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when you say "put your palms on the sphere" i was imagining touching a bright ball (from the outside) only to realize later in the piece that it was infact describing a sphere from the inside. maybe that should be made a bit clearer from the start?

actually i think thats a great metaphore that should be stressed slightly more so that people would assume that as well, only to understand later that they are within the sphere instead of outside of it.

mt, a few reactions:

1.  I don't care if you post on MW.

2.  "ideology of chaos theory" could mean many different things, from the scientific equations to Khaos Madgjieekkque.  could you be more clear on that point?

3.¬† I tend to separate the Black Iron Prison from the Machine,Ñ¢, and I really don't see it in a nihilistic way.¬† It's simply a fact: there are some things in this Universe I cannot directly experience, and I cannot even objectively observe the small amount of stuff I can directly experience.¬† But what I can do is to change the way I experience things.¬† It's a simple concept, but many, many people think that what they observe is "all" that there "is".

4.¬† I hold that the Machine,Ñ¢ is what happens when people forget they're in Prison.

5.  Check the "Golden Sphere of Possibility" thread to see another angle of the BIP.

#1 i didnt think u were being serious, only trying to state that any serious point isnt usually a point taken very seriously by  me.
#2 Actually u stated it perfectly the idiology of chaos theory isnt something thats seen or pointed at, but is something thats experienced by the individual, and if that person attempts to explain there "moment" in chaos it only can be stated that everything was moving but i was staying still, which actually is quite contradictory to the theory of chaos. to try and explain chaos theory through string theory, or mathmatical equations only shows that there is a formula where something can be possible, but only through experience by the individual CAN  it actually be a possibility.
#4 Actually i do believe both to play a integrated part within each other, something i used to state when i first come across my realisation of this "machine", was that it exists only because we arent concious of our own existence, and that the machine is both beautiful and scarey because its broken,broken in the context meaning it is the single one element that keeps us within the machine and yet is the only "thing" to take us out of the machine both at the same time, it feed our and is our illusion of the world.
#5 I'll just have to do that and see what there is too see.
Anyways if im not using the correct analogies of either what is understood as the "machine" or the "black iron prison", its mostly because ive actually read very little about it other then what ive stumbled across on here, or there. but is mostly by my own experiences of working with aura reading.

Me = curious about which forum mtpath was on...

MW, I'm thinking.  Name looks familiar...

sigh it's good to know that i already have enemies home wouldnt be that without looking over my shoulder "starts singing memories"

I thought we offered asshattery.

Oh, and by the way:

Oddly enough i read about the black iron prison within another forum that tended to treat those that were part of this group "discordians, subgenii", as a carnival act, something to gain amusment from. although i think many here tend to see themselves as being just this i also think that there are some thought provoking and quite enlightened ideas written between the lines, but not necessarily blatently stated.
Anyways the concept and idiology of the balck iron prison isnt new too me, although it being stated in such a colourful context is, ive studied aura reading and empathy most my adolscent life, and now into my adult life i find that people are indeed trapped by there own perceptions, and by this they have created there reality of bias that they couldnt escape from even if they wanted too.
This is a system and idiology i've been working on both moving outside of as well as defining the parts that make it up ie: "the machine", for quite a long time, not quite sure how to approach any of this but if anyones ever intrested in comparing notes or experiences id be more then happy to talk, perhaps over a nice game of chess?
Salutations

I would be very happy to hear about a link of the BIP with empathy (without the metaphysical gang war of "empathy vs emotional contagion").  Some of us here (ahem*me*ahem) tend to get all left-brained when making this shit up.

So, mtpathy:  give us a rant, if'n you please.

err well i downloaded and read the pdf file repeatedly and although much of it tended to sound like a kid voicing his angst "isnt that a kmfdm album" against the world, there were other parts of it that i found quite new and novel.
as ive stated earlier this concept isnt new too me, but its intresting to find others that i might share my experiences of it with and for them to not think that im to weird.. but i tend to think that this belief of a faceless and massless machine that has all these spinning parts and greased gears is us, nothing more and nothing less.
where many seem to personify the machine as being a thing outside of self ie: society, governement, the female or male species, the president etc. " i assume alot dont i"?  i tend to see this machine as being only a outward manifestation of a inward conflict.
i would even place the idiology of chaos theory into this mix,"sure why not" as this philosophy imo seems to be a westernized concept birthed from the eastern belief of zen "everything ceases to exist, when one begins to exist only in the present", except in the westernized mindset they have taken that belief to mean a more nihilistic everything dies so theres no meaning too life approach.

Oddly enough i read about the black iron prison within another forum that tended to treat those that were part of this group "discordians, subgenii", as a carnival act, something to gain amusment from. although i think many here tend to see themselves as being just this i also think that there are some thought provoking and quite enlightened ideas written between the lines, but not necessarily blatently stated.
Anyways the concept and idiology of the balck iron prison isnt new too me, although it being stated in such a colourful context is, ive studied aura reading and empathy most my adolscent life, and now into my adult life i find that people are indeed trapped by there own perceptions, and by this they have created there reality of bias that they couldnt escape from even if they wanted too.
This is a system and idiology i've been working on both moving outside of as well as defining the parts that make it up ie: "the machine", for quite a long time, not quite sure how to approach any of this but if anyones ever intrested in comparing notes or experiences id be more then happy to talk, perhaps over a nice game of chess?
Salutations