Prophecies Nobody Wants to Hear, part I of V

[Cramulus]

Alright, I get it now. This thread is only about how we're hopelessly fucked. I'll try to be more pessimistic.

[Adios]

Alright, I get it now. This thread is only about how we're hopelessly fucked. I'll try to be more pessimistic.

Never mind.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Alright, I get it now. This thread is only about how we're hopelessly fucked. I'll try to be more pessimistic.

Leaving this thread now, not doing #2.

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

Alright, I get it now. This thread is only about how we're hopelessly fucked. I'll try to be more pessimistic.

Leaving this thread now, not doing #2.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Alright, I get it now. This thread is only about how we're hopelessly fucked. I'll try to be more pessimistic.

Leaving this thread now, not doing #2.

Well, fuck it, you know?  You present a complex, difficult problem, and people either pretend there is no problem, or jam words in my fucking mouth.  Either it's TOTALLY OKAY or ABANDON SHIP, IT'S TOTALLY FUCKED.  There is no middle ground.

Oh, well, I should have seen this coming.  I guess I'll jump on board.  There is no problem, keep pumping those kids out, and we'll find some way to feed more people, until we're shoulder-to-fucking-shoulder in a toxic desert.

To hell with it.  I'm going back to writing about nice, simple things that don't actually upset people.

Because we wouldn't want that, in this best of all possible world.

[Faust]

Alright, I get it now. This thread is only about how we're hopelessly fucked. I'll try to be more pessimistic.

Leaving this thread now, not doing #2.

Well, fuck it, you know?  You present a complex, difficult problem, and people either pretend there is no problem, or jam words in my fucking mouth.  Either it's TOTALLY OKAY or ABANDON SHIP, IT'S TOTALLY FUCKED.  There is no middle ground.

Oh, well, I should have seen this coming.  I guess I'll jump on board.  There is no problem, keep pumping those kids out, and we'll find some way to feed more people, until we're shoulder-to-fucking-shoulder in a toxic desert.

To hell with it.  I'm going back to writing about nice, simple things that don't actually upset people.

Because we wouldn't want that, in this best of all possible world.

We both know the solution that is obviously going to be used is the mass genocide/starvation/sterilisation of billions of people. I'm sure they'll find a way that it doesn't sound like that's what they are doing, and how hands were tied.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Alright, I get it now. This thread is only about how we're hopelessly fucked. I'll try to be more pessimistic.

Leaving this thread now, not doing #2.

Well, fuck it, you know?  You present a complex, difficult problem, and people either pretend there is no problem, or jam words in my fucking mouth.  Either it's TOTALLY OKAY or ABANDON SHIP, IT'S TOTALLY FUCKED.  There is no middle ground.

Oh, well, I should have seen this coming.  I guess I'll jump on board.  There is no problem, keep pumping those kids out, and we'll find some way to feed more people, until we're shoulder-to-fucking-shoulder in a toxic desert.

To hell with it.  I'm going back to writing about nice, simple things that don't actually upset people.

Because we wouldn't want that, in this best of all possible world.

We both know the solution that is obviously going to be used is the mass genocide/starvation/sterilisation of billions of people. I'm sure they'll find a way that it doesn't sound like that's what they are doing, and how hands were tied.

Sure.  So there's no need to try to think of anything else.  Either we'll all become monsters or victims of monsters, or we'll try to continue to feed more and more people instead of finding a way to reach a sustainable population.

In any case, I don't give a shit.  As I say, I'm going back to writing things that don't ask these sorts of questions.

[Cramulus]

again, I don't know where people are getting the implication that I'm saying there's no problem and everything's totally okay. We disagree about certain parts of the problem. To summarize:

-Carrying capacity is a muddy point. You won't find a lot of agreement amongst scientists about what the earth's carrying capacity really is. Furthermore, estimates about carrying capacity tend to diverge over time. Technology is very unpredictable, and therefore one of the factors that makes it difficult to pin down a carrying capacity.

-Earlier, I named a few technologies which could increase carrying capacity (vert.farming and better desalinization), and referenced the Green Revolution, which is an example of how we've used tech in the last 60 years to measurably increasing carrying capacity.

Nowhere did I say "Everything's fine, just keep pumping kids out", those are words that charlie put in my mouth.

