Quick question for RAW fans

[Epimetheus]

How is "sombunall" more effective than "some?"

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I'm not a fan, so I should probably shut up. However, my answer is that it's a fucking stupid word, because "some" ALREADY MEANS SOME BUT NOT ALL. Because "All" would be the word that means "all".

[BadBeast]

Isn't "sombunall" a sleeping tablet?   Iif not, it should be.

(And 'some' is still more effective than nut-nataw)

[LMNO]

You REALLY want to know why?

Same reason anything fails when you depend on rational people acting rationally.

BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF MOUTH BREATHING FUCKOS (READ AS: THE ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET) NEED TO BE HANDHELD FROM ONE COGNITIVE STEP TO THE OTHER. MONKEYS CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "SOME" AND "ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO MATTER", SO YOU HAVE TO SLAP THEM IN THE FACE WITH IT.

[Telarus]

You REALLY want to know why?

Same reason anything fails when you depend on rational people acting rationally.

BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF MOUTH BREATHING FUCKOS (READ AS: THE ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET) NEED TO BE HANDHELD FROM ONE COGNITIVE STEP TO THE OTHER. MONKEYS CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "SOME" AND "ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO MATTER", SO YOU HAVE TO SLAP THEM IN THE FACE WITH IT.

Pretty much this, yeah. I agree with Nigel that it's a gimmicky meme, but it was one prong of RAW's insistence on realizing that the world you interact with gets mediated by the model of it which you're carrying around in your head. In order to clarify data, you need to be able to distinguish between the part of the model based on reference, and the parts which have been extrapolated/fabricated.

"The sky is blue" -> Some, but not all skies are blue  -> I perceive the sky as blue on this planet due to the spectrum of light it reflects back at the surface of this gravity well.

"Why is the sky blue?" is quite literally asking the wrong question as every word except 'Why' (and I'll argue on that one) has screaming hordes of force-fed-meanings and unquestioned-presumptions behind it.

Sombunall wasn't meant to be used, it was meant to be used until you were disgusted with it, at which point you will _never_ forget that some does not include all.

[East Coast Hustle]

Someone should probably send Rat an email about that.

[Cramulus]

Yeah, it's just being a bit more anally precise about the language you use. Which is useful in some situations.

It's kind of like how much drama you avoid if you just preface your controversial opinions with "I think" or "It seems".

like if you walk into a crowd of metal heads and say "Metal sucks", everybody's going to jump to its defense. Even though what you really meant was "I hate metal".



I know this guy who is very very disagreeable, nitpicks every word choice. If you say the word "brotherhood" or "mankind", he simply MUST interrupt you and clarify whether or not you meant to be misogynistic. (he's a math PHD and takes symbols VERY! SERIOUSLY!) So when I hang around him I use as accurate language as possible to avoid getting into stupid diatribes about language.

[Cain]

You should point out to him that "man" historically referred to all humans, and so he is being a retard.

Example:  

1647, Westminster Shorter Catechism, question 10:   How did God create man?

God created man male and female, after his own image, in knowledge, righteousness, and holiness, with dominion over the creatures

[Cramulus]

Noooo I learned my lesson last summer. Not worth taking him to task, it just produces a wall of text, but in realtime.

The dude spent 2 hours lecturing me about how going "on reality safari" is racist because it implies I'm a white guy observing smudgy savages so I can chortle to my friends about how much more civilized I am.

I eventually started trolling the conversation with another Discordian friend, and the dude ended up leaving in a huff. "You guys are just bullshitters, that's all."  

[The Johnny]

You should point out to him that "man" historically referred to all humans, and so he is being a retard.

Example:  

1647, Westminster Shorter Catechism, question 10:   How did God create man?

God created man male and female, after his own image, in knowledge, righteousness, and holiness, with dominion over the creatures

The problem is that "man" historically denoting both genders has an underlying subtext of woman being a sub-derivate of man...

On the other hand, i do find pointing out things like that in a conversation that isnt about gender and sexism the equivalent of sabotage on the subject at hand, like intellectual thread-jacking.

It would be like me saying right now "Cain, why do you hate people with learning-disabilities?"

[East Coast Hustle]

If I were Cain, my answer to that would be: "because they're fucking retarded."

[Triple Zero]

I eventually started trolling the conversation with another Discordian friend, and the dude ended up leaving in a huff. "You guys are just bullshitters, that's all."  

TITCM

discussion's going nowhere, you might as well have some fun!!

[BadBeast]

You should point out to him that "man" historically referred to all humans, and so he is being a retard.

Example: 

1647, Westminster Shorter Catechism, question 10:   How did God create man?

God created man male and female, after his own image, in knowledge, righteousness, and holiness, with dominion over the creatures

The problem is that "man" historically denoting both genders has an underlying subtext of woman being a sub-derivate of man...

On the other hand, i do find pointing out things like that in a conversation that isnt about gender and sexism the equivalent of sabotage on the subject at hand, like intellectual thread-jacking.

It would be like me saying right now "Cain, why do you hate people with learning-disabilities?"

If I were Cain, my answer to that would be: "because they're fucking retarded."

If I were Fuck You One Eye, my answer to that would be "How the fuck should I know? Go and ask Cain"

[Doktor Howl]

How is "sombunall" more effective than "some?"

For the same reason RAH junkies use "grok".

So they can have a hip, insider language.

[Triple Zero]

It would be like me saying right now "Cain, why do you hate people with learning-disabilities?"

If I were Cain, my answer to that would be: "because they're fucking retarded."

If I were Fuck You One Eye, my answer to that would be "How the fuck should I know? Go and ask Cain"

If I were fucking retarded, I'd be all, like, standing there with my mouth half-open and drooling a bit.