 8)
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: LMNO on May 31, 2005, 07:22:17 pm
Well, to be honest, I also bitch because of the hypocracy of some of the Message Bringers.

I mean, if you just admit that it's kinda bogus to sing about the downtrodden when you're making millions, I'd appreciate it more.

One reason I think Blink 182 wasn't/ isn't all that bad:  They admitted very early on that they weren't really Punk, and made no attempt to be harder than they actually were.  And they write pretty good pop songs.
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Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 31, 2005, 07:28:23 pm
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: LMNO
Not automatically.

It takes a little time before the message is invalidated.

But the window is shrinking exponetially...


Well, these days, you have 3 choices:

1.  Work with the evil recording companies.

2.  BECOME the evil recording companies, by starting your own label.

3.  Play in shitty bars for eternity, where people are too drunk to understand your message, and keep telling yourself that you're an artiste.


if you wanna become a zillionaire, you're right, you gotta sell your soul to BMG...but I know plenty of musicians who make a decent living using local producers, distributing albums through local indie labels, touring regionally, and selling merch. In truth, if you want to support a band or artist you really like, buy a $15 t-shirt instead of spending $15 on their CD.

 8)
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: LMNO on May 31, 2005, 07:32:03 pm
Quote from: Mob Rule

if you wanna become a zillionaire, you're right, you gotta sell your soul to BMG...but I know plenty of musicians who make a decent living using local producers, distributing albums through local indie labels, touring regionally, and selling merch. In truth, if you want to support a band or artist you really like, buy a $15 t-shirt instead of spending $15 on their CD.
 8)


Troof.
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 31, 2005, 07:33:34 pm
Quote from: Mob Rule
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: LMNO
Not automatically.

It takes a little time before the message is invalidated.

But the window is shrinking exponetially...


Well, these days, you have 3 choices:

1.  Work with the evil recording companies.

2.  BECOME the evil recording companies, by starting your own label.

3.  Play in shitty bars for eternity, where people are too drunk to understand your message, and keep telling yourself that you're an artiste.


if you wanna become a zillionaire, you're right, you gotta sell your soul to BMG...but I know plenty of musicians who make a decent living using local producers, distributing albums through local indie labels, touring regionally, and selling merch. In truth, if you want to support a band or artist you really like, buy a $15 t-shirt instead of spending $15 on their CD.

 8)


Fair enough.  But the argument was about getting a message across to the masses, not the lifestyle lived by the musician.
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Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 31, 2005, 07:41:36 pm
anyone who makes music and says they're doing it because they need to spread their message is full of shit and dangerously full of themselves.

Myself and everyone else I have ever known who are truly passionate about making music do it because they love making noise. I don't give a rat-fuck if the drunks in the crowd understand what I'm trying to say to them becuase half the time I don't even understand what I'm trying to say to them. but as long as I can get up on stage and rock out and make people move their heads and hips and feet and maybe make enough cake to pay some rent and buy some beer, it's all good.

I'll leave the proselytizing to Bono.

 8)
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Post by: LMNO on May 31, 2005, 07:44:25 pm
double troof.
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 31, 2005, 07:48:32 pm
Quote from: Mob Rule
anyone who makes music and says they're doing it because they need to spread their message is full of shit and dangerously full of themselves.


Sez who?
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Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 31, 2005, 07:56:52 pm
sez me.

 8)
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 31, 2005, 07:58:16 pm
Quote from: Mob Rule
sez me.

 8)


Does that apply to everyone, or just musicians?

::dusts off Jesuit logic instruction::
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Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 31, 2005, 08:00:29 pm
IMO?

just musicians.

let's look at that word again...musicians.

not preachers, not proselytizers, not barkers, criers, or any number of other similar professions...

musicians.

if you are a musician and it's not all about the music for you, WAYSA?

 8)
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 31, 2005, 08:04:25 pm
Quote from: Mob Rule
IMO?

just musicians.

let's look at that word again...musicians.

not preachers, not proselytizers, not barkers, criers, or any number of other similar professions...

musicians.

if you are a musician and it's not all about the music for you, WAYSA?

