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BabylonHoruv

Quote from: Canis latrans securis on June 18, 2011, 09:48:17 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 17, 2011, 07:53:45 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 17, 2011, 07:16:03 PM
So beating someone's better?

Um, no.

And "fixing" prison's problems with beatings is NOT the way to fix it.  It's going backwards.

I'd certainly rather be beaten than spend a month in prison, let alone years.

Beating people may not be good, but it is better.

So you advocate a punishment that you would prefer done to you?

Think about that for a second.

Punishments aren't supposed to be enjoyable.

I'd rather someone I hate be lashed too.  More visceral immediate enjoyment.  I can watch and enjoy.

I can't watch and enjoy when he's in a cage.
You're a special case, Babylon.  You are offensive even when you don't post.

Merely by being alive, you make everyone just a little more miserable

-Dok Howl

Salty

Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 18, 2011, 10:41:16 PM
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on June 18, 2011, 09:48:17 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 17, 2011, 07:53:45 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 17, 2011, 07:16:03 PM
So beating someone's better?

Um, no.

And "fixing" prison's problems with beatings is NOT the way to fix it.  It's going backwards.

I'd certainly rather be beaten than spend a month in prison, let alone years.

Beating people may not be good, but it is better.

So you advocate a punishment that you would prefer done to you?

Think about that for a second.

Punishments aren't supposed to be enjoyable.

I'd rather someone I hate be lashed too.  More visceral immediate enjoyment.  I can watch and enjoy.

I can't watch and enjoy when he's in a cage.

HEY THERE!

I just dropped by this thread to inform you that THAT'S NOT OKAY.
I mean, it's your life. Do what you want (away from me.)

We all have these urges, you know. It's a human thing. I keep imagining beating in my ex's new guy's face in with a tire iron. AND THAT'S NOT OKAY. I don't WANT to imagine that but it is a powerful urge. Instinctual maybe since he's near my kids, territorial thing left over from evolution I guess.

But uh the whole fucking point of being a human is to rise above those urges.

The whole point of a prison system, I feel, is less to keep THEM away from US and more keeping people like YOU away from THEM.

You method is the easy and stupid one that we have striven to avoid, built majestic cities on the dependable fuel of avoiding a life you are trying to attain.

PLEASE DO KEEP YOUR URGES OUT OF MY CIVILIZATION KAY?

I mean, come ON MAN. I have seen fed up with argument that anarchy will lead to the fucking thunderdome and here you wishing our current system replaced with something VERY MUCH LIKE THE THUNDERDOME. In terms of sophistication anyhow.
The world is a car and you're the crash test dummy.

Jenne

BH...wow.  Prison's not there for you to FEEL anything but "hey that guy or gal's getting his punishment for doing something very very bad."  Feeling "fuck yeah, GITTIN' ME SOME JUSTICE!" is NOT a platform for changing the system for the better. Beating people is not better than locking them up.  Period.

...I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp...

BabylonHoruv

Quote from: Jenne on June 18, 2011, 11:06:23 PM
BH...wow.  Prison's not there for you to FEEL anything but "hey that guy or gal's getting his punishment for doing something very very bad."  Feeling "fuck yeah, GITTIN' ME SOME JUSTICE!" is NOT a platform for changing the system for the better. Beating people is not better than locking them up.  Period.

...I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp...

It costs less, it doesn't rob criminals of years of their life, it doesn't train them to be better criminals, and it gives the victim a more visceral immediate feeling of revenge.  How is it not better than prison?

I haven't seen any arguements for prison here yet, just ones against beating.

Alty, just because the barbarism is instiutionalized and corporatized and handled by someone else on our behalf where we can't see it doesn't make it any less barbaric.  it just makes it more expensive and less effective.

You're a special case, Babylon.  You are offensive even when you don't post.

Merely by being alive, you make everyone just a little more miserable

-Dok Howl

Placid Dingo

Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 19, 2011, 12:49:34 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 18, 2011, 11:06:23 PM
BH...wow.  Prison's not there for you to FEEL anything but "hey that guy or gal's getting his punishment for doing something very very bad."  Feeling "fuck yeah, GITTIN' ME SOME JUSTICE!" is NOT a platform for changing the system for the better. Beating people is not better than locking them up.  Period.

...I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp...

It costs less, it doesn't rob criminals of years of their life, it doesn't train them to be better criminals, and it gives the victim a more visceral immediate feeling of revenge.  How is it not better than prison?

