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Started by Doktor Howl, August 24, 2011, 01:38:19 AM

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Dysfunctional Cunt

Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 24, 2011, 02:24:23 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 24, 2011, 02:20:00 PM
It's not like one can call GhostBusters.  I mean seriously.  You are supposed to be able to call the local police and feel confident that they will help you.  That they will get the bad guys.  Of course this is all in a perfect world right?

This is a terrible thing that happened to this guy and one would hope that the police's internal affairs department will do something about it.  Problem is I'm not holding my breath on that.  It's a shame that you can't count on the very people who are paid to protect you to actually protect you.

I know this kind of thing happens, and I'm sure it happens more than we ever hear about.  It's hard to accept when you do actually read about it because you don't want things to be this way.  Here in the US (I don't know about other countries) we are taught in elementary school that the police are supposed to be your friend.  Anyone else remember Office Friendly?  It's practically inbred in us.  

Sorry, I'm rambling..... :sad:

Funny thing is, the cops in Tucson are how police were portrayed to us as kids.  Helpful, polite, reasonable.

Except the SWAT team, of course, which is something straight out of Reno 911.  After The Incident, they're not allowed to use their armored car, and after the recent ridiculous shooting, they're all under review to see if we even NEED a SWAT team.

The street cops you meet here in StL are actually quite nice and polite as well.  I've never been fortunate (or should I say unfortunate) enough that I've never met a St. Louis SWAT team, but I can only imagine.

The Incident?  Dare I ask?

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Khara on August 24, 2011, 02:28:54 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 24, 2011, 02:24:23 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 24, 2011, 02:20:00 PM
It's not like one can call GhostBusters.  I mean seriously.  You are supposed to be able to call the local police and feel confident that they will help you.  That they will get the bad guys.  Of course this is all in a perfect world right?

This is a terrible thing that happened to this guy and one would hope that the police's internal affairs department will do something about it.  Problem is I'm not holding my breath on that.  It's a shame that you can't count on the very people who are paid to protect you to actually protect you.

I know this kind of thing happens, and I'm sure it happens more than we ever hear about.  It's hard to accept when you do actually read about it because you don't want things to be this way.  Here in the US (I don't know about other countries) we are taught in elementary school that the police are supposed to be your friend.  Anyone else remember Office Friendly?  It's practically inbred in us.  

Sorry, I'm rambling..... :sad:

Funny thing is, the cops in Tucson are how police were portrayed to us as kids.  Helpful, polite, reasonable.

Except the SWAT team, of course, which is something straight out of Reno 911.  After The Incident, they're not allowed to use their armored car, and after the recent ridiculous shooting, they're all under review to see if we even NEED a SWAT team.

The street cops you meet here in StL are actually quite nice and polite as well.  I've never been fortunate (or should I say unfortunate) enough that I've never met a St. Louis SWAT team, but I can only imagine.

The Incident?  Dare I ask?

They got a brand new M113 armored personnel carrier, painted it all black & white, etc.

FIRST call out, they go to a warrant on 6th street, to bust open a meth lab.  Problem:  They read the warrant as 6th AVENUE, and backed the armored car through the front wall of the house, and dropped the ramp...Only to be confronted with a woman in her 80s doing a crossword puzzle.

The lady got PAID, and the mayor took away their toy.

Just another day in side effect city.
Molon Lube

Adios

Good thing she wasn't armed with a # 2 pencil.

Dysfunctional Cunt


Cain

I would trust my local police with everything except the petty cash.  But then, I know them on a fairly personal level.  In any other part of the country, I'd be very wary of calling the police for exactly this kind of thing.  All you need to do is be a little too insistent, a little too annoying on a bad day and "bam", it's trumped up charges and lots of falling down the stairs on the way to your cell.  If there are no stairs, some will be arranged.

P3nT4gR4m

First time I got hit by a copper I was about 12. Asked me my name a second time and I made the mistake of reminding him I'd just told him. In the back of the car, elbow in the solar plexus, winded me. He was trying to teach me a lesson. I learned one. All coppers are bastards but if you're nice as pie to them they tend not to be such cunts about it. Mouthing off to the scum in front of your mates might be de-rigueur but it aint the way the cool kids stay off the radar. Explaining that you know your rights is good up to a point but don't fall into the trap of expecting not to get wrapped up in a mattress and kicked the shit out of because what'll happen is you'll end up wrapped in a mattress getting the shit kicked out of you.


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Cain

The amusing thing about most kids who claim to know their rights is that they are quoting directly from Law and Order or CSI: Miami.  They have jurisdictional confusion.

And then the police laugh at them and whack them around the legs with a truncheon until they fall down, kick them in the head a few times and arrest them anyway.