I was under the preconception that this was a rant, and furthermore a complex problem - so we're supposed to be dissecting it and talking about it, not just fanning the OP with agreement and praise. I'm sorry we didn't arrive at the same conclusion about the nature of the problem or the possible solutions. Maybe I shouldn't have posted at all then? Either way, you're not encouraging actual discussion by saying "I guess I just wont' ask these questions anymore!"

[Adios]

Alright, I get it now. This thread is only about how we're hopelessly fucked. I'll try to be more pessimistic.

Leaving this thread now, not doing #2.

Well, fuck it, you know?  You present a complex, difficult problem, and people either pretend there is no problem, or jam words in my fucking mouth.  Either it's TOTALLY OKAY or ABANDON SHIP, IT'S TOTALLY FUCKED.  There is no middle ground.

Oh, well, I should have seen this coming.  I guess I'll jump on board.  There is no problem, keep pumping those kids out, and we'll find some way to feed more people, until we're shoulder-to-fucking-shoulder in a toxic desert.

To hell with it.  I'm going back to writing about nice, simple things that don't actually upset people.

Because we wouldn't want that, in this best of all possible world.

Fuck. I just need to stay out of threads I guess.

[Faust]

Alright, I get it now. This thread is only about how we're hopelessly fucked. I'll try to be more pessimistic.

Leaving this thread now, not doing #2.

Well, fuck it, you know?  You present a complex, difficult problem, and people either pretend there is no problem, or jam words in my fucking mouth.  Either it's TOTALLY OKAY or ABANDON SHIP, IT'S TOTALLY FUCKED.  There is no middle ground.

Oh, well, I should have seen this coming.  I guess I'll jump on board.  There is no problem, keep pumping those kids out, and we'll find some way to feed more people, until we're shoulder-to-fucking-shoulder in a toxic desert.

To hell with it.  I'm going back to writing about nice, simple things that don't actually upset people.

Because we wouldn't want that, in this best of all possible world.

We both know the solution that is obviously going to be used is the mass genocide/starvation/sterilisation of billions of people. I'm sure they'll find a way that it doesn't sound like that's what they are doing, and how hands were tied.

Sure.  So there's no need to try to think of anything else.  Either we'll all become monsters or victims of monsters, or we'll try to continue to feed more and more people instead of finding a way to reach a sustainable population.

In any case, I don't give a shit.  As I say, I'm going back to writing things that don't ask these sorts of questions.

The questions need to be asked, if we are going to be made accomplices to murder we at least deserve it to be damn clear why.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Either way, you're not encouraging actual discussion by saying "I guess I just wont' ask these questions anymore!"

Nor are we encouraging discussion by putting words in each others' mouths.

I'm done with it.  Not because I'm pissed at any one person, but because nobody - except Cain - seems to want to do anything more than trumpet their opinions past each other.  Obviously, I'm including myself in this, and I really don't want any more to do with that sort of thing.

And if the conversation can't happen HERE, it sure as fuck ain't gonna happen with a planet-load of monkeys, so it's fucking pointless.  Let the monkeys breed themselves into oblivion.  Where I sit, I'll get to cheer a bunch of them off the planet before the problem gets around to killing me.

To hell with it.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The questions need to be asked, if we are going to be made accomplices to murder we at least deserve it to be damn clear why.

Fuck 'em.

[Faust]

The questions need to be asked, if we are going to be made accomplices to murder we at least deserve it to be damn clear why.

Fuck 'em.

There is of course an alternative solution; annihilation of the first world countries by the first world countries, leaving the developing countries,
It leaves them blameless at least.

[Lord Cataplanga]

-Carrying capacity is a muddy point. You won't find a lot of agreement amongst scientists about what the earth's carrying capacity really is. Furthermore, estimates about carrying capacity tend to diverge over time. Technology is very unpredictable, and therefore one of the factors that makes it difficult to pin down a carrying capacity.

Whatever the carrying capacity of the planet actually is, it's clearly finite. The only thing that's going to change with technology is how long it takes before we are forced to implement a Final Solution.

[Faust]

-Carrying capacity is a muddy point. You won't find a lot of agreement amongst scientists about what the earth's carrying capacity really is. Furthermore, estimates about carrying capacity tend to diverge over time. Technology is very unpredictable, and therefore one of the factors that makes it difficult to pin down a carrying capacity.

Whatever the carrying capacity of the planet actually is, it's clearly finite. The only thing that's going to change with technology is how long it takes before we are forced to implement a Final Solution.

Well thats not entirely true. Theoretically we could keep going with the kicking the can down the road as long as we can acting under the assumption something ELSE will kill us first.