 8)


So, musicians are not entitled to the same moral right to express their opinions as anyone else, because it would somehow defile their art?  

Music should not be allowed to be used as a force for social change?
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Post by: LMNO on May 31, 2005, 08:07:12 pm
Oh crap, you really did have jesuit training, didn't you?
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 31, 2005, 08:08:14 pm
Quote from: LMNO
Oh crap, you really did have jesuit training, didn't you?


Yeah, but I got better.  :lol:

I rarely indulge in it, though.  I save it for special occasions, or when I just ahppen to be in the right mood.
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Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 31, 2005, 08:09:42 pm
I never said anything like that, did I?

and regarding Green Day, which is what we were originally debating, do you really think that Green Day is a force for social change?

 :lol:

anyway, I just think that music can do all that without being a background noise for somebody's preaching...I can write a guitar piece that will make you feel happy and content, one that will make you feel uncomfortable and paranoid, or one that will make you want to jump up and start burning this mother down...and that's all before I add any lyrics....and if I do add lyrics, it's gonna be because they were channeled into my brain, because they needed to go with a particular song, not because I'm trying to preach my views to an audience.

 8)
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Post by: LMNO on May 31, 2005, 08:10:40 pm
::note the lack of testing on my part::
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 31, 2005, 08:13:15 pm
Quote from: Mob Rule
I never said anything like that, did I?

and regarding Green Day, which is what we were originally debating, do you really think that Green Day is a force for social change?

 :lol:

anyway, I just think that music can do all that without being a background noise for somebody's preaching...I can write a guitar piece that will make you feel happy and content, one that will make you feel uncomfortable and paranoid, or one that will make you want to jump up and start burning this mother down...and that's all before I add any lyrics....and if I do add lyrics, it's gonna be because they were channeled into my brain, because they needed to go with a particular song, not because I'm trying to preach my views to an audience.

 8)


1.  Actually, yes.  

let's look at that word again...musicians.

not preachers, not proselytizers, not barkers, criers, or any number of other similar professions...

musicians.

if you are a musician and it's not all about the music for you, WAYSA?


2.  I never said hey had be GOOD at it. Competence isn't the issue, here.

3.  So, your opinion is that every musician should have the same drive as you do?  Motivation should be restricted to art as a "pure" zen-like art form?  Should this extend to other arts, or is music somehow unique in this?
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: gnimbley on May 31, 2005, 09:11:30 pm
Quote from: Mob Rule
anyone who makes music and says they're doing it because they need to spread their message is full of shit and dangerously full of themselves.

Myself and everyone else I have ever known who are truly passionate about making music do it because they love making noise. I don't give a rat-fuck if the drunks in the crowd understand what I'm trying to say to them becuase half the time I don't even understand what I'm trying to say to them. but as long as I can get up on stage and rock out and make people move their heads and hips and feet and maybe make enough cake to pay some rent and buy some beer, it's all good.

I'll leave the proselytizing to Bono.

 8)


Actually, not a bad definition of art. I once heard a story about two guys
who met a famous poet at a party and told him they wanted to be poets.
The poet asked them why. The first guy said because he had a lot of
things to say. The second one said just because he liked to play with
words. The poet said the second one would be the poet. The first one
would be a critic.
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 31, 2005, 09:12:37 pm
Quote from: gnimbley
Quote from: Mob Rule
anyone who makes music and says they're doing it because they need to spread their message is full of shit and dangerously full of themselves.

Myself and everyone else I have ever known who are truly passionate about making music do it because they love making noise. I don't give a rat-fuck if the drunks in the crowd understand what I'm trying to say to them becuase half the time I don't even understand what I'm trying to say to them. but as long as I can get up on stage and rock out and make people move their heads and hips and feet and maybe make enough cake to pay some rent and buy some beer, it's all good.

I'll leave the proselytizing to Bono.

 8)


Actually, not a bad definition of art. I once heard a story about two guys
who met a famous poet at a party and told him they wanted to be poets.
The poet asked them why. The first guy said because he had a lot of
things to say. The second one said just because he liked to play with
words. The poet said the second one would be the poet. The first one
would be a critic.