I haven't seen any arguements for prison here yet, just ones against beating.

Alty, just because the barbarism is instiutionalized and corporatized and handled by someone else on our behalf where we can't see it doesn't make it any less barbaric.  it just makes it more expensive and less effective.

Take unbalanced Antisocial danger to society and beat the shit out of them and throw them back?

Not sure I feel safer.
Haven't paid rent since 2014 with ONE WEIRD TRICK.

Salty

Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 19, 2011, 12:49:34 AM

Alty, just because the barbarism is instiutionalized and corporatized and handled by someone else on our behalf where we can't see it doesn't make it any less barbaric.  it just makes it more expensive and less effective.



So, embrace that barbarism because it's cheaper?
The world is a car and you're the crash test dummy.

Don Coyote

Solution: KILL EVERYONE WHO BREAKS THE LAW!!!!!!

Salty

And your post, BH, totally ignores my main point which is that it's not OK to enjoy people you hate getting beaten by...well, by whom exactly? Who does the whipping? Maybe you could do it, eh? Maybe we could all just take it into our own hands. Much cheaper that way. And FUN.
The world is a car and you're the crash test dummy.

Salty

The world is a car and you're the crash test dummy.

Don Coyote

Quote from: Alty on June 19, 2011, 01:09:11 AM
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on June 19, 2011, 01:05:15 AM
Solution: KILL EVERYONE WHO BREAKS THE LAW!!!!!!

Fixed.
:lulz:




Oh and need I remind everyone that BH gets off on snuff porn.

BabylonHoruv

Quote from: Alty on June 19, 2011, 01:02:40 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 19, 2011, 12:49:34 AM

Alty, just because the barbarism is instiutionalized and corporatized and handled by someone else on our behalf where we can't see it doesn't make it any less barbaric.  it just makes it more expensive and less effective.



So, embrace that barbarism because it's cheaper?

better cheaper barbarism than more expensive barbarism.

You're a special case, Babylon.  You are offensive even when you don't post.

Merely by being alive, you make everyone just a little more miserable

-Dok Howl

Salty

So long as the lesser of the two evils gratifies your personal tastes. Sure. Whatever.

Much better.
The world is a car and you're the crash test dummy.

Don Coyote

Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 19, 2011, 01:25:28 AM
Quote from: Alty on June 19, 2011, 01:02:40 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 19, 2011, 12:49:34 AM

Alty, just because the barbarism is instiutionalized and corporatized and handled by someone else on our behalf where we can't see it doesn't make it any less barbaric.  it just makes it more expensive and less effective.



So, embrace that barbarism because it's cheaper?

better cheaper barbarism that I can beat off to than more expensive barbarism.



fixt

CorbeauEtRenard

Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 19, 2011, 12:49:34 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 18, 2011, 11:06:23 PM
BH...wow.  Prison's not there for you to FEEL anything but "hey that guy or gal's getting his punishment for doing something very very bad."  Feeling "fuck yeah, GITTIN' ME SOME JUSTICE!" is NOT a platform for changing the system for the better. Beating people is not better than locking them up.  Period.

...I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp...

It costs less, it doesn't rob criminals of years of their life, it doesn't train them to be better criminals, and it gives the victim a more visceral immediate feeling of revenge.  How is it not better than prison?

I haven't seen any arguements for prison here yet, just ones against beating.

As bad as prison is as an option, it at least has the benefit of separating habitual criminals from most of the pool of potential victims at least temporarily.
Yeah, it causes problems in the process of even doing that, but it does take away most of the opportunity for them to victimize innocent members of society further at least to a point.

Knocking the shit out of them and then cutting them loose puts them right back in the pool of victims, only more disgruntled and angry at the world than before. I mean, sure, fear might make them hold back temporarily, but I could talk for days about how fear is probably the least reliable behavioral control method available.

So between doesn't help but keeps them away from victims for a while and doesn't help but makes the previous victim feel lizard-brain fulfilled-retribution emotions, I'd definitely prefer we go with the former, even though I enjoy those lizard-brain emotions as much as the next guy.
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BadBeast

All very insightful thoughts, from a bunch of people, who as far as I can tell, have never been to Prison. Go and do a stretch inside, even a short one, then come back and read your 'insights' again. Until you have, then all your opinions on the subject are flawed.
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