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We are all 4chan and 4chan is all of us. Now gtfo off my lawn oldfags.

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Do combine.

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

Oh, and I get to stab people in the face.

Thank you Discordia.

You wouldn't make a dig at someone you didn't know IRL, so why do it here? 

Wha? Says who?

Skepticism vs Pseudo skepticism. I would like to think a true skeptic. Show me proof of bigfoot/faith healings/UFOs that is greater than human fallibility, and I'll believe them. I never will say certain things don't exist, just that we lack most evidence for them. Russell's Teapot.  Which is why I am rarely sure of exactly what I am saying. I will say I am very scientific with things, trying to look for evidence, reproducibility, predictions, etc. Empiricism. I had a seemingly neverending argument about science and skepticism and maybe logic with Ratatosk and Eris incarnate for a week. 

I've yet to decide a lot. Science just seems a damn good way of thinking about the world.

Rhys

"Science is more a way of thinking than a body of knowledge."
--Carl Sagan.

Thats reasonable enough. Thanks.

I think we need less madness here. More SPARTA! I want to ask just an innocent question:

How seriously does everyone take this forum/ eachother/ themselves? .... 

I like golden apples. People fight so merrily over them!

[I agree with the op.]

I do believe I said " Makes sense, I relent " about 11 posts ago. :\ Maybe unlike some here, I do acknowledge when I am incorrect. I agree with the op.

An entirely new discussion, the end of my last post was more on absolute physical sense of chaos, which has nothing to do with this thread. Excuse me. I shall ask again elsewhere. As for my "science bullshit," do throw your ordered semi-conductor based machine that works specifically due to the orderliness and predictability of electrons, since it is obviously science based bullshit. (I'm talking about the computer/internet/server system we are having this discussion on.)

Cheers.

GA for the win. If you consider order as a value vs other values, of course. You're restricting it to a entirely human world, one of values and morals and ethics and human actions. Paradox, the original post makes sense now. I relent.

Burnstoupee you make no sense. You've simply said the exact same thing as the original poster without defining your terms.

1: Order/Disorder are ways to describe chaos, and apparently are equal.
2: Politicians don't use chaos.
3: Politicians use order/disorder as they cannot user order alone, without equal parts disorder.
4: Thus, associative property, Politicians use Chaos. See #3 for contradiction.
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Save for the bit about cause and effect in the world outside of the human condition. One thing in my previous post I left out. "that if you understand why an action occurs, and can predict it, it is no longer chaotic." On a macro level. Quantum, arguably the source for all cause in the universe, is truly random. BUT I have a hard time equating that with a world at a lower resolution, where if a baseball is thrown or a capacitor charged, a logical orderly prediction can occur. You may say that of course we can't predict when the ball will catch fire, of the capacitor explode, but actually it is very possible with enough time and equipment. I don't entirely know what I think about this.

...... I am completely lost. I am just trying to make the single point, that if you understand why an action occurs, and can predict it, it is no longer chaotic. Chaos I think by definition requires a degree of randomness. http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Achaos It requires unpredictability. Since ever single action follows the laws of cause in effect, there is no such thing as "Chaos." It is simply perceived confusion because you are a lowly being.

The people in charge promoting order do not resort to chaos to enforce it. Because of their level of information about actions happening around them, they simply are using a more complex form of cause and effect.

Robots are a bad idea. Maybe. Giant robots are pretty sweet.

What I mean is, how do you define certain things as chaos? Political dissidence is counteracted by the DHS or NSA "removing" certain people. Action, reaction. Seems pretty ordered to me. 

A problem with your argument. You say that to further Order you need to use Choatic methods to do so. This is false. Zero tolerance policies are an example of order, unreasoning simple strict order. Imagine Zero Tolerance laws implemented by robots. Order implemented by order.

Also, isn't the fundamental nature of the universe such that each and every action has a reaction? Isn't everything ordered, just as a matter of perspective? Isn't it just a matter of how high must a being be to see a system as ordered?

An idea to counteract these issues, could you help define "Chaos" for me? If things are viewed from our perspective, then obviously chaos exists and with humans zero tolerance fails terribly. Your point is valid in the real world, but not in a pure sense.

Rhys

I was going to ask you guys what is really important in life.

Then I realized your wrong. Thats important. Thats not the answer. Thats the correct response to the question. Because I have the answer, I don't care about the answer anymore.

So...

Voting republican, I see.   

Why of course! Who needs to ask questions anymore or care about the answers when we have McCain to look to for leadership? Ever feel like everything his campaign does is like waving a giant middle finger to the American voter? Like somehow, they just don't give a shit what you think. Which is a curious idea...how do they expect to win the election if they don't care about the voter?

I was going to ask you guys what is really important in life.

Then I realized your wrong. Thats important. Thats not the answer. Thats the correct response to the question. Because I have the answer, I don't care about the answer anymore.

Now I have something of the magical Zen, from some quote I've heard my boss mention from some movie called buckazaroo or something. I don't even know what Zen means. I just have it. EDIT1: No, I don't. I have. Those are the correct words.

"Wherever you go, thats where you are". I never needed the question in the first place. ..and I don't care what you think. 

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^ The answer. 

EDIT2: ^Lies. I understand now. Thank you.