The Sacred Chao Te Ching

[Cramulus]

can you give me some more notes about my preface?  Looking to tune it tighter. You read the version I posted this morning, right?

[Cramulus]

Flip it, then.  Red background, black font.

the problem is that the chao image has a black background. What we could really use is a higher res version of that image we can manipulate; I was tinkering with it in MS Paint and I think I bunged it up further. Kai made it that image, based on Wondering Monk's avatar IIRC.

[LMNO]

Ok, bottom of the cover black, so as to blend with the Chao.  As you progress up, it fades to grey, so the title is legible.


LMNO
-Doesn't design that often, if you couldn't tell.

[Cramulus]

Not sure if I can do that with my current software. I'll play around with it...


In the meantime-----

Do you guys have any favorite chapters? What would go on your personal "best of" list?



things I'm considering doing:

1. creating a continuous CTC scroll
2. tabloid paper + image + single stanza
3. creating a blog where each stanza is its own post

[Cramulus]

things to consider:

Appendix: the PD's Sacred Chao pages
http://principiadiscordia.com/book/10.php
http://principiadiscordia.com/book/56.php
http://principiadiscordia.com/book/57.php
http://principiadiscordia.com/book/58.php
http://principiadiscordia.com/book/59.php ?

[Cramulus]

doodling and experiments: http://www.scribd.com/doc/48500915/Chapter-16 - ick that needs a lot of work, but you can see where it's going

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

I'm positive I can fix that black discrepancy—it's a pretty common problem.

But I would also need to rebuild the image which would also make it nice and crisp.

[Cuddlefish]

can you give me some more notes about my preface?  Looking to tune it tighter. You read the version I posted this morning, right?

hey, just re-read it (and it seems to be updated?) and I realized what it was that wasn't sitting right with me.

It's written in third person, and I know, for a fact Cramulus (you) wrote it, and because I know this, it seems weird to me that it's worded as "Alpha Pance and Cramulus," as opposed to "Alpha Pance and I". I'm supposing this wouldn't be an issue for a lot of people, because they don't realize that you (Cramulus) wrote the preface. Shit, I hope I'm making sense.

And as far as different ways of presentation, I'm all for anything physical that I can put my grubby little paws (and other parts) all over.

[Cuddlefish]

doodling and experiments: http://www.scribd.com/doc/48500915/Chapter-16 - ick that needs a lot of work, but you can see where it's going

I like the inclusion of imagery, but I think images that would be "right at home" in the Tao te Ching should be avoided.

Instead, I think there's a HUGE amount of Discordian and Discorian related imagery (and other imagery from the meme-sphere) that can be used for a lot of this stuff. Y'know, things from the basic Eye n' the Pyramid, Sacred Chao and Kallisti Apple, in addition to tentacley, Lovecraftian, Cthulu-esque style images. Maybe even some Three Stooges and Sesame St. related pics. Hell, even some WOMPS might be relevant.

[Cuddlefish]

Hell, this came to mind as I was posting that:



It could work some where, and even if not this particular picture, things along this line could be cool.

[Captain Utopia]

doodling and experiments: http://www.scribd.com/doc/48500915/Chapter-16 - ick that needs a lot of work, but you can see where it's going

I like the inclusion of imagery, but I think images that would be "right at home" in the Tao te Ching should be avoided.

Instead, I think there's a HUGE amount of Discordian and Discorian related imagery (and other imagery from the meme-sphere) that can be used for a lot of this stuff. Y'know, things from the basic Eye n' the Pyramid, Sacred Chao and Kallisti Apple, in addition to tentacley, Lovecraftian, Cthulu-esque style images. Maybe even some Three Stooges and Sesame St. related pics. Hell, even some WOMPS might be relevant.

Personal taste wise - I really prefer the timeless feel of the unadorned pages.  The PD played about with publishing tricks and crazy formatting and that was a little mindfuck at a time of staid publications.  It opened the readers mind to new possibilities.  It's old now though.  Let the words speak for themselves - why add distraction?

[LMNO]

I agree, but I'm probably being selfish and territorial.

[Cuddlefish]

Let me try to clarify (my posts have been hastily written lately, as my comp shit the bed, and I'm getting my time in in small slivers).

First, IF there is going to be images, they should NOT be anything close to traditional Taoist images (or anything close to what us Westerners would consider to be Taoist or Eastern imagery), IMO. There's plenty of other symbols and pictures we could use that are more relevent to a Discordian work. I'm not at all lobbying for a mish-mash collage like in the PD, because I don't think that would be appropriate for the text (frankly, I don't understand why you would think, simply because I suggested certain types of imagery, that I was necessarily lobbying for a particular image layout).

That said, it was just a fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pance idea/suggestion. Personally, I think the inclusion of some pictures could really liven it up, and would be "appropriate," in the sense that a lot of "Discordian texts" are image/symbol heavy.

And don't get me wrong, I'll take a copy of this regardless of whether or not it has pictures, or if it was written in crayon or if it was stenciled in poo. It's awesome regardless. I just wanted to toss some ideas out while there was still a little time left for changes.

[LMNO]

One poo-stencil, coming your way!

[Cuddlefish]

why add distraction?

This bugs me. First, do you get distracted easily by pretty pictures or something? Second, umm, it's a Discordian piece.

Sorry, not trying to be confrontational (well, not in a combatative sense, anyhow), just sayin'

Seriously, tho, like I said, it doesn't really matter to me.