Naw.  The critic would be the guy that can't write, so makes his living slamming BOTH of the two you mentioned.

Artists that have nothing to say tend to bore me.  Compare Kipling vs Emily Dickenson, for example.  One wrote really cool shit about the social and military impact of England during the Victorian age, and the other played with words (but no matter how much she played with them, she still couldn't get "moon" and "orange" to rhyme).
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Post by: gnimbley on May 31, 2005, 10:17:39 pm
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Compare Kipling vs Emily Dickenson...


Quote from: Emily Dickinson

I reason, earth is short,
And anguish absolute,
And many hurt;
But what of that?

I reason, we could die:
The best vitality
Cannot excel decay;
But what of that?

I reason that in heaven
Somehow, it will be even,
Some new equation given;
But what of that?
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Post by: LMNO's Shadow on May 31, 2005, 10:37:07 pm
Pwned by the gnome!
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 31, 2005, 11:28:34 pm
Quote from: gnimbley
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Compare Kipling vs Emily Dickenson...


Quote from: Emily Dickinson

I reason, earth is short,
And anguish absolute,
And many hurt;
But what of that?

I reason, we could die:
The best vitality
Cannot excel decay;
But what of that?

I reason that in heaven
Somehow, it will be even,
Some new equation given;
But what of that?


See?  Emily Dickenson is crap.

Worst rhyming scheme EVER!

Now, here's some good shit, and still amazing relevant, today:

é─˙Clearedé─¨, honourable gentlemen! Be thankful ité─˘s no more:é─ţ
The widowé─˘s curse is on your house, the dead are at your door.
On you the shame of open shame, on you from North to South
The hand of every honest man flat-heeled across your mouth.

é─˙Less black than we were paintedé─¨?é─ţFaith, no word of black was said;
The lightest touch was human blood, and that, you know, runs red.
Ité─˘s sticking to your fist to-day for all your sneer and scoff,
And by the Judgeé─˘s well-weighed word you cannot wipe it off.

Hold up those hands of innocenceé─ţgo, scare your sheep together,
The blundering, tripping tups that bleat behind the old bell-wether;
And if they snuff the taint and break to find another pen,
Tell them ité─˘s tar that glistens so, and daub them yours again!

é─˙The charge is oldé─¨?é─ţAs old as Cainé─ţas fresh as yesterday;
Old as the Ten Commandmentsé─ţhave ye talked those laws away?
If words are words, or death is death, or powder sends the ball,
You spoke the words that sped the shoté─ţthe curse be on you all.

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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 31, 2005, 11:28:51 pm
Quote from: LMNO's Shadow
Pwned by the gnome!


Um, no, he proved my point.
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Post by: Donkeyotay on May 31, 2005, 11:48:36 pm
Quote
3. So, your opinion is that every musician should have the same drive as you do? Motivation should be restricted to art as a "pure" zen-like art form? Should this extend to other arts, or is music somehow unique in this?


The only reason any one becomes a musician is to get laid or be popular... :twisted:
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 31, 2005, 11:52:30 pm
Quote from: Donkeyotay
Quote
3. So, your opinion is that every musician should have the same drive as you do? Motivation should be restricted to art as a "pure" zen-like art form? Should this extend to other arts, or is music somehow unique in this?


The only reason any one becomes a musician is to get laid or be popular... :twisted:


You are speaking for yourself, or all musicians?

Cause, somehow, I don't think symphony violinists have that many groupies.
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Post by: Donkeyotay on June 01, 2005, 12:08:37 am
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: Donkeyotay
Quote
3. So, your opinion is that every musician should have the same drive as you do? Motivation should be restricted to art as a "pure" zen-like art form? Should this extend to other arts, or is music somehow unique in this?


The only reason any one becomes a musician is to get laid or be popular... :twisted:


You are speaking for yourself, or all musicians?

Cause, somehow, I don't think symphony violinists have that many groupies.


