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NH GoP state House Speaker wants to remove voting rights from college students..

Started by Luna, March 09, 2011, 01:58:24 PM

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Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 05:28:27 PM
Sorry, I'm pretty slammed with projects at the moment so didn't have a chance to get back to this thread earlier. 

I clearly said that legislation preventing people from voting who have no vested interest in the future of the community would be a terrible idea.  Actually proving they wont be in the future is impossible.

If I don't plan on being in one place for more than a few years, I don't think it's appropriate to cast my vote for things that will affect the people who do.  i.e. property tax legislation, zoning issues or land use ordinances, even city council positions. 

It's just what I think, an opinion. 

Feel free to tear into it as it is, not as you apparently read it. 

When you are part of a community, what happens locally DOES impact you.  When you are a college student, you are subject to the same ordinances and laws that every other member of that community is subject to.  When you are a college student in a community, you pay taxes.  If you own and register a car where you go to college, you pay taxes.  If you have any money going into that community, you have every right to have a say in local elections and politics.  Nobody can predict the future.  Renters in a given community won't necessarily plan to live in a community for more than a few years, but they also have every right to vote in that community's local elections.  It should be no different for a college student. 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Luna

Hey, we could take it back to when only landowners got a vote, I suppose...
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Quote from: The Payne on November 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
If Luna was a furry, she'd sex humans and scream "BEASTIALITY!" at the top of her lungs at inopportune times.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

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"Stop talking to yourself.  You don't like you any better than anyone else who knows you."

Jenne

...that's actually a Teabagger plank, I believe, Luna.  I know they've at least suggested as much.

Disco Pickle

It's just my opinion, and not one I expect everyone else to hold.  Once a law is on the books, it's almost impossible to get rid of it.  Much like Federal agencies, no matter how inept.

and again, I think legislating it is the worst sort of legal precedent.  Next you'd have liberals pushing for competency tests before voting to weed out what they see as uneducated conservatives..   back and forth that would do nothing but distract and detract from a system that, while flaws exist, is still a pretty damn good way of governing ourselves.

it's really just a horrible idea.  Kind of hard to believe it's being pushed in New Hampshire of all places. 

I'm also on the side of providing I.D. before casting a vote, but I'm probably in the minority on that issue on this board as well.
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Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 06:54:22 PM

and again, I think legislating it is the worst sort of legal precedent. 

I'm beginning to think you aren't serious about having a good time.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Luna

Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 06:54:22 PM
I'm also on the side of providing I.D. before casting a vote, but I'm probably in the minority on that issue on this board as well.

Actually, I'm okay with that... provided they make ID's easy to get and free.

Even the $15 or so it costs to pick one up in this state would have been too much for me, at several points in my life.  (I've been, "oh, God, do I have to split the packages of Ramen Noodles to get me through the end of the week" broke, it is NOT fun.)
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Pagan-Stomping Valkyrie of the Interbutts™
Rampaging Slayer of Shit-Fountain Habitues

"My father says that almost the whole world is asleep. Everybody you know, everybody you see, everybody you talk to. He says that only a few people are awake, and they live in a state of constant, total amazement."

Quote from: The Payne on November 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
If Luna was a furry, she'd sex humans and scream "BEASTIALITY!" at the top of her lungs at inopportune times.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

Quote
"Stop talking to yourself.  You don't like you any better than anyone else who knows you."

The Good Reverend Roger

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Luna

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 06:54:22 PM

and again, I think legislating it is the worst sort of legal precedent. 

I'm beginning to think you aren't serious about having a good time.

So, aside from the boy toy idea you provided me with (being held in reserve until the divorce is final, I've got an excellent adultery case I don't want to water down in case I need to use it), how would TGRR suggest I have a good time?

(It's my thread, I'll derail it if I wanna.)
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Pagan-Stomping Valkyrie of the Interbutts™
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"My father says that almost the whole world is asleep. Everybody you know, everybody you see, everybody you talk to. He says that only a few people are awake, and they live in a state of constant, total amazement."

Quote from: The Payne on November 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
If Luna was a furry, she'd sex humans and scream "BEASTIALITY!" at the top of her lungs at inopportune times.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

Quote
"Stop talking to yourself.  You don't like you any better than anyone else who knows you."

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 06:59:59 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 06:54:22 PM

and again, I think legislating it is the worst sort of legal precedent. 

I'm beginning to think you aren't serious about having a good time.

