This thread is now an A Dance With Dragons Spoiler thread.

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

So, incest, rape, and gangbangs are considered appealing to the general female demographic?


I had no idea.

I'm missing something somewhere.....  I didn't say that.

Most amusing was a review for Slate, which seemed to assume all the sex was put into the show to appeal to a female demographic.  Yeah, because there was totally no rape and incest and general sleeping around in the series before HBO got their hands on it, hell no.

I saw that but didn't get the reference as I've never seen the show.    I don't watch stuff like that.  A friend of mine rented the "I Spit On Your Grave" movie and I ended up leaving the room until it was over.  It's not a turn on for me personally.

[Disco Pickle]

apparently there's quite the stink on review sites (comments mostly) about the killing of the dire wolf last night.  Assuming it makes it to Storm of Swords, and the red wedding, they're going to be in for an even bigger shock, if HBO even decides to include what happens to Rob and his wolf.  It would be a bit over the top, considering how those two chapters ended.

I thought it was a damn good followup that let them get quite a few plot points out in the open, but I'm not sure 10 episodes for the year will really be enough to get it all out in the way I would want it.  I actually started rereading the first book last week, just to refresh my memory.  It's just as good the second time around.

[Eater of Clowns]

2nd episode - huge improvement in pacing.  Less rushed, more suspenseful.

If anyone thought what happened to Lady was bad they should probably just stop watching the series.  That's about as mild as it gets.

[Bruno]

My roommate has been reading the books. He asked me to see if it was on Youtube yet.

Yeah... no.

Fortunately, I have a Demonoid account. 

[Cain]

Christ.  Just wait to the flashback scenes of what Gregor did to Aegon and Elia Martell (for those who didn't read the books, or cant remember: he dashed the infant Aegon's head against a wall to kill him, then raped Elia, with the brains of Aegor on his hands, before murdering her).  Or in fact any scene involving Gregor, pretty much.  That man is a walking crime against humanity.  Between him and Amory Lorch, there is going to be a lot of screeching on the internets.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Christ.  Just wait to the flashback scenes of what Gregor did to Aegon and Elia Martell (for those who didn't read the books, or cant remember: he dashed the infant Aegon's head against a wall to kill him, then raped Elia, with the brains of Aegor on his hands, before murdering her).  Or in fact any scene involving Gregor, pretty much.  That man is a walking crime against humanity.  Between him and Amory Lorch, there is going to be a lot of screeching on the internets.

The series isn't known for well-adjusted characters.  Or happy endings.

TGRR,
Can't wait til the public gets a load of the red wedding.

[Disco Pickle]

Christ.  Just wait to the flashback scenes of what Gregor did to Aegon and Elia Martell (for those who didn't read the books, or cant remember: he dashed the infant Aegon's head against a wall to kill him, then raped Elia, with the brains of Aegor on his hands, before murdering her).  Or in fact any scene involving Gregor, pretty much.  That man is a walking crime against humanity.  Between him and Amory Lorch, there is going to be a lot of screeching on the internets.

The series isn't known for well-adjusted characters.  Or happy endings.

TGRR,
Can't wait til the public gets a load of the red wedding.

Or when they show how Melisandre breaks the siege at Storm's End.  That'll be a sight, assuming they show it.

[Eater of Clowns]

SPOILERS HO!  Probably not necessary at this point, but nonetheless.

They aren't too afraid of gore.  The shot after Bran's wolf tore out a dude's throat was pretty gruesome.

Showing Gregor killing an infant might be a bit far, though.  My guess is that his complete monster tendencies will be spoken about but not shown.  Speaking of which, is anyone else relieved about his character's current alluded-to state.  I mean, he might be an unstoppable giant Frankenclegane, but him being controlled as such would eliminate his more awful tendencies as being, well, an infant killer and rapist.

[Disco Pickle]

SPOILERS HO!  Probably not necessary at this point, but nonetheless.

They aren't too afraid of gore.  The shot after Bran's wolf tore out a dude's throat was pretty gruesome.

Showing Gregor killing an infant might be a bit far, though.  My guess is that his complete monster tendencies will be spoken about but not shown.  Speaking of which, is anyone else relieved about his character's current alluded-to state.  I mean, he might be an unstoppable giant Frankenclegane, but him being controlled as such would eliminate his more awful tendencies as being, well, an infant killer and rapist.

I must have missed that.  I recall him being mentioned, but not what was said.  I'm going to likely be re-watching these at least twice this week to catch anything I might have missed, or just forgotten.

[Eater of Clowns]

SPOILERS HO!  Probably not necessary at this point, but nonetheless.

They aren't too afraid of gore.  The shot after Bran's wolf tore out a dude's throat was pretty gruesome.