You would be surprised...All that stuff about band camp is mostly true...Just because symphony groupies may not be as sexy as band groupies doesn't make a difference. :wink:
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Post by: Horab Fibslager on June 01, 2005, 01:07:36 am
Quote from: Mob Rule
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: Mob Rule
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy

So, now we should hate them because they got a record contract?  Isn't that the whole point?


yes, it is the whole point and THAT'S the problem.

 8)


So, anyone who takes their message to the masses automatically invalidates that message?

I don't really want to launch into a 10-page lecture on how the music business works, so here's the cliff's notes version:

Most bands that are offered a recording contract with one of the big 5 (or even many of the "major indie" labels) are only allowed to keep their artistic freedom if their vision happens to coincide with what the label thinks will sell. If you sign a 5-album deal and your first album doesn't go multiplatinum, when you go into the studio to record your second album the label says "sound like this and sell more albums next time around or else." If you still don't produce the second time around, you most likely get dropped from the label and owe them the balance of what they spend on recording whatever you have put out so far, and god help you if you've already spent your advance. So in the context of popular music, yes, to a large extend your message is invalidated once you take it to that level of commercialization. that's why you see so many indie artists selling songs to use as commercials. If a band gets iPod to use a song in a commercial, the money that they get from that allows them to record on their own dime and not be forced to compromise their artistic vision.

plus, Green Day opened the door for Blink 182 and Good Charlotte, and that really is unforgivable.

 8)


Quote from: maynard's dick
Hooker with a Penis   I met a boy wearing Vans, 501s, and a dope beastie-tee, nipple rings, and new tattoos that claimed that he was OGT, from '92, the first EP. and in between sips of coke he told me that he thought we were sellin' out, layin' down, suckin' up to the man. Well now I've got some advice for you, little buddy. Before you point the finger you should know that I'm the man, and if I'm the man, then you're the man, and he's the man as well so you can point that fuckin' finger up your ass. All you know about me is what I've sold you, Dumb fuck. I sold out long before you ever heard my name. I sold my soul to make a record, Dip shit, and you bought one. So I've got some Advice for you, little buddy. Before you point your finger You should know that I'm the man. If I'm the fuckin' man then you're the fuckin' man as well, So you can Point that fuckin' finger up your ass. All you know about me is what I've sold you, Dumb fuck. I sold out long before you ever heard my name. I sold my soul to make a record, Dip shit, And you bought one. All you read and Wear or see and Hear on TV Is a product Begging for your Fatass dirty Dollar So ... Shut up and Buy my new record Send more money Fuck you, buddy.


such a great song. tool are such fuckin sellouts, i want to have maynard's baby.
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 01, 2005, 03:10:41 am
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3. So, your opinion is that every musician should have the same drive as you do? Motivation should be restricted to art as a "pure" zen-like art form? Should this extend to other arts, or is music somehow unique in this?


The only reason any one becomes a musician is to get laid or be popular... :twisted:


You are speaking for yourself, or all musicians?

Cause, somehow, I don't think symphony violinists have that many groupies.


You would be surprised...All that stuff about band camp is mostly true...Just because symphony groupies may not be as sexy as band groupies doesn't make a difference. :wink:


They let former band students breed?

That's ridiculous.  Never gonna happen.
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy on June 01, 2005, 04:26:57 am
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger


They let former band students breed?

That's ridiculous.  Never gonna happen.


I played the flute.  My sister played the clarinet. My brother played the coronet.  We have 4 kids between us.  My hubby played guitar, before the incident.
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: Zurtok Khan on June 01, 2005, 08:35:38 am
Wow El, thats like the first verse of a song =P
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 01, 2005, 08:37:19 am
Quote from: Zurtok Khan
Wow El, thats like the first verse of a song =P


A Merle Haggard song, maybe.  :lol:
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: Zurtok Khan on June 01, 2005, 08:45:07 am
Rog, would you be weirded out if I said that reading your posts give me TeH Woodie?
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 01, 2005, 08:54:50 am
Quote from: Zurtok Khan
Rog, would you be weirded out if I said that reading your posts give me TeH Woodie?


