Just Joking.

[Disco Pickle]

Only by enslaving ourselves can we create what we need to survive.  

What a racket.

Enslaving ourselves?

Money as Debt.

[Doktor Howl]

Only by enslaving ourselves can we create what we need to survive.  

What a racket.

Enslaving ourselves?

Money as Debt.

Money is just a method of counting, DP.  The debt comes from people wanting to use the counting system to buy loads of unnecessary shit, like aircraft carriers and patriotic little wars over basically nothing.

[Scribbly]

I was working on another post, but... I can't work out multi-quotes, because I am dumb, and now I'm curious about this:

Money is just a method of counting, DP.  The debt comes from people wanting to use the counting system to buy loads of unnecessary shit, like aircraft carriers and patriotic little wars over basically nothing.

Could you explain this?

If the systems of production are fundamentally sound, why is it necessary to introduce a counting system into the equation? I feel like I'm missing a piece of the puzzle, here.

[Doktor Howl]

I was working on another post, but... I can't work out multi-quotes, because I am dumb, and now I'm curious about this:

Money is just a method of counting, DP.  The debt comes from people wanting to use the counting system to buy loads of unnecessary shit, like aircraft carriers and patriotic little wars over basically nothing.

Could you explain this?

If the systems of production are fundamentally sound, why is it necessary to introduce a counting system into the equation? I feel like I'm missing a piece of the puzzle, here.

Because we are primates, and money is the counting system that tells us which bananas we personally own.  We are unable to function without this, for the same reason Chimpanzee packs are unable to function without territory.

[BadBeast]

I have a theory that this was partly why the Roman Empire collapsed. Because you just can't do Arithmetic in Roman numerals. They  couldn't make sheets of paper big enough to work it all out on.

[Triple Zero]

... one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs.

-- Robert Firth

[BadBeast]

Damn that Robert Firth! Stealing my theory, and calling it his own!

We also had no zero, for centuries after that. And now you have three of your very own!

[Disco Pickle]

Damn that Robert Firth! Stealing my theory, and calling it his own!

We also had no zero, for centuries after that. And now you have three of your very own!

That's just the illusion of more zeros caused by inflation. 

[BadBeast]

Ah, I see.  Sneaky. 3x0=0 kinda thing?

[Scribbly]

As an aside, the biggest hope I have that there might be change was in the riots.

It proves that there is a point where people who have nothing, no reason to trust in the system, will turn against it given the first sign of an opportunity.

That sort of thing forces people who do have something to lose to sit up and listen.

It looks like the government are going to royally fuck up even trying to address the underlying causes, which means that the next time it happens, it'll probably be bigger. I suspect that we're going to see a lot of authoritarian attempts to clamp down, and as more people suffer for it, more violence, which will lead to more jackbooting...

It is probably hopelessly optimistic to believe that anything good might come out of it, but I can dream. The trouble is, the media is determined to portray the rioters as purely thugs and criminals, without spending much time trying to communicate to people why these individuals are thugs and criminals. I hope that eventually, there'll come a point where people start to ask that question. I'm not holding my breath.

[BadBeast]

30 years ago, when Charles and Diana got married, there were riots. This year when William and wossname got married, there were riots.
Solution? Easy. Ban Royal weddings. Job done, innit?

[Doktor Howl]

30 years ago, when Charles and Diana got married, there were riots. This year when William and wossname got married, there were riots.
Solution? Easy. Ban Royal weddings. Job done, innit?

Or have more of them.

[BadBeast]

30 years ago, when Charles and Diana got married, there were riots. This year when William and wossname got married, there were riots.
Solution? Easy. Ban Royal weddings. Job done, innit?

Or have more of them.

I'm easy, either way. I'm quite conducive to the idea of a well organised riot. (Not like the shambles we've just had) I'd prefer not to encourage those fucking Windsors to breed anymore though. That really does send out the wrong signals. 

[Doktor Howl]

30 years ago, when Charles and Diana got married, there were riots. This year when William and wossname got married, there were riots.
Solution? Easy. Ban Royal weddings. Job done, innit?

Or have more of them.

I'm easy, either way. I'm quite conducive to the idea of a well organised riot. (Not like the shambles we've just had) I'd prefer not to encourage those fucking Windsors to breed anymore though. That really does send out the wrong signals. 

Balls.  Your nation has been in decline ever since you allowed your chinless ear waggers to begin dying off.

[BadBeast]

30 years ago, when Charles and Diana got married, there were riots. This year when William and wossname got married, there were riots.
Solution? Easy. Ban Royal weddings. Job done, innit?

Or have more of them.

I'm easy, either way. I'm quite conducive to the idea of a well organised riot. (Not like the shambles we've just had) I'd prefer not to encourage those fucking Windsors to breed anymore though. That really does send out the wrong signals. 

Balls.  Your nation has been in decline ever since you allowed your chinless ear waggers to begin dying off.

That was because they started hybridising with those fucking Lizards. Incompatible plasm. They used up Princess Margaret in spare parts attempting in vain to keep the poor old Queen Mum alive. Luckily they still have a few of her eggs, being looked after by the Ravens in the Tower, but fuck knows if they're viable. Soon, they'll announce that that new Princess
will be pragnent, and they'll try and hatch one of the fuckers. If it's another monster, they'll let her keep her own baby, and dump the hybrid in Loch Ness. Again.  If it's a successful cross, they'll feed Kate's real baby to it, and raise another Reptoid Prince, like Philip.
#All in all, which is worse? Dynastic Reptoid Royals, or a bit of Rioting? I can't make my mind up.