Dysfunctional Cunt

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 24, 2011, 03:57:00 PM
First time I got hit by a copper I was about 12. Asked me my name a second time and I made the mistake of reminding him I'd just told him. In the back of the car, elbow in the solar plexus, winded me. He was trying to teach me a lesson. I learned one. All coppers are bastards but if you're nice as pie to them they tend not to be such cunts about it. Mouthing off to the scum in front of your mates might be de-rigueur but it aint the way the cool kids stay off the radar. Explaining that you know your rights is good up to a point but don't fall into the trap of expecting not to get wrapped up in a mattress and kicked the shit out of because what'll happen is you'll end up wrapped in a mattress getting the shit kicked out of you.



What did your parents do?  I would be livid if a cop hit my kid. 

P3nT4gR4m

LOL - never told my dad. He was dead against me smoking weed back then.

Quote from: Cain on August 24, 2011, 03:59:34 PM
The amusing thing about most kids who claim to know their rights is that they are quoting directly from Law and Order or CSI: Miami.  They have jurisdictional confusion.

And then the police laugh at them and whack them around the legs with a truncheon until they fall down, kick them in the head a few times and arrest them anyway.

There's only one right that matters - the right to kyfms. It's the one they'll do their damndest to convince you isn't a good idea and it's the quickest way out of jail if you can convince them you intend to exercise it.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
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Adios

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 24, 2011, 04:05:53 PM
LOL - never told my dad. He was dead against me smoking weed back then.

Quote from: Cain on August 24, 2011, 03:59:34 PM
The amusing thing about most kids who claim to know their rights is that they are quoting directly from Law and Order or CSI: Miami.  They have jurisdictional confusion.

And then the police laugh at them and whack them around the legs with a truncheon until they fall down, kick them in the head a few times and arrest them anyway.

There's only one right that matters - the right to kyfms. It's the one they'll do their damndest to convince you isn't a good idea and it's the quickest way out of jail if you can convince them you intend to exercise it.

"I had the right to remain silent...but I didn't have the ability."
Ron White

Cain

In other police related news today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14651735

QuoteThe police complaints watchdog has partially upheld a complaint from a man dragged along a road after he was removed from his wheelchair.

Jody McIntyre had been taking part in London's student fees protests in December 2010.

The watchdog said Mr McIntyre might have been assaulted - but the time limit for a prosecution had passed.

Scotland Yard earlier said officers had been right to move Mr McIntyre, based on the "perceived risk" to him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-14645080

QuoteA man from Greater Manchester who stabbed himself and was then Tasered by police has died.

Officers were called to Salford Road in Over Hulton, Bolton, on Tuesday evening to reports that a man had barricaded himself inside his home.

They broke into the house and were threatened by the man, who had stab wounds to his stomach, a police spokesman said.

The 53-year-old was taken to hospital but died shortly afterwards.

A post-mortem investigation is due to be carried out later.

Greater Manchester Police's professional standards branch is investigating and the force is due to make a referral to the Independent Police Complaints Commission later.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-14632804

QuotePolice in Reading have denied claims they "suppressed information" about a looting to prevent copycat behaviour.

A BBC investigation revealed Thames Valley Police came under pressure from community groups not to reveal examples of serious disorder.

About 40 people raided a cash and carry store early on 9 August, but the following day police described it as a burglary with four arrests.

Police said: "There was no sense of information being restricted."

Eleven people, aged between 16 and 39, have now been charged with burglary and violent disorder following the incident at the Makro store in Elgar Road South, during which £15,000 worth of goods were stolen.

The incident has been linked to the riots around England.

BBC reporter Ben Moore said: "The police had used Twitter to update the public and press overnight and there was no inclination of the scale of what had happened in Reading."

He added that his investigation revealed local groups had met with Thames Valley Police and asked them to play down any incidents of serious disorder.

Reading East MP Rob Wilson said: "I think police were under quite a bit of pressure from local organisations worried about public services if copycat events were going to take place."

He added: "I think the police were extremely worried about giving it too much publicity and over-hyping it, and I think that was quite a sensible approach to the matter."

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/9213423.BREAKING_NEWS__IPPC_slams_police_force_over_Facebook_murderer/?ref=rss

QuoteA DAMNING report has found the Merseyside Police unit responsible for monitoring sex offender Peter Chapman, who raped and killed Darlington teenager Ashleigh Hall, was badly managed, undertrained, and seriously understaffed.

Seventeen-year-old Ashleigh was groomed online by Chapman, who posed as a 19-year-old youth on Facebook.

He raped and murdered the teenager in October 2009, after she went to meet him.

Chapman, 33, was jailed for 35 years in March last year.

After her death it emerged that Chapman was a convicted sex offender and was meant to be being monitored by Merseyside Police.

However officers knew he was missing from his registered address for nine months before they issued a nation-wide alert in September 2009.

Chapman was arrested the following month, but by then it was too late - he had killed Ashleigh the previous day.

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Residents-burglary-wake-calls-police-early-hours/story-13191303-detail/story.html

QuoteRESIDENTS will be woken up by police in the dead of night to stop their homes being burgled.

Officers will call at homes with open doors and windows throughout the night and early morning to tackle the increasing number of sneak-in burglaries.

Knocks on doors will be accompanied by sharp reminders that thieves could target their homes while they're asleep in bed.