Not really.  Some of my screaming hordes of fans are male.
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy on June 01, 2005, 02:14:31 pm
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: Zurtok Khan
Wow El, thats like the first verse of a song =P


A Merle Haggard song, maybe.  :lol:

Some days, Roger, my life seems like a country song, that's for sure :cry:
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 01, 2005, 06:26:59 pm
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy
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Wow El, thats like the first verse of a song =P


A Merle Haggard song, maybe.  :lol:

Some days, Roger, my life seems like a country song, that's for sure :cry:


Play it backwards.

You get your truck back, you get your dawg back, etc, etc.
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy on June 01, 2005, 11:38:24 pm
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
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Wow El, thats like the first verse of a song =P


A Merle Haggard song, maybe.  :lol:

Some days, Roger, my life seems like a country song, that's for sure :cry:


Play it backwards.

You get your truck back, you get your dawg back, etc, etc.

You're not gonna make me take my job back are you :shock: All this sleeping in and I am just now starting to catch up on my sleep. :evil:
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on June 01, 2005, 11:45:58 pm
Quote from: contradictory dilemma.
there's a few good covers. the one i'm on about has been attributed to mr. bungle, but apparently it's not them who does it.


YES! MR FUCKING BUNGLE!
Title: REJOICE!
Post by: Horab Fibslager on June 02, 2005, 01:19:46 am
Quote from: Fnordiscordia
Quote from: contradictory dilemma.
there's a few good covers. the one i'm on about has been attributed to mr. bungle, but apparently it's not them who does it.


YES! MR FUCKING BUNGLE!


yeah they rock, but no they definitely don't cover hit me baby one more time. i forget who. i thin k it says at ipecac.com or whatever the addy is.
Title: Re: REJOICE!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 25, 2017, 05:45:18 am
REJOICE!

You are the persecuted ones.

You will never be accepted.

You will never be initiated with the
rites of power.

You will never be permitted into the
caste of the ruling classes.

You will be persecuted until the ends
of time.

REJOICE!

Unlike the Christian Church, which rose
from persecuted to persecutor, you will
never be empowered, never be
authorized, never be in charge.

You are persecuted. You will always be
persecuted.

You will be branded heretic.

You will be denounced from the pulpit
and the television screen.

You will be scrutinized by civilization
and found lacking in virtue.

You will be swept up with the devil's
debris.

REJOICE!

Unlike Al-Qaeda, which rose from
obscurity to celebrity, you will never
be considered, never be feared, never
suffer from delusions of grandeur.

You are in the minority. You will
always be in the minority.

You will be passed over, discarded,
downsized, disposed, and trashed.

You will be dismissed as an
irrelevancy.

No one will come to your aid.

You are alone.

REJOICE!

Unlike everyone else, who rises from
proletarian to consumerist machine, you
will never be programmed, never be
brainwashed, never be owned.

For you swim against the stream, you
are strong.

You are the lone voice in a
materialistic wilderness.

You are the crazed prophet.

You are the voice of irrationality in a
world of brutalizing sanity.

You are the pavement cracks.

You are the lost stuff of history.

You are not of what they are.

And for that you will be unmercifully
hounded like the rats of the black
plague.

REJOICE!

Take comfort.

For you are the persecuted ones.


12 year bump.
Title: Re: REJOICE!
Post by: Ziegejunge on June 26, 2017, 05:59:26 pm
I am glad for this bump. I may not have seen these words otherwise!
Title: Re: REJOICE!
Post by: Chelagoras The Boulder on June 30, 2017, 06:14:16 pm
I need to shout this at people in public.
Title: Re: REJOICE!
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on June 30, 2017, 06:40:37 pm
Poster of this
Title: Re: REJOICE!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 30, 2017, 07:58:53 pm
Poster of this

Gnimbley hasn't been seen for 9 years, but I am more than sure he'd be okay with this.
Title: Re: REJOICE!
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on June 30, 2017, 09:47:07 pm
Poster of this

Gnimbley hasn't been seen for 9 years, but I am more than sure he'd be okay with this.

I'm pretty sure I checked when I made it, either talking with somebody or checking the kopyleft authors thread. I sure as fuck hope so, because this has done the rounds a few times.