Showing Gregor killing an infant might be a bit far, though.  My guess is that his complete monster tendencies will be spoken about but not shown.  Speaking of which, is anyone else relieved about his character's current alluded-to state.  I mean, he might be an unstoppable giant Frankenclegane, but him being controlled as such would eliminate his more awful tendencies as being, well, an infant killer and rapist.

I must have missed that.  I recall him being mentioned, but not what was said.  I'm going to likely be re-watching these at least twice this week to catch anything I might have missed, or just forgotten.

He hasn't been mentioned yet in the show.  I was talking about the books past the comment about Bran's wolf.

[Disco Pickle]

SPOILERS HO!  Probably not necessary at this point, but nonetheless.

They aren't too afraid of gore.  The shot after Bran's wolf tore out a dude's throat was pretty gruesome.

Showing Gregor killing an infant might be a bit far, though.  My guess is that his complete monster tendencies will be spoken about but not shown.  Speaking of which, is anyone else relieved about his character's current alluded-to state.  I mean, he might be an unstoppable giant Frankenclegane, but him being controlled as such would eliminate his more awful tendencies as being, well, an infant killer and rapist.

I must have missed that.  I recall him being mentioned, but not what was said.  I'm going to likely be re-watching these at least twice this week to catch anything I might have missed, or just forgotten.

He hasn't been mentioned yet in the show.  I was talking about the books past the comment about Bran's wolf.

I don't think they should tone him down at all.  That's what made him who he was.  Doing an off camera sound of him killing Aegon while Elia watches would probably be in better taste, but I think that particular part of his character building is absolutely necessary..  you're supposed to HATE this guy.  No better way than being a baby killing monster.

I lean toward keeping in the bad shit especially, because part of what endeared me to the story was that he had no problem killing off a character you spent an entire book getting to know, and he'd do it in a way that made me have to put the book down for a second and say "what the FUCK!"

[Disco Pickle]

holy shitfuck catching up here after a week is time consuming.  Since I'm getting hit with a bunch of backed up work and don't have time at the moment to sift through all of the content I missed, I figured I'd bump this until I can.

Got to do back to back GoT episodes last night to catch the one I missed.  I think they're pretty much to the point where you have to have read the books to be able to keep up with all of the characters that have been introduced.  Jumping back and forth from King's Landing to Winterfell to the Wall to the Targaryens was easier when you could thumb through the index to remind yourself who was part of which family and house.

They finally introduced Gregor last night, though only in armor.  The guy they found to play him really is a fucking mountain.  While I can understand giving the story of what he did to Sandor to Petyer, in order to cement in the mind of the viewer just how monsterous this guy is AS he's introduced, rather than later, I still think it takes away from the humanization of Sandor's character and the dynamic that is built between he and Sansa that really gets fleshed out in the siege of King's Landing.  But that's just me monday morning quarterbacking the screen writers' adaptation.  All in all, I have very few to no complaints about how it's coming together.

So far, Tyrion and Arya really are proving to be cast well, and remain my favorite characters.  I initially thought that Allister Thorne might have been badly cast, but after his second and third scene in the episode I've changed my mind on that.

I did finish rereading the first book on my vacation and fell in love all over again.  They really do have their hands full cramming everything that occurs in that book into 10 episodes.

[Cain]

Tyrion and Arya are brilliant.  Jaime too was very well chosen, IMO.

My main worry is Catelyn Stark.  I don't know if it is the actress, the script or a combination of the two, but she is a much weaker character thus far than she was in the books.  Maybe she'll show more steel later on, but right now she's coming across as a more sane version of her sister.

[Eater of Clowns]

Tyrion and Arya are brilliant.  Jaime too was very well chosen, IMO.

My main worry is Catelyn Stark.  I don't know if it is the actress, the script or a combination of the two, but she is a much weaker character thus far than she was in the books.  Maybe she'll show more steel later on, but right now she's coming across as a more sane version of her sister.

That's interesting.

I feel like a lot of Catelyn's character is a show of strength to the outside world, but then a lot of doubt and sorrow and fear.  It was like 90% of her chapters were about her dear Ned and Bran and how she'd lost them and feared losing Robb too.  I'm wondering if they're playing down her outward sensibility in the show if only because it's hard to describe her many, many periods of inner weakness.

I was a bit disappointed that they left out what she said to Jon Snow, though, as he was saying goodbye to Bran.  It's a brutal line, and actually one that I never forgave her for even as she proved herself a continuously intelligent and gracious character.  I can see why they left it out, because the show is going to lack the complexities of a lot of them (such as Baelish telling The Hound's story).

[Cain]

I would agree that later on, a lot of it was a show and the loss of Bran and Ned affected her deeply, but even earlier on there were hints at being a somewhat formidable character - like suggesting Ned become the King's Hand to investigate Arryn's assassination, or freeing Jaime Lannister.  For me, I cannot currently see her character as the same person seen post-Red Wedding, stringing up soldiers.  But perhaps that will change.  I'll see how she handles Tyrion's trial by combat.