So, aside from the boy toy idea you provided me with (being held in reserve until the divorce is final, I've got an excellent adultery case I don't want to water down in case I need to use it), how would TGRR suggest I have a good time?

(It's my thread, I'll derail it if I wanna.)

By supporting this measure publicly (and badly) on NH newspaper websites' comments sections.

And by learning to stop worrying, and love the stupid for its own sake.  You can't stop it, you may as well hit the wall like a fucking rock star.  Fact:  Laughing is better for you.  And if the country gets fucked up the ass by reality in the form of Ferdinand the Bull?  Well, that's their fucking problem, and they DEMANDED it, anyway.

Fuck the humans, Luna.  It's up to us to get our freak on, and not let them know we're doing it.  Let the libertarians sweat the impossible situations.  They think they care, and they think they have a solution, so why ruin the hilarity by pointing out inconvenient little facts?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Disco Pickle

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 06:54:22 PM

and again, I think legislating it is the worst sort of legal precedent. 

I'm beginning to think you aren't serious about having a good time.

good thing you fine folks are here to remind me not to take anything too seriously.
"Events in the past may be roughly divided into those which probably never happened and those which do not matter." --William Ralph Inge

"sometimes someone confesses a sin in order to take credit for it." -- John Von Neumann

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 07:08:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 06:54:22 PM

and again, I think legislating it is the worst sort of legal precedent. 

I'm beginning to think you aren't serious about having a good time.

good thing you fine folks are here to remind me not to take anything too seriously.

"If you think this is JUST a joke, well, by God, you'll never get the punchline."
- Ken DeVries

It's not that, PS.  It's just that you have the wrong values.  You believe the wrong things.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Don Coyote

Quote from: Jenne on March 09, 2011, 06:26:41 PM
...that's actually a Teabagger plank, I believe, Luna.  I know they've at least suggested as much.

Along with the disenfranchisement of Active Duty Service Members because of that. We don't deserve to vote or have a voice in the government because we signed our lives away. :kingmeh:

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: aedh on March 09, 2011, 07:12:58 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 09, 2011, 06:26:41 PM
...that's actually a Teabagger plank, I believe, Luna.  I know they've at least suggested as much.

Along with the disenfranchisement of Active Duty Service Members because of that. We don't deserve to vote or have a voice in the government because we signed our lives away. :kingmeh:

This is the exact reason I signed for my kid to enlist early.

He needs to understand how things actually work, and there's no teacher like a term in the service.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Luna

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 07:04:16 PM
And if the country gets fucked up the ass by reality in the form of Ferdinand the Bull?  Well, that's their fucking problem, and they DEMANDED it, anyway.

That is a visual that's going to linger.  



The come-hither look...

QuoteBy supporting this measure publicly (and badly) on NH newspaper websites' comments sections.

Yeah, I'd been thinking along those lines, y'all are a terrible, horrible influence.   :D

QuoteAnd by learning to stop worrying, and love the stupid for its own sake.  You can't stop it, you may as well hit the wall like a fucking rock star.  Fact:  Laughing is better for you.

This I need to work on.  Been fighting the stupid for a long time, tactics change is required.
Heh, I'll have to dig around tonight
Death-dealing hormone freak of deliciousness
Pagan-Stomping Valkyrie of the Interbutts™
Rampaging Slayer of Shit-Fountain Habitues

"My father says that almost the whole world is asleep. Everybody you know, everybody you see, everybody you talk to. He says that only a few people are awake, and they live in a state of constant, total amazement."

Quote from: The Payne on November 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
If Luna was a furry, she'd sex humans and scream "BEASTIALITY!" at the top of her lungs at inopportune times.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

Quote
"Stop talking to yourself.  You don't like you any better than anyone else who knows you."

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 07:15:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 07:04:16 PM
And if the country gets fucked up the ass by reality in the form of Ferdinand the Bull?  Well, that's their fucking problem, and they DEMANDED it, anyway.

That is a visual that's going to linger.  



The come-hither look...

QuoteBy supporting this measure publicly (and badly) on NH newspaper websites' comments sections.

Yeah, I'd been thinking along those lines, y'all are a terrible, horrible influence.   :D

QuoteAnd by learning to stop worrying, and love the stupid for its own sake.  You can't stop it, you may as well hit the wall like a fucking rock star.  Fact:  Laughing is better for you.

This I need to work on.  Been fighting the stupid for a long time, tactics change is required.
Heh, I'll have to dig around tonight


Fighting the stupid?  King Canute?  Is that YOU?   :lulz:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.