A third of all burglaries in East Yorkshire take place after a burglar breaks in through an open door or window.

Police admitted some residents may not appreciate being woken up, but say preventing opportunistic burglaries is their aim.

Anna Mae Bollocks

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BadBeast

#27
I think the American model of Policing, is a lot more 'user friendly' than the British one.
At least your Police are the same species as you. Our's seem to be genetically incapable
of inspiring trust or confidence in those they are supposed to serve. Any accountability
is kept 'In House' because they barely trust each other, let alone the public.
Everybody instinctively mistrusts the Police.
And every Policeman hears nothing but lies.

"Have you got anything you shouldn't have in your pockets?" They always ask, before searching anyone
in the street. Well, what kind of fucking question is that?
If you reply  "No, Constable, I honestly haven't got anything that you need to concern yourself with",
Their response is to search you anyway, just to be sure.

If you say "Actually, yes", then put your hand in your pocket to pull out the couple of spliffs worth of Hash you happen to be carrying, they get nervous, and tell you to "Keep your hands where I can see them! Put them on the roof of the car . .  NOW!"
Then they put their latex gloves on, and carefully empty all of your pockets, and pat you down. When they find the hash, they go into justification mode. "And is this for your own use Sir?"  

You say "Yes" but you both know that even if it wasn't, and it was a couple of ounces, instead of a gram, you would still be saying yes.  
In this way, they mouth words at you, pretending to be questioning you, but their words are like the cut scenes in a computer game. They already know they won't be taking a word you say seriously.

If you jokingly reply, "Oh, just the usual class A drugs, and some bomb making equipment" he will cuff you, arrest you, and
continue this down at the station. If you try to dissuade him, he will pepper spray  you, or get his taser out, and tell you to "GET IN THE CAR".
Now the cuffs are on, any resistance will now be met with physical violence. And if your temperament is not conducive to restraint, or bullying, he will call up his mates, and they will pile on top of you, six at a time, while shouting "CALM DOWN SIR, STOP STRUGGLING,. . .  LIE STILL!"
Then try to persuade you to calm down, and put their boots on your neck. to sooth you.
I must have some kind of fucked up process, because every single time they have done that to me, it has the absolute opposite effect.I
I'd fight like a coked up Gypsy, every time. But that just tended to end up the same way. But with varying levels of pain. (Mine, mostly)

It was almost as if they were trying to engineer that particular response in me. Just so they could get the "Submit utterly to us" bit out of the way.

"We can do this the easy way, or we can do it the hard way". I would always reply, "Let's do it the fucking hard way then,".
Not because I had any pretensions of winning, (I might be bolshy, but I'm not fucking stupid)  but just so they might learn that not everyone
responds well to bullying tactics.

Nowadays they tell people  to stop swearing. "IF YOU SWEAR AGAIN SIR, YOU'LL BE UNDER ARREST"
If they say that to me, I just reach for their car door's handle, saying "Let's fucking go then, because I'm going to swear like an absolute motherfuckerI" Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. But that is just baiting people, trying to get a response they can deal with, using their "speshul restaynt treynign" Nowadays, I avoid the cunts like Typhoid Mary. I've fought them, and lost time after time, for 25 years. I'm done getting my head split, or my ribs cracked or my nose splatted by those bastards, over fuck all. Stop swearing?  Fuck them. If they really were offended by bad language, then they're in the Wrong. Fucking. Job.  

Don't get me wrong, some of my best friends are in the wrong fucking job too, but they don't act like a bunch of cunts about it, . . . .
My point was, that our Police deliberately engineer a level of tension, suspicion, and hatred in our more volatile communities, just so they can respond to any dissent in as disproportionately robust a way as they like.

ETA; FTR, I may have been in a lot of trouble with the Police in the past, but I never did anything I feel ashamed of. I never hurt anyone. That I wasn't actually in a fight with at the time. I never robbed people. Or mugged them. Or took anything that belonged to a person. (rather than a shop, or a Company) Or just plain left lying around looking ownerless. I never sold drugs to children. Or anyone that I didn't know. I stole stuff, that wasn't anybodies in particular, like copper cable from derelict buildings, demolition sites,  electricity pylons, stuff like that.  And mostly just for shits and giggles. Not to pay for some kind of criminal lifestyle, or drugs, or to order.  I never felt that what I was doing was particularly heinous, just illegal. And on reflection, and with hindsight, I still don't ever remember being a bad man. And I know why too. Because I never was. I was just a bit of a handful, a nuisance at worst. . . . .

*Shut up BB, no-one's bothered anyway* 
Kay, I'm done.
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Dysfunctional Cunt

jesus that is as bad as here......  and we have a murder a day.  :sad:

P3nT4gR4m

I gave up fighting the bastards pretty early on. I was never much of an idealist and I was much more interested in getting away with breaking laws than I was in asserting any imagined entitlement to liberty. Coppers paying attention to me was bad for business and they pay a truckload of attention to "troublemakers"


I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
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Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark